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Speaker 2: we'll bring in Windy seedon Yeah, we got a couple
Speaker 2: of them up there right now. If you were the.
Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks, you would seventy four percent of the audience
Speaker 3: have us trading him in the best fit for Giannis
Speaker 3: is right now in New York, followed by san Antonio
Speaker 3: dominating that.
Speaker 2: Poolecost Okay, we bring in Brian Winhorns to the mothership.
Speaker 2: ESPN senior NBA writer, How did we get to this point? Ryan?
Speaker 2: With Jannis in the Bucks?
Speaker 4: Not one hundred percent sure where we are because one
Speaker 4: of the things that I've been talking to league executive
Speaker 4: types about in the last twenty four hours is do
Speaker 4: we think that this time the Honis will actually go
Speaker 4: all the way and formally say it's time to trade me,
Speaker 4: because he's rattled the saber before. And you know, one
Speaker 4: of the more fascinating stories that came out of this
Speaker 4: whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer.
Speaker 4: It came out in October and Shamstererania, my colleague at ESPN,
Speaker 4: reported it. But in August, Janice talked to the Bucks
Speaker 4: and different people can use different verbs here, and I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to like step on anybody, but he showed
Speaker 4: an interest in wanting to be on the New York Knicks,
Speaker 4: and to the point where the Knicks and the Bucks
Speaker 4: had trade talks. And I know what Doc River said yesterday,
Speaker 4: said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay, he may
Speaker 4: not have said those words. I promise you the Bucks
Speaker 4: it wasn't their idea, okay. And I know that it
Speaker 4: caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you know how
Speaker 4: I know because like two weeks before, they signed Mikhale
Speaker 4: Bridges to a contract extension, a really good contract extension,
Speaker 4: nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't have signed
Speaker 4: him or that they absolutely were going to trade him
Speaker 4: in that deal, but once you signed him to that,
Speaker 4: you can't trade him for six months. So if you
Speaker 4: were thought that you were about to potentially enter a
Speaker 4: very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those guys
Speaker 4: off the table. So I think it caught the Knicks
Speaker 4: off guard too. And so what I think happened was
Speaker 4: it was Yiannis's idea. Now you can bring people on
Speaker 4: here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine. The
Speaker 4: talks took place, okay. And the important thing is Jannis
Speaker 4: watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which was
Speaker 4: do this crazy move. It was a two hundred million
Speaker 4: dollar move. They cut Dame, making one hundred million dollars
Speaker 4: in dead money, and then they signed Miles Turner for
Speaker 4: one hundred million. So they took one hundred million dollar problem,
Speaker 4: which was a player in his thirties recovered from Achilles,
Speaker 4: and they made it a two hundred dollars investment for
Speaker 4: a Miles Turner, who is a quality player just helped
Speaker 4: the team to get to the finals. Excellent, a high
Speaker 4: quality role player, but not a star player. He saw
Speaker 4: those moves and then he said, I have some interest
Speaker 4: in becoming a Nick. Okay, So that happened, and it
Speaker 4: didn't come out until October. And at that point, Yannis
Speaker 4: they had signed his two brothers, you know, and Yiannis
Speaker 4: was playing for the Bucks and everything. But like that
Speaker 4: was a real indication of what y where Yannis's head
Speaker 4: was at. Here's the other thing. Yannis's family moved to Greece.
Speaker 4: If you know anything about Yannis, the family is extraordinarily
Speaker 4: important to him. It's one of the reasons why the
Speaker 4: Bucks have signed his two brothers, because they know how
Speaker 4: important it is to have his family with him. That
Speaker 4: he sent his fair He might have had ten reasons
Speaker 4: to send his family to Greece. But again, these are
Speaker 4: actions that you're looking at going you know, so what
Speaker 4: the league is wondering is knowing what happened in the summer,
Speaker 4: knowing about the other stuff, knowing that the team is
Speaker 4: not doing well, although they had their best win of
Speaker 4: the year last night they beat the Pistons without Yanis.
Speaker 4: Will Janis actually go forward and say, Okay, I wanted
Speaker 4: to because I don't think the Bucks are going to
Speaker 4: get there Dan, because the Bucks are so mortgaged and
Speaker 4: so deeply invested in keeping him, and I actually don't
Speaker 4: blame them. And so that's really what the question is
Speaker 4: is is will Yannis take the next step besides the
Speaker 4: saber rattling that he's done before?
Speaker 2: Why the Knicks?
Speaker 4: Good question?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: He he really you know, in all of the on
Speaker 4: all of the discussions from Jannis and from John Horst,
Speaker 4: their general manager and doc, no one denied those talks
Speaker 4: took place. The Knicks certainly didn't deny it, and I thought,
Speaker 4: I know that they happened. And you know, I will
Speaker 4: say that if you were in a vacuum choosing where
Speaker 4: to go, you would want to go to the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 4: You know, I think you know, you know you we
Speaker 4: want to stay East. And so if you looked at
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference and you said, well, where would I
Speaker 4: want to be as a player. Where do I think
Speaker 4: I can you know, make a big impact? Where could
Speaker 4: we win right away?
Speaker 2: Like New York.
Speaker 4: Rises to the top. You can make some cases for
Speaker 4: some other teams, you know, Miami for example, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston all that that type of tray
Speaker 4: would be a lot more complicated. But like you know,
Speaker 4: if you go through that process, I could see how
Speaker 4: you know, Toronto would be as it would be an
Speaker 4: interesting team. Now that's actually kind of an interesting team
Speaker 4: because you know, you know, national players seem to like Toronto.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, in August, I think New
Speaker 4: York made some sense, and it may not have made
Speaker 4: some sense from what the Knicks were in position to
Speaker 4: trade at the time. And I certainly don't think the
Speaker 4: Bucks were motivated to do it, like they probably wanted
Speaker 4: everything the Knicks could possibly offer before they would even
Speaker 4: get mildly interested. But that's the other question is if
Speaker 4: Jannis does so that There's really three questions that have
Speaker 4: been involved on my phone for the last twenty four hours. One,
Speaker 4: will Jannis actually go to the point where he says
Speaker 4: I want to be traded because he hasn't gotten to
Speaker 4: that point yet or before two. If he does get traded,
Speaker 4: will the list be longer than the Knicks than it
Speaker 4: was just a one team thing over the summer? And Three,
Speaker 4: if Jannis has a let's let's say there's three teams,
Speaker 4: let's say there's six teams, whatever, do the Bucks have
Speaker 4: to do business with just his list? Because he does
Speaker 4: have one year left on his contract plus a player option,
Speaker 4: so next year you'd be faced with having Giannis in
Speaker 4: a walk year. So typically in that situation, you would
Speaker 4: if you were trading for a guy, you'd want to
Speaker 4: know he is staying, especially if you're given a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan, As I've
Speaker 4: talked to people in the league. People don't necessarily think
Speaker 4: that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: But those are the three questions and the topics that
Speaker 4: are going around the league right now.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks.
Speaker 2: That'd be the only guy that'd be off limits.
Speaker 4: I would advise them, I haven't. I don't have insight
Speaker 4: on I don't have insight on that, but I would
Speaker 4: do so. The challenge with the Knicks is they really
Speaker 4: don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these
Speaker 4: other teams we could mention have their own draft picks,
Speaker 4: and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The
Speaker 4: Knicks don't have draft picks, so you would have to
Speaker 4: make it a player based trade. And here's the thing
Speaker 4: about the Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and
Speaker 4: this is this sort of backs up why they've double
Speaker 4: tripled Paul drippled down. They don't control I think their
Speaker 4: next three or four drafts. They've either traded the pick
Speaker 4: away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year
Speaker 4: and next year, I know for sure, I think even
Speaker 4: twenty eight two. And so when you're in that position,
Speaker 4: you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're
Speaker 4: going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And
Speaker 4: there's a few teams in the NBA right now who
Speaker 4: are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and
Speaker 4: they're in hell and so Milwaukee would probably have if
Speaker 4: they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this happen at all,
Speaker 4: but if they get to the point they have to
Speaker 4: trade them, they're probably going to look to make a
Speaker 4: player based trade. Or the draft asks that that they're
Speaker 4: going to get are going to be third party teams.
Speaker 4: In other words, if you do a team with if
Speaker 4: you do a deal with the team that you're trading
Speaker 4: y honest to you, and you're getting their picks for
Speaker 4: the next couple of years, that's not that exciting because
Speaker 4: that team stayed going to be good. If that team
Speaker 4: has a third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested in
Speaker 4: that so that it doesn't rely on your performance or
Speaker 4: that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading a needle.
Speaker 4: So that's another reason why New York would make some sense.
Speaker 4: They have some players that the Bucks could get that
Speaker 4: would help them retrofit their team.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm talking to Brian win Horst, ESPN, Senior
Speaker 2: NBA writer, help me understand the Chris Paul situation of
Speaker 2: why it had to happen on the road in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Well, that seems crazy, you know. And one of the
Speaker 4: things that Lawrence Frank, So, first off, Lawrence Frank had
Speaker 4: this press conference yesterday. The general manager of the President,
Speaker 4: I meik it's the president is its title, And first off,
Speaker 4: he said, put all the blame on me, which maybe
Speaker 4: Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it
Speaker 4: was not only him who wanted to do.
Speaker 2: It, but.
Speaker 4: Doing it the way they did it. He said that
Speaker 4: they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just
Speaker 4: let's just take that for the truth. Why was he
Speaker 4: in Miami on Monday? They're starting a long road trip
Speaker 4: and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night was because their flight
Speaker 4: was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't
Speaker 4: land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how
Speaker 4: long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown.
Speaker 4: It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 4: In the meeting went several hours. So why do you
Speaker 4: do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know?
Speaker 4: So like, the actual functionality of the way they handled
Speaker 4: it is wretched. The decision. You've been around sports for
Speaker 4: a long time. When you have a player who is
Speaker 4: very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role,
Speaker 4: it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal.
Speaker 4: He's been vocal with the officials, he's been vocal with
Speaker 4: his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the
Speaker 4: opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players.
Speaker 4: Imagine what he says off the court. You can just
Speaker 4: see what he says on the court. And when you're
Speaker 4: the star player and the point guard and you're playing
Speaker 4: all eighty two games and your team is competing for
Speaker 4: conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing
Speaker 4: that and the team is sinking and you're of a
Speaker 4: much smaller role, it doesn't work. I knew this twenty
Speaker 4: years ago when I started the NBA. This is a
Speaker 4: bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well,
Speaker 4: then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he
Speaker 4: would have a small role and that this was possible.
Speaker 4: That's fair, And I would just say that of the
Speaker 4: Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list. But there's
Speaker 4: a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far.
Speaker 2: When do you feel like we'll get a true sense
Speaker 2: of Lebron's role with the Lakers? If is he a
Speaker 2: third option now? And you know, I guess the future
Speaker 2: of how long does he want to play? Feel like
Speaker 2: he can play and being a maybe a third option
Speaker 2: for the Lakers and what role that plays.
Speaker 4: It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I
Speaker 4: thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team
Speaker 4: All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the
Speaker 4: Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was
Speaker 4: a bad matchup for them with Minnesota. But I thought
Speaker 4: that they really achieved in the regular season. They got
Speaker 4: the three seed. I mean, I know, the difference between
Speaker 4: the three and the six was really tight, but they
Speaker 4: got it. And you know, people were saying to me,
Speaker 4: why do you think this is it for Lebron, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, Like, look at him. He's still one
Speaker 4: of the top ten to fifteen players in the league.
Speaker 4: And then a couple of things happened. First off, he
Speaker 4: had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in
Speaker 4: the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had
Speaker 4: they extended that series, I don't know if he could
Speaker 4: have played. He missed training, he was out for weeks.
Speaker 4: He had He's never missed a playoff game in all
Speaker 4: you know, twenty years in the playoffs, he's never missed
Speaker 4: a playoff game. I'm not sure you've been able to
Speaker 4: play in the next game.
Speaker 2: So he had this knee injury.
Speaker 4: Then he hits the sciatica, so he has the most
Speaker 4: injured off season he's ever had, which maybe isn't a
Speaker 4: surprise at age forty, but it's still completely new. Also,
Speaker 4: they get Luca, so Lebron was already having a great season.
Speaker 4: Lebron played well when Luca after Luca got there, but
Speaker 4: the Luca thing happens. Then he has the injuries. Okay,
Speaker 4: so these are two things that we've never seen. We've
Speaker 4: never seen him not be the A one A guy
Speaker 4: on his team. We've never seen him have off season
Speaker 4: injuries before. Then his team without him plays really really well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely never happened. Maybe his team has been able to
Speaker 4: keep their nose above water when he's been out, whether
Speaker 4: it's been for you know, a week or a month,
Speaker 4: They've never achieved. You've never looked at a team that
Speaker 4: has missed Lebron for multiple games and gone, man, they're
Speaker 4: doing great. And Austin Reeves is having a career year.
Speaker 4: So you've got this series of circumstances that he's never
Speaker 4: experienced before. Not to mention not getting able to start
Speaker 4: a season not having to have a training camp, so
Speaker 4: we are in completely unknown territory for him. It would
Speaker 4: be unknown territory if any one of those things was true.
Speaker 4: Now the whole menu is true. And by the way,
Speaker 4: he rejoins the team as the number one score in
Speaker 4: the history of the league, where the two guys on
Speaker 4: his team are in the top ten in scoring, Reeves
Speaker 4: and Luca are like one in nine. I don't have
Speaker 4: and checked it today. Maybe Reeves dropped a little bit,
Speaker 4: but when he came back, I think they were one
Speaker 4: in eight. So you're asking, you're this is a completely
Speaker 4: different situation he's ever done. And the team's winning, you know,
Speaker 4: you're not coming in and boy, the team struggling, and
Speaker 4: now you got so I think he is absolutely in
Speaker 4: a little bit of the deep end of the pool
Speaker 4: that he's never been in before. I mean, how as
Speaker 4: it's been since Lebron's been in a situation that he
Speaker 4: hasn't not only seen but mastered. So this is awkward
Speaker 4: and he's showing his age.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: The other night in that game was really a game
Speaker 4: where I really looked thought Lebron looked like an older
Speaker 4: player for the first time, where he wasn't getting left.
Speaker 4: I mean, he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks.
Speaker 4: That's never happened in twenty three years, thousands of games.
Speaker 4: So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think
Speaker 4: anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to
Speaker 4: day trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Would you be more surprised if he played another year
Speaker 2: or he retired at the end of this year?
Speaker 4: I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as
Speaker 4: last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining
Speaker 4: that this was going to be it regardless of the contract,
Speaker 4: which as that's also something he's never experienced before, but
Speaker 4: is not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting his
Speaker 4: day to day.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just in the middle of I don't know,
Speaker 4: and I know it's an unsatisfactory answer, and I think
Speaker 4: Lebron has pretty much said the same thing. He said,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think Rich Paul, his agent, has
Speaker 4: said I don't know. I don't know. But that's that's
Speaker 4: a departure from me because I was in the camp
Speaker 4: of this guy could Tom Bradiot like I mean, and
Speaker 4: he still could Tom Bradiot, but if you watched him
Speaker 4: play last year. There's no way you said that's a
Speaker 4: guy about to retire.
Speaker 2: Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining.
Speaker 5: Have a good day.
Speaker 2: That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN Senior NBA writer, and I remember
Speaker 2: when he brought this up. It was in the preseason
Speaker 2: about Giannis and the Knicks, and then it kind of just,
Speaker 2: I don't know, that flittered away, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it resurfaced, and then you know, Shams is
Speaker 2: talking about he wants out, and next thing you know,
Speaker 2: he's playing in the game last night and then he's
Speaker 2: out in the first quarter, gets injured. Now all of
Speaker 2: a sudden trade speculation and which teams could pony up
Speaker 2: for Giannis. But Brian was on that story a few
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Speaker 2: Cody in Texas, Hi, Cody, what's on your mind today? Hey?
Speaker 8: Dan, got a big game tonight Dallas and Detroit.
Speaker 9: Wanted to run something by you.
Speaker 8: You know, it's Christmas time and there's no cowboys gearing
Speaker 8: the DP store. If the Cowboys win tonight, trade up
Speaker 8: some shirts, says Jerry.
Speaker 10: Was right.
Speaker 2: Uh, we don't have to print up T shirts to
Speaker 2: say some of that, you know. But we were talking
Speaker 2: about the mikeh and thank you for the phone call, Cody.
Speaker 2: I know Jerry's getting credit a little more credit, but
Speaker 2: if they don't bring in Quinn Williams, then that defense
Speaker 2: is not as formidable as it's been. We're talking about
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons and the trade they made with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: I didn't think was a great trade for Dallas, but
Speaker 2: if you get assets from the packers and you can
Speaker 2: use them and then you bring in Quinn Williams. Okay,
Speaker 2: now we can assess that trade. And I think Dallas,
Speaker 2: let's put it this way, green Bay is going to
Speaker 2: do that trade no matter what. If you said, hey,
Speaker 2: you want to do it again, green Bay is going
Speaker 2: to say yes, and Dallas can say we'll do it
Speaker 2: again because we're going to bring in Quinn Williams. Yes, Yes, Pauling.
Speaker 6: The one thing about Quinn Williams, he's way less expensive
Speaker 6: than Michah Parsons. He's eight and a half millions this year,
Speaker 6: He's twenty two million next year and twenty five million
Speaker 6: the next year after that twenty twenty seven, So it's
Speaker 6: half the investment, less than half the investment for a
Speaker 6: pretty high end player who's still in his prime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't have a pass rusher. So he's
Speaker 2: really good at what he's being paid to do. But
Speaker 2: Michaeh Parsons is in an elite category. He's going to
Speaker 2: be second for Defensive Player of the Year. He's still
Speaker 2: a great player and he's a difference maker. Quinn Williams
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that you have to watch
Speaker 2: the game and you go, man, he's in on a
Speaker 2: lot of these tackles and he kind of clutters up
Speaker 2: the middle. He does that, and he's been great. And
Speaker 2: Dallas is a better than average defense now, and that's
Speaker 2: what we said. If they were better than average, it's
Speaker 2: with that offense that's above average, they would be a
Speaker 2: playoff team. So it's no surprise. But Jerry, Jerry fumbled
Speaker 2: the Michaeh Parsons deal because that could have been done
Speaker 2: a while ago, and Jerry let pride and Ego get
Speaker 2: into it and then they it turned out good. It
Speaker 2: turned out well for Dallas, but Green Bay is probably
Speaker 2: thrilled that they have Michael Parsons. Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 6: They also got George Pickens for a third round draft
Speaker 6: pick and a fifth round in twenty twenty seven, which
Speaker 6: this year working out fantastic.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They took a chance on a guy who was
Speaker 2: in the final year of his contract and it's turned
Speaker 2: out well. But there's the reason why I didn't work
Speaker 2: out in Pittsburgh, and that would would be what I
Speaker 2: would be aware of or be aware of, because once
Speaker 2: he gets that contract and he's gonna want Cede Lamb
Speaker 2: money and he is outperformed Cede Lamb, Are you going
Speaker 2: to give him that kind of money? So you'd be
Speaker 2: wrapped up with DA's money, Cede Lamb, and then you'd
Speaker 2: have George Pickens, so you would have what almost you'd
Speaker 2: have one hundred million dollars in three players. That would
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a concern for me, just
Speaker 2: a little bit. PAULI brought this up to me yesterday
Speaker 2: and we weren't on the air, and he said he
Speaker 2: was kind of joking, but you know, kind of half serious.
Speaker 2: And he goes, here's Notre Dame and Notre Dame not
Speaker 2: in the conference, so they can't play another game. And
Speaker 2: if they could play another game and maybe they beat
Speaker 2: Air Force Academy or something, you kind of stay in
Speaker 2: the conversation and maybe that helps your playoff push. Here
Speaker 2: what turns out Vanderbilt, according to ESPN Pete Thamil, Vanderbilt
Speaker 2: was trying to schedule another game. They're not going to
Speaker 2: be in the SEC title game, and Vandy was like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: we got two losses, we're not going to be in
Speaker 2: the playoff picture. I think they might be thirteenth and
Speaker 2: they're ten and two, and they're saying, can we schedule
Speaker 2: the game, and I don't know if the NCAA or
Speaker 2: the SEC said no, you can't as much as they
Speaker 2: were obstacles to try to play that game. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. Is there a limit on the number of
Speaker 2: games that you can play during a regular season? As
Speaker 2: college football cap the number of games that you can
Speaker 2: play during the regular season, because we know if you
Speaker 2: get into the playoffs, you're going to play you know,
Speaker 2: two three more games. But can you add just add
Speaker 2: a game? Vanderbilt tried and they were told that there
Speaker 2: are too many obstacles in the way. This according to ESPN,
Speaker 2: Yes Pauling.
Speaker 6: But according to this ES report, it was that they
Speaker 6: couldn't get it together in time to put together game.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily that the SEC or NCAA said no to them,
Speaker 6: but what a sport that the team says, you know what,
Speaker 6: with a week's notice, we're going to add a football
Speaker 6: game just to boost our resume. An exhibition game, I guess,
Speaker 6: exempt game. And that is even a possibility in the
Speaker 6: sport that was pursued.
Speaker 2: Wait, it was going to be an exhibition game, Well, it.
Speaker 6: Was going to be an exempt game, like it's not
Speaker 6: on the regular schedule or be just an add on game,
Speaker 6: like you said, versus Army or Yukon or someone like that.
Speaker 6: That's independent, But it's unclear that if they could have
Speaker 6: done it, if they got their stuff together.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder about this when you have conference title
Speaker 2: games and then you have some schools that you know,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame doesn't have a conference that they're in. You
Speaker 2: know that's on Notre Dame. But could Notre Dame have
Speaker 2: added a game, you know, if it was Army, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the downside to that other than if you don't
Speaker 2: play well? But I think they're trying to stay in
Speaker 2: the conversation. And their schedule in the second half of
Speaker 2: the season wasn't very good. You know, you're watching them
Speaker 2: play really good football, but you're not going, oh, they
Speaker 2: beat Oklahoma or they beat Tennessee. Yes, tod the schedule.
Speaker 5: Is the schedule That is ridiculous that they would even
Speaker 5: entertain the thought of allowing such a thing. This is
Speaker 5: your schedule, here's your opportunity. These are the schools. Some
Speaker 5: of them make you decided to play against, whether it's
Speaker 5: a strong or not strong team. And that's just the
Speaker 5: way it is. When it's over, it's over. That's your
Speaker 5: winter loss record. You can all of a sudden try
Speaker 5: to add a game. Think about that in any other sport,
Speaker 5: that'll be insane seatan.
Speaker 3: You know, football teams pro or NFL, or at pro
Speaker 3: or college don't seem to be in the business of
Speaker 3: just adding games because it'd be fun, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's a bigger picture here, and that is
Speaker 2: we want to stay on your radar. We want to
Speaker 2: show you just how good we are we're not playing.
Speaker 3: I don't think Notre Dame doesn't have that problem with
Speaker 3: staying on the radar. They don't need an extra game
Speaker 3: to be like, ah, I see, we actually do deserve it.
Speaker 3: If anything, you're risking like injury and other loss another
Speaker 3: the downside to me is way stronger than you know,
Speaker 3: throwing in another game to be like, ah see, we
Speaker 3: beat them too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even Notre Dame needs a little attention.
Speaker 2: You got Marcus free been going on to the Today Show,
Speaker 2: fly to New York, go on to Today Show and
Speaker 2: talk about Notre Dame and then the season, and that
Speaker 2: just felt like a uh oh, we got to get
Speaker 2: something going here. We got to get people, you know,
Speaker 2: continuing to talk about us, because if BYU beat Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: I don't think Notre Dame's in.
Speaker 3: Notre Dame is like the only school that has their
Speaker 3: own network or where they were for the longest time.
Speaker 2: That the whole thing.
Speaker 3: The biggest criticism of Notre Dame since my whole life
Speaker 3: has been that they're so overexposed.
Speaker 2: Well, then why go on the Today Show. The timing
Speaker 2: of that to go on the Today Show was just surprising.
Speaker 2: I think for Marcus Freeman that yes, you're with NBC
Speaker 2: and there's some programming with behind the scenes with Notre
Speaker 2: Dame football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's he's the only coach in the
Speaker 3: country that can do that because because he's the Notre
Speaker 3: Dame head coach, not because he's like begging for airtime.
Speaker 3: He's he's the only one. They're not having any other
Speaker 3: college coaches on. They just had that one on because
Speaker 3: that's how.
Speaker 2: Big they are. Well, no, they have a partnership with NBC,
Speaker 2: But why would he go to New York to talk
Speaker 2: about a behind the scenes Notre Dame series that's not
Speaker 2: on NBC. It felt like he was It felt like
Speaker 2: it was twofold. It was like, Hey, just letting everybody
Speaker 2: know what we do at Notre Dame football branding maybe
Speaker 2: for an audience that's not really a football audience. That
Speaker 2: to me was surprising. It felt like there was It
Speaker 2: felt like there was more to that that he's going
Speaker 2: on the Today Show just to remind people or say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're Notre Dame football and they may get left out
Speaker 2: of the playoffs.
Speaker 11: Yes, Mart, but Notre Dame feels like the last school
Speaker 11: that needs this at all in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 11: But also, if they beat Army, say they play another game, Okay, great,
Speaker 11: you beat Army, You're still not getting in the playoffs.
Speaker 11: And then you would have to molly wat them. You
Speaker 11: would have to kill them because college football is about
Speaker 11: style points. So if you play them and you beat
Speaker 11: Army twenty to ten, they're gonna be look it barely
Speaker 11: beat a service academy, so they're not gonna give it.
Speaker 2: If Vandy plays Army, they're not getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But they were trying to play another game. Yet.
Speaker 11: I don't see the point in this either way for
Speaker 11: either school.
Speaker 6: Why yeah, Paul, I have a little more detail on this,
Speaker 6: this bandy thing. According to Yahoo Sports, it would be
Speaker 6: a game that would never count on their official record
Speaker 6: in the nca record books. If they added a game
Speaker 6: this weekend, and there's no guarantee that the playoff committee
Speaker 6: would look at it or be allowed to look at
Speaker 6: it because it's not a game under the NCAA's jurisdiction.
Speaker 6: And I looked up Diego Povey is not on the
Speaker 6: view tomorrow. He's not chopping up with the ladies.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but he might be on the CBS Morning
Speaker 2: Show with Gail King.
Speaker 12: Check it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course if he brings, if he brings his mom,
Speaker 2: then they would probably have them on. Absolutely adding another
Speaker 2: game though, it was kind of interesting. Yeah, but PAULI
Speaker 2: brought that up with Notre Dame. If you play another game,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, unless you're playing a really good team
Speaker 2: that you know on a neutral sight or something, then maybe,
Speaker 2: but I can't see them. Ay, we're gonna play Army,
Speaker 2: all right, man, And we won forty four to seven.
Speaker 2: We should be in the playoffs. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6: If BYU wins and Notre Dame is out of the playoffs,
Speaker 6: the BYU Texas Bowl game matchup would be the best
Speaker 6: one you could put together. I don't know which ball
Speaker 6: would have first, right, Citrus Bowl or whatever it may be.
Speaker 6: But if you could put together Texas and Notre Dame
Speaker 6: in a bowl game' that'd be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Tom.
Speaker 5: If a school would ever have the right to play
Speaker 5: one extra game to prove that they belong in, it
Speaker 5: should work the other way as well. Any other school
Speaker 5: that are on the fence should be forced them to
Speaker 5: play a game and they run the risk of getting
Speaker 5: knocked out if it looked like they were going to
Speaker 5: get that eleven or twelfth spot. You can't just work
Speaker 5: one way. At the very end, you create this new game.
Speaker 2: A couple of phone calls here eight seven to seven
Speaker 2: to three DP show Adam in La Hi, Adam, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 10: Dad, I think there is someone onto something here that
Speaker 10: could satisfy sort of the Oh we got screw we
Speaker 10: were left out. What about the two teams that are
Speaker 10: sort of on the bubble here, like Vanderbilt Notre Dame.
Speaker 10: You guys play for the twelfth spot. We've called you
Speaker 10: guys thirteen and twelve, and you guys play it out.
Speaker 2: A play in game, is what you're talking about, Adam. Oh, brother,
Speaker 2: don't give them any it's not the play and it's
Speaker 2: called it's the first round. Okay, it's not the.
Speaker 6: Play It'll be the first four, yes, both In all seriousness,
Speaker 6: this has been brought up before, some type of playing
Speaker 6: game for the twelfth spot. But next weekend, not this weekend.
Speaker 6: Is Army Navy stand alone. There are FCS games playoff games,
Speaker 6: but that would be a touchy one because Army Navy
Speaker 6: gets the weekend to themselves. Of course, tradition usually gets
Speaker 6: bought out. But if you could have an night game
Speaker 6: after Army Navy at the day game, it's a playing
Speaker 6: game that could possibly work.
Speaker 2: Boy Fred and Fred in West Virginia. Hey, Fred, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind?
Speaker 12: Hey Dan?
Speaker 13: Thank you for working through it this week man, you're
Speaker 13: doing a great job in the spirit of great content,
Speaker 13: which we all know you of. Wendy made me think
Speaker 13: a little bit the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 13: They can get under they can get out from under
Speaker 13: a d They've got some they've got some draft they
Speaker 13: could offer up. I think it would be a lot
Speaker 13: of fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the thing, Fred, we always look at
Speaker 2: these trades and they're one sided, and you go, boy,
Speaker 2: look at what Dallas is going to get If I'm Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: I don't want Anthony Davis. I don't like I want
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag, but I don't Why would I want Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2: Dallas probably doesn't want Anthony Davis. Thank you for I
Speaker 2: could put Giannis in there with Dallas, but you make
Speaker 2: it seem like I don't know somebody won Anthony Davis. Uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know? And what are you getting in return
Speaker 2: for Anthony Davis? Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, thanks for
Speaker 2: holding what's on your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Quick thing. Vanderbilt went from being a cute little story,
Speaker 10: you know, wow, this already team and now turned into
Speaker 10: maybe a powerhouse in the SEC two almost unbearable. Hey, diango,
Speaker 10: if you would have won those two games you lost
Speaker 10: instead of trying to, you know, strengthen your Eisman campaign
Speaker 10: and like play team football, maybe you'd be in the
Speaker 10: playoff contention.
Speaker 2: Just win your games, all right? Aiden on fire today?
Speaker 6: Yeah, if Vandy is getting called out for decisions on
Speaker 6: national sports.
Speaker 2: Radio, you become a football school.
Speaker 6: If you're trying to play an extra game to impress
Speaker 6: the need, just a couple of recruiting violations and they're
Speaker 6: officially a football school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to get caught cheating and then they
Speaker 2: could be a big time program here. All right, we'll
Speaker 2: take a break, Last call for phone calls, what we learn,
Speaker 2: What's in store tomorrow? And this dang sports history after this.
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Speaker 1: listen live, Last call for phone calls, What we learn,
Speaker 1: What's in store tomorrow. Nice to know that one of
Speaker 1: my college football sources is listening to the program. Adding
Speaker 1: a thirteenth game can't just happen, Especially for appeal to
Speaker 1: the committee.
Speaker 2: There is a Hawaii exemption. A Hawaii exemption, if an
Speaker 2: FBS team plays a game in Hawaii, it's allowed to
Speaker 2: schedule one additional regular season game. It applies whether the
Speaker 2: team travels to Hawaii or host to Hawaii. The purpose
Speaker 2: is to offset increase travel cost. So if a Mountain
Speaker 2: West or Pac twelve school plays at Hawaii, they can
Speaker 2: schedule with thirteenth game. The NCAA officially allowed a twelve
Speaker 2: game regular season that began in two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: So you get to play twelve games, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6: I wonder if teams know that tidbit, because you could
Speaker 6: go out to Hawaii early in the season and then
Speaker 6: add another team late in the season and boost your schedule.
Speaker 2: I mean Notre Dame needs to do that, Yes, schedule Hawaii.
Speaker 6: What if everyone learned about this and the next thing
Speaker 6: you know, Hawaii's got Alabama coming to town.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Bandy, everybody wants to play Hawaii? Well, who
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go to Hawaii? H Anyway? Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 2: Tony in California? Hi, Tony, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 14: Hey?
Speaker 9: Guys?
Speaker 13: How's going today?
Speaker 12: Beautiful day?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 9: So, first of all, I want to compliment you guys
Speaker 9: are so nice to me as first I ever call
Speaker 9: it into sports soccer radio show, and you guys are
Speaker 9: so kind. I want to congratulate you on that.
Speaker 2: Thanks you sure it was us, Tony?
Speaker 13: Yeah it was you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was you. I told you, you know, I
Speaker 9: told you. God somebody lls you. But anyways, I want
Speaker 9: to talk about the Clippers if I could. Okay, I
Speaker 9: need your help, man. What am I gonna do with
Speaker 9: this team? I've been some brew up in San Diego,
Speaker 9: used to go Clipper games, Drome, Whitehead will be free.
Speaker 9: You know Freeman Williams, you know, Danny Manning. But what
Speaker 9: are we gonna do?
Speaker 2: Like we got rid of You should have known, you
Speaker 2: should have known back then of what was in store
Speaker 2: for you. You can't quit now, I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: gone through. I was gonna say the his and lows,
Speaker 2: but it's it's it's lows and some higher lows. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a mess. Sorry about that, Tony. Yeah, Seed, I.
Speaker 3: Get the sense Tony's been facetious there about his first
Speaker 3: time calling in and we were kind to him.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, yeah, I thought he was being very tony.
Speaker 2: Were you being serious or sarcastic? There?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 9: Very serious? Yeah, no, okay, I said I never called
Speaker 9: the sports show, but back twenty years ago I called
Speaker 9: Jim Rome. They were rude. I like Jim Rome, but
Speaker 9: he was rude, racking.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony, I am out, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6: You know, the Clippers have made the postseason fourteen of
Speaker 6: the past sixteen years. They used to have dry spells
Speaker 6: where they go eight or nine years or not even
Speaker 6: a postseason appearance. They haven't gone very deep, but they're
Speaker 6: in it ish well.
Speaker 2: Half the league makes the playoffs. I'm trying to spin
Speaker 2: it positive, I know, but you can't go, man, we
Speaker 2: make Okay, then you must love what the Steelers have
Speaker 2: been doing. They make the playoffs. Yeah, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 11: But if you're the Clippers, you were the worst franchise
Speaker 11: in all of American sports. And I'm pretty confident saying
Speaker 11: that for most of my childhood. But when Chris Paul
Speaker 11: got there, they became a respectable franchise, and you know what,
Speaker 11: they're contender ish.
Speaker 2: Remember when Arsenio Hall and Billy Crystal would go and
Speaker 2: we'd like, man, you know, they got their celebrities there.
Speaker 2: I think it was just those two where you go
Speaker 2: to a Laker game in the entire you know, first row,
Speaker 2: surrounding the court celebrities.
Speaker 11: Yes, Mark, don't forget about Franki Ninez from Malcolm in
Speaker 11: the Middle. He was a Clippers fan.
Speaker 2: Too, Certainly, I did forget about Frankie. Three big stars. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, man, the Clippers thought they had had figured out.
Speaker 2: You know what, we're gonna trade this guy SGA. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get Paul George and we're gonna give them draft
Speaker 2: picks like okay, we're gonna bring in Kawhi. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get Kawhi phantom jobs. We're gonna We're gonna bring him in.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He's gonna be ready for the postseason. Hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, how about James Harden. Let's bring him
Speaker 2: in as well. Okay, yeah, Pull, here's a weird stat
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 6: In the past thirteen seasons, the Clippers have made the
Speaker 6: postseason eleven times. In the past thirteen seasons, the Lakers
Speaker 6: have made the postseason five times.
Speaker 2: You'd win it?
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa stand of the day? Stant of to day?
Speaker 1: Stant a day, stan of a day?
Speaker 2: This is the stanle of the day. But if I
Speaker 2: said to a Clipper fan, you're gonna make the playoffs
Speaker 2: five times, but you're gonna win an NBA championship, orre
Speaker 2: you gonna make it eleven consecutive times? I know what
Speaker 2: your answer would be. Should be Ray in Massachusetts, Good morning, Ray,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind? Hi On Dan, you're doing it well.
Speaker 14: John. I loved you ever since you were on ESPN.
Speaker 14: And I want to shout out my Chicago Bears. I'm
Speaker 14: born raised in Springfield, but I'm a die out Chicago
Speaker 14: Bears fan and pubs.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, well, you guys did win a championship not too
Speaker 2: long ago. Thank you, Ray, thank you, great job all
Speaker 2: around there. You want to share the wealth. It's not
Speaker 2: just for me to everybody. Todd, that's very nice. Now
Speaker 2: I'm saying, not you. It's awkward.
Speaker 5: He got very awkward.
Speaker 2: Just Nick and Colorado. Hi, Nick, what's on your mind?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 12: Six foot one sixty five.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 12: The only thing I was going to suggest for the
Speaker 12: college football playoff is, well, don't they just make it
Speaker 12: a tournament style like basketball? Maybe a certain win percentage
Speaker 12: or conference? Uh, you know what your record is in
Speaker 12: the conference gets you in, and you know you get
Speaker 12: about half or a quarter of the teams and all
Speaker 12: the different conferences, and nobody could complain that they weren't
Speaker 12: allowed to come in.
Speaker 8: Expeat.
Speaker 2: I don't know why Division three playoffs works, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't work for higher grades, higher levels FCS seems to work.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if adding more teams
Speaker 2: solves everything, but I'm told that they're not going to
Speaker 2: fourteen or sixteen teams next year and would probably be
Speaker 2: the year after that that they're going to do that.
Speaker 2: How about this James sports history, Paul, You got anything
Speaker 2: A couple for you. This is old school.
Speaker 6: Nineteen seventy seven, Tony Dorset of the Cowboys, as a rookie,
Speaker 6: ran for two hundred and six yards against the Eagles,
Speaker 6: only the third rookie in history to run for more
Speaker 6: than two hundred yards in the game. Bonus coverage. Who
Speaker 6: has the rookie rushing record for a single game, and
Speaker 6: I think it might be the all time rushing record
Speaker 6: for a single game. Who wants a piece of it?
Speaker 2: Marvin Adrian Pearson bloop.
Speaker 6: Adrian Peterson in his eighth game ran for two hundred
Speaker 6: ninety six yards on thirty carries, nine nine yards of carry,
Speaker 6: three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Now he's fighting guys at poker game. Man, let me
Speaker 2: see anything else here? Yeah? I got one more? Anything else? Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 6: Nineteen eighty seven, Kareem medl Jabbar was held to seven
Speaker 6: points in the game. He had scored at least ten
Speaker 6: in the game the previous seven hundred and eighty seven games.
Speaker 2: Is that broke his story? Lebron's up to twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: He just got that the other night where it seemed
Speaker 2: like he was staying in the game to be able
Speaker 2: to get his ten points.
Speaker 11: Is that right, Marvin, when you're on the court with
Speaker 11: your son, that's not good. Just jacking up threes, no good,
Speaker 11: what a chucker.
Speaker 2: But he did get He got the double digits, though
Speaker 2: I think he extended his streak. It's the all time record.
Speaker 2: Would you learn, Todd?
Speaker 5: We all learned from Pauli in his four years a
Speaker 5: due Christian Lana lost just twenty six games as the
Speaker 5: rookie with the t Wolves. Sixty three games lost that season, Sat.
Speaker 2: And what did you learn? The Hawaii exemption? Yes, who
Speaker 2: knew Marvin between the lines. Yeah, Paulie, we're all going
Speaker 2: to Hawaii. Enjoy the football tonight. We'll recap it tomorrow
Speaker 2: for Fritzie's seat and Marv, Paula yours truly in the BRGS.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you on Friday.