1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to she Pivots. I'm your host to Emily Tish Sussman. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: One of my goals in starting this podcast is to 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: highlight voices and stories of women who went through something 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: deeply personal, only to come out of it on the 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: other side better than they could have imagined. After launching 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: she Pivots last year, it's clear it's not a small group. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: This applies to most women, whether it's a big pivot 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: or even just a tiny pivot. What's clear is there's 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: still a lot of unpacking to do around pivoting. So 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: as we're continuing to build this platform and community through 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: new episodes, I wanted to also bring you more stories, 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: unfiltered and honest. So I'll be sitting down with more women, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: maybe the occasional man, some of whom have mastered their 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: own pivot, some are just starting the pivoting journey. Are 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: some just have something to teach us about the deeply 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: personal moments of life. So stay tuned for more of 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: these candid conversations this season. Let's jump right in. Welcome 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: back to sheep Pivots. This is our very first he 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Pivots two. He's in fact, did you guys know this? 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: You are our very first Heap pivots. These are two 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: of my oldest friends, Jake and Maddie. But you guys 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: probably know them as the Reality Gaze. I just think 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: is the name of your show now, because they are 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: unbelievably famous in the world of podcasting. And it all 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: started as most good things do, at theater Camp. 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: It's true, true, it. 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: Is totally true. So we met Peter Camp when we 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: were all counselors. And I actually only found out from 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: listening to your shows that you guys didn't know each 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: other like I thought you guys came to campus friends. 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: No, we looked at each other suspiciously from across hallways. 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: I knew who he was. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: It's just some kind of like strange, flightless bird running 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: around the music department and loud and and. 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: Because Jake was a grad, I was an undergrad and 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: he was a grad student. So they're at a school 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: as big as we went to. This is Mattie by 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: the way. For people listening, the other one's Jake or Poodle. 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: But uh we uh. 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: The school was so big the graduate students barely had 41 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: anything to do with the undergrad It was just so big. 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 4: And also Jake was really fat, and I thought he 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: was a lesbian. 44 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: I really thought he was a woman. I'd love to 45 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: argue with you there, but I. 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: Did thin out a little bit sometimes without a beard, 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: I would be he was very. 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Clean shaven, and I don't use it like he's wine. 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: He has like always had gorgeous skin. You have like 50 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: porcelain skin. 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, as he says, I have these creamy shoulders, creamy, 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: and I love shoulders. 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: If I if I was a woman here, I am 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: on she slash heat pivots, I would definitely be showing 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: my shoulders. 56 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 4: I mean, Jake has been when he has been clean 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: shaven and it is wearing like a sweater with a 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: shirt and you kind of can't see his body. He 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 4: has had actual lesbians hit on him, UNLESSI bart thinking he. 60 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: Was a woman. 61 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: I did have that one time, and especially in my 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: twenties when I was twinkier. 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: She pivots, you know. 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, she pivots. People would say Jake, and I would go, 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: who's Jake. And then when we went to theater camp, 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: we had a teacher, a voice teacher that knew both 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 4: of us and got and kind of recruited both of 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: us to teach at the theater camp. That where we 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: met you, and that's why I was like, oh, she's 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 4: a little slut just like me. 71 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: And then we became fast friends and then we're sex positive, 72 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: not slutty, sex positive. 73 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: Hey, but I think I'm so happy to be here 74 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: on a show. 75 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: And I think this is a good transition for your 76 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: first male guest because. 77 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: We're we're not going to smash beer on our heads. 78 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: Most likely, we're going to be a lot more identifying 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: with your with the female side of our audience. 80 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 2: That's good middle ground to be in. 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a soft transition. We're not going to go 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: it is. 83 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: It's a soft launch. It's a soft launch. 84 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. If we will into the heap, Yeah, into the heap. 85 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: Pivots. 86 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, I remember being a counselor. I was in charge 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: of the fifteen year old age group, which I loved 88 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: because they were so naughty and they thought they were so. 89 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: Worldly, the best kind. 90 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Oh, I loved them. But the absolute worst part of 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: being a counselor was when we had socials with the 92 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: boys camps, because the girls turned into like little monsters 93 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: like I had never seen before, and all they were 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: No matter how good a relationship you thought you had 95 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: with a kid. They were sneaking out to the back 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: the one hundred percent, and I was like, did I 97 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: lose one? I don't know. And you guys were my 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: only Like, you guys were like my golden ticket to 99 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: try to get them back in because they're like, oh 100 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: my god, it's chicken, Maddie, let's dance on the dance floor. 101 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Like you were my secret weapon to try to rain 102 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: the girls in. 103 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the only way because they. 104 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: We were men, so they kind of wanted our approval, 105 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: but we were kind of like their teenage girlfriends, so 106 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: they were really kind of obsessed with us. 107 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: We were like a weird like hybrid and they were 108 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: still trying to figure us out. 109 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: Most of them knew we were gay, but there were 110 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: some who were little clueless who still wanted They didn't 111 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: know why, but they still just wanted to be around 112 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: us all the time. 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: I think they knew we were gay, it was just 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: really we had no chance. They all had crushes on Blake. 115 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was also yeah, yeah. 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: But I forgot we were You used us for that? 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys were my secret weapon. But I 118 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: was a camper at this girl's camp, as this girl 119 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: the camp, and I think I really do think up 120 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: to this day, that is why I basically cannot tell 121 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: who is gay and who was not, Like I have 122 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: no gay arc at all, Like I think I just 123 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: walk around presuming that like everybody's gay, because all of 124 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: the men that I had relationships within my life were gay. Theetermen. 125 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: You're like, how about that Harvey Firestein, Oh, hubba hubba, 126 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: and they're like, I. 127 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Look into him, Like, I'm seriously, I have no idea. 128 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Do you all think isn't me? I think Sean. 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: Delta and Sean Hayes is a really good husband material. 130 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, I just love the way we can 131 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: share outfits. There's so much versatility. Exactly exactly Okay, And 132 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: then I want to fast forward a little. We're not 133 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: going to go through all of it, but I was 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: remembering their day that Maddie, you went to get your 135 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: graduate degree in the most unbelievable way. You were on 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: a game show. 137 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: Right, yes, yes, yes, yes, I was on it. This 138 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: is many years ago, two thousand and six. I was 139 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: kind of like thinking I wanted to leave entertainment and 140 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. 141 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: I guess what you're still here here a lot of improv. True, 142 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: still here. 143 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: I was doing a lot of improv theater because that 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 4: was the real big thing then. But improv theater, especially 145 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: at that time, It's really before they had the rise 146 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: of like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler not so it 147 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: was such a bro heavy and I look back on it, 148 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: I think the reason I didn't. 149 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: Like it is because I just did not fit in 150 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: with that. 151 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: And so I thought, well, I'm gonna I'm looking for 152 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 4: something else to do. And I was thinking about grad school, 153 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 4: but I was like, oh, I don't want to pay 154 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: for it, and da da da, and money and all 155 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. And then I literally was working 156 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: in my day job and I went on Craigslist and 157 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: searched on Craigslist I need money. 158 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: And then, which is different than your normal searching, go 159 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: on craiglist. 160 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: This is true. 161 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: Usually it's I need something else. Yeah, But I found 162 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: like a submission to audition for a game show, and 163 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: so I did and it ended up, you know, it 164 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: was this. I didn't realize it was this going to 165 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: be a huge game show hosted by William Shatner on ABC. 166 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 4: It was like in the day of who you who 167 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 4: wants to be a millionaire and deal or no deal. 168 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: So it was in that day of like big multimillion 169 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: dollar game shows. I had no idea it was going 170 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: to be that at all. 171 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: And you won like a lot, right, I. 172 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: Won almost six hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, it's pretty insane. 173 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: And did the show actually stay on the air? I 174 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: was kind of like you won and never air or 175 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: like the show never took off. 176 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: It aired for a season, but it was and it 177 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: was like famous people are like Juliana huff was on 178 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: it and the you know who's now going to be 179 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 4: on Dance with the Stars. But the it didn't stay 180 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: on the air for two reasons. A. The gameplay was 181 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: really conmoluded. Like David Letterman even did a top ten 182 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: thing of how confusing this fucking show. He did it 183 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: on it and like showed clips of me like screaming 184 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: around because people were like, yeah, David, im it, I'm 185 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: like I'm not really. 186 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: Then Also, what the show shall we say? 187 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 4: Probably couldn't stand the test of time, because the whole 188 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 4: point of the show is there were like fourteen dancing 189 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: women that held scrolls and when you would answer, you 190 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: would pick a monetary amount based on the question that 191 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: was tied to a woman, and then she. 192 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: Would show you the monetary amount of how much you won. 193 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: So if you got it right, she showed her. 194 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: She showed everyone of her boobs and they just maybe 195 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: not you don't Joanna. 196 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: Huff gave you two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So 197 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: next time I see her, I'll give her. 198 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: And William Shannon goes thanks to its flicks a cigar. 199 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what it propelled me, Like, okay, I 200 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: can like were still work my day job and go 201 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 4: to grad school. And then I went to grad school. 202 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 4: And then literally kind of as I was finishing grad school, 203 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: someone said to me, you have a good face for 204 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: commercials and you should become a commercial actor. Here's my 205 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 4: friend who's like an agent, and I said, well, I'll 206 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 4: meet them for extra money. And then I just started 207 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: booking national and that brought me all back into podcasting 208 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 4: and entertainment and all this stuff now. 209 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: And back to this bitch, my best friend. They always 210 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: come back. 211 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: You guys had been doing the great in person show 212 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the musical Review every year, Cabergay, which I got to 213 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: go see in La Yes, that's right. 214 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: I was there that was really made for people like you. 215 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: Truly. I was like, I think I'm in heaven now 216 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: because you. It was original songs, right. 217 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: Well, it was songs, but we kind of lyrics for 218 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: them all. So they're all specialty songs that we wrote. 219 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: And usually it's an amazing composer and lyricists. And he 220 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: was one of those kids that wouldn't go outside new 221 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: sports in South Carolina. He would say, no, Mom, I 222 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: have to play Evergreen on the piano and write new 223 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: music needs a lot. 224 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: I need to write things that reflect my soul. 225 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, so we we would rewrite a lot of stuff. 226 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I love it so much. I feel like I kept 227 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: caber Gay with me, like in spirit and in my mind, 228 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: like in so many ways, like going into. 229 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: It is it is a state of mind, and it's 230 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: just this kind of spirit of joy and kind of 231 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: being unabashedly ourselves, which is what this whole thing is about. 232 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: And it was. 233 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: Both of us grew up on a spirit of comedy 234 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: and performance that was definitely rooted in like variety shows 235 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: like like the Carol Burnette Show, like I remember just 236 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: watching talk shows or even early started out live and 237 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: like the late eighties and nineties of that feeling of 238 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: broad comedy and making jokes. 239 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: And we just made it really really really gay. 240 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Living Color another one like, oh yeah broad yeah. 241 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: Really broad comedy again. 242 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: Why it really spoke to me? 243 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 244 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So you guys have been so successful in podcasting. 245 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: You're one of the top shows doing recap shows. Did 246 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: you guys go into this? And I keep saying that 247 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I think you're being reality gay right because I keep 248 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: thinking of you as ninety day Gay and let's not 249 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: allowed to say it anymore, which was your original. 250 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: Name, and say we were just they just tried to 251 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: sue us. 252 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: But it's fine. 253 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all the same. Thing happened. 254 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: No, please please, friends, Discovery, We're fine. We love them. 255 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Good luck on the merger. We wi we wish them 256 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: the best. 257 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm holding a newspaper with today's date on it. 258 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: You know, I. 259 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: Think we we did not start out we basically I 260 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: wish we were just talking about this. The other day, 261 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: after one Caberget performance, we were at this French restaurant 262 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: or makeshift French resure in the back of the American 263 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: Rag Company. It's no longer there anymore. Right near my house, right, 264 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: and we were kind of having a post mortem. We're like, 265 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: how could just dreamy? How could we do this for 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: our jobs? How could we do this and just do 267 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: this because it's so much fun. We both feel like 268 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 3: when we're doing it, this is it, this is the magic. 269 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: And I think one of your friends, Maddie had said, 270 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: you guys should just make this a podcast. 271 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: And podcasts are very daring. There's no overhead. 272 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: You just kind of pay for hosting and you just 273 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: get a microphone you start. And also the reason why podcasting, 274 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: why ninety nine point nine a podcast no one ever 275 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: listens to because it's kind of hard to find. So 276 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: we just started thinking about doing We're like, we could 277 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: talk about TV. And Maddie had already done an advice 278 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: podcast a couple of years before that, right. 279 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, And we actually we we also kind 280 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 4: of we were thinking about something and then I had 281 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 4: Jake on as a guest. And then actually my friend 282 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 4: who was actually a game show casting producer who put 283 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 4: me on a couple of game shows. 284 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: He contacts second, you had you knew a game show, 285 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: you knew a game show casting producer, but you had 286 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: to get on from Craigslist. 287 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: He was on like four Emily, he was on like 288 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: four shows. 289 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: Once you get in one game show, they bring you 290 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: in like someone just emailed me yesterday wanted me to 291 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 4: come in and like practice the game before they actually 292 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: get people. 293 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: It's it's so it's fun. 294 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 4: But he is the one though he's a casting producer 295 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 4: and his wife at the time, I don't know. I 296 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 4: they're sim now, but his wife she produced shows like 297 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: shots of Sunset and reality shows. So they actually came 298 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 4: to us and wanted us to do like this is 299 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: before Queer Eye was rebooted. They want us to do 300 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: like a Queer Eye type of show with Jake and 301 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: I of traveling around in like helping people. And so 302 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,479 Speaker 4: we made a we made it. It's called a sizzleweel 303 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 4: you make like a little mini pilot. We filmed that. 304 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 4: We did all that and so nothing. I think they 305 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: pitched it out and no one bit but they're like 306 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 4: who are these people? But that's really where where we 307 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: were kind of like, Okay, this has teeth in it, 308 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: like how do we take this? But I think to 309 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: Jake and I were both the reason I started podcasting 310 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: for myself, and then I think why Jake came around 311 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: to it as well is that, you know, I have 312 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: another business partner were we pitch like reality shows and 313 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: game shows. But there's so and Jake, you know, writes 314 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: a lot of He just had a reading of a 315 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: musical he's doing, and he's written a lot of musicals, 316 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: and but we have these these layers of no we 317 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: have to get through just to get something made. So 318 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: that's the beauty of the Yes, it's beautiful in podcasting 319 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: and that if you commit to it, you can put 320 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: out something that's your own. And I think, yes, in 321 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: a back of our mind, we it wasn't about money. 322 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: It was about we had a vision of doing live 323 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: shows in front of people. 324 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: Yes, the money gave it, but big audience. 325 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a big thing when you're talking 326 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: about pivoting. Is this idea if you if you just 327 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: try to do this show for the money because everybody's 328 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: doing or whatever, it doesn't work out. But we had 329 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: the It's like when people say, did you imagine that 330 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 4: this could happen to you? And I said, actually, this 331 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: has been one of the most confirming things in my 332 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: life because this is exactly what Jake and I imagined 333 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: for our life in. 334 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: That weird French restaurant where we say, yeah, you think 335 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: we could do this, and we manifested it to say 336 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: to use as our as our One of our idols 337 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: Duck Queen Darcy on Dave Queen. 338 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: She's a woman in her mid forties who is just just. 339 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: Looking for love, but she's never find it yet, but 340 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: she's still manifesting. 341 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: I even got one of her key chains that says 342 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: manifest eleven eleven. 343 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: She's lovely. 344 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: She she speaks in Instagram captions and hashtags and godless 345 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: works for her and for her, Yeah, it. 346 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Works for her, and it works for you guys. Like, 347 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: how much has the format change and the content changed 348 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: since when you started. 349 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: That's a good question, but I think it's we probably 350 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: became a little more self aware, Like I maybe wouldn't 351 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: make really horrible jokes. 352 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: I still make them, but we try to add some 353 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: of them out. 354 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: I think the format really only changed because we started 355 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: out doing scripted shows or these weird sometimes these weird 356 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: YouTube videos, like we tried on those weird black face masks, 357 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: and it was it was always our friendship and how 358 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: we responded to each other and always just like an 359 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: elevated version of. 360 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: How we are in real life. And I would always 361 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: say to our director and. 362 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know if my character would do that, 363 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: and our director would go, your character is you? Come on, 364 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: so I think Lindsay Lindsay Lindsay would say your character, 365 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: your character is you. So it is a little elevated, 366 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: but it's us and it's our friendship. We started doing 367 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: one of our we had a Facebook group because we 368 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: were doing a little bit of reality television, and our 369 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: Facebook group moderator Jackie said, you guys should look at 370 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: Nanny Day Fiance because that would be a great choice 371 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: for you, we think, and I'm like. 372 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen a couple episodes, let me watch again. 373 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: And I remember going back and as soon as I 374 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: saw Paul run of Paul and Karini run towards the water, 375 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: and then Karini followed him going and then someone stole 376 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: their phone, I went, I'm in. 377 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 4: I think that was the same episode where Darcy was 378 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 4: going to meet her guy and her stiletto hill got 379 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 4: stuck in the escalata. 380 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: That was again like I'm into this shop. 381 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: It was its reality that takes people who you know 382 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, those are just fool That person 383 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: is foolish, but they have such either a good heart 384 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 3: or they want something so much you're like, I'm going 385 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: to watch this person stumble through the wreckage of their 386 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: life because there's something beautiful about that. 387 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: And the kind of the rest is history love. 388 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: They want to believe it. 389 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we all do one love. It's why shows 390 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: like Love is Blind we talk about that. Why it's so. 391 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 4: Big because people people are asking themselves these kind of 392 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: existential questions about what would I do for love? 393 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: And then we started we did Night If Fiance. 394 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: We kind of broadened it with about shows about relationships 395 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: and people who are looking for love because we find 396 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: that that is just the ultimate human dilemma and something 397 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 3: we're all look a look at how many reality shows 398 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: or just even scripted shows are about people looking for 399 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: love is the ultimate thing for us to be obsessed with. 400 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: And we kind of people ask us how we moved 401 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: up pretty quickly, We just we kept doing what we 402 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 3: who we are, and we guested on a couple of 403 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: people's podcasts who were popular. 404 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: That was a good that's you know, go on your 405 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: friend shows. 406 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: But it's kind of staying true to yourself and doing 407 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: what you think is fun and doing what you think 408 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: is funny, and doing what you're interested in, and it'll 409 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: show up. 410 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: If it's authentic, it'll it'll show up for you. That's 411 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: what I've been committing to it. 412 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I really I'd say this all the time, 413 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: but I really say, like, read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, because 414 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: we put in our ten thousand hours. I think we 415 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 4: podcasted for three and a half four years before we 416 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: made a dime, and we just kind of kept saying 417 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 4: unless it felt really wonky, like we were doing some 418 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: type of app with like the Redford Family of CB, 419 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: like Cray, like some weird Redstone Redford Ready or whatever, 420 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 4: like just crazy shit, we were like, is this mafia? 421 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 4: But we're like, oh, it's not hurting anyone. Like an 422 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: we would just say yes to a lot of things 423 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 4: did say yes, and that was so great for us 424 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: because it just we honed our skills on that. 425 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: But we you know the thing that most podcasts or I. 426 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 4: Think just in life, whether it's a work out, planning 427 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 4: a podcast or whatever, is I mean, we couldn't do 428 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 4: it now because we're in our mid forties, but at 429 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 4: the time, we would both work our day jobs, and 430 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: then I think we would start podcasting at like nine pm, 431 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 4: nine o'clock on Wednesday nights and go till like eleven 432 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: thirty midnight. And we did that once a week for 433 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: two three years and just like two or three years 434 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 4: just we also used to get a little drunk during 435 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 4: those shows that we don't do that now that hell. 436 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: There's sometimes if you'll go back to those old shows, 437 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: I'll do at the end of it, you'll just hear 438 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: me go. 439 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, like a wine slur shows. 440 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: This is one of the piece of advice that you 441 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: are giving me to start getting a little drunker during 442 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: these interviews. And then I'm like, oh, it was really 443 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: a bit and you had a change, right, You. 444 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: Get if you get belligerent after a few Maybe not, 445 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: but I would say for us it helped us. 446 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: It was that kind of show. 447 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: Nowadays it's more of a business where we meet every 448 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: day or every every four days a week and we 449 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 3: do our stuff and it's a we I don't think 450 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: either of us thought it would become something that we'd 451 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: be able to consistently support ourselves in a way where 452 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: both of us felt very comfortable. I grew up as 453 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: a musician and I never I always thought I was 454 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: going to be a gigging, hand to mouth musician. 455 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: That that was the life I had kind of settled 456 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: for myself, and I was perfectly happy doing that. 457 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: But I will say, once you're not hand to mouth, 458 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: it's kind of nice where you don't have to take 459 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: every gig that you don't have to go to Pacoima 460 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: and play at a lady's wine tasting lunch and and 461 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: have them have bothered them about the check that they 462 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: need to give you for an hour. 463 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: That's kind of nice. 464 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: Or tour around China. At the beginning of COVID, true. 465 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: I was. We did that. 466 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 3: At the very beginning of COVID, I was on an 467 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 3: orchestral tour playing piano and an orchestral tour of literally y'all. 468 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: He left December twenty nineteen, at the end of December. 469 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: It was there. In January twenty. 470 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: Twenty, I was and we were like our promoters were saying, yeah. 471 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: There's a little virus going on in South China. We're 472 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: nowhere near that. 473 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: Y'all. 474 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: Don't need to worry about a thing. Just keep doing 475 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: what you're doing and it was fun. 476 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: China was beautiful, the people were lovely. We've started seeing 477 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: more and more. 478 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: People in masks at concerts and I had people contacting 479 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: us from the podcast. In Chinese media, you only see 480 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: what this is, no surprise, You only see what the 481 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: state wants you to see. So unless you had a 482 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: VPN in China, you can't see anything. 483 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: Literally forgot to get one. 484 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 4: So I forgot to get one, and he messaged me 485 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: and said they don't have faithbook here. 486 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: I went, Jake, it's China. He's like, you can't Google, 487 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's China, Jay, So you've got to 488 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: use bing in China. That's what being goes. We're going 489 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: to tell you what you want to hear, what the 490 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: government wants to hear. 491 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: So we basically are One day, we woke up on 492 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: our promoters, like, so you know how. 493 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: Everything we said, everything was fine. 494 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 3: We're gonna fly you all back six days before we're 495 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: going to go to Beijing, and we're gonna drive sixteen 496 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: hours across the country, and. 497 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: We're gonna stop at rest areas and you're gonna wear 498 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: a mask because we want to keep you guys together. 499 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: Everything's fine, don't worry. That's all normal. 500 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: It's okay, uh and so we I was one of 501 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: the last flights not to have to be quarantined out 502 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: of China, and it was it was a crazy experience, 503 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: some of us seeming like we're sick on the tour, 504 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 3: like a people had a miss miss shows and everyone says, oh, 505 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 3: it's just China crud. Everyone gets it because it's very 506 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: cold there in January. But I will say flying back 507 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: in a mask from Beijing to la for nine hours 508 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: and thinking. 509 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to take off my mask ever in 510 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: my wife. 511 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: Was a scary because it was January twentieth, twenty twenty, 512 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: and I was just like, okay, I guess we're going 513 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: to survive. 514 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: I guess this will be okay. 515 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: And the CDC when I got when I got back, 516 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: I got a call from. 517 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: Like, Hey, this is Mallory from the CDC, just the sweetest. 518 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: We know you recently flew from China. I'm like, how 519 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: did you. 520 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: She's like, oh, we we went on the light manifests. 521 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, of course you do. Government. She was so sweet. 522 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: We're wondering if you'd get a blood test. We've already 523 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: arranged it for you. 524 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: We're just wondering. 525 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 2: This city was so nice. She's like, yeah, just wondering. 526 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, I can do that probably next week. No, 527 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: it's today. That's kind of what it was. It's tomorrow. 528 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: They're waiting outside your door. Yeah, they're waiting. Then look 529 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: right outside. 530 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: You like to leave his suitcase like in the hallway 531 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: or not unpack it for like a week. 532 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I was to leave my suitcase in the hallway 533 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: in sunlight if possible, and never use if I brought 534 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: anything that was that could be consumed, to throw all 535 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 3: of it away. In general, I shouldn't take anything out 536 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: of my suitcase for a couple of weeks. 537 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't know at that point. So it's a 538 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: weird time, right, they didn't know. 539 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: Well, I mean when I think about that, that is 540 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: essentially when I had my third baby. So I was 541 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: in the hospital like unmasked, you know, like no precautions, 542 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: everyone in and outs. Is just so funny to think 543 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: about the fact that they were like, oh, leave everything 544 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: out in the hallway in the sunlight, and here I 545 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: was like in the hospital, like everyone breathe all over 546 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: each other, no problem, Because like I was in New York, 547 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: not coming out of when it turned out there's COVID 548 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: there already. 549 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: It was it was a really crazy time. And now 550 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: now look where. 551 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: We are exactly now we look where we are. I'm 552 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: sitting in a in a princess canopy bed and you 553 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: guys are world famous podcasters, So you know, I guess 554 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: things like how do I even transition from that? But 555 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: it is so interesting like when I started, when I 556 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: started he pivots, when I started this show, I had 557 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: this idea that if I was going to do a podcast, 558 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: it had to be like heavily produced, very structured, like 559 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: almost like a documentary. And the more I'm going through it, 560 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: and the more I'm going through the episodes, it's like 561 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: feeling a little looser to me. And that's honestly why 562 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: we're doing like these kind of conversations that we're calling 563 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: like the Canton Conversations and even going into heat pivots, 564 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: even getting some men in there, because it just like 565 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: you guys have had such like a I mean the 566 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: loosest of formats, Like if I started at one extreme 567 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: in the most highly produced of formats like that, you 568 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: started in the loosest. 569 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. We just got it. That's putting 570 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: it mildly. 571 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 4: Our social formats, our social media person, Caitlin's it was 572 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 4: compiling like a thing. We never read reviews anymore. I 573 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: mean not because we don't, we just don't think about it. 574 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 4: But she was compiling our Apple podcast reviews. 575 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 2: And one of them. 576 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: Said, this show, it's so well produced and they take 577 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: the time and really prepare before they turn on the mic. 578 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 4: So that way, well, we don't do that at all. 579 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: But I think it's just we've done it so long 580 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: we have, and. 581 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: I think there are some people say, yeah, I could 582 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 3: really skip the twenty minutes of announcements before they start 583 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: talking about the show, And I'm like. 584 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: That is the show. If you want to show, you 585 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: want to. 586 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 5: Recap podcasts, the show is is Maddie saying, oh, you 587 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 5: know the woman from blah blah blah, who hosts who 588 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 5: hosts Press Your Luck, you know, And he's like, you know, 589 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 5: what's her name? 590 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Smart? 591 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: And I take a moment and say, no, Elizabeth Smart 592 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: was kidnapped and she played the harp you're talking about 593 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: Elizabeth Banks. And it was just a moment where and 594 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: those are the moments that stay with people. 595 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: Those are the moments where our listeners make memes of 596 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: Elizabeth Smart playing the harp on the press You're life. 597 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 3: So I would argue that authenticsts is your best asset, 598 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 3: and being your authentic self it let let your let 599 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: let that, let that magnet that's in the center of 600 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: your body lead you. You know it, you know what 601 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 3: you should do and don't second guess it, And we've 602 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: tried to stop doing that. 603 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I mean when do you second guess? 604 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Like you guys have been so generous with your time 605 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: and advice to me, Like as I've been getting into 606 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: this and even in like the year year and a 607 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: half that I've been doing this show, I feel like 608 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: the podcast industry is changing and I don't totally know 609 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: how to keep up with it. Like, how are you 610 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: guys thinking about it? 611 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we love you, so we loved that, 612 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: of course. 613 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: And secondively, but also too, I'm not just saying this, 614 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: like when I look at like when I think about 615 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: camp and the camp experience, like Jake and I were 616 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 4: both people think of us now, we were not very 617 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 4: confident individuals when we were in our mid twenties. 618 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: He was from South Carolina, I was from Oklahoma. 619 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: We I came out a little bit a few before him, 620 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 4: but we both just weren't we weren't fully comfortable in 621 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 4: our bodies. We weren't fully comforting ourselves. And I remember 622 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: meeting you and you were like a force. 623 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: Of contrarash loud girl who is just letting it out there, 624 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I want to be here, Yes, damn 625 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: you do you. I had that feeling of I want 626 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: to be like Emily, I want to be here. So yeah, 627 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: it feels night made out with the guy from Mack 628 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: and Ac. I'm pretty sure knows my mom. 629 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: They were also probably like teenagers. 630 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, but still it's nice to be the position to 631 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: where anyway you were. Really you were like one of 632 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: those kind of temp pole people from that camp that 633 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 4: like you and Bryce, that greatly influenced not my life 634 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: but also the type of person I want to be 635 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: in the world, say in my own version of that. 636 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 4: So we like, really, that's why we love helping you 637 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: and just helping all podcasts. I will say that for 638 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 4: podcasting in general, I've never we Jake and I work 639 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: in show business. 640 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: And the rest of show business is not the same. 641 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 4: Whereas podcasters, I found like on the whole, are really 642 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: willing to help out. 643 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: Other podcasters because it's just great for all of us. 644 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: It is if the more people who listen, the more 645 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: people who are creating, they're not competing with you people 646 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: who do not I fyance. 647 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people think that we. 648 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: Compete with other podcasters who do ninety day, but actually, 649 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: if you listen to one, chances are you listen to others. 650 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: And the more we can support our kind of siblings 651 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: who do the kind of the same show, it's good 652 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: for everybody. 653 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: I think maybe that's what's drawn me and kept me 654 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: into podcasting, that I like that spirit of like a 655 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: rising tide rises all ships. So that did I always 656 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: mix up these metaphors? 657 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's it. That's it. 658 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: Okay, that was the closest I've ever gotten to a 659 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: correct metaphor. 660 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: That was great. I think that Beyonce episode time or something. 661 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: Recently, they've been getting very prosaic with their titles they are. 662 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I so appreciate that from you guys, But 663 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: it also it would have never occurred to me that 664 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: you were both insecure in that moment in your mid 665 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: twenties because quite frankly, I felt really lost. Like I 666 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: think the reason that I was partying so much is 667 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: because that felt comfortable to me, and I didn't feel 668 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: really confident in any other space. Like we were working 669 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: at a theater camp. 670 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: That's why I had same but you know, like, that's 671 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: that's why we slid out. 672 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Like we were working at a theater camp 673 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: where everyone had graduate degrees in their fields and I 674 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: worked in the front office answering the phones because I 675 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: had no talent. Do you guys remember what the camp? 676 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you guy or may not remember this? The camp 677 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: director said to me, Remember I used to take dance 678 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: class with the kids every summer. I would remember that 679 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: I would be in the one dance class that with 680 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: the modern dance, and that I would be in the 681 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: like the mediocre kid dance performance. And the owner of 682 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: the camp said to me, after a couple of year, 683 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: is it doing it? She said, Emily, it is such 684 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: an inspiration for those kids to see you dance the 685 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: way that you dance and not be embarrassed. It's an inspiration. 686 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: And I'm like, and it was said with such sincerity. 687 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Her core sincere. I was like, thank you so much. 688 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: Maybe now still looking for her talent. Yeah, oh yeah, 689 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: that was a big one. That was a big one. 690 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: Like when I met you, guys, I was in law 691 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: school and I was coming during the summers to be 692 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: a camp counselor because I needed to be in a 693 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: place that I could feel confident like that. I felt 694 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: so overwhelmed in law school and like in the rest 695 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: of the world and like really not I felt really 696 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: out of place, like I really didn't know. I was 697 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: fluctuating between feeling like I was a little wild and 698 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of a reverend and you know, like a door 699 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe like sort of a theater personality, but trying to 700 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: be a lawyer and didn't feel like I really fit 701 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: into that, but didn't have any talent to me in theater, 702 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: like you know, trying to be a Lauren and didn't 703 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: feel like I could really fit in there. So it's 704 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: interesting for me to hear you guys say that you 705 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: that I came off as confident to you, because you 706 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: guys came off as confident an inspiration to me when 707 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: I was like, they're so good. 708 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: As well to you, Yeah, which is why we say 709 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: you don't know what anyone's going through. 710 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: You just that's why just be kind, Just fucking be kind, 711 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: that's all. That's that's all, unless you're a star on 712 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: our show, and then we're just going to destroy you. 713 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: Unless you're Beyonce. 714 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna really come hard for you, especially 715 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: if you're If you're shitty to people, I'm gonna be 716 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: really awful. 717 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: To you, and then you'll never mean on our account exactly. Okay, 718 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: So do you guys think that you first. I'm so 719 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: appreciate it that you guys are coming out and talking 720 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: with me about this. So do you think you will 721 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: pivot again? 722 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: Hmmm? Yeah, Yeah, I think so. 723 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: I think the nature of this industry is changing, and 724 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 3: podcasting is all I think both of us are. I 725 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 3: can't speak totally for him, but life for me has 726 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 3: been a series of acts. This is not even This 727 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: is like my fourth act right now, and it's I 728 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: can see another one down down the and it's in. 729 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: Change is scary, but the world, the world's changing, so 730 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: you might as well change with it. 731 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I feel I feel like I'm honestly 732 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 4: just starting act too. I feel that young in the 733 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 4: process as far as creatively, my confidence in doing the 734 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 4: things that I've just always wanted to do and either 735 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: didn't because I was not confident in it, or I 736 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 4: didn't know how to go about doing that. 737 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: So I think. 738 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: Sometimes when people hear the word pivot, they think that 739 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 4: everything changes, that means and it all has to be 740 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 4: washed away and something completely new has to be built. 741 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 4: And I don't see it that way anymore because I 742 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 4: look back to, like, at least for me, one of 743 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 4: my friends, she's an influencer and host as well, my 744 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: friend Don McCoy. She said, I really feel like a 745 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 4: lot of us are just trying to get back to 746 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 4: what between the ages of like six to eight, when 747 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 4: we discovered imagination and we discovered play and we discovered 748 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 4: like a world within us that we could build. I 749 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: really feel like a lot of us are trying to 750 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 4: get back to that place and that feeling and doing 751 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 4: something in that. And that hit me when she said that, 752 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 4: because when that is so true, that's like when the 753 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 4: bug bit me. That's when all of that And I 754 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 4: feel like that I get that feeling from this from 755 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: the I say work, but the fun that Jake and 756 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 4: I do now, So I feel like I think there 757 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 4: could be a pivot, but I think there would be 758 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 4: a pivot maybe in how the external works and moves about, 759 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 4: but the internal I'm still I'm always searching for that 760 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 4: same feeling that the intention of making a difference in 761 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 4: the world, making people have fun and enjoy, And I 762 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 4: know Jake feels that way like that, I think will 763 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 4: always be at the center. 764 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: Of whatever I pivot too, spreading joy, telling people that 765 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: they're okay, helping people to feel okay or feel better, 766 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: and just to laugh or. 767 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 4: Change their day in any way not weird. We all 768 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 4: are weird, Yeah, we all are weird. 769 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 3: What we say at the end of every live show 770 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 3: is especially during the pandemic, and the end of the pandemic, 771 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 3: people hope was in short supply, and the the Emily 772 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: Dickinson poem of hope is a thing with feathers about 773 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: that that I was going, was gonna mess this up, 774 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: that that resides in the breast and it's always there. 775 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 4: Which I won three hundred thousand dollars answering that question 776 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 4: on that game show, by the way, who wrote that poem? 777 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 2: And I said Dickson and. 778 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: If I and then I said it I said it 779 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 3: later and you're like, who's that? 780 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 4: I did? 781 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: I did? 782 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 5: I did? 783 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: I did did I go to school with her? 784 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: We've had full circle on that poem. 785 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, Jake was saying something really point it and 786 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 2: I waylighted. 787 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry anyway, That's how it feels for us pivoting. 788 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 3: I agree it might be it might be external, but 789 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 3: the internal is going to be the same. 790 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: Well, we just say keep going, queens, so. 791 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't end on a better note 792 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: than that. Just keep going, queens. I love it. 793 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 2: Keep going out all queens, keep going, keep. 794 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: Going, all of Jake, Poodle and Mattie Reality Gaze. Thank 795 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: you so much for joining our very first he pivots. 796 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: Thank you dall. This has been so much fun by Sugar. 797 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this candid convo episode of she Pivots. 798 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: Check back in weekly for more conversations with inspiring women. 799 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: To learn more about our guests, follow us on Instagram 800 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: at she pivots the podcast. Leave a rating and comment 801 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: if you enjoyed this episode to help others learn about it. 802 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: A special thank you to our partner Marie Claire and 803 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: the team that made this episode possible. Talk to you 804 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: next week. 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