1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: I'm Erica Alexander and I'm Whitney Dow. Welcome to Reparations 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: The Big Payback, a production of Color Farm Media, I 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and The Black Effect Podcast Network. Hey Whitney, Hello, Erica. 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Something I've always wanted to ask you. You've got one 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: of those old time white boy last name first named Whitney. 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: You know, I mean you can be like Dow Whitney 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: instead of Whitney Dow. Well, you know, Eric, I do 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: have a cousin named dal Whitney. You know, our family 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: kind of just recycles their names over and over. Are 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: you profiling me? No? No, No, it's just your name. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting. Yeah, interesting. I just think 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know, that's like the ultimate you know, 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: you're in trouble with a black woman when she says 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, okay, well how would you know? Not 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: only have I been around Erica, I've been around you 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, okay, Well, you know it just struck 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: me that we're talking and about reparations and slavery and all. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: And you're from Massachusetts, right, and went to an Ivy 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: League school, so yes, and well, in seventeen, another Massachusetts 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Ivy leaguer Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin. Now that 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: greatly strengthened the economic foundations of slavery in this country. 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: And it was a paradox because the cotton gin, a 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: labor saving device, helped make cotton profitable, vastly increasing the 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: spread of slavery labor from Georgia all the way down 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: to Texas, and preserving and prolonging slavery in the United 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: States for another seventy years. Wait a minute, Erica, you 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: know you can't put that on me. I'm not responsible 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: for the cotton gin. Yeah no, no, yeah, yeah, that's 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: what they all say. I just think it's interesting. Yeah, interesting. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: You know, I know you don't approve and by interesting, yes, yeah, 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: well you know, Erica Herman Melville, another New Englander, said 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I did not name myself wrong me not because I 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: have a wicked name. Well that's a good one, you know, 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: and I'd use it myself if my name was messed 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: up like that. Yeah. Well, I don't think my name's 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: messed up. But go on, thanks a lot. Look I 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: share because I care saved by the bill. To night 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: part two of our main event, the Heavyweight Bout. We've 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: all been waiting for the epic battle between the Case 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: four Reparations and the Case against Reparations. If you're just 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: joining us, I'm your host, Eric Alexander. I've been here 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: in historic Madison Square Garden since last week. Oh my dires, 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: whoa to bring you all the thrilling round by round 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: action in this colossal matchup? Joining me at ringside as 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: color man Whitney, Dow Whitney. This has been a hell 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: of a fight so far. Are it looks like the 47 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Case four Reparations is down for the count? It certainly does, Erica. 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: But how we didn't see it because it was a 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: spruce shot from a Congressman Mike Johnson blindsided his opponent, 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: congress Woman's Jela Jackson Lee, when he revealed he had 51 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: a black son. What are you talking about, willis? Yes, 52 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: a black son. We took custody of Michael and made 53 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: him part of our family twenty two years ago when 54 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: we were just newlyweds and Michael was just fourteen and 55 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: out on the streets and nowhere to go on a 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: very dangerous path. Michael's grown now, he has his own 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: young family. He turns thirty six years old next week. 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: And he's a loving dad to four precious children of 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: his own. God has been good to us, and he's 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: a success story. I mentioned that today for one reason. 61 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: I personally know the challenge that he has faced early 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: in his life. I have walked with him through discrimination 63 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: that he had he's had to endure over the years, 64 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: and the hurdles he's sometimes faced. I know all this, 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: but God was I was with him. I asked Michael 66 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: this weekend what he thinks about the idea of reparations 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: and dig this wait for it, he says, his black 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: sun is against reparations. Riddle me that. Well, no wonder, 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: Sheila jackonally never saw that coming. That's certainly a new 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: twist on the old I've got a black friend. The 71 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: thing is a black son beats a black friend every time. Well, 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: with tactics like that, the case four contenders must step 73 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: up their gain. They'll need a hero, They'll need a 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: fo Wait, hang on, though, hang on, who's this coming 75 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: to the center of the ring. It's former New Orleans 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: mayor Mark morel is the head of the Urban League 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: and a champion in the High four. Reparations. Stop the count, 78 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: Stop that count. Mark Mario has something to say. We 79 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: have to keep a pressure all. Look, we have to 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: define reparations. Some people want to define reparations as a 81 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: give me a check bill. That's not reparations. Reparations could 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: include that, And after all, let's be clear and honest. 83 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: The United States has paid reparations before to Japanese who 84 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: were interred in the camps, and there are other examples. 85 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: So this is not a new radical revolutionary concept, the 86 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: notion of reparations. It is a concept that this nation 87 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: has resistant when it comes to those whose ancestors were 88 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: enslaved for two hundred and fifty years, and in the 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: case of many of us who grew up in the South, 90 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: our ancestors lived under a system of American aparthei called 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: segregation for another one hundred years. I can trace my 92 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: family on my mother's side all the way back to 93 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: the Whitney Plantation, which is now the Whitney Slave Museum 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: in Saint John, the Baptist Parish, Louisiana. That particular plantation 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: had some three hundred plus slaves. But the point of 96 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the matter is is that I think that there's energy 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: in the house. We're gonna have to build the energy 98 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: in the United States Senate. I think it's time to 99 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: do this. There's an abundance of evidence which shows if 100 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: you address economic disparities that the benefit for the nation 101 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: would be that it would expand GDP by some three 102 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: to five trillion. Well, that's on a base let's say 103 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: six seventeen to nineteen trillion, which is a total size 104 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: of the American economy. People said, well, how is that 105 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: the case? Because you have people of color who have 106 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: been held down and structural racism has eliminated their ability 107 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: to work to their potential and to work to their 108 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: complete ability to contribute to themselves, their families, and to society. 109 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: And when you unleash that power, the benefits are going 110 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: to be to them and their families, but also to 111 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: society much more broaded. So I think that's why discussion 112 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: around reparations and a discussion around racial justice has to 113 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: also help people understand not just the history of what 114 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: has happened in this nation since sixty nineteen, but also 115 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: what is the vision for a nation that addresses the 116 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: issues of racial justice, that repairs the breach of the 117 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: last three hundred years. I mean, we have to articulate 118 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: that vision, which I think is a positive vision well 119 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: at the same time helping people understand the predicate. I 120 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: think it requires significant public and private investment in infrastructure, 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: in education, because black communities have been under invested in 122 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: public and private investment has bypassed black communities in many cities. 123 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: And it would involve investment in infrastructure, which includes investment 124 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: in people because years and years of under investment. You know, 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: when I was growing up in the worlds, you would 126 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: see neighborhoods where the street was paid for six blocks 127 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and when all of a sudden it stopped, and then 128 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: for the next five blocks the street was kind of 129 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: like a little dirt road. And when you looked up 130 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and you said, why is it this way? Because this 131 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: is where the white residents lived, and this is where 132 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: the black neighborhood started. It's basically the same neighborhood divided 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: this section black. This section, like this section had a playground. 134 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: The school they went to look better, had more facilities 135 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: in the school that the black kids went to. And 136 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: so you know, it is about investing in those things 137 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: that help us build long term sustainability, and I think 138 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: that that is important. We talk about reparations that people said, well, 139 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: let's give everybody a check. Suppose you gave everybody a check, 140 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: does that in and of itself change the structures that 141 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: produced the results we have today. So the reason why 142 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: I say that is not to say that compensation payment 143 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't be part of reparations, but that, to me, it 144 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: doesn't go far enough. WHOA, that's the fight day. One 145 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: minute you're on the ropes, next you're back in the fight. 146 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: Maybe so Erica. But this next concerned citizen from Evanston, 147 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: Illinois is in it to win it, fighting for the 148 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: case against reparations. He's both a slugger and a ring tactician, 149 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: and he comes with a fistful effects. Meet John Folly. 150 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: When it came out that reparations were going to target 151 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: a specific group of people, it just struck with as wrong. 152 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: If somebody needs help, that helps shouldn't be dictated by 153 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: someone's race, creed, color, color of their hair. If you 154 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: need help, you should be color blind. I mean, it's 155 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: just as simple as that. Whether you're a hillbilly in 156 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: West Virginia or whether you're here, if you need support, 157 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: we're going to give you support as a society. And again, 158 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: that support is not dictated by your skin color, race, creed, color, agenda, 159 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. This country has been 160 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: through a lot of pain, you know, the civil rights movement. 161 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: We've come a long way, and so to reopen these 162 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: wounds just divides our community instead of uniting our community. 163 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes what we forget, which is what our media, sorry, 164 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: and politicians, they spent a lot of time dividing us 165 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: instead of uniting us. Because one thing, we all are 166 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: in this room right now, we're all Americans. But if 167 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: we look at slavery, Okay, slavery ended eighteen sixty five, 168 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: the Civil rights movement came in a hundred years later. 169 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Essentially out of the Civil rights movement, there was housing reform. 170 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: There were all sorts of laws that were passed to 171 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: protect people against the ability to buy a home. So 172 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: basically large part of these problems were solved over forty 173 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: years ago, fifty years ago. So why are we coming 174 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: back to this. So if you think about reparations, reparations, conceptually, 175 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: it's for those that were victimized by slavery. So if 176 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: there was going to be a time to make the 177 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: reparations for the harm of slavery, I would argue that 178 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: that should have been done, you know, in the late 179 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: nineteenth century, now in the twenty one century. The reason 180 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: why I'm speaking up is clearly this is wrong. Some 181 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: poor family, wherever they may be, they need help, but 182 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: we're not going to give them help because their skin color. 183 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: It just struck me so morally wrong. And there's so 184 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: many things that are done in the clandestine way. So 185 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have this Latino family who needs help, and 186 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna say that this black family got more help, 187 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna turn around, and then they're going 188 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: to find a lawyer, and then the whole thing is 189 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: going to turn into a complete cluster where it could 190 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: have been avoided. And that's the tragedy. I think everybody's 191 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: life has a certain degree of burden. I think if 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: you had Bill Gates here, he would have some burden. 193 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: God only knows what it would be. But he's got 194 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: a burden. Everyone has a burden. It's how you handle 195 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: the burden. So there is the someone told me that 196 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: they're not gonna hire me because I'm not Jewish. Do 197 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: I sit there and say I'm gonna just roll over 198 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: and die, or do I sit there say fine, I'll 199 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: just find something else, you know, different times and stuff 200 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: like that. There's all sorts of nice jokes about having 201 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: red hair and freckles and stuff like that. You know, 202 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: you develop a thick skinning and move on. And so 203 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I truly don't feel that there was, at least I 204 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: gues me for myself, you know, privilege, absolutely enough. My 205 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: life wouldn't have been any different if I was black, 206 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: because it's the core of who you are, you know, 207 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: underneath it orders, it's what forms you and stuff like that. 208 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: So whether I'm a Hispanic Black Asian, underneath all, it's 209 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: the character of who I am is who I am, 210 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, quirks and all. And by the way, we 211 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: all have our quirks. We've seen what I called the ugly, 212 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: dark and awful side of American society. We showed up 213 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: at the Capitol, the intolerance, hatred, the fealty to white 214 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: supremacy as an operating principle for the country, versus this 215 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: idea that this nation is multi cultural, multi religious, multi orientation, 216 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: and that is undergraded by notions of justice and equity. 217 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Because you're a white male, we're not going to give 218 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: your family help. We're going to ignore the Hispanic family 219 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: were ignore the Asian family, but we're gonna get help 220 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: to this black family. But all four of them need help, 221 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: you know. I went to school in the South, the 222 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: elementary school, I went to, the middle school I went 223 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: to in the high school I went to. I was 224 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: one of the first African American students to go to 225 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: all three of those schools. And I remember being indoctrinated 226 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: with the lost Cause narrative, the idea that the South 227 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,239 Speaker 1: waged the Civil War for the principle of states rights 228 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: and that it was a war against the Northern aggression, 229 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: not that it was a war to defense slavery. So 230 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: in many respects, the narratives that many have learned have 231 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: contributed to, if you will, the racial injustice we see 232 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: in public policy even to this very day. And that's 233 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: part of this conversation. So I don't believe in white privilege, 234 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: Asian privilege, Hispanning privilege, but there is parental privilege. A 235 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: child that is raised by a mom and a dad 236 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: is just gonna have a statistically better outcome. While at 237 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: the same time, I'm always a believer in the vision 238 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: for the future. What's the vision for the future. What 239 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: can the nation become if these challenges are a dressed. 240 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: We have to remain vocal. We have to remain energized. 241 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: We have to make sure that our demands and our 242 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: needs remain at the forefront. We all have to remain 243 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: woke and in a continuous visible demand for the things 244 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: we want. This fight has more twist and turns than 245 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: a safety pin. Who's ahead and the count are these 246 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: punches landing? Who will emerge victorious? To find out? We 247 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: asked the man in the street, any form of reparation, 248 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, definitely z owed to the black community 249 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: and people of color in general. It's gonna take a 250 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: while for people to maybe come around and figure out 251 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: what's the right in appropriate way to approach it. Whether 252 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: it's literally money, whether it's education, whether it's actual housing, food, 253 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: you name it. We need to figure out a way 254 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: to allocate those resources to the people who need it 255 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: the most. For it's because they brought a white people 256 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: here as slaves. They have to build of America. Without them, 257 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: America would himself being the way it is to be. 258 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Any time I see the famous about those slaves they 259 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: brought here, it's break my hat. They think blacks are 260 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: loos human beings I think black Americans to African Americans, 261 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: they in lots in America. Personally, I am in favor 262 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: of preparations and the form of investment into communities of 263 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: people who are you descended to been directly impacted by 264 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: things like jim pro or slavery before. I think that 265 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: it would be more impactful in the long term to 266 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: invest in the commun enertees, into the education, in the infrastructure, 267 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: and those communities. Of course, I'm for it. Why shouldn't 268 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: we pay back after we hurt somebody, doesn't matter how 269 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: many years ago it is. I support reparations because as 270 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: a society, whether it's federal or state or local government 271 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: or other critical institutions educational, healthcare, and more, we have 272 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: created a situation where there are massive, massive racial and 273 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: equities and health and safety and wealth and education and more. Therefore, 274 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: we have responsibility to repair that damage. That's what reparations 275 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: is all about. I've got a feeling in these final 276 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: rounds of this fight are going to be the toughest, 277 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: no kidding. Our next spider in the case for reparations 278 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: is none other than a battler, a rumbler, and a 279 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: true heavyweight. He's a rapper, a tireless activist, and a 280 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: proud driver of a nineteen nine Chevy and Paula all 281 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: the way from Atlanta, g A. It's killer my I 282 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: think that the federal government absolutely owes us something or 283 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: why because in sixteen nineteen you brought us here. So 284 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I believe based on that that there is a formula 285 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: in which the federal government does owe us something, and 286 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: that includes money private companies that benefited off stocks and buns. 287 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: Because after the Civil War, even though the people who 288 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: were promised something by Fielding or the fifteen by General Sherman, 289 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: even though they didn't get ship, many landowners were under 290 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: ridden for the property they lost. And the property was 291 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: human beings who look like me. And because so when 292 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: you look at reparations, I think everything that has touched 293 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: us in a way that profited from us and we 294 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: did not owes us. So that's the mixture of federal government. 295 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: And that would be cash payment in my opinion, that 296 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: would be land grants and land lottery. That would be 297 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: an exemption from taxation. That would be a forgiveness of 298 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: loans and debts that are federally subsidized. That would be 299 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: given us every opportunity to gain equal footing, to take 300 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: advantage of the opportunity of being Americans. It's the same 301 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: thing that was done for the colonies after they broke 302 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: from Britain. It's the same thing that was done for 303 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: the immigrant population that was asked to come here and 304 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: settle the Midwest and West. So my question becomes why 305 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: everybody except us and everybody should pay who profited from it. 306 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: According to the Angelo Project that studies America's original center 307 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: slavery from six nine forward, right we are old, over 308 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: fifteen trillion dollars would probably come out. According to Bob Johnson, 309 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: and even my you know, my former drug dealer mathematics 310 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: would come out between three and thou thousand dollars. Let 311 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: me tell black folks on sidey South, Dad, ain't no money. 312 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: I want people to understand that besides the cash payment 313 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: which you you should get in your deserve not only 314 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: a reparations to cash payout. They need to be long 315 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: term and systemic, purposeful systems and organizations set up that 316 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: puts for the first time black people who were brought 317 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: here His beast and shadow on a pathway to having 318 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: their full rights in prible to just recognized and enjoy 319 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: now people outside the Afriman community that say things like 320 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't a slave onner, you benefit from what your 321 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: grandparents got. I have benefited because my grandfather got the 322 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: g I bill when black soldiers who were turned from 323 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: World War two could not get the g I p 324 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: I've benefited because at the time there were factors in 325 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Mississippi they paid white workers. Even though they were underpaying 326 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: the white workers, they paid them more than the black 327 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: So what I need poor and working class white people 328 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: understand that if they have to treat us fairy. So 329 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: when Mitchell, I don't say that was a hundred fifty 330 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: years ago, mit you seventy five. That was two minches ago. 331 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: So you could die, come back live again. And that's 332 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: how cooch slavery is. Mitch. You know, double me your ass. 333 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: So my great grandparents share crop about acres. Acres benefited, 334 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: my grandmother benefited me. But because of that, my grandmother 335 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: was able to have any education. Because of that, she 336 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: was able moved to Atlanta by her first piece of land, 337 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: which we see her own. Why don't you want to 338 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: give black folks that chance, give us our fucking land 339 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: which we were promised by Sherman's or the Field fifteen 340 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: when he left black people to die drowned in the creek. 341 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: We were promised that give us what the funk we 342 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: were promised, and watch how much better this entire country happen. 343 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: So I just challenged people to understand that this is 344 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: not about taking from you because you ain't the government, 345 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: you don't have enough money to pay us. This is 346 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: not about taking from you because you're not the private 347 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: corporations that profited from us being a stock in a bun. 348 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: What this is is a reckoning of the evil and 349 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: the original sin America did because they enslaved people who 350 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: look like our black ass right, and now it's just 351 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: time to get that core straight. And I guarantee you, 352 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: the better the economy is in the African American community, 353 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the better the overall economy. So fight forward. Won't reparations. 354 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: We deserve it. One day they're gonna come. We just 355 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: might be older, dead, but I think we can, we must, 356 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: we will. I have a lot of confidence in black people. 357 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: I have a lot of confidence in this country because 358 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: we built it for the same reason your granddad who 359 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: worked at the Ford Company. Like Forward Trucks because he 360 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: knows his hands when in the building the Ford truck, 361 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: You're not gonna shave me for like in America, because 362 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: I helped build it and I'm not going nowhel And 363 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: I think black people need to take the mentality. If 364 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: we do, you know, we'll see more brown towns pop up. 365 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: And if we fifty cent of the South, there's no 366 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: reason we shouldn't own fifty five percent of the South. 367 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: So black people with the cornerstone, with the foundation, let's 368 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: see ourselves that way, let's move act and operate that way. 369 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: And I think we'll see systemic change within our life family. Wow, 370 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: that was powerful Erica. It sure was Whitney. They don't 371 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: call him killer for nothing. He's up against a man 372 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: who calls himself a race realist and a separatist. He's 373 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: a South far from the great state of Virginia. In 374 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: for the case against reparations, give it up for Jared Taylor. Well, 375 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: I certainly do not propose that reparations be paid for slavery. 376 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: There's no person alive who was a slave, and there's 377 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: no person alive who was a slaveholder. If you were 378 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: going to make some kind of naturally tailored solution where 379 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: by those who worst slaves would be compensated by people 380 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: who had held him the slaves. Presumably you would track 381 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: down the descendants of slaveholders today and also the descendants 382 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: of those slaves and work out something between those parties. 383 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: But there is no legal theory whatsoever to seek compensation 384 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: for an act that took place between private parties many 385 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: years ago, in some cases hundred two hundred three years ago. 386 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: And as you know the President that many people calling 387 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: for reparations point to, which is to say, the payments 388 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: by the federal government to the Asians who in the 389 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: camps during the Second World War that was made while 390 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: those people were still alive. The payments did not extend 391 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: to the children of those people. So you could argue 392 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: by that standard that the statute of limitations is finished 393 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: in the United States. In fact, you could argue that 394 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: American blacks are the richest, most long lived blacks, not 395 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: only in the world but in the history of the more, 396 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: you could also make the argument that Zor O'Neil hursted 397 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: me the black foot. She said, slavery is the price 398 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: I paid for civilization. In other words, she was in 399 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: effect grateful for the fact that her ancestors brought to 400 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: the United States, and she grew up in the United 401 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: States rather than in Africa compared to Africa. For example, 402 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: life expectancy of American blacks, although it's shorter than that 403 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: of American plates, is ten years higher than the average 404 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: life expectancy in Africa. And so if you want to 405 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: look at it on strictly a cost benefit basis, the 406 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: descendants of slaves living in the United States today are, 407 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: on a material basis, is vastly better off than if 408 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: their ancestors had stayed in Africa. And the idea that 409 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: blacks are somehow, hundreds of years later mentally shackled by 410 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: the fact that they came as enslaved people makes no 411 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: sense at all. The blacks living here today were born here, 412 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: their ancestors were born here, and somehow there's some sort 413 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: of hereditary mental paralysis that comes in the fact that 414 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: her ancestors were enslaved. That makes no sense at all. 415 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: It is completely unfair for them to expect the United 416 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: States government to make payments to them, and that's the 417 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: form that almost all proposals for compensation or reparations take. 418 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: The federal government never owned a single slave slavery was 419 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: a private practice. If private individuals the United States think 420 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: that black people will own some sort of compensation, then 421 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: by all means reach into their own pockets and make 422 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: those payments. But somehow to punish all tax payers or 423 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: something for which they had absolutely no responsibility to me 424 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: is completely wrong. I think that if you turned around 425 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: and you said, Okay, white people, your taxes are going 426 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: to go up because we're going to tax you more 427 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: because we're going to give money to blacks, do you 428 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: think that would improve lace relations from the United States. 429 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you will never get an answer 430 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: from black people saying yes, okay, finally we've been made whole. 431 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: The black reaction will invariably be the isn't unlough? And 432 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: what do you think the white reaction is going to be? 433 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: Poor whites in particular, and you're actually gonna be paid 434 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: to the children of Block and Michelle Obama because they're 435 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: descended from slaves. How do you think white people or 436 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: other people, Hispanics, Asians, anybody else who feel absolutely no 437 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: personal involved in slavery, no sense of responsibility for it, 438 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: is that going to help raise relations in the United States? 439 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It will only make them worse. You can 440 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: go back to believe It's nineteen sixty five. Lyndon Johnson 441 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: gave the commencement address at Howard University and he says, look, 442 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: what we need is equality of results. We can't just 443 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: have the quality of opportunity. And since then there have 444 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: been compensatory programs in the form of racial conferences for blacks. 445 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Is it somehow the legacy of slavery that keeps blacks proof? No, 446 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't think you can make that argument. Georgia the 447 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: state out living. In the first seven years George existed, 448 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: slavery didn't exist. But after origins, South South Carolinians and 449 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: other Southern colonies like making money. They were like ship 450 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: we get in this slavery game, get us some Niggers. 451 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: Much of this was economic, so everybody wasn't racist, but 452 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: economically it made sense to be. There is probably some impact. 453 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I think it would be difficult to argue that the 454 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: effect has been zero. However, if you argue that the 455 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: problem is some sort of structural light supremacy in the 456 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: United States, it's difficult to argue why some of these 457 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: other non white groups are doing so much better than lives. 458 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: If the United States are somehow structurally set up to 459 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: advantage plates over people who are non white. It's certainly 460 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: not working very well. At some point, the descendant of 461 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: someone that was brought here in sixteen nineteen deserves to 462 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: steer this raggedy as chill through these trouble waters. That 463 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: is an element of reparation that is long deserved. If 464 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you have to go back and find people who got 465 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: the short end of the stick, you're welcome to do so. 466 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: There's an infinite number of things, but this kind of 467 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: thing is not going to sit well on people who 468 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: have absolutely no part in that, and feel no obligation 469 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to make those people hold. Is it right that we 470 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: got so many handicapps playing in US? Know it won right? 471 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Tiger wool has had to play as some substandard golfing 472 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: places it one right. The two girls from Confident, we 473 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: got dumb ass questions when they will learn to play tenants? 474 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: But boy, once they called on, look at how we forbat. 475 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: What are the penalties for being black the United States? 476 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: It's impossible to calculate them. And yes, there are some 477 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: cases in which a black person a black sounding resume 478 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: does not get called back as often, But there are many, 479 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: many cases that we know about in which a black 480 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: person who is applying for job or which who was 481 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: certainly applying to university gets preference over a white or 482 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: particularly over an Asian. So black people, especially black people 483 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: with distendants of thold that are brought four would explained, 484 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: we need to see ourselves as the start of what's next, 485 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: and need the end of what has happened. Boom, did 486 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you see that Killer Mike wore him out? This was 487 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: a heavyweight in action. He was clear and concise, He 488 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: brought the energy from the ancestors, and he was throwing hammers. Baby, 489 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: he sure was, Erica. He was throwing hammers. And Jared 490 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: Taylor's race realism was just a covert way of saying 491 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: this country is for whites only. It certainly couldn't stand 492 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: up to Killer Mike's attack, and Killer Mike showed him 493 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: it's way too late for all that. Now. I don't 494 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: know about you, Whitney, but that was a clear knockout 495 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: for the case four reparations. Boom, I agree that was 496 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: amazing Killer Mike threw down. But but wait a minute, Erica, 497 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: we have a ruling from the judges. The judges are 498 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: declaring it a tie, a tie. It seems like the 499 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: fixes in what are you talking about? You heard it, Whitney, 500 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: you heard you even said so Killer Mike was the 501 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: clear winner, Yes, but they're calling it a tie. The 502 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: case against reparations is the reigning champion and the contender 503 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: doesn't take a belt and a tied score. You need 504 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: to win by decision or buy a knockout or knockout. 505 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: Why not? Are you kidding? I guess we're just not 506 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: there yet. Next time on reparations, the big payback. When 507 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: I was running for president, I did talk about reparations 508 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: because if you look at American politics and there's something 509 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: that you don't understand, it does not seem to make sense. 510 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: The answers race. It's not being spoken about, but it's 511 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: the colonel behind the apparent inconsistency, the apparent craziness. And 512 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: so I look at the need for everyone in America, 513 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: particularly white people. I mean, let's face it, this was 514 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: a system of racism and discrimination that is conceived of 515 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: and executed by white people that is continued for centuries, 516 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: and for us to move on, it's absolutely essential so 517 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: that we could have honest conversations about how to proceed 518 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: in a just fashion. It's important to retell the story 519 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: for everyone, specifically for white people who have benefited from 520 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: this system and executed it. And it's not enough just 521 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: to retell the story. Actions have to be taken. Let's 522 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: talk about what it will take to repair the damage, 523 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: to address the injustice. This podcast is produced by Eric Alexander, 524 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Bennar Noon and Whitney Dow. The executive producers are Charlemagne 525 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: the God and Dolly s. Bishop. The Supervising Producer is 526 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Nicole Childers and the lead producer is Devin Madock Robins. 527 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: The producer writer is Serice Castle and the Associate producer 528 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: is Kevin Fan with additional research support provided by Nile Blast. 529 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: This episode was written by Tony Purrier. Original music by 530 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: d J D t P Reparations. 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