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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and laurenz Eva coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. We are back together. Both

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Speaker 1: of us were gone this weekend. I was in Vegas

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Speaker 1: helping MC and host the Jeremy Renner his Renter Foundation

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Speaker 1: for foster kids that he helps in Nevada and Hawkeuy

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Speaker 1: and the mayor a little bit more for the mayor

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Speaker 1: of Kingstown. I was geeking out a little bit, hanging

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Speaker 1: out with the mayor and he was packing heat all weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was wild. He's he rolls around

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Speaker 1: like the mayor now and just putting people down. No

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Speaker 1: he wasn't You said he was so nice. No, he's

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Speaker 1: the nicest guy. He's good looking, he's smart.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a crush on Jeremy Runner.

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Speaker 1: No, it made me mad. It's like you, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you meet celebrities like that, Because so I had

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Speaker 1: never met Jeremy. I was brought into MC this event

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Speaker 1: and it was fantastic, and I had heard wonderful things

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Speaker 1: about him, which is why I agreed to do it,

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Speaker 1: and then I I spent time with him. But what

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Speaker 1: really struck me is before I met Jeremy. His I

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Speaker 1: think future brother in law picked me up at the airport.

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Speaker 1: His niece was in the car with me. I met

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Speaker 1: his sister who's the president of the foundation. His mom

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Speaker 1: was there, and he adores his family. They're all very

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Speaker 1: tight and everybody's involved in this. It was all hands

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Speaker 1: on deck and it was just like okay, like this

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Speaker 1: is a family event. And he really relished that. So

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Speaker 1: and he's not one of those guys that just didn't

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Speaker 1: show to stuff like he was with the kids. He

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Speaker 2: Speaks volumes, right.

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Speaker 3: I think the people who look fame can change you,

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Speaker 3: but if you stay grounded in your family and your friends,

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Speaker 1: And it was a great event that he you know,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the concert and this is the for

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Speaker 1: the inaugural event. We had a poker tournament, we played

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Speaker 1: some golf and all that, and then there was a

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Speaker 1: big concert that like mister mister Cool in the Gang

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Speaker 1: Cheap Trick, Rob Bass. It was like Robin Thick. But

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Speaker 1: it was like my greatest if you if I had

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Speaker 1: gone to the Perfect Bar spring break in college music. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was crushing it. Anyway, it was great and it

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Speaker 1: was wonderful to meet Jeremy, a couple friends. Makai Pfeiffer

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Speaker 1: was there, who I've known for years, such a sweet guy.

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Speaker 1: He and his wife. Rob Wriggle are good friend. And

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Speaker 1: comedian Richard Kind was there, who he's another one who

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Speaker 1: I've just known for years at through events and just

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Speaker 1: so there was I'll just tell you one quick story.

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Speaker 1: We get done. The event was at the Brooklyn Bowl,

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Speaker 1: which is by the link the big carousel whatever there

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, and we were staying at the Plazzo. It

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Speaker 1: was really only a ten minute walk, so it's not

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Speaker 1: Kind and I decide we're just going to walk back

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Speaker 1: stopped to get a slice of pizza. So but to

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Speaker 1: I'm staying there with Richard Kine and Rob Wriggle and myself,

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Speaker 1: it was just so it was like, are these are

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Speaker 3: Really okay, why are how how far have they fallen?

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Speaker 2: Why are they walking down the side of the street.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was really really funny. But yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's that's how the whole event ended, was us just

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Speaker 1: As much as I love Rob Wriggil, Richard Kine might

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Speaker 1: be one of the funniest human beings. That guy can

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Speaker 1: deliver a line. Oh wow, he is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 3: And I've heard he's, by the way, like a really smart,

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Speaker 3: stories about his upbringing. I think I knew him best

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Speaker 3: from He's one of those faces I know. I guess

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Speaker 1: He's been in a ton I know his voice.

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Speaker 3: He did voices for a Bugs Life and Toy the

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Speaker 1: Think he was just in an inside out too as well.

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Speaker 3: Big shout out to the Renovation Foundation, Jeremy Renners Foundation,

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Speaker 1: To go in there in Nevada and shout out to Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: It was a wonderful new friend to make in my life.

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Speaker 3: the hurricane two hurricanes, two hurricanes, So I had intended

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Speaker 3: had to the first moment I was able to congratulations. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm blessed in so lucky to have your nephews from

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Donna because.

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Speaker 1: For taking the pressure off thing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Christina for yeah finally giving her this gift.

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Speaker 3: We were hearing a lot of I'm this age and

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Speaker 3: I don't know how parents do it. I was thinking,

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Speaker 3: Deep deprivation is used as a torture device, and yet

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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, it should remind us all you never

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Speaker 1: So when I started shooting the first season, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: I went into my first meeting, I didn't know this,

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Speaker 1: but one of the folks I interviewed with for The

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Speaker 1: Bachelor told me later I had spit up on my jacket.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of amazing that Josh was there with

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I walked in and they were like, I was like,

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know what if that, like got you

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Speaker 1: They mentioned it because they what the Bachelor wanted was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. It was eighty percent of

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Speaker 3: Or hey, I see that now again on the smallest scale,

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Speaker 1: All the parents out there that are blurry eyed going

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Speaker 3: Trying to you know, I do want to really shut

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you being a dad and a husband

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Speaker 3: was considered a good thing when you were getting the

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Speaker 3: Big controversy in the past week. Former One Direction member

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Speaker 3: know what world we're living in. You know, we're living

440
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Speaker 3: in the world of social media where everybody has a

441
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Speaker 3: phone by the way on their end. Remember they got

442
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Speaker 3: in trouble because some of their officers were taking pictures

443
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Speaker 3: of the scene and showing it to people.

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Speaker 2: You have to be on top of notice that.

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Speaker 3: Events.

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Speaker 1: I believe the sheriff'sportment, So.

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Speaker 3: That to me, that's a back and forth between the

448
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Speaker 3: sheriffs and TMZ. If some of the people's.

449
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Speaker 2: Families already know some family members already.

450
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Speaker 3: Know, well they could call the other people's family. Like,

451
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Speaker 3: if the story's out to family members at that point,

452
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Speaker 3: that's on the sheriff's department. That's on authorities. You need

453
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Speaker 3: to be identifying or I mean notifying people. I keep

454
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Speaker 3: mixing those up.

455
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Speaker 2: Sorry, but.

456
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Speaker 3: I think that going back to reflective of the time,

457
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Speaker 3: I thought about it, and I'm like, I don't know,

458
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: like back in do you think back in the nineties,

459
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Speaker 3: if they'd shown those photos, like say the National inquirer

460
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Speaker 3: had I think people might have looked at it in

461
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Speaker 3: the supermarket and been like, oh, that's gross that they

462
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Speaker 3: showed it, or I think they might have, but but

463
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Speaker 3: they would bought the copy in secret to read it themselves.

464
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Speaker 3: I think today, because people can respond so much on

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Speaker 3: social media.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's why the photos came down. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, in nineteen ninety four, the Seattle Times ran a

469
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Speaker 1: photo of Kurt Cobain's body after the Nevana frontman died

470
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Speaker 1: by suicide. The answer your question is right there. No,

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Times did.

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Speaker 2: It a much more sort of lauded outlet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to remember there were such thing

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Speaker 1: as newspapers and they were huge at the time, and

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Speaker 1: that's a big city and that was huge. It was

477
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Speaker 1: not a big deal and that kind of kind of

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Speaker 1: that it was a big.

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Speaker 2: Deal, but it was just seen more as part of

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Speaker 2: the story.

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Speaker 1: The Nationally wire ran pictures all the time. When I

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Speaker 1: said they're a victim of their own success, I think

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. They got famous by doing this,

484
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Speaker 1: and I think they just forgot times have changed a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: That was my thought was they were kind of moving

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Speaker 3: through their normal method and trying to get the story

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Speaker 3: up quickly. And I will say journalistically, when you are

489
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Speaker 3: moving fast, you're trying to make all the right choices.

490
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Speaker 3: But I'm not saying things don't slip through the cracks

491
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Speaker 3: because you're moving fast. So I thought they're on their

492
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Speaker 3: regular systemic things what they do, and maybe they didn't

493
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Speaker 3: register that even from the Kobe Bryant thing a few

494
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Speaker 3: years ago, social media has changed a lot and they

495
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Speaker 3: got a major backlash for it and they took the

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Speaker 3: photos down, so they're responding to how times have changed.

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Speaker 3: But I think they wouldn't do that again from here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think they ever issued an apology or

499
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Speaker 1: said they were wrong. They just took them down editorially

500
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Speaker 1: made that and then they said we have photos.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to hurt them as a brand.

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Speaker 3: I think people still feel the same way about TMZ.

503
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Speaker 3: I think people knew TMZ kind of again went that

504
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Speaker 3: extra step sometimes, and I think ultimately people will still

505
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Speaker 3: go to them if they break the big stories. You know,

506
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Speaker 3: if they're the ones who are well, you're going to

507
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: want that news. And they are sort of known for

508
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Speaker 3: having like deep connections in law enforcement and in the

509
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Speaker 3: court system to kind of get.

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Speaker 2: Notified like, oh, hey, FYI, this paper work got filed.

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Speaker 1: They hear about divorces, they hear about houses being sold,

512
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Speaker 1: they hear about people being pulled over for d uys,

513
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Speaker 1: and and you know TMZ works, and that they know

514
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Speaker 1: it's like the DMZ is. That's the play on words.

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Speaker 1: It's the thirty mile zone around Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason when we got married legally, we

518
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Speaker 3: got married in Texas because in part we wanted to

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Speaker 3: be married in Texas, but also I knew if we

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Speaker 3: filed that paperwork at California, like our marriage certificate stuff, yeah,

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Speaker 3: then if we up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and we wanted to stay in private as

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Speaker 1: long as we could. And you have to think those

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Speaker 1: things to try. And you know, when you file for divorce.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I filed for divorce, we put everything

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Speaker 1: in my ex wife's name. It wouldn't be so she filed,

527
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Speaker 1: even though it was amicable and we were doing everything together.

528
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Speaker 1: We put everything in her name and I think maybe

529
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Speaker 1: even her maiden name, so everything would stay off the

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Speaker 1: grid and so nobody would find out and.

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Speaker 3: They did because no matter how famous you are, you

532
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Speaker 3: still have to do things through the courts, and that becomes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and sadly you can't trust the courts. It will

534
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Speaker 1: get out like it'll it'll ping and someone's making you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a court.

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Speaker 3: Right When people wonder how to TMZ get these how

537
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Speaker 3: does TMZ get these stories, it's through those pathways. So

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Speaker 3: where do I think we agree on this that they

539
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Speaker 3: probably just as a sign of the times, should not

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Speaker 3: have run those photos. And I'm not ethically justifying running

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Speaker 3: those photos. I'm just saying I think years ago it

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Speaker 3: would have sort of been seen as you just wouldn't

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Speaker 3: get the backlash from it.

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Speaker 1: They they You're right. They clicked into the mode of

545
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Speaker 1: here we go, we know how to do this, this

546
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Speaker 1: is how we've been successful. And look, we ran into

547
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Speaker 1: this on the Bachelor. For many times, you would be

548
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Speaker 1: doing something and you're like, oh, we've run into this

549
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Speaker 1: situation before. This is how we treated it, and this

550
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Speaker 1: is how we took advantage of it made it successful.

551
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Speaker 1: And then you do it and this new generation had

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Speaker 1: there's a backlash to it. You know, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you know, TMZ's catching a lot of backlash. This is triggering,

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Speaker 1: this activated me, and well, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's more so just like what is it the

556
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Speaker 3: right thing to do or not, because just because it

557
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Speaker 3: happened years ago, I don't think it's the right thing

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Speaker 3: to do on a human level.

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Speaker 2: Again, I would ask do you need to do it?

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Speaker 2: And I don't think you do.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to show the photo of him when

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Speaker 3: we know what happened, we know it was him. No

563
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Speaker 3: one needs to see it with their eyes to like

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Speaker 3: believe it.

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Speaker 1: You know, and that and that was the difference to me.

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Speaker 1: He's a human with a family, and that was the

567
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Speaker 1: difference in the Kobe Bryant case. You know, I didn't

568
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Speaker 1: you know you And I remember that day vividly because

569
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Speaker 1: I was out just a mile or so from where

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Speaker 1: it happened, because that's where we were living. You were

571
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Speaker 1: at work, and I remember you calling me and the

572
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: rumors were swirling, the buzz, and then TMZ broke the

573
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Speaker 1: story very quickly that it had happened. It was confirmed.

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Speaker 1: They didn't host a picture, and there were pictures, and

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Speaker 1: that's what Vanessa Bryant won a very huge settlement because

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Speaker 1: they had taken pictures. The Sheriff's Department. Click took pictures

577
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Speaker 1: of the of the of the scene of the accident.

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Speaker 1: Those did not get out, and the press and TMZ

579
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Speaker 1: they just broke the news story that Kobe had passed

580
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Speaker 1: and so that I was okay with because that was

581
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Speaker 1: pure breaking news. They got it first, They broke the story.

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Speaker 1: If that had been CNN, CNN would have run the story,

583
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Speaker 1: you know, Fox News would have run the story. TMZ

584
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: just got it because they did a better job of

585
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Speaker 1: investigative reporting. So I don't blame them for that. This

586
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Speaker 1: was just a bridge too far, and there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a difference in it.

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Speaker 3: Next story, Yes, we wanted to talk about a very

589
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Speaker 3: different journalistic outlet, sixty Minutes. Yeah, so sixty Minutes did

590
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Speaker 3: an interview a few weeks ago now I think YEP

591
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Speaker 3: with Vice President Kamala Harris presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

592
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Speaker 2: And what has.

593
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Speaker 3: Come out is that there are two different video clips

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Speaker 3: available to see of an answer she gave to a question.

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Speaker 3: One answer is much longer and one answer is much shorter.

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Speaker 3: And the reason they're different is because one clip of

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Speaker 3: this question and answer was edited, I believe for the Internet,

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Speaker 3: or maybe no for the show.

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Speaker 2: That's why it was shure.

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Speaker 1: They released, well, they released before the interview took place

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Speaker 1: on sixty minutes, before they aired it on sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: They released it to X. They always do this, They'll

603
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Speaker 1: put out teasers, this is what you're going to see,

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Speaker 1: and it's unedited.

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Speaker 3: And so it was much longer online, much longer, and

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Speaker 3: then it was edited on the television show.

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Speaker 1: We all watched sixty minutes. The answer was, and I'll

608
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Speaker 1: just say this, when they put it out on X

609
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Speaker 1: and I watched the whole thing. It was kind of

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Speaker 1: what Kamala has been derided for, which was a long

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Speaker 1: winded kind of word salad, jumbled up, didn't really make

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Speaker 1: sense answer, and it didn't make her look good at all.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to sixty minutes and she gives a very

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Speaker 1: solid SoundBite, short, succinct, and the interviewer kind of picked

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Speaker 1: up where she left off, finished her thought and then

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Speaker 1: moved on and everybody was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's

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Speaker 1: not what we just saw. They completely edited this to

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Speaker 1: make her look better, and it did. It made her

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Speaker 1: look a lot better. It made her look intelligent, succinct, thoughtful.

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Speaker 3: I want to read this statement from sixty minutes, because

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Speaker 3: they got a lot of backlash online, people arguing, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that this editing made her look better, that hey, this

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Speaker 3: is a presidential election, and you have a responsibility to

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Speaker 3: the American people to show them who they're voting for.

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Speaker 3: As a journalistic outlet, people wondering if this was a

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Speaker 3: violation of any kind of sort of the codes that

627
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Speaker 3: we have surrounding Yeah, surrounding campaigns. And here's CBS News's statement,

628
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Speaker 3: former President Donald Trump is accusing sixty minutes of deceitful

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Speaker 3: editing of our October seventh interview with Vice President Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: That is false.

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Speaker 3: Sixty minutes gave an expert of our interview to face

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Speaker 3: the nation that used a longer section of her answer

633
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Speaker 3: than that on sixty minutes, same question, same answer, but

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Speaker 3: a different portion of the response. When we edit any interview,

635
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Speaker 3: whether politician, athlete, or movie star, we strive to be clear, accurate,

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Speaker 3: and on point. The portion of her answer on sixty

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Speaker 3: minutes was more succinct, which allows time for other subjects

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Speaker 3: in a wide ranging, twenty one minute long segment. Remember,

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Speaker 3: mister Trump pulled out of his interview with sixty minutes

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Speaker 3: and the Vice President participated. Our long standing invitation to

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Speaker 3: former President Trump remains open. If he would like to

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00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: discuss the issues facing the nation and the Harris interview,

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: we would be happy to have him on. So here's

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Speaker 3: my first issue with that statement. Why are they making

645
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Speaker 3: it all about Trump?

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Speaker 2: I am on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I know Trump said something about the interview, but to me,

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Speaker 3: this wasn't a Trump versus them thing. Way more people

649
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: were on x Twitter taking issue and questioning what had

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Speaker 3: happened here and questioning why her answer was so succinct

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Speaker 3: on the show, but they had seen a much longer,

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Speaker 3: more rambling interview answer on the internet. So the fact

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Speaker 3: that they made it them versus Trump, to me, comes

654
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Speaker 3: across so immature. It's not what a journalistic outlooks should do.

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Speaker 3: It makes the American people have less trust in them.

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Speaker 3: And this has been my issue so much in the

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Speaker 3: past few months. I don't want the American people to

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Speaker 3: lose trust in the media, and I feel like our

659
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Speaker 3: industry is killing itself literally, the losing viewers, losing audiences

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Speaker 3: with how they're operating the past few months. If they

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Speaker 3: made it about them versus Trump, and the American people

662
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Speaker 3: feel lost in the conversation, like, hey, wait, we had

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Speaker 3: questions about this, right, talk to us.

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Speaker 2: Why are you making this you versus showing.

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Speaker 1: A problem with it? Right, you're journalists, by the way,

666
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Speaker 1: the other journalists and other shows have picked this up.

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Speaker 1: This is not a Trump versus and I think that's

668
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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. But that the funny thing

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Speaker 1: about that statement is it was as big of a

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Speaker 1: word salad as Kamala Harris's answer. You're lying because what

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Speaker 1: you're saying in that statement is we did exactly what

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Speaker 1: you are accusing us of. We edited it to make

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Speaker 1: her more succinct. That full stop. You said that in

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Speaker 1: your answer. You're telling us what you did, and then

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Speaker 1: you're saying you didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: When they say in the statement, when we edit any interview,

677
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Speaker 3: whether a politician, athlete, or movie star, we try to

678
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Speaker 3: be clear. We strive to be clear, accurate and on point. Well,

679
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: of course you do. The part of you striving to

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Speaker 3: be clear and accurate is showing people how their president

681
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Speaker 3: is actually going to address things. So to me, there's

682
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Speaker 3: a big difference between editing for time and editing where

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Speaker 3: you make somebody look like they are more succinct and competition.

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Speaker 1: You didn't meant to make it accurate or succinct.

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00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: You've you actually made it inaccurate by editing it for time.

686
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you just happened to fix something

687
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Speaker 1: that would have made her look bad. So in sixty Minutes.

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Speaker 1: The reason we brought this up is they actually came

689
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Speaker 1: out in this latest episode of Sixty Minutes the other

690
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Speaker 1: night on Sunday to defend themselves and we're Vietment vehemently

691
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: denying everything, and it's like, okay, now thou dost protest

692
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: way too much. So they had the Leslie Stall mistake

693
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Speaker 1: and the gaff with Trump. Now they've had this, so

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Speaker 1: CBS News is having a really bad run. And then

695
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Speaker 1: of course they had the disaster of the debate, So

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Speaker 1: they're having a really bad run in sixty Minutes, who

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Speaker 1: was always held in such high esteem.

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Speaker 2: So high the show, yeah it.

699
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Speaker 1: Was the show is really really having a disastrous run.

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Speaker 2: And I will hear it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say one thing, yeah about the media.

702
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Speaker 1: They're so obsessed and captivated by Trump, and I don't

703
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Speaker 1: think they know what to do because they were blamed

704
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: the first time for getting him elected because they they

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Speaker 1: were blame for treating him with kid gloves and having

706
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Speaker 1: fun with him and getting helping get him in the

707
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Speaker 1: White House. They're so I think, going the polar opposite

708
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Speaker 1: direction if if Kamala Harris doesn't win, the media will

709
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Speaker 1: be a huge part to blame because, like you just said,

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Speaker 1: they're so obsessed with Donald Trump. Just do your job.

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Speaker 1: If you guys would just do your job, everything will

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Speaker 1: turn out the way it should be. Show Kamala for

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Speaker 1: who she is, show Trump for who he is. And

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Speaker 1: they do that, by the way, they do let Trump

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Speaker 1: go off and talk about Arnold Palmer's junk, which he

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Speaker 1: just did in a bizarre way. So they are so

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Speaker 1: obsessed and they're making so many mistakes lately.

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Speaker 3: That I just think what's happening is is they're really

719
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: looking like they're protecting Kamala Harris, which actually ultimately does

720
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Speaker 3: kind of a disservice to her as a candidate to

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Speaker 3: the American people, because the American people are smart and

722
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: have eyes and ears, and they can see that that

723
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Speaker 3: protection is happening, and so it makes them trust her less.

724
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Speaker 3: They're generally pulling the best bits from her and the

725
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: worst bits from Trump, and both things are making the

726
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Speaker 3: American people trust them less and they have to, as

727
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: you just said, go back to doing their job. And

728
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Speaker 3: here's where sixty minutes could have really easily gained some

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Speaker 3: trust back release the transcript of the interview. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people, a lot of journalists who are more independent now,

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Speaker 3: like Megan Kelly, were saying, just release the transcript.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a fair ask.

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Speaker 3: Like, for example, when Time interviewed Donald Trump and in

734
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Speaker 3: sixty minutes of sitting here being like, well Trump won't

735
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Speaker 3: come on, Okay, well commel it wouldn't do Time. I mean,

736
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Speaker 3: each candidate is gonna make their choices about what they're

737
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: doing and what they're not and that's up to the

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Speaker 3: people to look at.

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Speaker 2: Which outlets if they can to help the campaign. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean this is a campaign.

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Speaker 3: But Time just released the full, full Q and A

742
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Speaker 3: with Trump, and that's what they published sixty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Just release the transcript. Because here's the difference.

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Speaker 3: If you are editing for Time, it should still be accurate,

745
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: it should still reflect the person's answer. So why do

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Speaker 3: you have an issue with releasing the transcript versus this

747
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: statement that you just gave. And they say in the

748
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: statement here as well. You know, when we edit any interview,

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Speaker 3: whether a politician, athlete, or movie star, Well, there's a

750
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Speaker 3: big difference between if a movie star rambles about their

751
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: movie versus a politician ram about or speaking I won't

752
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: even say rambling speaking at length about an issue that

753
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: affects the way everyone in this country lives. Yeah, you

754
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: can edit a movie star down for time when they're

755
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Speaker 3: talking about their latest project. But here the American people,

756
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: it's different. They need to see and hear and understand

757
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: exactly what this candidate intends to do, and they need

758
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Speaker 3: to make a judgment on this candidate in a way

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Speaker 3: that really affects their lives in a real way, not

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Speaker 3: just what movie they're going to see this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Stop treating people like they're stupid. They're not. Stop gaslighting

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Speaker 1: us and telling us that we aren't seeing with their

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Speaker 1: own eyes what we just saw sixty minutes. Massive fail. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: Brett bher Over at Fox News did the sit down

765
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Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris interrupted her. They counted thirty eight times,

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Speaker 1: and there was a clip that he called for, and

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Speaker 1: I think they thought it was either the wrong clip

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Speaker 1: ran or something happened one of the things. I I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it about Brett Bears is he's come out and

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Speaker 1: kind of faced it. He's like, no, I understand how

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Speaker 1: you could have that criticism of me interrupting her thirty

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Speaker 1: eight times. I was trying. She was going, you know,

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Speaker 1: like she had to your point. She had an agenda

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Speaker 1: when she went on Fox News. Of course she did

775
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Speaker 1: her it'd be crazy not to. She was prepared to

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Speaker 1: go into the hostile territory and kind of say what

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Speaker 1: she needed to say to that side of the aisle.

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Speaker 1: And I think she got her point across, and she

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Speaker 1: she handled herself. And then Brett bhar his job was

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Speaker 1: to try to get her back on point and answer

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Speaker 1: some of the questions. So he said, look, I understand

782
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: why people think I interrupted too much, and then he

783
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: admitted the wrong clip ran good way to own it.

784
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Speaker 1: That's what a journalist did. By the way, neither one

785
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: of us are perfect, and you don't expect your journalists

786
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: to be perfect. If sixty minutes made a mistake, say hey, guys,

787
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: you're right. You know what, Let's run this whole clip.

788
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's put it up. This is what she said in

789
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Speaker 1: its entirety. You be the judge but it's just the

790
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Speaker 1: telling us, not giving us the facts, not giving us

791
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Speaker 1: the truth, and then telling us we didn't just see you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what they're caught up in a little

793
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: bit here is this isn't as their statement alludes to,

794
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: this isn't a crazy practice. You have a TV show

795
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Speaker 3: that has to run for a certain amount of time.

796
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: When I used to interview you, we edited down your answer.

797
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: You had to you go on a red carpet and

798
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: talk to someone, You get X amount of minutes with them.

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Speaker 3: You can only share a short clip of that as

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Speaker 3: part of entertainment tonight the program.

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00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, editing's not know of course.

802
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Speaker 2: And it has to be done.

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Speaker 3: You literally have x amount of minutes sixty but commercial

804
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: breaks where you can show your segment on television on

805
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: the internet, you have more time. We would often at

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00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: ET release longer versions of interviews online because you have

807
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: more time and because people would want that content. Like

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Speaker 3: if I interviewed you, I might have literally a one

809
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Speaker 3: minute segment as part of ET where I could air

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Speaker 3: our interview and then online we would release a longer version.

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Speaker 3: Editing happens. But when you have been called into question

812
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Speaker 3: as to whether you edited someone to make them look

813
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: better a presidential candidate. Why not just alleviate the concerns

814
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Speaker 3: and release the full transcript and publish the full transcript,

815
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Speaker 3: which people have a right to read because they're voting

816
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Speaker 3: for the person who's going to.

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Speaker 1: Run now, and you're an unbiased news organization, so you

818
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Speaker 1: don't care.

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00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: Why not do that?

820
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Speaker 3: That's the problem, and that's again why they're losing this credibility.

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Speaker 3: And like what Brett Bear's talking about, it's tough like

822
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Speaker 3: to give people some context when someone comes in for

823
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Speaker 3: an interview. I mean I only interviewed film and TV.

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Speaker 3: People say that I was doing a junk kit. They

825
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Speaker 3: come in, they sit down. Things are always running late.

826
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Speaker 3: Interviews have always run late. People have had to take

827
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Speaker 3: bathroom breaks, equipment issues have happened. Everything's always running late,

828
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Speaker 3: so things are tense. They come in. Maybe you thought

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Speaker 3: you had five minutes. They walk in and they say, no, sorry,

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Speaker 3: things are running late. You only have three and a

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Speaker 3: half minutes, and you, as a journalist, have list of

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Speaker 3: all these things you want to get to in three

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Speaker 3: and a half minutes. As part of that three and

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Speaker 3: a half minutes, you also kind of need to establish

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Speaker 3: or a poor so that it's not really awkward. You

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Speaker 3: want to try to have some normal human conversation. It's

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Speaker 3: not easy. And I know Brett Behar said that he

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Speaker 3: came in, he said that they were running late. He

839
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Speaker 3: thought he'd have twenty five minutes. They told him only twenty.

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Speaker 3: They were hard wrapping him and waving at him for

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Speaker 3: the interview to end. So it can be very stressful.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, it's not perfect. But in this case,

843
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: then what you do is you explain it. You tell

844
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: people here's what happened. You give them a fuller picture

845
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Speaker 3: of the story. You don't shut people down with a

846
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Speaker 3: statement and just make it about you versus Trump and

847
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Speaker 3: cut the American people out of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. The hypocrisy is sixty minutes has always

849
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Speaker 1: been about making things clear and transparent. That's their job,

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Speaker 1: investigative journalists, And what they're doing is exactly what a

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes interviewer would try to debunk. They would try

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Speaker 1: to make this story clear and succinct and transparent. And

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Speaker 1: what they're doing is muddying the waters and they're lying.

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Speaker 1: And a good journalist would go in and just blow

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Speaker 1: this story up because and by the way, a third

856
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Speaker 1: grade journalist, this is not good, this is not hard.

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Speaker 1: You release the transcript, I would take a look at

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Speaker 1: it and you would debunk this entire lie that sixty

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Speaker 1: minutes is perpetrating. But the biggest problem that I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have is the hill that they

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Speaker 1: always run to is blaming it on Trump. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, and I say the same thing, journalists, we

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Speaker 1: need you to be better. You need to be the

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Speaker 1: beacon on the hill, the shining light that we can

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Speaker 1: always go to for the truth, for transparency, for a

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Speaker 1: little honesty. We need a break. And instead this spokesperson

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Speaker 1: for sixty minutes somehow blamed Donald Trump and made it

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Speaker 1: all about Donald Trump and then said, well, he was

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Speaker 1: invited to come on, but he won't come on. That

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the facts of this story.

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Speaker 1: It is one hundred and eighty degrees polar opposite of

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. We're talking about one interview with

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Speaker 1: one human being. It has nothing to do with Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump zero. But that's exactly where they went. And that's

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Speaker 1: what a lot of media does is they blame him

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Speaker 1: as if two wrongs make a right.

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Speaker 2: Sixty minutes rise above.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that people generally are tired of the

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Speaker 3: toxicity and the and I'm not absolving anyone here, like

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Speaker 3: both candidates do it too, but at least leave it

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Speaker 3: to the candidates to blame each other back and forth,

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Speaker 3: and as the journalists don't do that.

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Speaker 2: I don't really care that.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump weighed in on this interview. I think the

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Speaker 3: point is you're supposed to be the voice of the people.

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Speaker 3: As the media, you're supposed to be looking out for

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Speaker 3: the people. And I saw a lot of people on

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Speaker 3: Twitter questioning this, So explain it. Talk to the people.

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Speaker 2: That's who you're doing the show for, right the people

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Speaker 2: at home. So talk to the people.

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Speaker 3: And address them, and don't make it about you versus Trump.

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Speaker 3: I don't there's enough of the media versus the candidate.

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Speaker 3: I need you, the media, to be there for me,

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Speaker 3: the viewer. And that's how I feel about it. So

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Speaker 3: we continue, and the election is a couple weeks away,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see what happens, and maybe we can all

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Speaker 3: take a breather after and I hope for the best.

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Speaker 1: Will journalism return. We have hope in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: There's look that what gives me hope I think is shifting.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of great podcasts out there that

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Speaker 3: I listen to. Would be happy to recommend a few

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Speaker 3: if anybody's interested, Shoot me a DM and you know

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Speaker 3: we will see you guys again next time, and we'll

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Speaker 3: hopefully try to be the voice for you because we

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Speaker 3: have a lot more to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most

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