1 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: That's a fun one for us. How good was Ken 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Griffy Junior? I say fun because he was one of 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: the most fun players to follow, both on and off 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: the field in a variety of marketing ways. Krats, it's amazing. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: I've been around him. How he's more popular than just 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: about anybody I've ever seen in our sport for a 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: former player. Still, I've called athlete showcase games right where 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: it's high schoolers and they're like, oh, Griffy's my favorite player. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're even close to burn when his career 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: ended and he's still that popular. 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: Whatever the kids say. Aura, you know, the fit of 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: his hat back in the day, like whatever it was 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: he had that, we're not even gonna get into his 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: stats yet. Yet he had all of that. And what's 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: the last scandal that you heard with kN Griffy Junior. 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: What's the last like tie to anything bad with kN 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: Griffy Junior that you heard throughout his career? Like that's 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: why I think, you know, he just gravitated the fact that, 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, the bubble gum, the big bubble. He was 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: wearing a hat backwards during the home run derby. I'm 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: sure he got a lot of flak for it. During 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: that time, people are probably like, oh, man, you know 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: he's too flashy. What's his problem? Why is he disrespecting 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: the hat? He was just going out there and he 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: had the sweetest, smoothest left handed swing. Everybody wanted to 26 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: hit like him, and he went out and did it 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: on the field. Like, once we get start getting into 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: his stats for him, you're gonna sit there and go whoa, 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: Like he was on a track to be the best 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: player of all time. 31 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be seen to KP while you're chatting, if 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: we don't mind, since we have mister centerfield or extraordinary 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: to talk about him. 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking about like his 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: his upbringing being a one to one being, you know, 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: legacy of a very successful having a very successful dad 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: in the big leagues. And not to mention the fact 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: he played with his dad, but to your point, as 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 3: someone who you know, grew up kind of playing all 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: over the diamond as a baseball player, but you know, 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: was predominantly an outfielder. When I got a little bit older, 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 3: I think a lot of I think about Ken Griffy 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: Junior in the same regards to a lot of kids, 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: maybe my age growing up to Randy Moss, like when 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: you went out in your backyard where you were in 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: your couch diving onto your bed, or to your in 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: your living room, diving onto your parents' couch. You know, 48 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: you talk about making a Ken Griffy Junior catch. You know, 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: much like in the backyard, me and my brother would 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: throw each other passes and try to keep our feet 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: in bounds and talk about being Randy Moss, like he 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: was just that cool. You know, everyone wanted to be him, 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 3: whether you played the outfield or not. And I'm sure Cratsy, 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: you're you know, we're around the same age. I'm sure 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: you did a lot of that with your friends or 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: your dad growing up. It's like if you went out 57 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: and made a play, it was Ken Griffy Junior. If 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: the ball went over your head and you had this 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: basket catch, it was Ken Griffy Junior. If you wore 60 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: your hat backwards, if you were just someone that was 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: genuinely having fun on a baseball field, they would refer 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: to you as Ken Griffy Junior, like his outreach and 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: what he was as And like you said, we haven't 64 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 3: even talked about his stats. We're just talking about his 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: aura and for someone that played in the big leagues 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: for a long time, Cratzy who played in the big leagues, 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: you come across certain people that are just bigger than 68 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: the game, you know. I think about the Derek Jeters, 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: I think about Ken Griffy Junior. When you're just in 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: their presence, it just feels different. And I've been able 71 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: to get in a room or be next to a 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: lot of great players in the game, but there's very 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: few that have that aura, and Ken Griffy Junior is 74 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: one of those guys. Kyle Ripton Junior was one of 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: those guys for me. Derek Jeter was one of those 76 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: guys for me. It's just there's just something different about him. 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer MVP, A thirteen time All Star, three 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: time Home run Derby Champ, ten time Goal CLUBB, seven 79 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: times Silver Slugger, also Game MVP. I mean, the accolades 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: go on and on. Advanced stats is about an eighty 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: four win player, one thirty six career OPS plus, and 82 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: that includes him not looking the same towards the tail 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: end of his career. There's no doubt about that. The numbers, 84 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: if you take them from an earlier time period, and 85 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: you look at his peak years are just next level. 86 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: And you know what else I remember, KRATS is someone 87 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: like Ken Griffy Junior being involved in a home run race, chase, 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, and we say whatever 89 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: we want on this show. Sometimes I'd look and be like, 90 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: one of these players does not look like the rest 91 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Ken Griffy. You know, the big guy built whatever, but 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: it didn't look like a cartoon character during a time 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: period where there were some cartoon characters. 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: That was actually going to be my next point. Because 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: you went through all those stats, we also look at 96 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: his just near misses. He has one MVP. Okay, he 97 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: placed in MVP voting nineteen nine, seventeen fifth, second, fourth, fourth, tenth, 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 2: and then last year when he's thirty five, twenty fourth, 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: So that's what his MVP voting was. This was during 100 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety season till the nineteen ninety nine season, 101 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: the peak of steroid usage. I'll let you do it 102 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: so that I'm not the one being accusatory. But go 103 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: and look a click on the Baseball Reference page to 104 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: the voting for MVPs and see who finished above him, 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: See why he missed out on a couple of MVPs, 106 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: and I'll let you be the judge of somebody who 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: did it clean and somebody who didn't necessarily do it clean. 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: He was doing these numbers, he was he was this guy. 109 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: He was that guy, as the kids say, in an 110 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: era where everybody was making themselves into that guy. He 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: was playing against some robots. He was hitting against pitchers, 112 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: which everybody forgets steroids. The most abusive people for steroids 113 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: were pitchers because they recovered. So you'd face them one 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: night thrown ninety five. Three nights later, you face them 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: for the third time, and he's still throwing ninety five. 116 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: There's no regression because just because they didn't have these 117 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: like massive hulking biceps like some of the hitters did, 118 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: the pitchers were using that stuff and he was facing them. 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: And I think probably the peak, the pinnacle of his 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: awesomeness that the only scandal that Ken Griffy ever had 121 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: was his stinking' Don Russ rookie card. It killed baseball cards. 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: So that's the only negative thing I have to say 123 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: about Ken Griffy Junior. But everybody wanted that card that 124 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: was baseball card like that was the peak of pinnacle. 125 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: Of baseball cards, and it was like, whoa Ken Griffy Junior, 126 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: Don Russ Roods. I have three of them, you have some, 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 2: they're expensive, you have nine. Came out later they printed 128 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: a few too many of them and kind of killed 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: the baseball. 130 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: And we're talking about how good this player is. We 131 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: spend we like spending a lot of time on this 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: show talking about the Hall of Fame. Rightfully, so we 133 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: all have a difference of opinion, but we talk about 134 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. You know, I'm more of a 135 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: medium size. There's a lot of people that believe in 136 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: the small size. It is a very small collective group 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: of players that get a chance to go to Cooperstown. 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: There has been so many great players before Ken Griffy 139 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: got into the Hall of Fame. And this man was 140 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: three votes away from being the first unanimous Hall of Famer. 141 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: That's how good Ken Griffy Junior is. My other point, 142 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight on Nintendo sixty four, they came 143 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: out with Ken Griffy Junior Baseball. He is so good 144 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: that that is still the best baseball game to ever 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: touch this earth. 146 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, people talk about like when they played with him, 147 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: or when they played it. I went to spring training 148 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: in twenty sios two thousand through two thousand and two 149 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: for my for my college we went down to Sarasota. 150 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: Guess who was playing in Sarasota. The Reds were in 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: Sarasota at that time. It's since been the Red Sox. 152 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: Now it's the Orioles. I go to a game only 153 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: only for the fact that we wanted to see Ken 154 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: Griffy Junior play, and didn't Ken Griffy Junior come out 155 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: and play, and didn't he hit a home run? Like 156 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: if you wanted to solidify yourself as like as him 157 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: as the guy that growing up, you watch this guy 158 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: and then you go to the one spring training game 159 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: that he plays in. Then one game that I go 160 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: to he plays in and he hits a home run, 161 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: like it's it just solidified it for me and for me, 162 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: kN Griffy j was that guy. And I watched my 163 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: oldest son, Brayden, who's now a freshman in college, watch 164 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge his rookie year and how everybody wore ninety 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: nine and still wears ninety nine on Little League travel 166 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: ball uniforms because of Aaron Judge. The backwards hat was 167 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: Kang Griffy Junior. 168 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: What was the phrase? Did he just say, Hey, this 169 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: is King Grapy Junior. Was that it at the beginning 170 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: of the game? 171 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: K Yeah, something like that, Hey this is King Greepy 172 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: Junior Baseball. And honestly, the only reason I still probably 173 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: want to get at n sixty four we need to 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: like find one, you know, secondhand, is I want my 175 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: kids to play that game because it was so good. 176 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: I have so many memories and honestly, it taught me 177 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: so much about baseball when I was a kid because 178 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: they had like franchise mode and you had to like 179 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: go and acquire players and trade for players. I just 180 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: have so many like good memories of my child hood 181 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: surrounded by playing King Griffy Junior with my brother, with 182 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: my cousins, with my friends. It just, you know, when 183 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: a guy is you know, we're still talking about his 184 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: greatness this many years later. And to my last point, 185 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 3: he wasn't the same player at the back end of 186 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: his career, but no one remembers that, you know, for 187 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: a player that played on a couple other teams at 188 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 3: the back end of his career, it's hard to think 189 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: about a player we always think about a Derek Jeter 190 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 3: who was only a Yankee and you know, never played 191 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: anywhere else. He is mister Yankee. But you feel the 192 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: same way about Kan Griffy Junior as a Seattle Mariner, 193 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: even though he went other places, because he was just 194 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: you know, as someone who grew up watching him play. 195 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: He just you know, he just he's that good where 196 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: you forget about all the other things that happened at 197 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: the end of his career playing on other teams, and 198 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: you just remember him as being a Seattle Mariner. 199 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing in baseball that you just don't 200 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: see very often in football and basketball from legends. Almost 201 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: every legend in those two sports, and even hockey gets 202 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: to play in some serious postseason competition when they have 203 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a lengthy career in their superstar. Baseball gets shafted the 204 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: most in that regard. Hey, we saw it with Mike Trout, 205 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: who was the next Mickey Mantle for a long period 206 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: of time, right and he essentially didn't touch the playoffs. 207 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: He's had one playoff series for five minutes. They got bounced. 208 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: We saw it with Shoeo Tani until he moved out 209 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. So it's a great point. Grippy had 210 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: some playoff time, but not a lot, right, You wish 211 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: you saw him more on a national stage. And KP, 212 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I think your point about him being mortal, like he 213 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: felt immortal for a while, but also was mortal. He 214 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: played a super demanding position that you can speak to 215 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and he's not connected to anything in terms of the 216 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: ped world. Right, we can't speak for anybody fully, but 217 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: we can just speak from what we've seen reports. There's 218 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: no court cases or no any of that. It's called 219 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: a human being looking like a g for a long 220 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: period of time and then age catching up to you. 221 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: After playing a demanding position and being the guy on 222 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: a team for a long period of time. 223 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: You knew who else got the shaft and missed the playoffs, 224 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: and that was the Minnesota Twins and Lou Collins when 225 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: Ken Griffy Junior went up the wall in Little Big 226 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: Leagues and robbed that home run. But ultimately, but ultimately, 227 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: Lou Collins got the ultimate prize and he you know, 228 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: found himself a wife. But shame on you Griffy from 229 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 3: taking that away from the Minnesota Twins and Billy Billy Hayward. 230 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: Billy Hayward. 231 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shame on you, dude. I mean that was Griffy, right. 232 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: If you're making a baseball movie in the nineties, you 233 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: gotta have Griffy in there, and if you can tie 234 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: into the storyline, that alone would even overcome a bad movie. 235 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: It was that big of a deal in the baseball space. 236 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: And also it was a different time for the sport. 237 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I think that's important to remember too. The sport's super popular. 238 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: I would say it's more global now, but the competition 239 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: from other sports was less fierce at the time, and 240 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: it made Griffy much more of a household name around 241 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the country. You know, you'd get stopped left and right. 242 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: He still does, but in a different way. Right. I 243 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: always remember hearing when we did our Mark McGuire interview. 244 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I think it was how like he got one time 245 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: stuck in a traffic jam and people are like coming 246 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: up to his car. That's like Beatles shit. You know, 247 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: that's another level of celebrity that we don't have too 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: much of in today's baseball show. Hey, Otani in Japan 249 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: might hit that level. That's about it. So Griffy had 250 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: it all going. We can go on and on if 251 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: we missed anything. Please share stories on this. We love 252 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: doing these segments. We have plenty of others we've done 253 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: over the years, including Ichi Ro, We've done Barry Bonds. 254 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: We've talked about many others, So make sure you go 255 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: backtrack and check those out and suggest any more that 256 00:13:50,360 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: we should do. How good was Big Poppy one of 257 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: the best dhs of all time? Scotty Brown, Aircrats and 258 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Jason Kipnis. We're gonna talk about a Hall of Famer 259 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: who was a winner, a clutch player, and Kip By 260 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: the time he retired, he was still at his peak. 261 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, are you sure? You sure you're done? 262 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: He looked pretty good. You're making the league look like 263 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: it's not that difficult. 264 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: Wasn't his last season? Wasn't he forty plus home runs, 265 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: forty plus doubles? I'm sorry, and at his rate that 266 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: he was being paid, I'm not going out. I'm continuing 267 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: my career. That I think he kind of told people 268 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: though that he was already retiring and he was starting 269 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: to get all those kind of like gifts going around, 270 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: and I think he was kind of paw committed to 271 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: retiring so he couldn't come back. But I'm sure he 272 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: clearly had a lot left in the tank, but he 273 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: was one of the guys who was very few are 274 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: I don't want to use in terms bigger than the game, 275 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: but like their personalities are just bigger and there It's 276 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 4: like when you meet him for the first time, you're 277 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: not just meeting someone you're playing again, you're meeting a buddy, 278 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 4: not like that, it's your meeting like a star. And 279 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 4: he was absolutely a star in this game, so good 280 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: for the game of baseball, and to me, probably the 281 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: most clutch hitter. Yeah, I think I've ever seen an 282 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 4: heroics that he came through In the moments, I thought, yeah. 283 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: No, I definitely it was thirty eight home. I thought 284 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: he was just fell just fell short. But if our 285 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: but of our generation, I mean, I don't know who 286 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: would have been more who would have been more clutch 287 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: than Big Poppy. I mean, when you when you lead 288 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: the league and RBIs your last season, I think that's 289 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: that's pretty legit. But I played against him that year 290 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: and we definitely we said the reason that he he 291 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: didn't want all those gifts because half of that stuff 292 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: is probably just stuck in his garage somewhere. Whether here 293 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: or in the Dominican wherever it is. He just wanted 294 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: the strike zone. I remember playing against him that year 295 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: and it was like the tiniest strike zone ever was 296 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: just ball ball, and he would he would back out 297 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: of the batter's box and he would spit in both 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: gloves and he'd slap his hands together and then he'd 299 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: hit a dinger. But no, like what you're talking about, 300 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: like that like bigger than the game thing. It's what 301 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: the kids call aura. Yeah, Poppy had that aura, big 302 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: Poppy had. He smelled delicious when he came into the box. 303 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: You knew he was gonna do damage. Even for a 304 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 2: guy that had five hundred and forty one home runs, 305 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: he didn't strike out that much. I think one hundred 306 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: and forty eight, no, I'm sorry, one hundred and forty 307 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: five was the most strikeouts he'd ever had. And I 308 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: think he had five seasons over one hundred strikeouts. Like 309 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: in the era that he played, the strikeout was completely 310 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: fine when you're pumping out five hundred and forty one homers. 311 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: And he didn't strike out that much compared to everybody 312 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: else but just his club, I mean thirty I'm sorry, 313 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: twenty walk off hits in the regular season, countless walk 314 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: off hits in the postseason, huge home runs, left on left, 315 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: right on left, like it closers starters. He was to me. 316 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: He was the left handed version of Miguel Cabrera for 317 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: me in the sense that like you knew where the 318 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: you knew where the holes to get him out were. 319 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: But he wasn't just boom or bust. It wasn't just 320 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: all or nothing. So he'd still be able to get 321 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: those hits in that situation in Boston, playing in Fenway, 322 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: the fact that the monster was right there if you 323 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: made if you made your pitch in your location, he'd 324 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: just go and flick it off the wall. That's why 325 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: he had forty eight doubles in his last season in 326 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: the big leagues. 327 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: Kip, when you faced him, what did pitching teammates say? 328 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: What did the pitchers on Cleveland say? And was he 329 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: the focal point in those meetings that go down? Right? Hey, 330 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: who are we circling? And what are we doing about this? 331 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: Sure? 332 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: Krats hinted on it. He was the focal point of 333 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: just you you know, maybe the zones where to pitch him, 334 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: but you better not miss because he's one of those 335 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: guys will immediately make you pay for that. But he 336 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: played him with good teams obviously with Padroyas and Bogarts 337 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: when he was young, and Rake and Mookie was on 338 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: Boss and so I mean there it was a full lineup, 339 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 4: but he you knew where he was and you knew 340 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: when he was coming around in that order. Kratz commented 341 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: on it a little bit earlier, he had he had 342 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: a small zone earned it, but because and I don't 343 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: think pitchers ever really complained too much, because they sure 344 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: they might have wanted to strike, but if they're if 345 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: it ends up into a walk, they're just like, okay, whatever, 346 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 4: that's not the end of the world versus him or 347 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 4: something like that. Sometimes you just take it. 348 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: He was. 349 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: A tough one. I think I faced him his his 350 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 4: We knocked him out to end his career at Cleveland 351 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: versus Boston in twenty sixteen. I think it was we 352 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 4: played in the first round, so I was against him 353 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 4: his last game. They were down two or something like that, 354 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: or two or three, and he drew a walk in 355 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 4: his last set bat and got a pinch runner and 356 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 4: stood on first base for a while. And that might 357 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: have been one of the loudest ovations I've ever heard, 358 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: and I was just like, this guy's straight ball, Fourd's 359 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 4: basewalk is about to rally these guys just because this 360 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: crowd is on their feet and absolutely going nuts right now. 361 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 4: So he was beloved everywhere, but his bat, he just 362 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: he just got things moving every time, whether someone was 363 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: on base or not, something was about to happen when 364 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: he comes up to the plate. 365 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: The story I always tell about Big Poppy was in 366 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, we were going in Casey Jansen was our 367 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: closer for the Blue Jays. Didn't throw real hard. It 368 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: was a cutter curveball, just got ahead and then finished 369 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: it with the back door, front door cutter, whatever or 370 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: whatever was his. He was very good at scattered reports 371 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: and he goes, hey, he goes we're talking in the outfit. 372 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: He goes, hey, if we pace face Big Poppy late 373 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: in the game, this is how I want to face him. 374 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: If it's you know, if they have a chance to 375 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: if he has a chance to win the game, not 376 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: tie it up, but win the game. This is how 377 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: I want to face him. Because he expands his zone. 378 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: And it was so it's twenty fourteen, they had just 379 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: won the World Series in thirteen. It was beginning of 380 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: the season, probably June, you know, anywhere from April to June, 381 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: and he goes, I want to throw a cutter up 382 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: and into him. Once we land the first bitch, curveball, 383 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: cut her up and in. He's gonna hit the ball 384 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: eight miles but it's gonna be foul. And then I 385 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: want to throw a backdoor cutter to him. I'm like, 386 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: all right, well we'll see. You know, I'm in the 387 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: mindset like Big Poppy's not beating us on the pool 388 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: side for a homer, Like, no way, I'm going in. 389 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 2: Sure enough, Big Poppy comes up. Everybody in the stands 390 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: a stand, there's two outs, were up by two runs, 391 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: there's two runners on. He throws lands the first pitch 392 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: curveball Casey Jansen did. Next pitch was a cutter up 393 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: and and Big Poppy I swore he hit it off 394 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: of Yazz's number in right field, off of the upper 395 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: deck up there, and it was just found. If the 396 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: umpire had called it fair, I don't know that I 397 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: could have argued it was so far and so high 398 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: and he hit it so far foul. But you knew 399 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: that moment in the stadium, everybody was just the different energy. 400 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: I'll never forget that feeling playoffs anything. It was the 401 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: greatest feeling in the stadium because he was up. Just 402 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: the culmination of him walking to the plate, him hitting 403 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: that ball, place went berserk. He dropped his bat. It 404 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: was a foul ball. The next pitch was a back 405 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: door cutter and he walked off. He didn't swing at it, 406 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 2: but in and out. To remember the hitter that I 407 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: was up there, I don't like, there's no other at 408 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: bat that I remember more than that because of the 409 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: atmosphere he created in Boston, and this was towards the 410 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: end of his career when the team wasn't that season, 411 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: they weren't doing very well. 412 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: Most most of my sorry Scotty, most of my views 413 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: of his at bats were obviously from short right field 414 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: because of the shift, where I was always out back 415 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 4: in the grass, so I was back a little bit. 416 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: But one of my favorite things to watch was early 417 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 4: on versus Boston when Padoya was there too. If Pedroita 418 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: was on first base Boston people probably know about this. 419 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 4: His leadoffs would be a hop, a hop and then 420 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 4: like a turn and kind of like duck away almost 421 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: because that's that's how hard Big Poppy could pull that 422 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: ball right down the line at you. And every time 423 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: you could even ask p d about it, where it's 424 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: just like, go watch some videos if you could pull 425 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: it up where he's like, this is the only guy 426 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: that I've seen to have a base runner be like 427 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: scared of every time a ball gets pitched or something 428 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 4: like that, or knows it's gonna be a curveball because 429 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 4: he's probably gonna pull it. So was always freaking out 430 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 4: every time he was on first base. It was it 431 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 4: was fun to watch, though, But uh an incredible player, 432 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 4: a star of the game for many, many years, and 433 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: he's one of those guys who when you meet him 434 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 4: as a young player, you're hoping he's as cool as 435 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: he looks on TV, and he is even better. 436 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: He was my room, he was my teammate for like 437 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: two and a half days when I was with Boston 438 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: and then got fired on the third day that I 439 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: was there. But in those two and a half days, 440 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: I found out why they call him Big Poppy. Everyone's like, 441 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: he's a good I'm big Poppy, you know. I just 442 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: it's because he doesn't know anybody's name. He calls everybody Poppy, 443 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 2: and so he ends up getting the name Big Poppy. 444 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Here's a lot of names to memorize. Think about how 445 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: many people have been around Big Poppy over the years. 446 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: What you're gonna tell me the whole Oh, he's just 447 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: a player on another team like everyone else. Yeah, I 448 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: get it, But I don't know. I mean, he's all 449 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: over the place. He still is now right, he is 450 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: everywhere he is. You know, he's on TV, he does 451 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: speaking engagements, he's you know, at camps like he's non stop. So, yes, 452 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: I know you're crafs A. You're gonna say on a team, 453 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: everyone has to know about the same amount of people. 454 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: I get that part. I don't want to give him 455 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: too much credit for not knowing anyone's name. 456 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was just gonna say he only 457 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: played for two teams in the Big League, so it's 458 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 2: less less people. But my thing is, is there a 459 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: bigger star in Red Sox history? A bigger successful star? 460 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: I know some people you know your age will tell 461 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: you who you know. I loved Jim Rice, I loved 462 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: this guy. Is there a bigger star in Red Sox history? 463 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: Think about it? 464 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: If you're I would say, I would say Ted Williams 465 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: might have him as a player and stuff like that. 466 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 4: But no, that's but star wise where you say, like 467 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: the aura that you're talking about earlier, I don't think 468 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 4: anybody has him. 469 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: Be think about it. If you're in Boston, you're not 470 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: even that much of a baseball fan. You know who 471 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: he is, right, Name one person connected to the Red Sox, 472 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: and I guarantee you that the name that pops up 473 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: the most, that would win that percentage vote would be 474 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: Big Poppy David Ortiz. Yes, because of the presence, because 475 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: of the success, because of the clutch moments, because of 476 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: the historic moments within franchise history. I mean part of 477 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: breaking up a very very long world series Drought slash Curse, 478 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: and then if you fast forward the awful tragedy at 479 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: the Boston Marathon that occurred, and then Big Poppy is 480 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: the voice with the speech here. It is an iconic 481 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: photo and an iconic speech that people still think about 482 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: and gets reference to all the time. He just nailed it. 483 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: And knowing how he is Kratz, he probably just was 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: given the microphone and started riffing from the heart and 485 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: he nailed it. 486 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: It nailed it, And everyone says, oh, you know this team, 487 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's no way that a tragedy brings a 488 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: team together and helps him win a World Series. Come on, 489 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: it definitely. It galvanizes a fan base. It makes you 490 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: come to the park with a different kind of energy, 491 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: a different kind of like fervor, like a point to 492 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: coming to the park to win and to work and 493 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: to do all the things that everybody else has to do. 494 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: But man, that team, that team could bang too, and 495 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: that you know, Mike Napoli, Shane Victorino stopped hitting left handed, 496 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: he only hit right handed that year, Like they had 497 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: they had a lot going on, and that that speech, 498 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: that speech is is definitely iconic forever. 499 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: Last thing to cap this with his career began with 500 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: the Twins kids, and he wasn't that good and he 501 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: didn't get that much playing time, and the Twins let 502 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: him go and he made them pay. So life didn't 503 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: come easy for him at all times. It eventually did, 504 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: but it didn't at the front end. So David Ortiz 505 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: is one of the big success stories in the modern 506 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: game of Major League baseball. And how good was he 507 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: both on and off the field? Pretty damn good. If 508 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: you like these, we've done many more of them, so 509 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: you can find them in a little playlist on our 510 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: FT YouTube channel.