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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points.

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Speaker 3: Emily, great to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 5: I was really focused on my Twitter feed when we started,

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Speaker 5: so that's why I was hunched.

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Speaker 2: Over focus getting the latest that we can bring you

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Speaker 2: all of the breaking news updates. Sager is actually recording

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Speaker 2: with Andrew Schultz for The Flagrant podcast, so that's why

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Speaker 2: he is out today. Bunch of announcements to get to Okay, tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: we are not having our normal show. Instead, we are

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Speaker 2: doing a live stream for the State of the Union.

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Speaker 2: In which I cannot believe is actually tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: It's not technically the State of the.

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Speaker 2: Way, it's the Joint Address to Congress whatever, but it's

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Speaker 2: the State of the Union. And I yeah, I've been

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Speaker 2: kind of denial about it, like it just really there's

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. But we'll all be here, gang, will all be.

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Speaker 2: Here, That is right, we will all be here eight

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Speaker 2: pm Eastern. We'll start the live stream. I think the

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Speaker 2: President is supposed to speak around nine, so we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about whatever's going on beforehand, preview the speech, listen to

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Speaker 2: the speech, react on the other end as we normally do.

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Speaker 3: In addition, another big personal announcement.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to my baby girl, Ella, who is seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I am in total, complete denial about this as well.

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Speaker 5: That you have a seventeen year old and look those

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Speaker 5: amazing stop Chris stops.

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Speaker 4: Trust me.

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Speaker 2: I feel every day and then some of my age,

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Speaker 2: but I am. Yeah, she's beautiful, amazing, so proud of her,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, it's an incredible thing. And one last thing

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Speaker 2: before we jump into the news, Congratulations to the the

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Speaker 2: filmmakers behind No Other Land who won the Oscar for

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Speaker 2: Best Documentary last night. Documentary by a Israeli and a

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Speaker 2: Palestinian about life in the occupied West Bank. Incredible speech

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Speaker 2: that they gave, talking about, you know, the need for

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Speaker 2: one state solution with no supremacy to crying ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: You know, huge applause that the oscars over this, and

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Speaker 2: the crazy thing about it is okay. This is now

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Speaker 2: an Oscar Award winning documentary. Could not find a US

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Speaker 4: Quote unlook, I wonder what will happen now?

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, you think they'll get picked up.

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Speaker 4: It's possible. I mean it's kind of late, but it's possible.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people sends, there's money to be made if

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Speaker 2: People are maybe capitalism will prevail here, that's right, and

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Speaker 2: interested the greater, But all of your hopes in capital

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else we have to put our

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Speaker 3: All right, lots of news to get to.

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Speaker 2: Latest falling from Ukraine, protests all over about various things,

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Speaker 2: including against JD Vans on his ski trip. Elon is

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Speaker 2: attacking social securities a Ponzi scheme. On the Joe Rogan podcast,

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Speaker 2: Trump is announcing a digital asset reserve that is just

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Speaker 2: a way to funnel taxpayer dollars to crypto billionaires. One

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Speaker 2: of the most disgusting things I've truly ever seen. Dums

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Speaker 2: have a brilliant new plan to fight back, which entails

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Speaker 2: Bill Burr is fighting with Benjapiro. That's an interesting one

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Speaker 2: over his comments regarding a Luigi Mangioni and Israel is

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Scahill is going to join us to break all

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Speaker 4: Ye're excited to have Jeremy here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, he's incredible and drop site.

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Speaker 2: I said this last week, it is incredible how quickly.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, you know, I really rely on them for their

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, all right, So let's get into the latest

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Speaker 2: Office between JD. Vans and Trump attacking Vladimir Zelenski, of course.

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Speaker 3: The president of Ukraine. Let's go ahead and take a

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Speaker 4: That, sir. From President Zelenski.

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Speaker 2: He said he does not think that he owes President

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Speaker 4: Do you feel otherwise? I do.

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Speaker 6: I do, because you guys don't see. You guys only

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Speaker 6: saw the end. You saw what happened today. You don't

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Speaker 6: see all the things that led up to this. So

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Speaker 6: let me explain. The President's been very clear, he campaigned

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Speaker 6: want to explore whether peace is possible.

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Speaker 4: They understand this.

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Speaker 6: They also understand that this agreement that was supposed to

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Speaker 6: and I think the President alluded to today, is a

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Speaker 6: isn't going to work as President Zelensky took it in

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Speaker 6: but that's the path he chose, and I think frankly

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, is for this war

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Speaker 3: to end.

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Speaker 7: The person who walked away from the table yesterday was

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Speaker 7: President Zelensky. I mean, look, I've been involved in a

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Speaker 7: in dignitaries. There's a certain protocol to these events. But

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Speaker 7: for him to act as he did was rather shocking

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Speaker 7: to everyone. I mean, President Zelensky, instead of showing gratitude,

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Speaker 7: he interrupted and berated his hosts at a very perilous

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Speaker 7: time for his country. He should have been anxious, I

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Speaker 7: think to enter into this agreement. Think of it, the

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Speaker 7: mental rights agreement would be a win win for both countries.

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Speaker 7: It would give us an economic interest there, and everyone

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Speaker 7: around the world knows that America will always defend our

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Speaker 8: The challenge is now we're at a stalemate. This is

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Speaker 8: a World War one like trench warfare, and it is

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Speaker 8: best to be able to get to at least a pause.

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Speaker 8: And what I hear President Trump saying over and over

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Speaker 8: find some resolution. I understand Zelensky is rightfully concerned that

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Speaker 8: Putin has violated every single agreement he's ever signed and

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Speaker 8: that he can't be trusted. He's looking for some kind

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Speaker 8: saying they want to put troops in. But we need

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Speaker 8: some kind of resolution to something it may look like

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Speaker 8: North and South Korea for a long time, and have

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Speaker 9: Now, the White House has become an arm of the Kremlin.

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Speaker 9: Every single day you hear from the National Security Advisor,

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Speaker 9: from the President of United States, from his entire national

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Speaker 9: security team, Kremlin talking points. The last week, the White

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Speaker 9: That's essentially saying that Poland invaded Germany at the beginning

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Speaker 9: and the fact is this Vladimir Putin is a brutal dictator.

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Speaker 9: Russia started this war, and the entire pretext for that

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Speaker 9: That is disastrous for US national security. That means that

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Speaker 9: China will be on the march, Putin may not stop,

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Speaker 2: So there you go a little sampling of the political reaction.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously I have a lot of thoughts on this,

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Speaker 2: it won't surprise you that none of the Democrat or

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Speaker 2: imagine that Jade Vance would be out there freelancing on

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump giving him the nudge in the go ahead.

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Speaker 2: But whether or not you think this was like a

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Speaker 2: is not reflective of the reality, which is that Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and US in this war have basically been the same entity. Right,

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Speaker 2: the US has pushed Ukraine to continue this war. We

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Speaker 2: geopolitical plaything. So that's why when Vance and Trump are insists, oh,

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Speaker 2: you have to thank us, and you need to apologize,

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Speaker 2: like thank us for what for continuing to drag you

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Speaker 2: through years of this war at massive cost of lives

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Speaker 2: and death and destruction in the country of Ukraine. And

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Speaker 2: this is not to let Zelenski off the hook, who

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Speaker 2: no one should be, you know, hero worshiping this guy

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Speaker 2: like Actually, the things that JD. Van said about the

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Speaker 2: conscription and pulling guys off like that is true. But

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Speaker 2: we're the superpower in this situation. We wanted to use

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Speaker 2: now we are left trying to figure out what to

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Speaker 2: do next and trying to pick up the pieces. What

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration wants to do is based economic colonization.

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Speaker 2: They want this extractive mineral rights deal, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you are going to benefit from whatever.

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Speaker 3: Extraction is occurring here.

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Speaker 3: Forward with this. It's not even just rare earth minerals.

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Speaker 5: So Zelensky wants everything that you just outlined, which is

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Speaker 4: We played Chris Murphy just there.

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Speaker 5: And the options are insane, Like it's just a complete mess.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty time. This is Zelenski. This is a two.

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Speaker 5: This is him responding. He went on Brett Bear's show

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Speaker 4: So I'm not hearing from you, mister president.

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Speaker 10: Thought that you owe the president and apology.

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Speaker 11: Now I respect President and I respect to American people, and.

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Speaker 11: I think that we have to be very open and

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Speaker 11: I think maybe sometimes some things we have to discuss

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Speaker 5: So one hundred billion dollars into the war, I just

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Speaker 5: It's I get that it's a small percentage of everything

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Speaker 4: He immediately started tweeting, We're.

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Speaker 5: So thankful for America, We're so thankful for the cooperation

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, again, I do think this was a

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Speaker 3: And then JD.

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Speaker 3: In that situation where we have.

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Speaker 2: Two people very powerful brating someone who is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to how that went.

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Speaker 12: We had quite a long time with Presidence Lenski, then

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what comes of that. There were all

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Speaker 3: But we'll see, because you never know what.

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Speaker 2: Trump he's quoting someone else who said, now, Zelenski will

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Speaker 3: But here's the genius part.

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Speaker 2: Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the US into

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Speaker 2: Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But you know, to me, the fact that Trump took

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Speaker 2: security guarantee will make sure that Russia doesn't further invade

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Speaker 2: the country. You know, that to me was an indication

439
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Speaker 2: perhaps that's still the direction that he's moving in.

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Speaker 5: Well, here's what's interesting, and here's why I kind of

441
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Speaker 5: disagreed that this was an ambush. Zelensky comes in and

442
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 5: says at the beginning of the meeting, because I went

443
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Speaker 5: back and know the transcript, that he's hopeful about this deal,

444
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Speaker 5: that this deal is the first step in.

445
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Speaker 4: The right direction.

446
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Speaker 5: And then what we find out is he actually believes

447
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Speaker 5: that not have that the deal in and of itself

448
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Speaker 5: is not a good enough security guarantee for the people

449
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Speaker 5: of Ukraine and for Zelensky. By the way, I mean

450
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Speaker 5: as someone who was like horrified by Zelensky's conduct, and

451
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Speaker 5: that mean I shouldn't say horrified. That overstates it because

452
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Speaker 5: it wasn't surprising, but was like disgusted Westolenski's conduct in

453
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Speaker 5: that meeting. I also don't blame him because he has

454
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Speaker 5: his own interests. He's watched so many of his own

455
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Speaker 5: people die, he has watched his cities being destroyed. Despite

456
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Speaker 5: the fact that he corrected Trump and said that was

457
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Speaker 5: Russian propaganda to say that Ukrainian cities had been destroyed.

458
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Speaker 5: Not all of them have. Some of them are like flattened,

459
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Speaker 5: and that's what Trump was talking about.

460
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Speaker 4: So I get that.

461
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Speaker 5: I think from Zelenski's perspective, this is he does have

462
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Speaker 5: his own interests. He has his own people to worry about.

463
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Speaker 5: He is, you know, he is the representative of his

464
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Speaker 5: own people. At the same time, the question then becomes,

465
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Speaker 5: what was he sitting there saying that this deal is

466
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Speaker 5: great and then always intending to not end up signing it.

467
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Speaker 5: They could have signed it in Ki, if they could

468
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Speaker 5: have signed it in all other places. He flies here,

469
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Speaker 5: was he not going to sign this if he didn't

470
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Speaker 5: get something else out of Trump?

471
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Speaker 4: Advance? And when Vance?

472
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Speaker 5: When when Zelenski turned to Vance, it felt like Zelensky

473
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Speaker 5: had this like a very organic and natural tension. Again

474
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Speaker 5: from his point of view as somebody who lives in Ukraine,

475
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Speaker 5: who's overseeing this war and seeing the suffering of the

476
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Speaker 5: Ukrainian people, he says Putin has steamrolled. He's me all

477
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Speaker 5: of these agreements, you can't do diplomacy with. Putin turns

478
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Speaker 5: the question to JD. Vance that to me, if I

479
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Speaker 5: were Jdvans, I would have exploded to being challenged in

480
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Speaker 5: front of the American media by the President, I would

481
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Speaker 5: have lost my mind. Not saying it was helpful, but

482
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Speaker 5: it would have I would have lost my mind if

483
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Speaker 5: I were him, because it's like, actually the only option

484
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Speaker 5: at this point, and by Zelensky's own admission, he was

485
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Speaker 5: saying the deal with good what thirty minutes before when

486
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Speaker 5: the press conference started, I had I had where my

487
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 5: reaction was closer to Sagers because I was traveling and

488
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Speaker 5: I saw the clips first, and when I saw the

489
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Speaker 5: last ten minutes, I was like, Oh my gosh, what

490
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Speaker 5: just happened? And then I went back and watched it

491
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Speaker 5: from the beginning. I was like, Zolensky keeps throwing jabs

492
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Speaker 5: at Trump, and it's like, again, I get why he

493
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Speaker 5: would because he doesn't think this is enough, and he's

494
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Speaker 5: seen examples before why it's not enough. But his solution

495
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 5: is more like Clinton Bush style American imperialism. And it's

496
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Speaker 5: just like Trump is caught in the middle of that.

497
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Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean that Trump's genius. I'm not a

498
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Speaker 5: big fan of the economic colonization mineral deal. But Zelenski

499
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Speaker 5: did not do himself any favors, that's for sure.

500
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Speaker 3: I just did not see it that way at all.

501
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Speaker 4: It's interesting because like it's been sort of a roor

502
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Speaker 4: Sash test.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean and again, like I'm not a

504
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Speaker 2: Zelensky stand right, he does have his own interest and

505
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Speaker 2: it is like, like I said, the things jd Vance

506
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: said about, you know, people being pulled off this, like

507
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: we've covered that on this show.

508
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Speaker 3: And at this point, you know, at the.

509
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Speaker 2: Beginning of the war, including when we were pushing them

510
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Speaker 2: in to you know, walk away from the negotiations which

511
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Speaker 2: he was participating in. I mean, this is what drives

512
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Speaker 2: me crazy, is like the complete attempt to rewrite history

513
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: and absolve ourselves of our role in this, absolved Trump

514
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Speaker 2: of his role in helping to bring about this horrific

515
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: war and this horrific situation where you're right, there are

516
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: no good options at this point. Truly, there are no

517
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Speaker 2: good options at this point. But you know, the tenttrarywrite

518
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Speaker 2: history is crazy making to me. But in addition, you know,

519
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: I mean to point out, like, hey, you know, this

520
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: guy's not the most stressworthy actor. I don't see why

521
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 2: that makes you explode. What would make me explode is

522
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: the insanity of pretending like we had nothing to do

523
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: with this situation and now you're going to have to

524
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: just take it, and you owe us a thank you,

525
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: a thank you for what we owe you, an apology

526
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Speaker 2: for what we have done to this country and the

527
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: way we have used it as a plaything. And again,

528
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Speaker 2: but Lensky wants that's that's the difference.

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Speaker 4: I would apologize the average Ukrainian and that to Lensky.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say about Zelensky is

531
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Speaker 2: you know, at the beginning, when we were pushing let's

532
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Speaker 2: not have these negotiations, actually the Ukrainian people were very

533
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Speaker 2: much as much as we can tell from the polling

534
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Speaker 2: et cetera, and from the I think this is maybe

535
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Speaker 2: the most telling sign the number of military sign ups

536
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: there were and recruits at that point where people were volunteering, like, yes,

537
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Speaker 2: I want to be part of this war. The Ukrainian

538
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Speaker 2: people were behind we want to fight and and you know,

539
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: the US is we're all in with you, and we're

540
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Speaker 2: going to be there, you know, standing with you and

541
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Speaker 2: giving you everything you need, et cetera. That sentiment has

542
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Speaker 2: very much changed, which is why you know, Zelenski's approval

543
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Speaker 2: has fallen. Now I think his approval we don't really know,

544
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: but his approval rating appears to be higher than Trump's

545
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: is in our own country. So it's not like he

546
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 2: has no support, but certainly his approval rating has fallen.

547
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Speaker 2: There is a massive fatigue among the population. That's why

548
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Speaker 2: they had to lower the conscription age. I mean didn't

549
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: have to, but decided to lower the conscription age. That's

550
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Speaker 2: why they've been you know, aggressively basically like kidnapping men

551
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Speaker 2: off the streets, banning men from leaving the country, et cetera.

552
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Speaker 2: So you know, the public sentiment within Ukraine is now

553
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Speaker 2: diverging somewhat from Zelenski and where he wants things to be.

554
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Speaker 3: That being said, except.

555
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Speaker 4: For maybe since Friday when the country's like.

556
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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say.

557
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Speaker 2: That being said, you know, since this dust up occurred,

558
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Speaker 2: I do think it has probably strengthened his domestic political

559
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: position because even the opposition has come out in support

560
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: of him and in opposition to the way that this

561
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: was handled by Trump and Vans, et cetera. So you know,

562
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: again my bottom line here is whether you think it

563
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: was an ambush or not.

564
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Speaker 3: I genuinely do.

565
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think reasonable people could disagree there,

566
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: as Emily and Zader certainly disagree with me on that.

567
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: The part of it that drives me crazy is just

568
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: the fakery of ignoring how and why we got here,

569
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: of pretending we played no role, and pretending also like

570
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: we're oppositional to so let's get like we are on

571
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: the same team.

572
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: This is like Mississippi having.

573
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: It, you know, international affairs disagreement with the federal government.

574
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean when I say this is

575
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: a show, because it is not reflective of the actual

576
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: reality of the conditions that led to this war, of

577
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: the conditions that led us to exactly this point. And

578
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: so you know, we'll see what the fallout is and

579
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: if it changes any of the dynam but you know,

580
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: as of now, I think probably Trump is probably still

581
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: pushing in the direction of this minerals deal because it's

582
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: very consistent with the rest of his foreign policy that

583
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: he's pursuing around the world, which is just you know,

584
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: it's maach and grab, like I want the again. I

585
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: think it's really important for people to understand these this

586
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: exploitation of Ukraine or conquest of Greenland or Panama Canal

587
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: or can or whatever like, these deals are not to

588
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: benefit you. There's a reason why the Ai Gaza Video

589
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: has like a.

590
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: Trump hotel there.

591
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: This is to benefit billionaires, the Trump family themselves, their

592
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: buddies around the world, and to secure those economic interests

593
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: for themselves, using the US taxpayer and the US soldier

594
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: to protect those economic interests. And it's not like that's

595
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: a new dynamic, right. I'm not Pollyanna here, I'm not naive,

596
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: not saying that this is our first trip to the

597
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, economic colonization rodeo.

598
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: But that's a hell of a rodeos.

599
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: It's been a hell of a ride. Let me tell you.

600
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: He has more nakedly transact is.

601
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: More nakedly transactional about it.

602
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: There is not even a valance of this is about democracy,

603
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: this is about human rights, This is about standing up

604
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: for ourselves. This is about protecting territorial integrity. It's just

605
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: about we're going to get what we can get out

606
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: of it. And again not us, him and his buddies

607
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: and the other billionaires that he's close to.

608
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: And it was billionaires that originally.

609
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: Proposed this who had direct interest in you know, exploitation

610
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: in Ukraine who proposed this deal. So you know, I

611
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of incentive still pushing in that direction.

612
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: But like I said that the.

613
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Speaker 2: Oppositional force is wanting to align more closely with their

614
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: ideological brethren in Russia. So we'll see how this all

615
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: goes down. The last piece of fall in here put

616
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: a five up on the screen. So this is kind

617
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: of interesting. Just in terms of the global pushback, there

618
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: was a Norwegian fuel supplier that refused to refuel US

619
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: warships over this dust up in the White House.

620
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Speaker 3: You know, this is a.

621
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Speaker 2: Norwegian fuel company, halt Bach Bunkers, announced it will see

622
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: supplying fuel to the US military forces in Norway and

623
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: American ships docking in Norwegian ports, siding dissatisfaction with recent

624
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: US policy towards Ukraine. In a strongly word a statement,

625
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: company criticized televised event involving US President Trump and JD.

626
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Van's referring to it as quote the biggest shit show

627
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: ever presented on live TV. They praised Zelenski for his restraint,

628
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: accused the US of putting on a backstabbing TV show,

629
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: and declaring that the spectacle made us six, so kind

630
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: of an interesting economic retaliation.

631
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: There at least we put on great TV shows.

632
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Speaker 5: That's takeaway one thing you can't take away from Donald

633
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: Trump celebrity Apprentice.

634
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Speaker 3: I was not a watcher, but I believe you. I

635
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: believe it was good.

636
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: It was good.

637
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean, listen to the man is freaking.

638
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: He's funny like he's funny, he's charismatic, he's a cat

639
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: like that is that is the area where.

640
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: He is an apt salute genius and you can't take

641
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: that away.

642
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: Cannot take that away from him. So we're in agreement

643
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: on that.

644
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Yes, we'll close with that agreement. So relevant to the discussion.

645
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: We were just having lots of protests breaking out over

646
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: various reasons and issues across the country, but in particular, JD. Vance,

647
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: after the whole dust up with Zelenski in the Oval office,

648
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: took his family on a ski vacation in Vermont, and

649
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: the protesters certainly showed up there. Let's take a look.

650
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: We can put some of these images up on the screen.

651
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: So people were lining the roadways here with signs, most

652
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: of them like pro Ukraine signs. We can see all

653
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: the like Ukraine flags, lots of anti Russia and Jade

654
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: Vance's Putin's puppet and that sort of sentiment going on

655
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Speaker 2: here in Vermont. You can see these signs to stand

656
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Speaker 2: with Ukraine, Trump serves Putin. Jd Vance is a trader

657
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Speaker 2: go Ski in Russia. I was kind of surprised that

658
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Speaker 2: they were able to spin up this protest this quick. Yeah,

659
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Speaker 2: a lot of it just happened, and I mean it

660
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Speaker 2: does go to what I do. Feel like this kind

661
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Speaker 2: of really touched a nerve for a lot of people

662
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Speaker 2: who were you know, because it's easy like on this show,

663
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Speaker 2: we've had tried to have a nuanced view of this

664
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Speaker 2: conflict and have been pushing for an end to the

665
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Speaker 2: war since the war really began.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at.

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Speaker 2: The pulling people are over like, it's not like people

668
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Speaker 2: love Vladimir Putin, they hate Putin. Zolensky has a higher

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Speaker 2: favorability rating than JD. Vance or Donald Trump in our country.

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Speaker 2: And so I do think it's easy to get in

671
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Speaker 2: a bubble where you feel like because online there's all

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Speaker 2: this like anti Zelensky sentiment and you know, interest in

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Speaker 2: being more aligned with Russia, which, like I think if

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Speaker 2: we had had better relations with all the nations of

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Speaker 2: the world, that would be.

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Speaker 3: A good thing. But that is not really reflective of

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Speaker 3: where public sentiment has been on this conflict.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the protest to me looked like a bunch

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Speaker 5: of sort of and I say this lovingly, like crunchy

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Speaker 5: boomer Vermont hippies, which is interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guess is that lovingly.

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Speaker 5: But what's interesting is the energy where you're able to

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Speaker 5: like mobilize a bunch of people to get I mean,

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Speaker 5: if if you're listening to this you missed on those videos,

685
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Speaker 5: if you hadn't seen them, is there actually are a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of people lining the road?

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Speaker 5: And to Crystal's point, this is within like twenty four

688
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Speaker 5: hours of all of that going down.

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Speaker 4: So I think it does speak to it.

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about democrats later in the show,

691
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Speaker 5: but I think it does legitimately speak to the energy

692
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Speaker 5: that does exist on the left, even though some people aren't,

693
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Speaker 5: like it's obviously not twenty seventeen right now, there's not

694
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Speaker 5: a Women's March happening, but there's still significant, significant hostility

695
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Speaker 5: to Trump to the point where it can rally people.

696
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Speaker 5: And the Russia exists, it looms large in the Boomer imagination,

697
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Speaker 5: so there's an emotional trigger I think anytime it looks

698
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Speaker 5: like the United States is aligning, or you can make

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Speaker 5: the argument that the United States is a ligning with Russia,

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Speaker 5: which I don't agree with in this case, but that

701
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Speaker 5: just gets people out into the streets. Yeah, so's there's

702
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Speaker 5: something there.

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Speaker 2: There's a spark well, and I think you're right that

704
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Speaker 2: it is part and parcel of a larger just like

705
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Speaker 2: anti Trump, anti Lane resistance that has truly fomented and

706
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Speaker 2: really without much leadership from the Democratic elites. You have

707
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Speaker 2: some of these groups like Invisible and move On that

708
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Speaker 2: have really taken the lead. You've got a few members,

709
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Speaker 2: I mean Bernie being the primary example, who have sort

710
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Speaker 2: of led the charge, but a lot of this is

711
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Speaker 2: very Grossroos organizing. Meanwhile, you know, the Democratic leadership is

712
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Speaker 2: meeting and being like, let's make ourselves more friendly to billionaires, etc.

713
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Speaker 2: Like Emily said, We'll get to that in a minute.

714
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Speaker 2: But in addition to those protests, there were someone some

715
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Speaker 2: videos of datavans like on the ski slopes getting yelled

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Speaker 2: at and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I enjoyed, But would you.

718
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Speaker 4: Do it if you were there, would you yell at them?

719
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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 2: Not, just because I'm like, you know, a public person

721
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Speaker 2: crystals viral.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

723
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to like put myself in the center.

724
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Speaker 2: But you know, do I support prominent, powerful people getting

725
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Speaker 2: yelled at when they're in public places?

726
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Speaker 4: Yes?

727
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Speaker 2: I do, Yes, I do, and not just on the

728
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Speaker 2: Republican side across the board yell at your especially because

729
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Speaker 2: they won't even like, you know, these senators and congress

730
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Speaker 2: people like they're back out of their town halls. They're

731
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Speaker 2: so terrified that someone's going to like be into them

732
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Speaker 2: or ask them a.

733
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Speaker 3: Hostile question or whatever.

734
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Speaker 2: So what other chance do you have to get to

735
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Speaker 2: express your views than when they decide to go on

736
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Speaker 2: their ski vacation.

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Speaker 5: You really ran on the wrong side of the two parties.

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Speaker 5: Take it, Crystal.

739
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Speaker 4: Remember this is the exact argument the right.

740
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Speaker 5: The right was like, yeah, let them hear it, like

741
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Speaker 5: just shout them, you know, which I agree with obviously.

742
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Speaker 2: I think they should be required to submit themselves to

743
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Speaker 2: debates town halls, like you cannot hide from the public

744
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Speaker 2: if you're supposed to be a public official. But let's

745
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Speaker 2: put this next piece up on the screen. There was

746
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Speaker 2: a local ski reporter this is kind of funny, who

747
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Speaker 2: writes like the snow report locally, who used her platform

748
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Speaker 2: to express her views against this was less to do

749
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Speaker 2: with Celenski and war to do with climate and with

750
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Speaker 2: the attacks on the National Weather Service in particular.

751
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Speaker 3: So she wrote a long, a long.

752
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Speaker 2: Piece there that also included the news about the snow

753
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Speaker 2: but she, you know, was upset about the Noah cuts.

754
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Speaker 2: She was also upset about the the attacks on, like,

755
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Speaker 2: you know, some of the things that were being done

756
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Speaker 2: to mitigate climate change. So that was interesting as well.

757
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Speaker 2: And then a few members, Republican members did decide to

758
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Speaker 2: go forward with their town halls. When we show you

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Speaker 2: a mashup of this, this is one representive Diana Harsberger

760
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Speaker 2: from Tennessee, Keith self from Texas, and then probably the

761
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Speaker 2: most interesting one, Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas, who is confronted.

762
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Speaker 2: You'll see in the video by someone who's concerned about

763
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Speaker 2: veterans being fired, and he just basically decides to rage

764
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Speaker 2: quit his own town hall. At this point, people are

765
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Speaker 2: yelling him like, you haven't even been here an now or.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera.

767
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Speaker 2: So let's take a look at the temperature at these

768
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Speaker 2: various town halls.

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Speaker 13: There's been a mandate to the president from the American

770
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Speaker 13: people and not correct, No, there's not a mandate by

771
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Speaker 13: the American people.

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Speaker 3: Who's thirty percent.

773
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Speaker 13: Congressional Budget Office. You know what it's going to be

774
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Speaker 13: about twenty thirty five. It's going to be fifty nine trillion.

775
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Speaker 13: Did I tell you the one.

776
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Speaker 14: Is in those programs?

777
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Speaker 4: Listen, this is.

778
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Speaker 7: Very tousy again.

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Speaker 3: Coming now as far as cutting out those jobs, a

780
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Speaker 3: huge percentage of those people. And I even know what

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Speaker 3: you care about the vetterance.

782
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Speaker 7: Yes, and that is.

783
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Speaker 13: A damn shame.

784
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Speaker 12: Yes, yeah, that is a shame.

785
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Speaker 13: I'm not a Democrat, but I'm worried about the veterans.

786
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Speaker 4: You Tucker, when to stand up.

787
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Speaker 14: I do got two more commitments today.

788
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Speaker 6: Appreciate everybody making them drive out and.

789
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Speaker 2: God listener, so you can see people very much not happy.

790
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Speaker 2: And that last piece was a Senator, Roger Marshall, who's saying, like,

791
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Speaker 2: you know how I've got these other commitments got to.

792
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Speaker 3: Go, and people are not happy about it.

793
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Speaker 2: And it was interesting because that guy stood up and

794
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Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not a Democrat, but I am concerned

795
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Speaker 2: about the veterans. So you're starting to get in a

796
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Speaker 2: little bit of a broader swath. Of course, most of

797
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Speaker 2: the people that are going to show up at a

798
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Speaker 2: town hall are likely to be you know, they're likely

799
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Speaker 2: to be partisans. They were in the Tea Party era

800
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Speaker 2: as well. But the cope from the right that like, oh,

801
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Speaker 2: these are just like paid activists by George Soros or whatever.

802
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Speaker 2: You know, I heard the same thing from Democrats during

803
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Speaker 2: the Tea Party era. But if you know anything about politics,

804
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Speaker 2: if you've been involved, either you know, in electoral politics

805
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 2: or as an activists, you know it is damn near

806
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Speaker 2: impossible to get people to show up to things.

807
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Speaker 3: And so if.

808
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Speaker 2: People are willing to take time out of their day

809
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Speaker 2: to go to this town hall and yell at their

810
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Speaker 2: congression or yell at their senator, even if they are partisans,

811
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Speaker 2: that is representative of a real energy that exists out

812
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Speaker 2: there that is quite consequential, especially when you think in

813
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Speaker 2: terms of things like special elections and midterm elections.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So according to Axios, about thirty percent of the federal

816
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Speaker 5: workforces veterans, and a.

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Speaker 4: Big trenk of that is disabled veterans.

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Speaker 5: So this is a I mean, I think it's in

819
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Speaker 5: comparison about five percent of the private sector workforces veterans.

820
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Speaker 5: This is like a huge percentage of the federal workforce

821
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Speaker 5: compared to the private workforce is veteran composed. So mass

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Speaker 5: cuts are going to target veterans. Actually, Democrats have introduced

823
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Speaker 5: a bill to reinstate veterans who are fired without cause

824
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Speaker 5: by the Trump administration. So that's how vulnerable Republicans will

825
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Speaker 5: be on this issue. It's we were talking earlier in

826
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Speaker 5: this block about how you create a sort of a

827
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Speaker 5: a trigger issue for some boomers. Well, this is a

828
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Speaker 5: trigger issue for people who are like across the political

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Speaker 5: spectrum of all demographics. As soon as veterans in their communities,

830
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Speaker 5: there are vas that I mean a lot of cases

831
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Speaker 5: are already people are worried or understaffed or are crumbling

832
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Speaker 5: in every community. Yeah, and when that hits home, that

833
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Speaker 5: reflects on doge and so to the extent that public

834
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Speaker 5: opinion on DOGE is falling, some people may say, well,

835
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Speaker 5: it's just the chaos babble.

836
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is localized.

837
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Speaker 5: I think the more people start seeing this in their community,

838
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Speaker 5: the more Republicans are going to need to have answers,

839
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Speaker 5: and these town halls are not going to cut it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, from a political standpoint, it's insane that they're

841
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Speaker 5: still doing these town halls, even though it's great to see,

842
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Speaker 5: you know, support it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it doesn't

843
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Speaker 5: matter if they're Democrat or Republican. I I would support it.

844
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Speaker 5: But from a political standpoint, it just seems to me

845
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Speaker 5: they're not prepared to answer some of these questions because

846
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Speaker 5: the broad project of slashing government making it quote more

847
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Speaker 5: efficient might poll okay, but when you localize it, it's

848
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Speaker 5: a very different matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I so I've mentioned before my first

851
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Speaker 2: job out of college was working for like a federal

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Speaker 2: government contractor, and my primary client was the US federal courts,

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Speaker 2: and so I spent a lot of time working both

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Speaker 2: at the Administraty of Office here in d C. But

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Speaker 2: also one of my jobs was to travel around the

856
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Speaker 2: country to the different court systems and help them with

857
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Speaker 2: their software implementation blah blah blah. And it was really

858
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Speaker 2: interesting because one of the things that I noticed is

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Speaker 2: that the smaller the town, like say, you know, I

860
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Speaker 2: traveled to Soo Fall, South Dakota. It's a relatively small city,

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Speaker 2: the more sort of like impressive the people working there were.

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Speaker 2: And this is not to slam federal government employees in

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Speaker 2: large cities or whatever, but because the salaries were comparatively

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Speaker 2: high for that area, you really would attract like the

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Speaker 2: cream of the crop in terms of you know, that

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Speaker 2: local community, and those tend to be people who are

867
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Speaker 2: really like pillars of the community. And so it's almost

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Speaker 2: like the smaller the area that you go to, the

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Speaker 2: more consequential whatever the federal government jobs are going to

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Speaker 2: be to that community. It's sort of the same thing

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Speaker 2: with public schools. You know, public schools really important teachers

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Speaker 2: and administrators really the sort of like lynchpin in the

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Speaker 2: community the smaller the town that you go in, which

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Speaker 2: is why during the teacher strikewave you had this huge

875
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: backlash in red rural states because of exactly that dynamic

876
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: and how sort of like significant those institutions were as

877
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: centers of community and how significant those individuals were to

878
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: that community, and we can put the put B five

879
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: up on the screen. This is about the national parks.

880
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: This is another piece that I think really hits home

881
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: for people. In addition to obviously no one wants to

882
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: see like disabled veterans getting laid off. No one wants

883
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: to see military spouses getting laid off, which is another

884
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: significant component because they're disproportionately on that probationary period because

885
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: they're not going to move around the country. No one

886
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: wants to see these national parks that we really you know,

887
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: we really take pride and really enjoy being destroyed and

888
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: being so understaff that they can't handle the crowds that

889
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: are coming in that you can't even some of them

890
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: have had to shut down, even making reservations for the future.

891
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Lots of families plan their summers and their vacations around

892
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: being able to go to these national parks. And so

893
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: I think that's another like very tangible thing to people

894
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: where it contributes to this sense of your cutting into

895
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: things that we actually care about, like the things about

896
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the federal government that we actually appreciate, that we actually

897
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: enjoy and that you know, genuinely do contribute to the

898
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: public goods. So this was again an impressive effort. You

899
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: had thousands of people at national parks all across the

900
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: country from California to Maine. There's a group called Resistance Rangers,

901
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: consisting of about seven hundred off duty rangers that have

902
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: been helping to organize these protests.

903
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: They were able Their goal was.

904
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: To get prote at all of the country's four hundred

905
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: and thirty three National park sites. I think they were

906
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: able to pull off protests at at least one hundred

907
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: and forty five sites, So pretty impressive there, and I

908
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: do think that that has been another locus of public

909
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: upset and pushback. The other thing is, let's put before

910
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: up on the screen. The uh you know, Tesla has

911
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: become the one of the most visible symbols of Elon Musk,

912
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: who you know, people myself included, very unhappy about the

913
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: way he is just sort of like claimed control of

914
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: the federal government for himself. So there was a large

915
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 2: protest in I believe this was in Tucson outside of

916
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: a Tesla dealership and you can see here up on

917
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: the screen. You know, this is at a lot of people, yeah,

918
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: that are gathered there on the side of the road

919
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: to protest Elon and Doge and the cuts that are

920
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: being made. I have anecdotally been seeing around town. I

921
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen any of the Tesla's that's

922
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: to have the bumper sticker that say, like, I bought

923
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: it before I knew Elon was insane. Tesla as a

924
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: company we covered this last week, is not doing well.

925
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Sales have fallen almost fifty percent in Europe, They're down

926
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: significantly in California. Part of that is certainly because of

927
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 2: Elon being so closely associated with the brand. In fact,

928
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: the company, you know, every company is obligated to put

929
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: out in their disclosures what are the risks to the company,

930
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: and they have long said that one of the risks

931
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: is Elon being so closely associated with it and if

932
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: opinion changes of him, that could have a really negative impact.

933
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: So we are seeing that that bear out and reality

934
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: in the stock price suffer as a result.

935
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Speaker 5: It's funny because you can also make the argument that

936
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: there's been a benefit, obviously not overall, but that there's

937
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 5: been a boost now that Elon Musk has become this

938
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: weird cultural litmus test, and that I know a bunch

939
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: of people on the right who are now into tesla

940
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 5: and it's hilarious because it used.

941
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 4: To be the other way around.

942
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 5: It used to be like the people who now have

943
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: those stickers on the back of their cars were like

944
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 5: environmentally friendly and this was sort of a badge of

945
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: a virtue to drive a Tesla. And I saw a

946
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: woman yesterday shouting at a random I was going out

947
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 5: to get a coffee, just a Tesla at a four

948
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 5: way intersection and this woman just comes around like, af tesla,

949
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: I don't support effing elo really, yeah, just laying into.

950
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: This Tesla driver faster girl. Yeah, I gotta record that

951
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: for it was.

952
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: It was really wild, but on the point about firing

953
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: and then reinstating people. So that has happened at the

954
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 5: VA and National Parks because we were just talking about

955
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: both of them. Democrats estimate like six thousand veterans have

956
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 5: been laid off so far, and the National Parks also

957
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 5: restored some of the jobs that were eliminated. And it's

958
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: one of those things where Elon Musk's and the oval

959
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 5: Or he was at the cabinet meeting last week saying

960
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 5: we're going to make mistakes. We accidentally canceled a Bola

961
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 5: protection remember when he said that last week, And it's

962
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 5: just they don't have that. They're just relying on this

963
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 5: overall project. And of course both things can be true,

964
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 5: that like national parks can be great, we can love

965
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: our veterans, and the VA can have all kinds of

966
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: problems with everyone agrees with across the political spectrum that

967
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: the VA has tons of problems and probably does need

968
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: to be streamlined and more efficient.

969
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: But if you're going to make that argument, you need

970
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: to be.

971
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: Prepared for what it means when people are veterans who

972
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 5: serve the country are losing their jobs and Elon is

973
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: out with a chainsaw at seapack. And that is what Republicans,

974
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 5: despite having all this time to prepare for what Doge

975
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 5: would do, have not been prepared to deal with.

976
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: I think Sager made a good point about Elon too,

977
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: that the more that he the less he comes off

978
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: as like, oh, the brilliant, visionary, genius businessman, and the

979
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: more he comes off as like your asshole boss. Yeah,

980
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: the worst that's going to be politically for Elon. And

981
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: you can already start to see the way that this

982
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: is also weighing down Trump and then you know, you

983
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: add to that the Republican budget proposal, which includes slashing

984
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: Medicaid and massive tax cuts to the rich, and you

985
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: can really very clearly paint the picture of oh, this

986
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: administration they're just for They're for Blan and their rich buddies.

987
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean the crypto thing obviously goes hand in glove

988
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: with that as well, Like this is just a pro

989
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: oligarch agenda, and these cuts really have nothing to do

990
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: with making the government so efficient. That's what I've heard

991
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: from kind of like normy moderates who have voted for

992
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: Republicans in the past or whatever. It's like, you know,

993
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 2: I'm all about more government efficiency, and I do think

994
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: the government should be smaller, but you have to be

995
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: smart about how you do it. You can't just come

996
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: in with a patch it and cut, like, you know,

997
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: people important for air traffic control as another example. Here,

998
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: As these protests emily spring up across the country, Bill

999
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: Maher has some ideas about how the Democrats and how

1000
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: this resistance is ultimately playing out. He gathered his panel

1001
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: of Fared Zakaria and Rum Emmanuel to weigh in on

1002
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: some very cherry picked, selective protest demonstrations. Let's take a

1003
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: list to how that went.

1004
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 14: This is something called the People's Union USA, and they

1005
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 14: have something called Today. I've got emails about this from

1006
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 14: people no spend Day and it's against the malign influence

1007
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 14: of billionaires, big corporations and both major political parties and

1008
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 14: the lives of working Americans. And what it is is

1009
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 14: you refrained from making any purchases either in stores or online,

1010
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 14: to shun fast food, getting gas for a full day.

1011
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 14: I know that look on your face says it all.

1012
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 14: You're right, it's so fucking stupid.

1013
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 15: The idea is right.

1014
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: You never wrote that has let too much time on

1015
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: their hand.

1016
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 14: Now this is the thing that's going on today.

1017
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 10: And it just mistakes. This is why I was saying

1018
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 10: that there really is a movement of people doing interpretive

1019
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 10: dances to protest the Trump administrations cuts of USA idea.

1020
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 10: I mean, like people are starving.

1021
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 4: You know. The thing about not winning.

1022
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 10: As you said, is you're left with these kind of absurdities.

1023
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 10: The answer is figure out how to win elections. You

1024
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 10: know that's very I mean, yes, what's the democrats? Listen

1025
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 10: to the Democrats about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama both

1026
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 10: of whom you work for.

1027
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: So these are the only two.

1028
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 10: Democrats since Franklin Roosevelt to on won two terms. Right,

1029
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 10: and what does the party say they did everything wrong?

1030
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 4: We've got to.

1031
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 10: Get away from sec Wait a minute, they're the ones

1032
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 10: who won the elections. Yes, bred Bernie Sanders didn't win

1033
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 10: AOC hasn't been president recently. Like you know, the the

1034
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 10: Labor Party does this with Tony Blair. They're like, Blair

1035
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 10: is horrible.

1036
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: He won three elections.

1037
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, let me get breaking news. One hundred thousand new

1038
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 15: community police officers or defund the police? Now, which one

1039
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 15: do you think is what?

1040
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: It's crazy? And on this partify it's example of this.

1041
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 15: I think the party. You know, you're talking about interpretive

1042
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 15: dance and everything like that, And what's really crazy about

1043
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 15: where the party's gone it is ident it's taking an

1044
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 15: identity politics that the only way you have a moral

1045
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 15: standing is yours somehow been hurt. And that is insane.

1046
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 15: And if you want to take a moral standing of

1047
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 15: an identity politics based on where you've been hurt, then

1048
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 15: we're going to do it about the working in middle

1049
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 15: class families of this country's gotten the shaft over the

1050
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 15: last thirty years and that is where we been.

1051
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: Go Oh my god, that made me want to kill myself.

1052
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it is the neoliberal wing of the party

1053
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: as representated by Hillary Clinton, who foisted identity politics honest

1054
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: in an attempt to block Bernie Sanders, who was actually

1055
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 2: talking about working class people and trying to deliver for them.

1056
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: That makes me insane. In addition, pretending like they've been

1057
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: following the Bernie Sanders path to victory and it just

1058
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: hasn't worked out is preposterous. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

1059
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: did all the things you people would want them to do,

1060
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: and she lost.

1061
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 4: She lost.

1062
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: Where there's the reckoning with that? And then finally to

1063
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: pretend like the only thing that's happening at this point

1064
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: is some like cringe interpretive dance protest, which it was

1065
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: outside the Kennedy Center, I believe is where that happened.

1066
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: Like that's just dishonest, that's just dishonest. But they don't

1067
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge that. To the point about, hey, you

1068
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: need to win, you need to take power. That Bernie

1069
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: Sanders is out doing town halls in swing districts across

1070
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: the country talking about oligarchy and fighting back because he

1071
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: wants to put pressure on the moderate supposedly, not that

1072
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: such a thing really exists on the Republican swing district

1073
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: members who Mike Johnson needs in order to vote and

1074
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: pass anything. So there are first of all, a few

1075
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: people out there who actually have a strategy, who are

1076
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: in leadership, but by and large, the grassroots base has

1077
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: been left to fend for themselves and they are out,

1078
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, at these town halls trying to use pressure

1079
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: on public officials in a way that I do think

1080
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: could be impactful. I mean you see the way, Emily

1081
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: that they are very uncomfortable, these Republican representatives when they're

1082
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: actually confronted with these questions, and like you said, they

1083
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: don't have responses. Most of them are just avoiding town

1084
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: halls altogether. But I can tell you from being at

1085
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 2: those Tea party protests back in twenty ten, seeing people

1086
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: in person, in your face, with an a certain view

1087
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: and upset about what's going on. These are human beings

1088
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: that has an impact on you.

1089
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: Oh, I believe it. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And Ram Emmanuel, by the way, worked for Barack Obama.

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Speaker 5: So the line about identity politics is pretty laughable because

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Speaker 5: the Obama eras when the Democratic Party, of which he

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Speaker 5: was a sort of card carrying establishment elite member of he.

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Speaker 2: Was an architect of the ideological direction. I mean he

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Speaker 2: selected for what type of candidates, yes, would be backed

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Speaker 2: by the DNC.

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Speaker 4: Which went great for the DNC.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, to your point about Obama, sorry

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Speaker 2: to jump in, but Obama is good at getting himself elected.

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Speaker 2: How did the Democratic Party do under Obama? They lost

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Speaker 2: a thousand state House legislative seats across the country, They

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Speaker 2: lost governor's mansion, they lost rural America.

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Speaker 3: That happened under Obama.

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Speaker 2: So don't tell me about how great he was for

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Speaker 2: the party, because yeah, he was good at getting himself

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Speaker 2: re elected. But they lost the House, they lost the Senate,

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Speaker 2: they lost the state houses, they got totally destroyed and

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Speaker 2: redistricting because of the Tea Party wave. And guess who

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Speaker 2: gets elected after Obama? Donald Trump. And you think that

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Speaker 2: you don't take any of the blame for setting up

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Speaker 2: the political preconditions that lead to that, like, give me

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Speaker 2: a break, give me a break.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, the other thing that's funny about

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Speaker 5: this now Democrats are working with a lot here, so

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Speaker 5: and polling is increasingly bearing this out. So fifty four

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Speaker 5: this is the new PBS poll. Fifty four percent of

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Speaker 5: Independence say that the president is changing the country for

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Speaker 5: the worst, that early changes have been for the worst,

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Speaker 5: and that it's also a big chunk of people who

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Speaker 5: say two thirds of independents say Trump is rushing to

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Speaker 5: make change without considering the impact of his decisions.

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Speaker 4: Fifty six percent.

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Speaker 5: Of Independence in this poll view elon Musk unfavorably. So

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Speaker 5: the answer to that is not mar and ram and manualism, right, Like,

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Speaker 5: they're not tapping into what people are upset about at all.

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Speaker 4: They're not like writing the ship. It's just this.

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Speaker 5: This is a serious like dynamic in terms of and

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Speaker 5: it's something Trump has benefited from forever, and it's led

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Speaker 5: the Republicans to take wrong lessons from all this, and

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Speaker 5: it's going to do the same for Democrats. Just because

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Speaker 5: public opinion is going in one direction, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: that it's great for Democrats. Democrats actually have to proactively

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Speaker 5: come up with something better than Muskism. You can't just

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Speaker 5: rely on people being unhappy with Musk because then people

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Speaker 5: end up picking what they see as the lesser of

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Speaker 5: two evils, and that doesn't always go in democrats favor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was that James Carvel piece in the New

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Speaker 2: York Times. I think that was like, just don't do anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, definitely.

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Speaker 2: You know, and we've heard this argument too before from

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Speaker 2: I think Hakeem Jeffries. Oh my god, what a what

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Speaker 2: a pathetic loser said something, I'll let them punch themselves down,

1143
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Speaker 2: don't swing at every pitch, et cetera, et cetera. Think

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Speaker 2: of how Republicans responded to Obama. Did they say, like,

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Speaker 2: I'll just let them punch themselves. We're just gonna sit back.

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Speaker 4: They're just going to destroy them eggs and ham in

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Speaker 4: the Senate fl.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, like, get real, you have to fight,

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Speaker 2: you have to offer, and it's not enough to, you know,

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Speaker 2: let them manifest the horrors of their own agenda. You

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Speaker 2: have to offer an alternative vision if nothing else. Even

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Speaker 2: if you think, and I think it is possible that

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Speaker 2: just through the declining favorability and potential economic collapse their

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Speaker 2: coording by the way of the Trump Musk administration, that

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Speaker 2: Democrats could do well in the midterms. But this isn't

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Speaker 2: just a like who cares what party is in control?

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Speaker 2: If they're not delivering ultimately for people's lives, and so

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Speaker 2: you can't lose sight of that either. You have to

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Speaker 2: explain how you are going to actually deliver material and

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Speaker 2: make life better for people, make country better, make the

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Speaker 2: world a better place. And if you're not doing that,

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Speaker 2: like why do you even exist as a political party?

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Speaker 2: Like what is the point of this other than a

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Speaker 2: racket for consultants and for politicians to get their attention

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Speaker 2: and be able to insider trade.

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Speaker 5: So it's not just going to be enough to know

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Speaker 5: that you should be talking about the price of eggs

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Speaker 5: as opposed to identity politics and dancing outside the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 5: You actually need to explain what Democrats are going to

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Speaker 5: do to lower the price of eggs. Because one of

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Speaker 5: the interesting things in the PBS pool is actually that

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Speaker 5: there's a growing sense from the public. This is a

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Speaker 5: quote from the article that the country is headed in

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Speaker 5: the right direction. Forty five percent of Americans believe so,

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Speaker 5: which was up ten points from December and now at

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Speaker 5: the second highest point of the last fifteen years. It's

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Speaker 5: very interesting about that is it gets to the lesser

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Speaker 5: of two evils. Point is that if your answer to

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Speaker 5: Trump and Musk, who are increasingly struggling with independence, is

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Speaker 5: going to be like, if your answer also sucks, doesn't

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Speaker 5: mean that you're going to beat Trump and get your

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Speaker 5: power back.

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Speaker 4: You have to have an answer that's better.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise people are going to continue doing lesser two evil dynamics,

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Speaker 5: which doesn't work out well for the Democrats even though they're.

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Speaker 4: Like Trump and Musk are so crazy, it's going to

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Speaker 4: be great for us.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, it's only going to be great for you

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Speaker 5: if you're better, if you have a better answer about

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Speaker 5: the price of eggs, and you don't