1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Are you ready, I'm about to hit 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: the fan. Welcome to unsanctioned Thursday's honestling with ready? 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: All right, you guys, welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays. No Jeff Die, 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: You're stuck with me and I have a fun show 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: plan for you. This show's title is called the Heel Turn, 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: not Heels. That show already exists. This is the heel Turn. 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: You have to say it with that kind of a 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: voice when you repeat it right. You can't just go 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: on the heel turn that. You can't if that's how 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: you sound. I don't know how you sound. My voice 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: kind of sucks too, So if you sound like that, 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I feel your pain. But thanks for listening, 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in. A lot of allergies going on 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: for me as I get older. That kind of sucks. 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm almost fifty. It's never allergic to anything, and now 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: apparently I'm allergic to everything in my neighborhood, so that's 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I've been told to eat local honey. 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: I don't know why. I guess because they make the 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: bees are getting it from local flowers. But it's not 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: like I'm getting honey from the flowers in this neighborhood, 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Like I can only get it from wherever the farmer's 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: farm their honey from. So I don't know if that's 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: bullshit or not. Anyway, let's get this show started. We're 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: gonna start with the mother of them all. We lost 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: Halcogan and that was the biggest heel turn ever, So 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna start with that one, Hollywood Hogan. The nWo earthquake. 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: It was the biggest heel turn ever, right, yeah, biggest 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: heel turn ever. It shook up the entire business and 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: made people watch WCW. It helped WCW in the ratings 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: take over and start winning in the ratings. It took 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: place at Bash at the Beach in nineteen ninety six. 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: I was twenty years old and was it took a 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: break from wrestling at that time, so I missed the 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: seal turn. It was my friends that were all like, oh, 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: do you should watch resin all Cocain's and asshole now, 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: So he made the try. I was never a Hogan guy. 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't. I'm not trying to speak ill. 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: My mom told me to eat my vitamins and say 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: my prayers. Man like, I didn't need to hear that 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: from the guys that I'm wanted to watch fight. I 41 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: wanted them to say tough guy shit like the heels would. 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: So I always rooted for the bad guys. I probably 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: would have liked him more as Hollywood Hogan, but he 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: had been the red and yellow superhero for over a decade. 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: The fans were kind of getting over that. See how's 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: ahead of the curve on that too? And the colored 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: hair I was doing in the nineties. All you guys 48 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: just started doing it in the last three years, you 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: scrubs man. Whatever. Anyway, he started trashing the fans, the fans, 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: same fans that were booing him because they were starting 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: to like the Stone Colds, Steve Austin's and the middle 52 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: Finger guys and all that. They were done with Flintstones 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: vitamins and they got their vitamins from beer, damn it. 54 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 2: And so he called the fans trash shit all over him, 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: made them hate him, and the rest was history. Man, 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: it changed his entire career. It gave him an an 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: extra like ten years probably more. Whatever it was, it 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: was awesome. It worked out perfectly, and the crowd reacted perfectly. 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: And it's all about the crowds on these turns, babyface 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: or heel. If if they don't care they got, they're 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: gonna let you know with silence and you it is deafening. 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: The next one, Brett the Hitman, heard from the hero 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: to a bitter bitter man. This is like the weirdest 64 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: he'll turn ever because he wasn't wrong about like what 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: he was saying, like doing the Playgirl magazine and all 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: that stuff. And then the curson like that wasn't babyface behavior, 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: that was hell behavior, and it was like it's like 68 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: rooting for Han Solo in Star Wars over Luke Skywalker, right, 69 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: Like Luke Skywalker's the babyface. Han Solo's the badass babyface. 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: He's stone cold Steve Boston. He doesn't care about the rules. 71 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: He'll do what's bright as long as it doesn't annoy 72 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: him too much. And that's an easier guy to root 73 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: for because we can relate to that because he's less 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: disciplined than the babyface. The babyface, it of course, gets 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: all the same opportunities to sin that the heel gets, 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 2: but through his discipline, he stays away from the women, 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: the booze, the drugs, all that stuff, and he stays 78 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: disciplined and pure and true to himself, right, And that's 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: harder to relate to because that's a hard road to walk. Man. 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: You usually walk it alone because there's fewer people live 81 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: in that life, and it's easier to go drink a 82 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 2: Budweiser and flip off your boss when he's not looking 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: like everybody wants to do that. So I always kind 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: of felt bad for Brett, but he did turn nonetheless, 85 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: and probably one of the most conflicted characters in wrestling 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven was around the time when this started happening, 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: and this is when Stone Cold was like starting to 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: blow up and Brett and Shawn Michaels and all that, 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: and those were his best matches by the way, and 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: that was his beef. And we had the double turn 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: in the in the Stone Cold Brett Hart match where 92 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: they literally switched switched roles mid match and the crowd 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: went crazy and bananas for It's one of my favorite 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: matches ever to talk about blood good Lord, those dudes 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: are two matches and lead jack. But anyway, Brett Hart 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: superhel but only in America. Everywhere in Europe and in Canada, 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: they still loved the gimmick. They were like, nah, Man, 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: you're right at America. America's like, what a f you? 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: So that always is good for wrestling. We had some 100 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: good beef there and it felt real. It probably was. 101 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: He was probably genuinely pissed. All right. Next up, I'm 102 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: gonna do a little ae W and I we're gonna 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: talk about mister Maxwell Jacob Friedman in a heel turn 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: that I certainly didn't see coming. I thought I was 105 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: going to go the other way. I was certain Adam 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Cole was going to turn on his best bro MJF 107 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: and screw him over. But instead it was MJF who 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: kicked him right in the nuts. Great, this Max's has 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: great aim. He always hits guys right in the balls. 110 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: And uh, they never do the miagi low sweet? What 111 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: was that wax on wax off? Or was that paint 112 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: the floor? I think it was painted paint the floor. 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: They never do the paint the floor technique, which is weird. 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: All these guys should know it by now. But yeah, 115 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: he kicked him in the nuts and they were no 116 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: longer bros. And he reveals that he truly is the devil, 117 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: just a ruthless, cocky asshole, and he's the top dude, 118 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: the top dude today, dubbs man. I mean when he 119 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: was champed, they were killing it on his way there 120 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: through seem Punk, he was killing it. Now with the 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: hurt business confrontation and him and Bobby like, now that 122 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: he's killing that, he has his contract that he can 123 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: cash in on Adam Page, he's going to be killing it. 124 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: So he's positioned to do great stuff again. Uh, he 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: always does great stuff. He's going to be the one 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: that gets turned on this time, which would be a 127 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: lot of fun. People see him get beat down by 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: his friend MVP Shell and Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, who 129 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: are not his friends. They'll take him down. And then finally, 130 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: I said finally earlier, but finally, and this one was 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: like not so much a heel turn. It was a 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: we need to change course. This was Roman reigns and 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: before Tribal Chief. Tribal Chief is the turn. But this 134 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: was the chosen one, right, the next great babyface of 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: the company, and the crowd felt very forced upon. They 136 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: didn't because they didn't pick him, they didn't claim him. 137 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: And wrestling crowds are very involved with the show and 138 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: they're a part of the show. It used to drive 139 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: me crazy when I first worked there, because you guys 140 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: would screw up people's promos and not give them a 141 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: chance to get over with the what chant, right, But 142 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: after a time I got it, like, no, they just 143 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: want to be a part of something unique and special 144 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: that only happens one on live television and and there's 145 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. That's it's like going to the 146 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Rocky Horror Picture Show and throwing bread in the air 147 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: when they go a toast like it's this. There's there's 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: a you want to be involved with something that you 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: love and so I totally get that, But I used 150 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: to I used to hate you guys. But anyway, the 151 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: crowd wasn't they weren't feeling it, and they would boo 152 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: every Babyface promo this man had and uh and it 153 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: got Seth Rollins over when Seth was was uh the 154 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: one beefing with him back in the day. This is 155 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: all pre tribal chief and Seth Rollins, you know, buying 156 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: in and all this stuff to the to the corporate 157 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: way of thinking, like people were cheering him instead of 158 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: instead of booing. Man, it was it was awesome, and uh, 159 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: they didn't really know what to do with Roman, so 160 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: they switched and went full heel. And that's what I 161 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: meant by changing course. And this tribal chief emerged and 162 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: everyone booed and booed and booed, and they hated him. 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: He got good heat, and then those booths turned into cheers, 164 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: and eventually, organically, without it being forced upon the audience, 165 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: they chose Roman as the top baby face in the company. 166 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: And they still treat him that way to this day, 167 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: which is pretty awesome because they made him earn it. 168 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: And when you earn some you don't deserve anything in life. 169 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: You earn everything in life. And that's why the Roman 170 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: reigns thing is so honest and so organic. They made 171 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: him earn it. And that's the big thing. My godfather 172 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: used to talk about respect, right, he said, people hand 173 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: out respect too easily these days. You have to offer 174 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: an opportunity to earn respect. But you don't just give 175 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: someone respect, you give them dignity. Right, Everyone deserves to 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: be treated with dignity, but respect has to be earned. 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: You give the opportunity for someone to earn it, but 178 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: it must be earned, never given away. And that's kind 179 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: of what happened with the Roman Reigns turn that. I 180 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: really liked this. The crowd made him earn it. They 181 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: put him through the ringer and he came out looking 182 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: like a million bucks. Even more than that, he probably 183 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: making ten million bucks looking like twenty million bucks. So yeah, 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: so there's four. There's one more, and I'm pretty pissed 185 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: off about this one. I didn't write this. Our producer 186 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Alex wrote this one. We're gonna have a chat after 187 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: the show. Jeff's not here to shit all over me, 188 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: which is nice. This heel turn was twenty eight years 189 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: in the making, y'all, and you never saw it coming. 190 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: You never saw it coming, but we read the comments 191 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: in the comments section when my movie came out. That's right. 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: You know where I'm going. The final heel of this 193 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: episode is the Fisherman from I not what you did 194 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: last summer. You had no idea I was gonna turn 195 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: heel on your punk asses and try to kill everybody 196 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: and try to kill your favorite Julie James. Well I did, 197 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: and I almost got away with it. It wasn't for 198 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: those meddling kids. We went a little Scooby Doo there. Sorry, 199 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: for the land part of that promo. But that's the 200 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: final one. Sorry at that one. See, I'm pissed off too, 201 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: So you can be mad, but don't be mad at me. 202 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: Send your complaints to producer Alex at producer Alex at 203 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: gmail dot com, dot net dot org. Just title it 204 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: the email heading with youth you suck man, You just 205 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: freaking suck all those words right, the whole thing, And 206 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: then file your complaint there and we'll get to them 207 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: and I'll read them on the air. Okay, if you 208 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: actually do want to reach out to us, you guys 209 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: can give us a review. You can leave comments, and 210 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: if they're good, even if they're mean, I'll read them 211 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: on the air. I don't care. Jeff gets mad at 212 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: you guys, but I don't and I want to give you, 213 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: guys what you want. So enjoy the episodes, Enjoy the show. 214 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed this week. Tune in every week 215 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: and be good to yourselves. Peace.