Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Oh my, all sorts of news today. Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers to the Jets is official. I'll get to that
Speaker 2: in a second. Mike Silver will join me. Went to
Speaker 2: col knows Aaron Rodgers. That's something, right, Mike, so was great.
Speaker 2: Let me start with this word that the Aaron Fox,
Speaker 2: the gifted guard for the Sacramento Kings, his shooting hand
Speaker 2: is injured and he may miss game five. When I
Speaker 2: heard this, I just imagined all the Golden State Warrior
Speaker 2: haters saying, oh my god, another break for this franchise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like when they were in the final against Toronto and
Speaker 2: four starters were injured. The Warriors dynasty, outside of year
Speaker 2: one with Kevin Durant in the bay, they've all had
Speaker 2: obstacles multiple times missing players. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2: Game three, they were missing Draymon and Gary Peyton. Peyton
Speaker 2: was sick, Draymond unjustly ejected and suspended for the game,
Speaker 2: and they had their best defensive effort so far. The
Speaker 2: Warriors dynasty is based on a lot of things. One
Speaker 2: of them is great adaptable coaching and culture. So when
Speaker 2: they miss Gary Peyton and Draymond Green, they make some changes.
Speaker 2: The role players play over their skis at a little
Speaker 2: above their ceiling, and they rolled to a win over
Speaker 2: the Kings. If they can't play with de Aaron Fox
Speaker 2: at seventy five percent, than it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 2: Every great team has had multiple obstacles. It was never easy.
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's Bulls in ninety eight had to go to
Speaker 2: Vegas and pull Dennis Rodman out of a bed because
Speaker 2: he took a hiatus in the middle of a finals.
Speaker 2: Go read Jeff Pearlman's great book Three Ring Circus on
Speaker 2: the Kobe Shack infighting that Phil Jackson had to deal
Speaker 2: with Lebron and Kyrie in Cleveland butted heads the last
Speaker 2: year in Ohio. It's just part of it. The NBA
Speaker 2: is built on stars. You're dealing with suspensions and egos
Speaker 2: and injuries in a long season all the time. If
Speaker 2: you can't win a game at home with a less
Speaker 2: than one hundred percent, the Aaron Fox wasn't meant to
Speaker 2: be and you're not a championship team. But to ignore
Speaker 2: the many injury and obstacles the Warriors have faced is
Speaker 2: being absolutely dishonest. Go win the game you're at home.
Speaker 2: Malik Monk has been a very nice offensive player in
Speaker 2: the series. D Aaron Fox may not play or he
Speaker 2: may less than one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Deal with it.
Speaker 2: Last year the Warriors won of finals. Clay Thompson coming
Speaker 2: off an injury, couldn't really defend and it was about
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of who Clay Thompson was this regular season.
Speaker 2: All Right, Aaron Rodgers going to the New York Jets
Speaker 2: is official. The draft picks were around what most people speculated.
Speaker 2: Nobody won the trade. I mean, you can argue the
Speaker 2: Jets won the trade because they get Aaron Rodgers. I
Speaker 2: think my takeaway is that I've always said that once
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback comes in, I will give him a
Speaker 2: year and a half year. Two Thanksgiving. You will know
Speaker 2: what you have now. It used to be you gave
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback two full years. Bill Pollian would say three.
Speaker 2: But with seven on seven summer camps, the personal quarterback coaching,
Speaker 2: I'll give you to Thanksgiving your second year in the league.
Speaker 2: But it is different with Jordan Love. Jordan Love has
Speaker 2: been in the building for three years. I will give
Speaker 2: Jordan Love until Thanksgiving. This year, you'll know by getting
Speaker 2: another second round pick the Packers can pick up a
Speaker 2: wide receiver in the first round, an edge rusher, and
Speaker 2: a tight end in the second. It's an incredibly deep
Speaker 2: edge rusher and tight end draft, so the Packers should
Speaker 2: be able to get three starters in their first three picks,
Speaker 2: and that's what they're going to go after in what order.
Speaker 2: I have no idea wide receiver, tight end, and edge rusher.
Speaker 2: It is not a deep one receiver class. There is
Speaker 2: one receiver maybe two in the first round, and the
Speaker 2: Packers have the thirteenth pick. So my guess is they
Speaker 2: go for the best receiver out of Ohio State. Then
Speaker 2: they probably get a tight end in an edge rusher
Speaker 2: in round two. Those are all going to be high
Speaker 2: rotation or starting players. Then you draft and develop the
Speaker 2: rest of the draft. This is a team that is
Speaker 2: ready to win football games. Okay, we know Minnesota is
Speaker 2: not going eleven to zero in one score games. We
Speaker 2: don't know if Chicago's any good and Detroit, though improved,
Speaker 2: is Detroit with that gambling scandal. Who knows who's going
Speaker 2: to be available in September. But this team is ready
Speaker 2: to win or at least be competent. Jordan Love is
Speaker 2: inheriting a top ten offensive line, two more than capable
Speaker 2: running backs, one a borderline star Christian Watson is an
Speaker 2: emerging star at wide receiver, an offensive coach. They need
Speaker 2: an edge rusher. They have a Pro Bowl corner, good
Speaker 2: interior defensive linemen, excellent young safeties. You can't win nine
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Speaker 1: I just want to be calling in the audience when
Speaker 1: Draymond takes home the trophy.
Speaker 3: I know for the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin, I know you remember a year ago, or
Speaker 1: a little more than a year ago, we were on
Speaker 1: together when the DeVante Adams trade happened to the Raiders
Speaker 1: and we were like, whoa, you know, because that was
Speaker 1: a little more sudden. But yeah, this is I think
Speaker 1: it's an exciting day and I don't want to gloss
Speaker 1: over this. For Jets fans, this is awesome. The Jets
Speaker 1: are getting one of the best quarterbacks of all time,
Speaker 1: possibly with years left. They have a team that was
Speaker 1: good enough to almost make the playoffs last year despite
Speaker 1: injuries and Zach Wilson being the quarterback for a lot
Speaker 1: of it, and Aaron knows this offense intimately because Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Hacketts now the coordinators. So people might say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: great for the Packers, it's win when that We could
Speaker 1: get into all of that, but it's not win when
Speaker 1: the Jets win the day today.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, this isn't perfectly analogous, but I've three
Speaker 2: times traveled cross country and took a new job. The
Speaker 2: first year, whether you're talented or not, with new environment
Speaker 2: is hard, it's choppy. I hope Aaron plays for a
Speaker 2: second year. First of all, new defensive coordinators, new conference,
Speaker 2: new environment, it's everything, new neighborhood. And if you go
Speaker 2: look at Aaron's history first year starting the league, little bumpy,
Speaker 2: first year with Hackett, little bumpy. I think he's going
Speaker 2: to do really well. I kind of feel like it's
Speaker 2: a ten seven eleven six team. I think it's I
Speaker 2: think their schedule is not the easiest. No, but what's
Speaker 2: a realistic expectation to you?
Speaker 1: That's a great question, because if you look at it
Speaker 1: on paper, you say, the AFC is a gauntlet, right,
Speaker 1: and the AFC certainly is not going to be easy,
Speaker 1: and they are the Jets. They do have some dudes.
Speaker 1: I mean, both rookies of the year. Brice Hall was
Speaker 1: that good before he got hurt. Elijah or Tucker was
Speaker 1: hurt last year. You know, they've they've got some dudes,
Speaker 1: and I think they will play pretty good defense. You know,
Speaker 1: you're right about year one because that was the case
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, which was year one in the laflor
Speaker 1: Hacket offense, and they did go thirteen and three and
Speaker 1: reach the NFC Championship Game with a very good team,
Speaker 1: but it was not humming offensively the way that you
Speaker 1: would expected Aaron Rodgers team to. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I look at far his first year there, which everyone
Speaker 1: revisioned his history thinks sucked, and then he went to
Speaker 1: Minnesota and was really good. But Farv had those Jets
Speaker 1: eight and three right up in playoff contention, he was
Speaker 1: an MVP contention. He suffered an arm injury that essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, made him noodle arm the rest of that year,
Speaker 1: and it didn't go great. But this is going to
Speaker 1: give them a real jolt. And franchise quarterbacks affect teams
Speaker 1: in ways that go beyond what most of us see
Speaker 1: It just changes the energy and the vibe of the organization.
Speaker 1: It lends a credibility to the the meetings, the practices internally,
Speaker 1: and you know he's going to pull a game or
Speaker 1: two out that the Jets aren't used to pulling out,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna potentially snowball. So I think playoffs is
Speaker 1: a very realistic, you know possibility. I think once you're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs with Aaron Rodgers, if you're peaking at
Speaker 1: the right time, that could be really, really exciting. And
Speaker 1: I guess the other thing I want to say, because
Speaker 1: it's confusing, right, I would if you told me, Hey,
Speaker 1: the Packers and Aaron Rodgers have decided to come back
Speaker 1: for one more year, I wouldn't be as wildly upbeat
Speaker 1: about the Packers that Here's why, I just don't think
Speaker 1: you'd be getting the same guy in Green Tromp. The
Speaker 1: guy they had last year was is not the guy
Speaker 1: that I expect the Jets to be getting today. And
Speaker 1: that's not fair necessarily to the Packers, but it is
Speaker 1: a reality. And that's why I think Jets fan should
Speaker 1: be fired up.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think all relationships can run their course,
Speaker 2: and I think the Green Bay situation. There was a
Speaker 2: lack of trust on both sides. There was a little
Speaker 2: bit of animosity for different reasons. I think you'll get
Speaker 2: I think you'll get a highly focused and energized erin
Speaker 2: I hope it's for two years, and I do think
Speaker 2: the Jets will be a viable team year ones are difficult,
Speaker 2: as I've said, for a lot of situations. You know,
Speaker 2: it's interesting with Jordan Love, I don't know what we have.
Speaker 2: Here's the good news. He's been there three years. The
Speaker 2: size is not an issue. He's a big kid that
Speaker 2: moves well. If he was in I mean, if you
Speaker 2: took Jordan Love today, even with what little we've seen
Speaker 2: after Bryce Young, he'd be the number two pick in
Speaker 2: the draft. Right Like, there's stuff there. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he can step to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 2: audible in and out of stuff. I don't know. Trailing
Speaker 2: late in the game, third and eleven, you know, how
Speaker 2: is he equipped to do that? I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but I will say this, it's a good team that
Speaker 2: needs another receiver, another tight end and an edge rusher.
Speaker 2: And I talked to two gms last week that said
Speaker 2: it's the best tight end class in years and the
Speaker 2: best edge rusher class in years. So I do feel
Speaker 2: like this, Mike, I've always believed years ago you gave
Speaker 2: a quarterback three years, But now the seven on seven camps.
Speaker 2: In private coaching, I always say Thanksgiving of year two,
Speaker 2: you know what you have. But Jordan Loves been there
Speaker 2: for three years. I feel like we'll know by Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: what kind of we have eight nine games in there'll
Speaker 2: be a set Because the NFC, Mike, it's not a gauntlet.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of do wus in this conference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's realistic.
Speaker 1: You know, I came from a different era where quarterbacks
Speaker 1: almost always sat, and when they didn't, they took lumps
Speaker 1: as great as they were Aikman everyone but but Marino essentially.
Speaker 1: But you know that changed with Matt Ryan and Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco and and you know, for a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: you stated it's a it's a different landscape now. I'd
Speaker 1: say the good on Jordan Love is, Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: some definite upside. I remember one offensive coach I really
Speaker 1: respect telling me before the draft where Jordan Love was drafted,
Speaker 1: I would take this guy first overall. So there is
Speaker 1: something special about the package the early reviews were not good.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's it's not quite Trey Lance coming
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State or Carson Wentz, but it's a
Speaker 1: guy coming from a smaller program, more like Josh Allen right,
Speaker 1: And you know, early on, I think Packer coaches and
Speaker 1: players were kind of like, ah, man, if this guy
Speaker 1: has to play, you know, we're in real trouble. And
Speaker 1: now again the standard is very high. So that's the
Speaker 1: good part. Maybe I think he from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: he has gotten a lot better. He has developed, he
Speaker 1: works at it. He's a good kid. There's some def
Speaker 1: it upside. I think the hard news is this delusion
Speaker 1: that many Packer fans seem to have in others that well,
Speaker 1: Aaron waited for three years.
Speaker 3: And look what happened.
Speaker 1: Like this has happened twice in NFL history where a
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback was succeeded immediately by
Speaker 1: another future first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback, and it
Speaker 1: was tumultuous both times. Montanaa young the Niners did not
Speaker 1: get nearly as many years out of that combined, the
Speaker 1: Packers somehow got fifteen to fifteen three decades of uninterrupted,
Speaker 1: transcendent quarterback play that could cover up all ills and
Speaker 1: pull games out of nowhere. And I just especially young
Speaker 1: Packer fans, I'm looking at you, guys, going you guys
Speaker 1: like it could work out well. They could be a
Speaker 1: well rounded team. Jordan Love could be good. The odds
Speaker 1: of having yet another transcendent quarterback just take the reins
Speaker 1: and keep it rolling.
Speaker 3: Are not good.
Speaker 1: And you're not going to notice that necessarily Week three
Speaker 1: and the third quarter against the Bears, when you're you know,
Speaker 1: marching down the field.
Speaker 3: But you're going to.
Speaker 1: Notice it in December on third and eighteen against a
Speaker 1: really good team. At times where Aaron and far before
Speaker 1: were able to just do insanely magical things. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be the case. And that's
Speaker 1: not a slight on Jordan Love. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: be realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Listen, if he was as good as a Burrow
Speaker 2: or a Maholmes, they would not have signed Aaron to
Speaker 2: an extension, right because there was drama three years ago.
Speaker 2: If he was as bad as Zach Wilson, they know
Speaker 2: it and it would have kept. So my takeaway, he's
Speaker 2: somewhere between twelve and twenty, he's probably in that mix.
Speaker 3: Which I mean it goes well, if it goes well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's somewhere between Kirk Cousins and Jimmy Garoppolo or
Speaker 2: you know, he's somewhere.
Speaker 1: But it's also possible that he is Zach Wilson. It
Speaker 1: just hasn't played a lot. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: a more mature person and all that, but like, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I hear you. Yeah, Like if it goes the
Speaker 1: way they are hoping it will go, and they've got
Speaker 1: good infrastructure around him, and mount Lein Floor is a
Speaker 1: really really good coach.
Speaker 3: I think he has a chance.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike, I think they're going to look like
Speaker 2: last year. They're going to be the nine and eight
Speaker 2: sort of level, but it's going to be the opposite.
Speaker 2: So with Aaron, he didn't want to work with the
Speaker 2: young receivers. They start slow, schedule weekends. They finished strong,
Speaker 2: I think because Jordan Love's going to be totally committed
Speaker 2: to the young guys and nobody has film on him.
Speaker 2: They're actually be pretty good team until Thanksgiving. At Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: the break you get film. People now have had their buys,
Speaker 2: and now I think people take stuff away from Jordan
Speaker 2: love that he had in the first eight or nine weeks.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to end up the same place.
Speaker 2: Last year's team did a pretty a team that would
Speaker 2: be sub five hundred and in the AFC, potentially above
Speaker 2: five hundred in the NFC. But it is his first year.
Speaker 2: The kid hasn't seen live bullets played from behind Sunday
Speaker 2: night games. I think a realistic expectation is Jets ten wins,
Speaker 2: Packers eight to nine. Feel about right to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's gonna have to have a tough, tough
Speaker 1: makeup because I remember being out on Aaron Rodgers Island
Speaker 1: his first year as a starter in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: when there was a lot of skepticism and because of
Speaker 1: my cal ties and the fact that you know the
Speaker 1: blind squirrel nut theory, I was right on this one
Speaker 1: and I had to weather that first year when he
Speaker 1: was six and ten. Now, he played really well a lot.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of close games he couldn't pull out.
Speaker 1: He had some injury stuff, so a lot of people
Speaker 1: were still very, very skeptical. After eight and nine he
Speaker 1: was obviously much much better, and then we had that
Speaker 1: epic playoff game against the Cardinals at Curt Order, and
Speaker 1: you know, I covered that game and remember like being
Speaker 1: pretty sure that we were seeing a guy who was
Speaker 1: going to ascend.
Speaker 2: So I thought the compensation was reasonable. It was mostly
Speaker 2: what we thought, which is, the Packers are either going
Speaker 2: to get a couple of two's or a two and
Speaker 2: a one if Aaron plays. I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: real winner. I guess I guess the winner is the
Speaker 2: team that gets Aaron Rodgers. But I didn't think. I
Speaker 2: didn't think the compensation it was sort of what we thought, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked it. I thought, you know, it was creative,
Speaker 1: there was some compromise. That swap of thirteen and fifteen
Speaker 1: was a good creative way to change the value both teams,
Speaker 1: you know, could have stared down longer, but there was
Speaker 1: good motivation to get it done. I thought, if you're
Speaker 1: the Packers, then you know you're getting rid of them.
Speaker 1: Thought Brian Gudikutz did a really nice job. I liked
Speaker 1: his haul all things considered. And if you're Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: and Robert sala A, you got to have them because
Speaker 1: you know you're coaching for your jobs presumably, and you
Speaker 1: know it's all set up for that and b I
Speaker 1: you know, I know the Jets just wanted some recognition
Speaker 1: that if he doesn't play that second year that they
Speaker 1: would have given up a lot, and now they have
Speaker 1: at least a little bit of protection that way. So
Speaker 1: I actually thought both gms did a really nice job
Speaker 1: of creatively splitting the difference and doing it in a
Speaker 1: timely manner.
Speaker 2: Give me your prediction on the New York media, which
Speaker 2: can lean ferocious and left. And Aaron Rodgers, who's now
Speaker 2: supporting Robert Kennedy. You know, he's the anti vaccine candidate. Like, listen,
Speaker 2: say what you want. There's two different ways to write
Speaker 2: the same story. Do you think it'll be a rough
Speaker 2: first year? What do you think Aaron, who's had some
Speaker 2: rabbit ears. You got the Daily News, the Times, the
Speaker 2: Outspoken Post, there's sports talk radio and New York can
Speaker 2: be brutal, wfan, wildly entertaining and outspoken. How do you
Speaker 2: think it goes year one?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I would I look at it
Speaker 1: the same way I look at any coach going into
Speaker 1: that market or anyone who's kind of, you know, thrown
Speaker 1: into it. If you win, it's gonna be awesome. You
Speaker 1: know Eric Mangini was on The Sopranos as mang Genius
Speaker 1: when he won early, Rex Ryan was loved, you know,
Speaker 1: through foot fetish scandal at all. It was all good
Speaker 1: and a lot of ways you could keep living off that.
Speaker 1: If it goes batterly and you appear to be defensive
Speaker 1: or out on a fringe or you know, combative, then
Speaker 1: it's a tougher place to have thin skin about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Aaron will or whoa derein has
Speaker 1: ways to communicate directly.
Speaker 3: It's a different era.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think if it goes well early,
Speaker 1: he will be getting a lot of love from those
Speaker 1: back pages and a lot of the you know, potential
Speaker 1: trigger points will be ah, well, you know he's got
Speaker 1: a different view on the vaccines, but he you see
Speaker 1: that pass on third and twelve, you know. But right
Speaker 1: if you know, if it's not going so well, then yeah,
Speaker 1: sure people are going to be looking for ways to
Speaker 1: uh poking proud and we'll be watching.
Speaker 2: So it does appear in the draft starting Thursday, Bryce
Speaker 2: Young goes number one. Will Levis now the betting markets
Speaker 2: think Will Levis is the number two pick. I'm going
Speaker 2: to throw something at you. You know, Robert ers Jimmersay,
Speaker 2: excuse me, you know, Jim Ersay, I'm going to throw
Speaker 2: something at you. I said, Will Levis is talented enough
Speaker 2: that your and we do this in our lives with
Speaker 2: purchases of a lot of things, convertible sports cars, vacations,
Speaker 2: that it is what you talk yourself into. I can
Speaker 2: see Ersay, Jim saying, Okay, I've been old and unathletic
Speaker 2: with Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan and expensive. But this
Speaker 2: kid is smart, mobile with a big arm. If you squint, Mike,
Speaker 2: you can see some Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3: Or Josh Allen leave.
Speaker 2: Well, but Josh Allen, you know, came from a small
Speaker 2: program and was raw. Will Levis isn't that raw? SEC
Speaker 2: football won seventeen games. And I think you can see
Speaker 2: what you want to. I can see Jim Ursay thinking
Speaker 2: not expensive moves like Andrew. Andrew was thick. This kid's thick.
Speaker 2: This kid's got a better arm. Mom went to Yale.
Speaker 2: I can see the colts moving up or crossing their fingers.
Speaker 2: But I think can you can you see Ersay? We
Speaker 2: know he likes quarterback because he talked about Bryce Young
Speaker 2: two months ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, quick aside. I'm I'm taking everyone's word for
Speaker 1: it that this kid's intelligent. But I got to tell you,
Speaker 1: as one of the members of the Mayophobia Society very publicly,
Speaker 1: the fact that he says that he puts mayonnaise in
Speaker 1: his coffee, apparently it makes me question just a lot
Speaker 1: of things about the world and about him. So I'm
Speaker 1: just going to chuck that one up to some weird
Speaker 1: outlier and assume that he's an intelligent guy. So on
Speaker 1: a serious note, Yeah, I do think or saying likes
Speaker 1: the idea of making a splash. I do think he
Speaker 1: has seen life without the quarterback situation, settled with a
Speaker 1: lot else to be excited about, and it has not
Speaker 1: been the life he's wanted as an owner. And I
Speaker 1: do think we do all talk ourselves into purchases, but
Speaker 1: if you could really get a franchise quarterback, I don't care. Man,
Speaker 1: Like you know, even the Rams with Stafford, who are
Speaker 1: probably like, yeah, we trade him now, go down, is
Speaker 1: worth it to them that they traded all that shot
Speaker 1: to get that Super Bowl season out of Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: And so I've always felt with the draft, look, if
Speaker 1: you want someone that badly, let alone a quarterback.
Speaker 3: And you're in a position to maybe do it. Dude,
Speaker 3: do it. Don't get cute.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you well, I hope he's there
Speaker 1: at five, you know, like, well, we might be able
Speaker 1: to trade to seven and get it. Just I say,
Speaker 1: when it's a quarterback you're that excited about, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Just go up and get him. Fine. Cool, even the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers like when they went up to three.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: You like someone that much. Good.
Speaker 1: Now it may turn out that Trey Lance doesn't end
Speaker 1: up being that good. It may turn out that he
Speaker 1: wasn't the one Kyle was thinking of when he made
Speaker 1: the trade. But that's a whole other story. But whatever,
Speaker 1: I love that process, right or wrong. If you're wrong,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be rough on your franchise. But you know,
Speaker 1: we mess one hundred percent of the shots we don't take.
Speaker 1: I think the only concern I have, and and the
Speaker 1: caveat to that, is because people get so worked up
Speaker 1: about the draft and we overvalue it in terms of
Speaker 1: impact as a culture and internally in the NFL. I
Speaker 1: think there's a tendency for all these months to get
Speaker 1: yourself worked into a ladder, and you talk yourself into it.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe if you looked at it more impassively
Speaker 1: and say, well, yeah, there's some good things about this kid,
Speaker 1: but his value probably is this. But you know, you
Speaker 1: met him, you had dinner with him, you saw him
Speaker 1: it his pro day. You're looking at the film and
Speaker 1: you need a quarterback, and you're like, man, I just
Speaker 1: love this guy. So you know, be careful doing that.
Speaker 1: But if you Jim Mersey and Chris Ballard and Shane
Speaker 1: Steichen are doing this and you've decided we really think
Speaker 1: this guy could be that, then I don't care if
Speaker 1: you trade up, go get him.
Speaker 2: Finally, the forty nine ers, I would regret not asking
Speaker 2: you this because you're so tied in. When they went
Speaker 2: and traded for Sam Donald, or acquired Sam Donald, I
Speaker 2: could argue Donald is a older version of Trey Lance, stocky, athletic,
Speaker 2: not aesthetically pleasing as a thrower or accurate on a
Speaker 2: consistent basis, but capable of playing making plays. He's a
Speaker 2: little Trey Lance, not always pretty, but can work and
Speaker 2: move the chains. And when they did that, Trey Lance
Speaker 2: was in trouble. The Sam Darnold acquisition, viewed by many,
Speaker 2: was just yeah, he'll just sit on the bench. But
Speaker 2: in fact they look at him as a guy that
Speaker 2: may start in September, and it probably signaled the end
Speaker 2: of Trey Lance in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I've revised my opinion and it is now more aligned
Speaker 1: with yours. I admit that when they first signed him,
Speaker 1: I thought, eh, you know, it's another guy, and you
Speaker 1: know they, unlike Lance, who they were so high on
Speaker 1: his intelligence still are Donald was never you know, aligned
Speaker 1: in that way with Kyle's thinking. In my opinion, I'm
Speaker 1: not calling Sam Donald unintelligent. I'm just saying it didn't
Speaker 1: pop out at people during the pre draft process, but
Speaker 1: there are a lot of similarities, including the exact position
Speaker 1: where they were drafted. But I now think this, based
Speaker 1: on how it has played out and based on who
Speaker 1: I've talked to, they are a little more excited about
Speaker 1: Sam Donald than I thought. And the way that I
Speaker 1: sub part of the way I know that is that
Speaker 1: this Trey Lance noise. It's one thing to answer a
Speaker 1: question and say, well, listen, we always listen to offers,
Speaker 1: but we think Trey is going to be on our team,
Speaker 1: which both Kyle Shanan and John Lynch did last month.
Speaker 1: But when a report comes out, it's like, hey, forty
Speaker 1: Niners are taking calls on Trey Lance and it's not
Speaker 1: immediately challenged by you know, Kyle could have texted me
Speaker 1: or someone else have been like that. I'm telling you, dude,
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. Excuse me, that's put it out. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. And so in my opinion, it's yes,
Speaker 1: they are listening to Trade Lance offers. No, those offers
Speaker 1: have not been close to good, or they wouldn't now be.
Speaker 3: Saying, well, we think Trade's gonna still be on our team.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 1: A good one could still come, but it hasn't. And
Speaker 1: I think they feel pretty good about Purty too to
Speaker 1: be in the Trey Lance fire sale market potentially, And
Speaker 1: maybe they won't. Maybe they'll just keep them and hold
Speaker 1: on to them for a you and try to develop them.
Speaker 2: Well, considering how raw trey Lance is, you can't keep
Speaker 2: the minute Purty is available to play. You can't be
Speaker 2: sharing snaps with three guys. Somebody is gonna get moved
Speaker 2: and it ain't. It's not gonna be pretty and Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: So to me, Trey Lance isn't a polished version of
Speaker 2: trey Lance. So the minute Pretty can take snaps and play,
Speaker 2: you have to move off one of them and get them.
Speaker 2: Real this franchise is a super Bowl roster. I still
Speaker 2: think it's the best roster in football, right yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they want the rookie deal or the cheap
Speaker 1: deal in terms of Darnold they want they want that
Speaker 1: model they and with Pretty healthy, they absolutely have it.
Speaker 1: But they want to pay Bosa. They want to pay
Speaker 1: as many guys as they can load up in this
Speaker 1: next year or two still and have a quarterback on
Speaker 1: a very cheap deal to make that work. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: Trey Lance over the offseason can wow them in a
Speaker 1: way that he clearly didn't last year, or they don't
Speaker 1: re sign Jimmy as a hedge. And I do think
Speaker 1: they have PTSD as they should from the NFC Championship game,
Speaker 1: but probably want three, though they may draft one or
Speaker 1: sign a rookie free agent coming up and that may
Speaker 1: end up being part.
Speaker 3: Of that equation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think, you know, look, they you know,
Speaker 1: they believe that there's something there with Trey Lance potentially,
Speaker 1: but they don't have time to wait, as you said.
Speaker 1: And I also one other thing, there's this weird. There's
Speaker 1: this thing where, well, Trey Lance is on the market,
Speaker 1: and hey, keep an eye on Houston and Tennessee. Tamiko
Speaker 1: was there and Slowick and Grant Cartho's the GM of Tennessee.
Speaker 1: If you were part of an organization that drafted a
Speaker 1: guy that high with that much investment, the three ones,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been stepping into that in a way
Speaker 1: that was satisfactory, you probably know more about Trey Lance
Speaker 1: than Joe Fan. And Joe Fan who's assuming, oh, well
Speaker 1: you Trey Lance was there with Ran Carthon. I think
Speaker 1: it makes it less likely that Tennessee or Houston comes
Speaker 1: and gets him if unless Ran privately or Demiico and
Speaker 1: slow It privately just thought Trey wasn't getting his chance
Speaker 1: and he was so good. Probably they're more aligned with
Speaker 1: what Kyle and John Lynch think and they're like, ah,
Speaker 1: hasn't shown it yet, So are you gonna like go
Speaker 1: out and blow the Niners away with like a two
Speaker 1: and try to get Trey. Lads, I think, don't look
Speaker 1: at those teams. Look at teams where they might not
Speaker 1: know as much.
Speaker 2: Yep, Mike Silver great insight on Trey Lance and the
Speaker 2: Niners quarterback situation. Aaron Rodgers as always and Jim Mersay,
Speaker 2: who he knows very very well.
Speaker 3: He was wearing number eight again. Colin.
Speaker 2: I just saw her there you go. I saw that.
Speaker 2: I see that, and all I think about is that
Speaker 2: game at the Coliseum.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, coming right to me in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I was finally gonna get my Rose Bowl. Colin should
Speaker 1: have got it that year anyway, but that's a long story.
Speaker 1: I think he completed twenty passes in a row. But
Speaker 1: she was tough, man. They were tough.
Speaker 2: I was at a wedding on the Columbia River in
Speaker 2: Oregon watching that game with having a cocktail at the backbar,
Speaker 2: and it was a and that was a good USC team.
Speaker 2: It was a red And remember back then, Aaron had
Speaker 2: kind of a stiffness to his to his drive, and
Speaker 2: we're all like, who's Aaron Rodgers? This guy looks great.
Speaker 1: I know, and that it really special teams won that game.
Speaker 1: That they had a return and they had some other
Speaker 1: special teams play. It was a great game. Cal was
Speaker 1: number three in the country at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: The Rose Bull wanted them desperately because that's he was
Speaker 1: going to the then BSTS title game. The Rose Bull
Speaker 1: wanted them desperately. It's our holy grail. Everybody wanted Cal,
Speaker 1: the Rose Bull. But all these rules that no longer exist,
Speaker 1: including Utah being good before the back twelve and notre deve.
Speaker 1: All these things happened, and then a hurricane delayed the
Speaker 1: Cal Southern Bist game, and then votes Mack Brown pandering
Speaker 1: for votes had somehow Cal ended up in the Holiday Bowl.
Speaker 1: Send me thoughts of prayers. I'm still not over it,
Speaker 1: but baby call it. Someday, someday before I die, Cal
Speaker 1: will go to the Rose Bowl, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Not counting on it.
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