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Speaker 3: If you're on the East Coast, Happy Thanksgiving. We've crossed

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Speaker 3: over midnight. It's officially Thanksgiving. You can start drinking now.

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Speaker 3: You have full permission. I mean, that's the way that works, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how.

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Speaker 4: There's no white people aren't already drunk at this point.

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Speaker 4: I mean, buddy, blackout Wednesday is a thing. I know

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Speaker 4: that you and your music theater child background don't understand

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Speaker 4: how us, the regular people, the normies, if you will

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Speaker 4: celebrate just generally any reason that we can to win vibe.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, most people are slashed by now. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving. You can start drinking now, what do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Okay, first and foremost of how many years on a

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Speaker 3: tour bus? And do you think you're gonna tell me

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Speaker 3: about drinking good lord, like I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 3: you understand.

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Speaker 4: But drinking within the conventions of normal people. Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: not a normal experience. Oh I rode around on a

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Speaker 4: tour bus with a with a Grammy nominated band.

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Speaker 3: Would we won?

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Speaker 2: We want you, simple child, you sweet summer child.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, where's your Grammary? Show it to me.

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Speaker 4: I want the actual Grammy. I want the actual Grammary,

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Speaker 4: not not some little certificate that says, yeah I want

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Speaker 4: a Grammy, but somebody else got to keep it at

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Speaker 4: their house.

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Speaker 5: No, where's the Grammy?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Thirteen nominations, so I mean that that that's pretty good, right,

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Speaker 3: thirteen nominations pretty good? This is this is what we do.

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Speaker 3: This is what we do. I mean, look, I get it,

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Speaker 3: I get it. You know, we can't all be reporters

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Speaker 3: covering the Titans. Actually most of us could. Most of

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Speaker 3: us could.

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Speaker 5: Want that.

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Speaker 2: Did No.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to practice tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I don't want no, no, no, no, does that team

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Speaker 3: actually practice? Oh no, I'm just throwing shade. Here's the question.

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Speaker 3: Here's the question that the Titans are not a fraud, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: the Titans are exactly who we we know they are.

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Speaker 3: You can't be fraud that the Titans just suck. Like,

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Speaker 3: when you are that level of suck, you're not a fraud.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 3: But there are some teams in the NFL right now

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Speaker 3: that are coming into Thanksgiving and they're gonna suit at

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Speaker 3: the table and they're gonna tell you that they you know,

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Speaker 3: that they found their significant other and that they've got

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Speaker 3: their life in order, and that they're up for a promotion.

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Speaker 3: And everybody sitting at the table knows that they are

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Speaker 3: sitting on a throne of lies. So let's figure out,

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Speaker 3: in honor of the liars at the Thanksgiving table, who

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Speaker 3: the frauds are in the NFL so far this season.

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Speaker 3: I am just throwing all sorts of shades at Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: end in some of these teams. And I will start

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Speaker 3: with the team that we talked about earlier, the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Are they a fraud to you at this point?

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Speaker 4: The Ravens are not a fraud because they are a

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Speaker 4: team that is flawed. Like, I think that you have

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Speaker 4: to consider where the Ravens defense was, how they're managing

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Speaker 4: the situation since the early part of the season, where

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Speaker 4: we're like, this is the worst defense that anybody has

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Speaker 4: that's the thing that that franchise has prided itself on.

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Speaker 4: Now that Lamar Jackson is back in the mix, they're

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Speaker 4: playing a little more balanced football. They still have issues,

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Speaker 4: but I think six and five is appropriate.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: You could say, well, I picked them to win the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Many people did that this past offseason, understandably, so.

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Speaker 4: The Ravens were the number one offense in terms of

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Speaker 4: Their defense can't stop a nosebleed. They're losing by thirty

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Speaker 5: Stroud in the lineup early in the year.

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Speaker 4: So I think if you are talking about relative to

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Speaker 4: them to be. But if you're looking at them right

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Speaker 4: I feel like they're appropriately placed at six and five.

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Speaker 4: They're a division leader, they're talented enough to be, and

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Speaker 4: they should be able to outlast the corpse of Aaron

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Speaker 4: we'll see. But Trey Hendrickson also out in that game.

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Speaker 4: So what are the Bengals are? Rather, what are the

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Speaker 4: best team and a bad division this year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Ravens are. You're right, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: accurate where they are. I think some of the conversations

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Speaker 3: people that just presume that now, like we've seen it

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Speaker 3: where it's like, well, the Ravens are gonna take off

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna win the division. Yes, that is true,

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Speaker 3: because their schedule is soft as sharpman for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the way, right, So they're gonna beat up on

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they're good, right, But to your point,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure they're a fraud. What about Kansas City? Then, Like,

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Speaker 3: are we at a spot where we can call the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs a fraud? Because I'll be honest, buck, like I

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Speaker 3: want this. I want to call the Chiefs a fraud.

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Speaker 3: I want to turn around and say, all right, the

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Speaker 3: don't feel good betting against Patrick Mahomes. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to make a Kansas City. Are they a fraud?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: I put them in the same category as the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you because the things that are a problem

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Speaker 4: for that for them or not, they're not fixed. Because

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Speaker 4: they came back in overtime at home against the Colts.

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Speaker 4: The Colts are a good team. That's a quality opponent

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Speaker 4: that they beat. It's enough to one keep Chiefs Chiefs

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Speaker 4: fans hopes alive and also two to strike fear into

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Speaker 4: the rest of the NFL be like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: they can still do the thing. But can they still

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Speaker 4: do the thing? Or is that just a situation where

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Speaker 4: couldn't run the football with Jonathan Taylor, which has been

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Speaker 4: that the latter is more accurate. I will tell you

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Speaker 4: I think the Seahawks are a fraud. I just saw

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Speaker 4: Seattle's defense is good enough to keep Sam Darnold in it.

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Speaker 4: But I saw Sam Donald not cover himself in glory

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Speaker 4: against the Tennessee Titans, who did not play a good

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Speaker 4: They're a one to ten football team, so you make

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Speaker 4: of that what you will. But I just watched them

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Speaker 4: think he's still the same guy. I think that it's

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Speaker 4: it's enough to say, like I got what Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: Tried to do right.

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Speaker 4: They made a move for a more cost effective option

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Speaker 4: that their head coach, hand picked. Their head coach, is

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Speaker 4: a quarterback developer. He's somebody who is going to continue

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Speaker 4: to believe that organizations ruined players far more than players

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Speaker 4: ruin organizations. So he said, all right, J. J. McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: you're my guy, and we'll let Sam Donald go on

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Speaker 4: to greener pastures and we'll figure it out from there.

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Speaker 4: And for a while, for the now eight win Seahawks team,

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Speaker 4: that's been enough, and he's been objectively good. He has

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Speaker 4: been worth the contract. But these last two weeks, it's

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Speaker 4: just it's signs of the end of last season right

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Speaker 4: where he's facing the Lions and he's under durest from

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Speaker 4: it probably should have been playing at the end of

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Speaker 4: the year, given all the injuries they had at the

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Speaker 4: So all of a sudden, they're the wild card team.

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Speaker 4: They go into the Rams, and the Ram rough them up.

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Speaker 4: Because on any given day, Sam Donald against a pass

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Speaker 3: But I do think two things can be true to

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Speaker 3: your point, I'll buy what you're selling. If we want

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Speaker 3: to sell. I still don't think the Vikings let him

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Speaker 3: way to franchise him and keep him. And that's where

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Speaker 3: I get a little bit nervous. As I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: you know, I understand wanting some level of I understand

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Speaker 3: remind everybody according to true media and make what you

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Speaker 3: will on this. But EPA per dropback is a big

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Speaker 3: number for quarterback efficiency all times since two thousand. He

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Speaker 3: ranks currently eight hundred and fifty one out of eight

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Speaker 3: the only quarterback McCarthy does. The only quarterback worse since

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Speaker 3: the year two thousand was JaMarcus Russell. So I say

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Speaker 3: all of that to say that JJ McCarthy right now,

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Speaker 3: statistically in one major metric is JaMarcus Russell. And when

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Speaker 3: you look at that level of disaster, two things can

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Speaker 3: be true. Sam Donald melted down. Sam Donald may not

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Speaker 3: be a world saver. We'll see for Seattle. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that I'm ready to jump off the train entirely,

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Speaker 3: but currently as we sit right now, we've had very

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Speaker 3: little to JJ McCarthy. When we've had him, it's been

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Speaker 3: tragically bad. So I don't think that there's any like

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Speaker 3: The Vikings put themselves in a situation where they have

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Speaker 3: a that was built to try and contempt for Super

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Speaker 3: Bowls right now, and they risked everything on their savants

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Speaker 3: the met the guy that they need him to be

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Speaker 3: able to get through with JJ McCarthy, this thing's broken.

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Speaker 3: So I hear you, But I also just want to

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Speaker 3: at least throw the Vikings under the bus for letting

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Speaker 3: We'll give you some more frauds coming up next to these.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: We got plenty of NFL teams out here that are

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize how much I needed Queen in my

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Speaker 3: Oh feels so good. Some of these contenders need to

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Speaker 4: Because their offense was really good and they drafted a

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Speaker 4: And for the first part of the season I was right.

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Speaker 4: who has played more football, but still is this wildly

437
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Speaker 4: inconsistent or more wildly inconsistent than those two players, because

438
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Speaker 4: Lawrence will throw an interception that makes just absolutely, absolutely

439
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Speaker 4: no damn sense the way that he did this weekend,

440
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Speaker 4: and they're still good enough to win games. I think

441
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Speaker 4: Liam Cohen has done a very impressive job in his

442
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Speaker 4: first year. But I don't know if you can't look

443
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Speaker 4: at the Jags and say, in the same way that

444
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Speaker 4: I was kind of picking on the Seahawks earlier, I

445
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Speaker 4: feel more that way about Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Jacksonville full on fraud. I'm all in on

447
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Speaker 3: just loudly proclaiming the Jags as a fraud. They beat

448
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Speaker 3: the Raiders. That's an important part of this context, because

449
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: that that game came down to a two point conversion

450
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Speaker 3: at the end. That's in a spot where they lost

451
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Speaker 3: three out of four. They could have lost four out

452
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Speaker 3: of four depending on how that game had gone out.

453
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Speaker 3: And then they go whip the snot out of the Chargers,

454
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Speaker 3: and we say oh, they're okay, and then against Arizona

455
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Speaker 3: it didn't really look all that great. Now they get

456
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Speaker 3: Tennessee this weekend, they still have the Jets on the schedule,

457
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Speaker 3: and then they get the Titans again in week eighteen.

458
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Speaker 3: So it's pretty easy for me to find three games

459
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Speaker 3: where they will be heavily favored. And that's pretty easy

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Speaker 3: to see here. I still don't think they're a very

461
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Speaker 3: good football team. And to your point, as I've said

462
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Speaker 3: many times, I was standing on the field covering Trevor

463
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Speaker 3: Lawrence winning a national tar, playing for National Championship, winning

464
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Speaker 3: national championship, when the conversation was, oh, man, he should

465
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Speaker 3: sue the NFL to change the rules so that he

466
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Speaker 3: can get into the draft after his fresh meal. He's

467
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Speaker 3: going to be the next John Elway. That's where we

468
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Speaker 3: were with there, and the Jags have done everything they

469
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Speaker 3: can to ruin the guy. But like at this point now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Liam Cohen is supposed to be a great

471
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Speaker 3: offensive mind, and what we've seen is the Jags team

472
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Speaker 3: that's really defined by their defense. Their defense's ability to

473
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Speaker 3: turn the ball over and force turnovers, I should say,

474
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Speaker 3: has been a huge part of how they won football games.

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Speaker 3: The Jags are winning games, but there's a difference between

476
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Speaker 3: being a playoff team and being a good team. People

477
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Speaker 3: all the time like, you can make the playoffs when

478
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Speaker 3: because it just went your way, and then the next

479
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Speaker 3: year when all of a sudden your team sucks again.

480
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Speaker 3: In fans are like, what happened? Well, the answer is,

481
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: you weren't really good last year. It's just you had

482
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Speaker 3: one of those years where the football gods shined on you.

483
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Speaker 3: I think that's what happened to what's happening to the Jags.

484
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Speaker 3: I don't think sustainably right now. They're built to be

485
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Speaker 3: a good football team. I think they've just gotten away

486
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Speaker 3: with with finding a way to win this year, which

487
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 3: is fine, fine, but I mean, look at some of

488
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Speaker 3: these wins, like a close win over Houston earlier in

489
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Speaker 3: the year when Houston's defense was still figuring itself out,

490
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Speaker 3: a close win over San Francisco, a close win over

491
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Speaker 3: Kansas City, a close win over the Raiders, a close

492
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Speaker 3: win over the Chargers. The Jags are living, breathing, eating

493
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Speaker 3: example of what we have every year in the NFL.

494
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Speaker 3: A team that just three or four of these games

495
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Speaker 3: are like, how the hell they win them? There are

496
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Speaker 3: three or four plays away from being a much different

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Speaker 3: football team.

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Speaker 4: You want to talk about the inverse of that, the

499
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Speaker 4: football gods are not shining on the Los Angeles Chargers, Man,

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Speaker 4: I just don't.

501
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Speaker 3: It's gross.

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Speaker 4: Well, it sucks because like do this every year. I

503
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Speaker 4: feel like I feel like the Chargers lead the league

504
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: in team that you have most preseason hope or excitement

505
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: for that never actually pans out, and it really doesn't

506
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Speaker 4: matter who's even playing quarterback. I was like this with

507
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Speaker 4: Rivers and some of those Chargers teams. I feel like

508
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Speaker 4: this with Herbert, and the thing that just is so

509
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: criminal is that you're getting the Justin Herbert year for

510
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: the first third of the season and then both of

511
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: his starting tackles go down. Their offensive line is awful, awful,

512
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Speaker 4: and the guy has I mean, you're down to how

513
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 4: many running backs have they lost due to injury? Najie Harris,

514
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Speaker 4: Amari and Hampton. I believe there was another running back

515
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Speaker 4: that was missing some time. I don't want to speak

516
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Speaker 4: out of turn, but either way, and teams have to

517
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: deal with reserves all across the board. We talked about

518
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 4: teams that we are believing in right now. Allah the Colts,

519
00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: who are very much who are very much both and

520
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: healthy at this point in time. I don't know that

521
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: the Chargers aren't a better team than the vast majority

522
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Speaker 4: of the field if they're healthy, But the fact of

523
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Speaker 4: the matter is they're simply not. And it's to the

524
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Speaker 4: detriment of Justin Herbert because he cannot operate behind this offense.

525
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Speaker 4: He cannot operate at a high enough level to be

526
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Speaker 4: truly feared in the landscape of the NFL. Behind this

527
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Speaker 4: offensive line.

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Speaker 3: There they are just they are awful, and at some

529
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Speaker 3: point you just got to look at the entire training

530
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Speaker 3: system recovery. There's gotta be something they can look at

531
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Speaker 3: the pinpoint, because you're right, I don't remember the last

532
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Speaker 3: time I saw an organization that just every year loses

533
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Speaker 3: more stars and it's just stars every like it's part

534
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: of it. I feel like I'm Charlie Brown running after

535
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: the football and then it gets moved at the last

536
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: second every year. With the Chargers, they're wildly talented, at

537
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Speaker 3: least on paper. But we don't play the video game

538
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: version of this, like I'm Madden. You should be forced

539
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: to play the Chargers without five random starters every week

540
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Speaker 3: because that's about what it's really like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I disagree with the idea that it's like

542
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: the training staff, right, so many of these because I

543
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 4: went through this a couple of years ago with with

544
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Speaker 4: vrabel as the Titans coach. Like people would pin the

545
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Speaker 4: rash amount of injuries that the Titans were sustaining on

546
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Speaker 4: a year end, year out basis on the strength and

547
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Speaker 4: conditioning staff, or does Mike Frable coach too hard at

548
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: practice or all these different things. But then you look

549
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: at the percentage of the injuries that are happening like

550
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: in games, right, not like a practice a Wednesday practice injury,

551
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Speaker 4: or you know, somebody screwed something up on a Saturday walkthrough,

552
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Speaker 4: or I mean the Chargers, do we not wait, the

553
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Speaker 4: Chargers are maybe a bad example about this, asked Tyrod Taylor.

554
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Speaker 4: Didn't they have like a punctured lung because of their

555
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: team doctor, Yeah, a couple of years ago. So maybe

556
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Speaker 4: maybe the Chargers are not the hill that I want

557
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Speaker 4: to die on there defending a strength and conditioning staff

558
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Speaker 4: or a training staff that way, medical staff that way.

559
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Speaker 4: But I do think if you look at the percentage

560
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Speaker 4: of injuries that are happening in game, like What are

561
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Speaker 4: they going to do about Najie Harris shooting himself in

562
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Speaker 4: the eye with a firecracker? You know, it's just it's

563
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Speaker 4: a lot of this is just it. It's both football

564
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Speaker 4: and then bad luck pounding it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is no doubt, and maybe there is no

566
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Speaker 3: connective threat, but it's at least worth exploring. Sure speaking,

567
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Speaker 3: let's explore what's going on right now across the landscape

568
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Speaker 3: of all scores, months of belgios. What have we got?

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Speaker 7: All right, guys, We've got one game still going on

570
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Speaker 7: in the NBA Cup, and it's been an entertaining one.

571
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Speaker 7: Out least it's the Rockets and the Warriors. No Kevin

572
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 7: Durant in this one, but it has been a fun game.

573
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Speaker 7: Right now, Houston is up ninety five to ninety one.

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Speaker 7: They're coming down to the final two minutes. Here Jimmy Butler,

575
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Speaker 7: he's got nineteen points. Reach Shepherd for Houston has twenty

576
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 7: eight points and nine rebounds. But things are getting chippy

577
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Speaker 7: in these final two minutes. These Spurs de feed of

578
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 7: the Trailblazers one fifteen to one oh two. Deer in

579
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Speaker 7: Fox thirty seven points. Suns beat the Kings one twelve

580
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 7: to one hundred, and the Grizzlies took down the Pelicans

581
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 7: in overtime one thirty three to one twenty eight. But

582
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Speaker 7: the thunder are off to a historic start. The one

583
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Speaker 7: of only five teams in NBA history to start the

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Speaker 7: season eighteen and one are better. They defeated the Timberwolves

585
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Speaker 7: already one thirteen to one oh five.

586
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Speaker 3: Shay Gildess Alexander.

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Speaker 7: Forty points in the win, and the Knicks crush The

588
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Speaker 7: Hornets won twenty nine to one oh one. Celtics snapped

589
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Speaker 7: the pistons thirteen game winning streak coming out on top

590
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Speaker 7: today went seventeen to one fourteen, where Jaylen Brown had

591
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Speaker 7: a double double thirty three points and ten rebounds. Other

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Speaker 7: NBA news, Anthony Davis of the Dallas Mavericks return to

593
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Speaker 7: practice today. He could play against the Lakers this Friday

594
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Speaker 7: after missing fourteen games with a strained left calf. When

595
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Speaker 7: it comes to the NFL, well on the East Coast,

596
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 7: it's Thursday, so happy Thanksgiving if you're celebrating, and there's

597
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 7: three games on the Thursday docket, Packers and Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys, Bengals, Ravens.

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Speaker 7: Joe Burrow is expected to start for the Bengals. Running

599
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 7: back Isaiah Pacheco is expected to play for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 7: As for Panthers safety Trevon Morig, his appeal of the

601
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Speaker 7: one game suspension for unsportsmanlike conduct was denied, so he's

602
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Speaker 7: missing Sunday's game against the Rams. He's also losing sixty

603
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Speaker 7: five thousand dollars in wages. When it comes to the NHL,

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Speaker 7: the Senators and the Golden Knights are tied at three

605
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Speaker 7: apiece coming down to the final three four minutes in

606
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Speaker 7: the third period, and the Connects over the Ducks right

607
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Speaker 7: now five to four. Also super late coming down to

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Speaker 7: the final seconds in the third period. But give it

609
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Speaker 7: up to the Avalanche because they've won ten in a row.

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Speaker 7: They shut out the Shark six zero earlier today and

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Speaker 7: the Stars defeated the crack In three to two. Canadians

612
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Speaker 7: over the Mammoth four to three. Back to you guys,

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Speaker 7: he's buck rising. I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with the

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Speaker 3: the iHeart app, so it will always pop up at

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Speaker 3: the top of your screen. Manzi just gave you some

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Speaker 3: score updates, including the NBA Cup. Can we just agree

625
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Speaker 3: that that's the stupidest thing, Like, there is just nothing

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Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. It's like, Okay, we're gonna play a

627
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Speaker 3: series of games in the middle of the NBAC and

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Speaker 3: that will count towards a random cup and the winner

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Speaker 3: of it, every player on that team will get you

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Speaker 3: know whatever, it's five hundred and thirty thousand dollars or something.

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Speaker 3: We're going to financially incentivize why people should care, but

632
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Speaker 3: we're gonna make the courts look different, so you know

633
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Speaker 3: it's a cup game, Like, just just kick me in

634
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Speaker 3: the no no places instead of pretending that you think

635
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Speaker 3: I'm that stupid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I am completely unmoved by this. And

637
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Speaker 4: maybe it's because I'm just I'm not in NBA mode yet.

638
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm not even close. I don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that that's not a blanket statement for the

640
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: rest of the country, though I do feel like when

641
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Speaker 4: we're in the full throws of playoff seating in the

642
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Speaker 4: NFL and college football playoff stuff being decided on a

643
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Speaker 4: week by week basis as we wrap up the regular season,

644
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: there even college basketball to me, Fitzie is more compelling

645
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: than the NBA.

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Speaker 5: It's just there.

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Speaker 4: You're never going to get me interested. And maybe part

648
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Speaker 4: of this is because my team is awful. The Pacers

649
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: are awful, so bad this year, and it's not just

650
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Speaker 4: because Tyre's Halliburton is out and going to miss the

651
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Speaker 4: remainder of the season. They are a total mess. And

652
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Speaker 4: even the team locally that we might pay attention to,

653
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: though I'm in Nashville and Nashville that there's just no

654
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: level of Grizzly's discourse here whatsoever. They could not care

655
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: less about what's going on in Memphis. But even if

656
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: I wanted to, you know, check in on Memphis. Every

657
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: time I look up, John Moran is doing something else

658
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: stupid and it just makes me upset. Just leave Klay

659
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: Thompson alone. Why are you barking at him? From the

660
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: sidelines when you're not participating, and when you are on

661
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: the court, you're still not a good basketball team.

662
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

663
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Speaker 4: I'm not there with the NBA yet. I get what

664
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Speaker 4: they're trying to do. I just don't think it's not,

665
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: at least for me, it's not having the intended effect.

666
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: This NBA Cup.

667
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Speaker 3: Now, all it does is remind everybody that they're having

668
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Speaker 3: to find ways to make people give a damn about

669
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: their product in the regular season. And that's a problem

670
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 3: if you are just continually And this is something that

671
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: you know, I've talked Tom Haberstrow about a few times

672
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: on Yahoo Sports Daily, because there is this concept when

673
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: you look at some of the advanced analytics about injuries.

674
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: It shows that something that Steve Kurtz has talked about

675
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: too is pace of play and how all of this together.

676
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: He recently, in one of the postgame press conferences, pointed

677
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: out the fact that they had played whatever it was,

678
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: seventeen games in twenty nine days over thirteen cities, and

679
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: as of it was about a week ago, and as

680
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: of that point, he pointed out that they had had

681
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: four practices all season. Because the schedule has been so difficult.

682
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: They haven't been able to just practice as a basketball team.

683
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: And this is where I just continue to remind everybody

684
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: that when you have this much inventory, when you have

685
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: so much inventory that you have to paint the court

686
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: in some sort of a stupid way, which Luca pointed

687
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: out feels slick and unsafe. But about me on all

688
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: that you have to convince people to watch your regular

689
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: season products. Because you have too much of it, then

690
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: you need to reduce it. And this is where everybody

691
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: will say nobody wants to take less money. I would argue,

692
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: as is smart people who pointed out to me when

693
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: I've made that argument, that having less inventory will actually

694
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: make the inventory you have more valuable, which means, over

695
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: the course of it, you might not actually have to

696
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: take the pay cut that so many people perceive out

697
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: of the fear of just eliminating NBA games. This season

698
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: is too long, It's just it is. It's impossible for

699
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: casuals to give a damn about it right now, and

700
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: even for diehards. If you have to paint the court

701
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: and tell everybody, no, no, no, pay attention to this one.

702
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: It's an NBA Cup care And if you have to

703
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: plead with everybody to pay attention to your regular season products.

704
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Then your regular season product is broken. So every time

705
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: I hear this, it's like, oh, well, we wanted to

706
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: qualifying Group B. Nobody gives a damn Literally, nobody gives

707
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: a damn what what? What? You don't like my Curmit

708
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: the Frog.

709
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: NBA concused as to why Kermit is the is the

710
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: voice of NBA punditry and your Twitter punch somehow.

711
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: I just why not, Kermit? I mean, would you be

712
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 3: more comfortable if I did miss Piggy?

713
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 5: Well?

714
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: There, oh god, so many things to say, so little time.

715
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: Uh look, as broken as that is, and as broken

716
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: as I think the NBA Cup is, there's one thing

717
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: that is happening right now in college basketball that's actually brilliant.

718
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: We'll tell you about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm

719
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: Jason fitzber hanging out with you on Fox Sports Radio.

720
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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

721
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Speaker 2: Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

722
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Speaker 2: pm Pacific.

723
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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitz bucking Fits hanging out

724
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: with you. I'm Fox Sports Radio college basketball doing something

725
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: really interesting that seems to be catching everybody's attention and

726
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: it might be a little bit of a peek into

727
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: something for the future of all college athletics. As we

728
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: have the Players Era Tournament going on right now in

729
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Las Vegas. And what's interesting about this is every team

730
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Speaker 3: that has chosen to compete in this tournament is getting

731
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: a million dollars, and then the winners of the tournament

732
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: get a varying amount depending all the way up to

733
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Speaker 3: the overall winner of the entire tournament getting a million dollars.

734
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Speaker 3: An addition to that million dollars all going to NIL money,

735
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: all going to NIL funds and buck It's something that's

736
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Speaker 3: interesting because for years most of us have watched the

737
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: Maui Invitational, or we watch whatever the Atlantis down to

738
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: the Bahamas, like we watch these things. Those tournaments now

739
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: seem to be falling by the wayside, and major brands

740
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: are choosing instead to participate in Vegas because there's cash

741
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: money on the line. And when we start talking about

742
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: the future of college sports, I think it's important also

743
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: acknowledge that any revenue stream teams can find where they

744
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: get a cut of something is going to be an incentive.

745
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: We just talked about the NBA Cup and why that's difficult,

746
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, to find meaning to And look, I get

747
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: that the players are making half a million dollars if

748
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: they win it, and that's not a small amount of money,

749
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Speaker 3: but it's hard even for that to cut through for

750
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: most people. When you see these programs choosing to com

751
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: to participate in this tournament where there's nil money on

752
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: the line, it makes me wonder if this isn't really

753
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: going to end up being the future of how most

754
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: of these teams choose to partake in any sort of

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00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: non conference activity.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is kind of something that I was

757
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: always curious about, like with revenue sharing specifically in the

758
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: NIL era, because you were going to see basketball programs.

759
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say take the biggest hit on that, but

760
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 4: we understand what percentage of revenue sharing is going to

761
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: go to football versus basketball, and how basketball programs are

762
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: going to have to make up that gap, and would

763
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Speaker 4: it just turn into another situation where basketball coaches and

764
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: people on behalf of basketball programs are doing deals under

765
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Speaker 4: the table because they can't play by the rules to

766
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Speaker 4: get the kind of players that they want to get.

767
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Speaker 4: By the way, this is actively going on Alabama is

768
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: up by twenty on Maryland right now, if you guys

769
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: are still watching this thing on TNT at this point

770
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: in time, I like it conceptually to make up some

771
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: of the gaps for some of these programs in NIL. Now,

772
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: if the biggest programs end up winning the most amount

773
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: of money and the rich get richer as a result,

774
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: does it really help the state of the sport?

775
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 5: Probably not.

776
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: And this was reporting done by Myron Medcalf at ESPN

777
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: earlier today where basically twenty four hours after the organizers

778
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: of this thing were promising, or we're saying, steadfastly that

779
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: they were going to stick to the current setup, which.

780
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Speaker 5: Is it's a set.

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00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: It's called a festival, right, so it's not a tournament

782
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: because it doesn't have a bracket. I don't like the

783
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: idea that it doesn't have a bracket. I brought this

784
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 4: up earlier in the show, not just because I pay

785
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: close attention to Tennessee sports as somebody who lives in

786
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: the state of Tennessee, but I didn't like the idea

787
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Speaker 4: that Tennessee, for example, could smash Rutgers through the surface

788
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: of the sun then go and beat Houston as fun

789
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: a basketball game as I've watched all year and end

790
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: up in the third place game against Kansas simply by

791
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: nature of point differential. That didn't make sense to me,

792
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: but apparently the CEO, his name is seth Bergen or

793
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: seth Berger, told organizers that they will consider a new

794
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: format when next year's field expands to thirty two teams.

795
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Speaker 4: They have to put in a bracket. That's just simply

796
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Speaker 4: what this is going to have to be.

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Speaker 3: Well, and at some point they had to They should

798
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: have anticipated that things get a little dicey. You can

799
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Speaker 3: bring everybody out to Vegas and have a grand old

800
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: time until you see a bunch of results that then

801
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: suddenly puts you in a bit of a kirkin a

802
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: little pickle, right, because now, all of a sudden, when

803
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: you've got an extra million dollars of nil out there, man,

804
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: we're not just having fun. Like this isn't just a

805
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: fun opportunity for exposure for the program. This is a

806
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: million dollars of nil, and that nil money is so key.

807
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: Like that's the one difference I think that we need

808
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: to acknowledge at some point with building your college basketball

809
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: pro versus building your college football program. There are certainly

810
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 3: players in college football right now that are requiring over

811
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: five million dollars to come play, right, So the numbers

812
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: are astronomical in college football. They are to some their

813
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: reports that ab aj Debonca is making anywhere from five

814
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: to seven million dollars to play for BYU this year.

815
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: So I've seen a lot of that. But the reality

816
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: of it is, Buck, you got fifteen to twenty million dollars,

817
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: you can put together a basketball roster, right, So a

818
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: one million dollars you sold.

819
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Speaker 5: Problem.

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00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: Right, They're paying twenty two this year for their basketball team.

821
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Speaker 4: And Mark Pope looks like he's an absolute hell.

822
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: But if you want to win in college basketball, all

823
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: you got to do is spend the money. So these

824
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: opportunities to take a little extra that broadcasting cash home

825
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: from these these tournaments, from these whatever we want to

826
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: call them, from these events, festival from festivals, they become

827
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: particularly important because that million dollars makes a big difference

828
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Speaker 3: in next year's recruiting class.

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, And as somebody who is like I, Indiana

830
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: football is the number two team in the country. They've

831
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Speaker 4: been the number two team in the country for a

832
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: considerable amount of time. At this point, it's almost like

833
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: it's normal. I, as an Indiana lum do not care

834
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Speaker 4: about that at all because I want my basketball team

835
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Speaker 4: to be good and I would trade the number two

836
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: team in the country and football in a heartbeat for

837
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Speaker 4: a competent basketball team.

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Speaker 5: So if you're.

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Speaker 4: Trying, and if you are somebody who values one program

840
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: over the other or prioritizes one program over the other,

841
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: you're looking around and being like, Yes, more opportunities to

842
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: fatten my war chest to go out there and put

843
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: together the best possible version of a national championship contender. Yeah.

844
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Speaker 3: That's the interesting part about it is that if you

845
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: want in the modern college football and basketball landscape, if

846
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: you want to be great, all you got to do

847
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: is pay for it. All Right, We're going to break

848
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: down some of the biggest games in the NFL coming

849
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Speaker 3: up this weekend. We'll do that next on Fox Sports Radio.