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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The

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Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm

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Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on

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Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so

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Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My heart

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Speaker 1: goes out to any parent who has a child no

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Speaker 1: longer walking on planet Earth, and thankfully there are some

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Speaker 1: great organizations like Forever Family and Helping Parents Heal dot

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Speaker 1: Org that are there that embrace the reality of the

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Speaker 1: afterlife and give grief support. Our guest today is Dave Kine,

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Speaker 1: who's the father of Nicholas O'Neill, who, at the age

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Speaker 1: largest nightclub fires in the United States. A hundred people

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Speaker 1: lost their lives in Rhode Island. Dave is the author

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Speaker 1: of forty one Signs of Hope and knows that his son,

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Speaker 1: Nikki goes on Dave as a performer, comedian, and longtime

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Speaker 1: radio talk show host. Welcome Dave kine By. This is great, Sander.

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Speaker 1: You made me want to read the book. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: what I try to do. What's my job. Morning, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: And I know we haven't met, and I know we're

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So Dave, tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about you and your story and the bio. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the bio you've got, I gotta change it

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Speaker 1: because it's fifty years now in talk radio. That's how

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Speaker 1: old I am. Well, I I you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: a performers, you said, etcetera. And uh, my son Nikki

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Speaker 1: he wrote a play a year before he died called

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Speaker 1: They Walk among Us. The play is about teenagers who

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Speaker 1: die and come back as angels. The name of the book,

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Speaker 1: forty one Signs of Hope, is based on Nikki's number

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Speaker 1: the numbers that would mean something to us have a

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Speaker 1: significance of some kind. Well, Nicky's was forty one, but

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Speaker 1: We looked it up with numerology, and we tried to

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Speaker 1: find out what this was all about, and we couldn't.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to make a connection. Well. When Nikki passed,

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Speaker 1: he was eighteen and twenty three days one. The station

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Speaker 1: nightclub with the fire happened is at latitude forty one.

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Speaker 1: continues now beginning the day after the fire, we got

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Speaker 1: want to just tough territory. A lot of people hearing

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Speaker 1: I am, I was screaming at her, right, what is

427
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Speaker 1: the matter with you? When are you going to get it?

428
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: How many times does this kid got to tell you?

429
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't want you to sad, He doesn't want you crying.

430
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: He wants you to know that he is well and

431
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: safe and felt no pain. Remember no pain. Everybody told us,

432
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Speaker 1: Indy Gilman, no pain. We get in the car, we're

433
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Speaker 1: going up the hill from the Christmas tree farm. And

434
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I said, here, for God's sakes, Joeanne,

435
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: what do you want this kid to do? Put in writing?

436
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: And as soon as I said that, a car coming

437
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Speaker 1: from the other direction had the vanity plate no pain,

438
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: no kidding, Oh my god. Now that was owned by

439
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Speaker 1: anesthesiologists who lives in Lincoln, Rhode Island. I was able

440
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Speaker 1: to get his name, and I called him and he

441
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Speaker 1: gave his permission to use the image of his his

442
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: license wate in my book and in the movie. There's

443
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Speaker 1: a movie, by the way, forty one about Nick, an

444
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: award winning documentary, fantastic. And and so there's a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, a lot of these signs, don't

446
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: you think, A lot of these signs you can write

447
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Speaker 1: it off to coincidence. A lot of these signs that, oh,

448
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: well it just happened, Oh big deal. So what I

449
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: could do that too, about the dame, about all of

450
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: the denial that goes on around this stuff. But it

451
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: got so big that I finally had to write a book.

452
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there are tons and tons and tons of

453
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: story is under my bed. My wife had our bed,

454
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: has a box of journals with all kinds of stories,

455
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: and I just thought of a really good one. And

456
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: now this is a little convoluted, so stay with me.

457
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I love convoluted around here, okay, because I mean it

458
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Speaker 1: kind of goes evers to think of the chance. All right,

459
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: for years, I had, I say for years, many times

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Speaker 1: I had a guest on my radio show. Uh, Susan

461
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Speaker 1: apple On. Her name is and she was a co

462
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Speaker 1: author of the book Life, second book Life after Life.

463
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: She helped rate that, and she was on my show

464
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: several times. Now, Susan is a she calls herself an

465
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Speaker 1: intuitive and not a medium. But she's a medium. But anyway,

466
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Speaker 1: she shows herself an intuitive. But she's also a psychologist.

467
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Speaker 1: Now now hang on to this right. A couple comes

468
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Speaker 1: to her in her capacity as a psychologist, and their

469
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Speaker 1: marriage is falling apart because their son committed suicide. MM.

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Speaker 1: It's of course, nearly destroyed them. And one day, after

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Speaker 1: several sessions, one day, the husband confesses or admits or

472
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: tells that he thinks he's losing his mind because he

473
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Speaker 1: is imagining that his son is sending him signs. So

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Speaker 1: Susan says, no, no, no, no, you're not crazy. You're

475
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Speaker 1: not no, no, no, you're not this is real, this

476
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: is real. You've got to talk to my friend Dave Kane.

477
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: The husband says, no, I don't want to talk to anybody.

478
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Shut her right down. I couldn't talk to him a

479
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: few months later, the wife drags the husband to a

480
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Speaker 1: medium in Philadelphia and in that session, their kid comes

481
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: through like gangbusters. He's given social Security numbers. He's designed it.

482
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I mean, they know this is their boy,

483
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: like we had with Robert Brown. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: you want to be. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Dave Kine. Now, Dave,

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Speaker 1: you're just saying that this couple had an extraordinary medium

507
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: rating that they knew it was their son coming through.

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00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: They know it's beyond the doubt that this is their boy.

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00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: And at the end of the session, this medium says,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I want you to know, there was

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Speaker 1: somebody else with him. There was a young man who

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Speaker 1: helped him come through. And the boy's name is Nicholas.

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Speaker 1: Now they don't know who Nicholas is because you know,

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Speaker 1: Susan never got that far. So they go back to

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Speaker 1: Susan a couple of weeks later and they tell her

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Speaker 1: the whole story, and then they mentioned this thing about Nicholaus.

517
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Speaker 1: She said, that's the boy. That's the boy I'm telling

518
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Speaker 1: you about. So now it's over. My wife comes home

519
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Speaker 1: and I say, wait to hear this story. And I

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00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: tell her the story and my wife says to me,

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Speaker 1: what is his name? What is his name? I don't

522
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Speaker 1: know why she's asking me that. I said, okay, his

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Speaker 1: name is Eric Stark. She said, oh wow. I said wow.

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Speaker 1: What she said? The last dream that I had when

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Speaker 1: I woke up today was about Anya. Now, I Na

526
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Speaker 1: was a little girl that my wife used to have

527
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Speaker 1: in daycare. Anya's last name was Stark. Her father's name

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Speaker 1: was Eric. So he is Nikki telling his mom that

529
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Speaker 1: he was the nikki and that other Eric Stark's reading.

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Speaker 1: How cool is that? It's so cool? And you're just

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Speaker 1: making me think, here, everyone should keep a journal and

532
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: should we talk these things up to our imagination? But

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00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: you start, you know, and our mind doesn't want to

534
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: remember these things. I think it's constantly looking for guilt

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00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: and fear and worry and all those things. But write

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00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: them down as they happen, and then you'll start maybe

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Speaker 1: seeing commonalities. And the thread here and one of the

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Speaker 1: things I think that keeps people from investing in this

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: or bidnus and this is what I call the Santa

540
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: said the Santa syndrome is when you're a little girl

541
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Speaker 1: or you were told about Santa Claus and then you

542
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: find out, well maybe not. And then you're told about

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny and well no, and then the tooth

544
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: fairy that's right. And so what happens is, especially men,

545
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: the men are afraid to invest for fear it isn't true.

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00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: Everybody wants it to be true. Nobody doesn't want it

547
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: to be true, but they are so afraid that there's

548
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: nothing after this. They are so afraid that they're going

549
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: to be sucking into something. And what I tell people,

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody who's listening to me right now needs

551
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: to hear this. You're in this room, you're listening to

552
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Speaker 1: me talk. If I'm wrong and you die and there's nothing,

553
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: it won't matter. But if I'm right and you don't

554
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: invest in this, you will spend the next fifty years

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00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: of your life not having any hope, any calm, any peace,

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Speaker 1: any faith. And you step over the line and say, damn,

557
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Kane was right night all those years doubting, fearing, et cetera.

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00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Invest in it, open up, think of the possibilities. It

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Speaker 1: can be the last thing in Nicky's played Grace. The

560
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: angel says to the boy, they're trying to help. In

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Speaker 1: the end, everything and I do mean everything is going

562
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Speaker 1: to be just fine. And the last line in the

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Speaker 1: in the play is do not fear to hope, and

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Speaker 1: we put that on Nikki's headstone. Oh that's so nice.

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Speaker 1: So open yourself to it. Don't be afraid. You're not crazy,

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Speaker 1: You're not imagining it. These people are trying to let

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Speaker 1: you know what, Icky, let people know that there is

568
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: nothing to fear, that in the end you will be

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Speaker 1: loved unconditionally, beautifully and you'll be safe. Everything that we've

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Speaker 1: experienced from this experience has been of a positive, loving, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: supportive nature. I agree. And a lot of the scary

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Speaker 1: stuff that we hear about is TV shows that you know,

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Speaker 1: get some more time on TV and all that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, fictitious and well, I don't believe. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe in negative spirit now. I don't give it any credence.

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Speaker 1: I don't allow it. When I get questions about it

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Speaker 1: in my talk, I tell him forget about it. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Doesn't happen. Yeah, I agree, I agree,

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Speaker 1: And some of the best teachers and even Arthur Finley College.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar in the UK has

581
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: taught mediumship for long, long, long, long, long time. And no,

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Speaker 1: no on the negative and the way you are even

583
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Beaten's we exist is what we focus on tends to appear.

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00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: If you're going on a trip to Hawaii, next thing

585
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Speaker 1: you're gonna notice is everybody's wearing a Hawaiian shirt. If

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Speaker 1: we think about something negative, our minds can create it.

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00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: But it's our minds. It's not the afterlife, it's not them,

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Speaker 1: it's it's us. Well, my wife and I were driving

589
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Speaker 1: to a show one time in Connecticut. It had to

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Speaker 1: be eighty degrees outside. It was actually it was eighty three,

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Speaker 1: I think, And we're going by there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: bank building and had one of those big clocks outside

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Speaker 1: the temperature at the time. We went by the clock

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Speaker 1: and went from eighty three to no kidding, and then

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Speaker 1: it went back. My wife was driving home and it

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Speaker 1: was a radar unit there. She was right behind the

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Speaker 1: car and that car went by. It was twenty five.

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Speaker 1: She was right behind him, same speed it went to

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Speaker 1: and then went away. Your boy, I'm sure he is

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00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: looking for the most creative ways we keep our sense

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Speaker 1: of humors and our personality these and all that. And

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00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's very busy helping other people, maybe young

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00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: people cross as well. I mean, it just seems like

604
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: he's he's busy. I want to tell you this other story.

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00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll have the impact as if I

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: showed you the picture. But the year uh the Nikky passed,

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00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: it came to be his brother, Chris's birthday. Chris was

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Speaker 1: obsessed with videotaping Nikki at every part of his life.

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Speaker 1: That year it came to be his birthday and and

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Speaker 1: he asked for a new video camera. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get a Sony because I'm a big spender. Um, well,

612
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: they're ten dollars more, but that's okay, And my wife

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00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: said no, No, he wants a Samsung. I said, okay,

614
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: So we get him a Samsung. And we're all in

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00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: the car going to the restaurant. It's about six of

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Speaker 1: us in the car. So he takes out his camera

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Speaker 1: and he and he starts opening his his the box.

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Speaker 1: Every year when it was Chris's birthday, he let Nikki

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Speaker 1: blow out his candles. It was a tradition. They had right.

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Speaker 1: So Chris is taping the camera out. He's opening and

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Speaker 1: he says to his mom, I guess this year I

622
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: have to blow out my own candles. And on the

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Speaker 1: top of the box, inside was a brochure from Samsung.

624
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: And he opened it up and on the cover of

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00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the brochure was a picture, giant picture of a little

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Speaker 1: boy blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Oh

627
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: now that's pretty cool. Here's the part where I wish

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Speaker 1: I could show you. The boy is a dead ringer

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Speaker 1: for Nikki, so much so in my presentation, I have

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Speaker 1: a picture of Nikki about a year when, a year

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Speaker 1: older than that boy, standing at at a birthday cake,

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Speaker 1: and they're identical. The faces are identical, so much so

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Speaker 1: that my wife was convinced that this was of Nikki

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00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: from a Disney cruise that we went on. Well for

635
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Speaker 1: six years, I chased Samsung. Took me six years to

636
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Speaker 1: find somebody who actually talked to me because they were

637
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: afraid that they had run a picture of my son

638
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: without permission and they were going to have to pay money.

639
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: Finally I got a hold of an executive who had

640
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: the brilliance to listen to me for a minute. The

641
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: following Tuesday morning, at eleven, I got a call from

642
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: this photographer. He said, Mr Kane, we took these pictures

643
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: uh in San Diego to have a you know, birthday pictures.

644
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: He said, I will send these to you and you

645
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: can see all the pictures, because they wanted to prove

646
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: to me it wasn't my son on the Disney cruise.

647
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: When I got the pictures. In none of the other

648
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: pictures does Nikki look like this boy as he does

649
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: in this one picture from that shoot. Happy birthday, Chris.

650
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: That is just amazing. There's so much more here and

651
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: we're blocking it all. And that's the serious importance of it.

652
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: To let people know your loved ones don't die. I

653
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: never say die. I say past yes, I never say die.

654
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Here's another thing, by the way, now we had to

655
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: teach ourselves. We talk about Nikki in present tense. You

656
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: can you cant order a pizza and as you're eating

657
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: and say, boy, Nikki used to love this pizza. Nikki

658
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: still loves this pizza. We are acknowledging that we believe

659
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: he is still with us always, and so we always

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: have a place for Nikki. We should do all do

661
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: this it's more than keeping a memory alive as they

662
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: are alive. Yeah, keeping a memory, right, it's not a memory?

663
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Is that people say, oh, we're gonna have a memorial

664
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: boat crap, he's here here right, a memorial he's here.

665
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: See this. This is how we've been trained. We've been trained.

666
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: We say lost. The only reason I use the word

667
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: lost is so people will know what I'm talking about.

668
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: But we have been trained, you know. Do you remember?

669
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: The comedian Bobcat goes with, yes, yes, Bobcat go with,

670
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: I say this in my in my show, it's all

671
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: about lost. If you lost your car keys, would you

672
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: look for them? Come on, I mean, come on you

673
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: you can't find your glasses. You're all going all over

674
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the house. What You're not looking for your son, You're

675
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: not looking for your mom. You're not staying open. Bob

676
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Kat goes with, in his act, used to say I

677
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: lost my job. He didn't say I lost my He said, well,

678
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: I didn't lose it. I know where it is. It's

679
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: just when I go there, somebody else is doing it right.

680
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And then after his act he says I lost my girl.

681
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: He said, well, I didn't lose her. I know where

682
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: she is, and it just when I go there, somebody

683
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: else's well, never mind, you know. And this is why

684
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: we have been trained to talk at past tex We

685
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: have been trained to look up when we say I

686
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: know you're there, Mom. You're looking up and she's standing

687
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: behind you. You're looking up and she's holding your hand.

688
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: This is how we have been trained. And this is

689
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: the problem that stands in the way of people rethinking.

690
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: They've got to learn to rethink. They've got to act first.

691
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Think about it. You know. In in scripture is his

692
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: act as if he had faith. Well, act as if

693
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: you believe, act and speak, talk to you a little bit.

694
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: My wife will talk to Nikki out loud, no matter

695
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: where she is. If she feels him and she's she'll

696
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: just talk to him. We talked to him all the time.

697
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: I know he's in this room with me right now.

698
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: He leads me to people. He has brought us to

699
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: people every example. Uh. John Land is an author, thriller writer, okay,

700
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: and he's from Rhode Island. He read about Nikki and

701
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: he contacted us and we showed him Nikki's play that

702
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: I told you about, They Walk among Us. He wanted

703
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: to expand the play into a feature length motion picture,

704
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: and he asked permission to be able to do something,

705
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: so we said sure, of course. So he added several

706
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: characters and subplots and datata when Chris looked at the play.

707
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: When he his first script of the film, Excuse me,

708
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: John added people in his film. The character names were

709
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: all people in Nikki's life, and John never knew Nikki.

710
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: John knew nothing about Nikki until he met us. We

711
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: need to take a quick break, but I want to

712
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: remind everyone that the spirit world uses our imagination and

713
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: we all have psychic abilities, so it's no wonder Nikki

714
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,839
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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Shaplaine. Welcome back to

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00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're talking

732
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: to the author of forty one Signs of Hope, Dave Kane. Dave,

733
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: we're just talking about how our friends in the afterlife

734
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: use our imagination to get through to us. And I

735
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: have to tell you, I'm really enjoying our conversation. Well,

736
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I hope so because I'm doing the best I can.

737
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: You're doing fabulous. Tell us about your book because now

738
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: obviously in an hour, we can't go through all the signs.

739
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: But where can we find it? Signs of Hope? Get

740
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: it online. You can get it from Amazon. It's a

741
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: kindle book and it's got a hard copy as well.

742
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: It's called forty one Signs of Hope and basically it's

743
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: a very simple read it's not a big book. It's

744
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: a thin book because once I gave all these examples,

745
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: having more stories from nick would kind of be redundant

746
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: for the purpose that I wrote the book. I wrote

747
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: the books of people would think about it, so people

748
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: would get validation, so they realize they're not imagining things,

749
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: that it's real. And Nikki's signs are huge there like

750
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: billboard as you can see. I'm sure that you you

751
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: feel at it. All the people you've interviewed. I mean,

752
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. And people say to me, well, I

753
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: don't get signs. Well, you do get signs, but you're

754
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: not realizing it. You're not acknowledging them. You're not seeing

755
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: license plates are big thing numbers at the right time.

756
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: Songs music. You're driving to stopping shop and you think

757
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: about your aunt Tilly, and when you walk in the

758
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: stop shop, her favorite song is playing on the music

759
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: that's sort of saying she's thinking to you. But you go, oh, wow,

760
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: isn't that dude, I'm just talking about her, okay, And

761
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: then you you go go to the kamm quats or something.

762
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if we got to train ourselves. So the

763
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: name of the book is forty one Signs of Hope,

764
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: and you can get it on Amazon as a kindle

765
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: or as a hardcover book. Also, there is the movie.

766
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: It's an award winning documentary called forty one. This is

767
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: not the one about George Bush. This is the other one,

768
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: and it is You see Nikki from in the movie.

769
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: You see him from the time he's wearing the forty

770
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: one on his cap, two moments before he passes. We

771
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: have the video of the fire inside. You can see

772
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: as the fire begins and the camera pans to the left,

773
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: you can see Nikki in the front row, standing right

774
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: at the stage. We knew exactly where he was. And

775
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: it is amazing to watch this boy and all of

776
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: the time that Chris videotaped him. You see him on stage,

777
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: you see him performing. He was a terrific actor. Uh

778
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: you see him. It's just it's a great movie. It's

779
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: almost two hours and it's worth every moment of it. Yeah,

780
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not doing it to sell because I have

781
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: no piece of the forty well you know, well, I

782
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: produced help produce it, but I mean that Motion Pictures

783
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: owned by a company that gets money, and that's fine.

784
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the story out. That's right, that's right.

785
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: And now your new book, your Stories. The new book

786
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: is going to be one Signs of Hope, Your Stories,

787
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: and I want people to write to me and just

788
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: tell me their story, and then I may contact them

789
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: to get details of the details. For instance, if your

790
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: dad was a baseball player, are really into baseball, you know,

791
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: and uh, suddenly you walk out of your house and

792
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: there's a there's a baseball bat on your front lawn.

793
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: You know, I need to know that the baseball had

794
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: a significant part in your loved one's life, so I

795
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: can give a little background so that the story will

796
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: have the impact. You want to give as much impact

797
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: to the story as possible and validation as possible. So

798
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I'll edit a little bit in the sense of for presentation,

799
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, but I want to make sure these people

800
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: read it and then feel, oh, yeah, that's the story.

801
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I meant to say. Yeah, yeah, that's right,

802
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: that's right, so that people reading it will get like

803
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: they do out of forty one signs of Hope, get

804
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: the lift. And I even has any to say I

805
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: wrote the book. I didn't write this book. I didn't

806
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: write this book anymore than a reporter writes down that

807
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: there was a car accident. Right. I am just telling

808
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: the stories as they happened. This is not a novel.

809
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: It's a rendition and a telling of the real story. Wonderful.

810
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: What's the best way to contact you if somebody has

811
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: a story? Very simple? Um. All of my contact information

812
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: is that Dave Kine dot net. It's ka ny Dave

813
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: k n e dot net. Feel free to write to me,

814
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: feel free to call me. My phone numbers there. I

815
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: did an interview with Bob Olsen on YouTube three years ago.

816
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm still hearing from people from all over the world.

817
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: That's right Afterlife TV. It's a great one. Yeah, well

818
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: I did it with him. I think it's almost four

819
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: years now, and I have heard from Sweden and England

820
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: and Germany and Japan and you name it. I've heard

821
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: from people and so many of these people. Now, you know,

822
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you if I dreamt about my son,

823
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: I would say I dreamt about my son. People are

824
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: writing to me or calling me and saying I dreamt

825
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: about my son and your son was in the dream.

826
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: We have been told by so many mediums and it

827
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: is another thing to check out. By the way, so

828
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: many mediums have told us the very same thing that

829
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: other mediums have told us. You know, you cross check right.

830
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: So after we went to Robert Brown in New York,

831
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: our son Chris went to see him in Long Island.

832
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: We went, we went to Manhattan to see him in

833
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: several weeks later he went to Long Island and Robert

834
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Brown didn't know that we were related in any way,

835
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: didn't even think of us. And Robert Brown told him

836
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: almost the identical stuff he told us about Nikki. I mean,

837
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable that this kid was really here. So

838
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: people need to know that it's real. And the book

839
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: has just meant to do that for you. The new book.

840
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: I want you to feel free to contact me, send

841
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: me your stories, and I'll do what I And it

842
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: might take a little while because I got a feeling

843
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to get my door knocked on quite You're

844
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: just a little bit yeah about the Bob also think.

845
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting calls in the middle of the

846
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: night from different time zones around the world. You know,

847
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Speaker 1: now that was brought to me. All of the people

848
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Speaker 1: that have been brought to me, to our family to

849
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: help us, people like Bobb Oleson and Robert Brown and

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00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: Maureen Hancock, etcetera. Very interesting, very cool, and I want

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00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: people to know I've got another minute we do and

852
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: then I'm going to ask you for some closing words

853
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: and then also some closing words that you think NICKI

854
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: would say to give people a little hope about life. Sure,

855
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention that, m Maureen Hancock. You

856
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: know we're all talking about Nick and we're talking about

857
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: it and talking about mediumship. Let me tell you about

858
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: mediumship my stunt when we went to see Maureen Hancock.

859
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: Maureen Hancock is of course doing greed things now and

860
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: she has always done free reading for parents who have

861
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: lost a child. Now it's been very tough because there's

862
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: so many requests, et cetera. But when we went to her,

863
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: and I'm just as about medium. When we went to her,

864
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: we sat down, We didn't know her, she didn't know us,

865
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: and she looked at me and said, Joe came through.

866
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: Joe's wants to talk to you. And I said me.

867
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Speaker 1: She said, yeah, there's a Joe here, there's a Joe here.

868
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: I pointed at my wife. My wife is Joe Anne.

869
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: Her father was Joseph, her brother was Joseph right, and

870
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to her. I said, no, no, it's She said, no,

871
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: it's you. And I said, okay, and she said and

872
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know who that is. And she said,

873
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: let me see what I can do. And then she

874
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: said to me Vietnam. Well, my friend Joe was killed

875
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. But here's the thing. The day before I

876
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: happened to have happened. I happened to have come on

877
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: his obituary in my papers, and I showed it to

878
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: Joe Anne and I said, look, this is Joe that

879
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: I tell you about all the time. And when we

880
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: go to see Marien Hancock, that's who shows up first

881
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: in the reading. Is that stunning? Incredible? I mean, so,

882
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: I just want to let people know, you know, it's real,

883
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: it happens. The only thing I will tell you is

884
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: what I say at the end of my presentation is, uh,

885
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: there's a great writing called death is Nothing at All.

886
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: Look it up you get on the end, and I'm

887
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: sure death is nothing at all. I am I and

888
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: you are you. What we were to each other, we

889
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: still are. And this is what Nikki would tell you,

890
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: how we will laugh at the sorrow we had when

891
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: we realize that all of this is is really nothing.

892
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: We're all safe, we're all loved, We're all gonna be

893
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: just fine. Is Nikki's place at any end? Everything, and

894
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: I do mean everything is going to be just fine.

895
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: And that's Nikki's story, And as Nikki would say, that's

896
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: my story and I'm sticking to it. Beautiful David, thank

897
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you from the bottom of all of our hearts for

898
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: being our guests today. Thank you for listening, and thank

899
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: you for giving me the opportunity. I'm really thrilled to

900
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: be with you. Let's do it again down the road sometime,

901
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: maybe when we get the book up and running, the

902
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: other book, we can do something. I love that idea.

903
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: And for parents listening, there's also a great organization. Maureen

904
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Hancock was just recently give a free demonstration with them

905
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: called Helping Parents Heal dot org. And they're just amazing,

906
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: just amazing. It's much more than grief support because they

907
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly embrace the reality of the afterlife and the parents

908
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: Helping Parents Heal dot Org. They're absolutely great and maybe

909
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: you can speak with them sometime. I can set That's

910
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: why I'm writing it down here. I didn't know about this,

911
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: and I have all the connections you need. I know

912
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: you do. And thank you to Dave Kine, and of

913
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: course you can look at his website Dave Kine dot net. Now,

914
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Speaker 1: before we close this episode, we've a couple of minutes

915
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: left and I want to just talk about grief. We

916
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: have no choice when we grieve, no matter what we

917
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: know about it, no matter what we've read about it,

918
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: when we have any kind of a loss, even if

919
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: it's before someone passes or it's a change of life,

920
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: like you lose your job. Many of us have had

921
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: grief when Corona virus hit the world. There's so many

922
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: different reasons we grieve. Our body goes into this autopilot

923
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: and it tries to get comfortable again with our new surroundings.

924
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: When we love, we actually have a chemical connection in

925
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: our bodies, two people, two things, and unfortunately, when that

926
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: tie is severed, we grieve. The more we love, the

927
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: more it hurts. There are some really horrendous figures of

928
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: people who have had a personal loss who drop into grief,

929
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: drop into depression, and end up ending their own lives.

930
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: And I am out to stop that. With education, it

931
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: doesn't take all the pain away. But it really helps.

932
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: I want to offer anyone who's interested not only a

933
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: free copy of my book We Don't Die as Skeptics

934
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: Discovery of Life after Death, but a free copy of

935
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: an audio called How to Survive Grief. You can go

936
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: to my website, which is We Don't Die dot com.

937
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: Scroll down and it says join my Insiders Club. That's

938
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: my email list, and when you join, you get those things.

939
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: Chapter ten of my book is how to Survive Grief,

940
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: very very important. So in closing, my name is Sandra Champlain.

941
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

942
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: You've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the

943
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: I heart Rate Video and Coast to Coast a m

944
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, and if you like this episode of

945
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one.

946
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Heart Radio and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast am paranormal podcast network.