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If you were the. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.160 Milwaukee Bucks, you would seventy four percent of the audience 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.640 have us trading him in the best fit for Giannis 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.040 is right now in New York, followed by san Antonio 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:05.720 dominating that. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:10.000 Poolecost Okay, we bring in Brian Winhorns to the mothership. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.920 ESPN senior NBA writer, How did we get to this point? Ryan? 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.200 With Jannis in the Bucks? 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.080 Not one hundred percent sure where we are because one 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.880 of the things that I've been talking to league executive 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.080 types about in the last twenty four hours is do 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.880 we think that this time the Honis will actually go 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.680 all the way and formally say it's time to trade me, 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.560 because he's rattled the saber before. And you know, one 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.840 of the more fascinating stories that came out of this 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.119 whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:48.120 It came out in October and Shamstererania, my colleague at ESPN, 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.960 reported it. But in August, Janice talked to the Bucks 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.440 and different people can use different verbs here, and I'm 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.080 not trying to like step on anybody, but he showed 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.680 an interest in wanting to be on the New York Knicks, 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.760 and to the point where the Knicks and the Bucks 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.960 had trade talks. And I know what Doc River said yesterday, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.280 said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay, he may 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.720 not have said those words. I promise you the Bucks 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.960 it wasn't their idea, okay. And I know that it 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.400 caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you know how 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.000 I know because like two weeks before, they signed Mikhale 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.480 Bridges to a contract extension, a really good contract extension, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.760 nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't have signed 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.960 him or that they absolutely were going to trade him 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.880 in that deal, but once you signed him to that, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.080 you can't trade him for six months. So if you 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.320 were thought that you were about to potentially enter a 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.560 very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those guys 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.919 off the table. So I think it caught the Knicks 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.360 off guard too. And so what I think happened was 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.840 it was Yiannis's idea. Now you can bring people on 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.520 here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine. The 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:07.119 talks took place, okay. And the important thing is Jannis 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.080 watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which was 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.560 do this crazy move. It was a two hundred million 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.960 dollar move. They cut Dame, making one hundred million dollars 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.240 in dead money, and then they signed Miles Turner for 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.200 one hundred million. So they took one hundred million dollar problem, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.400 which was a player in his thirties recovered from Achilles, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.960 and they made it a two hundred dollars investment for 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.240 a Miles Turner, who is a quality player just helped 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.320 the team to get to the finals. Excellent, a high 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.400 quality role player, but not a star player. He saw 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.240 those moves and then he said, I have some interest 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.920 in becoming a Nick. Okay, So that happened, and it 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.400 didn't come out until October. And at that point, Yannis 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.640 they had signed his two brothers, you know, and Yiannis 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.440 was playing for the Bucks and everything. But like that 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.160 was a real indication of what y where Yannis's head 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:07.160 was at. Here's the other thing. Yannis's family moved to Greece. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.760 If you know anything about Yannis, the family is extraordinarily 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.960 important to him. It's one of the reasons why the 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.160 Bucks have signed his two brothers, because they know how 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.560 important it is to have his family with him. That 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.520 he sent his fair He might have had ten reasons 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.680 to send his family to Greece. But again, these are 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.960 actions that you're looking at going you know, so what 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.440 the league is wondering is knowing what happened in the summer, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.000 knowing about the other stuff, knowing that the team is 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.320 not doing well, although they had their best win of 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.480 the year last night they beat the Pistons without Yanis. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.560 Will Janis actually go forward and say, Okay, I wanted 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.520 to because I don't think the Bucks are going to 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.120 get there Dan, because the Bucks are so mortgaged and 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.240 so deeply invested in keeping him, and I actually don't 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.840 blame them. And so that's really what the question is 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.520 is is will Yannis take the next step besides the 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.080 saber rattling that he's done before? 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:06.120 Why the Knicks? 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:08.240 Good question? 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:08.599 You know? 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.760 He he really you know, in all of the on 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.320 all of the discussions from Jannis and from John Horst, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.919 their general manager and doc, no one denied those talks 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:23.040 took place. The Knicks certainly didn't deny it, and I thought, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:27.040 I know that they happened. And you know, I will 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.360 say that if you were in a vacuum choosing where 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.200 to go, you would want to go to the Eastern Conference. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.800 You know, I think you know, you know you we 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.760 want to stay East. And so if you looked at 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.719 the Eastern Conference and you said, well, where would I 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.000 want to be as a player. Where do I think 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.480 I can you know, make a big impact? Where could 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.359 we win right away? 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:49.200 Like New York. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.960 Rises to the top. You can make some cases for 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.279 some other teams, you know, Miami for example, you know, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.320 maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston all that that type of tray 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.039 would be a lot more complicated. But like you know, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.920 if you go through that process, I could see how 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.000 you know, Toronto would be as it would be an 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.520 interesting team. Now that's actually kind of an interesting team 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.880 because you know, you know, national players seem to like Toronto. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.520 But I think, you know, in August, I think New 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.880 York made some sense, and it may not have made 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.200 some sense from what the Knicks were in position to 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.640 trade at the time. And I certainly don't think the 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.320 Bucks were motivated to do it, like they probably wanted 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.680 everything the Knicks could possibly offer before they would even 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.440 get mildly interested. But that's the other question is if 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.880 Jannis does so that There's really three questions that have 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.200 been involved on my phone for the last twenty four hours. One, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.479 will Jannis actually go to the point where he says 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.960 I want to be traded because he hasn't gotten to 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.320 that point yet or before two. If he does get traded, 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.920 will the list be longer than the Knicks than it 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.520 was just a one team thing over the summer? And Three, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.240 if Jannis has a let's let's say there's three teams, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.440 let's say there's six teams, whatever, do the Bucks have 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:07.200 to do business with just his list? Because he does 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.960 have one year left on his contract plus a player option, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.640 so next year you'd be faced with having Giannis in 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:19.200 a walk year. So typically in that situation, you would 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.080 if you were trading for a guy, you'd want to 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.320 know he is staying, especially if you're given a lot 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.560 of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan, As I've 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.080 talked to people in the league. People don't necessarily think 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.080 that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So I'm not sure. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:34.920 But those are the three questions and the topics that 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.280 are going around the league right now. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.800 I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.880 That'd be the only guy that'd be off limits. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.000 I would advise them, I haven't. I don't have insight 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.600 on I don't have insight on that, but I would 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.119 do so. The challenge with the Knicks is they really 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.800 don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.640 other teams we could mention have their own draft picks, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.320 and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.920 Knicks don't have draft picks, so you would have to 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.680 make it a player based trade. And here's the thing 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.080 about the Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.800 this is this sort of backs up why they've double 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.920 tripled Paul drippled down. They don't control I think their 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.320 next three or four drafts. They've either traded the pick 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.400 away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.080 and next year, I know for sure, I think even 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.600 twenty eight two. And so when you're in that position, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.440 you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.160 going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.920 there's a few teams in the NBA right now who 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.559 are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.679 they're in hell and so Milwaukee would probably have if 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.000 they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this happen at all, 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.280 but if they get to the point they have to 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.040 trade them, they're probably going to look to make a 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.680 player based trade. Or the draft asks that that they're 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.240 going to get are going to be third party teams. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.679 In other words, if you do a team with if 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.160 you do a deal with the team that you're trading 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.679 y honest to you, and you're getting their picks for 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.000 the next couple of years, that's not that exciting because 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.240 that team stayed going to be good. If that team 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.320 has a third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested in 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.800 that so that it doesn't rely on your performance or 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.959 that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading a needle. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.880 So that's another reason why New York would make some sense. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.120 They have some players that the Bucks could get that 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.360 would help them retrofit their team. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.960 Right now, I'm talking to Brian win Horst, ESPN, Senior 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.000 NBA writer, help me understand the Chris Paul situation of 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.800 why it had to happen on the road in Atlanta. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.920 Well, that seems crazy, you know. And one of the 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.360 things that Lawrence Frank, So, first off, Lawrence Frank had 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.319 this press conference yesterday. The general manager of the President, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.480 I meik it's the president is its title, And first off, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:52.120 he said, put all the blame on me, which maybe 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.320 Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.760 was not only him who wanted to do. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.640 It, but. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.080 Doing it the way they did it. He said that 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.240 they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.160 let's just take that for the truth. Why was he 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.959 in Miami on Monday? They're starting a long road trip 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.959 and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.839 in the middle of the night was because their flight 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.600 was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.200 land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.319 long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.800 It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.600 In the meeting went several hours. So why do you 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.480 do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know? 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.080 So like, the actual functionality of the way they handled 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:51.560 it is wretched. The decision. You've been around sports for 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.240 a long time. When you have a player who is 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.839 very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.360 it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal. 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.240 He's been vocal with the officials, he's been vocal with 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.960 his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.800 opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.520 Imagine what he says off the court. You can just 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.839 see what he says on the court. And when you're 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.280 the star player and the point guard and you're playing 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.160 all eighty two games and your team is competing for 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.839 conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.560 that and the team is sinking and you're of a 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.920 much smaller role, it doesn't work. I knew this twenty 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.600 years ago when I started the NBA. This is a 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.160 bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.800 then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.280 would have a small role and that this was possible. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.120 That's fair, And I would just say that of the 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.080 Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list. But there's 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.440 a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.360 When do you feel like we'll get a true sense 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.880 of Lebron's role with the Lakers? If is he a 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.840 third option now? And you know, I guess the future 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.680 of how long does he want to play? Feel like 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.480 he can play and being a maybe a third option 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.280 for the Lakers and what role that plays. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.839 It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.000 thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.079 All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.480 Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.360 a bad matchup for them with Minnesota. But I thought 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.840 that they really achieved in the regular season. They got 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.040 the three seed. I mean, I know, the difference between 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:34.719 the three and the six was really tight, but they 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.720 got it. And you know, people were saying to me, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.320 why do you think this is it for Lebron, And 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.120 I'm like, no, Like, look at him. He's still one 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.200 of the top ten to fifteen players in the league. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.600 And then a couple of things happened. First off, he 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:53.320 had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.160 the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.400 they extended that series, I don't know if he could 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.079 have played. He missed training, he was out for weeks. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.079 He had He's never missed a playoff game in all 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.320 you know, twenty years in the playoffs, he's never missed 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.000 a playoff game. I'm not sure you've been able to 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:11.760 play in the next game. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.360 So he had this knee injury. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.840 Then he hits the sciatica, so he has the most 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.679 injured off season he's ever had, which maybe isn't a 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.720 surprise at age forty, but it's still completely new. Also, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:29.720 they get Luca, so Lebron was already having a great season. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.160 Lebron played well when Luca after Luca got there, but 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.840 the Luca thing happens. Then he has the injuries. Okay, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.120 so these are two things that we've never seen. We've 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.920 never seen him not be the A one A guy 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.560 on his team. We've never seen him have off season 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:50.360 injuries before. Then his team without him plays really really well. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.439 Absolutely never happened. Maybe his team has been able to 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.520 keep their nose above water when he's been out, whether 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.000 it's been for you know, a week or a month, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.559 They've never achieved. You've never looked at a team that 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.120 has missed Lebron for multiple games and gone, man, they're 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.480 doing great. And Austin Reeves is having a career year. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.160 So you've got this series of circumstances that he's never 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.560 experienced before. Not to mention not getting able to start 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.360 a season not having to have a training camp, so 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:22.160 we are in completely unknown territory for him. It would 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.840 be unknown territory if any one of those things was true. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.200 Now the whole menu is true. And by the way, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.880 he rejoins the team as the number one score in 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.480 the history of the league, where the two guys on 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.560 his team are in the top ten in scoring, Reeves 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.800 and Luca are like one in nine. I don't have 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.360 and checked it today. Maybe Reeves dropped a little bit, 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.120 but when he came back, I think they were one 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:47.320 in eight. So you're asking, you're this is a completely 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.440 different situation he's ever done. And the team's winning, you know, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.320 you're not coming in and boy, the team struggling, and 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.680 now you got so I think he is absolutely in 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.240 a little bit of the deep end of the pool 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.240 that he's never been in before. I mean, how as 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.160 it's been since Lebron's been in a situation that he 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.040 hasn't not only seen but mastered. So this is awkward 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.560 and he's showing his age. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:08.720 You know. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.040 The other night in that game was really a game 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.800 where I really looked thought Lebron looked like an older 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.160 player for the first time, where he wasn't getting left. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.280 I mean, he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.680 That's never happened in twenty three years, thousands of games. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:29.560 So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.920 anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.320 day trying to figure it out. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.560 Would you be more surprised if he played another year 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.400 or he retired at the end of this year? 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.240 I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.960 last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.600 that this was going to be it regardless of the contract, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.600 which as that's also something he's never experienced before, but 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.240 is not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting his 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:00.040 day to day. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:01.640 Now. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.680 I'm just I'm just in the middle of I don't know, 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.040 and I know it's an unsatisfactory answer, and I think 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.960 Lebron has pretty much said the same thing. He said, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.120 I don't know. I think Rich Paul, his agent, has 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.960 said I don't know. I don't know. But that's that's 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.240 a departure from me because I was in the camp 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.280 of this guy could Tom Bradiot like I mean, and 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.600 he still could Tom Bradiot, but if you watched him 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.240 play last year. There's no way you said that's a 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:26.160 guy about to retire. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.280 Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.520 Have a good day. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.960 That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN Senior NBA writer, and I remember 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.440 when he brought this up. It was in the preseason 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.520 about Giannis and the Knicks, and then it kind of just, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.720 I don't know, that flittered away, and then all of 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.440 a sudden it resurfaced, and then you know, Shams is 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.440 talking about he wants out, and next thing you know, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.200 he's playing in the game last night and then he's 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.080 out in the first quarter, gets injured. Now all of 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.720 a sudden trade speculation and which teams could pony up 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.440 for Giannis. But Brian was on that story a few 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.760 months ago. We'll take a break. We'll get to more 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.800 phone calls coming up. 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Check us out 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.720 on YouTube and subscribe. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:57.360 Cody in Texas, Hi, Cody, what's on your mind today? Hey? 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.440 Dan, got a big game tonight Dallas and Detroit. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.199 Wanted to run something by you. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.640 You know, it's Christmas time and there's no cowboys gearing 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.399 the DP store. If the Cowboys win tonight, trade up 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.520 some shirts, says Jerry. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:14.520 Was right. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.439 Uh, we don't have to print up T shirts to 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.160 say some of that, you know. But we were talking 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.720 about the mikeh and thank you for the phone call, Cody. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.760 I know Jerry's getting credit a little more credit, but 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.280 if they don't bring in Quinn Williams, then that defense 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.240 is not as formidable as it's been. We're talking about 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.679 Michael Parsons and the trade they made with Michael Parsons. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.960 I didn't think was a great trade for Dallas, but 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.360 if you get assets from the packers and you can 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.639 use them and then you bring in Quinn Williams. Okay, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.119 now we can assess that trade. And I think Dallas, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.000 let's put it this way, green Bay is going to 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.120 do that trade no matter what. If you said, hey, 0:18:58.200 --> 0:18:59.720 you want to do it again, green Bay is going 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.320 to say yes, and Dallas can say we'll do it 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.280 again because we're going to bring in Quinn Williams. Yes, Yes, Pauling. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.040 The one thing about Quinn Williams, he's way less expensive 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.119 than Michah Parsons. He's eight and a half millions this year, 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.600 He's twenty two million next year and twenty five million 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.560 the next year after that twenty twenty seven, So it's 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.320 half the investment, less than half the investment for a 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.399 pretty high end player who's still in his prime. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.160 Yeah, but they don't have a pass rusher. So he's 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.760 really good at what he's being paid to do. But 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:37.159 Michaeh Parsons is in an elite category. He's going to 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.320 be second for Defensive Player of the Year. He's still 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.520 a great player and he's a difference maker. Quinn Williams 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.359 is one of those guys that you have to watch 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:47.960 the game and you go, man, he's in on a 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.919 lot of these tackles and he kind of clutters up 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.560 the middle. He does that, and he's been great. And 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.640 Dallas is a better than average defense now, and that's 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.240 what we said. If they were better than average, it's 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.359 with that offense that's above average, they would be a 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:08.840 playoff team. So it's no surprise. But Jerry, Jerry fumbled 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.040 the Michaeh Parsons deal because that could have been done 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.280 a while ago, and Jerry let pride and Ego get 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.560 into it and then they it turned out good. It 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.320 turned out well for Dallas, but Green Bay is probably 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.439 thrilled that they have Michael Parsons. Yeah, Pauling. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.000 They also got George Pickens for a third round draft 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.920 pick and a fifth round in twenty twenty seven, which 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:32.679 this year working out fantastic. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:33.680 Yeah. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.919