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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Oh my, all sorts of news today. Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers to the Jets is official. I'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in a second. Mike Silver will join me. Went to

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Speaker 2: col knows Aaron Rodgers. That's something, right, Mike, so was great.

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Speaker 2: Let me start with this word that the Aaron Fox,

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Speaker 2: the gifted guard for the Sacramento Kings, his shooting hand

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Speaker 2: is injured and he may miss game five. When I

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Speaker 2: heard this, I just imagined all the Golden State Warrior

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Speaker 2: haters saying, oh my god, another break for this franchise. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like when they were in the final against Toronto and

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Speaker 2: four starters were injured. The Warriors dynasty, outside of year

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Speaker 2: one with Kevin Durant in the bay, they've all had

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Speaker 2: obstacles multiple times missing players. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 2: Game three, they were missing Draymon and Gary Peyton. Peyton

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Speaker 2: was sick, Draymond unjustly ejected and suspended for the game,

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Speaker 2: and they had their best defensive effort so far. The

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Speaker 2: Warriors dynasty is based on a lot of things. One

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Speaker 2: of them is great adaptable coaching and culture. So when

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Speaker 2: they miss Gary Peyton and Draymond Green, they make some changes.

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Speaker 2: The role players play over their skis at a little

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Speaker 2: above their ceiling, and they rolled to a win over

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Speaker 2: the Kings. If they can't play with de Aaron Fox

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Speaker 2: at seventy five percent, than it wasn't meant to be.

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Speaker 2: Every great team has had multiple obstacles. It was never easy.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's Bulls in ninety eight had to go to

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Speaker 2: Vegas and pull Dennis Rodman out of a bed because

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Speaker 2: he took a hiatus in the middle of a finals.

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Speaker 2: Go read Jeff Pearlman's great book Three Ring Circus on

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Speaker 2: the Kobe Shack infighting that Phil Jackson had to deal

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Speaker 2: with Lebron and Kyrie in Cleveland butted heads the last

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Speaker 2: year in Ohio. It's just part of it. The NBA

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Speaker 2: is built on stars. You're dealing with suspensions and egos

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Speaker 2: and injuries in a long season all the time. If

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Speaker 2: you can't win a game at home with a less

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Speaker 2: than one hundred percent, the Aaron Fox wasn't meant to

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Speaker 2: be and you're not a championship team. But to ignore

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Speaker 2: the many injury and obstacles the Warriors have faced is

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Speaker 2: being absolutely dishonest. Go win the game you're at home.

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Speaker 2: Malik Monk has been a very nice offensive player in

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Speaker 2: the series. D Aaron Fox may not play or he

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Speaker 2: may less than one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Deal with it.

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Speaker 2: Last year the Warriors won of finals. Clay Thompson coming

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Speaker 2: off an injury, couldn't really defend and it was about

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of who Clay Thompson was this regular season.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Aaron Rodgers going to the New York Jets

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Speaker 2: is official. The draft picks were around what most people speculated.

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Speaker 2: Nobody won the trade. I mean, you can argue the

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Speaker 2: Jets won the trade because they get Aaron Rodgers. I

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Speaker 2: think my takeaway is that I've always said that once

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback comes in, I will give him a

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Speaker 2: year and a half year. Two Thanksgiving. You will know

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Speaker 2: what you have now. It used to be you gave

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback two full years. Bill Pollian would say three.

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Speaker 2: But with seven on seven summer camps, the personal quarterback coaching,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you to Thanksgiving your second year in the league.

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Speaker 2: But it is different with Jordan Love. Jordan Love has

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Speaker 2: been in the building for three years. I will give

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love until Thanksgiving. This year, you'll know by getting

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Speaker 2: another second round pick the Packers can pick up a

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Speaker 2: wide receiver in the first round, an edge rusher, and

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Speaker 2: a tight end in the second. It's an incredibly deep

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Speaker 2: edge rusher and tight end draft, so the Packers should

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Speaker 2: be able to get three starters in their first three picks,

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Speaker 2: and that's what they're going to go after in what order.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea wide receiver, tight end, and edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: It is not a deep one receiver class. There is

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Speaker 2: one receiver maybe two in the first round, and the

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Speaker 2: Packers have the thirteenth pick. So my guess is they

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Speaker 2: go for the best receiver out of Ohio State. Then

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Speaker 2: they probably get a tight end in an edge rusher

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Speaker 2: in round two. Those are all going to be high

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Speaker 2: rotation or starting players. Then you draft and develop the

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Speaker 2: rest of the draft. This is a team that is

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Speaker 2: ready to win football games. Okay, we know Minnesota is

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Speaker 2: not going eleven to zero in one score games. We

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Speaker 2: don't know if Chicago's any good and Detroit, though improved,

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Speaker 2: is Detroit with that gambling scandal. Who knows who's going

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Speaker 2: to be available in September. But this team is ready

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Speaker 2: to win or at least be competent. Jordan Love is

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Speaker 2: inheriting a top ten offensive line, two more than capable

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Speaker 2: emerging star at wide receiver, an offensive coach. They need

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Speaker 2: an edge rusher. They have a Pro Bowl corner, good

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Speaker 2: interior defensive linemen, excellent young safeties. You can't win nine

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin, I know you remember a year ago, or

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Speaker 1: it's an exciting day and I don't want to gloss

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Speaker 1: over this. For Jets fans, this is awesome. The Jets

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Speaker 1: are getting one of the best quarterbacks of all time,

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Speaker 1: possibly with years left. They have a team that was

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Speaker 1: good enough to almost make the playoffs last year despite

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Speaker 1: injuries and Zach Wilson being the quarterback for a lot

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Speaker 1: of it, and Aaron knows this offense intimately because Nathaniel

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Speaker 1: Hacketts now the coordinators. So people might say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: great for the Packers, it's win when that We could

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Speaker 1: get into all of that, but it's not win when

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Speaker 1: the Jets win the day today.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, this isn't perfectly analogous, but I've three

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Speaker 2: times traveled cross country and took a new job. The

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Speaker 2: first year, whether you're talented or not, with new environment

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Speaker 2: is hard, it's choppy. I hope Aaron plays for a

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Speaker 2: second year. First of all, new defensive coordinators, new conference,

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Speaker 2: new environment, it's everything, new neighborhood. And if you go

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Speaker 2: look at Aaron's history first year starting the league, little bumpy,

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Speaker 2: first year with Hackett, little bumpy. I think he's going

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Speaker 2: to do really well. I kind of feel like it's

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Speaker 2: a ten seven eleven six team. I think it's I

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Speaker 2: think their schedule is not the easiest. No, but what's

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Speaker 2: a realistic expectation to you?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, because if you look at it

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Speaker 1: on paper, you say, the AFC is a gauntlet, right,

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Speaker 1: and the AFC certainly is not going to be easy,

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Speaker 1: and they are the Jets. They do have some dudes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, both rookies of the year. Brice Hall was

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Speaker 1: hurt last year. You know, they've they've got some dudes,

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Speaker 1: and I think they will play pretty good defense. You know,

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Speaker 1: reach the NFC Championship Game with a very good team,

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Speaker 1: but it was not humming offensively the way that you

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Speaker 1: I look at far his first year there, which everyone

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Speaker 1: and it didn't go great. But this is going to

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Speaker 1: give them a real jolt. And franchise quarterbacks affect teams

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Speaker 1: in ways that go beyond what most of us see

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Speaker 1: It just changes the energy and the vibe of the organization.

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Speaker 1: It lends a credibility to the the meetings, the practices internally,

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Speaker 1: and you know he's going to pull a game or

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna potentially snowball. So I think playoffs is

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Speaker 1: for one more year, I wouldn't be as wildly upbeat

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think all relationships can run their course,

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Speaker 2: and I think the Green Bay situation. There was a

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Speaker 2: I hope it's for two years, and I do think

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Speaker 2: as I've said, for a lot of situations. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting with Jordan Love, I don't know what we have.

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Speaker 2: Here's the good news. He's been there three years. The

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Speaker 2: moves well. If he was in I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: took Jordan Love today, even with what little we've seen

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Speaker 2: after Bryce Young, he'd be the number two pick in

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Speaker 2: the draft. Right Like, there's stuff there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: late in the game, third and eleven, you know, how

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Speaker 2: is he equipped to do that? I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: but I will say this, it's a good team that

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Speaker 2: needs another receiver, another tight end and an edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: And I talked to two gms last week that said

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Speaker 2: it's the best tight end class in years and the

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Speaker 2: best edge rusher class in years. So I do feel

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Speaker 2: like this, Mike, I've always believed years ago you gave

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Speaker 2: a quarterback three years, But now the seven on seven camps.

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Speaker 2: In private coaching, I always say Thanksgiving of year two,

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Speaker 2: you know what you have. But Jordan Loves been there

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Speaker 2: for three years. I feel like we'll know by Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: what kind of we have eight nine games in there'll

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Speaker 2: be a set Because the NFC, Mike, it's not a gauntlet.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of do wus in this conference.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mike, I think they're going to look like

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Speaker 2: The kid hasn't seen live bullets played from behind Sunday

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's gonna have to have a tough, tough

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Speaker 2: So I thought the compensation was reasonable. It was mostly

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Speaker 2: Give me your prediction on the New York media, which

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I would I look at it

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Aaron will or whoa derein has

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Speaker 3: It's a different era.

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Speaker 2: So it does appear in the draft starting Thursday, Bryce

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Speaker 2: Well, but Josh Allen, you know, came from a small

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Speaker 2: But I think can you can you see Ersay? We

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Speaker 1: wasn't the one Kyle was thinking of when he made

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Speaker 1: the trade. But that's a whole other story. But whatever,

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Speaker 1: I love that process, right or wrong. If you're wrong,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be rough on your franchise. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we mess one hundred percent of the shots we don't take.

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Speaker 1: I think the only concern I have, and and the

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Speaker 1: caveat to that, is because people get so worked up

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Speaker 1: about the draft and we overvalue it in terms of

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Speaker 1: impact as a culture and internally in the NFL. I

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00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: think there's a tendency for all these months to get

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Speaker 1: yourself worked into a ladder, and you talk yourself into it.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe if you looked at it more impassively

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Speaker 1: and say, well, yeah, there's some good things about this kid,

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Speaker 1: but his value probably is this. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: met him, you had dinner with him, you saw him

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Speaker 1: it his pro day. You're looking at the film and

447
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: you need a quarterback, and you're like, man, I just

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Speaker 1: love this guy. So you know, be careful doing that.

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Speaker 1: But if you Jim Mersey and Chris Ballard and Shane

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Speaker 1: Steichen are doing this and you've decided we really think

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Speaker 1: this guy could be that, then I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you trade up, go get him.

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Speaker 2: Finally, the forty nine ers, I would regret not asking

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Speaker 2: you this because you're so tied in. When they went

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Speaker 2: and traded for Sam Donald, or acquired Sam Donald, I

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00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: could argue Donald is a older version of Trey Lance, stocky, athletic,

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00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: not aesthetically pleasing as a thrower or accurate on a

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Speaker 2: consistent basis, but capable of playing making plays. He's a

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Speaker 2: little Trey Lance, not always pretty, but can work and

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00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: move the chains. And when they did that, Trey Lance

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00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: was in trouble. The Sam Darnold acquisition, viewed by many,

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00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: was just yeah, he'll just sit on the bench. But

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Speaker 2: in fact they look at him as a guy that

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Speaker 2: may start in September, and it probably signaled the end

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Speaker 2: of Trey Lance in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: I've revised my opinion and it is now more aligned

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Speaker 1: with yours. I admit that when they first signed him,

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00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I thought, eh, you know, it's another guy, and you

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00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: know they, unlike Lance, who they were so high on

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Speaker 1: his intelligence still are Donald was never you know, aligned

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00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: in that way with Kyle's thinking. In my opinion, I'm

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Speaker 1: not calling Sam Donald unintelligent. I'm just saying it didn't

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Speaker 1: pop out at people during the pre draft process, but

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of similarities, including the exact position

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Speaker 1: where they were drafted. But I now think this, based

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Speaker 1: on how it has played out and based on who

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Speaker 1: I've talked to, they are a little more excited about

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald than I thought. And the way that I

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Speaker 1: sub part of the way I know that is that

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Speaker 1: this Trey Lance noise. It's one thing to answer a

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Speaker 1: question and say, well, listen, we always listen to offers,

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Speaker 1: but we think Trey is going to be on our team,

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Speaker 1: which both Kyle Shanan and John Lynch did last month.

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Speaker 1: But when a report comes out, it's like, hey, forty

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Speaker 1: Niners are taking calls on Trey Lance and it's not

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Speaker 1: immediately challenged by you know, Kyle could have texted me

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Speaker 1: or someone else have been like that. I'm telling you, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's bullshit. Excuse me, that's put it out. You know,

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00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. And so in my opinion, it's yes,

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Speaker 1: they are listening to Trade Lance offers. No, those offers

491
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: have not been close to good, or they wouldn't now be.

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Speaker 3: Saying, well, we think Trade's gonna still be on our team.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: A good one could still come, but it hasn't. And

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Speaker 1: I think they feel pretty good about Purty too to

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Speaker 1: be in the Trey Lance fire sale market potentially, And

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Speaker 1: maybe they won't. Maybe they'll just keep them and hold

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Speaker 1: on to them for a you and try to develop them.

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Speaker 2: Well, considering how raw trey Lance is, you can't keep

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Speaker 2: the minute Purty is available to play. You can't be

501
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: sharing snaps with three guys. Somebody is gonna get moved

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00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: and it ain't. It's not gonna be pretty and Sam Darnold,

503
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Speaker 2: So to me, Trey Lance isn't a polished version of

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00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: trey Lance. So the minute Pretty can take snaps and play,

505
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: you have to move off one of them and get them.

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Speaker 2: Real this franchise is a super Bowl roster. I still

507
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Speaker 2: think it's the best roster in football, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they want the rookie deal or the cheap

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Speaker 1: deal in terms of Darnold they want they want that

510
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: model they and with Pretty healthy, they absolutely have it.

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Speaker 1: But they want to pay Bosa. They want to pay

512
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Speaker 1: as many guys as they can load up in this

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Speaker 1: next year or two still and have a quarterback on

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00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: a very cheap deal to make that work. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance over the offseason can wow them in a

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Speaker 1: way that he clearly didn't last year, or they don't

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Speaker 1: re sign Jimmy as a hedge. And I do think

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Speaker 1: they have PTSD as they should from the NFC Championship game,

519
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: but probably want three, though they may draft one or

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00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: sign a rookie free agent coming up and that may

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Speaker 1: end up being part.

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Speaker 3: Of that equation.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think, you know, look, they you know,

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Speaker 1: they believe that there's something there with Trey Lance potentially,

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00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: but they don't have time to wait, as you said.

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Speaker 1: And I also one other thing, there's this weird. There's

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Speaker 1: this thing where, well, Trey Lance is on the market,

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00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and hey, keep an eye on Houston and Tennessee. Tamiko

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00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: was there and Slowick and Grant Cartho's the GM of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: If you were part of an organization that drafted a

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Speaker 1: guy that high with that much investment, the three ones,

532
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been stepping into that in a way

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00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: that was satisfactory, you probably know more about Trey Lance

534
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: than Joe Fan. And Joe Fan who's assuming, oh, well

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Speaker 1: you Trey Lance was there with Ran Carthon. I think

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Speaker 1: it makes it less likely that Tennessee or Houston comes

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00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: and gets him if unless Ran privately or Demiico and

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00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: slow It privately just thought Trey wasn't getting his chance

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00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: and he was so good. Probably they're more aligned with

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Speaker 1: what Kyle and John Lynch think and they're like, ah,

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Speaker 1: hasn't shown it yet, So are you gonna like go

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: out and blow the Niners away with like a two

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Speaker 1: and try to get Trey. Lads, I think, don't look

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00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: at those teams. Look at teams where they might not

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Speaker 1: know as much.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Mike Silver great insight on Trey Lance and the

547
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Speaker 2: Niners quarterback situation. Aaron Rodgers as always and Jim Mersay,

548
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: who he knows very very well.

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Speaker 3: He was wearing number eight again. Colin.

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Speaker 2: I just saw her there you go. I saw that.

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Speaker 2: I see that, and all I think about is that

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Speaker 2: game at the Coliseum.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, coming right to me in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: I was finally gonna get my Rose Bowl. Colin should

555
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: have got it that year anyway, but that's a long story.

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Speaker 1: I think he completed twenty passes in a row. But

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Speaker 1: she was tough, man. They were tough.

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Speaker 2: I was at a wedding on the Columbia River in

559
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Speaker 2: Oregon watching that game with having a cocktail at the backbar,

560
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: and it was a and that was a good USC team.

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00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: It was a red And remember back then, Aaron had

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Speaker 2: kind of a stiffness to his to his drive, and

563
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: we're all like, who's Aaron Rodgers? This guy looks great.

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Speaker 1: I know, and that it really special teams won that game.

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Speaker 1: That they had a return and they had some other

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Speaker 1: special teams play. It was a great game. Cal was

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Speaker 1: number three in the country at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: The Rose Bull wanted them desperately because that's he was

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Speaker 1: going to the then BSTS title game. The Rose Bull

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Speaker 1: wanted them desperately. It's our holy grail. Everybody wanted Cal,

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bull. But all these rules that no longer exist,

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00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: including Utah being good before the back twelve and notre deve.

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Speaker 1: All these things happened, and then a hurricane delayed the

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Speaker 1: Cal Southern Bist game, and then votes Mack Brown pandering

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Speaker 1: for votes had somehow Cal ended up in the Holiday Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Send me thoughts of prayers. I'm still not over it,

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Speaker 1: but baby call it. Someday, someday before I die, Cal

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Speaker 1: will go to the Rose Bowl, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not counting on it.

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