Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous to always start because you always messed
Speaker 1: up with do we should we have like a professional
Speaker 1: start or should we just say hey, guys, like to
Speaker 1: do I mean? Or maybe this is our thing? Maybe
Speaker 1: this is our start? Every time is an awkward start. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Wine Down with Jana and Mike.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Mike, and we're New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 1: Oh my good man, what insane? You guys? We are floored.
Speaker 1: We don't even really have the words. When we found
Speaker 1: out the other day, Mike and I were just like,
Speaker 1: we went to dinner and we're like, wait what what?
Speaker 1: Like I would have never imagined no, never like. So
Speaker 1: just thank you guys for all your support for just
Speaker 1: you know. I wrote this on Instagram post the other day.
Speaker 1: I said it was, um, it was scary because I'm like,
Speaker 1: who are we? Like, we're not authors? Now we are
Speaker 1: and no one can say otherwise, but do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Now, I'm like, I'm afraid it's not
Speaker 1: going to be enough because we're not like a you know,
Speaker 1: Glenn and Doyle or Emily Giffen the people that I
Speaker 1: look up to as authors. I'm like, what if we
Speaker 1: people are like they suck? And you know, so I
Speaker 1: was so afraid that. I mean, I know, you're an
Speaker 1: amazing writer and I always encouraged you, but it was
Speaker 1: just scary. I'm like, you know, who are we to
Speaker 1: like put out a book? And so I was scared
Speaker 1: of the rejection. But I feel like, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that we got the title of New York
Speaker 1: Times bestseller, but I feel like the win and the
Speaker 1: victory has been from all the dams and comments that
Speaker 1: we've gotten. Oh yeah, I mean even if we didn't
Speaker 1: get it. Sure, we set out personal goals and we
Speaker 1: put our goals very high and we achieved it, which
Speaker 1: was awesome. But that's not what you know dates us.
Speaker 1: That's not what you know encourages us on why this
Speaker 1: is a good thing to do. It's like Jenna said,
Speaker 1: it's all the d m s. It's all the messages
Speaker 1: and and everything and support that we've gotten, you know,
Speaker 1: from this adventure. Now the ticket is so we're not
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Speaker 1: for just reaching out to us and for telling your friends.
Speaker 1: We just we hope this book. We we hoped that
Speaker 1: this book touched y'all and helped you and made you
Speaker 1: not feel alone and made you laugh and made you cry.
Speaker 1: And again, like we said, it's amazing to be called
Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling authors. But the win is that
Speaker 1: y'all received it, received it and gave us a gave
Speaker 1: us a home to feel safe, good fight to us.
Speaker 1: Pass it on to your friends. No, no, but just
Speaker 1: for if you guys got something out of the book,
Speaker 1: you know, pass it on to others. So you know,
Speaker 1: we want we want people to a massive people to
Speaker 1: be um, you know, helped from this book. If possible,
Speaker 1: and can grow from our misery, that would be a
Speaker 1: amazing All right, well we're gonna take a break. And
Speaker 1: then Mike said he have a topic wants to talk
Speaker 1: about something. I have no idea what it is, so staging. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get to Mike's topic. Um, but we
Speaker 1: just want to tease that we have Iron Zering coming
Speaker 1: on the show, um from Nano too, and oh he's
Speaker 1: got a new show coming out. We're really excited to
Speaker 1: talk to him. But first, Mike, what's the topic you
Speaker 1: want to talk about? All right? We don't get political often,
Speaker 1: and we watched the debates their night. People are laughing.
Speaker 1: They're like, look, he's too babbling it. It's like, guess, um,
Speaker 1: but what that whole watching the debates just made me
Speaker 1: think of Okay, you know, because every campaign runs on
Speaker 1: a certain um several messages, but usually there's one or
Speaker 1: two things that like, this is what they're gonna change.
Speaker 1: They're gonna reduce taxes, they're gonna care about the environment,
Speaker 1: they're gonna whatever. And so my question, we have our
Speaker 1: good friend Catherine Onto that's going to join us because
Speaker 1: she loves everything politics, which this topic scares me on
Speaker 1: so many levels because I feel like we can't have
Speaker 1: opposing um, what's the word, like, we we can't have
Speaker 1: different sides without conflict. What do you mean? Well? I
Speaker 1: mean like let's say you're a Republican and I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 1: I feel like we can't say that without getting crap
Speaker 1: or someone's upset or they're angry and they want to
Speaker 1: push and like why would you, you know, vote for
Speaker 1: this person that's stupid or why would you It's like
Speaker 1: we can't have our own Yeah, we can't have our
Speaker 1: different opinions without just and so, but it stinks that
Speaker 1: you can't say who you want to vote for because
Speaker 1: you're gonna get trampled if you do one way or
Speaker 1: the other. I mean, Catherine, she's also my you know,
Speaker 1: our our manager and you know day to day, and
Speaker 1: she's like, it's a suicide. Yeah, you really can't do
Speaker 1: it right now. Unfortunately, it's sad. It's very volatile right
Speaker 1: now though you get. I mean, it's always been a
Speaker 1: taboo subject, and it's always kind of been one of
Speaker 1: those like be careful if you touch it, because you'll
Speaker 1: piss off half the country. But now, more than ever,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, like don't touch it, but you
Speaker 1: get for not touching it, excuse my language. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing. If you don't post stuff for certain things,
Speaker 1: then you get crap from the other side. So it's
Speaker 1: it's really kind of a lose lose, I feel like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, though, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is I've never voted before, but I I am Michael,
Speaker 1: and I both registered to vote, and I think the
Speaker 1: most important thing is no matter who you're voting for,
Speaker 1: just vote because your vote does matter. And I'm now
Speaker 1: so excited to vote. I've never been more excited in
Speaker 1: my life. Let me ask you a question on that
Speaker 1: before I get on my topic, because I've always been
Speaker 1: this is the first dame voting, because this is the
Speaker 1: most I paid attention to it. Right in the past,
Speaker 1: I've chosen not to just out of my own personal interests.
Speaker 1: I wasn't interested. And then I always grew up in
Speaker 1: a house where like politics was when the family get
Speaker 1: togethers got ugly because like parents and uncles and aunts
Speaker 1: started yelling and talking over each other, and as a kid,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want any part of this. So
Speaker 1: I just kind of stayed away from politics. So my
Speaker 1: question is, would you rather somebody vote just to vote,
Speaker 1: or if they're uneducated, not through their vote in the ring?
Speaker 1: So good question. Well, just let me just say two things.
Speaker 1: What's interesting on my side growing up, I remember sitting
Speaker 1: at the dinner table with my mom and my dad
Speaker 1: and it was elections, and I was like, who are
Speaker 1: you guys voting for? And they would not tell each
Speaker 1: other who they were voting for. So I've never known
Speaker 1: what side my mom or my dad was on. I've
Speaker 1: never known. Is that like in your family too, because
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about politics and religion, Like you don't
Speaker 1: talk about politics and religion. That's what we were how
Speaker 1: we were brought up. Like that's just like those subjects
Speaker 1: you stay away from. So that was oh, that was
Speaker 1: a thing for sure, So it wasn't like still probably
Speaker 1: couldn't tell how my parents would vote. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just so interesting when you said that, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: we I be like, mom, are you voting for? You
Speaker 1: know what was that? Al Bush or al Gore or
Speaker 1: whoever it was? And you know, oh, my dad loved
Speaker 1: Ross Parro because he's always the impersonate Ross Parrot um.
Speaker 1: But like that's as far as I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: besides my dad like doing impersonations. But um, so to
Speaker 1: go to your question, you know, I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of things going around lately, and again I don't want
Speaker 1: to get political because I think people don't like if
Speaker 1: we go political. But they say, even the Democrats will say,
Speaker 1: or they've said, and again I'm not saying which side
Speaker 1: I'm on, but they have said that don't vote for
Speaker 1: the candidate, vote for the issues. So well, which is
Speaker 1: which is why that's a that's a principle that goes back,
Speaker 1: you know, decades and hundreds of years really because that's
Speaker 1: why people identify as one or the other, because even
Speaker 1: if they don't like the candidate, you know, it's either
Speaker 1: the lesser two evils or even probably four years ago
Speaker 1: when Trump and Hillary both of them seemed like terrible candidates,
Speaker 1: so they so both Democrats probably voted for Hillary and
Speaker 1: Republicans probably voted for Trump. So I think to answer
Speaker 1: your question, I think people like, if they have, you know,
Speaker 1: if they feel strongly about this way, they're going to
Speaker 1: vote Democrat regardless of the candidate. But if they don't know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm saying. But I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like they might know enough. But again, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I never did. Maybe I didn't feel like.
Speaker 1: I don't think I felt like my vote counted. I
Speaker 1: don't know, cat, what do you think. I think it's hard.
Speaker 1: I think I would rather to answer your question, I
Speaker 1: think I would rather people vote UM because I think
Speaker 1: it kind of takes away your ability to and I
Speaker 1: there's been several years I haven't times I haven't voted,
Speaker 1: but I kind of kind of gives it takes away
Speaker 1: your ability to bitch about everything, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: it kind of like if you didn't cast your vote,
Speaker 1: you kind of can't complain kind of um. But the
Speaker 1: whole voting for the issue versus I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's like when you're more in the middle,
Speaker 1: then you're kind of voting for candidate. But if you're
Speaker 1: a Democrat, you're voting democrat. If you're a Republican, you're
Speaker 1: voting Republican. It doesn't matter whether you like the candidate
Speaker 1: or not. And can we just be nice about it? Like,
Speaker 1: can we not just cast our own? I mean, but
Speaker 1: I guess that is why you don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but why why can't we have a
Speaker 1: healthy debate? And honestly, I was so disappointed that debate
Speaker 1: because I wanted to understand both sides. I truly was like, like,
Speaker 1: sway me one way or the other, you know, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear anything. It is terrible debate, but it's
Speaker 1: entertaining television for the thirty minutes that we watched it,
Speaker 1: and we're like, we can't take this anymore. Shut up, man,
Speaker 1: Come on, men, just shut up man, I will say
Speaker 1: when I've asked this question before. You know, people, I
Speaker 1: remember my grandfather asked him me years ago, why why
Speaker 1: did you vote Mike? So when I'm on Educi, I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you because he was in he was a
Speaker 1: marine marine. Yeah, So I'm just curiously. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have to ask him, um, but you know, i'd say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm educated, so I don't want to just vote just
Speaker 1: a vote, and you called me out a little bit.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, it's your kind of civil duty
Speaker 1: to be educated as a citizen of this country. I
Speaker 1: was like, touche, fair enough, you know. So I still
Speaker 1: didn't vote after that, I didn't educate myself sagrams. But
Speaker 1: now I'm taking more of an interest to it, I
Speaker 1: think to having kids and finally growing up a little bit,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll say start listening to politics. But back
Speaker 1: to my original topping question, I will just say, though,
Speaker 1: to end to end that little thing, just vote and
Speaker 1: you that is I'm super excited, And I like such
Speaker 1: a hypocrite for saying that since I've never voted before,
Speaker 1: but I'm so excited to register vote and be nice everyone.
Speaker 1: Watch out for Jan's Instagram post. I'm so excited. I've
Speaker 1: never done able to do that, to have the sticker
Speaker 1: and like say I voted. Anyways, So the topic is,
Speaker 1: if you were a presidential candidate, what would be your
Speaker 1: UM platform issue? Like, what would be that thing that
Speaker 1: you stand behind the most that's like you're just driving
Speaker 1: home day after day. So can I just have a
Speaker 1: SCOREL moment for a second. Sure. This brings me back
Speaker 1: to middle school because I ran for president and I
Speaker 1: was like, I remember the drawing, I remember the big
Speaker 1: poster board, and I was like, We're going to get
Speaker 1: a swimming pool in our cafeteria and we all get
Speaker 1: fretty ice cream and pizza every day. Um. I didn't win,
Speaker 1: sadly because we couldn't get a swimming pool in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of that. Um, I have to
Speaker 1: think about that. You you're start with mine, I do
Speaker 1: okay for me, just my personal interests and belief would
Speaker 1: be especially after the way would be all around schools,
Speaker 1: so you know, finding funding for teachers salaries so we
Speaker 1: can get the best teachers, so we can get encourage
Speaker 1: more teachers to work somewhere, so you know, schools can
Speaker 1: have the resources they need from the schools and the
Speaker 1: suburbs to the inner city schools, just we can supply
Speaker 1: them with what they need with teachers. While you're doing
Speaker 1: this right now, you have like the presidential like you
Speaker 1: got them minds like the hand, the back, the back
Speaker 1: hand to the Palm America is really going to trust
Speaker 1: you get it done. Um, so yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: my thing. It's just like security around schools because of
Speaker 1: school shooting stuff in the past, would be having teachers
Speaker 1: being able to pay them. So we encourage more young
Speaker 1: people to become to teers. So it's like a career
Speaker 1: that people. You know this, A lot of teachers want
Speaker 1: to become teachers, but we encourage even more to become
Speaker 1: teachers because financially it's beneficial and it should be as
Speaker 1: we all we've all learned, we all have a greater
Speaker 1: appreciation for teachers after So mine would be based all
Speaker 1: around schools in our future. I like that since our
Speaker 1: kids are a future. Katherine, do you have a debate
Speaker 1: to that or would you like to add your own.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I would have said years ago,
Speaker 1: health insurance or health care. Um, not going to like
Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I just don't feel like we've
Speaker 1: gotten there at all. I don't know what the answer
Speaker 1: is exactly, but something with health care. But now it
Speaker 1: would definitely be the sex trafficking, hands down good one
Speaker 1: that the top now he has a debt. Both those
Speaker 1: do involve the kids. I'm gonna have to. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be in the middle here, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: both of those, can I steal both of those? That's
Speaker 1: not fun? World Peace are either independent party in this?
Speaker 1: I am I feel so independent anyways. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: but because those I mean sex trafficking, that's that's insanely problematic. Yes,
Speaker 1: so obviously with schools too. UM, I would honestly say,
Speaker 1: I will say this, if there was a way to
Speaker 1: clean up like California, there was homeless people and um
Speaker 1: needles and everywhere in Studio City. So if there's a
Speaker 1: way to somehow clean that up a little, some kind
Speaker 1: of programs which there, then there might be. But if so,
Speaker 1: let's put some more money into it or to just
Speaker 1: help or how we can help homeless people maybe get
Speaker 1: on their feet, Like I know in Nashville we do
Speaker 1: the homeless UM paper and so you don't see as
Speaker 1: many homeless people. It's growing a little bit more Nashville
Speaker 1: right now. But UM, just being able to um not
Speaker 1: enable but help them. You know what sucks about that?
Speaker 1: That's one of those issues that no matter which way
Speaker 1: you swing it, you're gonna get backlash because uh, because
Speaker 1: people are going to complain number one, that there's a
Speaker 1: homeless problem or that there's you know people in the
Speaker 1: valley like where we live. They're like, oh, there's homeless everywhere.
Speaker 1: But then they're gonna start doing these programs and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, this is where tax dollars are. They
Speaker 1: had their chance, they failed in society. Why are we
Speaker 1: gonna spend our tax dollars and put these programs and
Speaker 1: do this housing for the homeless. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's just one of those topics which unfortunately
Speaker 1: people are going to complain no matter which way. So
Speaker 1: then instead, I mean the underpass where we used to
Speaker 1: live in California, there's now they put they gave them
Speaker 1: for um bathrooms, And I mean there's just the entire
Speaker 1: I mean the entire place is just like and then
Speaker 1: across the streem like I don't joually walking across the
Speaker 1: street into this Like it's I totally get your side,
Speaker 1: but there's got to be something. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what it's gonna happen. But if
Speaker 1: you offered them all jobs, would they take them? I
Speaker 1: bet you probably half wouldn't. It's like When we offered
Speaker 1: the kind bars, They're like, I can't eat that, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what're living on the streets you don't want
Speaker 1: I have. I have a box of kind bars them.
Speaker 1: So I mean to answer your question, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the hard I don't know how you Yeah, those
Speaker 1: bars don't agree with my palette. I'm going to pass.
Speaker 1: I was just like, what only in West Hollywood? A
Speaker 1: good question though, what about Easton? Yeah? Easton would what
Speaker 1: would you do? Marvel movies free for everyone? You know,
Speaker 1: Janet when you were saying, like, I ran for president
Speaker 1: too in junior high school, and I like, I looked
Speaker 1: up what you actually have power to do as like
Speaker 1: a student body president, and it was like and I
Speaker 1: told him, I'm like, I'll make the rallies more engaging.
Speaker 1: I'll try to keep him brief, not much more I
Speaker 1: can do other than that. And then my opponents like,
Speaker 1: we're getting ice cream for lunch every day and I'm
Speaker 1: canceling school on Fridays. And he won the election, and
Speaker 1: I was like, he can't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And it was actually a pretty good lesson in how
Speaker 1: politics work, because that's that's who ended up waiting but um,
Speaker 1: if if I were running for president, uh in general, UM,
Speaker 1: I mean I would like to see some of our
Speaker 1: budget be directed maybe, you know, away from national defense
Speaker 1: and more towards uh. You know, we can get rid
Speaker 1: of those student loans that are making everybody crippled. We
Speaker 1: can brief up our health care. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems we have in this country that could be
Speaker 1: fixed with a lot of money, and that money is available.
Speaker 1: So that's something I would like to that I would
Speaker 1: try to influence. Uh. And of course I screamed for
Speaker 1: everybody and canceled school on Fridays. That's what I would do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. All Right, that was a great topic.
Speaker 1: And again, let's all just just be kind to each other. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, and then Iron Zering is going
Speaker 1: to join the show. I'm excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1: I can't wait all nine o two. And now you
Speaker 1: have the loudest swallow swallow. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: My husband's swallows so heavy into the microphone that I'm
Speaker 1: just like, it's just like he even tries to back away,
Speaker 1: but it's just she's at that point. I could drink
Speaker 1: water right now. She'd be like, I hate how you
Speaker 1: drink water. Oh no, it's just like you're you're like,
Speaker 1: you're swallow is just so loud. You guys been married
Speaker 1: for a long time, so sorry to hear your swallow
Speaker 1: is irritating to you. You and me both we have
Speaker 1: the whole new thing of worms to open up with
Speaker 1: our therapists. Now, I mean, seriously, I mean, how many
Speaker 1: do you do you get annoyed that how many times
Speaker 1: people probably call you Ian? You know, what's happening less
Speaker 1: and less as I get older, I'm changing the norm,
Speaker 1: Like everybody knows who you are. But it's like, can
Speaker 1: you because I mean people even will be like they'll
Speaker 1: call me Jana and I'm like, it's Janna, But that's fine, Like,
Speaker 1: since you can call me whenever you want, that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I am what my mom named me, you know,
Speaker 1: and Janna Jana. You know you are what your mom
Speaker 1: named you so exactly in your eye. And I'm not
Speaker 1: just just to ask to be called what you were named, right,
Speaker 1: you know? People always so stuck up. Well, listen, idiot,
Speaker 1: my name is not in it's I. That's when my
Speaker 1: mom called me, My friends and family called me. You
Speaker 1: can call me whatever you want. I've been called a
Speaker 1: lot worse than me in I don't care. I passed
Speaker 1: over it right, take it up with mom if you
Speaker 1: have an issue seriously. Um, well, if you guys don't
Speaker 1: recognize that voice and you can't see his face like weekend,
Speaker 1: fortunately that's Mr Iron's earring, the one and only. So
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on, man, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. It was so nice to h get
Speaker 1: a glimpse into the Mary dynamic between you two before
Speaker 1: I signed on it. It's what you're missing, you know,
Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh, thank god, this is why. This
Speaker 1: is why I got divorced. Like, um, similar situation, different reasons.
Speaker 1: But you know what, marriage is difficult, you know, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the work is can
Speaker 1: be challenging, but it should feel like working in a garden,
Speaker 1: not necessarily schlepping boxes of fifty flights of stairs. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the night you can agree to disagree,
Speaker 1: but you know in your heart you've got the right
Speaker 1: person if they're the one you want to wake up
Speaker 1: next to the next morning. So that's what it takes.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so true. And because you were
Speaker 1: married for how long, I mean a long time, right
Speaker 1: about nine and a half years before we filed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know, it's it's just, I
Speaker 1: mean we always obviously it's a relationship show. We talk
Speaker 1: a lot about our relationship, and it's marriage is just work.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Some days you're just like like, would I
Speaker 1: just be happier alone? Would he be happier alone? And
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just difficult, and especially when you
Speaker 1: have kids mixed into it, Um what we have to
Speaker 1: And then how old are your kids? Six? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: seven and nine? Second grade and fourth grade? Two little girls,
Speaker 1: they're just the best? How are they? How is co parenting?
Speaker 1: How is that going with them? It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's they don't know better, they don't know differently their
Speaker 1: entire world, there's not one thing that's been the same
Speaker 1: since we broke up. Very quickly, Aaron moved out and
Speaker 1: after that school became virtual. They can't see their friends,
Speaker 1: so there's two homes that they're going back. Like every
Speaker 1: foundational building block, uh, every support system hasn't been turned
Speaker 1: on its side. So it's they they're incredibly resilient, you know,
Speaker 1: they roll, They roll with this a lot, honestly, a
Speaker 1: lot better than I do. I. You know, I worry
Speaker 1: about my kids. They don't worry about anything. They want
Speaker 1: to go roller skating or whatever. They don't want to
Speaker 1: go on to zoom, and they don't want to do
Speaker 1: any school work. But that's the same for me. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the struggle to make sure they're getting
Speaker 1: everything they need and then some. And that's where because
Speaker 1: of this global pandemic, because of the social unrest, because
Speaker 1: of the fires, because of everything, the divorce, it just
Speaker 1: feels like there's really no way for me to win
Speaker 1: as dad. It's like the system right now is is
Speaker 1: kind of stacked against me. And it's not for any
Speaker 1: fault of mine or or my exes. It's because of
Speaker 1: the situation that we all find ourselves in. But right
Speaker 1: now it just is a particularly heavily downpour of a storm.
Speaker 1: Is there any piece of you that you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you didn't foresee any of this happening, you know,
Speaker 1: before you file, But is there any part of you
Speaker 1: there was like, man, I wish I wish I had
Speaker 1: stuck it out or did more, even though you've probably
Speaker 1: did so much work, but so that this yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: is is there any regret with that at all? Or? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, creatoring your family is not an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do. It takes a lot of courage. Um. I
Speaker 1: you know, we tried to make this work as long
Speaker 1: as possible, and it got to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: nothing was changing. You got to have matched energy in
Speaker 1: pursuing a happy marriage and and there there just wasn't that.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Aaron is an amazing mom. She's
Speaker 1: so good to my girls. Um, you know, got a
Speaker 1: lot to be thankful for. I'll always love her. She
Speaker 1: gave me the kids, and uh, you know, we talk,
Speaker 1: we're civil. It's uh, you know, disappointment is going to
Speaker 1: be stinging for for a while, but life has to
Speaker 1: go on. I want to show my kids what a
Speaker 1: loving relationship is, and there just was not enough of that,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted. I want my kids to see
Speaker 1: to not see disrespect. I want them to see functioning relationship.
Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, with the right person,
Speaker 1: myself and Aaron will be able to show that we
Speaker 1: just did. We just didn't have what it takes. And
Speaker 1: life doesn't give you a dress. Rehearsal So what's one
Speaker 1: thing that you'll take into your next relationship that you
Speaker 1: learned from your path that you that you can do
Speaker 1: better and you can look in the mirror and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can own this and I can do better when
Speaker 1: this conflict arises. Uh. You know, it's interesting because when
Speaker 1: we got married. As an actor, you know, there's no
Speaker 1: job security and husband and father is no fail endeavor
Speaker 1: to me. So I started a business. I got involved
Speaker 1: with a network marketing company to build a business. I've
Speaker 1: been an employee my whole life and it still hasn't
Speaker 1: created the kind of wealth that would allow me to
Speaker 1: dictate how I want to spend my time. Only business
Speaker 1: owners create that kind of wealth. And I started a business.
Speaker 1: And in building that business, um, you know, it involved
Speaker 1: me being away you know a little bit. I'm the
Speaker 1: woman who was mentoring me. Was on the East Coast,
Speaker 1: and it necessitated me flying to the East coast for
Speaker 1: five I would leave Sunday night red eye out of
Speaker 1: L A X and I would fly to Land at
Speaker 1: six in the morning at JFK, where I'd get in
Speaker 1: a rental car and I would drive to Connecticut and
Speaker 1: over then so I would leave, Uh, Saturday morning the
Speaker 1: next week on a seven am flight, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to maximize my time there and minimize my time away,
Speaker 1: so I would take a red eye Sunday night, but
Speaker 1: I would get back as early as I could on Saturday,
Speaker 1: having the whole week to drive five miles to different
Speaker 1: people's homes explaining about the products and trying to build
Speaker 1: consumers and other business builders. And you know, it took
Speaker 1: its toll on me. And you know, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of blowback for that, uh during that time, because
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron didn't appreciate me being away, and I
Speaker 1: understand that, Um, she thought I was there selling soap.
Speaker 1: Why am I going to women's homes. I mean, I
Speaker 1: got to think there's a little bit of what's going
Speaker 1: on there. But I was building a business, and when
Speaker 1: you build a business, there's no elevator to success. You
Speaker 1: got to take the stairs. And I had faith that
Speaker 1: I could do this. I burned my boats. I committed
Speaker 1: I was going to make this happen. The people do it,
Speaker 1: I can do this, and if I could use the
Speaker 1: celebrity leverage, then it's gonna happen a little quicker. And
Speaker 1: you know, it took a few years, but it took
Speaker 1: its toll and I wasn't as present as I could
Speaker 1: have been. And when I get home from traveling, I
Speaker 1: was a freaking zombie and Aaron having a nothing but
Speaker 1: babies to talk to, like, so you just lay there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk And I felt so bad. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be present, but you gotta find
Speaker 1: a way to juggle. And while I was doing everything
Speaker 1: I could to provide for my family, while I didn't
Speaker 1: have money in the bank, I mean there was no
Speaker 1: sharknado at that time, two or oh that money comes
Speaker 1: and goes. Um, this was a way to provide. And
Speaker 1: then working on sharknadoes would take me out of the country,
Speaker 1: or working with the Chippendales, I was away two summers,
Speaker 1: but they came to visit me. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it just it just takes its time. I think that
Speaker 1: the lesson to be learned is to be able to
Speaker 1: juggle your time so you can always be present for
Speaker 1: your spouse, but yet have enough individuality to do what
Speaker 1: you need to be a provider. I think ultimately I
Speaker 1: got punished for doing what I felt I had to
Speaker 1: do to provide for the family and now, you know,
Speaker 1: eleven years later, I'm at the top tier of this
Speaker 1: company where now they're looking to me to talk to
Speaker 1: the corporation, to talk to other countries and how I've
Speaker 1: built my business. So I made I made it to
Speaker 1: that level of success, but it had a had a price.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's what cost me my marriage.
Speaker 1: There are other variables, but you know, you asked me
Speaker 1: what I would do differently, what I'm taking out of
Speaker 1: this and finding, uh you know two point oh, it's
Speaker 1: that you've just got to find a way to always
Speaker 1: be present and pick up the cues that your spouse
Speaker 1: or love one gives you, because when you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: you put yourself in a position where you become disposable
Speaker 1: to your spouse. You never want to go to sleep
Speaker 1: wondering if the person you're lying next to loves you.
Speaker 1: It's the worst. HM. That's such a tough Thanks for
Speaker 1: sharing it amazing and definitely captivating. And it's so hard
Speaker 1: that balance because all your intentions are pure. People's intentions
Speaker 1: are pure, like you said, like when they want to
Speaker 1: provide or or be successful, and you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: so much easier in hindsight, which I'm sure it's easier
Speaker 1: for you in hindsight now having made you know, turn
Speaker 1: this business into a success and being in position you
Speaker 1: are now to even look back and probably been like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I could have been more present. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: think that way about things I've done. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and up days, maybe I could have worked a little harder.
Speaker 1: But in that moment, if I take myself back ten years,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I was working my ass off, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you might be doing the same thing. It's like, maybe
Speaker 1: I could have been more present. And again hindsight, but baby,
Speaker 1: at that time, you were doing the best that you could,
Speaker 1: judgling everything you know, and it's that there's no there's
Speaker 1: no playbook, there's no instruction manual. You know. Um, but
Speaker 1: it it takes tolerance by your spouse. It takes understanding
Speaker 1: and acceptance. And again, you know, I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: was the only reason that we had broken up. There
Speaker 1: were some other significant uh flows in our ability to communicate.
Speaker 1: But again, you asked me what I would what I learned.
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing I would that I've
Speaker 1: learned was to always try to cater to the needs
Speaker 1: of my spouse. You know, I and I never felt
Speaker 1: like I wasn't not doing that, but I think I
Speaker 1: could have done it better, or if I had more
Speaker 1: of an understanding of what was happening because of what
Speaker 1: I was doing. You know, I'm a very driven person.
Speaker 1: My father taught me a work ethic that you know
Speaker 1: is relentless. And when you're building a business, you have
Speaker 1: to burn your boats, especially if you're in a financial
Speaker 1: vehicle that you know as a ferrari, and it takes
Speaker 1: you to step on the gas. Once you do that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the forward motion. But again you got
Speaker 1: to take the stairs and hopefully your your partner in
Speaker 1: knowing what you're doing, will appreciate what you're doing. And
Speaker 1: Aaron did, although it continued to be challenging. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd come home, like I said, I'd be a zombie
Speaker 1: after like driving five or six hundred miles in five
Speaker 1: days and taking red Eyes out and you know, taking
Speaker 1: a seven am flight at a JFK, waking up at
Speaker 1: four am on Saturday morning in netiquette to get to
Speaker 1: JFK to return my renal card and get on a
Speaker 1: plane to get home. It's just like what the Silver
Speaker 1: lining though, I mean, besides your business becoming successful is
Speaker 1: I know your girls were probably too young to obviously
Speaker 1: experience this in the moment and really witness what you
Speaker 1: were doing. But what a gift that you can give
Speaker 1: them being able to instill that same relentinousness and work
Speaker 1: ethic that your father instilled to you. To be able
Speaker 1: to share your adventure through building this business with your
Speaker 1: daughters when they're of age and seeing what it takes
Speaker 1: and being like, man, my dad was able to do
Speaker 1: this and this is how he did it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: comes with sacrifices, but that's just something that I feel
Speaker 1: like work ethic is something our kids only see or
Speaker 1: only kind of received by seeing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that they just wake up
Speaker 1: one day and oh yeah, work hard. It's it's they
Speaker 1: see it from us. So the fact that you have
Speaker 1: that and that story to tell them is just I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a gift in my opinion. Yeah, it's uh, it
Speaker 1: comes with tax but yeah, it's a it's a good gift. Um, well,
Speaker 1: my girls to be smart, independent thinkers, um and successful
Speaker 1: in their own right with whatever it is that they
Speaker 1: want to do, and having a good strong work ethic
Speaker 1: is important. But I I think that what's important to
Speaker 1: know is that they shouldn't work hard for a living.
Speaker 1: They should work hard for a lifestyle. And if it's
Speaker 1: a lifestyle that incorporates that includes a spouse or a
Speaker 1: loved one, you've got to find a way to make
Speaker 1: all the layers, uh, synchronous, synchronous. They all have to
Speaker 1: work together. Um. I think that's what maybe was missing
Speaker 1: from my build out. But I'll be sure to instill
Speaker 1: that in the kids. And you, you know, you have
Speaker 1: this successful business, um, but you know you you're also acting.
Speaker 1: You have a show coming out on c W Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you still love to act then, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know we saw Sharknado, loved it. I mean obviously nanotono,
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, like obsessed, Yet this is so exciting.
Speaker 1: Swamp thing was originally we finished shooting that in April
Speaker 1: and it aired originally on the d C Universe. It
Speaker 1: was a streaming app but nobody saw it. They just
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of eyes on it. The DC
Speaker 1: Universe still exists, um, but this kind of quality content
Speaker 1: cost hundreds of millions of dollars, so they weren't getting
Speaker 1: the return on their investment, because the eyeballs in that
Speaker 1: universe were small. Now that it's moving two c W network,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be millions of eyeballs on this thing, and
Speaker 1: it's so worthy of this attention because this is industry
Speaker 1: disruptive programming. When was the last time you talked saw
Speaker 1: a TV show or a horror movie or whatever that was. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're scary, they might be frightening, but spooky like spooky
Speaker 1: is delicious, Spooky smolders, spooky like is what makes your
Speaker 1: skin like. Look at go goose pumps right now. The
Speaker 1: swamp thing is spooky. It's delivered in a way that
Speaker 1: when you put the best writers in Hollywood together with
Speaker 1: top tier producers and some of the best directors and
Speaker 1: the cutting edge visual effects special effects production company together
Speaker 1: and you hire a cast like I'm working with just
Speaker 1: unbelievable actors Jennifer Bals, Kevin Duran, Will Patton, um Maria,
Speaker 1: Stan Henderson Wade. Did they call you and You're like, Hey,
Speaker 1: We've got this part for you, or did know? What
Speaker 1: happened was my agent calls and says, hey, you have
Speaker 1: an audition for a DC superhero And I was like
Speaker 1: what because inside of all this, I'm still an eight
Speaker 1: year old boy. I mean most men are. Most women
Speaker 1: will agree to that always it's a child inside. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we are in this cater to that. This brought back
Speaker 1: all the excitement that I remember in reading the Swamp
Speaker 1: Thing comic books and seeing Adrian Barbou and Heather Lucklier
Speaker 1: clown the whole property way back in those ridiculous movies
Speaker 1: or fun. But I have an audition for the first
Speaker 1: of all d C comic superhero to play the Blue Devil.
Speaker 1: It's really yeah, and it's at you know, nine o'clock
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. Here's a script. Good luck, don't you love that?
Speaker 1: One day to prepare, I'm like a called a friend.
Speaker 1: Another actor came over, helped me workshop it. We tore
Speaker 1: it up, tried in different ways, got it on its feet,
Speaker 1: got it to the point where I owned it, where
Speaker 1: all the words were inside that I could start making
Speaker 1: it my own. Went in the next day. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a typical audition where you stand in front of
Speaker 1: a camera and the casting director says, slay your name. No,
Speaker 1: this was in a small theater on the Warner Brothers lot,
Speaker 1: and the producers were there, the writers were there, people
Speaker 1: from Warner like, this was the room and you were testing,
Speaker 1: you were testing it was It was basically street testing,
Speaker 1: and I didn't expect that. But you know, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this long enough that I'm not going to let
Speaker 1: that slow me down. I don't get nervous. I get excited.
Speaker 1: They manifest themselves in the same physiology and understanding that
Speaker 1: I'm able to separate it, and I'm like, I'm all
Speaker 1: right being excited, even though my malbourn's dry, and when
Speaker 1: you're nervous, it's the same thing. But when you think
Speaker 1: about what's really happening inside of me, I was more excited,
Speaker 1: So it kind of takes the fear, gets rid of
Speaker 1: the jitters. You can be excited about something and still
Speaker 1: and still have the cotton mouth going in. But I
Speaker 1: tore it up. I did the best I could. I
Speaker 1: drive home from my audition, and typically after an audition
Speaker 1: as an actor so much rejection. Can't be the guy
Speaker 1: every time, but you can control. You can be in
Speaker 1: charge of what you present, and that's what I always
Speaker 1: strive for perfection in my presentation and I accomplished that.
Speaker 1: But driving home from this audition, I couldn't let it go.
Speaker 1: This was so special, the eight year old boy, and
Speaker 1: so I kep knocking on my leg. Dude, if you
Speaker 1: get this, oh my god, you're gonna be a superhero.
Speaker 1: Batic happening down, Like, shut up, get out of my head.
Speaker 1: I want to think about this anymore because there's a
Speaker 1: very high degree of failure as an actor, failure to
Speaker 1: get the role. Can't be the guy every time, I
Speaker 1: don't take it. Personally, I do the best I can.
Speaker 1: I'm too tall, too short, wrong color, need a uh,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. You don't always fit. I'm okay with that,
Speaker 1: but I'm not okay if I blow the audition, then
Speaker 1: it's on me. I didn't blow the audition, did the
Speaker 1: best I could that night, no call m next morning
Speaker 1: they called me. My agent called and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: got the part. And I was like, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: hold on, I get no callback because from a project
Speaker 1: where they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars, I kind
Speaker 1: of would think they'd want to call back just to
Speaker 1: cross the t's and dot the eyes, make sure that
Speaker 1: this is the guy. Like, no, you got it, I said, Glenn,
Speaker 1: do me a favor calling back and make sure it's
Speaker 1: iron zering that they're booking. Suppose I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: I said, you're doing it because I'm just having a
Speaker 1: little trouble thinking that without a call back, I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: So he did not to confirm. I just need to
Speaker 1: confirm that it's my client. It wasn't like that. He
Speaker 1: was more sly in getting the confirmation, and I booked it,
Speaker 1: and then I started reading the scripts and I talian
Speaker 1: the scripts were so powerful. With this kind of programming,
Speaker 1: typically it's run run run, huge action piece run, run run,
Speaker 1: huge set piece, run, run, run explosion. There's not enough
Speaker 1: time for quality development of the characters. Very superficially, you
Speaker 1: don't get an understanding of any kind of pre life.
Speaker 1: You don't get an understanding of relationships. They use some
Speaker 1: of the best writers in Hollywood to deliver some of
Speaker 1: the most poignant, well crafted scripts I've ever read, whether
Speaker 1: it's romantic comedy or science fiction or horror or whatever.
Speaker 1: There are so many layers inside of all of these
Speaker 1: scripts that really help you just get immersed in in
Speaker 1: the characters you're already starting to feel. You get the
Speaker 1: backstory delivered in a way that you don't even understanding
Speaker 1: that you're getting backstory, but it's it's happening and you're absorbing.
Speaker 1: You suddenly know, oh, Abby ar Cane used to come
Speaker 1: from this town. And Alec Holland, boy, why doesn't he
Speaker 1: wear like shoes in the swamp? Why is he wearing
Speaker 1: flip flops in the swamp? Dude? What's gonna get me? Like,
Speaker 1: you just start sending your mind in these different ways.
Speaker 1: When you couple that with directors that Lenn weissman, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Underworld. You see all those and a ton
Speaker 1: of other movies that like my husband, like the Marvel
Speaker 1: d c just like he's like, right, he's you know,
Speaker 1: why don't you know that? It's like these dudes delivered.
Speaker 1: James One, the guy that directed Aquaman, produced this. His
Speaker 1: company produced this, so he brought that level of quality content.
Speaker 1: Two swamp thing. All these variables are falling into place,
Speaker 1: and I'm real I saying that I'm working at the
Speaker 1: top of the food chain here. Actor Jennifer Balu, Will Patton,
Speaker 1: you know, Will Patton might not know the name. You
Speaker 1: know this guy's face and he is amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking, you're talking us into it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean you don't even have to because for him, because
Speaker 1: he's like as a as a Oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you gotta I'm telling you sample this, you're gonna want
Speaker 1: them well. And it's it's coming out this Tuesday, October six,
Speaker 1: Swamp Thing on CW. Check it out, guys, Ian, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. We're sold. I hope our viewers are too.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be amazing. Thanks so much. Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me on guys nice chatting with hey. Thanks for
Speaker 1: just being vulnerable as well and sharing your story. We
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thanks appreciate all right, Bye Gian bye.
Speaker 1: I love his passion, and I think the silver lining
Speaker 1: and all of that is, you know, especially with how
Speaker 1: things went down with his relationship and what he um
Speaker 1: could maybe go back. I think it's just a good
Speaker 1: reminder to all of us who are maybe yes, it's
Speaker 1: still important to work and work really hard, but you
Speaker 1: also need to work on the relationship that your family
Speaker 1: is in and just to remember that that is there,
Speaker 1: um and that it still needs nourishing in, you know,
Speaker 1: And but that's it's a hard balance. It's a hard balance,
Speaker 1: especially when you're you know, trying to run a business
Speaker 1: or do this or go back to school or or
Speaker 1: you know. But I think it's just still important to
Speaker 1: as someone who you know, potentially not regrets but would
Speaker 1: if he could go back, that would be the thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that i've you know, we've
Speaker 1: obviously heard before a lot too from other people who
Speaker 1: have you know, are very successful, but they missed the
Speaker 1: time with their family. Um. And I think it's just
Speaker 1: learn balance, you know, to learn balance it all comes
Speaker 1: with a price, and just living in moderation. But I
Speaker 1: love his excitement about the projects he's doing that gets
Speaker 1: me excited. I love his vulnerability he had with opening
Speaker 1: up you know, around his girls and his marriage situation.
Speaker 1: So don't forget to check out that show swamp Thing
Speaker 1: October six on the c W And we love you
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