WEBVTT - The Tylenol Murders, Part I 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.720 Hey, friends, before we get going, we are super excited 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:08.440 to announce our true thousand nineteen live tour. Yes, we're 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.400 still alive, and we're gonna come prop ourselves up on 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.000 stage in front of you and cities around the country 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.720 and Canada. That's right, everyone. Tickets go on sale this 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.800 Friday at ten a m. Your local time wherever these 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.439 cities are, and we're gonna kick things off in the 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.360 great City of Chicago in July at the Harris Theater, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.240 followed the next night at the Danforth Theater in Toronto, 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.000 Canada on July. Yea. Then we're gonna take a month 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.000 long nap and wake up, and on Thursday, August twenty nine, 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.880 we're gonna take ourselves to Boston, Massa our beloved Wilbur Theater. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.760 The next night, we're going to a new city, first 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.919 time ever, in Portland, Maine at the State Theater. I'm 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.480 so excited about that one. Me too. And then Chuck, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.560 we're gonna take a nap for another full month, wake 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.240 up again, dust our selves off, and go to Orlando, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.760 Florida for the first time ever. We're gonna be at 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.840 Plaza Live. Yeah, man, first Florida show, and then we 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.160 are finishing up that mini leg in New Orleans, yep, Thursday, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.680 October tenth, at the Civic Theater. We're returning, So prepare 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.759 the city for partying, everybody. That's right, and we're gonna 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.520 wrap it up at least for now at our beloved 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.440 Bell House in Brooklyn, New York, for three shows October again, folks. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.400 Tickets for all these shows go on sale this Friday 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.360 today am your local time, and just go to all 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.640 of these venue websites for ticketing. Yep. Thank you for 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:37.400 coming to see us in advance, everybody. We're excited. Welcome 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.680 to Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:48.600 Radios How Stuff Works. Hey you, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:54.400 I'm Josh. There's Chuck. There's Josh, not me, Chuck. Guest 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.200 producer Josh is back in the house. Yeah, and there's 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.640 little Chuck in your pockets, remember a little I was 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.040 just about to say that you got that right, Tony. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.360 Oh man, what a great sketch it really was. That 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.000 was Nicholas Cage, wasn't it. Yeah? Man, did you ever 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.920 see Mandy? Yes? It was terrible. I don't care what 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.920 anybody else says. It terrible, terrible, movie. Yeah, Nolan, I 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.960 talked about it on movie Crush. He's seen it like 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.959 four times, thinks it's the best thing ever. Come on. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.160 He was like, people love it or hate it, and 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.680 now it's like, actually, I was kind of in the middle. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.400 Were you really? Yeah? I mean I told him young Chuck, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.519 like twenty two year old college Chuck would have probably 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.680 liked it a lot more. But today Chuck was kind 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.400 of like, I get it. Like, sure, sure, parts of it, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:46.799 we're fine. Sure to me. Spending an hour doing character development, huh, 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.280 but not successfully making you care about the characters just 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.320 really irked me. Wow, you had structural issues. Yeah, that 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.600 was really the big thing. I also thought Lenis Roach 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.000 was very very odd for casting, but that was the 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.440 main bad guy that that was weird, very weird. I 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.960 don't even know him, but he's from Law and Order 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.400 and like some other stuff, you gotta get into law. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.280 See how much you're missing out on that's becoming a bit. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.639 So did we start recording yet? I think so. I 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:22.640 already welcomed everybody the podcast. Um so, Chuck, we are 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.359 this is some true crime stuff. For getting into here, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.840 that's right, But I feel like we need to set 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.320 the tone right, because this isn't This didn't happened just yesterday. 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.480 This happened way back in two in Chicago, Illinois. And 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.760 I remember this and I was like six at the time. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.480 It was one of my favorite years because of this, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.160 the opposite of that, right, mainly because of movies that 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.600 was so great about two. Look at up man? Well, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.800 I was kind of hoping, Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.440 was Do you know I didn't see Blade Runner until 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:04.200 I was forty. That's not true. Yes, the original, the 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.160 original Blade Runner. Did you like it? That was good. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.120 I like the second one too, You're like, but they 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:14.280 spent way too much time on character. Um. Yeah. And 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.240 I just did a little poking around about two and 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.640 it was it was a good year for an eleven 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.360 year old, but it was an uneasy time in America. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.040 Uh well for a bunch of awful things happened that year. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.600 Uh And I don't know if it was any more 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.320 or less than other years, but uh, air Flight ninety 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.640 crashed into into the Potomac River, remember that in Washington, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.920 d C. The plane crash in the river. Didn't hit 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.920 a bridge maybe, but there was there was like a daring, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.520 icy river rescue. Yeah, seventy eight people died. Though that 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.120 same day a metro train in d C de Rail 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:56.200 killed three people. Uh. February was when Wayne Williams was convicted, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.039 and that was just the end of a lot of 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:04.120 uneas you know for years. Uh, Klaus Vambu Law was 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.719 found guilty of attempted murder of his wife in March. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.640 I didn't make it to the end of reversal of fortune, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.839 so I honestly didn't know what happened to class guilty. Uh. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.919 In June was the murder of Vincent Chen, who was 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:23.359 a Chinese American who was beaten to death by two 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.640 men in Michigan thinking he was a Japanese and they 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:31.640 were like stealing his their auto work. I know, right, Uh. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.880 And then July nine, pan Am flight seven nine goes 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.799 down in Louisiana, Louisiana kills all one forty six people 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.600 on board, plus eight more on the ground. And then 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.440 in September, early September was when I know, man, remember 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.240 planes used to just crash a lot. Yeah, that never 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.040 happens now, Uh, not as much. But yeah, weird that 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.800 we're recording this in the midst of more plane gradges 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.520 and then early September was when that paper boy and Iowa, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.320 Iowa was kidnapped and never seen again. Johnny ghosh M. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.560 I don't know that one. That was a big deal too, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.479 because it was you know, the paper boy, and there 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.120 was this false story about a pedophile ring from politicians 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.800 and that turned out not to be true, but he 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.640 was never found again. So basically everything that's going on 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.560 today is just a rehash of two It sounds like 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.400 I just remember being about that age and they're just 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.080 the nightly news sort of just being a horror show 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:33.400 and not politically speaking, you know, like real bad incidences occurring. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.520 Well yeah, plane crash, like just about it at any age, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.479 like that'll that'll bring you down if you see that 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.599 on the news for sure, Yeah, um, because you know, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.080 when you get on a plane, you think maybe this 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.719 plane will go down while I'm on it, and that 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.120 would be terrible. Although I wasn't flying at eleven. So 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.960 all of those things you just mentioned sweep them totally 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.280 off the table, because come the end of September of 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.080 that year, nothing else mattered but what we're about to 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:07.440 talk about now, that's right, Nothing nothing came close to 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:13.360 taking the over the national psyche like the deaths of 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:20.680 seven people beginning on September two in Chicago, Illinois. Yeah, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.920 and one of the articles I read about this, I mean, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.120 are we trying to keep it a secret? It's a 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.280 show title, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they're gonna 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.120 have to figure it out. So yeah, go ahead, the 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.720 thailantal murders. Okay, you're like, oh no, no, but that's 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.320 that comes up in part two. Oh yeah, this is 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.680 a two parter. Yeah, as well so Buckling and everybody. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.200 Uh So. I was doing some research though, and I 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.400 saw one article that said something about, you know, the 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.600 first domestic terror incident United States that nobody has ever 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.880 heard of? Like what? Who hasn't heard of this? A 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.920 millennial wrote that headline. Well, I have to say it. 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:57.920 Josh on the way in here. Yeah, I told him 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.640 thailandle murders and huh he goes, what's tail and all? 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.240 You old Kadr, we should probably say what Thailand all is? 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.840 Huh Okay, yeah, I guess just in case you are 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.880 a MILLENNI only you've never heard of Thailand all but 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.120 tail and all was and still is and over the 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.520 counter pain reliever. It's like you have eggs and pains 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.239 and apparently what's crazy people would take thaile and all 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.440 whatever was wrong with them because now you can go 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:30.200 get like you know, aspirin and um adville and and 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.600 a lead. There was no leave back then. That was 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.280 a nineties drug. There's way more over the counter pain 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.720 relievers now than they we're back then. Back then, Thailand 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.439 All was basically it. Yeah, it's a sea of menafin, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.640 which is different than aspirin, and I think a lot 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.240 of people just think those are interchangeable. Right. The reason 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.320 I believe thailand All became so big is because aspirin 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.240 upsets a lot of people's stomachs tail and all does not, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.199 or it's not supposed to, And that's why it came 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.040 out of nowhere and just took over the aspera market. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.400 I think by two Thailand All had thirty seven percent 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.000 of the market. It's pretty good cornered. Yeah, yeah, almost half, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.520 especially since like some of the other like aspirants have 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.800 been around since you know, nineteenth century, right, So it 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.320 makes sense then that when a little girl named Mary 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.720 Anne kellerman Uh complained that she had a sore throat 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.000 and wasn't feeling too good at like seven am on Wednesday, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.160 September two. Her parents said, just take an extra strength 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.600 to tail and all and go back to bed man 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.600 first sore throat. Imagine the guilt. Oh no, these parents 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.880 feel well, don't blow it. We haven't said what happens 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.520 to Marianne Kellerman yet. I think everybody knows. Uh. Yeah, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.520 she got up, said I'm sick. He said, take this. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.559 The father said he heard her go into the bathroom 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.679 and close the door, then heard something drop and went 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.680 to the door, saying, are you okay, you're okay? Uh 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.560 no answer, opened the door and there she is on 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.920 the floor. Um. Taken to the hospital, but died very quickly. Yeah, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.560 probably was dead when she went to the hospital, was 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.640 pronounced there Um and she they suspected this is just 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.360 a little twelve year old girl of middle school. Girl 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.320 into Jane Adams Middle School. Um. She they think she 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.160 died of a stroke. That's what they thought happened to her. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.760 They were just so baffled that they're like, it had 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.280 to have been a stroke. That's the only thing that 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.760 can come on like this. Yeah. So that's seven am. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.480 Just the day is just beginning, and one atrocity has 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.520 already happened. Yeah, this is a this is a very 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:41.920 bad day in the history of Chicago September. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:46.640 and it started early Adam Janice, who uh will detail 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.200 his story, but put a pin in this one too, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.080 because he figures in even more prominently in a minute. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.000 But a little bit later that same morning, Uh, this gentleman, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.800 Adam Janese's twenty seven years old and lived in Arlington, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.280 it's another Chicago suburb, and he died. Uh. And they 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.600 think that this is a heart attack. Uh. He complained 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.600 of chess pains after he had driven his daughter's neighbor 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.680 home from school. Uh said, I'm gonna take the day off, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.319 comes home, eats a little lunch, takes two extra strength 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.520 tile and all that he bought from a local drug store. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.360 Collapses in front of his wife, and by you know, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.240 a few minutes later, when the paramedics arrived, he was dead. Right. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.720 And again, like you said, they said heart attack because 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.760 he's been complaining of chess pains, which had nothing to 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.440 do with it. But just like Marianne Kellerman took an 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.360 extra strength tile and all for a sore throat, he 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.559 took some extra strength tile and all for some chest pains. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 This is just what people did back then. Yeah, and 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.840 that's what complicated it a little bit at first. Um 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.080 was that you know, if you take the tile and all, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.559 it means you felt bad already. So obviously you know 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.360 they're gonna be saying like, wait a minute, chess pains 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.720 or some throat like, how does that figure in? Yeah, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.839 and it didn't. Plus, also, what made this even more 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.600 baffling is that Marianne Kellerman's twelve even healthy. Adam Janis 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.160 was twenty seven and healthy, and all of a sudden 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.320 they just dropped up. People don't just drop dead, no 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.320 matter what you see on TV or in the movies 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:13.440 or whatever. Dropping dead inexplicably is a really bizarre thing. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.360 When you're a healthy person. That doesn't happen. Uh. Next 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.360 we have Mary Reiner, same day, same day. This is 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.079 still all on the same day. Um, she's twenty seven 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.400 years old. She's feeling a little dizzy. She had just 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.800 come home from the hospital. Uh, after having given birth 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.200 to her fourth kid a couple of days before. Super 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.480 super sad. All of these are, obviously, but being a 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.839 just a brand new mom for the fourth time, it's 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.400 just so tragic. Uh. And then by three forty five. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.040 She was so ill she was rushed back to the 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.720 hospital and again died very very quickly. Yeah, and like 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.680 Adam Janis collapsed in front of his wife, she collapsed 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.080 in front of her young eight year old daughter. One 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.319 of her children sare um and Yeah, when she was 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.760 taking the hospit it all, they pronounced her dead as well. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:07.640 This is mid afternoon. Mary McFarland was up next. She 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.520 was over in um the the suburb of Lombard, and 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.560 she worked at the Illinois Bell Phone Center where you remember, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.760 like you go get your phone, like the rotary phone, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.640 you know, you would actually lease your phone. I wasn't 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.000 involved in that process, but we had them in our home. Okay, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.160 well your parents bought that stuff. No, there was like 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.360 a store where you would go It's like the phone 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.120 company's retail store, and you would go and be like 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.839 that pink one. It's like smartphones today, kind of same model. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.920 Kind of Um, yeah, I guess so, but this was 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.199 with a big, clunky rotary phone and you had to 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.720 pay extra for the extra long court. Well. Mary McFarland 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.679 worked in one of these stores, and at about four 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.920 o'clock UM at the Illinois Bell Phone center. She was 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.280 She had a massive headache that just came on out 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.439 of nowhere, and she went back and got some extra 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.920 strength tile and all out of her purse, took a 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:06.040 couple of them, and within minutes collapsed in the store. Yeah, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.200 she was young as well. She was thirty one years old, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.680 mother of two. And then remember I was talking about 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.600 Adam Janice a few minutes ago. Um, his family goes 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.480 to the hospital. Obviously, everyone converges there, he passes away, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.480 and so the family makes their way home UM to 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.400 begin morning and just sort of trying to reconcile what 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.120 had just happened. His brother, Stanley, he was only five, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.880 and then his wife Teresa, who was only nineteen, are 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.520 both just overcome and worn out and have headaches. So 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.680 they're at Adam's house. They got to his medicine cabinet, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.240 get out the tail and all that he took completely 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:51.000 unknowingly obviously, and uh, Stanley hits the ground, Foam comes 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.560 from his mouth, his eyes rolled back in his head. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.200 Everyone's freaking out, and a few minutes later his wife 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.520 collapses and they called the ambulance. By the time and 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.840 the ambulances get there, I think Stanley died that day, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.400 and Teresa somehow managed to live a couple of days. Yeah, 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.040 she hung on. And I don't know if like her 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.440 dose is lesser or what, but but she she survived 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.320 for a couple of days after that. Yeah. I mean 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.760 my guess is that, uh, there just wasn't as much 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.920 cyanide and the capsule she took. Did I just give 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:27.400 something else away? But the so Stanley took his tail 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.600 in all first, and then Teresa's oo curs and one 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.840 of the paramedics noted, like Teresa was the one that 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.640 called the ambulance out to come out for Stanley. And 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.320 when they get there, they're they're both like on the 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.000 ground and they're like, what's going on? And one of 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.160 the paramedics said, everything that was happening to the guy 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.560 happened to the woman like a couple of minutes later, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.520 like she was just following him through this process of 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.160 like basically systemic organ failure. And this is the same 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.200 day that his brother had passed away. Yep, this is 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.800 about five six hours, six hours after Adam Janis had 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.720 Then finally, I know this is all tough to go through. Everyone. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.920 We almost selected this as our next live show I'm 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.000 really glad we did, because, I mean, can you imagine 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.720 trying to liven this up with some jokes? I thought 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.840 the whole time I was like, no, we can do that. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.800 But yeah, the more I got into it, I was like, yeah, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.760 it's probably not good live material. We should have a 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.960 rule of thumb that any story that begins with the 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.640 death of a twelve year old girl probably not live 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.680 show material. I think you're right. So finally we have 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.960 Paula Prince. Paula Jeene Prince. This is a couple of 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.600 days later. This is not the same day. This is 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.080 on Friday evening. She was a thirty five year old 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.720 flight attendant and she was found dead in her apartment 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.320 after police responded for a welfare check that her sister 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.080 called in saying, hey, you know, I know she's a 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.920 flight attendant and all, but no one knows where she is. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.280 Can you go check on her welfare check up? And 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.480 they finally found her and she was gone. Yes, very 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.360 very sad. She was found in her bathroom with a 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.280 bottle of Strength of Title and all still open on 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:08.359 the counter, and she uh. They looked into um her 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.160 receipts and found that she had purchased it on Wednesday September. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.320 That's right. Uh So, at the end of this very 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.560 short span of time in the Chicago area, we have 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:22.480 seven people dead, and I feel like that's a good 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.040 time to take a message break. Yeah, yeah, all right, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:50.919 stop stop, okay, Chuck, So you said cyanide. How did 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.040 you know that? Because I was eleven years old and 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.400 I watch the nightly news like all eleven year old 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.800 state you just called it just me and broke off 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.760 Dan Rather, Yeah, Copley? Who else? That was it? Peter 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.960 Jennings He came a little later, but sure, yeah, yeah, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.760 he came after somebody. Well, I mean Cronkite wasn't still around, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.600 was he? Or was he? I don't know. I don't 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.920 think so. I was. I was going to be into 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.480 the news as a kid a little bit. Oh yeah, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.440 I mean that was that was where you got your 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.840 news back then. Yeah, you would watch the evening news. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.639 It's very strange to think about now with the with 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.520 the up to the minute news cycle. So oh yeah, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.160 I know how much more innocent things were back then. Um, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.320 So remove yourself from the benefit of hindsight or the 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.560 benefit of Dan Rather's insight, and put yourself in the 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.760 shoes of the people in Chicago. Right, these are five 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.879 These are seven different deaths. Um, I think from five 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:55.399 different townships in the greater Chicago area, including Chicago. Paula Prince, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:19:00.280 the last person to die, lived in Chicago. These people 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.640 aren't talking. These people have no idea what's going on. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.320 It's just that there were five, seven separate, baffling deaths. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.680 If you want to if you were people to be dead, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.720 yeah I do. That's good. My voices aren't working though. Um. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.000 It just so happens that the ambulance, the paramedics that 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.000 showed up to attend to marry Mary Anne Kellerman, the 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.719 first girl to die. Um, they were just logging everything 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.080 because it was such a baffling thing, and they logged 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.160 her tile and all, yeah logged isn't collected, right, Yeah, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.879 took it as evidence to maybe look into who knows, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.359 But they took the extra shrink tile and all that 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.479 she had taken, not thinking anything of it, but just 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.840 basically throwing anything at the wall to see what stopped. Yeah, 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.600 I'm sure the dad was like, you know, she went in, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:47.679 took some tile and on and dropped dead. So it 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.879 probably made sense even though it's just tail and all 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.040 to say like, well, hey, let's at least take this 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.359 in yes, and that title and all that, right, you know, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.280 because that bottle of tile and all made its way 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:03.359 into the hands uh of a medical examiner um whose 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.680 name was Safer and Michael Schaefer tested the tile in 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.320 all and it was rather surprised to find that some 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.200 of the capsules had not tile in all in it, 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.160 but sixty five milligrams of potassium cyanide. And it takes 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.480 about fifty milligrams to kill a healthy adult. Yeah, I 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.920 mean some of them. I don't think they were all 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.320 exactly the same, but some of them had been completely 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:33.160 emptied of any staminafin and completely filled with cyanide. With cyanide, right, yeah, 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.639 I mean it was it was someone intent on for 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:40.360 sure killing people. Yes, because cyanide is no joke. It's 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.520 a it's a really really small molecule um and it 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.720 normally attaches to metals outside of the body, which is 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.720 why you have or minerals, I guess, which is why 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.080 you have potassium cyanide um when it goes into the 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.000 body when you ingest it, however you ingested, whether it's 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.399 from a tile in all capsule or breathing cyanide gas 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.240 like they used to use to execute people with, Like 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.000 they stopped using it for executions because it was such 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.400 a brutal death. Yeah, it's a very cruel, painful way 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.040 to die. Um in the body. It detaches from its 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.720 its mineral or metal, and it attaches to a protein 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:21.359 in the body called um cytochrome c oxidase, which doesn't 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.040 sound like could be a big problem, but it turns 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.880 out that that's about the worst protein that cyanide could 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.680 attach itself too, because we really need cytochrome c oxidase 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.919 to breathe. Yeah, basically it I mean, this sounds like 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.840 such a cruel thing because it's just rapid cell death 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.199 and it's not like your throat closes up and you 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.800 can't breathe, like you're inhaling oxygen and you you are 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.119 technically taking breaths, but the oxygen is not getting in 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.359 the cells. No, it's not because that c or that 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:59.600 cytochrome c oxidase is what helps transport the oxygen and 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.240 get and allows the oxygen to be used for energy. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.720 So if the potassium is clinging to it, the oxygen, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.560 can't it just stays in the bloodstream and it doesn't 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.879 get used by the cells. And since your central nervous 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.320 system is the most oxygen hungry system in your entire body, 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.520 it starts to shut down first. And when your brain 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.879 and your spinal cords starts shutting down, all sorts of 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:26.320 things happen. Your long start shutting down. Your heart, God 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.760 bless it keeps beating for minutes after the rest of 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.720 your body is shut down, so you're not technically dead. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.879 And they're not sure exactly how long the pain and 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.200 excruciation of dying from cyanide lasts, but they think you're 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.000 probably conscious in a way and freaked out for about 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.119 a minute at least, and your heart may continue beating 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.240 for three or four minutes after that. So it's not 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.840 a pleasant death at all. No. I mean, you're you're 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.000 gasping for air, You're breathing in air, and nothing's happening. 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.959 Like I said, um Stanley Janice, he was foaming at 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:02.960 the mouth and his eyes rolled back in his head 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.639