Speaker 1: On the premier episode of Rewives, I had to start
Speaker 1: with a bang, So today I'm reliving the Scary Island episode. Yup.
Speaker 1: It is one of Andy Cohen's favorite episodes ever. I
Speaker 1: remember like it was yesterday. It was a complete, crazy
Speaker 1: shit show. It's one of the most iconic Housewives episodes
Speaker 1: of any city ever, period story and film. At eleven.
Speaker 1: It's the episode where the conflict between myself and Kelly
Speaker 1: ben Simone really bubbles up to the surface. There are
Speaker 1: complaint pads, photo shoots, gift bags, coco puffs, jelly beans,
Speaker 1: gummy bears, sleep discussion, and a whole lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: And joining me in this deep dive is Emmy Award
Speaker 1: winning actress Elizabeth Moss, And this is why I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with the show. Nowhere else will you hear one of
Speaker 1: the greatest actresses of our time have a serious conversation
Speaker 1: about ho bags. This is one of my favorite podcast episodes.
Speaker 1: I've We're done, and I hope you love it as
Speaker 1: much as I do. Let's mention it all. Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: got so nice to see you and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about talking to you. Well, this is obviously gonna be
Speaker 1: the most important work you'll ever do in your career.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, though, that I have done
Speaker 1: more research for this podcast than I have done for
Speaker 1: most rules. And it's not a joke. So when I
Speaker 1: found out what episode we were talking about, first of all,
Speaker 1: I freaked out, and it was like, I felt like
Speaker 1: it was a personal gift to me from you. And
Speaker 1: then I rewatched all of season three, including the reunions
Speaker 1: and the lost footage, and then I kind of took
Speaker 1: it into season four and then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we're good now, but I really have researched this.
Speaker 1: My daughter believe it. I know it's not appropriate, she's twelve,
Speaker 1: but like when I was immersed in season three of
Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tail and she just saw some of it. And
Speaker 1: you carry to carry a show like that only reminds
Speaker 1: me of like Claire Daine's Homeland, like a woman with
Speaker 1: the with the that carries such an intense, amazing show.
Speaker 1: It's so good, you're so amazing. You're just really extraordinary
Speaker 1: and rare, but more more important than the oppression of women.
Speaker 1: I guess it is scary, scary, scary island. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's there's a tie in there. Somewhere. Absolutely, there's
Speaker 1: Gilead and there's Scary Island. They're the same. They're the same.
Speaker 1: So you watched Housewives in real time in life, or
Speaker 1: you were a person who found it later, or you
Speaker 1: were back then, you know I was. I was back then.
Speaker 1: I watched in real time, and then in later seasons
Speaker 1: I would sort of lapse and then binge like two
Speaker 1: seasons to three seasons back to back. Um, I've fallen
Speaker 1: off a bit. I haven't been watching as much lately
Speaker 1: because I've been kind of busy, although apparently not busy
Speaker 1: enough to not rewatch all of these three in the
Speaker 1: past few days too much. Yeah, And I guess there's
Speaker 1: a message in this show, which is funny because to
Speaker 1: be learning from the Housewives and me having conversations with
Speaker 1: intelligent people about this show, which was an idea for
Speaker 1: the this show rewives was because I wanted to do
Speaker 1: some people were doing rewatches, and frankly, the truth is,
Speaker 1: this is the truth. Paul said to me my fiance,
Speaker 1: like people want to hear Tom Brady talk about football,
Speaker 1: like they want to hear from him. So you've got
Speaker 1: all these other derivative people that are sort of talking
Speaker 1: about this garbage and they want to hear you, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I don't want to go back into
Speaker 1: the garbage dump. And you know, it wasn't feeling right.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about housewives. So I thought, what if I
Speaker 1: have an elevated conversation with smart, successful people about this,
Speaker 1: because there are definitely things that you can learn about
Speaker 1: dynamics from talking about the show. But still entertained, that's
Speaker 1: how this show came to be. And I think it's
Speaker 1: also interesting. I think Paul's absolutely right, and I think
Speaker 1: it's also interesting to hear your perspective so many years
Speaker 1: down the road, having had different life experiences, you know,
Speaker 1: having become such an incredible success, how your perspective may
Speaker 1: have changed on those events. Okay, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1: We start about the hoe bag scene. You know, a
Speaker 1: risk that you don't take in playing a character June Osborne.
Speaker 1: You know you're not No one's ever gonna surprisingly call
Speaker 1: you a hoe back to your face? Right? What was
Speaker 1: I mean? You can very clearly see the reaction on camera,
Speaker 1: But I have questions. I have more questions for you, go,
Speaker 1: did you going into that experience did you think it
Speaker 1: was going to be anything like what it would be
Speaker 1: was suspicious that it was gonna be something like would
Speaker 1: it ended up becoming or did you just go in
Speaker 1: blind and think I have I'm going on this trip,
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be okay, maybe something interesting would happen.
Speaker 1: How surprised were you by how scary it got? Well,
Speaker 1: what's funny is the island of of St. John was
Speaker 1: not happy, like the house owners always taking a risk
Speaker 1: that we're not like this is a ship hole. But
Speaker 1: it was great because it was a really nice house.
Speaker 1: But the island is taking a risk too, that we're
Speaker 1: gonna name it scary Island because St. John from a
Speaker 1: branding perspective, doesn't want to become known as scary island.
Speaker 1: It's always so funny, and I used to get it.
Speaker 1: I'm I was not I was always on time, and
Speaker 1: I always was like, you know, professional and and reliable
Speaker 1: the most on time. But I'm not easy in the
Speaker 1: sense that I don't just go along like, let's pretend
Speaker 1: this is your trip, Elizabeth. You bought, you rented a
Speaker 1: two fifty dollar house, and when we're pulling in on
Speaker 1: the boat, you're gonna tell everybody this is the wonderful
Speaker 1: gift you got for them, paid for are by a
Speaker 1: Bravo and production company integration. Like it's so fair, Like
Speaker 1: it's okay, we just all are on vacation together. We
Speaker 1: don't have to Nobody cares to t for it. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. But you don't know how the
Speaker 1: fights ensued between housewives where one person will be like,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to own the trip. I mean we don't
Speaker 1: think it's a real hat. Yes, people want to own.
Speaker 1: In this case, this was quote unquote Ramona's trip. I
Speaker 1: mean she invited everybody, right, and she gets very very
Speaker 1: very excited in a very funny and cute way when
Speaker 1: she's revealing the house on the hill. Um, she's right,
Speaker 1: so excited. So in this case, though, was she just
Speaker 1: did she have the idea for the trip? Did she
Speaker 1: what's the truth and what's the reality of it? Or
Speaker 1: she just the reality is that, you know, and people
Speaker 1: wanted to be their trip in the finale party and
Speaker 1: like there's people want I don't want more work, I
Speaker 1: don't want more want I don't I don't want more work. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: so unless you're like it's your launch and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it becomes like a bidding war, like if it's your
Speaker 1: launch and it's the best pitch. So so everybody at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season sits down with the producers
Speaker 1: and what's going on with your life? And I've got this,
Speaker 1: and I've got that and most of the thing. And
Speaker 1: people want to pitch my restaurant up. This is my
Speaker 1: friend's restaurant. You know. Everyone wants to pitch where they're
Speaker 1: gonna be by the couple of years. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't just tell me where to be, but because
Speaker 1: you don't want all the responsibility of all that, but
Speaker 1: people like that. It's just the thing. So really, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not the producers just I mean I would. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Producers should just arrange everything and take care
Speaker 1: of it. That's their job. Just tell me where to be. Well,
Speaker 1: they take they take care, they'll they'll talk to each person.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, well, I'm taking a pottery class,
Speaker 1: and I think it'd be really interesting if we all
Speaker 1: go to the pottery class together and the producers fall
Speaker 1: asleep because it's boring to watch people do pottery, and
Speaker 1: then someone else is like, oh, I'm going to therapy,
Speaker 1: So we could do you know, Oh, how about we
Speaker 1: get you getting plastic start whatever that thing is, so
Speaker 1: then you find out whatever, but he's got going on.
Speaker 1: In some cases, they really want one person to own
Speaker 1: the trips, so it'll be like, how about we renew
Speaker 1: your vows Ramona, or she might have pitched that because
Speaker 1: she wanted to do that. And then sometimes you know
Speaker 1: someone really wants to go somewhere. Oh that's competition to wait. No,
Speaker 1: we should be going to Turks and Caicos. We should
Speaker 1: be going And Ramona, well, no one that's ever been
Speaker 1: on reality television that I've ever met has loved those
Speaker 1: trips more than remote. Like she thinks she's going to
Speaker 1: real vacation. For me, it was torture, Like Derenda would
Speaker 1: think it was torture. I would think, this is not
Speaker 1: me really going to Morocco. This is me going to
Speaker 1: Morocco on like a scheduled, shackled itinerary. But so Ramona
Speaker 1: thinks it's totally like real vacation, and she doesn't care
Speaker 1: she's getting to go to so she'll hard pitch her
Speaker 1: places and wants to go where she's pitching. So sometimes
Speaker 1: the people are pitching and winning, and then sometimes the
Speaker 1: producers are pitching the places or they have a relationship.
Speaker 1: We can get a villa here, we can get it
Speaker 1: that there they have. You know, we were always the
Speaker 1: step children, so we always had the shittiest budgets. Like
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is going to lave amazing places and we're
Speaker 1: going to like de Moi, you know. So so I
Speaker 1: used to like when we were going to Miami because
Speaker 1: it would be like, it's not a vacation anyway, it's
Speaker 1: two hours, not stop direct flight. Let me burn the
Speaker 1: place to the ground again. I can probably don't need,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to be on an eleven
Speaker 1: hour flight to fight with people, like a fight with
Speaker 1: them in Jersey. Just keep us trapped together. That's why
Speaker 1: the burg Shears is great. And that's the thing is
Speaker 1: if it's if the show is good, the content is good,
Speaker 1: if the relationships are interesting, and then it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you go. You can totally go to the right.
Speaker 1: But riddle me this. An apartment that's a thousand square
Speaker 1: feet in New York City could cost three million dollars,
Speaker 1: and that's what a twenty thousand squarefret house in Atlanta
Speaker 1: would cost. And where they live in the suburbs, so
Speaker 1: you have to find stuff to show because we all
Speaker 1: look like we're living like you know, I had a
Speaker 1: four thousand squareft apartment, and I had the best department,
Speaker 1: and it would be a house the size of you know,
Speaker 1: Lisa Vanner Promp's house, but it still doesn't look the same.
Speaker 1: So the Beverly Hills has a lot of the clothes
Speaker 1: and trappings and cars and houses that do a lot
Speaker 1: of the story. Like other cities, have to rely more
Speaker 1: on the actual meet because we can't show a gorgeous
Speaker 1: estate for long, you know, and have the entertainment of
Speaker 1: just looking at that an expensive car. We don't have
Speaker 1: the cars, we don't have the homes that are that
Speaker 1: big because it's New York City. So that's just something
Speaker 1: to mention to you think about the visual. The first season,
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen called me the Greek Chorus because he felt
Speaker 1: that I was sort of explaining to the audience something
Speaker 1: that was going on, and I was like with them
Speaker 1: in the narration unintentional narration of the show. So this season,
Speaker 1: Kelly comes in and I meet her, and I had
Speaker 1: met her previously and she had sort of acted like
Speaker 1: she didn't know me unless I was with someone famous
Speaker 1: or like there was just a nuance in the hampts
Speaker 1: because I was a nobody who was like a guest
Speaker 1: of a guest of a guest when she was more elevated.
Speaker 1: So I had a pre existing feeling about her um,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know her and I had met her
Speaker 1: at different times. It was totally superficial. But when we
Speaker 1: sat down at this meeting earlier in the season and
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't put my name on anything,
Speaker 1: because people come into this show and they want to
Speaker 1: show everybody either how rich they are, how elevated they are,
Speaker 1: how not like these trashy women they are, and somehow
Speaker 1: water always seeks its own level. It just it ends
Speaker 1: up whatever is gonna it's gonna be. So you can't
Speaker 1: beat the game trying so hard. And I never there
Speaker 1: was no game. I was just a person showing my
Speaker 1: studio apartment. I bounced checks. I was like poor, it
Speaker 1: was what it was. So she was coming in and
Speaker 1: she was up here and I was down here, and
Speaker 1: I had been feeling this stuff all season. But it
Speaker 1: was like a Threes Company episode, that sitcom where like
Speaker 1: things are happening in other rooms and no one's seeing
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, this is a good this person
Speaker 1: and they're like no, I think she's Swede and nor
Speaker 1: you know, so you're seeing stuff and no one else
Speaker 1: has seen. So this trip, we're trips. That's where trips
Speaker 1: are good. All the ship pours out like whatever is bubbling,
Speaker 1: it comes together and it all comes out on the trip.
Speaker 1: So for me, I I was so happy at the
Speaker 1: end of what we were going to discuss because I
Speaker 1: was like, I told you all, this is what I've
Speaker 1: been seeing. Yes, That's one of my favorite moments of
Speaker 1: the episode is when you're like f you and F you,
Speaker 1: I was right. It's so great because everyone has felt
Speaker 1: that way. When you're like, see, she's crazy, and it's
Speaker 1: very gratifying. You feel very like you feel with you
Speaker 1: as far as like, yes, this is reality, this is
Speaker 1: what's happening. This is vindication. So what's happening is that
Speaker 1: you know in your normal life, like if someone and
Speaker 1: on TV, if someone's calling you a hoe bag, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be on television. You're one day gonna have a
Speaker 1: twelve year old daughter that's on the couch when you're
Speaker 1: watching and see that like someone called you a hoback
Speaker 1: and said you slept your whatever, and you're in the
Speaker 1: moment trying to keep your ship together because you're the
Speaker 1: wheels are turning about the fact that that's like being
Speaker 1: set to you because anything can be said to you,
Speaker 1: and so you have very little I think, visible response
Speaker 1: to her to that word, I think, and what Currantine
Speaker 1: is like, Well, she's also engaged in pregnant, so this
Speaker 1: is a very funny time to be calling her a
Speaker 1: bag exactly exactly, and some people don't show this is
Speaker 1: too tish. But she had a lot going on off
Speaker 1: camera with you know, men and whatever. But that's not
Speaker 1: the point of it. But you know, in a situation,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I'll talk about things
Speaker 1: that are polarizing, but only like what they mean for society.
Speaker 1: I'll never call someone a name, Did that make any sense?
Speaker 1: Like I will character assassinate. I'll talk about like what's
Speaker 1: the message in society or my opinion of someone's actions,
Speaker 1: but I will be like that person's an asshole, Like
Speaker 1: it's just it's low hanging fruit to to call someone
Speaker 1: a name or sexually promiscuous, or a terrible mother or
Speaker 1: a bad wife, Like you won't go like that personal
Speaker 1: I feel I did once and I called her, I
Speaker 1: called her a horse, So I have to take that caveat.
Speaker 1: I took the bait or something that had been bothering me,
Speaker 1: so that I did do that one time, but I
Speaker 1: always owned my But I did do that, but I
Speaker 1: don't typically and especially now, it's just not where I go.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the issue, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? How do you handle when you're called a
Speaker 1: hoe bag? What are you going to do? Because you
Speaker 1: could easily become wrong when someone calls you a ho
Speaker 1: bag with what you do, people forget where it's started
Speaker 1: based on a reaction. The fact that you didn't actually
Speaker 1: really even reply to the hoe bag comment, which is
Speaker 1: I think true. I don't think you really had that
Speaker 1: much of a reaction at the time, right what what
Speaker 1: is the right thing to say? No, I'm not a
Speaker 1: hold yeah exactly, but I'm going to take the receipts
Speaker 1: out of my vagina. Tell you let's really dig into this, Kelly.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you didn't say anything to your
Speaker 1: point of being able to receive language, received comments, receive
Speaker 1: even criticism, and perhaps use it to your advantage. The
Speaker 1: fact that you didn't say anything, just made the comments
Speaker 1: stick out even more like the sore of thtuff. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And in life, if you don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: sit still. And I teach it to my daughter because
Speaker 1: my daughter sometimes in school, something will happen and she
Speaker 1: wants to get on the phone and say it and
Speaker 1: text it. I'm like, first of all, everything in writing
Speaker 1: is for the rest of your life. Second of all,
Speaker 1: whole stay at keep the bus at fifty five, like
Speaker 1: take a break. You know you don't have to get
Speaker 1: every home run. Absolutely you take a second, think about it,
Speaker 1: think about what you want to say, think about how
Speaker 1: you feel, and reply thoughtfully, absolutely exactly. On the chef, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that was even that bothered me even more
Speaker 1: for some reason because and it was bothering her. She
Speaker 1: wanted to like take me down up here, I'm up here,
Speaker 1: you're down here. Was bothering her than anybody might even
Speaker 1: like use that word, like, I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: John George. I went to culinary school, and I was
Speaker 1: a natural food chef. I didn't say I was an
Speaker 1: natural food cook. And the problem is, first of all,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take a shot at this, be a
Speaker 1: better not miss, Like, you can't come in here with me.
Speaker 1: You can't play checkers when I'm playing chess over here,
Speaker 1: Like you just can't. So like, you better get your
Speaker 1: act together, go do a thesis, come in here, have
Speaker 1: copious notes, have a lawyer on hand, Like you can't
Speaker 1: come in here because you're not gonna beat me at
Speaker 1: the words game. So she's coming in and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know you don't work at a restaurant, Like there's
Speaker 1: a woman serving us our lunch here, and I think
Speaker 1: you said at one point, I think you asked her
Speaker 1: for explanation, what do you mean tell me what you
Speaker 1: think a cook is and what a chef is? You
Speaker 1: you asked some sort of like clarifying follow up question,
Speaker 1: which is to to Andy's point about you being a
Speaker 1: recourse is exactly how you feel as a viewer. You're like,
Speaker 1: all you want to do as a viewers go what
Speaker 1: are you getting? Like, what's the point? What do you
Speaker 1: think a cook is? What do you think a chef is?
Speaker 1: And what is what are you trying to say here? Right?
Speaker 1: This is a thing. You notice this in I'm sure
Speaker 1: you notice it in Hollywood and meetings and lunch is
Speaker 1: like when people don't know the tem but sure the room.
Speaker 1: And it happens with successful, smart people, like we're both
Speaker 1: on the same show. She's an elevated woman in New York.
Speaker 1: She was married to bet all the stuff I said before.
Speaker 1: She's sitting at a table and she's not aware of
Speaker 1: the temperature of what's going on. She's telling me I'm
Speaker 1: attacking her, and we're all like, you're not in the
Speaker 1: same meeting. We are, Like, what's what is that about
Speaker 1: in life? Why does some people understand the temperature and
Speaker 1: others don't have a room of a meeting, of a scene. Why?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it has to do a lot
Speaker 1: with somebody just being too much inside themselves. They're not
Speaker 1: looking out, not observing the people around them. They're not
Speaker 1: in the moment, they're not being present. They're on some
Speaker 1: path that they have pre sort of decided that they're
Speaker 1: going to. This is what I'm going to do. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's so smart. And as an actress, I remember taking
Speaker 1: acting classes and it was Meisner where you you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to know the punctuation or anything. You're supposed to
Speaker 1: listen to the other actor and respond that way, versus
Speaker 1: what you how you want to say ha ha ha
Speaker 1: with a laugh. You know, you're you're you're actually, I'm
Speaker 1: sure in scenes for you, you think it's gonna go
Speaker 1: one way and then something happens in the moment or
Speaker 1: someone drops something and you do it totally differently. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know that all the time. All the time,
Speaker 1: I think there's this there's this old thing of there's
Speaker 1: three versions of the scene. There's the version you do
Speaker 1: that you think you're gonna do, there's the version you
Speaker 1: actually do, and then there's the version you do in
Speaker 1: your car on the way home. Oh that's amazingly But
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. It can totally go it differently, And
Speaker 1: I love that as an actor, just as a side tangent, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that is where the joy is. That's where
Speaker 1: it feels alive to me. That's where my heart starts
Speaker 1: pounding and and you know the mic on my chest
Speaker 1: starts picking up my heartbeak. That's where I feel like
Speaker 1: I am fully you know, in the pocket as they say,
Speaker 1: and the gift, Yes, like it feels like it's I'm
Speaker 1: really really there and when you come in with okay,
Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to do this scene, and
Speaker 1: this is how I have decided this scene is going
Speaker 1: to go, and I am going to say the line
Speaker 1: in this way, and it's just going to do waning
Speaker 1: that often is kind of just bullshit. And the best
Speaker 1: version for me, anyway, is when you throw that out
Speaker 1: and you're listening and you're reacting to the other person
Speaker 1: who's now doing something in front of you that's potentially incredible,
Speaker 1: and so you want to kind of give something back
Speaker 1: to them in this in this tennis match, you know,
Speaker 1: because you couldn't even the game is moving too fast.
Speaker 1: There's no way you could even hold. Please, I'd like
Speaker 1: to react to you in the way that I decided
Speaker 1: I was going to do it yesterday, like it would
Speaker 1: be that's how people are in their head. But that
Speaker 1: was the gift of that scene, like me not being
Speaker 1: in my head and be you know, just responding to
Speaker 1: what was happening in front of me, like who could
Speaker 1: prepare for that? You can? And the dinner and diner,
Speaker 1: So it's not that different. I'm not even making a
Speaker 1: joke like us. If you're true to the if you're
Speaker 1: true and self aware, that's what I was going to
Speaker 1: say to you. If you're self aware. You you probably
Speaker 1: understand the temperature of the room better than someone who's
Speaker 1: not self aware. And if you're true to the art
Speaker 1: of what you're doing, even reality TV, that's where it's
Speaker 1: like joy of the shell's joy. Sometimes it's just like
Speaker 1: that was insane. And that's what's so one of the
Speaker 1: one of the many, many interesting things to talk about
Speaker 1: about that dinner in this episode is you can see
Speaker 1: and feel the temperature change during the dinner. You feel
Speaker 1: it change, and you can see all of you around
Speaker 1: Kelly realizing the temperature is changing and going through this
Speaker 1: trajectory of sort of confusion and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what she's saying and trying to clarify things too. Something's
Speaker 1: run here and I think we need to actually back
Speaker 1: away from this. This has gotten to the moment, yeah,
Speaker 1: like yes, the lightbulb of like this is more serious
Speaker 1: than we thought it was. And then just icely just
Speaker 1: frustration and just you know, with the gummy bearers and
Speaker 1: all of that. It was just like what you do
Speaker 1: precisely for all of the things that are let's just say,
Speaker 1: sort of interesting and surprising that Kelly does in this hour,
Speaker 1: I felt like her reaction to the gift bag was
Speaker 1: huge and very telling that something bad was coming, that
Speaker 1: something bad was about to happen when I rewatched it,
Speaker 1: which I did today again, by the way, because they
Speaker 1: really wanted to be I'm telling you, if you know me,
Speaker 1: if anyone knows me, they know I do very very
Speaker 1: little research for any role. I'm not a method actor.
Speaker 1: I'm very bad at doing like homework, like I'm not
Speaker 1: like that. So I when I rewatched it again this morning,
Speaker 1: her reaction when she opens the door and sees the
Speaker 1: gift bag, she actually jumps. But I also couldn't tell
Speaker 1: if that was pre sort of she was making that
Speaker 1: up in the moment, or if that was a real
Speaker 1: genuine reaction for her to jump when she opened the
Speaker 1: door and see the gift bag and then she starts
Speaker 1: crying on the bed, which did. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's about the gift bag or not, but I think
Speaker 1: that she's aware that I'm marketing my brand under the
Speaker 1: guise of a gift bag, and it's annoying her because
Speaker 1: it's all about me. And what I will say about
Speaker 1: housewives is it can be never about what it's about,
Speaker 1: Like you can get frustrated and react in a different
Speaker 1: way in a scene because you're dehydrated and you drank
Speaker 1: three drinks because seem like a good idea and you
Speaker 1: just wanted to have a drink to take the edge off.
Speaker 1: And then and she doesn't, really she didn't, she didn't
Speaker 1: drink a lot. I'm just saying like things can be
Speaker 1: disproportionately played out because of something else that happened before.
Speaker 1: You know, Ramona was always the best because Ramona doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Ramona could literally say the most egregious thing to someone
Speaker 1: and in the next scene hit a pinata and dance
Speaker 1: like it's New Year's even clean up that mess two
Speaker 1: weeks from Thursday. If I do something one word sideways,
Speaker 1: I'm in my head about it later, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, Kelly probably realizes like this is getting out
Speaker 1: of control and she can't sense what's going on, and
Speaker 1: and this girl's here again, haunting me with this gift bag,
Speaker 1: and it's an absolutely irrational, disproportionate response. But being fairness
Speaker 1: to the genre, it's like things tick up, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you're you're just you're just off, or it's
Speaker 1: just you can't handle the game moving so quickly. Whatever
Speaker 1: is going on and we're talking about the complaint pad
Speaker 1: and then I, oh, yeah, I felt something. This is
Speaker 1: something I noticed. We never was never really talked about
Speaker 1: about the episode. There was a way do you ever
Speaker 1: have friends who want to like shroud a compliment in
Speaker 1: some sort of insult or instructive like Kelly. She told
Speaker 1: Alex that she was channeling the devil, but she asked
Speaker 1: this way to like, you know what, you're great, and
Speaker 1: you know what's great, It's really great when you smile.
Speaker 1: It's so nice when you which means like it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, or someone like you know, it's just
Speaker 1: nice to see you like relaxed like this, like so much.
Speaker 1: So she has this way of each time talking to
Speaker 1: sound like no and it's okay, Sonja. I get not
Speaker 1: as much as I used to, which is maybe not
Speaker 1: a good thing. But um, when I was on Madman,
Speaker 1: because my character was like, so it looks so different
Speaker 1: than me, and she was, you know, it was the sixties,
Speaker 1: and so we had this sort of grandma hair no
Speaker 1: matter how old you were, if you were twenty five
Speaker 1: and you had this sort of grandma woffed you know, hair,
Speaker 1: and the costumes always made you look older, and um,
Speaker 1: and I was much you know, I was younger than
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, but I would always get in person
Speaker 1: people would say to me, you look so much better
Speaker 1: in person, or you look so much prettier in person,
Speaker 1: or younger in person all the time, yes, And I
Speaker 1: always just want to say like, and I don't because
Speaker 1: what's the point of getting into it? But like no,
Speaker 1: I always say, like, do you know that? That's me too? Though,
Speaker 1: like that, like thank you also me and and so
Speaker 1: now I feel worried about how I look there. It's
Speaker 1: such a funny thing. Yeah, I call it like it's
Speaker 1: like a It's like an insult, shrouded and frosting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I found about this season and maturing now is
Speaker 1: that I feel like back then, alex and Simon was
Speaker 1: strange to me, and I was a little like either
Speaker 1: judgmental or didn't relate to Alex And and watching back,
Speaker 1: I feel like she was mature and like she poised
Speaker 1: and smart and like, you know, not like the coolest
Speaker 1: girl of all of us. And I have a different
Speaker 1: compassion and feeling for her, like an affinity towards her
Speaker 1: when I watch back, Yeah, like when I watch back now,
Speaker 1: I liked the way she was in this episode. I
Speaker 1: like the way she handled when Kelly told her she
Speaker 1: was channeling the Dell Devil, and she did sort of
Speaker 1: back me up. Alough she was of sound mind, she
Speaker 1: might have been a two sound mind for that show.
Speaker 1: In wait, I that it's so interesting because I totally agree,
Speaker 1: and having watch all season three again, I see that
Speaker 1: through all the throughout the season that she is. She
Speaker 1: may not be as quick with the with the one
Speaker 1: liner sometimes, and she may not be as as brutal
Speaker 1: or have sort of the ton and be able to
Speaker 1: sort of spar like some of the women can on
Speaker 1: the show in this like fascinating way, but she's absolutely
Speaker 1: probably like the calmst and the most normal. Yes, more Tea.
Speaker 1: She was going to be fired, and I told her
Speaker 1: to deliver that message that they're discussing that which I
Speaker 1: guess she was in like makeup that they thought like
Speaker 1: kabooky makeup. I told her, like I knew the producers
Speaker 1: that someone had told me, and I said to her
Speaker 1: to tell that message to Jail because and I was like,
Speaker 1: because I knew it would be like good moment moment
Speaker 1: And years later, Sonja, one of the producers, I will
Speaker 1: not say who in the car said, I think we
Speaker 1: have to let Sonya go. They couldn't find she was
Speaker 1: just a disaster and it was all about the bidet
Speaker 1: and the lage. It was the on the loop and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And there was a scene at a
Speaker 1: restaurant called Cherry, a sushi restaurant where I just light
Speaker 1: a match about her and Tinsley, like where Tinsley started
Speaker 1: out living in Sonya's town house and was basically a
Speaker 1: nobody who had been like arrested and was living in
Speaker 1: and how buy up to that point she had this
Speaker 1: rich guy sending flowers and Sonja's like, you know, poor
Speaker 1: in bankrupt. I said something to like stir that up,
Speaker 1: and it like lit up Sonja and she launched and
Speaker 1: she did not get let go. That is an absolute fact.
Speaker 1: I have the receipt. Did they know this? I mean
Speaker 1: the girls, they wouldn't have cared, they wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: But the producers will back it up a thousand percent.
Speaker 1: Alex was going to be fired that season and Sonya
Speaker 1: was going to be fired later and I went in
Speaker 1: and just said, I said to the producer in the car,
Speaker 1: give me one night. And that was the night that
Speaker 1: Sonya resurrected herself. I forgot that. I don't even think
Speaker 1: Sonya knows that. I mean, she would totally believe me,
Speaker 1: she trust me, But that did happen that I forgot that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, it's totally true because it was so
Speaker 1: out of character for Alex to go do that. And
Speaker 1: she's clearly so. She is a great job. She certainly
Speaker 1: delivers the message, but she's clearly uncomfortable doing it. But
Speaker 1: she she knows she's got to, Like you believe it.
Speaker 1: It seems different. It's like an outlier, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: a funny outside moment where you're like, huh, and that's
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes literally yea. But Kelly tells Alex
Speaker 1: that she was channeling the devil. I just like that.
Speaker 1: And I also like, I didn't go to the photo
Speaker 1: shoot and they would always make you go now to
Speaker 1: something like that, Like I didn't guess and it's okay,
Speaker 1: Like different things happen. It's being real. I like I
Speaker 1: used to say to one of the producers on my
Speaker 1: own show Bethany ever after, when one of the people
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna have you in a big giant dress,
Speaker 1: like Carrie Bradshaw on your bed and whatever, and I said,
Speaker 1: let's do real, Like I just like doing real, So
Speaker 1: I like that. I didn't go to the photo shoot,
Speaker 1: and I really was with you on that one. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, it goes to a photo shoot
Speaker 1: on vacation. That sounds awful. There's a moment in the
Speaker 1: episode where you laid down on this chair on that
Speaker 1: sort of outside and you can just tell just speaking
Speaker 1: to the realness, you can just tell like kind of exhausted,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot going on, pregnant, The way you
Speaker 1: sit down in this chair, it's just so real. You're
Speaker 1: just I felt for you in that moment. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's been a long trip. I feel that all right. Well,
Speaker 1: it looks like we're gonna be at the dinner now.
Speaker 1: So I felt the pressure of cooking, which is weird
Speaker 1: because I cook the crap as you volunteer, Did you
Speaker 1: want to cook or where you asked? No. I think
Speaker 1: they made this thing up of everyone's going to give
Speaker 1: their gift, and I guess and that was giving, right,
Speaker 1: and so mine was to do that. And the producers
Speaker 1: are probably thinking, like they got the big white board
Speaker 1: out and well, now we had that comment. So now
Speaker 1: let's get Bethany to cook, you know, which is again
Speaker 1: you're on this vacation and you're working, but you've got
Speaker 1: to clean up what happened in that other scene for
Speaker 1: them and for you, because you don't know what it
Speaker 1: looks like the whole you're working as a off then
Speaker 1: you don't make a lot of money. What if the
Speaker 1: world thinks you're a fraud and you don't know how
Speaker 1: to call like So so we cook and I picked
Speaker 1: that simple menu and the crab cakes were amazing. I
Speaker 1: made a lot of leftover. Ramona was obsessed with the
Speaker 1: crab pack. She's she will talk about the crab cakes
Speaker 1: of this day. And Ramona, like me, get cares deeply
Speaker 1: about her food and she she eats well, she cooks,
Speaker 1: but she's like cares about her food. So that night
Speaker 1: off off camera and when the producers were like eating
Speaker 1: their feelings and stressed out. And usually the producers don't
Speaker 1: like get into our food our like Jacuzy, like they've
Speaker 1: got their own thing, but it was a very outlier night.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. The wheels came up, so the producers
Speaker 1: all went into the kitchen and ate all my leftover
Speaker 1: crab cakes, and Ramona had a ship it over the
Speaker 1: crab cakes. She cursed out. She cursed out the crew
Speaker 1: about the crab cakes. Asked Matt Anderson and Darren Ward,
Speaker 1: because Darren Ward is very passionate about it, asked if
Speaker 1: she did not have a ship fit about the crab cake.
Speaker 1: I didn't leave a single one. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm a cook going on promonas is like priorities. You
Speaker 1: guys ate their grabs, Yes, your monster, and she meant it,
Speaker 1: and I were like, and that's Matt Anderson and Darren
Speaker 1: Ward ate the crab cakes. And they also they may
Speaker 1: call me a chepherd cook, but everybody was eating my
Speaker 1: crab cakes. It was definitely not a normal night. So
Speaker 1: um so we started off with Kellie talking aloud. Oh,
Speaker 1: she starts in on the salsas. I had to I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that. Did you make the salsa like a derogation?
Speaker 1: Because and by the way, I don't normally make salsas
Speaker 1: like I like, I literally love toastino salsa. I just
Speaker 1: have a weird thing. I don't usually make fresh salsas.
Speaker 1: The pressure was definitely on. I don't even like mango salsa.
Speaker 1: A trio of salsas like, who are you you fraud?
Speaker 1: I don't ever make salsas press, so I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I made maybe the enormous amount of pressure you're in
Speaker 1: there trying to figure out to read different. Never never
Speaker 1: in my life. Besides, then did I make a trio
Speaker 1: of sal says, who do you think you all? What
Speaker 1: are you crazy? I'm not making a So I know
Speaker 1: that I was feeling it because I saw that last
Speaker 1: night and I was like, what the bitch made sauces?
Speaker 1: I mean crazy, incredible? And then she seems to enjoy
Speaker 1: the crab cakes as everyone did. Now she left it
Speaker 1: on the plate. Oh that's right, what am I talking about?
Speaker 1: But she says it was good or she said the
Speaker 1: salad was good or something she she kind of throws
Speaker 1: out like some sort of compliment about something. Yes, which
Speaker 1: is good because Martha, now, Martha Stewart and Kelly ben
Speaker 1: Simone have said that my sala addressings are extraordinary. And
Speaker 1: I'm in the sala addressing business and I make a
Speaker 1: good sound. So that's the rest of my life. I
Speaker 1: will have Kelly ben Simone and Martha Stewart, two people
Speaker 1: who despise me, have said good things about my dressing.
Speaker 1: So literally only Martha and Kelly hate me more than
Speaker 1: anybody in the world, and they both have said positive
Speaker 1: things about my salad dressing. So then that would mean
Speaker 1: if your biggest enemy, So that's good more than compliment
Speaker 1: about you're dressing from a bread. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Yes, So she I like the term
Speaker 1: now in current society that I didn't even know then microaggressions,
Speaker 1: because I feel like eating one fifth of Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not Stephen Hawkins, but maybe one fourth of
Speaker 1: a crab cake is a micro aggression. And who is
Speaker 1: it that's very concerned about sending it back? Is it
Speaker 1: Ramona or someone's rama and a very concerned about sending
Speaker 1: it back? Now? Is she concerned about sending it back round?
Speaker 1: And she just wants the rest of you? Well, it's
Speaker 1: funny you say that because in the scene it really
Speaker 1: looks like she's concerned about sending it back. It doesn't
Speaker 1: track personality wise. But given crab cake gait that happened
Speaker 1: later with the producers, we can never know. We can't
Speaker 1: be very suspicious. And so and Sonya was lovely and
Speaker 1: always is um here. Yes, now we get into the string.
Speaker 1: You've seen those strings like around a tenderloin, and I
Speaker 1: definitely did not mean that, but I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, and it was hers was not very cooked.
Speaker 1: So the one person who for some reason it wasn't
Speaker 1: evenly cooked and there's a string, I'm dying inside. It
Speaker 1: happened to me one time on another show where I
Speaker 1: made a burger for Frederick on my barbecue and like
Speaker 1: it wasn't cooked. And I'm very self conscious, not about
Speaker 1: just cooking, Like if I do something, I want to
Speaker 1: look at it. I want to be perfect as the
Speaker 1: lighting okay is to me it's annoying that funny you're
Speaker 1: proud of what you do and you want it to
Speaker 1: be good. I wanted to be good. So that was
Speaker 1: something that you're thinking your mind again, Like it was
Speaker 1: much younger and I realized that like everything doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But I was much younger and was probably like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna be thought of as I can't cook,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is this is my career at
Speaker 1: that point, that was my how I made my living.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking in my head like this is
Speaker 1: gonna air and it's gonna not be great for that,
Speaker 1: and that was not that was sort of stressed. Of course,
Speaker 1: So when are in the kitchen of all the people
Speaker 1: that this particular piece of meat should go to, and
Speaker 1: then when you're when you're in the kitchen, you are
Speaker 1: very one of my favorite moments of the episodes. In
Speaker 1: the kitchen, you're basically like, it's just a fucking dinner.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking dinner. Who cares to dinner? It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it's unimportant. So it's that kind of is that a
Speaker 1: bit of an act because since I you were secretly
Speaker 1: freaking out stress, right, you know, I I thought that
Speaker 1: was sort of like I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: obvious or not that like I don't mean that like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, tell you, I don't thought maybe like you're
Speaker 1: trying to convince yourself it's not it's just dinner. It's fine,
Speaker 1: but yes, well of course it's your lively because well
Speaker 1: but no. But it's also the person has been saying
Speaker 1: the entire someone saying to you you are a shitty actress.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you're an actress even and I
Speaker 1: don't you were in a high school play. I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in on Broadway, so okay, you
Speaker 1: say you're an actress, you'd be like, yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: it was just a random outlier of a stick and
Speaker 1: just didn't I definitely didn't have a meet thermometer there,
Speaker 1: and I never want something to be overcooked, so I
Speaker 1: probably took it off to you. I definitely took it
Speaker 1: off to Earl and I wanted to be overcooked or
Speaker 1: or don't. I don't remember, and what the grill was
Speaker 1: and it's not my own wal and you know who
Speaker 1: who even knows? And I'm not cooking all the time.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a cook now chef, but um, and I'm
Speaker 1: not always making steak, and god who knows. Now we
Speaker 1: start to, like literally now we start to figuratively get cooking.
Speaker 1: Now we start to get cooking. And there's a moment
Speaker 1: not only when we all realized it had gone SI was,
Speaker 1: but when I realized that everybody else realized what I
Speaker 1: had been saying. It was like, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what was going on with her, and that's the
Speaker 1: type of stuff I won't speculate about, but like her,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're trying to kill me. And I
Speaker 1: threw up last night, like what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: It became very strange. There was the bed and by
Speaker 1: the way she says something earlier when you guys are
Speaker 1: on the boat, like nobody ever explains or talks about.
Speaker 1: It's not brought up in the you know, one ever
Speaker 1: says anything. Which is one of my favorite things, which
Speaker 1: she says, statchels of gold. Please tell me you have
Speaker 1: an explanation for that, because it gets every time I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is it mean? I just want to know what
Speaker 1: I means die. We definitely have to do a production
Speaker 1: company together called It's just a great name for a
Speaker 1: production company, an you know, it is never no Alright,
Speaker 1: So here's the thing that I'm going to tell you,
Speaker 1: honestly and why the show could have been maddening for Kelly.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember all of it, but here's what
Speaker 1: I think. So I think she thinks in these non sequiturs,
Speaker 1: but doesn't isn't explaining like what she's thinking, Like there's
Speaker 1: like the synapses are going off inside, but they are not.
Speaker 1: I dreamed you killed me last night, like or maybe
Speaker 1: that's something she did dream, but she's making it like
Speaker 1: you tried to kill me last night. It's not saying
Speaker 1: the full thought. And I'm giving her a lot of
Speaker 1: credit here because I could just let everyone think she's batship.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you that I think the
Speaker 1: first time I ever like show the skinny goll cocktail
Speaker 1: was that this guy Robert Verity a stylist studio somewhere,
Speaker 1: and maybe it didn't air. I think it did. But
Speaker 1: when I saw her in the scene, it might have
Speaker 1: been one of the first times I met her, or
Speaker 1: she was there. I don't remember. I gotta go back
Speaker 1: and look, but I think I said something about like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and a leprecn is not going to come
Speaker 1: out of a rainbow with a satchel of gold at
Speaker 1: the end or something. I think I said something to
Speaker 1: her at some point, And I also think somewhere along
Speaker 1: the lines, and I don't remember saying this, and I
Speaker 1: don't know I never talked about al Sharpton, so I
Speaker 1: don't know what context it's in, but it's like the
Speaker 1: way deep deep memory of my life that maybe somewhere
Speaker 1: something I said something so she like brought it up
Speaker 1: in the scene that I'm saying, you can't handle the
Speaker 1: truth is from a few good men as you know.
Speaker 1: But I think that maybe she thinks because I've referenced
Speaker 1: al Sharpton somewhere else that I said, like I'm giving
Speaker 1: her the credit for that. Those two things, you know,
Speaker 1: they were like confused here we are, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like these disassociated, disassociative thoughts. And she said something
Speaker 1: about I of myself. Sometimes I never remember the things
Speaker 1: that I say. So I'm watching this person talk and
Speaker 1: like sometimes I laugh at my own stuff, and I say,
Speaker 1: something's wrong with you? And she says, I don't, Like
Speaker 1: I said, that's not an illness. Very good, it's very
Speaker 1: very good. See, I don't think I played. I'd be
Speaker 1: much more like Alex. I think so or something in
Speaker 1: the in this In an episode like this, I don't
Speaker 1: think I could engage on on that level. You're so quick, Um,
Speaker 1: that's my level. I'm used to grow up with a
Speaker 1: crazy like house and everyone loved. It's funny that the
Speaker 1: more obvious lines of people love like your cuckoo for
Speaker 1: cuckoo for Coco puffs, that to me, like everyone loves that,
Speaker 1: and that's fine and funny, but that's not to me,
Speaker 1: you know, watching it, like that's just a throw away.
Speaker 1: You know, I think with the go to sleep, like,
Speaker 1: I think I was just reacting, meaning I didn't know
Speaker 1: that was going to be this iconic line, but it's
Speaker 1: you're screaming for the audience in that moment. I look
Speaker 1: at look at you. Wow, June. Okay, I like that
Speaker 1: very and so you are. It's the Greek for it.
Speaker 1: You are saying what we are all saying, because I
Speaker 1: think if I'm not, she goes away and that's and
Speaker 1: then she comes back, right, she comes back with the
Speaker 1: gummy bears, and I think it's after that that they
Speaker 1: go to sleep happens. And that is just how we
Speaker 1: feel as an audience watching just we just wanted to
Speaker 1: go to sleep. We just wanted to go and get
Speaker 1: some rest and stop because it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: going well, and she's gonna keep saying things and it's
Speaker 1: going to keep getting worse for her, and she's going
Speaker 1: to regret this tomorrow, and so there's a feeling from
Speaker 1: her like she's being forced to stay and talk. But
Speaker 1: that's not the case. Everyone else is like going to sleep,
Speaker 1: and so that's why it doesn't feel vicious. You're also laughing,
Speaker 1: you're kind of smiling when you say it, it's not
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like an attack. It feels like you're
Speaker 1: speaking for the audience as far as like get some
Speaker 1: fucking sleep. So what's happening now in the scene? And
Speaker 1: this is again what I believe, but I this is
Speaker 1: what it really is. So we're in the scene, you
Speaker 1: are aware whether it's going well or not. You may
Speaker 1: not know how not well, but if it feels weird inside,
Speaker 1: So I believe that this is a woman who was
Speaker 1: crying over the gift bag now at dinner and is
Speaker 1: having some sort of agitation, some feeling, saying things about
Speaker 1: channeling the devil and you're trying to kill me and
Speaker 1: this stuff. So now you've got on some subconscious level
Speaker 1: or conscious realize like this isn't going that well as
Speaker 1: you said, So you can leave and know that the
Speaker 1: format of this show is going to be for other
Speaker 1: people to continue to talk about this. So if you leave,
Speaker 1: you know that you're just going to be continually talked about.
Speaker 1: So I my belief is that it was like she
Speaker 1: tried to to leave but couldn't control the scene, Like
Speaker 1: couldn't control what was going here. So so so I
Speaker 1: had to like wanted to stay. It was like addicted
Speaker 1: to staying in the thing and digging in deeper, and
Speaker 1: it started to go really badly. And this is where
Speaker 1: the fans, after hearing this will probably like demand that
Speaker 1: Bravo releases the Trump tapes. Like this is where she
Speaker 1: starts saying Matt Anderson as the producer, and she starts
Speaker 1: with the gummy bears. And I remember, like it was yesterday,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like I have, I literally built
Speaker 1: a career on not forgetting a godsamn thing. Was had
Speaker 1: the gummy bears and was going Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt,
Speaker 1: Matt to stop the scene, but like repeally Matt Matt,
Speaker 1: Matt Matt. Because it wasn't the days where Denise Richards
Speaker 1: at dinner could say Bravo production and they would just
Speaker 1: air that. Back then, that was breaking the fourth wall,
Speaker 1: and you did not break the fourth wall, and you
Speaker 1: did not air that there's a camera or a producer
Speaker 1: or paparazzi, like because you've got paparazzi because of the show.
Speaker 1: So it's too meta. Like now they'll just show anything
Speaker 1: and show real and show a camera falling in Nini's
Speaker 1: closet or something like that, do really talk. So so
Speaker 1: then someone saying Matt to try to stop, like to
Speaker 1: stop the scene. She was like, stop the scene, Matt, Matt, Matt.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not going to stop the scene. So
Speaker 1: what also never happens on reality television is that they
Speaker 1: stopped the scene something was wrong, Like we thought that
Speaker 1: something had gone wrong and it was way worse than
Speaker 1: what was aired, so we stopped shooting. That's when everyone
Speaker 1: started eating crab cakes and like, it was crazy. Stop shooting,
Speaker 1: not right after the Matt thing, but like very very
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, like it had gone pretty clear. Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: closely after the Matt thing. Pretty closely it did work work.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy, but it wasn't like she
Speaker 1: was just she wasn't just saying like production, but the
Speaker 1: way that she's like, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt,
Speaker 1: like it was further to what had been spiraling. So
Speaker 1: we all were just a little unsettled. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of stress because if you see the previous for
Speaker 1: the next week, you see how Alex is crying and
Speaker 1: she's like, we've all been through a lot, Like we
Speaker 1: we were through a lot more than you saw, and
Speaker 1: I thought I was positive she Darren Wore took her
Speaker 1: on an airplane and he got to sit first class
Speaker 1: with her, which doesn't happen. Producers don't sit on the
Speaker 1: plane first class next to her to accompany her on
Speaker 1: the plane, and took her home. And I was under
Speaker 1: the impression that she would absolutely not be on the
Speaker 1: show anymore, because I felt that it was irresponsible for
Speaker 1: her to continue on the show. I was under the
Speaker 1: impression that she was going home right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I was under the impression that that something was
Speaker 1: going to happen. Yeah, that's the impression that I had
Speaker 1: because what we had all seen, um and that happens
Speaker 1: a lot. Like years later in Colombia, we are on
Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible boat accident that we like literally almost died,
Speaker 1: and it was weeks of meetings with Bravo that don't
Speaker 1: make it to ship goes down and we're like that
Speaker 1: was not accepted, Like so this was really something for
Speaker 1: all of us. And so when I we were filming
Speaker 1: next week and she was filming, I was like, what
Speaker 1: where I was green and people hadn't yet gone to
Speaker 1: prison and had fraudulent husbands and been having Hansi schemes
Speaker 1: like it was early in the game. I thought that
Speaker 1: this was not a reason to keep filming with someone.
Speaker 1: But that's what makes these shows, I guess do well.
Speaker 1: But like there's a line for me, and that was
Speaker 1: the line for me. So how did you guys remember
Speaker 1: how the scene ends on the show and the aired version.
Speaker 1: I think it just sort of ends. The ends go
Speaker 1: to sleep and it's like it kind of ends, and
Speaker 1: then I guess you get us home the next time,
Speaker 1: like talking about it, I guess after it just sort
Speaker 1: of ends. So that's there's the note. Kelly leaves a
Speaker 1: note saying I'm going to go home. Yeah, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: So that that was that. And also to give vindication
Speaker 1: to Kelly, she's not friends with Gwyneth Paltrow and she
Speaker 1: was asked by Andy Cohen on the show do you
Speaker 1: know Gwyneth? Do you know Kelly? And Gwenna said no,
Speaker 1: But I'm also going to put myself under the bus
Speaker 1: and for to be accountable when she's like and what
Speaker 1: you said about my friend Gwynneth years ago, when Gwyneth
Speaker 1: was like cooking going on a tour with Mario Batali
Speaker 1: when I used to say Synarchi things for the sake
Speaker 1: of saying them. And I don't know why I said
Speaker 1: I'd rather put hot pennies on my eyes than eat
Speaker 1: a roast chicken. For Gwyneth Paltrow, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said it. I don't know anything about her roast chicken.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said it, just like I
Speaker 1: don't know why I said it because I don't know
Speaker 1: Gwyneth and I don't know what her chickens like. And
Speaker 1: it probably was when you first started out and you
Speaker 1: didn't realize that, like this is before Twitter, before Instagram.
Speaker 1: You just thought you could just say something in a blog.
Speaker 1: It was in a blog or something. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It just it makes no sense. So I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: but that's also it's based in something connected to something,
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense, because I want, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: so meaning? And I do I do? You know, well,
Speaker 1: I do think they should show this actual footage. I
Speaker 1: think it's very interesting. I know they would ever will,
Speaker 1: but I'd love to see They probably will. They probably will.
Speaker 1: I think the fans will come. Yeah, because I forgot
Speaker 1: about it, so now I forget you this experience reminded
Speaker 1: me se a question as first crossing the line between
Speaker 1: reality television and reality? Uh was that? Would you say
Speaker 1: that that and then you mentioned the boat episode. Would
Speaker 1: you say those were like sort of the two kind
Speaker 1: of moments in your history on the show that were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is actually too real for reality television. Yes, that
Speaker 1: was because you're very like you always seem to be
Speaker 1: very much like, no, we should show what's real, like like,
Speaker 1: let's have the conversation on camera, that's why we're sucking
Speaker 1: here doing the show, Like why wouldn't we do this
Speaker 1: on the show. So it's interesting to hear you say
Speaker 1: like there's a point where it's like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's right. Well, because the show is just add
Speaker 1: water to those gremlins, Like it's a concentrated situation. You're
Speaker 1: not quote unquote really friends with these people, but you're
Speaker 1: having discussions and friendly while you're filming their colleagues effectively,
Speaker 1: So you know, people always like is it real? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is happening is real, but you know you're in
Speaker 1: the room with someone that you would not normally be
Speaker 1: in the room with. So this combination, which is you know,
Speaker 1: designed by casting and sometimes successfully and sometimes otherwise, you know,
Speaker 1: can be challenging, and like I said, I've I've felt
Speaker 1: before while filming this show that the game is moving fast,
Speaker 1: that you're you're you're not driving, you're like out of
Speaker 1: control with no breaks, you know, and that feels wrong,
Speaker 1: and we all get excited and into the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I felt that this was something going on with with
Speaker 1: someone else. And I've also felt that with substance substances,
Speaker 1: with wanting people to drink, and no one pushes anyone
Speaker 1: to do anything that's not at all, But I have
Speaker 1: felt there's been articles about it, like it's sort of
Speaker 1: dramas happening when someone who shouldn't be over consuming is
Speaker 1: over consuming and it's capitalizing on that, and it makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. You and Kelly have never spoken about Have
Speaker 1: you guys ever talked about that episode and what happened there?
Speaker 1: Like off camera, like obviously there's the reunions, but you
Speaker 1: guys ever, like never, She's written me emails and texts
Speaker 1: of let's bury the hatchet and let's be you know,
Speaker 1: and then I've written a kind response back because you
Speaker 1: always think everything's gonna be fine and then but The
Speaker 1: problem is housewives always then have an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: back on in the press and then they just they
Speaker 1: want to like say something about you. And and she's
Speaker 1: really talked about this experience ad nauseum over the years,
Speaker 1: and so I guess I'm doing this now, but it's
Speaker 1: it's been yeah. No, I just it was not the
Speaker 1: right combination. And I was going to say this to
Speaker 1: you too, that um. What's interesting is that she wasn't
Speaker 1: on the show much longer than I left because she
Speaker 1: was more entertained. She and Jill are better on the show.
Speaker 1: If I'm on the show, if Kelly is just with
Speaker 1: everybody who's like, oh she's dizzy and funny and who
Speaker 1: can't like the rub between Kelly is much more elevated
Speaker 1: when she's with me because of the way that she
Speaker 1: that I you know, she just got under my skin
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So like combination is better, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You need you need the two people
Speaker 1: in a scene that really you need you and and
Speaker 1: what Mr Waterford June and Mr Waterford? So are you?
Speaker 1: Von who plays Serena, said this past season. She said
Speaker 1: that Serena is nothing without June. From her perspective as Serena.
Speaker 1: Serena feels that she is ultimately nothing without June. You
Speaker 1: have to have the foe, you have to have the conflict,
Speaker 1: and they also have to be somebody who can, you know,
Speaker 1: provide that drama. You know that, And you're right whatever
Speaker 1: it is in season, which I think Kelly is right.
Speaker 1: I think Kelly is in season, yes, but she's in
Speaker 1: Morocco with them, and I don't. I'm out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not. It's not the same totally. Do you notice
Speaker 1: because you don't watch as much anymore? I don't watch
Speaker 1: as much anymore either. Do you notice the difference in
Speaker 1: um like glam and orchestrated outfits? And does it feel
Speaker 1: more scripted when you're watching housewives now? Like do you
Speaker 1: notice that we were literally just dressing like a wreck
Speaker 1: like you, like you would wear on vacation like me?
Speaker 1: You know, you're half a wreck. You're just like on vocation,
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Totally total. You can definitely
Speaker 1: feel that it feels very raw. And I've skipped ahead
Speaker 1: because I was wondering when you came went on my
Speaker 1: rewatch in my research over the past few days. I
Speaker 1: skipped ahead because I was like ringing Bethany come back.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of those people. There's many of us
Speaker 1: fans who like the Bethany seasons the most, and so
Speaker 1: I've seen it obviously, but I skipped forward and then
Speaker 1: you came back like three seasons later, right, And you
Speaker 1: can even tell, I feel you would know the reality
Speaker 1: of it. But I can tell a difference even between
Speaker 1: season three and like season seven of how even just
Speaker 1: like it's shot a little better, everyone looks great, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a glossiness to it. Was
Speaker 1: the difference between three and seven. Well, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things. Because the first, in the beginning, there was
Speaker 1: no glam. I mean, you know, if you went out
Speaker 1: to a major event, just like I guess in life,
Speaker 1: you know, I would go to the Bloomingdale's counter to
Speaker 1: shush McAvoy counter and buy ass and just say, let's
Speaker 1: not dance around. How many products do I have to
Speaker 1: buy on my seven thousand dollars salary for the whole
Speaker 1: season of Housewives? Do what do I have to buy to?
Speaker 1: Like for you to put makeup on me? Let's just
Speaker 1: get that out of the way. No foreplay, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the thing it's fifty seventy two lip glasses, just make
Speaker 1: up my face and it didn't matter who did it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a difference in good glam
Speaker 1: bag lamp. Someone did your phrase, then you didn't went
Speaker 1: to one of the events. The idea that every day
Speaker 1: to be filmed, that you would be in makeup, hair
Speaker 1: and makeup was or clothing that you thought about was preposterous.
Speaker 1: I was in a Ralph Lauren like thrift store turquoise
Speaker 1: sweater in the interviews and no makeup on like so
Speaker 1: now Erica Jane and you know Dord and these costumes
Speaker 1: and it's totally different. But to answer your question coming back,
Speaker 1: I knew a friend this is T inside T so
Speaker 1: I knew a friend who knew christin Takeman, who was
Speaker 1: one of the new housewives, and he said to me,
Speaker 1: her husband, who's a friend of his, says, she's in
Speaker 1: hair and makeup every day scenes. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not going to be good because then it's not
Speaker 1: about what you look like, like it's about what we're
Speaker 1: talking about in the content versus like if you're focused
Speaker 1: first season in on your shoes and your elaborate outfits,
Speaker 1: which you could see in the way they were dressing.
Speaker 1: Then you're not you're losing the plot. So I remember
Speaker 1: coming back and we were in the Berkshires and everybody
Speaker 1: had glam team, glam teams and big major outfits like
Speaker 1: we're in the Berkshire's. You're not going anywhere. Who's wearing
Speaker 1: a ball skirt in the Berkshire. So it was annoying
Speaker 1: because I remember calling Andy, I mean, like, what is this.
Speaker 1: It's not really but there's everyone's got a glam team
Speaker 1: or not, like oh yeah, And when you're in good
Speaker 1: one not doing it you then you look like ship
Speaker 1: like Denise Richards when she was on the show, coming
Speaker 1: in like a normal person in shorts, but everybody's in
Speaker 1: a massive gone at the wind costume. So you gotta
Speaker 1: don't hit the players. You gotta start put makeup on
Speaker 1: because then you feel the pressure. Well, I can't get
Speaker 1: up and just be a normal person and come down
Speaker 1: and get coffee as if I didn't go through hair
Speaker 1: and makeup, but these six other women have just gone through,
Speaker 1: you know, two hours of here and makeup. Yeah, Amazon,
Speaker 1: But in season three, like you have like even I
Speaker 1: think it happens in in scary Island. In that episode
Speaker 1: of the one right after Um where they wake Sonya up,
Speaker 1: you know, and she's clearly asleep, but no one's there's clear.
Speaker 1: It's very real. It feels everyone looks like shit, and
Speaker 1: I love it because it's yeah, yeah, But the Glamazons
Speaker 1: came in and the whole thing changed, and it's one
Speaker 1: of the things I like looking real, Like, let's be
Speaker 1: women are watching that that look real. That our home
Speaker 1: then of times, but their makeup on. So let's wearing jeans,
Speaker 1: people are wearing tanktops, people are wearing normal clothes. They're
Speaker 1: not constantly dressed to the nines. Even when you go
Speaker 1: to a party, it's like, you have a nice dress,
Speaker 1: but it's to get the feeling. We probably bought that
Speaker 1: dress somewhere. It wasn't like something a stylist getting you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a much better feeling. I prefer I
Speaker 1: prefer that. But I need to point out I'm very swollen.
Speaker 1: My best friend says, when you're having a girl, you
Speaker 1: like blow up and become like you don't even look
Speaker 1: like yourself. And I I noticed it. My my daughter
Speaker 1: was like, you look pretty. I'm like, I love you,
Speaker 1: but I look like a beating because I'm pregnant and
Speaker 1: we're doing that. You do not look at all. Well
Speaker 1: we're doing in you know, in the interview shot not
Speaker 1: the main thing in the intry, in the purple, in
Speaker 1: the purple, because that shot months later, when you picking pickups,
Speaker 1: you still do that looks like a beast. But it's
Speaker 1: not my best and I'm okay, it's so it's not
Speaker 1: my best. Um, well, I don't want to, I don't.
Speaker 1: I look, this is the longest project you've ever done,
Speaker 1: and the longest interview I've ever done, and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: it went so but I've most done. My public was
Speaker 1: texted me and she was like, good luck. She was like,
Speaker 1: have fun. It's all downhill from here with your press,
Speaker 1: and she's not wrong. I truly am such a huge fan.
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