WEBVTT - Think Before You Print 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:09.880 Chris Harrison and laurenz Eva coming to you from the 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.319 home office in Austin, Texas. We are back together. Both 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.600 of us were gone this weekend. I was in Vegas 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.880 helping MC and host the Jeremy Renner his Renter Foundation 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.040 for foster kids that he helps in Nevada and Hawkeuy 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.640 and the mayor a little bit more for the mayor 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.400 of Kingstown. I was geeking out a little bit, hanging 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.440 out with the mayor and he was packing heat all weekend. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.240 I'm telling you, it was wild. He's he rolls around 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.400 like the mayor now and just putting people down. No 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.120 he wasn't You said he was so nice. No, he's 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.479 the nicest guy. He's good looking, he's smart. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.200 Do you have a crush on Jeremy Runner. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.199 No, it made me mad. It's like you, you know, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.360 when you meet celebrities like that, Because so I had 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.400 never met Jeremy. I was brought into MC this event 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.760 and it was fantastic, and I had heard wonderful things 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.480 about him, which is why I agreed to do it, 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.440 and then I I spent time with him. But what 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.480 really struck me is before I met Jeremy. His I 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.160 think future brother in law picked me up at the airport. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.839 His niece was in the car with me. I met 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.000 his sister who's the president of the foundation. His mom 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.200 was there, and he adores his family. They're all very 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.919 tight and everybody's involved in this. It was all hands 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.440 on deck and it was just like okay, like this 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.720 is a family event. And he really relished that. So 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.240 and he's not one of those guys that just didn't 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.360 show to stuff like he was with the kids. He 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.080 really gets involved and so that. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:35.200 Speaks volumes, right. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.640 I think the people who look fame can change you, 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.800 but if you stay grounded in your family and your friends, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.160 then you can hold on to Yeah. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.720 And it was a great event that he you know, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.360 by the way, the concert and this is the for 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.600 the inaugural event. We had a poker tournament, we played 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.320 some golf and all that, and then there was a 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.960 big concert that like mister mister Cool in the Gang 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:05.120 Cheap Trick, Rob Bass. It was like Robin Thick. But 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.760 it was like my greatest if you if I had 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:13.000 gone to the Perfect Bar spring break in college music. Oh, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.880 I was crushing it. Anyway, it was great and it 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.400 was wonderful to meet Jeremy, a couple friends. Makai Pfeiffer 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.119 was there, who I've known for years, such a sweet guy. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.760 He and his wife. Rob Wriggle are good friend. And 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:31.600 comedian Richard Kind was there, who he's another one who 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.200 I've just known for years at through events and just 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.120 so there was I'll just tell you one quick story. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.120 We get done. The event was at the Brooklyn Bowl, 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.200 which is by the link the big carousel whatever there 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.840 in Vegas, and we were staying at the Plazzo. It 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.560 was really only a ten minute walk, so it's not 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.280 worth getting in a car, and so Rob Wriggle, Richard 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.079 Kind and I decide we're just going to walk back 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.680 and you kind of cut through a hotel. We're on 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.000 the strip. You're walking down the strip for about half 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.600 a mile to get to our hotel. We stopped. I 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.760 stopped to get a slice of pizza. So but to 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.920 watch people walk by and to watch the faces is 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.880 I'm staying there with Richard Kine and Rob Wriggle and myself, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.799 it was just so it was like, are these are 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.560 these lookalikes trying to take it was. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.959 Really okay, why are how how far have they fallen? 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:24.600 Why are they walking down the side of the street. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.360 Right, Yeah, it was really really funny. But yeah, so 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.720 that's that's how the whole event ended, was us just 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.480 walking down the strip back to our hotel and Richard Kine. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.320 As much as I love Rob Wriggil, Richard Kine might 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.200 be one of the funniest human beings. That guy can 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.680 deliver a line. Oh wow, he is phenomenal. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:41.200 I'm trying to think. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.040 And I've heard he's, by the way, like a really smart, 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.840 end upth person. I've heard him tell just really incredible 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.600 stories about his upbringing. I think I knew him best 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.920 from He's one of those faces I know. I guess 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.760 I probably knew him from like maybe mad about you. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:56.760 I don't know. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.640 He's been in a ton I know his voice. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.720 He did voices for a Bugs Life and Toy the 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.200 Toy Story, movies and cars. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:03.600 That's why I. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.560 Think he was just in an inside out too as well. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:07.640 I think, well, a. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.840 Big shout out to the Renovation Foundation, Jeremy Renners Foundation, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:11.720 and wanted. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.160 To go in there in Nevada and shout out to Jeremy. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.760 It was a wonderful new friend to make in my life. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:17.520 Now I got. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.760 Hawkeye on my side, so I'm sorry I wasn't with you, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.719 but I had to ditch you for a very good reason. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.440 I want to give a shout out to my little 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.520 sister who has given birth to her first child. She 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.920 had a baby and they live in Florida, so I couldn't. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:34.840 I wasn't able to go meet him yet because of 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:39.640 the hurricane two hurricanes, two hurricanes, So I had intended 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.720 to go to this event with you, but I just 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:47.000 had to the first moment I was able to congratulations. Well, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.480 I'm blessed in so lucky to have your nephews from 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.599 your brother obviously Hank and Sam, who are wonderful kids, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:05:01.159 but my first baby, and I'm so I'm just so 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.800 happy for my sister and her husband. He is the 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.800 cutest and he's perfect, and my mom. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:08.880 Is so happy. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.880 Shout out to Donna because. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.160 For taking the pressure off thing. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.279 Thank you Christina for yeah finally giving her this gift. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.479 We were hearing a lot of I'm this age and 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.719 I still don't have a grandchild. So she's just in 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.680 bliss and I got to have a beautiful weekend with 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.240 my mom and sister, and I stayed up with an 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.200 infant for the first time in my life. I experienced 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.520 that because I wanted to help my sister get some sleep, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.479 so my mom and I took shifts of staying up 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.080 with the baby. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.359 Wow. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.200 Wow, wow, I get it on the smallest scale. Now, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.039 I don't know how parents do it. I was thinking, 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.120 how does a single parent do this? If you've got 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.599 to stay up all night with an infant, then you 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:56.760 have to go to work the next day. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.000 God bless him, how does a single. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:05:59.360 Parent do this? 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.560 Deep deprivation is used as a torture device, and yet 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.600 it's also how we have to bring the biggest joy 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.200 into our lives, which is having a baby. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.599 I mean, wow, it should remind us all you never 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.640 know what someone's going through. Just because they show up 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.479 to work and they are dressed and they showered and 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.279 they look normal. You don't know what someone's going through, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.960 So be kind, be gentle. Do you persure time or 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:22.920 is it a blur? It is a blur. I remember 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.320 because I was also you know, hosting the show. I 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.320 got the job. I got the Bachelor. When Joshua or 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.760 my son, the oldest was six weeks old. Oh wow. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.159 So when I started shooting the first season, he wasn't 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.480 even a year old yet. And I remember, honestly, when 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.760 I went into my first meeting, I didn't know this, 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.719 but one of the folks I interviewed with for The 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.159 Bachelor told me later I had spit up on my jacket. 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.520 I had no idea. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.320 It was kind of amazing that Josh was there with 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:50.960 you in some way. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.839 Yeah. I walked in and they were like, I was like, 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.280 oh my god, sorry, I just my son, and I 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.240 think you spit up on me. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.120 And I didn't know what if that, like got you 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:00.159 the job did. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.880 They mentioned it because they what the Bachelor wanted was 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.679 that guy next door, a family man, and they wanted 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.880 an unknown, which is really rare. Usually they want a 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.760 big name, and they wanted a no name that didn't 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.640 seem like a creeper hitting on the girls. And so 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.280 the fact that I was married and had a kid 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.120 was one of the main reasons they brought me in, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.400 and then the fact probably I had spit up and 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.160 I hadn't slept it was wait. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.000 I love that because so often it feels like the 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.600 argument is that marriage and children are a hindrance to 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:25.960 a jib. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.800 Yeah, I think it was. It was eighty percent of 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.360 the reason why even was being talked to because they 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.800 had seen my tape. They'd seen my performance from another 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.560 friend and they said, well, who is he? They said, oh, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.360 he's good guys from Texas. He's married and has a kid. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.120 And they're like, oh, great, that's what we're looking for. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.000 But yeah, so thanks to Joshua spit Up, I probably 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.640 became host of The Bachelor. Those days were a blur 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.560 because I would stay up all night for the show. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.920 I would do a rose ceremony. I would come home 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.640 often at seven or eight in the morning because the 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.920 rose ceremonies would go all night, and then I would 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.080 get up, I would walk again and you know, feed 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.280 the baby. You know, you're just walking right into it. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.720 And then it was, yeah, quite a mess. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.360 So did you come home and like help as much 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:09.760 as you could? 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.440 As much as I could, And then I would just 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.120 just pass out for you just grab as you know, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.200 as parents know, you grab these two and three hour rests. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.720 They're not even naps because you don't really fully go asleep, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.400 you just because you're waiting for the baby to cry. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.040 Or hey, I see that now again on the smallest scale, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.920 I see that now, I thought, because you. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.160 Always hear we'll sleep when the baby sleeps, so I thought. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.280 And then you kind of realize, well, no, but you're 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:32.800 nervous because you're like, is. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.040 Are there making noise? Are they okay? 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.360 So you're kind of waking up and then I one 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.199 thing I learned was the feeding takes longer than I thought. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.360 I thought it was, oh, well, they wake up and 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.880 they eat and then you can go back to sleep. No, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.959 the whole feeding thing, because you got feedom a change, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.200 it takes like forty five minutes. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.880 I'm like, wow, it was very educational. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.680 I'm glad I did it, and shout out to you 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.840 and to the kid's mom for everything that you guys 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.160 went through when Josh and Taylor were babies, and all 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:58.839 the love to. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.000 All the parents out there that are blurry eyed going 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:02.920 through their life just. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.440 Trying to you know, I do want to really shut 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.120 that out, and I mean that, and I guess I 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.480 want to circle back to what you just said and emphasize, like, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.120 I'm glad that you being a dad and a husband 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.800 was considered a good thing when you were getting the 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.280 job of the show because you know the fact the 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.240 birth rate is way down in our country. The birth 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.680 rate is down the world over, and I understand that 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.360 a huge part of that. I remember when we had 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.400 doctor Christine Sterling on our podcast and we asked her, like, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.400 why is the birth rate down? She was an obgyn, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.080 and the number one thing she said was finances. You know, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.559 it's really hard to raise a baby now and most 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.760 houses have to be dual income, and so I know 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.240 it's tougher than ever, but I just want to shout 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.920 out the people who are doing it and thank you 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.280 for having babies. And babies are blessings and I'm just 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.920 so happy for my sister and I can't wait to 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:51.800 hang out with them again. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.600 Congrats the family. I'm so excited to be an uncle again. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:56.000 I know. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.960 And I think my sister trusts you with the baby 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.560 more than she trusts me. I'm like, aren't you. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.080 I know, I'm after this weekend, I got I do 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.439 think i'd deproved myself a little bit of your second. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.640 But you you were in the trenchney. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.840 And I wanted to say to her, Hey, I'm your 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.280 older sister. I hope to raise you. Okay, I mean, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:14.640 all right, maybe not her. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.440 I'm only two and a half years older, but honestly, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.360 my brother's eight years younger than me. I one hundred percent. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.320 Like I think when I was ten or eleven years old, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.000 my parents were like, Okay, you got this. We're gonna 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.880 we can go out to dinner for the first time. Yeah, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.800 I mean, I uh, but I do think. Look, obviously 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.520 a baby sat on. My friends have baby so I've 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.560 been around them. But I wanted to take this ant 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.720 thing seriously. I took an infant safety class. I wanted 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.520 to learn baby CPR. I wanted to learn all the 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.880 things you know you maybe don't know unless you read 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.880 a parenting book. It's kind of crazy, right, anybody can 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.360 become a parent, but we don't have to study it 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.840 at all. It's the one thing you don't have to 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.920 go to school for when you're in charge of human life. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.480 I told your sister when they were when they were 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.600 going home, I said, it is the weirdest feeling of 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.439 all the feelings, And I wonder if other parents are 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.320 like this. When I got in the car and the 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.920 I forget which which way kids face these days, But 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:03.800 like at the time. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.720 You safest way is to face them backwards. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.160 Yeah, so back when I had a kid, you just 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.560 put them in forwards so you could see their face 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.720 in the rear view mirror. Now they have like the 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.480 double mirror where you look in the rear view and 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:15.760 then you see the mirror and then you can see 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.719 the child. But anyway, when I had a child, you 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.800 just put them in there and I was looking. I 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.400 just remember driving away from the hospital with a child, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.320 and it's like, like, gave me this. Shouldn't you at 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.120 least give me like a pamphlet, like some sort of 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:30.160 a shouldn't. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.840 I have had to get some kind of certificate, right. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.160 Like if I buy a desk from my Kia, you 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.320 get an instruction I get an instruction manual and some 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.240 and an Alan wrench and a bunch of tools and things. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.400 I got a child. Yeah, I had to bring my 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.480 own car seat. And they're just like good luck. It's 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.920 and you just go and you just get home and 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.760 you're like, okay, so I have a human now, And 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.920 it's really wild how you just figured out and you 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.040 do as all parents do, you just figure it out. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.800 To be a part time employee at Target, I had 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.120 to go through a training. Right, it's not mandated that 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.360 you go through a training to become a parent. Hopefully 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.720 you do, Hopefully you read a book or take a class, 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.160 but it's not required. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.520 It's a scary, scary feeling. So to all the parents 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.960 that are going through it, are about to congratulations, God 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:15.920 bless and good luck. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:16.880 Yeah, but I do. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.960 I think I proved. I kind of had to prove 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.720 myself to her this weekend. But she still feels I 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.800 mean when I've said no, but what about when like 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.800 we take and you could come visit us in Austin 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:41.520 And she's like, yeah, because Chris will be there. So 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.520 we wanted to dive into a few journalistic things that 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.200 have our spidy senses up. And I hope that you 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.719 guys like when we talk about these things, because we 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.199 certainly enjoy it. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.720 It's when things cross over. It's kind of like when 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.480 we want to talk about the Menindez Brothers or p Ditty. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.480 It's when social media, journalism, celebrity kind of all comes 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.080 together and we find ourselves debating this at home, and 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.280 so we thought, let's bring it on the most dramatic 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.080 podcast ever. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.920 So a few things in the news we want to 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.439 talk about journalistically. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.000 First, should we dive in with the TMZ Liam? 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about Liam. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.680 Big controversy in the past week. Former One Direction member 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:31.280 singer Liam Payne horrifically tragically dies from a fall from 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.760 a balcony at a hotel in Argentina. It has come 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.760 out that he had multiple drugs in his system. It's horrible. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:41.520 He was a father and obviously a beloved member of 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.480 that band and loved by many. And I do think 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.720 prosecutors are looking into the case as to where he 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.240 got the drugs and what really happened. But the big 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.160 controversy is that TMZ, when they first reported the news, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.720 ran a photo I can't see it now because they 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.439 took these photos down, but a zoomed in photo of 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.520 his part of his body showing his tattoos. And I 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.640 believe they said in the copy you can see here 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.120 his tattoos. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.479 His torso in his arms. You could see essentially. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.560 They were coming from the I think in the copy 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.200 they were trying to make it sound like they were 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.239 showing that photo to prove that it was Liam. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.520 Let me start with that, because I do take issue 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:22.760 with that. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.720 I don't think anyone would have questioned, was it really Liam, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.480 Like these weren't mysterious circumstances a body's pulled from a 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.880 river or something. He was a guest at a hotel 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:35.920 that he used that Well, I mean he was a 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.960 guest at a hotel who fell from a balcony, and authorities, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.800 I think we're already involved at that point. I don't 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.200 think there was a need to prove it was him. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.880 It wasn't someone died in a car wreck and their 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.480 body is mangled, and who is it? 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:49.760 I don't know. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.000 I just don't think. To me, I think from what 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.880 it seems, the copy of the article was the text 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.320 of what they were saying. They were almost trying to justify, well, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.720 here's why we showed this photo. But really, they know 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.880 they're going to get more clicks if they have that photo. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.360 People have an an innate desire. It's like why we 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.800 can't turn away from a car wreck. So, but there's 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.640 a big backlash they take the photos down, and the 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.840 question is coming up of, you know, journalistically, was that 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.760 right or wrong? A lot of people accusing them of 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.600 just being disgusting but for doing that, So what was 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.040 your first reaction when you heard about that? 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.080 Yeah, and then just to further yeah, kind of, the 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.280 outlet also ran a photo of the police tent that 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.480 they later erected over the body. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:33.520 So took that down as well. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.920 Yeah, and so they you know, I think TMZ is 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.160 a victim of their own success. Harvey Levin, who's a lawyer, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.760 and I'll say this disclaimer, TMZ is very good at 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.600 what they do. Harvey Levin's a very good lawyer. They're 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.840 very astute, They're they're accurate. A lot of times. They 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.480 are accurate because they don't want to get sued. If 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.840 they weren't, they would have been sued a thousand times 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.160 over and they're they're sued all the time. But with 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.880 that said, the reason I say they're a victim of 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.040 their own success is TMZ became very successful for gotcha 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.920 journalism on a grand scale before social media. They were Instagram, 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.920 they were Twitter, they were first on the scene when 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.840 they were the ones that blew mel Gibson up when 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.040 he went on his big at tirade. I don't know 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:21.920 if you remember the anti Semitic plant he went on. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.040 That's kind of where they made their necks. Gotcha journalism, Well, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.560 they just weren't afraid to stick a camera in anybody's face. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.600 That's what I would say, blow your life up. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.640 They were doing it on a level that no one 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.760 had done before, where they were first of all, well, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.160 a huge part of it is that they're first to things, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.600 their first to report things. They're first to things. I mean, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.920 they broke the story that Liam Payne had died. They've 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.720 broken many big, big stories over the years. But yeah, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.040 first to things and unafraid to kind of take that 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.640 next step. They definitely, I think have crossed boundaries over 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.040 the years that other outlets hadn't and took things to 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.360 a new level, and then other outlets maybe felt like 0:16:59.360 --> 0:16:59.640 they had. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:00.000 To keep up. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.960 But yes, my first visceral reaction was just that it 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:10.640 was I it's disgusting. They went beyond too far. It 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.480 was callous, it's inappropriate. I think it's bad journalism. As 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.560 you said, what when you you have to ask yourself 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.440 some questions as a journalist. The news director, Harvey Levin, 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.240 this falls on him one hundred percent. This is your 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.479 final decision. Why are you doing it if it is 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.560 just one hundred percent salacious, one hundred percent just clicks 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.680 that you're going to get because you know nobody else 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.399 is going to do it. That's not enough. It was 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.560 not furthering the story. We didn't learn anything. We knew 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.840 Liam had died. A yeah, there. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:49.439 Is it necessary. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.480 Yeah, it didn't add color to the story. It didn't 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.240 educate us. Well, it didn't educate us in any way 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.240 as far as the news of this story. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.960 It was definitely just to be sillacious. And this is 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.000 not a case where you can say, oh, it was 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.639 like the weekend person was on and they made the 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.560 wrong choice. No, on a story this big, they ran 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.640 it up the flagpole. Everybody was involved. They're consulting their 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.760 deepest sources on this to confirm before publishing that a 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.080