WEBVTT - Say Anything 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:02.160 On The Bechdel Cast. 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.680 The questions asked if movies have women and them, are 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.440 all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.720 have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and Beast start changing 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.320 it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:23.120 Wow wow, wow Wow, look at us, We look at us. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.079 We're saying anything, Kitlin. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.120 One of the things I've always loved about you is 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.360 that you'll say kind of anything. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:30.600 You know. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.760 I feel like there's a version of say anything that's 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.080 about like a shock jock. You know, this guy'll say. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.000 And he's not afraid to say it like it is. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.120 It's actually a Joe Rogan biopic title when you think 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.559 about it, because that man simply does be saying anything. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.800 He really does, he'd be saying so many things. Welcome 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.880 to the Bechdel Cast. My name is jam Loftus and 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:57.639 my name is. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:04.760 Kaydarante, and we are doing a little intro for a 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.679 show that we did live in Portland. So most of 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.479 this episode is the live show, and I think that's 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.679 kind of really all we need to say to introduce it. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.759 I think so yeah. I mean, we were in Portland, Oregon. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.160 We were at one of our favorite places curious comedy 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.360 theaters support them if you're in the area. And we 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.759 didn't have a guest on this show, and that's because 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.600 we are special. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.480 Weird, so strong and independent. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.240 We watched this movie and we're like, it's a love 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.360 story between a father and his daughter. We've got this one. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.480 We've got this one, and we put on our little 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.960 outfits and we do do doot it out to stage. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.400 And actually, what I will say before that, if you 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.680 want to see us do doot dude out on stage, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.080 we are asking a bunch of tour dates for next 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.800 year coming up soon as well as in Los Angeles 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.680 on December tenth. If you're in town, we're covering It's 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:03.600 a Wonderful Life. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:08.079 Yeah, at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles. Ever heard of it? 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.240 On December tenth. Tickets for that are on sale. 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The link 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.160 for that will also be on our link tree. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:59.520 So yes, and we looked so so please enjoy that. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.960 But but if you know, if you want to just 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.760 listen in the ca we had to stand and here 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.040 we are saying quite literally. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.880 Any anything. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.040 The bedellcast. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.880 So before we started the show, I just want to 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.280 do some housekeeping. We've received some really excellent treats. I 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.280 feel like, Okay, first of all, we love being in 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.560 Portland so much. It's the city we have come to 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.280 most in the country. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:27.880 Yeah, we. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.400 Absolutely love doing shows here. We literally do shows here 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.120 more so than where we live. Yeah, it's we really 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.240 love it here. We we love get to hang out 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.760 with you guys here. And I will say consistently because 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.880 we were here earlier this year, and give it up 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.960 if you were here earlier this year, all right, welcome 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:53.120 back some returning friends. Yeah, and so you'll remember that, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.440 you know, there were a number of hot dogs brought 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.600 and I threw a knife at the audience and Portland 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.880 did not a point this time around, because early I 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.800 gotta I gotta, I checked my other folder the other day, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.200 and that's a dangerous place to be. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:09.480 Yes, yes, this is. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.760 But I got one of the most pleasant messages in 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.440 the entire world from a man named Julian from Old 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.320 Town Pizza next Door give it up for there, saying 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.080 what I have been waiting for someone to say to 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.280 me my whole life, which is, do you want a 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.400 hot dog pizza hot and ready next door? 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.040 Yeah? 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.520 So I would like to present to you and offer 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:40.440 to the audience hot dog pizza like it's and like 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.120 you can if you're within fifty feet you can smell it. Yes, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:49.240 does anyone want some? Okay? Wow, Okay, I'll give them 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.599 out during the recap. I'll come out into the eye. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.840 We've got some plates. I just really want to spread 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.280 spread the joy here, all right, all right, okay, we're here. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.120 It's a chaotic start to the show. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.479 It sure is. Yes, So thanks once again to you 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.600 for being here. Thank you so much. Give it off yourselves, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.679 and give it up to the people watching the live 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.560 stream from wherever you are. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.400 They're like, oh, how stinky is that pizza? And You're like, oh, baby, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.640 you have no idea. It is a stinky pizza. And 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.120 I mean that is a big compliment. Yes, yeah, so 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.480 has anyone here never listened to our show before? Oh? 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.200 Oh, you raised your hand? A couple of hands coming up. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.479 This is really fun because I've never heard someone put 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.800 their hands together. It's just just a shameful, shaky race 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.520 of the hand. It's fine, Like, it's just a podcast. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.159 It is not a big deal. It's probably you're like 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.680 mentally healthier than most of the people here. If you don't, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.120 if you don't listen to podcast, it's fine. We should 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.920 we should tell we should let those three people know 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.000 what that is so true. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.520 We are the Bechtel Cast. We analyze movies through an 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:04.120 intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.320 off point. Well, Jimie, what is that? Oh? 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.320 I will tell you. It is a media metric created 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.120 by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.360 There's a lot of versions of the test, but basically 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.719 it was made as a bit in the eighties for 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.080 the incredible comic collection Dikes to Watch Out For. I knew, 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.640 I knew we would get a whistle for that because 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.320 Portland is cool. Yeah, there's a lot of versions of 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.919 the test, but our version of the test requires that 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.000 there be two characters of a marginalized gender with names 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.520 who speak to each other about something other than a 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.039 man for two lines of dialogue or more. We prefer 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.920 if it is an interaction of meaning. But I am 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.400 I was requested to make an exception for this movie specifically, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.440 which we will get to. But yeah, that's our whole deal. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.360 Do the three of you feel satisfied? Okay? Oh me 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.880 a really meaningful nod, yes, thank you king. We do 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:12.600 need the permission before we can move forward. Uh and uh, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.600 today we recovered we've we've covered a lot of movies 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.280 from the Pacific Northwest. I know it's like technically disrespectful 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.480 to cover a Seattle movie here, so we do apologize. Uh, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.040 but we are covering say Anything for this show. Who 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.080 here has seen Say Anything? Give it up? By round 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.400 of a par Yeah, hands, hands, folks, hands, all right, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:32.200 all right? 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.040 Who has not ever seen the movies? By round of applause. Guys, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.240 it's not a second grade classroom. You get you can class. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:43.240 It's fun. Okay, it seems like kind of halfway split. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.600 So we're gonna have to do a really good job, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.320 we're telling them what the movie is. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.280 I guess, well, well, let's I think there's a halfway 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.440 split on stage as well. Because had you seen this 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.080 movie before? 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:54.600 I had? 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.640 Yes, Okay, what was your history with it? 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.840 I saw it in college, maybe even in high school, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.480 but I don't know twenty years ago or so, and 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.160 not since I didn't feel compelled to watch it again. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:09.280 Interesting? Interesting? 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.560 And how about you, Jamie, what's your history with it? 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.480 Nothing? Nothing, I had not seen. Yeah, this is like 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.239 you know, I love Joan Cusack. So I was really 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.320 excited to see her in this movie. And then unfortunately 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:26.320 I did not really see her in this movie, which 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.640 was a letdown. No, I didn't. I didn't grow up 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.560 with this movie. I didn't have my dad had like 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:36.720 a unique dislike of Peter Gabriel. Oh, and so this 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.720 was just like never gonna make it into our rotation. Ever. Sure, ever, Ever, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.160 I don't know what it was though, Like I should have. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.120 I should have asked him before the show. But there's 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.520 sometimes there were just like certain is he British? Ah? 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.040 Does Peter Gabriel British? 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.400 Is my friend is nodding yes, and she's saying yes 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.360 audibly Okay, there are just like certain British people my 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.439 dad doesn't fuck with. Is that weird? 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.000 I don't know. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.280 I don't know. Okay, well i'd never seen it and 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:11.000 now I have, and and I have some things to say. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.079 I will say I do not dislike this movie. It's 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.439 it's a weird movie. There's a lot of weird stuff 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.320 going on. I was most tickled, thrilled and delighted to 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.760 find that Fraser's dad plays a major role in it. Yes, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.920 I was shot. I heard his voice and there was 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.559 like a sense memory that shook through my body. And 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:38.200 he's in Seattle. I mean, hello, we gotta get Mahoney 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:43.480 in Seattle. Do you think someone saw Mahoney in Say Anything? 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.560 Was like, we gotta keep this guy in Seattle. He's 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.400 so Seattle. We gotta make him the dad of the 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:54.280 fanciest two boys. I just oh, I love as a 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:59.280 Fraser Head. I really appreciated his presence. Okay, so Say Anything. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.120 It's a movie. It is uh. It's written and directed 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.720 by Cameron Crow. It's produced by James Brooks and poly Platt. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.840 Give it for poly Platt, and you must remember this 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:16.200 head's in the house. Okay, not enough interesting. Interesting, But yeah, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.520 it's from nineteen eighty nine, kind of a gen X 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:23.520 classic stars John Cusack, sort of Joan Cusack. Okay, Caitlyn, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.840 I have Do you know how to say the lead 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.240 actress's name in this movie? 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:27.560 Oh? 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.920 It was a real Owen McGregor for me. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.600 Oh yeah, because I really didn't. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.440 I didn't want to be the first to say her 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:35.840 name out loud, because I will. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.120 It's just a lot of owls. I meant to look 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.040 it up. It is spelled Ione. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:48.840 Is that Owen M. MacGregor. I can't do it Eon? Ion? 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.920 Does anybody know Ione? 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.839 Unbelievable? Wow? All right, all right, we'll take your word 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:04.640 for it this time. Can you say McGregor just for me? 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.239 Do you mean you and McGregor. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.040 I just don't know that my mouth can make that shake? 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.680 Can I wash your mouth? Can you do it again? 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.360 Let me help you break it down. Yeah, you win, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:23.920 you and McGregor. You win, McGregor, Ewan McGregor. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:35.640 Close you you you win when you win, you win, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:37.319 you win. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:44.120 We have to move on. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.080 Okay, okay, all right? 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.200 Shall I do the recap? Are we ready for the recap? 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:55.480 Caitlin's famous recap? All right, and while you do that, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.400 just in the front hands up for who wanted I have? 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.280 I have three plates, so it's gonna be well, I 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:03.440 guess it's just you too. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:06.320 There's someone. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.400 Oh that's oh okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, Caitlyn, don't 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.679 worry about it. Don't worry about I'm just servicing my community, all. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.640 Right, Okay. It's the day of high school graduation for 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:23.320 Lloyd played by John Cusack. He is telling his two 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:30.800 best friends, who are women, what their names are, Corey 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.520 and DC. He's telling them how he wants to take 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.680 a girl named Diane Court out on a date. And 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.959 Lloyd's friends are basically like, good luck with that. She's 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:46.720 too smart for you. Because Diane Court played by Ione 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:53.880 sky Eman McGregor, she is the valedictorian of her class. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.920 She gives a speech a graduation. Lloyd is like a wooga, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:00.640 what I he. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.600 Literally is doing? He's he's really doing the cartoon wolf 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.679 thing in uh in in that where he's like talking 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.200 over her speech, which we were talking about as we 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.080 were watching it today. It's one of those incredible movie 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.000 moments where she gives a speech that I think is like, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:24.440 inarguably mid like, oh, it's like gen X's nonsense. It's like, 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:30.839 aren't you scared about the future? Me kind of scared 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.440 about the future. And then all the kids are like, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.800 oh my god. Kurt Cobain like you're just like what 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.000 the fuck is she talking about? There? What is she saying? 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.959 And then later at the party, everyone's like, really cool speech, Diane, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.360 and you're like that speech was that was like a 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:49.760 second draft at best? 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.480 Yeah, you know, it was a flop. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.360 I would say I really wish that she gave one 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.880 of those like really incredible high school valedictorian speeches that 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.400 always like the cadence of them is so beautiful to me, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:06.200 where it's like, hello, students, my name is Diane Court. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:12.600 Wow what a year? Uh huh twenty ten? Are you 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.800 resigning your own graduation speech? 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:15.240 Jamie? 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.640 President Obama. He didn't become the president this year, but 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.320 he did while we were in high school. I have 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.760 so many good memories of it, Like, I love high 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.560 school valedictorian speeches and hers was garbage. Yeah, And then 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.800 meanwhile John Cusack is screaming over her, being like look 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.840 at our eyes, and you're like, wow, I hope they 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:40.640 end up together. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:50.920 Yes, Okay, So Diane's dad aka John Mahoney aka Fraser's dad, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.440 he is so proud of Diane. He gives her two 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.280 graduation presidents. One of them is a car and the 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.440 other one is an engagement ring. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.040 Her dad is trying to like Fraser's dad is trying 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.920 to marry his daughter. The whole movie, it. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.600 Does really feel like that. 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.320 It's very bizarre. The car, You're like, Okay, this is 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.440 like kind of a classic. I mean, it becomes plot relevant, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.400 but like it's sort of a classic, you know, like 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.120 upper middle class moment. But then when he sort of 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.160 proposes to her later where he gives I'm like, imagine 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.320 your father giving you a diamond ring. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.120 Yeah, I know, I could not imagine that. And then 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.560 he's like, your mom gave this to me as it 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:42.640 so his wife gave him a diamond ring. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.360 Yeah, but we're not told what the occasion was. Also, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.080 it doesn't I also like, I don't, I mean, whatever, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.160 anyone can give anyone a diamond ring. Question. I don't 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.840 know why I'm fighting for this right. Give a ring 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.600 to whoever you want. But there's no way he and 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.640 his daughter are the same ring size. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:00.880 True. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.160 That to me was unbelievable. Yeah, and I was just 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.200 really focused on Yeah. It seemed like he really wanted to. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.760 And anytime they're on screen together, there's this like romantic 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.479 music playing. Yes, You're just like, why are this strings 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.480 swelling when this father it's giving his teenage daughter a 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.640 diamond ring? Don't. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.920 I don't know, but it does happen in the movie, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.280 so sure talk about it. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.760 Sure does. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:30.320 Okay, So then Lloyd calls Diane. Her dad picks up, 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.480 so Lloyd leaves a message. Diane then gets another call 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.960 saying that she won a fellowship to study at a 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.800 prestigious school in England. Ever heard of it? 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.520 I love the vagueness of both the scholarship and the school. Yeah, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.760 we don't know what she's going to do or where 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.960 she's going to do it, certainly not. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.080 Diane calls Lloyd back and he's like, go out with me, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.440 go out with me, come on, And she's like, I'm busy, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.120 and he's like, please, please please about a graduation party 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.600 that's tonight and she's like, okay, you wore me down, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.080 I'll go. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.840 And I think that scene is interesting in a lot 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.600 of ways because it's like she she later calls back 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.159 to this scene being like, why did you go to 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.399 the party with Lloyd? Because he made me laugh? I 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.480 didn't see I didn't see her laugh a damn time. Nope, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.920 on that call, and I just you know, it's fine. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.399 It's like she wanted to go to a party, she 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.840 wanted to get out of her you know, out of 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.800 her comfort zone. So okay. But and it's very funny 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.320 that she has to look up who he is in 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:39.560 the yearbook. In the yearbook, pretty humiliating for him. But 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.080 he does not he does not make her laugh. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.040 No, no, not on screen. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.800 And I do feel like that is representation of women 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:54.320 pretending that men are funny when or not. Yeah, there 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.879 is this incredible like I've done it. I've been guilty 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.119 of this. Like if you're like, if you're a woman 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.960 who dates men and and bless your heart, and you're 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.120 like filming them like for an Instagram story or something, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.640 and they're doing something, and then I'm behind the iPhone 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:20.640 eight doing this menacing laugh right, like a breathy laugh, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.080 pretending that someone's funny. It's disturbing she's I think that 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.800 that was representation of that, whether Cameron Crowe realizes it 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.680 or not. Cameron Crow probably thinks he's hilarious. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:31.000 I'm sure he does. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.160 Yeah, I'm sure he does. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.320 But is he anyway? Okay, so he picks her up 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.480 and they go to the party, and everyone there at 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.760 the party loves Lloyd, and he is also made to 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.960 be the key master. That's a thing. Diane meets a 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:52.080 bunch of people. Lloyd and Diane do not hang out 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.400 at the party at all. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.639 Yeah, that is my worst nightmare is going to a 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.560 party thinking I have an ally and then being suddenly 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.399 left out to dry. Yeah, but they seem fine with 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:04.600 it whatever. I don't know. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.280 The party ends, Lloyd and Diane drive around all night. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.879 They're trying to give this kid a ride home who 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.480 does not know where he lives. They finally drop him off, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.320 and then Diane is like, Wow, going to that party 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.399 was awesome. I finally feel like I fit in And 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.920 also you're a great date. But also you're basic. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.840 And I really liked that. That was She feels bad 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.679 about it later, but I was like, that's kind of 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.160 like the most metal thing Diane does in the entire movie. Yes, 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.400 besides bust her father for tax fraud. That's a spoiler there, 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.399 but but like that I really appreciated that because he 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.639 was so into it. And then she was like, I 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.800 don't know, maybe the parlance was slightly different then, but 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.200 she was just like, you're boring, you fucking suck, and 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:57.240 let's go out again. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:58.159 Fine by me. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.840 Yeah, he's dancing in the street. I think you know, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.359 if we if we Bouchemmy test a lot of the 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.639 behavior of the John Cusack character. Yeah. Again, the Bouchemmy 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.960 test being if Steve Bouschemmy age forty five was doing 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.720 what the character in the movie is doing, is it 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.080 weird or is it still romantic? 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:17.920 Yeah? 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.359 You Bouchemi does that. It gets it, doesn't it doesn't 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:23.639 bear out in his favor. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.359 No, certainly not. Okay. So then Lloyd goes to drop 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.920 her off and he's like, I want to see you 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.520 as much as I can before you leave, and she's like, okay, 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.399 call me. And then the next date is Lloyd going 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.959 to Diane's for dinner with her dad and some family 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.080 friends and they're like, Lloyd, what do you want to 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.520 do with your future? And he's like, I want to 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:46.680 be a kickboxer. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.879 But I is that like is that like nineteen eighty 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.800 nine DJ or ah or like ticked. I've been making 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.800 these TikTok videos and they're really gonna people are gonna 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.880 watch them any day now, I think. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.880 So, yeah, I'm clear because they're all like okay. And 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.959 then during dinner, a couple IRS agents show up accusing 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:17.520 Diane's dad of tax evasion. So now Diane is very upset. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.159 I think Frasier's dad, you know, kind of takes it 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.720 in the stride. He was like, excuse me, I'm having 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.600 a fucking party. I'm like, can you say that? Can 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.359 you say that to the I R S. You're like, 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:29.000 I'm busy. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:35.280 I don't know. So now the family is like going 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.040 through this turmoil. Diane is upset, but she and Lloyd 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.560 keep hanging out, and we see her at work where 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.640 she works at a nursing home that her dad owns. 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:48.439 Put a pin in that. 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:53.280 Yeah, Lloyd comes through. He shows them Cocoon on VHS. Yeah, 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.000 that's one of my favorite scenes in the movie. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.639 Yeah, I really. He's like, I've never seen it, but 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:01.840 you might like it. I don't know. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.440 It seems like the old folks love cocoon. 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.479 So one day, Lloyd and Diana are getting coffee and 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.360 she's like, I'm just like really overwhelmed and I don't 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.800 think I can have a social life right now. And 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.359 they agree to be friends, but then he's like friends 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.960 with potential and we're like, that's not what she said. 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.920 Yeah, but it's really not what she said. But then 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.240 he says it and she repeats it back to him 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.320 because a man wrote this movie. 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:36.160 Yes, And then there's a scene where he's teaching her 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.760 how to drive her new car because women don't know 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.080 how to drive. I don't know, and I mean, oh, 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:45.240 because you don't know how to drive. 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:54.840 Yeah, Unfortunately, don't awe me. I'm doing fine. I'm dressed 0:22:54.840 --> 0:23:02.040 like Barbie for no reason. Oh, now that's patronizing. There 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:09.520 continue Why am I being so rude? 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.359 I don't know. But they're in the car together and 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:18.280 they're smooching. They're just going up, and then there's a 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.840 montage of them kissing, and then they have sex in 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.480 the backseat of a car that is near a body 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.879 of water, and we're like, what is this? Jack and 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.119 Rose in Titanic. 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:34.640 She literally says you're trembling, yeah, yeah, or she doesn't 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.399 say I mean, she says you're shaking. Because she's in 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.480 she lives in nineteen eighty nine, not nineteen twelve. They 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:46.520 don't use trembling anymore. But I was, yeah, I was. 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.400 I was bowled over and how similar the scenes are. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.119 And we mutually agreed that even though this movie came 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.480 out in eighty nine and Titanic came out in ninety seven, 0:23:55.840 --> 0:24:01.720 Cameron Crow is somehow ripping off Titanic. Yes, in this scene. 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.240 Absolutely yeah. And also let's just put a pin in 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.239 the similarities between Titanic and say anything. Maybe that'll come 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:13.680 back later. I don't know, hmm. Okay. So there's a 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.040 song that's playing in the car while they're having sex. 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.960 Oh, you sing it in your Eyes. I'll do the drums. 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.280 Uh No, number one I don't really know the words. 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.960 And number two I'm a bad singer. Okay, but it's 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.560 in your Eyes by Peter Gabriel. And she's like, listen 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.280 to it. It's a really good song. And he's like, okay, 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.160 I just busted and. 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.320 That and that is always the answer to like why 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:48.040 are you trembling? I'm like, wow, yeah, you were there. 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:54.320 Like not to blame women, but like I think you 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.000 know why I'm trembling. 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:04.040 Uh okay. So Diane comes home and she's like, by 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:05.920 the way, Dad, I just had said. 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.840 Oh my god, Okay, we need to talk. Okay. I 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.240 know that, Like I've seen this movie praise repeatedly for 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.520 like wow, a positive like father daughter relationship for a 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.560 good chunk of this movie. But I's just like, okay, 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:26.960 im okay, Caitlyn, I'm gonna ask you a question. When 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.080 you lost your virginity? 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:30.280 Yeah? 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:34.159 How long was it until your parents' news slash? Did 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:34.639 they ever know? 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.679 My mom never never found out about the instance of 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.240 me losing my virginity, but she did found out find 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.080 out when I was sexually active when I was in college, 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.399 because she was like, you're getting a lot of UTI's. 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:56.520 It's a great conversation starter. Go Lriie. I hope she 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.200 didn't even I hope she didn't even say hello. 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.479 She's like, I have a question to ask you. Are 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:10.080 you sexually active? And I was like, yeah, did you? 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:16.480 Did you Shaka? 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:23.679 She was like, Fucky bro high fived me and. 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.280 You chest bumped and then you guys exactly. 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.280 We took like twelve shots of Jamison. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.160 I told so I was trying to like figure out 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.960 my head, how weird is what happens in this movie 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.240 because I told my mom before I lost my virginity 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.679 that sometime in the near future I would hu but 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:53.240 I needed help buying a plane ticket, and so she 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.320 I needed to use I needed to use her credit 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.520 card to buy a plane ticket so I could lose 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.040 my virginity, and so she like it was like a hole. 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:06.119 It was like, you know, an FBI operation for me 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.399 to ultimately get a UTI as you were saying, and 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.280 find out I was allergic to latex. But there it's 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.960 I lived. But but what happens here? I feel like, 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:24.000 whether it's like before after whatever. In this scene, Diane 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.840 is coming home to her father, who is Fraser's father, yes, 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:34.199 making her Fraser's sister. Before she has like taken a 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.080 shower after losing her virginity, She's like, Dad, I have 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.919 to tell you something. I fucked John Cusack. And then he, 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:47.600 like to his credit, is like oh, because how do 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.520 you react to that? He doesn't slust shame her. He 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:55.040 doesn't say anything. He's just but he also seems to 0:27:55.040 --> 0:28:06.679 find it we doesn't she say anything? He didn't. I 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.720 guess he doesn't, does he? He does not say anything. 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:15.040 He instead stares at her saying with his eyes anything, 0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:16.959 which is, why are you telling me this before you've 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.760 take in a shower. I'd like, I just feel like, 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.840 you know, be as open with your parents as you're 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:26.080 comfortable with. But if you've just if you've just fucked 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.040 at any time, yeah, shower before talking to your dad. 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.600 And maybe that's old fashioned of me. No, I think 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:36.680 you want to walk in the house stinking of come 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:41.640 But I just I was just I was beside myself 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.960 and then and then that scene resolves by her being like, 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.280 I feel so much better. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:52.600 Yeah, because she's like, I can say anything to you dad. 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.400 It is, I mean, operates on my theory that the 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.880 central weird romance in this movie is in fact between 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.200 Rasier's dad and Diane. 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.680 A dad and his daughter. His daughter is daughter. 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.160 I just rewatched Mystic River and so I was like 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:14.640 mainlining my daughter for like seven hours or however long. 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.440 That movie is just Sean Penn swaling, My. 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.480 God, why didn't you watch that? 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:28.000 I was homesick, Fair popped it on. 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:28.760 You know. 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.400 The point is, yes, if you've just been dicked down 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.440 in the backseat of a car, if you want to 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.160 tell your dad about it, fine, I guess, but take 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:38.480 a show. 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.000 You gotta hit the showers, and your dad shouldn't be 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.960 like I don't know again, but like I would be 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.880 if I if I was sharing that information with my 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.080 with my one father, I would not want him to 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.360 be like thrilled, I don't know. 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:54.200 It. 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.800 That scene really is going to stick in my craw 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.280 for a long time to come. 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.480 Let's talk about it for they're in a bit. In 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:05.200 the meantime, Diane has told her dad that she has 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:15.280 had sex. Meanwhile, sniffing the air, He's like, oh growth. Meanwhile, 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.920 Lloyd's friends find out that he had sex, and his 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.480 friend Corey is like, you have to do something really 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.760 romantic for Diane now, So he writes her a letter, 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:26.800 pouring his heart out to her. 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.600 Again an incredible moment because Corey reads the letter. It's 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:35.040 two sentences long. I love Corey. I think is like 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.560 my favorite character in the movie, and we'll talk about her. 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.120 I really adore her. But her function in most scenes 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.040 is to tell Lloyd he is awesome. Yeah, tell him 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.200 he's the most amazing person to ever be born. And 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.320 she reads this bogus letter he's written where it's like, Hi, Diane, 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.080 you are pretty I love you yeah, and loves Lloyd. 0:30:55.240 --> 0:31:06.880 She's like, oh my god, She's like, okay Shakespeare and yeah, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.200 she's just like her function is to gaslod up when 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.480 he's being you know, kind of just like. 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:17.680 A guy exactly. Okay. So he sends off this letter, 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.000 but it's not long before Diane leaves for England to 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.440 go to uh school that we don't. 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.920 Leave to city, England to go to school subject. 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.920 And so she's confused about what to do because she 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.800 loves Lloyd, but she decides to break up with him, 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.920 and she gives him a pen as a parting gift. 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:45.920 She's a stone cold, which is also her dad's idea. Yes, 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.280 the breakup also her dad's idea. 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.640 Here's a little fun little story that relates back to 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.959 the person I lost my virginity with in high school, 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:57.040 which is like. 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.280 Government name gut No King. 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.920 So I broke up with him at some point and 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:12.120 you got brave of me, and he was really heartbroken 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:17.080 about it. And I was so cold because he sent 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.800 me this like essay that he had to write for 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:24.040 English class and it was about how he was so 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:32.320 in love with me and he he cheated on me 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.040 back when I believed that monogamy was a thing. Anyway. 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.640 Wait, now give me his government anyway. 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:46.080 So he sent me this letter and I proofread it, 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.480 made a bunch of like red pen marks, and I'm sent. 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:49.040 It back. 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:53.560 Brutal. 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.840 That's incredible. Yeah, did you return it to him? 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.160 Yeah? Yeah, I said, here, we're all of you are 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:01.800 errors and grammar and spelling. 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.000 That's the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life. 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:12.280 That's really exciting. Thank you, Thank you very mucham. Yes, 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.400 I got broke. I got the guy. I lost my 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.840 Virginia too, broke up with me because I was taking 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:24.560 up the time he needed to practice the saxophone. So 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.480 I guess you know, it takes all kinds. 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:34.560 Yeah, okay. So Diane has broken up with Lloyd. She 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.440 is upset about it. He's devastated. He's driving around in 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.320 the rain, he's trying to make sense of things. He's 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.080 kind of recording a podcast at one point he is, 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.560 and then he's like, well, let's see what some men 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.400 have to say about this. But they give him bad 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.360 advice on how to deal with that. 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:55.880 Including a jump scared Jeremy Piven, Oh, Jeremy Piven in 0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:01.440 like a fedora, being like women are bitches, and you're like, whoa, okay, 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:03.960 very scary. Yeah, so he is. 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.560 You know, he's driving around and having feelings. He tries 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.239 to call Diane several times. He's leaving messages, and then 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.160 we get the iconic scene where he goes to her house. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.719 He stands outside the window with the stereo over his 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.040 head playing in your Eyes, which is the sign Blade 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:28.960 when they were having Sang and his Avis one hundred 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:34.040 us room. And then you watch the scene and you're like, 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.360 she doesn't even get out of bed, she just stays 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.480 in bed. He just stands there for a while. 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:47.200 Cut to inspiring hey militia of creepy teenage boys to be. 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:52.000 Like, oh, just show up, show up, She'll stay the 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.360 play loud music that's waking up the neighbors. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:59.440 Okay, okay, so nimbi vibes. 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.719 Then we cut to Diane going to see this IRS 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.719 guy who tells her that they have proof that her 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.719 dad has been stealing money four years from people at 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.799 the nursing home that he runs. So Diane goes home. 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.720 She snoops around her dad's stuff and finds a huge 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.640 stash of cash. 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:26.799 He thought he was going to fool the Valedictorian mistake 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.680 number one. She also at no point takes off her 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:34.200 diamond ring, even though it's clear that her diamond ring 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.520 was purchased with dead people money. 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:37.200 Yeah. 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:38.560 Yeah. 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.280 So she confronts her dad, being like, you're a liar 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.000 and a thief and he's like, what's the big deal? 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.440 I did this for you. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.839 It's like, Fraser gets a lot of residuals. We'll make 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.400 up for it. It's fine. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.520 So she storms out, and then she goes to the 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.320 gym where Lloyd is trying to have a kickboxing career, 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.200 and she's like I want you, I need you, I 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.320 love you, and he's like, okay, cool. 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.040 I really like that scene. It felt like very kind 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:13.600 of close to authentic of like how weird teenage doomed 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.480 relationships work, where he's like, are you saying this because 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.520 you want me or because you want someone? And then 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.239 he like thinks about it for a second and is like, 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.360 I don't want to know the answer to that question. 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:29.200 Can we have sex again? And you're like, you know 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:30.880 that is the referee response. 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:38.960 Yeah, yes. So then h Frazier's daddy gets sent to jail, 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.239 Lloyd pays him a visit to be like, by the way, 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:47.560 I'm going to England with your daughter and the thing 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.920 that I want to do for a living is be 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:51.640 her boyfriend. 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.680 Okay, so you know, let him cook because that's a like, 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:59.200 that's the idea of someone whose job it is to 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.759 be my boy boyfriend is incredible and there are no 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:03.799 benefits to it. 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.920 No, you do not get dental. 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.239 No, there's no dental for boyfriend. But I was like, 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:11.480 all right, cool, good for him. 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:16.120 Right, And then Diane shows up to the prison yard 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.759 and she gives her dad the pen that he had 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.200 that she had originally given to Lloyd. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.600 Yeah, because like Lloyd, she's in love with her dad. 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.839 This scene also plays out very romantically and breakup scene. Yeah, 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.280 and Lloyd is like on the sidelines being like nice, 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.279 she broke up with her dad and now we can 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:41.480 be together. 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.759 And then she and Lloyd go to England. There's a 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.320 scene where they're in the plane. She's a nervous flyer, 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.480 but he's like, don't worry, babe, I'll keep you safe 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:53.960 ding the end. 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:58.359 The end and not say anything there. 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:11.880 Thank Shall we discuss, let's discuss, shall let's let's discuss. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.280 Should we start with I don't know Diane and Lloyd 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:18.720 in their relationship. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:23.200 Yes, okay, so I okay with Diane. I is interesting 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.560 watching this movie because I feel like the way that 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.719 it's written, because I hadn't seen it, and based on 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.320 all of the marketing, based on like the most famous 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.640 image from the movie and all this stuff, you're led 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:40.440 to believe that like Lloyd is the you know, undisputed 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.759 protagonist of this movie. But like, I feel like it 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.479 is pretty clearly Diane and the way of like who 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.799 has the arc, who are we spending the most time with, 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.360 whose feelings changed the most over the course of the movie, 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:58.279 Like Lloyd is pretty like consistent throughout the Like I 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.279 don't think that he I mean, I think he does 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.960 grow and change a little bit. But like Diane's the 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.719 one who's really like going through it the entire movie, 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.719 and she's not, like I think that the you know, 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.799 the most famous images from these movies, like you, she's 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.760 not in it. And it feels like a weird example 0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.319 of how it's it's not necessarily a fault of the 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.960 movie itself that Diane is kind of sidelined in the 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.880 way this movie is remembered, but the way that the 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.120 marketing is, and the way that it's publicly remembered doesn't 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:34.080 include kind of the most impactful character. 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.360 Right, Yeah, it treats Lloyd as if he's the protagonist, 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.040 and I think I wonder if that has anything to 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.719 do with like John Cussett going on to have a 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.120 more substantial career, the way the way that like many 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.160 male actors are like you get to have a career 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:53.560 because men are actually written parts in movies and women 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.880 aren't so much, so it's harder for them to become 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.160 like notable actors. 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.160 But like it's frustrating because Diane does have like an interest. 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.120 I think she's an interesting character, and I think it 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.399 is just more what is focused on That feels weird 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.279 because there's a lot of interesting stuff with Diane. I 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:16.520 feel like she and I guess I don't. I don't 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.960 fully think I know how aware the writing of the 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.879 movie is of this, But it feels like Diane is 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:29.280 this like character. She's like a like brilliant young woman 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.680 who and the two main men in her life are 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.799 trying to like live their lives through her by their 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.799 own rules, and that is like the main thing that 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.719 she is struggling with throughout the movie. Is like she's 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.200 with her dad. She wants to you know, she loves him, 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.239 she wants to make him happy, she wants to meet 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.440 his expectations, but it doesn't quite match. And then with Lloyd, 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.839 she's repeatedly trying to set boundaries with him. Uh and 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.080 you know, timmy Fair, it does seem like she wants 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.239 to be around him and is doing what she things 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.400 she needs to do, but it's like she's just struggling 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.560 with the expectations of men she cares about for the 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.200 entire movie, which is an interesting premise, but it like 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.200 it just kind of bears out in this weird way. 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:16.320 Yeah, in a way that I don't find very satisfying. Yeah, 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:21.080 I as far as like teen romance movies go, because 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.080 the bar is Solow and some of them are very 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:28.960 predicated on an extremely scary and predatory you know, lie 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.719 or bet or some kind of just like stalker situation. 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:37.600 This one feels on the less problematic side. Yeah, that's 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.360 saying something because it's still like, well, he's not respecting 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.479 her boundaries a lot of the time, and he keeps 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.080 kind of like being like, well, yeah, you just said 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.520 that you don't want a social life, and that you 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.120 just want to be friends, but what if we kiss 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.759 a bunch and then have sex in the back of 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:54.640 a car? 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.440 Right? I agree that it was like Lloyd is not 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.960 the most respectful Boundaries character ever, but it also felt 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.600 like he is, Like it at least felt reflective of 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.759 reality enough, and like I remember having teenage interactions like 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.239 that and Diane. I don't know, I just feel like 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.319 Diane kind of gets lost in the shuffle sometimes in 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.960 a way that's frustrating. And then for me, like for 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.200 teen romance, it's really frustrating that Lloyd is not a 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:25.160 one hundred year old vampire, and so it's already kind 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:33.080 of like, so, why would I watch this? I don't understand. 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:38.640 Did that occur to you at any point? He wasn't 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.919 really a member of the Cullen family, I would say, yeah, 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.360 And so it is kind of challenging to get invested 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:45.120 in that romance. 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.720 So why even set the movie in Washington States? 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:55.000 Fucking exactly, don't waste my time. If it's in Washington State, 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:59.480 I'm assuming there is a level of immortality. There's simply 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:03.400 one of the characters. And I was really disappointed that 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:08.160 it did seem like they were you know both Mortal Mortal. Yeah, 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:11.759 and so that was that was a bummer, but but yeah, 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.600 I mean it's it's I think Diana is like a 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:19.160 really interesting character, but the yeah, the way she's treated 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.319 by the story is kind of I don't know, like 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:27.200 it's disappointing. She doesn't have any friends to bounce stuff 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.560 off of. Not that that doesn't happen in high school, 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.480 but I think like for the sake of the movie, 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.840 it would have been I think helpful for the audience 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.799 and good for just developing a character to have her 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.960 have someone outside of these two men in her life. Yeah, 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.600 to get an idea of who she is. It feels 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.560 like Princess. Like I feel like we talk about Princess 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.719 Leiah in the terms in terms of that where it's like, 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.760 here's this really interesting lead character who is a woman, 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.319 but we're only going to give her men to talk to. 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.239 We're not going to give her an interior life outside 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:04.920 of her really reationship to these men for reasons unclear. 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:08.640 Right, And then the movie does kind of address the 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.640 fact that she does she hasn't made any friends in 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.759 high school and it's because she sort of like secluded 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.600 herself or she didn't put herself out there, and this 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.160 party was like her first chance to meet people, and 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:25.080 now she finally feels like she like some people know her. 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.200 But then after she comes to that realization or she 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.839 has kind of like taken herself out of her comfort zone, 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.000 she proceeds to then get to know exactly one person 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.080 and it's a guy who's just extremely persistent at her. 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.000 Right. Well, that was I felt like there was promise, 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.719 and we have exactly because I think that in Lloyd's 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:48.840 I mean, in spite of the fact that if like 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.440 Lloyd has less of an ARC, we know more people 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.680 in his life and in his circle. We know his sister, 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:58.040 who is his actual sister, Constance. I think her name 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.840 is played by John Cusack. We know his best friend Corey, 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.400 we know his other friend DC. We know a number 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.680 of people in his life, and he mostly has close 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:12.920 relationships friendship family wise with women. But yeah, interm and 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.839 we get one scene between Lloyd's best friend Corey and 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.240 Diane that I felt like was really cool and promising 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.600 of like, oh, maybe they will become friends and that 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:26.680 would be a way to bring her closer to Lloyd 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.960 if you know, they become friends. But The only thing 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.239 that happens in that scene is like, is Corey does 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.760 the function of her character, which is to be like, wow, 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.480 wouldn't you say that Lloyd is like the most epic 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.879 awesome guy in the world. And Diane's like, hmm, you're 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.040 right about that, and then like that's that's the only 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.120 scene we get them together, which sucks because it's like 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.040 it's seeing like two interesting women just pass like ships 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.200 in the night, you know, on to more boring plot 0:45:55.239 --> 0:46:00.720 points and you're like, no, stay talk about your feelings 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:05.040 on Roe v. Wade, you know, like give me something, 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:06.840 but they give me nothing. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:07.360 They don't. 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.000 Yeah, it's disappointing. 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.560 Yes, so I guess where I land on. It is 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:17.960 the romance. We've seen worse examples in teen rom coms. 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:23.960 But like you said, it's just her. It is Diane's story. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.160 She feels like the protagonist to me, but it's all 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.640 about these men who are just kind of like inserting 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.640 themselves in her life or just like inserting their expectations 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:37.960 in her life, and she doesn't really challenge them very much, 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.080 and she's just like, yep, all allow it. 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:42.880 Well, it's not even I would I would say that 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.040 she does challenge it at different points, but she is 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:49.719 like doesn't successfully push out of it right in a 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.759 way that does. The script doesn't feel fully aware of, 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.399 like it's it's we're made to believe that like this 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.800 ending for Diane is kind of the best case scenario 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.160 when there I feel like are of opportunities for her 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.200 to push back more, make connections with other people, and 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:06.120 I don't know, I just feel like there were more 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.560 interesting things. And then also watching the relationship, I also 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.680 think the most interesting relationship in the movie also does 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.920 not involve Lloyd. I think the most interesting relationship is 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.080 I know, we've like talked a lot of shit about 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.680 it because he is trying to marry her. But like 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:26.279 Diane and her father's dynamic is really interesting, and I 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.640 feel like there is like a really I don't know, 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.960 I can't think of a lot of I mean, except 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:35.880 the entire series of Succession. I can't think of like, 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:37.880 I mean, there's not a lot of stories about like 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.840 a daughter getting to know like who idolized as a parent, 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:47.200 having that illusion completely shattered and having to deal with that, 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.120 Like that's a really interesting thing to explore, especially because 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.399 like Diane has really dictated the way that she has 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.399 lived and we know this about her because she says 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:03.000 it to Lloyd at seven eleven in which incredible detail. 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.840 I'm like, did they get stuff off the rollers? Like? 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:09.320 When did they get a white claw? Did white claw exist? 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.279 They're all these things right, Yeah, I had a lot 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.920 of questions. They left seven eleven, but they weren't holding 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.320 a delicious snack. That was interesting. Yeah, I went to 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:23.400 seven eleven the other night and brag, thank you, I 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:28.600 was on a date. It's like, I need to make 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:33.040 a stop to get candy corn in a buffalo roller. 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:38.320 And sorry, that came up involuntarily. 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:45.600 I just wanted to know what their order was there, 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.120 And that is my biggest problem with the movie. 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.520 But the focus is more on well, what the thing 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.920 you're about to say? But then also the parking lot 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:58.320 moment where he was just like, watch out, there's glass 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.520 and he just kind of kicks it out of the way. 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.680 She walks around it, and then later in the movie 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.560 she's like, the reason I know that he's such a 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:13.120 good guy is that he didn't let me step in glass. 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.320 That that was so okay. 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:16.759 Uh. 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.879 Those scenes are so fun to watch because they are 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.799 like nonsensical and you can just imagine like Cameron Crow 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.920 at his like computer being like, yes, this is so good, 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:35.600 like this is what women require. He really thought he 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.759 was he was he was doing something there. I just 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.760 and it's like, I mean, truly the old A great 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.719 cinematic example of accepting crumbs is like, Wow, that guy 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.320 didn't want me to step on glass. I could see, 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:55.239 like I better let him follow me around like just 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:59.440 a real a real bummer. But yeah, I mean, I 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:04.560 think ultimate the more interesting relationship, if if this movie 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.759 absolutely has to choose, a relationship between Diane and a 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.120 man in her life is the relationship with her dad, 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.319 because in that same scene, she explains to Lloyd that, like, 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.880 it seems like part of the reason she feels so 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.759 connected to her dad is because she was put in 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.520 this through this horrible custody battle where she had to 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:25.160 choose which parent to live with. She chose to live 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.279 with her dad, she says, because it was easier. We're 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.080 not given any information, but I don't know. Maybe she 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:35.040 wanted to be able to see Frasier. She's like, she. 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:38.640 Was like it felt like the safe choice. We don't 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.399 know exactly what she means by that, but that's that's 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:42.759 the only information we have. 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:45.439 But it's like she's very like at a base lettl 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:50.480 very invested in making her relationship with her dad work, 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.080 which he seems to, you know, want he wants to 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:58.520 marry her. But like examining that felt more interesting to 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:02.480 me than this teenage romance. It just but I don't know. 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:07.319 And then you get a scene, one scene with Diane 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:12.000 and her mother and that scenms very What did you 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.040 make of that scene? Because to me, that was another 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.720 scene of like Cameron Crow sitting in a room probably 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:23.440 with his spouse, not asking her what women might talk about. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.319 This is one of the scenes I listed under the 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.799 does the movie past the Bechdel Test column? Yeah, because 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.280 there are a handful of interactions with women in the movie, 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:38.560 and one of them is this scene where Diane is 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.000 talking to her mom. Here's how it goes. They are 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:47.000 talking about her dad being a criminal, and then the 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:50.040 mom is like, no, I'd rather talk about you. I 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:51.840 don't even know if you've got a young man in 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:59.120 your life, and Diane and Cameron Crow's like yeah. Diane says, 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:02.560 what's more important than what's going on with dad? And 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.080 then her mom replies if we could just talk about boys, 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:07.960 everything would be so much easier. 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:12.080 And you're like, well, that's back to back. There's this 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.920 scene is not going anywhere, and then the. 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:18.239 Mom's new husband, I forget his name, he shows up 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:26.720 and then oh, I mean uh huh, and then he 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.520 he's like about to show up, so they start talking 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.880 about him, and then he shows up and cut to 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.520 the next scene. So I didn't like it, is what 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:34.120 I'm saying. 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:39.520 No, And it's that's especially frustrating because that relationship like 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:43.600 never comes back, which is bizarre because the reason that 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.680 that scene happens is because Diane is going to her 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:51.200 mom to say, hey, dad is getting investigated by the 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.960 I r S. If the I r S comes to 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.359 your door, please say something nice about him, like and 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.719 she's and Diane like I and I really like I 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.440 feel for her in that because she's very invested in 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.360 like protecting her father. She very much believes he is innocent, 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.200 and so she's like and that's part of why she 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.520 like originally breaks off the relationship with Lloyd is because 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.200 she's like, I'm kind of like really focused on my 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.600 dad not going to white collar jail right now. Yeah, 0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:21.480 And so it's like she's really spending a lot of 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:25.440 time trying to protect him, and we know that, Like, 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.359 I mean, I don't know how much the mom would 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:29.600 know about what's going on, but it seems like it 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:34.200 would be relevant to Diane's mother that Fraser's dad goes 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.680 to jail. Yeah, but she never comes back and we 0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:41.360 never get any closure on like where that relationship was left, 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:45.000 or like any which is frustrating if we are viewing 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.520 Diane as like the protagonist of the movie, but it 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.840 just like leaves all of these loose threads in favor 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.160 of you know, watching Lloyd, I don't know, turn in 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:56.680 a circle. What does he even do? 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:03.120 Well, he's kicking and he's punching, doing he kicks. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:04.800 Well, let's let's talk about Lloyd. 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:07.560 Sorry, Well, first I spent the past like two minutes 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.840 trying to is it okay? Which Durst is it? Is 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:12.760 it Robert Robert. 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:18.680 Not Fred okay? So I'm always happy to answer that question. 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:24.320 So basically, when when Diane is like, my dad innocent, 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:27.799 it's like how you respond to Robert first, Okay, I 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:29.879 was trying to make that joke. It has come and gone. 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.919 It's anyway, if there's no point in arguing Robert Durst 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.799 is innocent anymore, because not only is he dead, he 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:41.360 was guilty. So just kind of a challenging time for me. 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:46.319 Sorry, but I found that the relationship with her dad 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:50.799 and just the dad character in general. His name is James, right, 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.160 Jim James Court, James. 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:56.000 I love that your last name is Court and then 0:54:56.000 --> 0:55:01.400 he goes to jail. That's that's iconic writing. That's some 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:05.560 Larry gee Lee level naming of a character. I liked it. 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:09.160 Yeah, I found him to be maybe one of the 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:13.920 most nuanced characters in the movie because I guess he 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.319 just defies a lot of just stereotypes when it comes 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:21.000 to like dad characters of a teen girl of that era. 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.600 We already talked about the scene where she comes home 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:27.680 after having sex for the first time with Lloyd. He 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:32.080 is like, where were you? You didn't call, but he's like, 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.799 like he's in love with her. He's like, I want 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.560 to make sure you're safe, and then he goes he 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:42.600 like goes on to just explain, you know, I care 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:46.360 about your safety. It doesn't matter what you were doing. 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.520 And then she says, like, I was having sex, Dad, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:51.879 and he's like, I okay. 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.120 I would just be like, all right, can we talk 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:58.120 about this like after you like sleep, but they have 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.160 to talk about it now because it's a movie. 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.240 And she's like, I'm just so eager to say anything 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:08.600 to you. A yay. But I guess, you know, a 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:11.839 typical dad character in a movie like this would have 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.400 a very like slut shamey response and try to like 0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:16.439 exert all of. 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:20.160 That either either a slut shamey response or like where 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:21.759 is he? I'm gonna kill him? 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.240 That's my thune, you know exactly. 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:26.879 I just watched mister Grimver. That's what he does. 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.359 So he doesn't do that. He's just mostly concerned about 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.840 her safety because she doesn't she didn't call like she 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.640 always calls, right. And then there's a later scene that 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:42.759 also his behavior surprised me where she is saying that 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.799 she's not sure if she should take this fellowship in 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:49.000 England after all, and I will say, I guess going 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:52.359 back to the relationship between her and Lloyd, I was 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.759 because I didn't really remember how this movie pans out, 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:56.719 and I was worried as I was watching it this 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.600 time that she would be like, never mind, I don't 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.760 need to go to England. I've got my professional boyfriend 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:09.560 who professionally wants to be my boyfriend and. 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.520 I and as that is not a paying position, I 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:12.960 will suppose I will have to support him in his 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:14.680 endeavor to be around. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.520 So I was really worried that like she was not 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:22.280 going to take the opportunity, and like pursuer education, she 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:25.440 does do it. He tags along, which you know, you 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:29.880 can feel about any which way, but I was happy 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:34.000 that at least she like went through with her plans. Yeah, 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.800 in any case, So she's like, I don't know if 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.240 I should go to. 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:45.480 School, college, school, university to study question mark, Oh my god, 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.400 which again is like that's a really easy detail to 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.800 give and we were not given it. And I feel 0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:54.200 like that if it was Lloyd, we would know what 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:56.560 he was studying and what he was interested in, because 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.560 we know that he wants to be a kickboxer, even 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:03.200 though that has no relevance to fucking anything. Diane's like, 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.200 you know, ambitions have a lot to do with the movie, 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.880 and we don't know what they actually are, right, Yeah, I. 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:12.560 Wonder if like Oxford University read it was like originally 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:17.320 that in the script and then they're like, don't besmircharge. 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:21.520 Your fucking mouth crow. That would be really funny. That 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.840 would be such a weird, uh weird antagonistic thing to 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:29.480 do in any case, Okay, I don't like fast times 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:32.480 at Ridgemont High. 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.560 So she's saying she's not sure if she should go 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.920 to England, and she does kind of it seems like 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.840 she's implying, oh, maybe also one of the reasons I 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:46.720 don't want to go not only are you under criminal investigation, dad, 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.680 but also I love this guy. And then when he 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.600 finds that out, when when her dad realizes that she 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.160 loves him, he kind of pivots because prior to that 0:58:56.200 --> 0:59:00.080 he was like, oh, he's not good enough for you. 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:05.320 He's always just kicking and punching, and you're too smart 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:10.280 for him. And then which is true, to be fair, true, 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.520 But then he like when she says I love him, 0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:18.600 he respects the gravity of the situation, He respects her feelings. 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:23.360 He doesn't like try to question her feelings. He is like, oh, wow, 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.400 maybe I'm being like really selfish here, Why am I 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:30.640 fixated on this? Like I owe you an apology, he says. 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:36.000 But then the one sentence we never hear it's amazing. 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:40.440 Yeah, but and then a few minutes later he turns 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.200 out to be embezzling money from a very vulnerable group 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:50.240 of people. So so it's complicated. You know, some of 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:56.880 history's greatest monsters were pretty decent parents. And Fraser's dad, well, 0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:59.120 Fraser's dad was a great dad, but he was a 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:03.840 retired Seattle So you know, they're this is a sort 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.440 of a through line. Thank you for your heads for 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:09.400 I was proud of making that connection as well. 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:16.760 Yeah, I felt like it was a unique father daughter relationship. 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.640 But again, I don't know, I don't know. I feel 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:26.400 like coding it as romantic was so avoidable, and I'm like, 1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:31.000 not even joking because like down to post production whoever, 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:32.560 I don't know off the top of my head, who 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:35.880 can pose the music? But what the fuck were they thinking, 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:40.000 like when they were like all right, all right, father, father, 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:47.600 all right, we're gonna need something a little sexy. Why 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.640 like some sort of like longing romanticizing? 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:55.320 The blocking is often weird, just the writing choice to 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.800 make her I'm sorry the way of your dad's have 1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:00.439 given you a diamond ring. 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.840 No, if your dad is giving you a diamond ring, 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:08.000 like you have to consider he could have been embezzling 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.480 money from old people. I think, I hope this is 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.680 a wake up call for anyone in this room was 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:19.920 received a diamond ring from their father. It's weird. It's weird. 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:23.600 Weird choices were made all around. Let's talk about Lloyd 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:24.480 really quick, Okay. 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:27.600 I Lloyd is an interesting character to be because I 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:31.200 do think that like I don't know, like Lloyd and 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:37.080 this movie have been through so many rounds of critical appraisal, 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.040 or I think this movie was pretty beloved when it 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:44.600 came out. I think Lloyd does sort of defy a 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:49.120 number of common rom com stereotypes with a male lead, 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:53.040 where like you're saying, there's no bet, there's no central lie, 1:01:54.160 --> 1:02:00.000 but he still is pushy and still you know, push 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:03.640 past a lot of Diane's boundaries and is rewarded for 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.400 that behavior. And then on the other hand, you have 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:11.200 What I like about Lloyd is the fact that something 1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:16.200 we I think very rarely see in teen movies, which 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:19.800 is that he has a close friend who is a 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:24.280 woman who he is not. Like there's no subtext of like, yeah, 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.120 she's in love with me, or I even in love 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:31.520 with her, Like Corey is his closest friend. And she's 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:35.000 an interesting character in her own right, but like there 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:39.880 is no like it presents the simple truth that men 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:43.520 and women can be friends. Yeah, in a way that 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:47.680 is like not you know, like longing coated or that 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:52.480 there's not this like deep heterosexual you know, physical pain 1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:56.200 that comes with them being around each other. And then 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:58.440 on top of that that, like when that friendship is 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.720 presented to Diane, she's like, that's it's nice to meet 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.840 your friend versus like meeting that with extreme jealousy orich. 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.840 Just like all these tropes we very ordinarily see where 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.919 it just seems like Lloyd is a male character who 1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:16.520 connects with women easier, which is nice, and that is 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.160 like not presented as a bad thing. And I also 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:23.920 like how Lloyd is from. Like Lloyd's parents aren't really around. 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:27.160 They're in the military in Germany, and you're like, well, 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:30.440 I don't like this sounds like that there. 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:34.520 Right after the fall of the Berlin. 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:39.040 Wall, and then their politics are not made clear, but 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:43.880 they're in the military in Germany in the eighties, and 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:48.000 uh so they're you know, out there, and so like 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.560 Floyd and his sister there there. You know, Floyd's sister 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:55.160 is a single mom, uh, there's no judgment passed on that. 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:58.520 I think my main issue is that they don't let 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:01.760 her be a character at all. She's just like vaguely 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:06.160 like shrill coded to do Lloyd. In the first she's like, 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:10.240 why can't you be an uncle and not a plane mate? 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:16.840 And he's like, you used to be fun. Yeah, But 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.360 but it was like he has like a I think, 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:21.160 like kind of like a latch key kid kind of 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:23.600 upbringing where his parents weren't really around, and I feel 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:28.160 like those characters are very often portrayed to be maladjusted 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:31.960 and not people to be around, and I like that 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:35.760 Lloyd sort of presents that upbringing in a way that 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:41.400 it's like he's generally a thoughtful person and I don't know, 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.760 like class wise and just upbringing wise, it's like not 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:47.720 something I was used to seeing. Sure, So I don't 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:49.400 know Lloyd. Lloyd was hidden miss for me, but I 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:53.240 do I was rooting for him, especially when he something 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:56.640 is so vulnerable about whipping a VHS copy of Cocoon, 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.880 where I was like, oh, he's really going for it. Yeah, 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.360 he doesn't know what he's doing, but he wants to 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:04.960 do something. 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:07.120 And this is after and we have to wrap up 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:11.280 very soon. But this is after Diane has challenged him 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:15.959 for his ageist beliefs. Yes, and she's like literally calls 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:19.240 him out with that exact language. She's like, you're being agist, 1:05:19.440 --> 1:05:21.320 and he says his ass down and then and then 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:24.520 he was like right, He's like, wow, you're really making 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.600 me reconsider and maybe I shouldn't be agist. And it's 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.760 not clear if he actually is like changing his mind 1:05:29.760 --> 1:05:33.400 about this or if he just wants to bust. 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:43.400 Right. It's October and busted makes you feel good, Uh, precisely. 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:48.120 But but I mean, unfortunately, with due respect to men 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:50.000 in the room, I feel like, you know, it is 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:51.720 a fake it til you make it situation where it's 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:53.800 like I will make you repeat my politics back to 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:55.240 me until you somehow believe it. 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:58.160 And uh uh huh. 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:02.400 And you know it's that's how I wear people down, yeah, 1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:07.280 by talking about housing justice until they believe in it. 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:14.320 And that's how I've weaponized my vagina for good. The 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:15.800 other thing I like about Lloyd and I know we 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:19.040 have to move on, is there is a critical scene 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.680 where Lloyd is so he, like you mentioned, he is 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:27.720 recording a podcast. He's driving around in his car, recording 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:31.240 his thoughts on a cassette player for Corey, for his friend. 1:06:31.440 --> 1:06:35.920 He's recording a podcast for an audience of one. It 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:39.120 is like kind of true crimey where he's like, I'm 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:42.840 in the streets and you're like, oh my god, I 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.520 know people who sound like not know. I've listened to 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:48.480 podcasts like that that the people are millionaires for saying 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:54.040 equally fucking nothing. You know, I'm in the streets. It's 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:54.840 duck out. 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:59.000 Like he said something like the rain on my car 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:04.919 is APPTI. We're like, well, brilliant metaphor, sir. 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:09.560 When you think about it, I am I do him 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:15.919 christ like go off king. But when he is doing that, yeah, 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:19.520 like you you alluded to this in the recap. But 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:21.560 he says like, maybe I should talk to more men. 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:23.440 Everyone in my life is a woman, and you're like, 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:25.280 well that's going to be a non starter, but let's 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:28.800 see what happens and he But the movie bears that 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:31.600 out where it's like he goes to this group of 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:37.720 like guys is like high schools with any group of guys, 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:41.400 Jeremy Piven is there. If you're going to go meet 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:44.280 up with some guys, he'll be there and he'll be 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:50.520 wearing a little hat. But the list, I know, we 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:52.080 were both ready to get down as we were watching 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:55.600 it together because, uh, you know, he goes to this 1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:57.720 group of men. They're hanging out at a gas station 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:01.600 talking shit about women, which which is beautiful, beautiful, right. 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:05.520 One says you can't trust them. They spend your money 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:09.720 and they tell your friends everything. And I'm like, and 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.720 is that a bad thing there? All you gotta do 1:08:12.800 --> 1:08:14.960 is find a girl that looks just like her nailer 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:18.479 and then dumper. You know what's the mistake. You should 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:22.439 have dumped her first. That's Jeremy Piven. Diane Cord is 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:26.040 a show pony. You need a stallion man. Literally, Jeremy 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:30.719 Piven objectifying women. We hate to see it. But Lloyd 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:34.280 does not respond to this by being radicalized by these 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:41.120 like gas station losers ideas. He instead challenges it and 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:42.800 he's like, oh, that's interesting that you have all these 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:45.080 thoughts about women when women aren't hanging out with you 1:08:45.200 --> 1:08:48.559 and you are at a gas station at night, and 1:08:48.600 --> 1:08:51.120 that's awesome. I mean, like that exchange is really cool. 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.040 And then and then he responds and then like after 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:58.439 realizing that talking to men his age is a non 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:01.800 starter and that they hate women and don't understand why 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.360 he goes back to his friends who are women and 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:09.120 ask them for advice, and like, I liked that. I 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:09.880 thought that was cool. 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:14.360 Yeah, yeah, I you know, he does blame Corey for 1:09:14.800 --> 1:09:17.800 Diane breaking up with him. Basically, she's like, I hang 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:21.360 out with too many women and it's your vote, Corey. 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:23.640 This is your podcast for You'm yelling at you. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.519 But I do like that the movie recognizes that all 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:31.960 the advice that the men give him is terrible advice, 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:35.560 and that yes, that Lloyd openly challenges. 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:39.000 Them absolutely, And then, uh, because we do have drap 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:42.439 up Corey, we'll we'll talk more about her. We'll do 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.000 we'll record more about her in a later time. But 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.920 Corey is the fucking coolest character in the movie. Do 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:52.160 we have any Corey heads in the house. Okay, she's 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:54.200 the best. I also feel like she's a very like, 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:59.719 uniquely nineteen eighty nine character where she is Lloyd's best 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:02.880 friend and she I feel like, I was like, oh, 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.639 the character closest to me in high school is Corey, 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:07.920 where she has had her heart broken by the same 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:12.840 loser repeatedly and is writing horrible poetry about it, and 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:16.880 like that is a very recognizable thing. I think that 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:19.479 like we'll sort of talk about later on about like 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:23.000 the way it's presented. But I just I really liked her, 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:26.280 and I felt like we were given some crumbs on 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:30.519 how she like on her her personal stuff towards the 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:32.320 beginning of the movie, where it's like there is this 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:35.400 one guy who later appears at a gas station being 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:40.639 a misogynist, so huge loss for her, but like this 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:44.400 this fucking loser who she's written sixty five songs about, 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:50.599 and who among us you know that, Like she eventually 1:10:50.680 --> 1:10:53.920 kind of cuts loose because she realizes that like he's 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:58.360 a loser and a liar, and like I thought that 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:00.639 was a really interesting start to her care But then 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:03.920 the remainder of the movie, she mainly shows up to 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:08.720 tell Lloyd various plot points mm hmmm, and to tell 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:11.840 him he's cool. Yeah, and that's kind of the most 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.040 we get from her after like the thirty minute mark. 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:15.920 Yeah, it's true, very frustrating. 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:19.640 Yeah. The last thing I wanted to say is just 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:22.799 the production of this movie. It is like an interesting 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:26.280 movie production wise, but I wanted to just quickly shout 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:29.000 out one of the main producers of this movie, Polly Platt. 1:11:29.080 --> 1:11:31.760 We've got a picture of her here, let's get it. 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:35.360 This is She's really cool. I would if you haven't 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:37.840 listened to the season of you must remember this about 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:41.160 Polly Platt, I would highly highly recommend it. It's so cool. 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:44.760 Give it up for her. She is. She had a 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:48.439 fucking incredible life, like she I mean, she was done 1:11:48.439 --> 1:11:53.840 a huge disservice by show business. But this movie came 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:56.000 out during this sort of second surge in her career 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:59.120 where she was working with James L. Brooks. She worked 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:03.879 on this movie, she basically discovered Cameron Crowe and Wes Anderson, 1:12:03.960 --> 1:12:08.400 so you're welcome if those are guys you like. She also, 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:13.160 iconically for everyone, discovered The Simpsons and handed it off 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:15.559 to James L. Brooks, So we wouldn't have the Simpsons 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:19.000 without Polly Platt. She's fucking cool. And she also appears 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:22.560 in a cameo in this movie, which is the next slide. 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:24.880 You can see that she is in the graduation scene, 1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:33.559 so there she is. So yay Polly. And we'll link 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:38.280 to Karina Longworth's season about her when we release this episode. 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:41.800 But Katelin. Yes, does this movie pass the Bechdel test? 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:45.920 I think maybe on a small technicality, but I would 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:47.000 say spiritually no. 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:53.599 Spiritually no, But it does pass between DC and it's 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:57.400 not a very impactful exchange. But between DC and Corey 1:12:57.840 --> 1:12:59.840 there is an exchange in the record store where it 1:12:59.880 --> 1:13:03.759 be the large context of the conversation is that Diane 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.800 and Lloyd had sex. Yes, which is, you know, not 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:08.360 passing the backful test whatsoever. 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:08.840 P and V. 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:14.720 It doesn't pass. But Corey's talking over DC, and DC 1:13:14.920 --> 1:13:17.000 is like, you never let me talk about anything. You 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:20.280 never let me speak. And Corey's like, oh, I'm sorry, 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.160 what do you want to say? And DC is like, well, 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:27.720 I forget. And that was impactful to me. Yes, that 1:13:27.800 --> 1:13:30.000 passes to me. I can relate to that. I've had 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:33.840 many interactions like that, demanding yeah, demanding a platform and 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:37.000 then being like, oh, I have nothing to contribute. 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.439 But generally, the few times that women do interact in 1:13:42.439 --> 1:13:45.720 this movie, they are usually talking about Lloyd, they are 1:13:45.760 --> 1:13:51.400 talking about Frasier's dad, They're talking about some other guy. 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:58.320 It's particularly this is disgusting, Joe, this is it's particularly frustrating. 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.400 In the conversation between Diane and her mom where there 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:05.440 is potential to talk about most anything, and they aggressively 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:07.160 only talk about men. 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:10.160 Right, Or the scene the one interaction between Corey and 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:14.200 Diane where they talk about Corey's ex boyfriend Joe for 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:15.639 a while and then Lloyd. 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:19.040 Yeah, but what about the most important metric to ever exist, 1:14:19.120 --> 1:14:21.479 which is the Bechdel cast nipple scale? 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:24.920 Yes, a zero to five nipples based on sound. Examining 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:28.000 the movie through an intersectional feminist lens, I think I'll 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:32.040 give this movie. I would say two nipples. I think 1:14:32.520 --> 1:14:34.880 someone gasped. Is that what happens? 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:38.519 When you guys listen to this, They're like, they're like, Oh, 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:40.120 they're so wrong for that. 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:44.599 How could they were you expecting me to say higher 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.679 or lower? I made a mistake and this happens. 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:55.439 Oh my god, No, this happens everything. This is why 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.479 like live shows are nuclear for us, because if I 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.479 look at you the wrong way, you're like, no. 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:12.519 God, no, Well here's my reasoning. Yeah, sounds familiar, And 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:15.880 I'm judging this on nineteen eighty nine standards, and it's 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:20.679 like slightly less problematic than teen rom coms that came 1:15:20.720 --> 1:15:22.479 out ten years later. 1:15:22.760 --> 1:15:25.439 Yeah, for sure, there's that the. 1:15:25.600 --> 1:15:30.040 Father daughter relationship, while it is rife with a weird, 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:40.080 possibly romantic tension. I do I know two is wrong. 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:42.120 I'll go down to one and a half. 1:15:42.240 --> 1:15:47.280 Stop contributing. We'll never leave. Yeah, we got no, it 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:50.160 should be one point like six four. 1:15:52.160 --> 1:15:54.040 Just because we have to wrap up. I will simply 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:56.880 say one and a half nipples, and I give one 1:15:57.160 --> 1:16:01.400 to what's her name Antigony. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:06.320 What? Oh my oh wait, I get it, I. 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.520 Got it, sorry, Iony. 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:16.599 Antagony. Okay, like this is. 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:33.639 We gotta go, we gotta go. Mm hmmm, so Iony Sky. 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:37.040 And then my half nipple goes to Lily Taylor, who 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:39.000 plays Corey An Tikeny. 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:43.160 I can't. I'm gonna give this. Yeah, I'll give it. 1:16:43.240 --> 1:16:46.000 I'll give it, like, I don't know, one and a half, 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.599 maybe even a little one point two five something like that. 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.280 I think that. Yeah, Like, there are things that this 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:53.960 movie is I need to stop looking scared. 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:54.599 Uh. 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:59.000 There are there are ways that this movie is avoiding 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.280 a lot of troopes that we see in the same 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:04.559 era and for decades after. But it is still doing 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:07.320 you know, the pushy thing. It's still doing that, giving 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:10.800 us an interesting central woman who is not allowed to 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:15.240 know other women or care about other women. And I 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:19.080 truly I do think that like the writing of the 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:24.000 father daughter relationship being so bizarrely romantic, is just a 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:26.719 demonstration that the writer does not know how to write 1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:30.880 a healthy relationship between men and women, and I find 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:34.639 that weird. It's also I mean, I mean, it's nineteen 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.600 eighty nine, so but it's like it's it's not an 1:17:37.640 --> 1:17:40.519 inclusive movie whatsoever. It's very much like a movie in 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:43.760 the white middle class in Seattle. There's no you know, 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:47.400 attempted inclusion in any way, shape or for him. It's just, 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:51.920 you know, it's it's a really white hetero movie. And 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:54.680 I'm going to give it. I guess I'll give it 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:57.600 one point two five and I'm giving them giving it 1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:02.320 all to Antagony Beautiful. 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:04.040 Well that's our show. 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:06.719 Yeah, thank you for coming. 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:13.559 Oh okay, that was the show. Thank you again to 1:18:13.880 --> 1:18:17.559 Curious Comedy Theater, to Stacy who runs the venue, to 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:21.040 all the staff there, and to the All Jane Comedy Festival, 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.960 which this was the final All Jane Comedy Festival. However, 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:27.280 it was something that I was aware of since I 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:32.000 started comedy as just one of the few festival spaces 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:35.040 that was reserved specifically for women and fems. It was 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:39.120 very welcoming and cool, and it felt it was an 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:43.000 honor to do the festival and it's a testament to stacy. 1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:47.920 So indeed, you can't go now, but you really missed out. 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:50.680 It was cool. You can't go to the festival, but 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:53.679 you can still go to Curious Comedy Theater, So check 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.120 them out if you're ever in Portland or if you 1:18:56.160 --> 1:19:00.759 live in or nearby. And also just thanks to everyone 1:19:00.760 --> 1:19:05.120 who came out to the show, who watched the live stream, 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:08.520 and then once again you can grab on demand tickets. 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:11.920 You'll see some of that extra stuff that we cut 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:15.360 out of the audio only episode. 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:17.480 I think some of our best fits. 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:18.800 Yeah, some really good stuff. 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:21.080 One of our best on stage bits, you'll want to 1:19:21.120 --> 1:19:21.479 see it. 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:24.120 A few things that we didn't get to in the 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:28.320 live show really quickly. I would be remiss not to 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:34.240 mention the guidance counselor showing up to the high school party. 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:38.679 Yes, why a trope we still have not gotten rid 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:41.920 of today. As recently as Books Smart, we still had 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:45.320 teachers showing up to the party uncritically. It is so 1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:51.040 fucking bizarre. And also, I mean, to that point not 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:54.200 really fun live show talk, but I feel like really 1:19:54.320 --> 1:20:00.679 encourages an unhealthy relationship between teachers and students. That kid, 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:05.400 you know, sort of normalized grooming tactics. So yeah, I 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:07.599 don't know the teacher at my high school that went 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:09.799 to parties was a groomer. 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:10.840 Yikes. 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:14.799 Yeah, teachers don't go to student parties if they're regular. 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:21.920 Yes, And then we touched on this in the episode, 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:26.400 but I feel like it might be worth just saying 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:32.680 a little further. The gals in the movie, Uh, you know, 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:37.960 We've got Corey played by Lily Taylor. She's Lloyd's best friend, 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:43.920 mostly just characterized by being obsessed with Lloyd and also 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.479 being obsessed with the guy who broke her heart. She 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.679 plays all those songs that she's written on the guitar 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:51.200 about him. 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:53.599 And I also, I mean I think that, yeah, speaking 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:57.719 to Corey's character, I think that a lot of people, 1:20:57.760 --> 1:21:00.320 I mean, at least I was seeing just like what's 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:03.800 been written about this movie and what our audience said 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:06.599 after the episode was that a lot of people saw 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:10.360 themselves in Corey. And also like to the point where 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:13.479 it's like we would have even more people would have 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:15.519 seen themselves in Corey if she had been given a 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:19.479 proper arc, because I love like we were talked like 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:21.360 I think we talked about during the show, like it 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:25.320 is cool that she and Lloyd have a truly platonic 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:28.040 friendship between a man and a woman, something we never 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.400 ever ever get to see without it being like will 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:34.000 they or won't they? It never is like she I mean, 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:37.680 it is an issue that her defining character trait is 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:40.960 that she thinks Lloyd is a great guy. But I 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:43.600 do think it's cool that they both really like and 1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:46.920 respect each other and it's a friendship and it like 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:49.639 and it's not presented as a threat or a will 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:52.240 there won't they? Or something that you know, even today 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:55.200 is still a pretty rare dynamic to see in movies. 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:58.880 But I think that, like again, we just have the 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.599 case with Corey because I like Corey's character a lot, 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.960 but we only see her really in spite of the 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:07.679 fact that if like we see her mostly talking to women, 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:12.680 she exists mostly in relations to men. Because I have 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:17.479 no issue with like writing torrid shitty poetry about a 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:21.280 horrible relationship, like you know, most people have done it 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:23.800 at some point. Sure, sure, but for that to be 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:25.720 like the only thing we get to know about her, 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:28.360 when it would it would have been so easy to 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.880 build out a friendship between her and Diana, between you 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:34.719 know her and and DC or like you know people 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:36.240 we see her with, but we don't know what the 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:38.840 friendship dynamic is other than hanging out all day and 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:42.960 being like Lloyd is slaying so hard today yet again? 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:47.439 Uh DC, a character who we know even less about, 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:51.479 Oh for sure. So that was not great and I 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:53.360 just wanted to take a little bit more time than 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:59.160 we had in the live show to examine that. But yeah, 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:01.960 that's our episodiode on say anything. 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:05.800 And I think you'll agree we said whatever in that 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:06.519 is it? 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.840 We kind of said anything, but we also said everything. 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:17.519 Wow. Whoa, Well goodbye? No wait, you can follow us online. 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:21.840 It's on Instagram, ed, still Twitter sometimes at Bechdel Cast. 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:25.720 You can sign up for our Patreon aka Matreon at 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.639 patreon dot com slash Bechtel Cast. Five dollars a month 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:33.360 gets you two bonus episodes a month. Yay, including access 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:38.240 to one hundred and fifty episodes of backlog. 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