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Speaker 1: On The Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are

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Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and Beast start changing

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Speaker 2: it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow Wow, look at us, We look at us.

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Speaker 3: We're saying anything, Kitlin.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I've always loved about you is

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Speaker 1: that you'll say kind of anything.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a version of say anything that's

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Speaker 1: about like a shock jock. You know, this guy'll say.

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Speaker 3: And he's not afraid to say it like it is.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a Joe Rogan biopic title when you think

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Speaker 1: about it, because that man simply does be saying anything.

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Speaker 1: He really does, he'd be saying so many things. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is jam Loftus and

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Speaker 1: my name is.

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Speaker 3: Kaydarante, and we are doing a little intro for a

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Speaker 3: show that we did live in Portland. So most of

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Speaker 3: this episode is the live show, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: kind of really all we need to say to introduce it.

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Speaker 1: I think so yeah. I mean, we were in Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: We were at one of our favorite places curious comedy

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Speaker 1: theaters support them if you're in the area. And we

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Speaker 1: didn't have a guest on this show, and that's because

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Speaker 1: we are special.

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Speaker 3: Weird, so strong and independent.

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Speaker 1: We watched this movie and we're like, it's a love

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Speaker 1: story between a father and his daughter. We've got this one.

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Speaker 1: We've got this one, and we put on our little

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Speaker 1: outfits and we do do doot it out to stage.

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Speaker 1: And actually, what I will say before that, if you

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Speaker 1: want to see us do doot dude out on stage,

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Speaker 1: we are asking a bunch of tour dates for next

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Speaker 1: year coming up soon as well as in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: on December tenth. If you're in town, we're covering It's

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Speaker 1: a Wonderful Life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles. Ever heard of it?

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Speaker 3: On December tenth. Tickets for that are on sale. You

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Speaker 3: can grab them on our link tree, link tree slash

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Speaker 3: Bechtel Cast and uh yeah, stay tuned for more tour dates.

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Speaker 3: And also if you want to see us out on

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Speaker 3: stage for this specific show that you're about to hear

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Speaker 3: the episode for, Let's say you want a visual aid

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Speaker 3: or you just want to see more stuff because we

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Speaker 3: cut out some like fun and games from the audio

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Speaker 3: version of the episode, but that you can see in

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Speaker 3: video format you can buy on demand tickets. The link

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Speaker 3: for that will also be on our link tree.

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Speaker 1: So yes, and we looked so so please enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: But but if you know, if you want to just

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Speaker 1: listen in the ca we had to stand and here

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Speaker 1: we are saying quite literally.

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Speaker 3: Any anything.

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Speaker 2: The bedellcast.

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Speaker 1: So before we started the show, I just want to

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Speaker 1: do some housekeeping. We've received some really excellent treats. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, first of all, we love being in

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Speaker 1: Absolutely love doing shows here. We literally do shows here

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Speaker 1: more so than where we live. Yeah, it's we really

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Speaker 1: love it here. We we love get to hang out

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Speaker 1: if you were here earlier this year, all right, welcome

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Speaker 1: back some returning friends. Yeah, and so you'll remember that,

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Speaker 1: you know, there were a number of hot dogs brought

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Speaker 1: and that's a dangerous place to be.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this is.

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Speaker 1: But I got one of the most pleasant messages in

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Speaker 1: the entire world from a man named Julian from Old

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Speaker 1: So I would like to present to you and offer

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Speaker 1: We've got some plates. I just really want to spread

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Speaker 3: It sure is. Yes, So thanks once again to you

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, how stinky is that pizza? And You're like, oh, baby,

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Speaker 1: you have no idea. It is a stinky pizza. And

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Speaker 1: I mean that is a big compliment. Yes, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: has anyone here never listened to our show before? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you raised your hand? A couple of hands coming up.

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Speaker 1: This is really fun because I've never heard someone put

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Speaker 1: their hands together. It's just just a shameful, shaky race

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Speaker 1: It is not a big deal. It's probably you're like

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Speaker 1: what that is so true.

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Speaker 3: We are the Bechtel Cast. We analyze movies through an

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Speaker 3: intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping

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Speaker 3: off point. Well, Jimie, what is that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I will tell you. It is a media metric created

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Speaker 1: by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of versions of the test, but basically

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Speaker 1: the incredible comic collection Dikes to Watch Out For. I knew,

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Speaker 1: Portland is cool. Yeah, there's a lot of versions of

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Speaker 1: I was requested to make an exception for this movie specifically,

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Speaker 1: here has seen Say Anything? Give it up? By round

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Speaker 3: Who has not ever seen the movies? By round of applause. Guys,

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Speaker 3: It's fun. Okay, it seems like kind of halfway split.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know that my mouth can make that shake?

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Speaker 1: Can I wash your mouth? Can you do it again?

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Speaker 3: Let me help you break it down. Yeah, you win,

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Speaker 3: you and McGregor. You win, McGregor, Ewan McGregor.

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Speaker 3: We have to move on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right?

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Speaker 3: Shall I do the recap? Are we ready for the recap?

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Speaker 1: Caitlin's famous recap? All right, and while you do that,

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Speaker 1: guess it's just you too.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, we need to talk. Okay. I

435
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: know that, Like I've seen this movie praise repeatedly for

436
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: like wow, a positive like father daughter relationship for a

437
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: good chunk of this movie. But I's just like, okay,

438
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: im okay, Caitlyn, I'm gonna ask you a question. When

439
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you lost your virginity?

440
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

441
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: How long was it until your parents' news slash? Did

442
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: they ever know?

443
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: My mom never never found out about the instance of

444
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: me losing my virginity, but she did found out find

445
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: out when I was sexually active when I was in college,

446
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: because she was like, you're getting a lot of UTI's.

447
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: It's a great conversation starter. Go Lriie. I hope she

448
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't even I hope she didn't even say hello.

449
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 3: She's like, I have a question to ask you. Are

450
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: you sexually active? And I was like, yeah, did you?

451
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: Did you Shaka?

452
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: She was like, Fucky bro high fived me and.

453
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: You chest bumped and then you guys exactly.

454
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: We took like twelve shots of Jamison.

455
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: I told so I was trying to like figure out

456
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: my head, how weird is what happens in this movie

457
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: because I told my mom before I lost my virginity

458
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: that sometime in the near future I would hu but

459
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I needed help buying a plane ticket, and so she

460
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: I needed to use I needed to use her credit

461
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: card to buy a plane ticket so I could lose

462
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: my virginity, and so she like it was like a hole.

463
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, an FBI operation for me

464
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: to ultimately get a UTI as you were saying, and

465
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: find out I was allergic to latex. But there it's

466
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I lived. But but what happens here? I feel like,

467
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: whether it's like before after whatever. In this scene, Diane

468
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: is coming home to her father, who is Fraser's father, yes,

469
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: making her Fraser's sister. Before she has like taken a

470
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: shower after losing her virginity, She's like, Dad, I have

471
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: to tell you something. I fucked John Cusack. And then he,

472
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: like to his credit, is like oh, because how do

473
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: you react to that? He doesn't slust shame her. He

474
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything. He's just but he also seems to

475
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: find it we doesn't she say anything? He didn't. I

476
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: guess he doesn't, does he? He does not say anything.

477
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: He instead stares at her saying with his eyes anything,

478
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: which is, why are you telling me this before you've

479
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: take in a shower. I'd like, I just feel like,

480
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, be as open with your parents as you're

481
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: comfortable with. But if you've just if you've just fucked

482
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: at any time, yeah, shower before talking to your dad.

483
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: And maybe that's old fashioned of me. No, I think

484
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: you want to walk in the house stinking of come

485
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: But I just I was just I was beside myself

486
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: and then and then that scene resolves by her being like,

487
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: I feel so much better.

488
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's like, I can say anything to you dad.

489
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: It is, I mean, operates on my theory that the

490
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: central weird romance in this movie is in fact between

491
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Rasier's dad and Diane.

492
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: A dad and his daughter. His daughter is daughter.

493
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: I just rewatched Mystic River and so I was like

494
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: mainlining my daughter for like seven hours or however long.

495
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: That movie is just Sean Penn swaling, My.

496
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: God, why didn't you watch that?

497
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I was homesick, Fair popped it on.

498
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: You know.

499
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: The point is, yes, if you've just been dicked down

500
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: in the backseat of a car, if you want to

501
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: tell your dad about it, fine, I guess, but take

502
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: a show.

503
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: You gotta hit the showers, and your dad shouldn't be

504
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: like I don't know again, but like I would be

505
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: if I if I was sharing that information with my

506
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: with my one father, I would not want him to

507
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: be like thrilled, I don't know.

508
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: It.

509
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: That scene really is going to stick in my craw

510
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: for a long time to come.

511
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it for they're in a bit. In

512
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: the meantime, Diane has told her dad that she has

513
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: had sex. Meanwhile, sniffing the air, He's like, oh growth. Meanwhile,

514
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: Lloyd's friends find out that he had sex, and his

515
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: friend Corey is like, you have to do something really

516
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: romantic for Diane now, So he writes her a letter,

517
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: pouring his heart out to her.

518
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Again an incredible moment because Corey reads the letter. It's

519
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: two sentences long. I love Corey. I think is like

520
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: my favorite character in the movie, and we'll talk about her.

521
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I really adore her. But her function in most scenes

522
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: is to tell Lloyd he is awesome. Yeah, tell him

523
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: he's the most amazing person to ever be born. And

524
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: she reads this bogus letter he's written where it's like, Hi, Diane,

525
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: you are pretty I love you yeah, and loves Lloyd.

526
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, She's like, okay Shakespeare and yeah,

527
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: she's just like her function is to gaslod up when

528
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: he's being you know, kind of just like.

529
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: A guy exactly. Okay. So he sends off this letter,

530
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: but it's not long before Diane leaves for England to

531
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: go to uh school that we don't.

532
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: Leave to city, England to go to school subject.

533
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: And so she's confused about what to do because she

534
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: loves Lloyd, but she decides to break up with him,

535
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: and she gives him a pen as a parting gift.

536
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: She's a stone cold, which is also her dad's idea. Yes,

537
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: the breakup also her dad's idea.

538
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: Here's a little fun little story that relates back to

539
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: the person I lost my virginity with in high school,

540
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: which is like.

541
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Government name gut No King.

542
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: So I broke up with him at some point and

543
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: you got brave of me, and he was really heartbroken

544
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: about it. And I was so cold because he sent

545
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: me this like essay that he had to write for

546
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: English class and it was about how he was so

547
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: in love with me and he he cheated on me

548
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: back when I believed that monogamy was a thing. Anyway.

549
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Wait, now give me his government anyway.

550
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: So he sent me this letter and I proofread it,

551
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: made a bunch of like red pen marks, and I'm sent.

552
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: It back.

553
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: Brutal.

554
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, did you return it to him?

555
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I said, here, we're all of you are

556
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: errors and grammar and spelling.

557
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: That's the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life.

558
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: That's really exciting. Thank you, Thank you very mucham. Yes,

559
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: I got broke. I got the guy. I lost my

560
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: Virginia too, broke up with me because I was taking

561
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: up the time he needed to practice the saxophone. So

562
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: I guess you know, it takes all kinds.

563
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So Diane has broken up with Lloyd. She

564
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: is upset about it. He's devastated. He's driving around in

565
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: the rain, he's trying to make sense of things. He's

566
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: kind of recording a podcast at one point he is,

567
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: and then he's like, well, let's see what some men

568
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: have to say about this. But they give him bad

569
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: advice on how to deal with that.

570
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: Including a jump scared Jeremy Piven, Oh, Jeremy Piven in

571
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: like a fedora, being like women are bitches, and you're like, whoa, okay,

572
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: very scary. Yeah, so he is.

573
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: You know, he's driving around and having feelings. He tries

574
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: to call Diane several times. He's leaving messages, and then

575
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: we get the iconic scene where he goes to her house.

576
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: He stands outside the window with the stereo over his

577
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: head playing in your Eyes, which is the sign Blade

578
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: when they were having Sang and his Avis one hundred

579
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: us room. And then you watch the scene and you're like,

580
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: she doesn't even get out of bed, she just stays

581
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: in bed. He just stands there for a while.

582
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: Cut to inspiring hey militia of creepy teenage boys to be.

583
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: Like, oh, just show up, show up, She'll stay the

584
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: play loud music that's waking up the neighbors.

585
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so nimbi vibes.

586
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: Then we cut to Diane going to see this IRS

587
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: guy who tells her that they have proof that her

588
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: dad has been stealing money four years from people at

589
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: the nursing home that he runs. So Diane goes home.

590
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 3: She snoops around her dad's stuff and finds a huge

591
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: stash of cash.

592
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: He thought he was going to fool the Valedictorian mistake

593
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: number one. She also at no point takes off her

594
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: diamond ring, even though it's clear that her diamond ring

595
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: was purchased with dead people money.

596
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

597
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

598
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 3: So she confronts her dad, being like, you're a liar

599
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: and a thief and he's like, what's the big deal?

600
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: I did this for you.

601
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: It's like, Fraser gets a lot of residuals. We'll make

602
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: up for it. It's fine.

603
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: So she storms out, and then she goes to the

604
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: gym where Lloyd is trying to have a kickboxing career,

605
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: and she's like I want you, I need you, I

606
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: love you, and he's like, okay, cool.

607
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: I really like that scene. It felt like very kind

608
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: of close to authentic of like how weird teenage doomed

609
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: relationships work, where he's like, are you saying this because

610
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: you want me or because you want someone? And then

611
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: he like thinks about it for a second and is like,

612
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to know the answer to that question.

613
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Can we have sex again? And you're like, you know

614
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: that is the referee response.

615
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes. So then h Frazier's daddy gets sent to jail,

616
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: Lloyd pays him a visit to be like, by the way,

617
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to England with your daughter and the thing

618
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: that I want to do for a living is be

619
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: her boyfriend.

620
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, let him cook because that's a like,

621
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: that's the idea of someone whose job it is to

622
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: be my boy boyfriend is incredible and there are no

623
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: benefits to it.

624
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: No, you do not get dental.

625
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: No, there's no dental for boyfriend. But I was like,

626
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: all right, cool, good for him.

627
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: Right, And then Diane shows up to the prison yard

628
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: and she gives her dad the pen that he had

629
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: that she had originally given to Lloyd.

630
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like Lloyd, she's in love with her dad.

631
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: This scene also plays out very romantically and breakup scene. Yeah,

632
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: and Lloyd is like on the sidelines being like nice,

633
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: she broke up with her dad and now we can

634
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: be together.

635
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: And then she and Lloyd go to England. There's a

636
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: scene where they're in the plane. She's a nervous flyer,

637
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: but he's like, don't worry, babe, I'll keep you safe

638
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: ding the end.

639
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: The end and not say anything there.

640
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: Thank Shall we discuss, let's discuss, shall let's let's discuss.

641
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: Should we start with I don't know Diane and Lloyd

642
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 3: in their relationship.

643
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so I okay with Diane. I is interesting

644
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: watching this movie because I feel like the way that

645
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: it's written, because I hadn't seen it, and based on

646
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: all of the marketing, based on like the most famous

647
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: image from the movie and all this stuff, you're led

648
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: to believe that like Lloyd is the you know, undisputed

649
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: protagonist of this movie. But like, I feel like it

650
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: is pretty clearly Diane and the way of like who

651
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: has the arc, who are we spending the most time with,

652
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: whose feelings changed the most over the course of the movie,

653
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: Like Lloyd is pretty like consistent throughout the Like I

654
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: don't think that he I mean, I think he does

655
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: grow and change a little bit. But like Diane's the

656
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: one who's really like going through it the entire movie,

657
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: and she's not, like I think that the you know,

658
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: the most famous images from these movies, like you, she's

659
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: not in it. And it feels like a weird example

660
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: of how it's it's not necessarily a fault of the

661
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: movie itself that Diane is kind of sidelined in the

662
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: way this movie is remembered, but the way that the

663
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: marketing is, and the way that it's publicly remembered doesn't

664
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: include kind of the most impactful character.

665
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it treats Lloyd as if he's the protagonist,

666
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: and I think I wonder if that has anything to

667
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: do with like John Cussett going on to have a

668
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: more substantial career, the way the way that like many

669
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: male actors are like you get to have a career

670
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: because men are actually written parts in movies and women

671
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: aren't so much, so it's harder for them to become

672
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: like notable actors.

673
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: But like it's frustrating because Diane does have like an interest.

674
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I think she's an interesting character, and I think it

675
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: is just more what is focused on That feels weird

676
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of interesting stuff with Diane. I

677
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: feel like she and I guess I don't. I don't

678
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: fully think I know how aware the writing of the

679
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: movie is of this, But it feels like Diane is

680
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: this like character. She's like a like brilliant young woman

681
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: who and the two main men in her life are

682
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: trying to like live their lives through her by their

683
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: own rules, and that is like the main thing that

684
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: she is struggling with throughout the movie. Is like she's

685
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: with her dad. She wants to you know, she loves him,

686
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: she wants to make him happy, she wants to meet

687
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: his expectations, but it doesn't quite match. And then with Lloyd,

688
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: she's repeatedly trying to set boundaries with him. Uh and

689
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, timmy Fair, it does seem like she wants

690
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: to be around him and is doing what she things

691
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: she needs to do, but it's like she's just struggling

692
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: with the expectations of men she cares about for the

693
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: entire movie, which is an interesting premise, but it like

694
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: it just kind of bears out in this weird way.

695
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way that I don't find very satisfying. Yeah,

696
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: I as far as like teen romance movies go, because

697
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: the bar is Solow and some of them are very

698
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: predicated on an extremely scary and predatory you know, lie

699
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: or bet or some kind of just like stalker situation.

700
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: This one feels on the less problematic side. Yeah, that's

701
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: saying something because it's still like, well, he's not respecting

702
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 3: her boundaries a lot of the time, and he keeps

703
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: kind of like being like, well, yeah, you just said

704
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: that you don't want a social life, and that you

705
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: just want to be friends, but what if we kiss

706
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: a bunch and then have sex in the back of

707
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: a car?

708
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: Right? I agree that it was like Lloyd is not

709
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: the most respectful Boundaries character ever, but it also felt

710
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: like he is, Like it at least felt reflective of

711
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: reality enough, and like I remember having teenage interactions like

712
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: that and Diane. I don't know, I just feel like

713
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Diane kind of gets lost in the shuffle sometimes in

714
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: a way that's frustrating. And then for me, like for

715
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: teen romance, it's really frustrating that Lloyd is not a

716
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: one hundred year old vampire, and so it's already kind

717
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: of like, so, why would I watch this? I don't understand.

718
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Did that occur to you at any point? He wasn't

719
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: really a member of the Cullen family, I would say, yeah,

720
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: And so it is kind of challenging to get invested

721
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: in that romance.

722
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 3: So why even set the movie in Washington States?

723
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Fucking exactly, don't waste my time. If it's in Washington State,

724
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm assuming there is a level of immortality. There's simply

725
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: one of the characters. And I was really disappointed that

726
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: it did seem like they were you know both Mortal Mortal. Yeah,

727
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: and so that was that was a bummer, but but yeah,

728
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I think Diana is like a

729
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: really interesting character, but the yeah, the way she's treated

730
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: by the story is kind of I don't know, like

731
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: it's disappointing. She doesn't have any friends to bounce stuff

732
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: off of. Not that that doesn't happen in high school,

733
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: but I think like for the sake of the movie,

734
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: it would have been I think helpful for the audience

735
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: and good for just developing a character to have her

736
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: have someone outside of these two men in her life. Yeah,

737
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: to get an idea of who she is. It feels

738
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: like Princess. Like I feel like we talk about Princess

739
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Leiah in the terms in terms of that where it's like,

740
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: here's this really interesting lead character who is a woman,

741
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: but we're only going to give her men to talk to.

742
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: We're not going to give her an interior life outside

743
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: of her really reationship to these men for reasons unclear.

744
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: Right, And then the movie does kind of address the

745
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: fact that she does she hasn't made any friends in

746
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: high school and it's because she sort of like secluded

747
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: herself or she didn't put herself out there, and this

748
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: party was like her first chance to meet people, and

749
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: now she finally feels like she like some people know her.

750
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: But then after she comes to that realization or she

751
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: has kind of like taken herself out of her comfort zone,

752
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: she proceeds to then get to know exactly one person

753
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: and it's a guy who's just extremely persistent at her.

754
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Right. Well, that was I felt like there was promise,

755
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: and we have exactly because I think that in Lloyd's

756
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, in spite of the fact that if like

757
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Lloyd has less of an ARC, we know more people

758
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: in his life and in his circle. We know his sister,

759
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: who is his actual sister, Constance. I think her name

760
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: is played by John Cusack. We know his best friend Corey,

761
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: we know his other friend DC. We know a number

762
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: of people in his life, and he mostly has close

763
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: relationships friendship family wise with women. But yeah, interm and

764
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: we get one scene between Lloyd's best friend Corey and

765
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: Diane that I felt like was really cool and promising

766
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: of like, oh, maybe they will become friends and that

767
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: would be a way to bring her closer to Lloyd

768
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: if you know, they become friends. But The only thing

769
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: that happens in that scene is like, is Corey does

770
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: the function of her character, which is to be like, wow,

771
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say that Lloyd is like the most epic

772
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: awesome guy in the world. And Diane's like, hmm, you're

773
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: right about that, and then like that's that's the only

774
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: scene we get them together, which sucks because it's like

775
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it's seeing like two interesting women just pass like ships

776
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: in the night, you know, on to more boring plot

777
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: points and you're like, no, stay talk about your feelings

778
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: on Roe v. Wade, you know, like give me something,

779
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: but they give me nothing.

780
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: They don't.

781
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disappointing.

782
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: Yes, so I guess where I land on. It is

783
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: the romance. We've seen worse examples in teen rom coms.

784
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: But like you said, it's just her. It is Diane's story.

785
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: She feels like the protagonist to me, but it's all

786
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: about these men who are just kind of like inserting

787
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: themselves in her life or just like inserting their expectations

788
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: in her life, and she doesn't really challenge them very much,

789
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: and she's just like, yep, all allow it.

790
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's not even I would I would say that

791
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: she does challenge it at different points, but she is

792
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: like doesn't successfully push out of it right in a

793
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: way that does. The script doesn't feel fully aware of,

794
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: like it's it's we're made to believe that like this

795
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: ending for Diane is kind of the best case scenario

796
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: when there I feel like are of opportunities for her

797
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: to push back more, make connections with other people, and

798
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like there were more

799
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: interesting things. And then also watching the relationship, I also

800
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: think the most interesting relationship in the movie also does

801
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: not involve Lloyd. I think the most interesting relationship is

802
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: I know, we've like talked a lot of shit about

803
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: it because he is trying to marry her. But like

804
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Diane and her father's dynamic is really interesting, and I

805
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: feel like there is like a really I don't know,

806
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I can't think of a lot of I mean, except

807
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: the entire series of Succession. I can't think of like,

808
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot of stories about like

809
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: a daughter getting to know like who idolized as a parent,

810
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: having that illusion completely shattered and having to deal with that,

811
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Like that's a really interesting thing to explore, especially because

812
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: like Diane has really dictated the way that she has

813
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: lived and we know this about her because she says

814
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: it to Lloyd at seven eleven in which incredible detail.

815
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, did they get stuff off the rollers? Like?

816
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: When did they get a white claw? Did white claw exist?

817
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: They're all these things right, Yeah, I had a lot

818
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: of questions. They left seven eleven, but they weren't holding

819
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: a delicious snack. That was interesting. Yeah, I went to

820
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: seven eleven the other night and brag, thank you, I

821
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: was on a date. It's like, I need to make

822
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: a stop to get candy corn in a buffalo roller.

823
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: And sorry, that came up involuntarily.

824
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know what their order was there,

825
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: And that is my biggest problem with the movie.

826
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: But the focus is more on well, what the thing

827
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: you're about to say? But then also the parking lot

828
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 3: moment where he was just like, watch out, there's glass

829
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: and he just kind of kicks it out of the way.

830
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: She walks around it, and then later in the movie

831
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: she's like, the reason I know that he's such a

832
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: good guy is that he didn't let me step in glass.

833
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: That that was so okay.

834
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

835
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: Those scenes are so fun to watch because they are

836
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: like nonsensical and you can just imagine like Cameron Crow

837
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: at his like computer being like, yes, this is so good,

838
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: like this is what women require. He really thought he

839
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: was he was he was doing something there. I just

840
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, truly the old A great

841
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: cinematic example of accepting crumbs is like, Wow, that guy

842
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't want me to step on glass. I could see,

843
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: like I better let him follow me around like just

844
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: a real a real bummer. But yeah, I mean, I

845
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: think ultimate the more interesting relationship, if if this movie

846
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: absolutely has to choose, a relationship between Diane and a

847
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: man in her life is the relationship with her dad,

848
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: because in that same scene, she explains to Lloyd that, like,

849
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: it seems like part of the reason she feels so

850
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: connected to her dad is because she was put in

851
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: this through this horrible custody battle where she had to

852
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: choose which parent to live with. She chose to live

853
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: with her dad, she says, because it was easier. We're

854
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: not given any information, but I don't know. Maybe she

855
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to see Frasier. She's like, she.

856
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: Was like it felt like the safe choice. We don't

857
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: know exactly what she means by that, but that's that's

858
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: the only information we have.

859
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: But it's like she's very like at a base lettl

860
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: very invested in making her relationship with her dad work,

861
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: which he seems to, you know, want he wants to

862
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: marry her. But like examining that felt more interesting to

863
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: me than this teenage romance. It just but I don't know.

864
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: And then you get a scene, one scene with Diane

865
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: and her mother and that scenms very What did you

866
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: make of that scene? Because to me, that was another

867
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: scene of like Cameron Crow sitting in a room probably

868
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: with his spouse, not asking her what women might talk about.

869
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: This is one of the scenes I listed under the

870
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: does the movie past the Bechdel Test column? Yeah, because

871
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: there are a handful of interactions with women in the movie,

872
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: and one of them is this scene where Diane is

873
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: talking to her mom. Here's how it goes. They are

874
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: talking about her dad being a criminal, and then the

875
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: mom is like, no, I'd rather talk about you. I

876
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: don't even know if you've got a young man in

877
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: your life, and Diane and Cameron Crow's like yeah. Diane says,

878
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: what's more important than what's going on with dad? And

879
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: then her mom replies if we could just talk about boys,

880
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: everything would be so much easier.

881
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, that's back to back. There's this

882
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: scene is not going anywhere, and then the.

883
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 3: Mom's new husband, I forget his name, he shows up

884
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 3: and then oh, I mean uh huh, and then he

885
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: he's like about to show up, so they start talking

886
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: about him, and then he shows up and cut to

887
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: the next scene. So I didn't like it, is what

888
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

889
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: No, And it's that's especially frustrating because that relationship like

890
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: never comes back, which is bizarre because the reason that

891
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: that scene happens is because Diane is going to her

892
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: mom to say, hey, dad is getting investigated by the

893
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: I r S. If the I r S comes to

894
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: your door, please say something nice about him, like and

895
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: she's and Diane like I and I really like I

896
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: feel for her in that because she's very invested in

897
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: like protecting her father. She very much believes he is innocent,

898
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: and so she's like and that's part of why she

899
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: like originally breaks off the relationship with Lloyd is because

900
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm kind of like really focused on my

901
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: dad not going to white collar jail right now. Yeah,

902
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: And so it's like she's really spending a lot of

903
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: time trying to protect him, and we know that, Like,

904
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much the mom would

905
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: know about what's going on, but it seems like it

906
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: would be relevant to Diane's mother that Fraser's dad goes

907
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: to jail. Yeah, but she never comes back and we

908
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: never get any closure on like where that relationship was left,

909
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: or like any which is frustrating if we are viewing

910
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: Diane as like the protagonist of the movie, but it

911
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: just like leaves all of these loose threads in favor

912
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: of you know, watching Lloyd, I don't know, turn in

913
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: a circle. What does he even do?

914
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: Well, he's kicking and he's punching, doing he kicks.

915
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk about Lloyd.

916
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: Sorry, Well, first I spent the past like two minutes

917
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: trying to is it okay? Which Durst is it? Is

918
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 3: it Robert Robert.

919
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Not Fred okay? So I'm always happy to answer that question.

920
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: So basically, when when Diane is like, my dad innocent,

921
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: it's like how you respond to Robert first, Okay, I

922
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: was trying to make that joke. It has come and gone.

923
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: It's anyway, if there's no point in arguing Robert Durst

924
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: is innocent anymore, because not only is he dead, he

925
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: was guilty. So just kind of a challenging time for me.

926
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: Sorry, but I found that the relationship with her dad

927
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: and just the dad character in general. His name is James, right,

928
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: Jim James Court, James.

929
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I love that your last name is Court and then

930
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: he goes to jail. That's that's iconic writing. That's some

931
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Larry gee Lee level naming of a character. I liked it.

932
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found him to be maybe one of the

933
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: most nuanced characters in the movie because I guess he

934
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 3: just defies a lot of just stereotypes when it comes

935
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: to like dad characters of a teen girl of that era.

936
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: We already talked about the scene where she comes home

937
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: after having sex for the first time with Lloyd. He

938
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: is like, where were you? You didn't call, but he's like,

939
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: like he's in love with her. He's like, I want

940
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: to make sure you're safe, and then he goes he

941
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: like goes on to just explain, you know, I care

942
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: about your safety. It doesn't matter what you were doing.

943
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: And then she says, like, I was having sex, Dad,

944
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 3: and he's like, I okay.

945
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: I would just be like, all right, can we talk

946
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: about this like after you like sleep, but they have

947
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: to talk about it now because it's a movie.

948
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'm just so eager to say anything

949
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: to you. A yay. But I guess, you know, a

950
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 3: typical dad character in a movie like this would have

951
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: a very like slut shamey response and try to like

952
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 3: exert all of.

953
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: That either either a slut shamey response or like where

954
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: is he? I'm gonna kill him?

955
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 3: That's my thune, you know exactly.

956
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: I just watched mister Grimver. That's what he does.

957
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 3: So he doesn't do that. He's just mostly concerned about

958
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: her safety because she doesn't she didn't call like she

959
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: always calls, right. And then there's a later scene that

960
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: also his behavior surprised me where she is saying that

961
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: she's not sure if she should take this fellowship in

962
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: England after all, and I will say, I guess going

963
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: back to the relationship between her and Lloyd, I was

964
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: because I didn't really remember how this movie pans out,

965
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: and I was worried as I was watching it this

966
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: time that she would be like, never mind, I don't

967
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 3: need to go to England. I've got my professional boyfriend

968
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: who professionally wants to be my boyfriend and.

969
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: I and as that is not a paying position, I

970
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: will suppose I will have to support him in his

971
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: endeavor to be around.

972
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: So I was really worried that like she was not

973
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: going to take the opportunity, and like pursuer education, she

974
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: does do it. He tags along, which you know, you

975
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: can feel about any which way, but I was happy

976
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: that at least she like went through with her plans. Yeah,

977
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: in any case, So she's like, I don't know if

978
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: I should go to.

979
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: School, college, school, university to study question mark, Oh my god,

980
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: which again is like that's a really easy detail to

981
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: give and we were not given it. And I feel

982
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: like that if it was Lloyd, we would know what

983
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: he was studying and what he was interested in, because

984
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: we know that he wants to be a kickboxer, even

985
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: though that has no relevance to fucking anything. Diane's like,

986
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, ambitions have a lot to do with the movie,

987
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: and we don't know what they actually are, right, Yeah, I.

988
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: Wonder if like Oxford University read it was like originally

989
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: that in the script and then they're like, don't besmircharge.

990
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: Your fucking mouth crow. That would be really funny. That

991
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: would be such a weird, uh weird antagonistic thing to

992
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: do in any case, Okay, I don't like fast times

993
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: at Ridgemont High.

994
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: So she's saying she's not sure if she should go

995
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: to England, and she does kind of it seems like

996
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: she's implying, oh, maybe also one of the reasons I

997
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: don't want to go not only are you under criminal investigation, dad,

998
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: but also I love this guy. And then when he

999
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: finds that out, when when her dad realizes that she

1000
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: loves him, he kind of pivots because prior to that

1001
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, he's not good enough for you.

1002
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: He's always just kicking and punching, and you're too smart

1003
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: for him. And then which is true, to be fair, true,

1004
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: But then he like when she says I love him,

1005
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: he respects the gravity of the situation, He respects her feelings.

1006
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: He doesn't like try to question her feelings. He is like, oh, wow,

1007
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: maybe I'm being like really selfish here, Why am I

1008
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: fixated on this? Like I owe you an apology, he says.

1009
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: But then the one sentence we never hear it's amazing.

1010
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but and then a few minutes later he turns

1011
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: out to be embezzling money from a very vulnerable group

1012
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: of people. So so it's complicated. You know, some of

1013
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: history's greatest monsters were pretty decent parents. And Fraser's dad, well,

1014
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: Fraser's dad was a great dad, but he was a

1015
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: retired Seattle So you know, they're this is a sort

1016
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: of a through line. Thank you for your heads for

1017
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: I was proud of making that connection as well.

1018
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like it was a unique father daughter relationship.

1019
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: But again, I don't know, I don't know. I feel

1020
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: like coding it as romantic was so avoidable, and I'm like,

1021
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: not even joking because like down to post production whoever,

1022
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know off the top of my head, who

1023
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: can pose the music? But what the fuck were they thinking,

1024
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: like when they were like all right, all right, father, father,

1025
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna need something a little sexy. Why

1026
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: like some sort of like longing romanticizing?

1027
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: The blocking is often weird, just the writing choice to

1028
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: make her I'm sorry the way of your dad's have

1029
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 3: given you a diamond ring.

1030
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: No, if your dad is giving you a diamond ring,

1031
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: like you have to consider he could have been embezzling

1032
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: money from old people. I think, I hope this is

1033
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: a wake up call for anyone in this room was

1034
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: received a diamond ring from their father. It's weird. It's weird.

1035
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 3: Weird choices were made all around. Let's talk about Lloyd

1036
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: really quick, Okay.

1037
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I Lloyd is an interesting character to be because I

1038
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: do think that like I don't know, like Lloyd and

1039
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: this movie have been through so many rounds of critical appraisal,

1040
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: or I think this movie was pretty beloved when it

1041
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: came out. I think Lloyd does sort of defy a

1042
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: number of common rom com stereotypes with a male lead,

1043
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: where like you're saying, there's no bet, there's no central lie,

1044
01:01:54,160 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: but he still is pushy and still you know, push

1045
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: past a lot of Diane's boundaries and is rewarded for

1046
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: that behavior. And then on the other hand, you have

1047
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: What I like about Lloyd is the fact that something

1048
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: we I think very rarely see in teen movies, which

1049
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: is that he has a close friend who is a

1050
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: woman who he is not. Like there's no subtext of like, yeah,

1051
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: she's in love with me, or I even in love

1052
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: with her, Like Corey is his closest friend. And she's

1053
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: an interesting character in her own right, but like there

1054
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: is no like it presents the simple truth that men

1055
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: and women can be friends. Yeah, in a way that

1056
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: is like not you know, like longing coated or that

1057
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: there's not this like deep heterosexual you know, physical pain

1058
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: that comes with them being around each other. And then

1059
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: on top of that that, like when that friendship is

1060
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: presented to Diane, she's like, that's it's nice to meet

1061
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: your friend versus like meeting that with extreme jealousy orich.

1062
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: Just like all these tropes we very ordinarily see where

1063
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 1: it just seems like Lloyd is a male character who

1064
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: connects with women easier, which is nice, and that is

1065
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: like not presented as a bad thing. And I also

1066
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: like how Lloyd is from. Like Lloyd's parents aren't really around.

1067
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: They're in the military in Germany, and you're like, well,

1068
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't like this sounds like that there.

1069
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: Right after the fall of the Berlin.

1070
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Wall, and then their politics are not made clear, but

1071
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: they're in the military in Germany in the eighties, and

1072
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: uh so they're you know, out there, and so like

1073
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Floyd and his sister there there. You know, Floyd's sister

1074
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: is a single mom, uh, there's no judgment passed on that.

1075
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: I think my main issue is that they don't let

1076
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: her be a character at all. She's just like vaguely

1077
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: like shrill coded to do Lloyd. In the first she's like,

1078
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: why can't you be an uncle and not a plane mate?

1079
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: And he's like, you used to be fun. Yeah, But

1080
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: but it was like he has like a I think,

1081
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: like kind of like a latch key kid kind of

1082
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: upbringing where his parents weren't really around, and I feel

1083
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: like those characters are very often portrayed to be maladjusted

1084
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: and not people to be around, and I like that

1085
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: Lloyd sort of presents that upbringing in a way that

1086
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: it's like he's generally a thoughtful person and I don't know,

1087
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: like class wise and just upbringing wise, it's like not

1088
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: something I was used to seeing. Sure, So I don't

1089
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: know Lloyd. Lloyd was hidden miss for me, but I

1090
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: do I was rooting for him, especially when he something

1091
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: is so vulnerable about whipping a VHS copy of Cocoon,

1092
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, he's really going for it. Yeah,

1093
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing, but he wants to

1094
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: do something.

1095
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: And this is after and we have to wrap up

1096
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: very soon. But this is after Diane has challenged him

1097
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,959
Speaker 3: for his ageist beliefs. Yes, and she's like literally calls

1098
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: him out with that exact language. She's like, you're being agist,

1099
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: and he says his ass down and then and then

1100
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 3: he was like right, He's like, wow, you're really making

1101
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: me reconsider and maybe I shouldn't be agist. And it's

1102
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: not clear if he actually is like changing his mind

1103
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 3: about this or if he just wants to bust.

1104
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: Right. It's October and busted makes you feel good, Uh, precisely.

1105
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: But but I mean, unfortunately, with due respect to men

1106
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: in the room, I feel like, you know, it is

1107
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: a fake it til you make it situation where it's

1108
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: like I will make you repeat my politics back to

1109
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: me until you somehow believe it.

1110
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: And uh uh huh.

1111
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: And you know it's that's how I wear people down, yeah,

1112
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: by talking about housing justice until they believe in it.

1113
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: And that's how I've weaponized my vagina for good. The

1114
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: other thing I like about Lloyd and I know we

1115
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: have to move on, is there is a critical scene

1116
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: where Lloyd is so he, like you mentioned, he is

1117
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: recording a podcast. He's driving around in his car, recording

1118
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: his thoughts on a cassette player for Corey, for his friend.

1119
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: He's recording a podcast for an audience of one. It

1120
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: is like kind of true crimey where he's like, I'm

1121
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: in the streets and you're like, oh my god, I

1122
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: know people who sound like not know. I've listened to

1123
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: podcasts like that that the people are millionaires for saying

1124
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: equally fucking nothing. You know, I'm in the streets. It's

1125
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: duck out.

1126
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Like he said something like the rain on my car

1127
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 3: is APPTI. We're like, well, brilliant metaphor, sir.

1128
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: When you think about it, I am I do him

1129
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: christ like go off king. But when he is doing that, yeah,

1130
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: like you you alluded to this in the recap. But

1131
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: he says like, maybe I should talk to more men.

1132
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Everyone in my life is a woman, and you're like,

1133
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: well that's going to be a non starter, but let's

1134
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: see what happens and he But the movie bears that

1135
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: out where it's like he goes to this group of

1136
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: like guys is like high schools with any group of guys,

1137
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: Jeremy Piven is there. If you're going to go meet

1138
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: up with some guys, he'll be there and he'll be

1139
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: wearing a little hat. But the list, I know, we

1140
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: were both ready to get down as we were watching

1141
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: it together because, uh, you know, he goes to this

1142
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: group of men. They're hanging out at a gas station

1143
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: talking shit about women, which which is beautiful, beautiful, right.

1144
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: One says you can't trust them. They spend your money

1145
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: and they tell your friends everything. And I'm like, and

1146
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: is that a bad thing there? All you gotta do

1147
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: is find a girl that looks just like her nailer

1148
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: and then dumper. You know what's the mistake. You should

1149
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: have dumped her first. That's Jeremy Piven. Diane Cord is

1150
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: a show pony. You need a stallion man. Literally, Jeremy

1151
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: Piven objectifying women. We hate to see it. But Lloyd

1152
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: does not respond to this by being radicalized by these

1153
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: like gas station losers ideas. He instead challenges it and

1154
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, that's interesting that you have all these

1155
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: thoughts about women when women aren't hanging out with you

1156
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: and you are at a gas station at night, and

1157
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I mean, like that exchange is really cool.

1158
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: And then and then he responds and then like after

1159
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: realizing that talking to men his age is a non

1160
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: starter and that they hate women and don't understand why

1161
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: he goes back to his friends who are women and

1162
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: ask them for advice, and like, I liked that. I

1163
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: thought that was cool.

1164
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I you know, he does blame Corey for

1165
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 3: Diane breaking up with him. Basically, she's like, I hang

1166
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 3: out with too many women and it's your vote, Corey.

1167
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: This is your podcast for You'm yelling at you.

1168
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 3: But I do like that the movie recognizes that all

1169
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: the advice that the men give him is terrible advice,

1170
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 3: and that yes, that Lloyd openly challenges.

1171
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: Them absolutely, And then, uh, because we do have drap

1172
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: up Corey, we'll we'll talk more about her. We'll do

1173
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: we'll record more about her in a later time. But

1174
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: Corey is the fucking coolest character in the movie. Do

1175
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: we have any Corey heads in the house. Okay, she's

1176
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: the best. I also feel like she's a very like,

1177
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: uniquely nineteen eighty nine character where she is Lloyd's best

1178
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: friend and she I feel like, I was like, oh,

1179
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: the character closest to me in high school is Corey,

1180
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: where she has had her heart broken by the same

1181
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: loser repeatedly and is writing horrible poetry about it, and

1182
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: like that is a very recognizable thing. I think that

1183
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: like we'll sort of talk about later on about like

1184
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: the way it's presented. But I just I really liked her,

1185
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: and I felt like we were given some crumbs on

1186
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: how she like on her her personal stuff towards the

1187
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, where it's like there is this

1188
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: one guy who later appears at a gas station being

1189
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: a misogynist, so huge loss for her, but like this

1190
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: this fucking loser who she's written sixty five songs about,

1191
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: and who among us you know that, Like she eventually

1192
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of cuts loose because she realizes that like he's

1193
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: a loser and a liar, and like I thought that

1194
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: was a really interesting start to her care But then

1195
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: the remainder of the movie, she mainly shows up to

1196
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: tell Lloyd various plot points mm hmmm, and to tell

1197
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: him he's cool. Yeah, and that's kind of the most

1198
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: we get from her after like the thirty minute mark.

1199
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, very frustrating.

1200
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. The last thing I wanted to say is just

1201
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,799
Speaker 1: the production of this movie. It is like an interesting

1202
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: movie production wise, but I wanted to just quickly shout

1203
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: out one of the main producers of this movie, Polly Platt.

1204
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: We've got a picture of her here, let's get it.

1205
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: This is She's really cool. I would if you haven't

1206
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: listened to the season of you must remember this about

1207
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: Polly Platt, I would highly highly recommend it. It's so cool.

1208
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: Give it up for her. She is. She had a

1209
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: fucking incredible life, like she I mean, she was done

1210
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: a huge disservice by show business. But this movie came

1211
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: out during this sort of second surge in her career

1212
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: where she was working with James L. Brooks. She worked

1213
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 1: on this movie, she basically discovered Cameron Crowe and Wes Anderson,

1214
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: so you're welcome if those are guys you like. She also,

1215
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: iconically for everyone, discovered The Simpsons and handed it off

1216
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: to James L. Brooks, So we wouldn't have the Simpsons

1217
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: without Polly Platt. She's fucking cool. And she also appears

1218
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: in a cameo in this movie, which is the next slide.

1219
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: You can see that she is in the graduation scene,

1220
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: so there she is. So yay Polly. And we'll link

1221
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: to Karina Longworth's season about her when we release this episode.

1222
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: But Katelin. Yes, does this movie pass the Bechdel test?

1223
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: I think maybe on a small technicality, but I would

1224
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: say spiritually no.

1225
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: Spiritually no, But it does pass between DC and it's

1226
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: not a very impactful exchange. But between DC and Corey

1227
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: there is an exchange in the record store where it

1228
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: be the large context of the conversation is that Diane

1229
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: and Lloyd had sex. Yes, which is, you know, not

1230
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: passing the backful test whatsoever.

1231
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 3: P and V.

1232
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't pass. But Corey's talking over DC, and DC

1233
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: is like, you never let me talk about anything. You

1234
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: never let me speak. And Corey's like, oh, I'm sorry,

1235
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: what do you want to say? And DC is like, well,

1236
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: I forget. And that was impactful to me. Yes, that

1237
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: passes to me. I can relate to that. I've had

1238
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: many interactions like that, demanding yeah, demanding a platform and

1239
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: then being like, oh, I have nothing to contribute.

1240
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 3: But generally, the few times that women do interact in

1241
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 3: this movie, they are usually talking about Lloyd, they are

1242
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 3: talking about Frasier's dad, They're talking about some other guy.

1243
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: It's particularly this is disgusting, Joe, this is it's particularly frustrating.

1244
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: In the conversation between Diane and her mom where there

1245
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,440
Speaker 1: is potential to talk about most anything, and they aggressively

1246
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: only talk about men.

1247
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 3: Right, Or the scene the one interaction between Corey and

1248
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: Diane where they talk about Corey's ex boyfriend Joe for

1249
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 3: a while and then Lloyd.

1250
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about the most important metric to ever exist,

1251
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: which is the Bechdel cast nipple scale?

1252
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: Yes, a zero to five nipples based on sound. Examining

1253
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: the movie through an intersectional feminist lens, I think I'll

1254
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: give this movie. I would say two nipples. I think

1255
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 3: someone gasped. Is that what happens?

1256
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: When you guys listen to this, They're like, they're like, Oh,

1257
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: they're so wrong for that.

1258
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 3: How could they were you expecting me to say higher

1259
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 3: or lower? I made a mistake and this happens.

1260
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, this happens everything. This is why

1261
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: like live shows are nuclear for us, because if I

1262
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: look at you the wrong way, you're like, no.

1263
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: God, no, Well here's my reasoning. Yeah, sounds familiar, And

1264
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm judging this on nineteen eighty nine standards, and it's

1265
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 3: like slightly less problematic than teen rom coms that came

1266
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 3: out ten years later.

1267
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's that the.

1268
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 3: Father daughter relationship, while it is rife with a weird,

1269
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: possibly romantic tension. I do I know two is wrong.

1270
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 3: I'll go down to one and a half.

1271
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: Stop contributing. We'll never leave. Yeah, we got no, it

1272
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: should be one point like six four.

1273
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 3: Just because we have to wrap up. I will simply

1274
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: say one and a half nipples, and I give one

1275
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: to what's her name Antigony.

1276
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: What? Oh my oh wait, I get it, I.

1277
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,520
Speaker 3: Got it, sorry, Iony.

1278
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: Antagony. Okay, like this is.

1279
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 3: We gotta go, we gotta go. Mm hmmm, so Iony Sky.

1280
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 3: And then my half nipple goes to Lily Taylor, who

1281
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: plays Corey An Tikeny.

1282
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm gonna give this. Yeah, I'll give it.

1283
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: I'll give it, like, I don't know, one and a half,

1284
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: maybe even a little one point two five something like that.

1285
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, Like, there are things that this

1286
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: movie is I need to stop looking scared.

1287
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There are there are ways that this movie is avoiding

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Speaker 1: a lot of troopes that we see in the same

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Speaker 1: era and for decades after. But it is still doing

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Speaker 1: you know, the pushy thing. It's still doing that, giving

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Speaker 1: us an interesting central woman who is not allowed to

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Speaker 1: know other women or care about other women. And I

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Speaker 1: truly I do think that like the writing of the

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Speaker 1: father daughter relationship being so bizarrely romantic, is just a

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Speaker 1: demonstration that the writer does not know how to write

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Speaker 1: a healthy relationship between men and women, and I find

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Speaker 1: that weird. It's also I mean, I mean, it's nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine, so but it's like it's it's not an

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Speaker 1: inclusive movie whatsoever. It's very much like a movie in

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Speaker 1: the white middle class in Seattle. There's no you know,

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Speaker 1: attempted inclusion in any way, shape or for him. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a really white hetero movie. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give it. I guess I'll give it

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Speaker 1: one point two five and I'm giving them giving it

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Speaker 1: all to Antagony Beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Well that's our show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that was the show. Thank you again to

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Speaker 3: Curious Comedy Theater, to Stacy who runs the venue, to

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Speaker 3: all the staff there, and to the All Jane Comedy Festival,

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Speaker 3: which this was the final All Jane Comedy Festival. However,

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Speaker 3: it was something that I was aware of since I

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Speaker 3: started comedy as just one of the few festival spaces

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Speaker 3: that was reserved specifically for women and fems. It was

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Speaker 3: very welcoming and cool, and it felt it was an

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Speaker 3: honor to do the festival and it's a testament to stacy.

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Speaker 3: So indeed, you can't go now, but you really missed out.

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Speaker 3: It was cool. You can't go to the festival, but

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Speaker 3: you can still go to Curious Comedy Theater, So check

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Speaker 3: them out if you're ever in Portland or if you

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Speaker 3: live in or nearby. And also just thanks to everyone

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Speaker 3: who came out to the show, who watched the live stream,

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Speaker 3: and then once again you can grab on demand tickets.

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Speaker 3: You'll see some of that extra stuff that we cut

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Speaker 3: out of the audio only episode.

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Speaker 1: I think some of our best fits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: One of our best on stage bits, you'll want to

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Speaker 1: see it.

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Speaker 3: A few things that we didn't get to in the

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Speaker 3: live show really quickly. I would be remiss not to

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Speaker 3: mention the guidance counselor showing up to the high school party.

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Speaker 1: Yes, why a trope we still have not gotten rid

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Speaker 1: of today. As recently as Books Smart, we still had

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Speaker 1: teachers showing up to the party uncritically. It is so

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Speaker 1: fucking bizarre. And also, I mean, to that point not

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Speaker 1: really fun live show talk, but I feel like really

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Speaker 1: encourages an unhealthy relationship between teachers and students. That kid,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of normalized grooming tactics. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know the teacher at my high school that went

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Speaker 1: to parties was a groomer.

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Speaker 3: Yikes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, teachers don't go to student parties if they're regular.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And then we touched on this in the episode,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like it might be worth just saying

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Speaker 3: a little further. The gals in the movie, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: We've got Corey played by Lily Taylor. She's Lloyd's best friend,

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Speaker 3: mostly just characterized by being obsessed with Lloyd and also

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Speaker 3: being obsessed with the guy who broke her heart. She

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Speaker 3: plays all those songs that she's written on the guitar

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Speaker 3: about him.

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Speaker 1: And I also, I mean I think that, yeah, speaking

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Speaker 1: to Corey's character, I think that a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least I was seeing just like what's

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Speaker 1: been written about this movie and what our audience said

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Speaker 1: after the episode was that a lot of people saw

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Speaker 1: themselves in Corey. And also like to the point where

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Speaker 1: it's like we would have even more people would have

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Speaker 1: seen themselves in Corey if she had been given a

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Speaker 1: proper arc, because I love like we were talked like

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about during the show, like it

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Speaker 1: is cool that she and Lloyd have a truly platonic

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Speaker 1: friendship between a man and a woman, something we never

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Speaker 1: ever ever get to see without it being like will

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Speaker 1: they or won't they? It never is like she I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is an issue that her defining character trait is

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Speaker 1: that she thinks Lloyd is a great guy. But I

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Speaker 1: do think it's cool that they both really like and

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Speaker 1: respect each other and it's a friendship and it like

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Speaker 1: and it's not presented as a threat or a will

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Speaker 1: there won't they? Or something that you know, even today

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Speaker 1: is still a pretty rare dynamic to see in movies.

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Speaker 1: But I think that, like again, we just have the

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Speaker 1: case with Corey because I like Corey's character a lot,

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Speaker 1: but we only see her really in spite of the

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Speaker 1: fact that if like we see her mostly talking to women,

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Speaker 1: she exists mostly in relations to men. Because I have

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Speaker 1: no issue with like writing torrid shitty poetry about a

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Speaker 1: horrible relationship, like you know, most people have done it

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Speaker 1: at some point. Sure, sure, but for that to be

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Speaker 1: like the only thing we get to know about her,

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Speaker 1: when it would it would have been so easy to

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Speaker 1: build out a friendship between her and Diana, between you

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Speaker 1: know her and and DC or like you know people

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Speaker 1: we see her with, but we don't know what the

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Speaker 1: friendship dynamic is other than hanging out all day and

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Speaker 1: being like Lloyd is slaying so hard today yet again?

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Speaker 3: Uh DC, a character who we know even less about,

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure. So that was not great and I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to take a little bit more time than

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Speaker 3: we had in the live show to examine that. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's our episodiode on say anything.

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Speaker 1: And I think you'll agree we said whatever in that

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 3: We kind of said anything, but we also said everything.

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