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Speaker 3: When you got the call that you would be opening

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Speaker 3: The mayor came out and said, love you that you

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Speaker 3: stage in New Orleans. I'm ran an Arroyo. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: from incredible culture makers. Grammy winner Lauren dagel is coming

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Speaker 3: do it. Lauren Daegel is performing at the super Bowl

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Speaker 3: I discovered not only a soulful, spirit filled powerhouse of

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Speaker 3: Lauren Daegel is an award winning, multi platinum selling artist

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Speaker 3: we talked about it all in New Orleans. As you

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Speaker 2: The same when I met you. I was like, oh

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Speaker 3: Tell me why your mom called your house the music

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Speaker 1: So when I was a little girl, I did not

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Speaker 2: We're all Vina interviewed. I'm like, are you fair? It

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Speaker 1: And that label was I was so green, Like I'm

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Speaker 3: In that two year period.

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Speaker 3: I showed a church to the church choir, Yes.

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Speaker 3: But I fold the hunger and you wanted it so

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love your I love your the

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Speaker 3: You feel you've been given, and how many people waste

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Speaker 3: Who were your major influences when you were a little good.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, they called you the Christian Adele. I

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Speaker 1: I have so much respect for her artistry and her

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Speaker 2: You know it was. And I tell people that to

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Speaker 1: we were doing the These are the Days music videos.

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Speaker 3: Videos which are all shot the warlong, explosive kind of

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Speaker 3: Marty Graw, hilarious, wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Uh I just writed it.

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Speaker 1: To be exuberant. Every everything about that shoot was just

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Speaker 1: so much fun. Hansen Snowblize, they were the ones hand.

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Speaker 3: Out and crawfish beads short, I mean, everybody and their

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Speaker 3: dogs in this thing. I was waiting for Al Hurt

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Speaker 3: and he Fountain to rise from the green to come

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Speaker 3: back and play back up for you.

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Speaker 2: That would be very space. But yeah.

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Speaker 1: So afterwards, Troy Trombone Shorty, he puts his arm around

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Speaker 1: me and he says, you have a brother here, like

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Speaker 1: and we had worked together coultiple times prior to that,

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Speaker 1: but just knowing that he was basically accepting me into

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Speaker 1: the fold.

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Speaker 2: New Orleans is thick. Okay, they are not messing around.

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Speaker 1: They have their people, have their place here, they have

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Speaker 1: their clicks, they have their people. And so for him

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Speaker 1: to do that and say, you know, hey, I'm a

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Speaker 1: brother here. I'm someone that is for you in this city.

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Speaker 1: That meant the world to me. And then you see

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Speaker 1: these moments where it is true. He told me, he

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Speaker 1: said I wanted to play America the Beautiful and I

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Speaker 1: was like, who can I get to sing this? And

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Speaker 1: he said, you were the first person that came to mind.

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Speaker 1: You know, those are the moments that I'm like this

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Speaker 1: this became even more special because.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure playing it together? Yes, yes, what do you want?

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Speaker 3: First of all, what does that song mean to you?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well I remember, So this is this

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Speaker 1: is what I really did. When I got the phone call,

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Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow, and what any dreamer artist does?

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Speaker 1: I am a full blown dreamer. I hang up the phone.

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Speaker 1: I said, yes, mister, I will take the offer. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, mister Boatman hang up the phone.

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Speaker 2: And I go, oh beautiful, and I immediately start practicing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, let's see where does this How does

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Speaker 2: it feel the most human in my voice?

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Speaker 1: How does it Where will it cut through to this generation,

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Speaker 1: the age that we are living in right now, the

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Speaker 1: political climate that we're living in right now. How can

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Speaker 1: I use this song to cut through to people who

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Speaker 1: might be jaded toward our country or might not love

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Speaker 1: what we have in this country or what we've built

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Speaker 1: in this country. You know, how can I use this

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Speaker 1: song and the line? And I'm not trying to sound

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Speaker 1: cliche at all, because I know, hello Christian or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But when it says God shed his grace on me,

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Speaker 1: that line, it just really gripped me to the core

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Speaker 1: in a way. I Mean, I've sang songs all over

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Speaker 1: talking about God, right, but when you see a song

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Speaker 1: that is meant for something else and it still includes

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Speaker 1: the power of God in it, that to me is

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Speaker 1: it's meant to honor our nation and show.

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Speaker 2: The beauty of our nation. Right.

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Speaker 1: But they also know while God has done something for

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Speaker 1: this nation. There's something unique about this and that to

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Speaker 1: be able to sing that song with a true conviction

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Speaker 1: versus just oh yeah, I'm just gonna jump up on

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Speaker 1: stage and have this opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, a woman, Catherine Lee Bates wrote the lyrics,

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Speaker 3: but the music was written by a choir master at

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Speaker 3: a church, Samuel Reward. So when I heard you were singing,

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Speaker 3: I thought, wow, this is kind of this song coming home. Wow,

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Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of artists sing this, but because

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Speaker 3: of your particular background, I thought this song is going

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Speaker 3: to live in you when you sing this.

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Speaker 2: That's how because of the root, that's how it feels.

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Speaker 1: And the arrangement is so honoring to New Orleans and Troy. Really,

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Speaker 1: he and his crew came up with this arrangement. I

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Speaker 1: was out of town so I couldn't be in the studio,

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Speaker 1: and he sent it to me and he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to give a hat tip to New Orleans

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Speaker 1: because we're here, but I also know you're from Lafayette,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to give a hat tip to Lafayette.

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Speaker 1: So he came up with this arrangement that rhythmically suits

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Speaker 1: both places. That is so Not only are the lyrics

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Speaker 1: in the potency of it coming from that church background

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Speaker 1: right that I feel like I will be able to

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Speaker 1: sing with my heart and soul, but it also represents Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: which is just it's so pure, like it's authentic.

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Speaker 2: That's the best thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just saw you a few weeks ago in Washington,

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Speaker 3: and Washington be a rough crowd. That's probably the hardest

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Speaker 3: audience ever because they're only worried about themselves and their

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Speaker 3: own power, and I think any performer getting up in

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Speaker 3: front of them, it's so hard. You brought such grace

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Speaker 3: and soul to the offering. I thought, wow. And people

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Speaker 3: were out of their chairs. This was a dinner yes,

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Speaker 3: and people normally would sit and watch from afar. They

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Speaker 3: crowded around around the daist. I mean, it was really

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Speaker 3: something to watch. I always watch audiences. You always can

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Speaker 3: tell from the audience what's really happening. Yes, And they

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Speaker 3: rose up and as you started singing, these people started

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Speaker 3: moving closer. An active friend of mine was next to

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Speaker 3: me and said, this girl's got sold of course, she's

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Speaker 3: got solid from New Orleans, Louisiana. She's got plenty of soul.

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Speaker 3: Tell me take some back to twenty twenty. You were

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Speaker 3: riding your bike here in New Orleans and this is

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Speaker 3: during COVID. Everything's locked down, you can't go outside. You

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Speaker 3: can go outside, but you're not supposed to congregate. And

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Speaker 3: there was a group of Christians praying and you're just

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Speaker 3: biking by what happened.

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Speaker 2: So I was on my bike. I knew Sean.

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Speaker 1: He had told me I'm going to be in town.

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Speaker 1: I'm singing at this event, and that I found out prior.

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Speaker 2: That it was.

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Speaker 1: Approved, Like he got permits and everything, right, so it

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Speaker 1: was approved by the government here, but you're outside, but

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Speaker 1: I'm outside.

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Speaker 2: And two weeks later there was a convention, so I

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Speaker 2: think it's all right.

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Speaker 1: And so I was riding my bike and I get

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Speaker 1: a text from him and he says, don't make me

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Speaker 1: call you up on stage from the from the microphone,

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Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'll make my way up there,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I walk up and he was like,

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Speaker 2: where's your in Ears? I was like, in Eres? I

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Speaker 2: was clan on what And so I'm just I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm my bike is right here. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 2: out coming see you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on and and he was like, just

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Speaker 1: jump on stage, and I said, okay, great. So I

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Speaker 1: jumped on stage and there was so much there were

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Speaker 1: so many police and they had barricades and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So clearly this is okay. That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought. Clearly, this is okay. And honestly though,

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Speaker 1: it was such a moment to look out. This is

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Speaker 1: the reality, regardless of what media and anybody wants to say,

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Speaker 1: to look out and see so many people that were

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Speaker 1: truly desperate, like actually desperate people staying in their homes

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Speaker 1: for so long. Finally the city has started to open, and.

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Speaker 3: But they're praying in public.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like a negatative.

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Speaker 3: In public, which is a constitutional right. The last time

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Speaker 3: I checked.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 3: Public assembly and prayer. Yes, the praise of God is

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Speaker 3: allowed under the constitution, no matter what. Yes, the mayor

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Speaker 3: came out and said love you in public, that you

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Speaker 3: placed residents in danger, and then she urged Dick Clark productions,

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Speaker 3: you were supposed to sing at the rock and New

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Speaker 3: Year's Eve celebration from New Orleans. Now that helps put

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Speaker 3: everything in context, because two weeks later they were having

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Speaker 3: a Rock in New Year's Eve celebration in New Orleans. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: she basically wanted to put you in time out for

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Speaker 3: daring to pray in public two weeks early. Yes, what

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Speaker 3: did you think at that time? They bumped you off

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Speaker 3: the roster even you weren't invited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was definitely not invited.

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Speaker 1: And I think from that letter too, she quoted she's

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Speaker 1: a weapon to society.

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Speaker 2: That was another bit of the vernacular, and I was like, wow.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it could be that powerful. I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh wow, but you know, truth be told the day,

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Speaker 2: so I when I saw that come out, I was shocked.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I was like, wait, you proved of

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Speaker 2: all of this. You know what.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of strange. And I went home to

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Speaker 1: Lafayette and I got in my parents' bed and I

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Speaker 1: pulled the covers over my head.

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Speaker 2: As an adult, I was like, oh gosh, here we

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Speaker 2: are again.

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Speaker 1: Because there's no amount of public ridicule that is fun,

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Speaker 1: even if it helps your ratings help them.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not fun. It isn't. But I learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much through that experience and learn What

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Speaker 1: I learned is that when people need an element of hope.

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Speaker 1: Coming together is one of the most beautiful things. It

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Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible rights that we have

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Speaker 1: in this country. It is, and I think to take

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Speaker 1: that away from people is so disheartening, especially in a

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Speaker 1: time like that.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel vindicated. Do you think it's God's hand

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Speaker 3: that all these years later, yes, five years later, you're

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Speaker 3: on the biggest stage in New Orleans, Yes, representing the

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Speaker 3: city or state.

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Speaker 2: It was powerful to see all of the people that

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Speaker 2: came around me during that time. I'll say there were

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Speaker 2: you or one of them, the.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General's office, the Lieutenant Governor's office, so many people.

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Speaker 2: Came around and said, hey, this is wrong. What you

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Speaker 2: are doing is wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I remember my lawyer and my team saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: you just watch what happens.

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Speaker 2: You should probably keep your mouth shut, because I was like, what,

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Speaker 2: this is a lie. Everything she's seen is wrong, you know,

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Speaker 2: And they were like, we advise you just trust the process,

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Speaker 2: just trust how this unfold.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that there were going to be

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Speaker 1: people that stood up for me, so then to see

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Speaker 1: that happen and all, and I just want to thank

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Speaker 1: those people.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank the people that came in, because

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Speaker 1: that was one of the greatest lessons to talk about

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Speaker 1: being taught something was you. There's this person. I think

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Speaker 1: it's an Exodus fourteen fourteen. It says you need to

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Speaker 1: be still. God will fight for you. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of times I want to defend myself. I got that

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Speaker 1: spicy cage inside. Don't let me, don't let me let

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Speaker 1: me anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I grew up in a Cajun family

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Speaker 2: and we you know it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, all right, let me let me

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Speaker 1: say exactly what I need saying, and they're like, no, no.

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Speaker 2: No, be still gobblefied for you.

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Speaker 1: And watching the amount of people that came around and

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Speaker 1: offered truth during that time was really it.

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Speaker 2: Was so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So to get this moment years later, I would say

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Speaker 1: for anybody watching that has had their reputation smeared in

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Speaker 1: any sort of way and they are just waiting for

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Speaker 1: the moment of vindication.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it only takes five years. That's not too long.

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Speaker 2: In the same a thing, that's a pretty short window.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty short window, and it's I've had other

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Speaker 1: opportunities even before this. I'm just saying that to give

662
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: people hope. It's not fun to have your name smeared.

663
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: It's not fun to have your reputation smeared. It doesn't

664
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: feel good, but time will Hell.

665
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people knew you were doing this out of

666
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: the goodness of your heart. You were praying with people

667
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: who were suffering. These are your people in your community. Yes,

668
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: And I just thought it was so vindictive for two

669
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: weeks later. Then the mayor shows up with other people

670
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: and they're shaking it now at the moon away from

671
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 3: where we are now, and this is normal. It's not normal,

672
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: but it is beautiful to see this comforull circle through you.

673
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: Thank you kind of like the candle and copy the kid.

674
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah and cool. Lauren Dagile reminds me of another songwriter,

675
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Israel Balin Boy did he suffer and wait until you

676
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: hear how it ends. Israel was born in Siberia. He

677
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: was one of eight kids who migrated with his parents

678
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: from Eastern Europe to New York in eighteen ninety three.

679
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: The Balens lived on the Lower East Side in a tenement.

680
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: His father, Moses, couldn't find work. The only stable job

681
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: the man could maintain was that of a canter, leading

682
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: a choir at a local temple on high holydays, and

683
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: he would often bring his youngest son, Israel, with him.

684
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: Israel had a clear soprano voice, which he soon realized

685
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: he could raise some money with. As a newsboy at

686
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: the ripe age of eight, he made half a cent

687
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: for every paper he sold, but when he sold those

688
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: papers on the street corner while singing, customers would throw

689
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: in an extra penny or two. One day, while selling

690
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: papers near the docks, Izzy was knocked to the water

691
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 3: into the East River by a crane. When they fished

692
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: him out, he was still clutching the five cents he

693
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: made singing and selling papers. By the time he was thirteen,

694
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: his father suddenly died, and Izzy made an important decision.

695
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 3: After dinner one night, he packed up and, not wanting

696
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: to be a burden, left his mother and sisters to

697
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 3: make his own way in the world all alone. Israel

698
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: Balin had the sun in the morning and the moon

699
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: at night. If not a home, but he had his

700
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: wits and his voice. Wait until you hear how it ends.

701
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: Now back to how it ends. Israel Balein, the boys singer.

702
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: He was thirteen years old and fatherless when he left

703
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 3: home and went to make his way in the world.

704
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: He started working the Bowery in New York, singing in

705
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: saloons high class joints like the Bucket of Blood or

706
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: the Morgue. To entertain the barflies, he would improvise his

707
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: own off color lyrics to popular tunes of the day,

708
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: putting a funny or randy spin on them for laughs.

709
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: In those barrooms he learned how to sell a song

710
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: and what made patrons laugh or cry. In time, he

711
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: became a singing waiter at a place called the Pelham Cafe.

712
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: It was there that he taught himself how to play piano.

713
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: That we played mostly the black keys, so throughout his

714
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 3: life is he only composed in the key of F sharp.

715
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: Using this method, he sort of did what came naturally

716
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: and wrote his first song, a not especially great Italian

717
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: it diddy. It was called Marie from Sunny Italy, Israel.

718
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: Balin was twenty one and though no one recalls that song,

719
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: when The Sheep Music came out, like his lyrics, is

720
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: he put a spin on his own name as well.

721
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: The sheep Music read lyrics by Irving Berlin. Berlin would

722
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: go on to write some of the best known songs

723
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: of the twentieth century. God Bless America, Alexander's Ragtime Band,

724
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: White Christmas, White Christmas, I mean my Goodness. And he

725
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: composed a string of Broadway musicals. He even co founded

726
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: his own theater in New York, the Music Box. All

727
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: that from an inventive, hungry boy who sang songs for pennies.

728
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business. Also of Berlin Tune,

729
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: as Izzy's story reveals, struggle can provide its own directional force.

730
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: Now you know how it ends back to Lauren Daegel.

731
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: You said twenty twenty that period you suffered from depression, anxiety,

732
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: panic attacks.

733
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: Yes, why, well that was the kickoff, one of the kickoffs.

734
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 3: Is this in broglio with the mayor?

735
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: It was.

736
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I would say that it changed my project, my understanding

737
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: of safety. When I was just doing some things in

738
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: my mind, so innocent, and you realize, oh wow, there

739
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: are vulturistic motives on every corner.

740
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: You have a name now And I was like, oh gosh,

741
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: I never wanted that to be the case.

742
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, none of us do, none of us do.

743
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: But in that I think that was a large portion.

744
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: I just moved back here from Nashville. I moved here

745
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty, so I'm like, oh gosh, what a

746
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: warm welcome this is.

747
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, welcome home, welcome home. And

748
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, really the true reason for the depression and

749
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: the anxiety was fear, because I was like, the rug

750
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: has been ripped out. We got to live in America

751
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: under this nice glaze for so long, for so long.

752
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: And I don't I'm not trying to get controversial or anything,

753
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: but I think that season was very eye opening. And

754
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: if you were someone who buried your head in the sand,

755
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: all the power to you. I have no I have

756
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: no idea how you were came out of that one.

757
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: But that was not my case. The case for me,

758
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: I would research a lot. I found out it's kind

759
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: of more than you really want, more than I wanted

760
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: to know, Like, oh, I kind of like the idea

761
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: of just living oblivious to some things to keep peace.

762
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: And then you're kind of left with the responsibility of

763
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: the information, Like all of a sudden, now, well, what

764
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: I thought was just to be trusted is really isn't

765
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: to be trusted or the patterns or the system of

766
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: this world. Wow, this is pretty eye opening. You know.

767
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: And I think that for me was the hardest part,

768
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: is reconciling how do I live in a space that

769
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily trust anymore?

770
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: But that experience comes well, thank God, I do.

771
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Yes, great song, oh thank you?

772
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: Did that come from during that period?

773
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

774
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: That was that was kind of the climax of the anxiety,

775
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: if you will.

776
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: I had never experienced I maybe when I.

777
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: Was a kid, like moving to a new school, you know,

778
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: having the butterflies, but not real not debilitating, you know,

779
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and this was kind of new for me. So and

780
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: I definitely don't own like, I don't take ownership of

781
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: it at all. I think it was just a lot

782
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: of circumstance that was happening that instead of turning to faith,

783
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: that turned to oh gosh, how can I control this?

784
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of what anxiety is.

785
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Is realize, oh, I'm colliding with the fact that I

786
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: am out of control.

787
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: I can't control this. And that's where the song came from.

788
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: It was purely out of the experience of saying, thank God,

789
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: I know you because I can't. I can't be the

790
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: one to dictate the next step in front of me.

791
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: M So again, God uses pain and suffering. It's kind

792
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: of an artistic way for Lauren Dakele.

793
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's definitely a theme in my life. Yeah. Yeah.

794
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: Who is referenced in that song.

795
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: God, Yeah, absolutely.

796
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: And there was a really good friend in that time

797
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: that There was one night in particular where.

798
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: I called them and I was like, hey.

799
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know they have a medical background, and I said,

800
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what is happening to me, but I'm

801
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: shaking all over like I was. Now, I know, I

802
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: was having a very severe panic attack, like maybe should

803
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: have gone to the hospital, but I was at a

804
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: family's house in the middle of Nowhere's Louisiana, and I

805
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: was like, the hospital's like two hours away, you know, yeah,

806
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. And he helped me kind of

807
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: like work my breathing into a pattern that I wasn't

808
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: hyperventilating and you know, and that song was written about

809
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: that experience. Truly, that was like the actual moment I

810
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: was like, thank God, God, thank God, I know you,

811
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: and thank God you put people here like this friend

812
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: of mine to get me out of the worst of situations.

813
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: You know.

814
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: That was that was one of the lowest points that

815
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: I'd ever gotten to and to see that there were

816
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: still people that God put in place to pull me

817
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: out was really powerful. Sometimes we feel in those moments

818
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: that we don't have people that can pull us out,

819
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: but He will always put someone.

820
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: It's just as it. Are we going to accept the lifeline?

821
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: What's the lesson there for you? Because obviously it's not

822
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: something you want to go through. None of us want

823
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: with for anxiety and panic and public ostracization and isolation.

824
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: And He'll listen, you don't want to go through all that.

825
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 3: But look at this incredible song that has brought such hope.

826
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: I watch bureaucrats in Washington burst into tears at a

827
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: dinner listening to you sing that song. It's brought a

828
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: lot of hope to people. Yes, what's the lesson?

829
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question.

830
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I think the lesson of pain is that sometimes pain

831
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: is not only for you. That can be really hard

832
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: because it's pain can be very isolating. And I'm not

833
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: even saying this in a savior esque mentality. I'm just

834
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: saying legitimately, I think that's how God operates sometimes, and

835
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: we don't want him to operate that way.

836
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: We want to say God's kind, He doesn't do that.

837
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Yet No, Sometimes there are things that you go through

838
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: to share a greater glory, and that to me, as

839
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: much as it's not fun, it is very rewarding.

840
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: The reward I'm here to add to the suffering make

841
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: up the sufferings of Christ.

842
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so.

843
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: Hard to figure out what maybe we have.

844
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: I know, I really think that's it. Sometimes pain is

845
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: not for yourself, it's for more than yourself.

846
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: How do you write? Where do you write?

847
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so I write. We wrote a lot of that

848
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: last record here in New Orleans. Had I had my

849
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: writing team come down from from uh Tennessee, from Nashville,

850
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: and I said, listen, I want I.

851
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Want y'all to know where I came from.

852
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: And I've made records up here at that point it

853
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: was for nine years or something, and I said, not

854
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: a single one of you know, my hometown.

855
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: Get down here.

856
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Let's see this like or at least the home of Louisiana, right,

857
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: and our personalities in the life and all of the music.

858
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: And so they came down here and it was so

859
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: much fun. The very first night I take them to

860
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Frenchman Street, it starts raining.

861
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: It is like a film. It's my producer actually said,

862
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: is this a movie set? He thought I took them

863
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 2: to a movie set. I said, no, this is Frenchman Street.

864
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: This is Wednesday. Yeah I think it.

865
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: Was a Wednesday. I said, no, this is Wednesday.

866
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: And so we went to Frenchman Street and it starts

867
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: to rain and there's a jazz band busket on the

868
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: street corner, and it was so beautiful. And this car

869
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: drives by very dark tinted windows, and I'm thinking, not the.

870
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: First night, not the first night. Come on and the

871
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: window rolls sounds slow, and instead of what we think

872
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: it could be, yeah, imagine it could be, trumpet pops out,

873
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: plays a solo over the band Bucky, and then drives

874
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: off and that was it. My producer said, Michael was

875
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: on it.

876
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: He said to me, Lauren, that moment changed the trajectory

877
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: of this record. It changed everything for him. And I

878
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: think that's special. When you're creating a record, you want

879
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: people to understand the depths of your soul, the things

880
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: that inspired you, that influenced you, where you're at now.

881
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: It's very important. So where do I write? I've written

882
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: here andville.

883
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: But do you write at home? Do you write write

884
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: at home? You write, I write a coffee shops someway.

885
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: I like the din of voices because it tunes everything out.

886
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: He helps me focus.

887
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: I like that. Oh, I like that a lot. I

888
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: wish I might try that next time.

889
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: You can't. Everybody will come up to you and demand pictures.

890
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: I always get in the corner and put my back

891
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: to the room. It's the only way to roll.

892
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that's awesome.

893
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Majority of my writing is in a writing room or

894
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: in a studio or I have a piano room at

895
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: my house, and so if I'm writing by myself, that's

896
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: where I'll go. But if I'm writing with other people,

897
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: then I'll go to the studio or the writing house.

898
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: Tell me about the Louisiana influence, particularly in this new

899
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: album called appropriately Enough. Lauren Dacer, where'd you get that

900
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: name from? It? Now you come from. But I've always

901
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: thought when people when people come to me and say, oh,

902
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: do you know Lauren Dagam? What do I know Lauren

903
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Dagla Yes, I've got everything you ever recorded. It's belief,

904
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: it's brass, it's blues, it's so yeah, all of that. Yes,

905
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: it's all of that. But this new album is different.

906
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 3: What's different about it.

907
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I really feel like this was the album that

908
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: I came into my own, you know that saying how

909
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: people say that it was because I had to go

910
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: through that adversity I had to experience. It was the

911
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: first step outside of music as I had known it.

912
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I'd worked with the same producers the entirety of my career,

913
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: phenomenal musician, and we had a great time, but I

914
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: knew that it was time for a change, and so

915
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: this was the first record that I did with Mike,

916
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: and it was kind of my first record stepping out

917
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: on my own two feet, so scary, so daunting.

918
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, there.

919
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: It was a season of so much new And after

920
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: two years of writing and working on the record, my

921
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: friend came to me and she said, what are you

922
00:46:59,239 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: going to name the record?

923
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: And I said, I still haven't come up with a

924
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: name yet. She goes, I think I know why. I

925
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: said why. She said, because it should be self titled.

926
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: I said, do you really feel like that?

927
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: She was like, Lauren, the amount of change that you've

928
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: gone through and the amount of believing that you could

929
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: do this, and all of that that this record required,

930
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: in particular, the amount of you having to voice your

931
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: your thoughts on certain like even I remember there was

932
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: this one moment where.

933
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Mike he said, Hey, what what drum pattern do you

934
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: want him to play? We're talking like not I don't

935
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: even know if he was Grammy nominated, but he one

936
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: of the most masterful.

937
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: His name is Nate, one of the most masterful drummers,

938
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: and he's Mike Elizondo, who is the world renowned bass player,

939
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: which for anybody who doesn't know music, bass and drums

940
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: or they hold hands, they are married there.

941
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: They're everything. So Mike, who knows what that drum rhythm

942
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: can be for this particular song, asks me, Hey, what

943
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: do you want them to play on the snare? What

944
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: do you want to play on Tom's?

945
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wow, I have entered that is That's

946
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: the place that you wait for in artistry, where someone

947
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: of that palpable talent like Mike Elizondo is asking me, Hey,

948
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: what would you like you.

949
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: I've read something where you said there were spirit songs

950
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: and there were soul songs. What is the difference?

951
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so the spirit songs.

952
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this at the time, but there all

953
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: of the songs I started noticing were in these two categories.

954
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: But it was from this Bible verse.

955
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: The Word of God is alive and active, sharper than

956
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: any two edges sword sharp enough to cut through bone

957
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: and marrow, soul and spirit. So I said the same thing,

958
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: soul and spirit, Like how are those disconnected? Like what

959
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: is it that makes these two separate? And I, in

960
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: my own understanding of it, the spirit is the place

961
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: that God accesses within you know, you as a human,

962
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: but the soul is kind of the innate part of

963
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: the individual. So for me, it was kind of singing

964
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: to the heart of someone, but also singing through the

965
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: spirit to the spirit of someone. And I say that

966
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: in reference to that Bible versus, but really the soul

967
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: is this the.

968
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: Space that we can access you and me.

969
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: The spirit is the place that God accesses everywhere.

970
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: It's everywhere.

971
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: And so that was kind of the design of how

972
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: to break these songs up, because there's songs about love,

973
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: there's songs about relationship.

974
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: That's the soul. That's the thing that you and I

975
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: can say, oh yeah, I remember that breakup.

976
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,959
Speaker 1: Or oh yeah I remember that, Yes, I remember when.

977
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: And it was the first time that I was really

978
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: showing my fans out side. They had only known this

979
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: one side prior, and it was.

980
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Kind of just like, I'm gonna give you a little.

981
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: Bit more of what's happening in my notebook, just a

982
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: little peak. But I also know what it is that

983
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: makes you come alive as well, and then also with

984
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: the spirit, I don't ever want to make music that

985
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: people don't feel something different. I hear people say, even

986
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: if they don't know who God is, they're like, something

987
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: happens to me when I listen to your music. I

988
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: get goosebumps, I cry. It's different than anything else I

989
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: listen to. And I'm not saying that to not in

990
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: a braggadocious way at all. I'm saying that's the God element.

991
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: That's the part.

992
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: Where He comes and speaks to them in the way

993
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: that I can't.

994
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: You know, that's my spirit.

995
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a thousand Like when I'm writing from these

996
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: two landscapes, Oh yeah, absolutely.

997
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: I know.

998
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: Okay, this one is one that I can feel God

999
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 1: meeting me in, you know. And that's not to say

1000
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: that if you're writing songs about experiences that you go

1001
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: through anything.

1002
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Like that, that it's not God as well.

1003
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: But I do believe that there are things that you

1004
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: can feel.

1005
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: Wow, that touched me in a way that the other

1006
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: song didn't. What is that?

1007
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: There's something because I'm the same individual writing the two songs.

1008
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: And this is so important I see people. Look, I

1009
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: get this in my own life. You know. I write

1010
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: children's books, I do comedy on television, I do serious stuff.

1011
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: But the faithful part of me, I carry the light.

1012
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: Yes, is there all the time, all the time.

1013
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: It's the same. It's the same dynamo driving this thing,

1014
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: no matter what I'm doing. Do you feel that same way?

1015
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: A thousand percent?

1016
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 3: And that's and that people try to put you in

1017
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: a particular box and say, no, this is the only

1018
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: way you can express that light.

1019
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: A thousand percent.

1020
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: Well, I go look at my Instagram comments.

1021
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: That'll tell you everything you need to know.

1022
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: There is so much expectation to represent God only in

1023
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: this one particular way, you know. And in my previous

1024
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: comment about the landscapes of soul and spirit? Do I

1025
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: believe that God can meet My friend grew up. His

1026
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: mom was a bar singer, single mom, and she would

1027
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: sit him on the bar, do her gig till two

1028
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and tell the bars and to hey,

1029
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: you watch him, don't let anything happen.

1030
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: Like a little kid, right. So he would just be

1031
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: sitting there with this cocola, listening to his mom saying

1032
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: fast forward. He's ten years old.

1033
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: He walks into his mom's room and he says, mom,

1034
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: why don't you ever tell me about God?

1035
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: Why didn't you tell me about Jesus? And she said,

1036
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: who told you about that? He said, I don't know.

1037
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: I was just listening to this song Bridge over Troubled Water,

1038
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: and God told me that he's real.

1039
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: I tell those religious.

1040
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: Folks that don't like me singing in different places, it's

1041
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. God will use anything that he wants

1042
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: to meet. He spoke to Paul through a donkey. I'm

1043
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: pretty sure he can use this. I'm pretty sure it's okay.

1044
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: You know Aaron Neville, who was an old pal of mine.

1045
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: We even did a little He would do my Christmas

1046
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: show from time time we sang together, and Aaron would

1047
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: say I said he would be in tipotins and they

1048
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 3: would end the show. He'd get up and sing ave Maria.

1049
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: At the end of the show. Wow, you could hear

1050
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: pin drop in this grungy bar and at one o'clock

1051
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: in the morning, pin drop, and then you could hear

1052
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: people weeping.

1053
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1054
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: And I said, Aaron, what is that? He said, Well,

1055
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: that's a god and me touching the God and them.

1056
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 3: That's that's universal. That cuts through no matter what, no

1057
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: matter what you're expressing, He's either there or he's not there.

1058
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: That's it.

1059
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: That's how I feel. I can hear it, you can

1060
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: feel can feel.

1061
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: It, you can feel it.

1062
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: When that's the thing that becomes non human, that thing

1063
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: there's That's what I mean by I wrote both songs.

1064
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Why is it that one meet someone in such a

1065
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: very dynamic way and the others like, oh yeah, I

1066
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: could just pass on that.

1067
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: Okay. I asked everybody who sits in that chair, these

1068
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: arroyo grande questions, okay, fast questions. I don't want you

1069
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: to think about them, just jumping.

1070
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: We call these rapid fire. We do meet the Q

1071
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: and A every VIP rapid fire and it's Lauren.

1072
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: Don't take long on this, Laurn rapid fire. Who is

1073
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: the person you most admire?

1074
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I would say collectively my family.

1075
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: If that's okay, well you surround yourself with me.

1076
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: I've seen you with man, I love that about That's

1077
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 3: what I think keeps your spirit intact. It is because

1078
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: I've seen you in public settings and on tour. That

1079
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: family is always pretty colol. Yes, yes, who's the person

1080
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: you most despise?

1081
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: That's a tough question. You told me not to dwell

1082
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: on it. I don't have There's like not one person

1083
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: that I can say I despise.

1084
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: That's I could think of one, but I'm not going

1085
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: to bring her up anyway.

1086
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: I would love to have a conversation.

1087
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about that off off camera.

1088
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 3: What what is your best feature?

1089
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Maybe my Oh god, that's tough.

1090
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: I would say, well, I don't know what this one

1091
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: word would be, but my desire to relate to anybody

1092
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: and everybody.

1093
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: What would that?

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Speaker 3: Accessibility?

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Accessibility, empathy, empathy, empathy.

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00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 3: What's your worst feature?

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00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: Empathy?

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00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: Yes? Your favorite book and the last one you read?

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00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Okay, last one I read was called Miracle and Voodoo Mountain.

1100
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: It's about this woman from or from Lafayette moved to Haiti,

1101
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: started this during the earthquake. Incredible story, very simple read,

1102
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: really good Miracle and Voodoo Mountain. It's because I when

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00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: we were at that event, I met one of the

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: lawyers for the Human Trafficking Division of the White House,

1105
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is incredible to see the

1106
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: work that is done. Her story kind of weaves in

1107
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: to that tapestry a little bit.

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: It was really beautiful to me. So I find myself

1109
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: compelled by those stories. And then your question, favorite book, Okay,

1110
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: this is a favorite book for nostalgia's sake, if we

1111
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: can do that where the Red Friend grows.

1112
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because it's the first book

1113
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: I cried to.

1114
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: I remember laying in bed. I would read it every

1115
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: single night with my mom, like we would.

1116
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: Read chapter after I just loved that book as a kid,

1117
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: and I remember looking like reading the book and having

1118
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: to pause for a moment and us looking at each other.

1119
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 2: Tears are coming down.

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: Like way friendship and seeing loss, like real loss for

1121
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 3: what a child can understand.

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00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: Even in that moment, you know it was. It was

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: complex to me, but very.

1124
00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: Soon Lauren Daigel fear, Mmmm, that's a great question.

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a I talked to someone about this recently,

1126
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: the fear of the unknown, and that is.

1127
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: My nemesis.

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: It's the fear of because there's so many things that

1129
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: can fall into that fear, uh, the fear of the unknown.

1130
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 1: Where it once was exhilarating, I think now I look

1131
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: with trepidation, a little bit age.

1132
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: You'll do that to you and responsibilities and your audience.

1133
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: And there's a lot more that walks in the door

1134
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: when you're walking out. Yeah, happened than was before. So

1135
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: that always what's your biggest regret? Do you have one?

1136
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh? Do I have one? Okay, this is not going

1137
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: to be poignant at all. Okay, this is gonna be

1138
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: fear the unknown a little poignant. Great, this is just

1139
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: real life. Chris Stapleton, we're in I Chris, if you listen,

1140
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

1141
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: I remember it was was it right before? It might

1142
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: have been right before twenty twenty hit? And he was

1143
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: playing the Cajun Dome in Louisiana and I went with

1144
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: my sister.

1145
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: We were backstage. I said hello to him, that whole thing,

1146
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, you want to jump up on

1147
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: stage with me? I said, no, what is wrong with me? Why? Raymond?

1148
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: Why in my hometown people.

1149
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 3: That they would win right there? Love? And I said

1150
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: I said no.

1151
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: I said no.

1152
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: And you want to know why this is so silly,

1153
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: I thought, what if he asks me to sing a

1154
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: song of his that I don't know? What if he

1155
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: has a song that I'm like.

1156
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: It's a deep, deep deep and I don't know it.

1157
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's not that's not a bad reason to

1158
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: say no.

1159
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: That it's a terrible reason, because any artist would know

1160
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put a girl on stage he

1161
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: doesn't know the song.

1162
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: You'll probably ask you, do you know if Swanny before?

1163
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1164
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: It reminds me of something else. I'll come back to

1165
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: it in a second. The best piece of advice you

1166
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: ever got.

1167
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I was thinking about it today.

1168
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Someone gave me this advice almost ten years ago, and

1169
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: it's still showing up in.

1170
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: My life ten years later.

1171
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: True freedom is giving people the permission to misunderstand you.

1172
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: True freedom is giving people the permission to misunderstand you.

1173
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: That is the greatest advice, because, let me tell you,

1174
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: when I want to raise my fist, sometimes it's because

1175
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm not operating in true freedom, because I'm being misunderstood,

1176
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: and I'm frustrated that I'm being misunderstood.

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00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: In this last question in the questionnaire, what happens when

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: this is over?

1179
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: When this career is over, when this life is over,

1180
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: and when what part is over, I'll.

1181
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: Let you defer. Oh, that's true freedom. Like that, I'm

1182
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: giving you true freedom. What happens when this is over?

1183
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 3: I think I know what that means, but you may

1184
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: have a different take on it.

1185
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: Okay. My mind went to two places immediately, so I'll

1186
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: just tell you both in Okay, that's okay. First went

1187
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: to Okay, if I get a different career, I am

1188
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: going to the salon after this. Oh my gosh, I don't.

1189
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: I actually haven't an Alcelona poyman.

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: I know I've been talking to people who know you're well,

1191
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: go ahead, Okay, what happens when this is over?

1192
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: I have thought about going to law school, and I'm

1193
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: really I'm really thinking about it, like not sort of

1194
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of like I want to say I'm going to

1195
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: law school. I want to just put that out instead

1196
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: of I think I'm going to law school.

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: Why.

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: I met with some friends of mine, some that are

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Speaker 1: in government, some that are in politics, and various people,

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: and to understand what your platform can do from an

1201
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: actual stack firsthand.

1202
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it is important to me.

1203
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I think I've realized that there's kind of a brick

1204
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 1: wall you can hit even with a platform. And if

1205
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: this is a responsibility, like to be able to open

1206
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: ways for people who need true justice or who need

1207
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: the freedom that we get to walk around with and

1208
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: protecting the freedoms as well, like how do we how

1209
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: do I do that with a voice?

1210
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 3: And you're already doing that a little bit. The Price

1211
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: Fund named after your granddad, Julian Price. Tell me about that.

1212
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: Love him. Yeah, people think it's about the money. No,

1213
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: it's about it's a.

1214
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Family name, my brother and my grandfather. And he was

1215
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: someone I tell people this all the time. He would

1216
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: talk to the President of the United States the same

1217
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: way he talked to the homeless man. We would go

1218
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: to Walmart and he'd be talking to the clerk, just

1219
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: chat and chatting, telling them mainly about the state of

1220
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: the world.

1221
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: He was one of those.

1222
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: But in a way that people loved him. We had

1223
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: people that would come around the table and we called

1224
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: it his coffee crew. And every day at nine am,

1225
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: the coffee crew would show up and they would just

1226
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: talk about current events and what's going on with the world.

1227
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: And I lived with my grandparents for a little while

1228
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: while I was going to LSU and they were. I mean,

1229
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: it was some of the most incredible moments of my life.

1230
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: But I say, I digress. He was one of the

1231
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: figures that taught me the most about legacy because whenever

1232
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: he passed away was when I really found out about

1233
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: ways he was given to people behind the scenes and

1234
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: for the listener, this is not.

1235
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: He was a blue collar worker. He worked. He was

1236
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: a conductor on the railroad and we would go and

1237
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: throw sack lunches to him, you know, and he would

1238
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: do the route from New Orleans to bout Rouge and

1239
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: just an incredible human.

1240
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: But he lived a lot of hardship Boston daughter. He

1241
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: overcame a just a lot, and the person that he

1242
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: became on the other side was the person who I

1243
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I'm so inspired by him. How do

1244
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: we see this version of someone when they're in the

1245
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: worst of times, because sometimes you look at an addict,

1246
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: or you look at it and you can only see that.

1247
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: But he was actually probably to date, the most influential

1248
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: person in my life.

1249
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 3: Now I see him, he's incredible and the fun help

1250
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: help see the elderly children.

1251
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean yeah, or in the widows and all

1252
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: the yeah, because I've I've learned just as I've gone about.

1253
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: I went into some of the prisons here, I went

1254
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: to Angola, I went to San Quentin, Statesville, various prisons

1255
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: around the country, and I would ask a lot of

1256
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: these guys, like, what can we do to help this

1257
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: to break this cycle? But legitimately, yes, through legislature, but

1258
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: what is the core need of an individual that's coming

1259
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: through this kind of track. You know, they call it

1260
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: the public to prison pipeline. I'm sure you're very well familiar.

1261
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: And I just asked them what can we do? And

1262
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: they all said, get involved in after school programs, all

1263
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: of them across the board. They were like, if you

1264
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: get to these kids in an interim period where they're

1265
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: going home from school to their home and their parents

1266
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: aren't there, that's when a lot of the vulnerability. Yeah,

1267
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: that's when it happened. And so I said, Okay, great

1268
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: game on, let's do it. So we've partnered with so

1269
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: many organizations around New Orleans. But then we expanded and

1270
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: now every city that we go on tour with, we

1271
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: partner with a local organization, whether it's instruments, whether it's

1272
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: after school programs, whatever it is to keep these kids

1273
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of fortified through their adolescent years. That's really important

1274
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: to me. And then we built a school in.

1275
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: The Congo with Bob Golf, which was really beautiful.

1276
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: And then we had another opportunity to partner with some

1277
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: senior citizens and the who some have Alzheimer's but it's

1278
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: music with Alzheimer's and kind of getting them financial aid

1279
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: and things like that.

1280
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: Beautiful. Yeah, it's what a year you've had. Super Bowl? Uh,

1281
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: Andrea Blechelli in at Madison Square Gardens. I mean this tour,

1282
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty incredible.

1283
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: It's been a wild time.

1284
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: You said something. You said, the Lord has shown me

1285
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: what it is to have a craft and to serve

1286
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 3: and honor him with it. Do you still feel that way?

1287
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I think that that I might feel that way

1288
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: till I die. It's the live spring, so the wellspring

1289
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: of it all. If you don't have the life blood,

1290
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: if you will, if you don't. The craft part is

1291
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: the diligence, Okay. I want to honor you with the

1292
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: diligence of working hard at something and loving it and

1293
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: actually loving it. I think sometimes people think it has

1294
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: to be arduous. No, it's like scrubbing toilets just to

1295
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: hear what is a C chord?

1296
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: How do I sing this?

1297
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 3: How do I support you?

1298
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: How do I support it? What do the harmonies teach me?

1299
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: You know? And that honoring God with the craft.

1300
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: It is the work that you put in to say

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: I want to do this, but I also want to

1302
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: love it. So I think that's serving it well the

1303
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: best that you can.

1304
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: I think you're going to say, oh, no, no, I was

1305
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: going to say, sometimes when you get frustrated about having

1306
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: to work hard at something, it dilutes the potency that

1307
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: God can sometimes build in those moments. You know. So

1308
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: if you just keep the hard work Yoka's easy bird

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Speaker 2: in his like, if you keep it light, then there's

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Speaker 2: a lot that you can do and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: that you can transform well.

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Speaker 3: On the new album, you have a song called these

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Speaker 3: are the Days, and I can't help but think these

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Speaker 3: are the days for you As I watch this, as

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Speaker 3: you listen to it and watch you expand and reach

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Speaker 3: more people, it is incredible. And to get Justin Timberlake

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Speaker 3: to do backups on twenty one or a song on

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Speaker 3: the album Pretty Good.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, How that happened? Okay? So he and Mike were

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Speaker 2: working on trolls in la and he justin asked, Mike,

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Speaker 2: is there anything exciting you're you know, working on? And

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Speaker 2: he showed them some of the stuff that we were

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Speaker 2: working on twenty one days being one of them. And

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Speaker 2: I was not in the room. I don't know. Justin Timberlake.

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Speaker 1: This is not like a piggyback on his career by

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Speaker 1: any means. I don't know, but from what was told

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Speaker 1: to me, he got really excited about that song and

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Speaker 1: just told Mike I just want to sing on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to be recognized. I don't This doesn't

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Speaker 2: hear any plain Mike.

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Speaker 3: When it went over and over again, you can barely

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Speaker 3: hear him. He's just hacking a little bit here and there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's all you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he built like the track, the list of so

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Speaker 2: on pro tools, the what's used to make a record,

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Speaker 2: those lines, I mean, he had so many different bars.

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Speaker 3: Very s behind me. Yes, but it is incredible the

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Speaker 3: Timberlake's doing backup for you, Lauren self.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty uch.

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Speaker 3: What an honor, what a joy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is amazing being

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Speaker 2: with you. I love you, with you more to come.

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Speaker 3: Thank you bet yes, thank you. Wow, she is She

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Speaker 3: is just incredible. Here's the whole. Lauren Daegel's story is

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Speaker 3: an example of the gift of suffering, if I can

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Speaker 3: call it that. I know it sounds weird, but with

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Speaker 3: faith you can sanctify and make sense of suffering. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: when you're in pain, when you're hurting, that's the moment,

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Speaker 3: as she said, to be still and try to discern

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Speaker 3: what's going on in my life? What am I being

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Speaker 3: called to? Am I using the gifts I've been given

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Speaker 3: and moving toward my vocation, my purpose in life. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: that pain is sort of an abrupt, unplanned time out.

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Speaker 3: Don't waste the suffering. God may be trying to get

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Speaker 3: your attention. At least that's what I heard during that interview.

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Speaker 3: I hope you'll come back to Arroyo Grande soon. Why

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Speaker 3: live a dry, narrow, constricted life when if you fill

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Speaker 3: it with good things, it can flow into a broad,

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Speaker 3: thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm raiming Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 3: and like this episode, and thanks for diving in. We'll

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Speaker 3: see you next time. Arroyo Grande is produced in partnership

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