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Speaker 2: And that's because I am in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
Speaker 2: where I just got out of Drake May's Pro Day.
Speaker 2: I was at LSU and Baton Rouge yesterday. So we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about those two pro days. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: the Newland Patriots. I need to get better at these reads.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've done that. But where
Speaker 2: should we start. I think the first place that I
Speaker 2: want to start with before we get into the two
Speaker 2: pro days, and I'll talk about them in order. We'll
Speaker 2: start with Drake Masons, I'm just fresh off of scene
Speaker 2: that and then discuss Jaden Daniels. But Pro Days in general,
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that this has taught me
Speaker 2: hre this little tour that I've done here is that
Speaker 2: there's nothing more or polarizing than the pre draft process
Speaker 2: than pro das. I've never seen anything like it. How
Speaker 2: angry and how fed up people get over talking about
Speaker 2: individual throws out of pro Day or a guy that
Speaker 2: you know today. Drake may missed a couple early on
Speaker 2: in his session, and all of a sudden, it's the
Speaker 2: end of the world. These things just go back and forth,
Speaker 2: and I think the biggest thing that you have to
Speaker 2: emphasize with Pro Days is the tape is king. Nothing
Speaker 2: will ever replace the tape. The tape is the biggest
Speaker 2: part of the evaluation in terms of the football stuff. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the teams get with these guys and talk about the
Speaker 2: off field and the intangibles and all that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff as well, But in terms of football, the tape
Speaker 2: is the king. But I think one thing that you
Speaker 2: get when you go to these in person exposures is
Speaker 2: that you really see how we were talking about quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: how the ball flies out of the guy's hand, the
Speaker 2: control the guy has on the football, the ability to
Speaker 2: get outside the pocket and make throws like Drake may
Speaker 2: showed today, or Jaden Daniels throwing a lot of his
Speaker 2: throws in the pocket, you know, from under center, showing
Speaker 2: that he could do those types of things. You just
Speaker 2: have a different view of the velocity, the ball placement,
Speaker 2: all those types of things, and watching it on TV
Speaker 2: or watching it on film. So as much as I
Speaker 2: don't want to sit here in overrate Pro Days or
Speaker 2: underrate Pro Days, I think we all need to relax
Speaker 2: a little bit. In general, it's the Pro days, but
Speaker 2: just remember keep them in context. But more importantly, they
Speaker 2: do have there are a purpose to them. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: do them if there was zero purpose to them. So
Speaker 2: I think that some people go a little bit crazy
Speaker 2: with the anti Pro day stuff as.
Speaker 1: Well, they still run the forty. It's not a ton
Speaker 1: of purpose in the forty. I think the purpose is
Speaker 1: the guys that want to protect their stock and work
Speaker 1: out in a more controlled environment have that option than
Speaker 1: throwing at the combine. That's what it's combine for guys
Speaker 1: that think they're above the combine. I don't think you
Speaker 1: should be sold on any player based on a Pro Day. Now,
Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to knock a player a
Speaker 1: bit for a bad prodain for performance because kind of,
Speaker 1: like I just said, it's the most comfortable you're ever
Speaker 1: going to be throwing a football shorts and T shirt
Speaker 1: against air to your own teammates. Like, the only real
Speaker 1: variable is the pressure of it being in front of
Speaker 1: NFL evaluators. Now that being said, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people look at what Drake May did today and
Speaker 1: what Jane Daniels did yesterday and see that as some
Speaker 1: sort of horrible performance. Were they perfect?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I don't. That's not like a bad pro day.
Speaker 1: They were both fine. They were both okay. So if
Speaker 1: you're so turned off, I think, was it three balls
Speaker 1: hit the ground for Drake May? And it was for
Speaker 1: not including a drop for Jane Daniels did? And Daniel's
Speaker 1: session was was it fifty passes Drake May was seventy?
Speaker 1: Does four balls hitting the ground in a fifty pass
Speaker 1: set or three balls hitting the ground in a seventy
Speaker 1: pass session? Are you willing, really willing to let that
Speaker 1: overrule what you saw twelve thirteen, fourteen games a regular season,
Speaker 1: competitive padded live reps football. And if you say, you
Speaker 1: know what I saw what they did during the season,
Speaker 1: I didn't like them either. That's fine, Like you can
Speaker 1: totally believe that, And you're basing it on real, actual
Speaker 1: tangible like football. If you're gonna let a pro day
Speaker 1: sway you that much one way or the other, you're
Speaker 1: just looking for something, You're just looking for something to
Speaker 1: talk about because it's it's such low impact reps. That
Speaker 1: And again, neither one was perfect, But I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: either one went out and threw up all over himself either,
Speaker 1: And the same would go for JJ McCarthy and I'll
Speaker 1: even say people and how much I like Michael Pennix
Speaker 1: And there's people raving about his Pro day and saying, oh,
Speaker 1: look at him now, he's a first round lock.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I knew that. The Pro day shouldn't convince you of that.
Speaker 1: The Pro day is just about, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: really for the in person element. And how does he
Speaker 1: you know, how does the ball come out of his hand?
Speaker 1: You get a closer look at the footwork, thing like that,
Speaker 1: but you should more or less know how you feel
Speaker 1: about the player before the Pro Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally fair. And I think the one thing
Speaker 2: that this has taught me because the only other Pro
Speaker 2: Day I've ever attended in person was Boston College last
Speaker 2: year to go see z Flowers, and that wasn't looking
Speaker 2: at a quarterback, so it's a completely different animal when
Speaker 2: you're talking about a quarterback throwing. I think the one
Speaker 2: thing that this has taught me, and this will be
Speaker 2: for future years as well. Let's say the Patriots don't
Speaker 2: get the quarterback this year, they pass on the quarterback,
Speaker 2: they make the trade down, whatever, and we're all doing
Speaker 2: this all over again in twenty twenty five. You know,
Speaker 2: Lord help us, right, I mean, I hope not, but
Speaker 2: maybe we are. You cannot. And I say this not
Speaker 2: to insult anybody. I'm saying this because I learned this myself.
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any real takeaways from watching
Speaker 2: a quarterback's pro day on TV. It just doesn't translate
Speaker 2: the same way. And I think when you watch what
Speaker 2: these scouts and what these executives and coaches that were here,
Speaker 2: and the Patriots had another huge contingent in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 2: They had nine guys at LSU. They had nine guys
Speaker 2: at Chapel Hill. A little swap out with Cameron Williams
Speaker 2: going to Washington for Pennix's pro day with Matt Evans,
Speaker 2: who's an area a national scout, I should say, for
Speaker 2: the Patriots, So a little swap there, but the same
Speaker 2: eight guys, you know, the coaching staff, Gerrod Mayo, Als
Speaker 2: Van Pelt, TC McCartney, Ben McAdoo. Then the executive side,
Speaker 2: Ellied Wolf, Alanto, Hi Smith macro so all those guys,
Speaker 2: the top brat the top decision makers were there for
Speaker 2: both pro days. And I just feel like it doesn't
Speaker 2: based off of the reaction because your your voice or
Speaker 2: own battle was here today today to Alex, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: both of us felt the same way coming off of
Speaker 2: Drake May's pro But then you go and read the
Speaker 2: reactions on Twitter and you read the reactions. I listen
Speaker 2: to some of the reactions for people that weren't here,
Speaker 2: and I got to tell you it's it's very different
Speaker 2: reactions to it. I gotta be honest, and I think
Speaker 2: that you what you see is you see the actual
Speaker 2: ball flying out of the guy's hand, the velocity, the footwork,
Speaker 2: the things that you were talking about, how the scouts
Speaker 2: and the coaches are reacting to it right, Like, I
Speaker 2: think that's.
Speaker 1: Imprilliant too, And I would charge just to cut in.
Speaker 1: In addition to that, it's not like there's a level
Speaker 1: of this is the first guy you've seen throw. You
Speaker 1: were all in Louisiana watching Jane Daiels yesterday, so in
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I know you weren't, but a
Speaker 1: lot of these people were just in Michigan and just
Speaker 1: in USC Like it was the last one. So it's
Speaker 1: not like it was these people who haven't seen somebody
Speaker 1: throw football and have nothing to compare it to. It
Speaker 1: was the last one he was facing as much scrutiny
Speaker 1: I think talking about May as and we'll get Jane
Speaker 1: Daniels Prodey as well. But you know, May had as
Speaker 1: much pressure, I think as anybody going last, and I
Speaker 1: think there was as much scrutiny on him as anybody
Speaker 1: going last. So yeah, I put a lot more stock
Speaker 1: in the people that were there inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I say that as not to
Speaker 2: come off as holier than now or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just something that I were.
Speaker 1: There, You were there. That's better. It just is it.
Speaker 1: Just seeing it in person is better. That's just a
Speaker 1: fact of it.
Speaker 2: So just to tell the whole story, and we'll start
Speaker 2: with Drake May and then we'll get into Jadeen Daniels yesterday,
Speaker 2: to tell the whole story about Drake May. You're talking
Speaker 2: to some people afterwards. There was definitely a general consensus
Speaker 2: that he started off a little bit rough. You know,
Speaker 2: he had those two misses airmailed, a couple throws into
Speaker 2: the sideline that I think everybody's going to highlight that's
Speaker 2: anti Drake May. That were bad, you know, really two
Speaker 2: really bad miss is throwing those deep bauts. He mentioned
Speaker 2: it afterwards as well. He knew that they were, you know,
Speaker 2: not his best throws, and he wishes he could have
Speaker 2: those back. With that being said, once he settled into
Speaker 2: the pro Day, he really was starting to sling it.
Speaker 2: I mean he was really spinning it out there. There
Speaker 2: was a couple throws that had the whole place just
Speaker 2: Oohn and I Alex the sixty five.
Speaker 1: Yards to see the roof because it looked like he
Speaker 1: was getting pretty close to the roof.
Speaker 2: He got really close to the roof on one of
Speaker 2: the in air quotes pro Day throws right where you
Speaker 2: roll out to the right and throw back to your
Speaker 2: left or vice versa. He got a little bit close there.
Speaker 2: But the first throw and I was standing right on
Speaker 2: the sideline for this one down the right sideline to
Speaker 2: Tess Walker, about a sixty five yard go ball that
Speaker 2: had plenty of you know, plenty of runway. I mean,
Speaker 2: he had any of room to make that throw. And
Speaker 2: that was the first one that made my jaw drop.
Speaker 2: And then he hit a couple more of the movement throws.
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that really stood out that
Speaker 2: was different between Jaden Daniels' Prode in May's pro Da
Speaker 2: is that May really emphasized throwing off platform throwing on
Speaker 2: the run. I thought the level of difficulty at May's
Speaker 2: pro day was significantly higher than what I saw of
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. That's not to knock Jaden Daniels and say
Speaker 2: he was terrible, but Jaden Daniels stayed on his spot
Speaker 2: for the most part and made throws. I thought Drake
Speaker 2: May really pushed the envelope and his level of difficulty
Speaker 2: was much much higher. I think that was on purpose.
Speaker 2: You know, these two guys coming into this. I expected
Speaker 2: Drake May to look better in this setting. You know,
Speaker 2: he has the arm talent, he has the off platform ability,
Speaker 2: he has the gunslinger type of mentality. He's just got
Speaker 2: a bigger, stronger arm. That's just the bottom line. And
Speaker 2: I was expecting to see him be better. I thought
Speaker 2: he was better and not. Again, maybe it's a little
Speaker 2: bit of confirmation biased because I had Drake May ahead
Speaker 2: of Jaden Daniels in this process the entire time. But
Speaker 2: the throw that really put it over the top to
Speaker 2: me was the go ball. It has sixty five yards
Speaker 2: in the air, and I thought to myself, there, Alex,
Speaker 2: if the Washington Commanders pass on Drake May at number
Speaker 2: two overall, they're crazy. They're absolutely crazy, because this is
Speaker 2: a guy that can really add so much to your
Speaker 2: offense for the way that he can throw the football
Speaker 2: that I just don't necessarily see the same with Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2: I have confidence that Jayden Daniels is a better passer
Speaker 2: than maybe some other people do, that he can stand
Speaker 2: in the pocket and make throws. We certainly saw that
Speaker 2: with this vertical passing ability at LSU, the slot phase,
Speaker 2: things like that. But when it comes to having every
Speaker 2: single club in your back, there's absolutely no question which
Speaker 2: one has that in which one doesn't in this equation,
Speaker 2: and that's Drake May And I thought at the end
Speaker 2: you had right behind him was Gerardmeo, Elliott Wolf, Adam
Speaker 2: Peter and Dan Quinn. And I came away from this thinking,
Speaker 2: there's no way this kid's getting out of the top three.
Speaker 2: I can't see a way where both of those decision
Speaker 2: makers now were standing ten yards behind him the entire
Speaker 2: time during this workout, are going to look at what
Speaker 2: they saw today and say no thanks. I just can't
Speaker 2: see that happening.
Speaker 1: Or at the very least, if one of them says
Speaker 1: no thanks, some other decision maker comes up and says, fine,
Speaker 1: we'll take him right and moves up. So the most
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me was that, and you kind of
Speaker 1: alluded to it. He had so as his quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 1: Was the guy in the black shirt who was like
Speaker 1: simulating pressure, was running at him and obviously knows he's
Speaker 1: not gonna hit him, and it's not like real pressure,
Speaker 1: but like he's got to kind of change the arm
Speaker 1: angle and look around to see where the receiver is.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I've ever seen that in a
Speaker 1: pro day before, So I'll give him credit for that.
Speaker 1: That's a degree of difficulty. Look, guys usually want these
Speaker 1: things to be as comfortable as possible, so to add
Speaker 1: that little degree of difficulty, I'll give Drake make credit
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I took away from it was, I,
Speaker 2: you know, I watched Caleb's, I watched J McCarthy's. Those guys.
Speaker 2: Caleb made some incredible down the field throws in his
Speaker 2: just with the arm talent and in the pure you know,
Speaker 2: deep bulb ability there. But in general I thought that
Speaker 2: the person that tried the hardest to flash his abilities
Speaker 2: in this was Drake. May you know, just the off
Speaker 2: plat up that I mentioned. The other thing that I
Speaker 2: think really works for the Patriots in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways is some of the moving pocket throws he made.
Speaker 2: Those are two different things. And off platform the things
Speaker 2: that you were talking about where his QB coaches running
Speaker 2: at him and trying to simulate pressure and he's thrown
Speaker 2: off his back foard or he's thrown off of one
Speaker 2: leg and things like that. He also did a lot
Speaker 2: of bootleg simulation as well, where he was moving the
Speaker 2: pocket and then making throws. And I couldn't help but
Speaker 2: think when you look at a team like the Patriots
Speaker 2: that hire and Alex van Pelt, that you think are
Speaker 2: going to go into that Shanahan outside zone type of
Speaker 2: direction where you are going to want to move the
Speaker 2: pocket a lot off those bootleg actions, and some of
Speaker 2: the throws that he was making off of those movement
Speaker 2: pocket moving pockets were so avp it hurts right like
Speaker 2: that was exactly why I've always thought that he was
Speaker 2: a better fit in what they are envisioned doing. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't perfect, like you said, there was some struggles
Speaker 2: early on in the pro day for May, but once
Speaker 2: he settled in, I thought that the arm talent was
Speaker 2: on full display. All the throws that you could possibly
Speaker 2: think of in a pro day, he was making them.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are going to
Speaker 2: come away from this once you start to year some
Speaker 2: of the bigger Jay's talking to scouts and talking to
Speaker 2: executives around the league and reporting on this pro day,
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot of praise for Drake may
Speaker 2: and what he was able to put together. A couple
Speaker 2: more things from may I also thought it was interesting,
Speaker 2: you know, watching Mayo interact with Mac Brown and Dan
Speaker 2: Quinn at the end of the pro day. I took
Speaker 2: a picture of it I posted on Twitter, but it
Speaker 2: felt like one of those things where Mac Brown is
Speaker 2: sitting there saying, one of you guys is going to
Speaker 2: be coaching this kid next year. I don't know who's
Speaker 2: gonna be, but one of you guys are going to
Speaker 2: be coaching him next year. And he took a picture
Speaker 2: with the with the four of them, actually Arthur Smith,
Speaker 2: and I think it was Cliff Kingsbury somehow got into
Speaker 2: the photo as well, but it was Kingsbury, makes sense, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it was Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing with the twentieth overall
Speaker 1: pick in that picture.
Speaker 2: But yeah, or maybe it was Adam. Here's one of
Speaker 2: the other commanders. Guys him Peters and Cliftingsbury kind of
Speaker 2: look alike a little bit. Anyways, uh Drod Mayo on
Speaker 2: one side, Mac Brown in the middle, Dan Quinn on
Speaker 2: the other side, was the main photo in that instance.
Speaker 2: And like I said earlier, I can't see how this
Speaker 2: guy gets out of the top three. I don't think
Speaker 2: Mac Brown thinks he's getting out of the top three either.
Speaker 2: Just along with the Pro day stuff and along with
Speaker 2: the throws and stuff like that. The other things that
Speaker 2: I think stood out was how much people were talking
Speaker 2: about how the intangible factors with Drake may just a
Speaker 2: kid that I think a lot of people look at
Speaker 2: as a leader, A strong and tangible guy, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about Monday through Friday instead of just talking about
Speaker 2: what's happening on the field on Saturdays. You know, those
Speaker 2: types of things. Really competitive. I guess he's a very
Speaker 2: competitive guy off the field as well. Gets into a
Speaker 2: lot of pickleball battles, you know, basketball things like that.
Speaker 2: So somebody from the UNC coaching staff had mentioned that
Speaker 2: he felt like he probably could have made the UNC
Speaker 2: basketball team.
Speaker 1: If he is, his brother played for UNC basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if he wanted to go in that direction,
Speaker 2: he probably could have played basketball instead. It would have
Speaker 2: been a pretty good basketball player. So that's that's what
Speaker 2: the Drake May experience was like. There was one other
Speaker 2: thing that I wanted to mention along with tes Walker,
Speaker 2: by the way, and I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: I actually thought this was the best I've seen tes
Speaker 2: Walker look in this pre draft process. Rough Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: week he ran Foyle at the combine, which we were expecting.
Speaker 2: But today I actually was like, all right, you know,
Speaker 2: I can see what the tools that tes Walker brings
Speaker 2: to the table as well. And I thought he was
Speaker 2: had a nice day today too. You obviously have the
Speaker 2: vertical speed. But the other thing I think that stands
Speaker 2: out to him with him is he's six foot two,
Speaker 2: he's six foot three something like that. He's got a
Speaker 2: pretty large catch radius, and I'll though he's got some
Speaker 2: inconsistent hands, you can see how that can be helpful
Speaker 2: on that vertical rod tree to be able to throw
Speaker 2: it into his catch radius and have him go pluck
Speaker 2: the ball above his head or outside his frame. So
Speaker 2: I do wonder, you know, if you're the Commanders, if
Speaker 2: you're the Patriots, how much do you think about pairing
Speaker 2: Drake May and then coming back on day two, maybe
Speaker 2: early day three, and getting Tess Walker as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: that's some you know, we've talked about that if you
Speaker 1: take May, Walker becomes a little more valuable to you
Speaker 1: because you get him a receiver he's familiar with in camp.
Speaker 1: In that I don't know that it makes or breaks
Speaker 1: his development, but it certainly can't hurt. So the one
Speaker 1: other thing you talk about Drake May's competitiveness. Something I
Speaker 1: liked that he went back and did. It was a
Speaker 1: seventy throw script, but he made more than seventy throws
Speaker 1: because he went back and remade the throws he missed,
Speaker 1: and that just kind of he still missed. He still
Speaker 1: missed him and it doesn't take away from missing them.
Speaker 1: And you'd hope that, you know, against air, he's hitting
Speaker 1: at least fifty percent of the time, right, But it
Speaker 1: kind of shows the competitiveness of like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: leaving un till I get this right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely something that tes Walker talked about
Speaker 2: afterwards when we talked to him and the media scrum
Speaker 2: was just that's that's part for the course with Drake May.
Speaker 2: That wasn't something that wasn't you know, performative for the
Speaker 2: NFL scouts. That's something that they do would practice every
Speaker 2: single day. When he messes up a throw or he
Speaker 2: messes up a route, you know, Tess Walker misses up
Speaker 2: a rout or whatever, they would go back and correct
Speaker 2: it in practice as well. So that's just a practice
Speaker 2: habit that extended onto the pro day. So the Patriots
Speaker 2: had a meeting with Drake May this morning. He said
Speaker 2: that obviously he's not going to get up there at
Speaker 2: the podium and say it went terribly, but he said
Speaker 2: it went well, and he mentioned one thing I thought
Speaker 2: was interesting about his answer was getting the Patriots potentially
Speaker 2: back to the glory days of Tom Brady. And the
Speaker 2: other thing that he mentioned as well was going over
Speaker 2: some of their playbook with Alex Van Pelton, some of
Speaker 2: the things that they're installing with this new iteration, this
Speaker 2: new coaching staff, which I thought was interesting too. That's
Speaker 2: something that oftentimes, like the Bears right now, are already
Speaker 2: doing that with Caleb Williams, he probably already has the
Speaker 2: Bears playbook at this point and is already studying up.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that the Patriots are doing that quite
Speaker 2: yet with Drake May, but the point is is that
Speaker 2: they are looking at this is how we kind of
Speaker 2: think you fit, this is what we would do with
Speaker 2: you ideally, and walking him through those concepts and seeing
Speaker 2: how he reacts to it, and it already.
Speaker 1: Means they're starting to put it together too, which is
Speaker 1: just you know, you think there'd be some sort of
Speaker 1: base level being put in, but it's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: to hear that it's to the point where they can
Speaker 1: like show it to this guy and kind of go
Speaker 1: over some of the intricacies of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing too, just remembered. We spoke to North
Speaker 2: Carolina's offensive coordinator Chip Lindsay as well off to the side.
Speaker 2: Good conversation with him, and he mentioned something that I
Speaker 2: don't think is out there. I don't think I've this
Speaker 2: out there at all, and that is in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: which is for a lot of people. The better tape
Speaker 2: for Drake make is two years ago when he had
Speaker 2: Josh Downs, he had a little bit more NFL talent
Speaker 2: around him, and he was better in twenty two than
Speaker 2: he was in twenty three and twenty two. They were
Speaker 2: a backpedal dropback team in twenty two, and then in
Speaker 2: twenty three Lindsey comes in, changes some things about the
Speaker 2: offense and they became a more traditional drop back team
Speaker 2: where you see what we see on Sundays in terms
Speaker 2: of the dropbacks. So a lot of college teams just
Speaker 2: have the quarterback drop back, straight back and backpedal to
Speaker 2: a spot and then start making throws. That's not necessarily
Speaker 2: how they do it in the league anymore. But if
Speaker 2: you go back and watch old clips of some of
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in like the seventies and eighties, they still
Speaker 2: didn't like at the NFL level. So they don't do
Speaker 2: that anymore now at the NFL level. So one of
Speaker 2: the things that was a big emphasis for a lot
Speaker 2: of people who are big I guess not the best
Speaker 2: way to say it a lot of people is Drake
Speaker 2: May's footwork. And I thought that was interesting that maybe
Speaker 2: what you found out was, well, he was learning all
Speaker 2: new footwork last year at North Carolina and there was
Speaker 2: a transition there. You hear a lot about guys tweaking
Speaker 2: with their throwing motions or tweaking with their footwork at
Speaker 2: this time as they get ready for the NFL. But
Speaker 2: Drake May was actually doing that during the season last
Speaker 2: year in North Carolina under this new regime. So I
Speaker 2: do wonder how much of the footwork was just that
Speaker 2: right that he had to go through a little bit
Speaker 2: of a change at OC and they did things a
Speaker 2: little bit differently with his dropacks. That might explain some
Speaker 2: of the reasons why his footwork was a little bit
Speaker 2: sloppy last year.
Speaker 1: One other question for you, did they have any of
Speaker 1: the guys who aren't in the draft out there?
Speaker 2: They did, and they also had a couple guys that
Speaker 2: have moved on to things like the x XFL things
Speaker 2: like that. That's so back to the pro day to
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see Brent, Bryce and Nespin at all
Speaker 1: this tight end?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was there, but I don't think he participated
Speaker 2: on thinking off the top of my head, there was
Speaker 2: one XFL receiver and I should remember the name, but
Speaker 2: I don't. That made a few really good catches actually
Speaker 2: in the in the throwing session, made a fingertip catch
Speaker 2: that that was pretty impressive, and some people were asking
Speaker 2: for him afterwards, wondering, you know, who the heck is
Speaker 2: this guy? Right, So that is an interesting part of it.
Speaker 2: And I know Jaden Daniels talked about that as we
Speaker 2: kind of segue into Daniels's throw a throwing session yesterday
Speaker 2: in Baton Rouge. He talked about wanting to throw at
Speaker 2: his pro day to help improve the stock of other
Speaker 2: guys because he knows that the media and he knows
Speaker 2: the scouts are all going to show up for him,
Speaker 2: so it allows them to amplify some of the other guys.
Speaker 1: But I just, well, so the reason I brought that up, sorry,
Speaker 1: just just to cut in. The reason I brought that
Speaker 1: up is I think there's this everybody's afraid of the
Speaker 1: Mac Jones thing where he was on a team full
Speaker 1: of superstars, and you know, Drake May wasn't, and Jane Daniels, Oh,
Speaker 1: will look who he was throwing to. And Michael Pennix,
Speaker 1: look who he was throwing to, and Bonix, look who
Speaker 1: he was throwing to. And I've even said this, right, like,
Speaker 1: if that's a disqualifier for you, Drake May is the
Speaker 1: only guy you're allowed to be in on because he's
Speaker 1: He's the last of his kind. All of these guys
Speaker 1: are going to play on super teams in the NIL era.
Speaker 1: That all being said, I don't think it was exactly
Speaker 1: Drake May and a bunch of bums out there. The
Speaker 1: offensive line is pretty bad. The offensive line was not good.
Speaker 1: He had better weapons than I think people who don't
Speaker 1: follow college football realize because they look at the draft.
Speaker 1: They look at the UNC draft class and they see
Speaker 1: Teses Walker and that's it. If you go and look
Speaker 1: at their twenty twenty five class, Bryson Nesbit's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be the first tight end off the board. Nate McCallum,
Speaker 1: if he comes out as a wide receiver, he's good.
Speaker 1: Marion Haampton's really good pass catching back. So I just
Speaker 1: was curious, like if you were exposed to seeing any
Speaker 1: of those guys, and maybe kind of again, he's not
Speaker 1: throwing to Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas. He's not throwing
Speaker 1: to a Donja McMillan in Polk, But he wasn't exactly
Speaker 1: throwing to the twenty twenty Patriots either. Like there was
Speaker 1: some talent out there. It's for people who only follow
Speaker 1: the NFL, though, it's not names you know outside of
Speaker 1: Tess Walker because they were all underclassmen. UNC was just
Speaker 1: it was a very very young team last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that the other thing that people talked
Speaker 2: about with UNC too is they were really bummed out
Speaker 2: by the fact that they only had tes Walker for
Speaker 2: part of the year last year. I think that was
Speaker 2: really difficult for them. They came in with a really
Speaker 2: big plan for tes Walker to be the guy in
Speaker 2: that offense. He played in eight games, but he was
Speaker 2: some of those games where you know, he was cleared
Speaker 2: on a Thursday and then thrown into a game on
Speaker 2: a Saturday type of situation. So it was you know,
Speaker 2: that was one of the things that Lindsay said to
Speaker 2: us was that they didn't really have the tes Walker
Speaker 2: that they were hoping to have. They had him for
Speaker 2: some games, but it wasn't every single game. So I
Speaker 2: thought that in general though, they they spoke highly of
Speaker 2: Drake May because I think a lot of the time
Speaker 2: when you when you hear these things, everybody gushes about
Speaker 2: their guys this time of year, all the coaches, all
Speaker 2: the the ocs, all the people at these campuses, everybody
Speaker 2: by I asked ad Lsu praised Jayden Daniels up and down,
Speaker 2: and everybody I asked that U n C praised Drake
Speaker 2: May up and down. That that's just they're trying to
Speaker 2: help these guys out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I don't put a ton of stock
Speaker 1: in the pro day, because it's built for that specifically.
Speaker 1: It's a showcase. It's not an evaluation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's a fair point. I think
Speaker 2: that you know the other thing, and then we can
Speaker 2: transition to it to Daniels. I think the thing I
Speaker 2: want to do emphasis emphasize about Drake May though, is
Speaker 2: that I talked to people that were at Caleb Williams's
Speaker 2: pro da. JJ McCarthy's all these guys, right, all these guys.
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy still has a lot of buzz and praise
Speaker 2: for how well he threw the ball at Michigan. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't there for that one. Neither of us were.
Speaker 2: So it's not that I'm trying to take away from
Speaker 2: anything that JJ McCarthy did. I just I wasn't there
Speaker 2: for it. So I don't feel as though I am
Speaker 2: as knowledgeable about it as I was these two guys.
Speaker 2: With that being said, I think the one thing that
Speaker 2: people took away at least from the consensus top three
Speaker 2: Caleb Daniels and Drake May, was that Drake May's level
Speaker 2: of difficulty on the throws he was making was way
Speaker 2: way harder than what Caleb and Jaden Daniels showed scouts.
Speaker 2: I think Caleb Williams didn't probably feel the need to,
Speaker 2: and I think Jaden Daniels was trying to show I
Speaker 2: can be a traditional quarterback. It's not just about my legs.
Speaker 2: I don't have to move around, I don't have to run.
Speaker 2: I can just sit here and make throws accurately as well.
Speaker 2: And I think you did that for the most part.
Speaker 2: So you're talking about Daniels, you mentioned that he had
Speaker 2: some incomplete passes, and so did Drake May, so I
Speaker 2: won't knock him for those. I just that was the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I came away from it was I
Speaker 2: was really impressed with Jaden Daniels's compact release, the smooth delivery,
Speaker 2: the efficient just top half, you know, above his waist,
Speaker 2: you can tell that he's got a really fluid, natural
Speaker 2: throwing motion. It doesn't really look at all like it's
Speaker 2: uncomfortable or awkward for him to throw the ball, regardless
Speaker 2: of the arm angle, regardless of the platform and he's
Speaker 2: got a really compact quick release. So although he doesn't
Speaker 2: have the biggest of arms, like there was clearly a
Speaker 2: difference between watching Drake May throw the ball and watching
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels throw the ball these last two days. His
Speaker 2: ability to get the ball out so quickly and have
Speaker 2: that snappy release allows the ball to get on guys
Speaker 2: a little bit faster than let's say, what the mphs
Speaker 2: are going to tell you on a radar gun because
Speaker 2: of that ability to just get the ball out so quickly,
Speaker 2: So I thought that was good up from Daniels. I didn't,
Speaker 2: like I said, make as many throws on the move
Speaker 2: off platform or guys running at him like they were
Speaker 2: with Drake made today like you mentioned earlier, But in
Speaker 2: general I thought that he did what he needed to
Speaker 2: do and had a solid pro day as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I think he was fine. I think
Speaker 1: he was okay. You'd like to see him do a
Speaker 1: little better in that, but I wouldn't say he, you know,
Speaker 1: threw up all over himself or anything, and he was
Speaker 1: he was all right. The big thing for him was
Speaker 1: the weigh in, which I think he just probably hit
Speaker 1: the baseline at two ten six three two ten. There
Speaker 1: were only five hang On, I have the tweet here.
Speaker 1: I think it's only five quarterbacks last year that started
Speaker 1: at least eight games to two hund ten pounds. One
Speaker 1: of them will surprise you, because it definitely surprised me.
Speaker 1: Hang On, I gotta scroll all the way back yesterday
Speaker 1: pass my tweet about Joe Milton throwing into the winds.
Speaker 1: There it is, so, yeah, only five way two ten
Speaker 1: or less. Aiden O'Connell's six three to two ten, So
Speaker 1: that's the same size. But Aiden O'Connell looks big, bigger, right,
Speaker 1: he looks more built, So maybe the listing's off. I
Speaker 1: got these offrom Pro Football Reference. Kyler Murray five ten
Speaker 1: two oh seven, Desmond Ritter sixty three to two oh seven,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young five ten to four. And then this one
Speaker 1: surprised me. Kirk Cousins sixty three to two oh five.
Speaker 1: I did not realize Kirk Cousins was that much of
Speaker 1: a stick. But that's a guy. I know he's coming
Speaker 1: off at twenty killes, but that's the guy for most
Speaker 1: of his career was durable. Yeah, so I I feel
Speaker 1: like that gives you the solid baseline. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I anything below that, I think you start asking
Speaker 1: some serious questions. But I think at two ten, you
Speaker 1: know my rule of thumb, add ten pounds for a
Speaker 1: guy just getting on an NFL weight program. So he'll
Speaker 1: he'll come in, he'll be like six three two fifteen twenty.
Speaker 1: It'll be enough. I don't think anybody will ever call
Speaker 1: size of strength of his but he'll be big enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I didn't look at him and see
Speaker 2: a string bean. What I saw was, Well, let.
Speaker 1: Me ask you this, for a point of comparison for
Speaker 1: Patriots fans, how would you compare him to like Taekwon.
Speaker 2: Thornton definitely has more meat on the bone than Taiekwon
Speaker 2: Taikwan and maybe maybe Taekwon. We've seen some of these
Speaker 2: off season workouts bart with Taekwon. Maybe he's a totally
Speaker 2: different human being now, But based off what we've seen
Speaker 2: from Taekwon in the past, we're not gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about Jayden Daniels's wrists. We might be talking about his elbow,
Speaker 2: but right hey, that's the I know.
Speaker 1: People have had that condition. It's a fluid build up
Speaker 1: that's and it gets you drain it. That's just something
Speaker 1: that happens to people, especially people who use their elbow
Speaker 1: repeatedly with force. Uh, there's no extra bone there, it's
Speaker 1: not it's just a little fluid build up, that's all
Speaker 1: that is. It's that that should not matter. I we're
Speaker 1: gonn talk about because it looks weird as hell. A
Speaker 1: teacher in college, you had that, it was always very
Speaker 1: weird looking to see. But it's it's just there's a
Speaker 1: little fluid in there. That's all that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's no reason to be concerned about it.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody is that matters, you know, the
Speaker 2: actual teams and the scouts. But I thought looking at
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, and I haven't been in an NBA locker
Speaker 2: hime ever before, but because some of the times that
Speaker 2: I have been closer, you know, gotten to meet NBA
Speaker 2: players or whatever, that's what it reminds. His body type
Speaker 2: reminds me of is a lean, athletic build. It's not
Speaker 2: that he is string beanie. I don't think that he's
Speaker 2: really really thin or so like he's agile. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just think that he's a tall, lean guy. And granted,
Speaker 2: basketball is not a contact sport, and the way that
Speaker 2: football is so people are going to hear that and
Speaker 2: probably say, well, basketball players aren't going to have to
Speaker 2: get drilled in the pocket by three hundred and ten
Speaker 2: pound linemen, and that's totally fair. But I look at
Speaker 2: it more like he's probably going to be able to
Speaker 2: pack on more weight onto the frame because he carries
Speaker 2: his weight well. It's not like he looks very very
Speaker 2: frail or very very skinny, nor does it look like
Speaker 2: he's maxed out. He does look a little bit like
Speaker 2: a young Jason Tatum. That's probably he's not as tall, obviously,
Speaker 2: but you know those types of guys in the NBA
Speaker 2: that are coming and then three four years later, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there they're huge. Right. So that's the
Speaker 2: way I looked at Jendon Daniels' body type. I didn't
Speaker 2: look at it and say and come away from this
Speaker 2: and being like that's a problem, Like it's going to
Speaker 2: be a problem now. Brian Kelly coming out and saying
Speaker 2: that people are asking him left and right about whether
Speaker 2: or not he's going to be able to protect himself
Speaker 2: at the next level, that lets you know that it's
Speaker 2: on teams teams his mind more so, I would say,
Speaker 2: based off of his playing style.
Speaker 1: The non sliding thing is rule, and that's nothing he
Speaker 1: was going to be able to prove in a pro day.
Speaker 1: They should have had him do a period where he
Speaker 1: just like slid and ran out of bounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was nothing. I didn't come into
Speaker 2: LSU's Pro day with Jayden Daniels expecting him to put
Speaker 2: on an absolute show in the throwing session. It just
Speaker 2: that's not the type of player that he is. I
Speaker 2: came into it thinking that if he was just accurate
Speaker 2: and maybe showed some footwork from under center, that teams
Speaker 2: would be satisfied with that showing. He wasn't as accurate
Speaker 2: as I was hoping he would be, especially based off
Speaker 2: of the film where he was extremely accurate last year
Speaker 2: at LSU. But I think that he threw the ball
Speaker 2: well enough that when you add in the extra layer
Speaker 2: that's going to come in, which is his mobility, you
Speaker 2: have a real, big time explosive playmaker. And that's the
Speaker 2: thing that he kept on saying to the media afterwards
Speaker 2: in some of the TV hits I saw that he
Speaker 2: did was that he's a big play machine. That's what
Speaker 2: he is. So my biggest fear with Jayden Daniels in
Speaker 2: terms of the Patriots and just in terms of his
Speaker 2: NFL projection. It has nothing to do with what he
Speaker 2: showed yesterday, nothing to do with his size. My biggest
Speaker 2: fear continues to be I think the comparison that I
Speaker 2: can use bart to put this in Layman's terms is
Speaker 2: it's almost like he's a really good three point shooting
Speaker 2: basketball team, and he's gonna have nights where he's just
Speaker 2: gonna hit twenty five. I have three pointers and it's
Speaker 2: just a barrage of threes, and you're just not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to keep up on the scoreboard. But the
Speaker 2: question is, what is he going to do if a
Speaker 2: team devises a really good game plan against his legs
Speaker 2: or he doesn't have those ball winners on the outside
Speaker 2: like Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior to win down the
Speaker 2: field on the vertical routes. Where are his layups in
Speaker 2: like his mid range game right now?
Speaker 1: Because so so you admit that a basketball team that
Speaker 1: shoots a lot of threes that doesn't have a play
Speaker 1: and b might have some problems down the road.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll put that conversation aside for later, But
Speaker 1: we're saying regards to Daniels.
Speaker 2: Does that analogy make sense? That's my fear it does.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear it coming from you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna need a better plan. B. He's gonna need
Speaker 1: a better left hook. Can he become more reliable in
Speaker 1: the short game and take what's given to him when
Speaker 1: defenses take away things over the top and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, spy him more than russiam And is he
Speaker 1: going to be able to pick a team apart in
Speaker 1: the short part of the field when that's the only
Speaker 1: option they give him, which is not He's not the
Speaker 1: first quarterback to have that problem. We talked a lot
Speaker 1: about that with Josh Aher, I talk a lot about
Speaker 1: that with Josh Allen. Uh, that doesn't mean it's not
Speaker 1: a problem, but like that is, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys now coming out just the way the college
Speaker 1: game is played. That's that's something that that some guys
Speaker 1: have to work on.
Speaker 2: It's very similar to Josh Allen, and that's probably the
Speaker 2: best football comparison is a team like with Bills, Which.
Speaker 1: Is funny because the guy that's being comed to Josh
Speaker 1: Allen is Drake man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he doesn't. Jadan Daniels doesn't play like Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: We're not saying that, We're just saying that the type
Speaker 2: of offense Buffalo is where it's very it's very streaky,
Speaker 2: and it's very boom or bust. That's the fear that
Speaker 2: I have with Jayden Daniels. And it's similar to I
Speaker 2: think moments that Justin Fields has had in the league
Speaker 2: as well, where he has these moments in these games
Speaker 2: like the one on Monday Night in New England in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty too, where you're like, holy crap, this guy
Speaker 2: is just incredibly talented. You know, you can run around,
Speaker 2: he can throw, he's got a huge arm, like all,
Speaker 2: he's got every tool in the toolbox that you could
Speaker 2: possibly need. But is it going to be able to
Speaker 2: be consistent and efficient and productive over seventeen games versus
Speaker 2: just In Spurts And I think the one thing that
Speaker 2: you definitely also saw at LSU was how good these
Speaker 2: two receivers are that he was throwing to. So the
Speaker 2: Patriots met with Malik Neighbors. That was reported I think
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Yeah, and I would
Speaker 2: say that that's probably more about doing due diligence for
Speaker 2: a trade down scenarios. You know, there's a chance that
Speaker 2: they trade out of the pick, and maybe Molik Neighbors
Speaker 2: is somebody that they're considering. If they traded to six
Speaker 2: or eleven or something like that, probably not going to
Speaker 2: be there at eleven.
Speaker 1: I don't think eleven for Neighbors. No, that would be six,
Speaker 1: I would think.
Speaker 2: Right, So.
Speaker 1: I also mean I also kind of wonder if they
Speaker 1: met with Neighbors and just asked him about Jane Daniels
Speaker 1: for an hour.
Speaker 2: It's possible, It's definitely possible. I came away from it
Speaker 2: thinking that Neighbors was the best player on the field
Speaker 2: in a pro day, So the take that for what
Speaker 2: it's worth, right. But I was at Day Flowers's pro
Speaker 2: day last year. This was different. This was absolutely different.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just the athletic testing. It was the
Speaker 2: routes too. I think the one thing that really stands
Speaker 2: out with him is it's like it looks like he's
Speaker 2: running downhill because of how much momentum and just how
Speaker 2: much build up speed he has. I always when I
Speaker 2: watched him on film, I loved the sudden acceleration that
Speaker 2: he has, especially after the catch, but watching him run
Speaker 2: routes the other day, the thing that really stood out
Speaker 2: to me was how his build up speed and how
Speaker 2: he gained speed with the football in the air to
Speaker 2: track it down as well. And that's something that I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the pacing, the changing of gears, that type
Speaker 2: of stuff, that's how you separate at the next level.
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. This wasn't his showcase. He's a six
Speaker 2: foot four, four to three guy that's going to be
Speaker 2: a really, really good receiver at the next level. But
Speaker 2: Malik Nighbors was probably the best thing I saw on
Speaker 2: this entire trip. I mean, he was that good yesterday
Speaker 2: at the Pro day, he was fantastic. I'm not sitting
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that means for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: I think the one question I would ask you, and
Speaker 2: you touched on this a little bit earlier, how much
Speaker 2: of the production of Jaden Daniels Are you gonna sit
Speaker 2: there and are we talking about it like we talked
Speaker 2: about Mac Jones at Alabama three years where was yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we there was things I like about him,
Speaker 2: but yeah, DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddley at YadA YadA, is
Speaker 2: Daniels at all falling into that trap for you as well?
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd not like mac Jones because he didn't.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones wasn't mac Jones didn't rush for eleven hundred
Speaker 1: yards that I don't care who your receivers are, you
Speaker 1: ran for eleven hundred yards. I do think there's an
Speaker 1: element of hey, he was throwing to these really great receivers,
Speaker 1: But again you look at like who wasn't once again,
Speaker 1: outside of Drake May, who wasn't. And I think you
Speaker 1: need to look at individually what the quarterback did independent
Speaker 1: of the guys he was throwing the ball to. Did
Speaker 1: Jamee Daniels get help? Yeah, He's probably doesn't win the
Speaker 1: Heisman without those two guys. Do I still believe he's
Speaker 1: a tremendously talented quarterback, Yes, I do. The numbers are
Speaker 1: certainly inflated a little bit. I don't think he's quite
Speaker 1: as good as maybe the LSU numbers suggest. But say
Speaker 1: the same thing about Michael Pennox, I can say the
Speaker 1: same thing about Kayleb Williams. I certainly said it about
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks. So I still think, you know, he's good,
Speaker 1: good touch on the deep ball right, that's before the
Speaker 1: ball gets the receiver. I think he's doing a good
Speaker 1: job of putting the ball where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job of maneuvering in
Speaker 1: the pocket. Again, that's wide receivers. Aside already talked about
Speaker 1: the rushing ability, there's enough there that like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: give him the shot to see what he can do.
Speaker 1: And also, let's not forget again, the plan is not
Speaker 1: to draft him and put no receivers around him. The
Speaker 1: plan is to draft him and maybe year one he
Speaker 1: doesn't have great receivers. But get him his step On Diggs,
Speaker 1: get him his Tyreek Hill, get him his Justin Well.
Speaker 1: Cousins has been the lead for years. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, get him his Aj Brown. What all
Speaker 1: these teams did for their young quarterbacks. If you can
Speaker 1: get him a guy that can allow him to make
Speaker 1: some of those throws and give him some more room
Speaker 1: for error, he's certainly the kind of guy that can
Speaker 1: capitalize on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it
Speaker 2: with him, is that I don't think that he's a
Speaker 2: special thrower, but I will say he's a much better
Speaker 2: thrower than Lamar was coming out of college.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think it's close.
Speaker 2: In terms of mechanics, footwork, accuracy, all those types of things.
Speaker 2: Lamar when he came out of college was still pretty
Speaker 2: raw as a passer. You know, he had to rework
Speaker 2: release and is throwing mechanics, He had to work on
Speaker 2: his footwork. There was a lot of elements.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that vented himself as a passer. And that's not
Speaker 1: a knock on Lamar, it's a credit to him. I
Speaker 1: mean he put the work in all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when two MVPs like that, not everybody can
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah. And Jayden Daniels is really Lamar Jackson walked.
Speaker 2: So though Jayden Daniels could run, right, because I think.
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson ran so Jade and Daniels could also run.
Speaker 1: I don't think Mark Jackson walked much.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think ten
Speaker 2: years ago. I think ten years ago, Jayden Daniels are
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe a little bit longer than that,
Speaker 2: but ten fifteen years ago, let's call it that. Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 2: I don't think that teams would have known what to
Speaker 2: do with Jayden Daniels. I think if you look back
Speaker 2: at Atlanta Michael Vick before you know, all the s
Speaker 2: hit the fan, right, I don't think that people really
Speaker 2: knew what to do with that yet. I think that
Speaker 2: he was winning those games and he was putting up
Speaker 2: those numbers on pure talent, forget about it, right, not
Speaker 2: because they had all these schemes, you know, the zone
Speaker 2: reads and the spread concepts and the empty concepts and
Speaker 2: all these things that allow these guys to just go
Speaker 2: out there and make plays. Now, they didn't. They weren't
Speaker 2: doing that with Michael Vick. They were putting Michael Vick
Speaker 2: in a pro style offense, and he was just running
Speaker 2: around and making things happen. I think now, you know,
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is coming into this league now where he
Speaker 2: is a much better pure thrower than Lamar Jackson was
Speaker 2: than Michael Vick was, because teams have learned how to
Speaker 2: use the skill set a little bit better, especially in college.
Speaker 2: We're not maybe all the way there in the pros yet,
Speaker 2: but I'd say especially in college, we are. And I
Speaker 2: think that's really encouraging if you're the team that ends
Speaker 2: up drafting him, is that he's coming into this with
Speaker 2: a much higher floor because of that, and that's why
Speaker 2: I think he's in the conversation for number two, number
Speaker 2: three overall, whereas Lamar Jackson didn't go until the end
Speaker 2: of the first round. So that's a big positive I
Speaker 2: think for Daniels, because I know it kind of probably
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm all in on May and kind of
Speaker 2: crapping on Daniels a little bit, and that's not my intention.
Speaker 2: I just I think with Daniels, you still go back
Speaker 2: to the consistency from the pocket and the ability to
Speaker 2: just win as a passer. But the thing that I
Speaker 2: am encouraged by is that he's much further along as
Speaker 2: a passer than other archetypes in his vein in the past.
Speaker 1: And the age the h Drake May's twenty one, Jane
Speaker 1: Daniels is twenty four. Like that's part. If Jane Daniels
Speaker 1: was twenty one, he'd be the second quarterback off the board.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would even be a question. But
Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old, he's further into his development
Speaker 1: physic you know, he's just fur the long he's when
Speaker 1: you signed to a second contract, he's going to be
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Drake May will be twenty six. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a difference for NFL teams that are trying
Speaker 1: to make a long term investment. It is. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's right, but that's how it's viewed. So I
Speaker 1: think that that's another part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. What do you think about
Speaker 2: just before we wrap here, the LCU receivers, Neighbors Thomas,
Speaker 2: where do we think they go? I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people came out of that pro day yesterday when
Speaker 2: I was talking about those two guys and talking about neighbors,
Speaker 2: who I fully admit, hand up, I was. I was
Speaker 2: swooning over Neighbors yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was, so do you do you have
Speaker 1: him over Harrison?
Speaker 2: Then no, I don't, But I understand if that's the
Speaker 2: skill set that you want it it's just like a
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels Drake May argument to me, where it's all
Speaker 2: about the type of guy that you want. Right. If
Speaker 2: you want a game breaking speed type of player that
Speaker 2: can take any level of throw for a second, third
Speaker 2: level throw and turn it into an eighty yard touchdown,
Speaker 2: then that's Moliku Neighbors. In a lot of ways, I've
Speaker 2: been trying to come up with the best comp for
Speaker 2: neighbors and it's it's tough. I've used Jalen Waddle in
Speaker 2: the past. I think there's some element of that. I
Speaker 2: think that there's some elements. He's a little bit bigger,
Speaker 2: but he's not that much bigger. He's like six feet
Speaker 2: one ninety I think is what he weighed in yesterday.
Speaker 2: So he did come in a little bit. I thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's possible. But so he's not a power player like
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, to me, is a power player for his site.
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, he's not. Chase.
Speaker 2: Chase is much stronger and much stronger at the catch point?
Speaker 2: Is he a little is he a little Odell? Like?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I don't think he has the flashes at
Speaker 2: the catch. He doesn't have the one handed catches and
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Like how often does he have to do that? How
Speaker 1: many opportunities did he have to do that?
Speaker 2: I see a little Odell.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's just LSU another l I.
Speaker 1: Think Odell minus the Well, it's tough to say Odell
Speaker 1: minus the stuff at the catch point because that's like
Speaker 1: saying somebody's Mike Vic minus the speed. Like that's right,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing, but very like, very explosive, very
Speaker 1: fluid mover. I've seen people compare him to Digs. You
Speaker 1: know what my comp is for Digs, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's as well around as digs. Oh done, says
Speaker 1: my digs comp. I'm standing by that. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite comps I've come up with. Yeah, it's tough
Speaker 1: because it's just like how he's not He's not a
Speaker 1: gag He's definitely not a gadget player, but he's also
Speaker 1: not what I hall a technically sound receiver. He's just
Speaker 1: physically dominant.
Speaker 2: Is al is it?
Speaker 1: Is it like more vertical deep depot.
Speaker 2: But he's said but deepas two hundred and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's the problem. He's bigger, he plays bigger
Speaker 1: than one ninety nine. Though I feel like maybe those
Speaker 1: that's the problem.
Speaker 2: That's the problem that I've had with comps with him
Speaker 2: is that he does his body type in terms of
Speaker 2: height and how he moves on the field. In terms
Speaker 2: of his speed, there is a little bit of Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase there, but Jamar Chase is a is a really
Speaker 2: strong player, Yeah, really strong and in the route at
Speaker 2: the catch point all those types of things. You know,
Speaker 2: he can really he does not get bumped off routes.
Speaker 2: He can play on the outside neighbors. I think at
Speaker 2: the next level is a slot Like is he slot
Speaker 2: type of player?
Speaker 1: Where he right, I'm just being weird. Now, is he
Speaker 1: like a Max dow Kendrick.
Speaker 3: Bourne's that's not terrible either, Like he's that's not terrible either,
Speaker 3: because he's one of those guys that I think, ideally,
Speaker 3: and this is why I think I started with Waddle
Speaker 3: is because ideally you want to keep him away from
Speaker 3: contact as much as possible.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting neighbors at the X and expecting him
Speaker 2: to have large exposures to press man and win consistently.
Speaker 2: In that respect, he'll run by some people because he's
Speaker 2: just that fast. But that's not the best way to
Speaker 2: use him. The best way to use him is in
Speaker 2: the slot, off the line of scrimmage, move them all around,
Speaker 2: bring him in motion, like all those types of things
Speaker 2: that that's the way I would use him. So in
Speaker 2: that respect, I kind of see a little bit of Odell,
Speaker 2: Like Odell was never appear X to me either. He
Speaker 2: was always one of those guys too that was they
Speaker 2: always we're moving him around and things. But the other
Speaker 2: thing is, you know, with Odell, that really got me
Speaker 2: thinking this was Odell could take that slant eighty yards
Speaker 2: to the house in his prime. Ll Odell had that
Speaker 2: after the catchability that Neighbors has, which I think is
Speaker 2: one of his best traits. I don't know how the
Speaker 2: Patriots get their hands on either of these guys. If
Speaker 2: Daniels is the pick, it would obviously be amazing to
Speaker 2: pair him with either either BTJ or Bleak Neighbors. Neighbors
Speaker 2: gonna be long off the board. I think Neighbors' floor
Speaker 2: is probably I mean, I look at you know, a
Speaker 2: team like the Chargers, a team like the Giants. If
Speaker 2: they don't go quarterback like that, he could go at
Speaker 2: six to the Giants easily, easily. So there's no way
Speaker 2: they could do that. BTJ. Maybe he falls to like
Speaker 2: the early twenties, just because of how deep this class
Speaker 2: is at wide receiver, all the quarterbacks that are going
Speaker 2: to go at the top of the draft. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: possible to trade up from thirty four to the early twenties.
Speaker 2: But I just don't see realistically how they get both
Speaker 2: of those two guys. They get they pairent right, they
Speaker 2: draft Jaden Daniels and then pair him with one of
Speaker 2: his receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably Thomas all right.
Speaker 2: A couple of last things here that that was the
Speaker 2: pro day portion. I do want to talk a little
Speaker 2: bit when you go to these things, a little bit
Speaker 2: like training camp bart where you you start to look
Speaker 2: around and and try to observe things. What is your
Speaker 2: what are the guys do? What is Gerard and Mayo?
Speaker 2: Who's he talking to? Who's Elliott Wolf talking to? You know,
Speaker 2: those types of things. The one guy that I think
Speaker 2: stood out to me from both days that we need
Speaker 2: to figure out some more information on we're we're both
Speaker 2: we tried to dabble in journalism every once in a
Speaker 2: while and not just be be nerds about everything. Right.
Speaker 2: So Alonso Heismith and his role in all of this,
Speaker 2: I think is going to be really fascinating moving forward.
Speaker 2: Alonzo Heismith was the most popular guy at the two
Speaker 2: pro days. Over the last two days, not a single
Speaker 2: other person talk to more people inside LSU's practice facility
Speaker 2: or North Carolina's practice facility than a lots of Heismith.
Speaker 2: He works the room and on top of that, he
Speaker 2: just came from the college game. He has a lot
Speaker 2: of understanding of these guys. It wasn't just oh, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go talk to this coach, I'm gonna go talk
Speaker 2: to that GM. I'm gonna go talk to this guy.
Speaker 2: He was talking to the players. These student athletes know
Speaker 2: him from the recruiting trip.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, right, I think or maybe some of their
Speaker 1: parents remember him playing and there. I mean, he's third
Speaker 1: overall pick. He was a nobody in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he he obviously has a relationship with a lot
Speaker 2: of these people on the college circuit. And there was
Speaker 2: that report that was out there that he was also
Speaker 2: going to help Elliott Wolf tweak the grading system and
Speaker 2: things like that as well. I think we're looking at
Speaker 2: a situation where Alonzo Highsmith is going to have a really,
Speaker 2: really big role in college scouting for the Patriots moving
Speaker 2: forward if this regime sticks. I have one other thought
Speaker 2: on that, but I just want to get your reaction
Speaker 2: to Alonzo Heighsmith.
Speaker 1: I like it, I said when they hired him. I
Speaker 1: like his background. I think he's worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of good teams. I like that he's a former player.
Speaker 1: I like that he has that insight. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good pairing for guys like Elliot Wolf and Matt
Speaker 1: Grow who have really just spent their entire career in
Speaker 1: the scouting room. High Smith has been at so many
Speaker 1: different level He's worked in college, he's worked in the pros,
Speaker 1: he played all that, so I would hope he's involved.
Speaker 1: I think when Ian Rapaport gave that report a month
Speaker 1: ago about that Elliot Wolf was going to final say,
Speaker 1: I think I remember him saying high Smith was essentially
Speaker 1: the number three in the front office. Is Wolf one,
Speaker 1: Grow to high Smith three. So you'd think that guy'd
Speaker 1: be pretty influential, But given where he comes from, you
Speaker 1: is just at Miami, it makes sense the most that
Speaker 1: influence would be on the amateur scouting side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so you could just tell that that guy's
Speaker 2: got a personality. Just everybody seemed to really enjoy having
Speaker 2: talks with him. He was talking to Jaden Daniels for
Speaker 2: a little bit. It seemed like they knew each other
Speaker 2: from somewhere along the line, or maybe it's just one
Speaker 2: of those things. And I think there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of this with Girard Mayo too, where you were a
Speaker 2: formal player. So these guys just have respect for you
Speaker 2: for the fact that you were in the league. And
Speaker 2: Alonzo Heisman a third overall pick, Gerd Mayo high first
Speaker 2: round pick himself. So a lot of these guys I
Speaker 2: think are also a little bit starstruck to meet these people.
Speaker 2: It was the same way with Bill for different reasons, obviously,
Speaker 2: but it's it's I think that's the angle that they're
Speaker 2: coming at it now, is Oh snap, you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's Alonzo Heisman. You know he was great to all
Speaker 2: time great college player, third overall pick, that's Geron Mayo,
Speaker 2: top ten pick, super Bowl champion. I think stuff like
Speaker 2: that going on as well, that it's encouraging from a
Speaker 2: scotting standpoint for the Patriots or just from a you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that this new regime and all that type
Speaker 2: of stuff, we're taking a lot of heat. Bart I'm
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, tell people what's going on when
Speaker 2: you see these guys in the wild. The other thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention from this point of view, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Macro's name. I just I don't know what Macro's
Speaker 2: and this is pure speculation. I have no inside information.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Macro's role and this is after
Speaker 2: the draft. I just it seemed to me like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is Elliott wolf Hi Smith. I think Patrick Stewart,
Speaker 2: who I don't think a lot of people know very well.
Speaker 2: It's a senior personal executive with the Patriots is pretty involved.
Speaker 2: I would just be interested to see when we get
Speaker 2: from a month from now and the draft is over
Speaker 2: and the dust is settled, what is Macro's future with
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's maybe he's just on to the next draft,
Speaker 1: and maybe they kept him because he had done all
Speaker 1: the work during the season under Belichick, he was ahead
Speaker 1: of the personnel department and that's why he's still here.
Speaker 1: He could absolutely be gone after the draft, but he
Speaker 1: just might be their lead draft guy now and he's
Speaker 1: going to do all the work, you know, up through
Speaker 1: the college football playoff and then kind of handed over
Speaker 1: to the guys upstairs once the offseason really kicks in
Speaker 1: a gear. That's what a director of college scouting would do.
Speaker 1: That was his old job before he got promoted, and
Speaker 1: we kind of think him and Elliott will flip flipped roles.
Speaker 1: So maybe he just goes back to that. Maybe he
Speaker 1: just takes the demotion, it's possible.
Speaker 2: I don't know where else he would go. There's no
Speaker 2: there's no real Belichick people for him to go latch
Speaker 2: on with. Maybe Dable in New York is the only
Speaker 2: other option, but that's a buffalo run operation with Joe Shoon.
Speaker 1: I don't know where else those are our wide receivers
Speaker 1: coach somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm looking, hang on, I'm looking.
Speaker 2: He was in d for a while, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, his brother's actually with the Giants.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the connection. You know, maybe he goes
Speaker 2: in and gets a highlight ranking role under shown and
Speaker 2: Dable with the Giants. What did you say?
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily need to be high ranking.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. But he's not going to go back
Speaker 2: and be an area scout. You know, he's going to
Speaker 2: be right, But I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting hired as an assistant GM.
Speaker 2: No. My guess is that he would probably go back
Speaker 2: to a scouting role of director of college scouting, something
Speaker 2: along those lines, back to back to college and back
Speaker 2: to where he started, which I think is good for
Speaker 2: him in a lot of ways. Honestly, I don't think
Speaker 2: that Macro, and I've enjoyed getting to talk to Macro
Speaker 2: a couple of times that that we've been able to
Speaker 2: and I think he's a nice guy and everything. But
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that that stood out to
Speaker 2: me is that he is maybe not meant to be
Speaker 2: a public facing figure in an organization. Certainly your station
Speaker 2: has gotten plenty of run out of that. If you
Speaker 2: want to draft fast guys, draft fast guys stuff. I
Speaker 2: just wonder if maybe Elliott wolf was was born to
Speaker 2: handle that type of stuff a little bit better. Just
Speaker 2: just my thoughts on it. I think Macro is at
Speaker 2: his best when he is on the scouting trail, when
Speaker 2: he's in the trenches, and when he's doing that type
Speaker 2: of stuff like he was at the Senior Bowl earlier
Speaker 2: this year, like he was to the last couple of
Speaker 2: days at these Pro days. I think that that's where
Speaker 2: Macro's sweet spot is and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: It's like a great assistant coach like Dante Scarnekki. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying he's going to Bete Scarneki, but you understand,
Speaker 2: like not everybody's meant to be a head coach. Some
Speaker 2: people are just meant to be coordinators. Some people are
Speaker 2: just meant to be really good assistants, really good position coaches.
Speaker 2: Maybe Macro is just a really good offensive coordinator in
Speaker 2: the scouting world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, is there a chance you just drop
Speaker 1: back and does that here?
Speaker 2: Definitely possible. I do think it's got to be And
Speaker 2: again this is just coming from me, it's got to
Speaker 2: be awkward. Well, it would be awkward for anybody just
Speaker 2: in a in a normal type of career. If you
Speaker 2: get jumped by by your number two, that's a that's
Speaker 2: an awkward situation.
Speaker 1: I think any if you acknowledge you or maybe accelerated early.
Speaker 2: That's possible. That's possible. Any final thoughts on these protas,
Speaker 2: I know you're you're maybe a little bit more out
Speaker 2: on the protos. I think because I wish, you know,
Speaker 2: you could have been here with me. I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe you would have felt alive.
Speaker 1: I've never been a big PROTA guy. Yeah, if I
Speaker 1: was there, I'd probably played up a little more. But
Speaker 1: you know what, to your point, like, I think you
Speaker 1: got to be there to really experience it. And again,
Speaker 1: shorts in a T shirt against air Johnny Manziel had
Speaker 1: the right idea, at least he threw in pads. I'll
Speaker 1: give Drake Mason credit he had his coach simulating a
Speaker 1: rush on a couple of throws. I'll give Joe Milton
Speaker 1: credit he through outside. I really don't put a ton
Speaker 1: of talking prode is one way or the other. I
Speaker 1: think they're probably the most used, not that they're entirely useless,
Speaker 1: but I think if you know the showcase games, the combine,
Speaker 1: Pro Days, pre draft visits, those are the big landmark
Speaker 1: periods of the pre draft process. I think Pro Day's
Speaker 1: ranks well towards the bottom in terms of what you
Speaker 1: get out of them.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I agree with you, and I think that
Speaker 2: the next big steps in this process the thirty visits,
Speaker 2: the private workouts. The Patriots I'm sure will have those
Speaker 2: with all the quarterbacks, whether they're here, should say in
Speaker 2: Foxborough or are there?
Speaker 1: Male said they plan on having May Daniels and McCarthy visit.
Speaker 1: Although you can't do it on you can't do on
Speaker 1: field work at the top thirty, right, it's only medical
Speaker 1: workout and meetings.
Speaker 2: Right. I believe that's true. I always get this one confused.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. They definitely will have
Speaker 2: private throwing sessions with these guys. Whether those are on
Speaker 2: campus or in Foxborough, I'm not really sure about those details.
Speaker 2: But that's that's really where it's more important, I would say,
Speaker 2: than these pro days. And that's why they're behind closed doors,
Speaker 2: because what will happen is is that a VP will
Speaker 2: get with these guys. He'll put together a script of
Speaker 2: their plays, right, and their types of throws and their
Speaker 2: types of reads, and then go ahead and ask those
Speaker 2: guys to run through. All right, we're running this concept.
Speaker 2: I just taught you this concept in the classroom. Now
Speaker 2: we're bringing it out on the field. Show me that
Speaker 2: you remember the progression, Show me that you remember where
Speaker 2: you're going with them, all right? That those things I
Speaker 2: think are what the teams are emphasizing as the most
Speaker 2: important thing these pro days. I agree with you, they're
Speaker 2: a little bit of a spectacle. It was really fun
Speaker 2: to go to them and see it. I thought it
Speaker 2: was well wor date from our standpoint, from a content standpoint,
Speaker 2: but that's really what it is. It's a way to
Speaker 2: get these programs some limelight, which I think is funny
Speaker 2: because does LSU need any more of a spotlight as
Speaker 2: like a as a blue blood football program.
Speaker 1: But for recruits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for whatever reason, it's it works for these schools
Speaker 2: to have these recruits. And today at UNC. I didn't
Speaker 2: notice it as much at LSU, but I'm sure it
Speaker 2: happened at LSU today yesterday as well today at U
Speaker 2: and C there was a ton of alumni. Michael Carter
Speaker 2: was there.
Speaker 1: Like that at LSU yesterday too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was rumors everywhere. Yeah. Sam Howell, who's really
Speaker 2: good friends with Drake may I believe I was in
Speaker 2: the building as well here at U n C uh
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But the bottom line, the takeaway I
Speaker 2: can wrap it up on this. I think all three
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks are in play for them, Barth. I
Speaker 2: think JJ McCarthy is in play for them as well.
Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be a really a
Speaker 2: secret to the finish, as it always is, but the
Speaker 2: commanders control it. But I would say that the biggest
Speaker 2: takeaway I have is that Drake may, J and Daniels
Speaker 2: are not alone. I know that that both of us
Speaker 2: might not agree with that, but JJ McCarthy is somebody
Speaker 2: that is in the conversation here as well.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like he is. I'll say he is,
Speaker 1: because it's our job to say what we think is
Speaker 1: going to happen, not what we want to happen. But
Speaker 1: I still don't fully understand why he is.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right. That does it for this episode.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Alex say, I'm like a little bit
Speaker 2: out of practice with doing this like this.
Speaker 1: It definitely feels weird.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was stumbling through that whole thing.
Speaker 2: So hopefully we got all the information across that we
Speaker 2: wanted to and next week we'll be back in studio
Speaker 2: and we'll do it the new way, the better way,
Speaker 2: I should say, because man, we need we need the listeners,
Speaker 2: we need the calls, we need the emails. It was
Speaker 2: just us just talking against the wall. I didn't like
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Speaker 2: Barth Big. A lot of talk on campus today about
Speaker 2: the tar Heels basketball team, Big big sweet sixteen game
Speaker 2: tonight for them. That was the conversation going around, so DraftKings.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be there for the game? Are
Speaker 1: you flying out tonight or tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Tomorrow? So I guess technically I will be.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Dude, you gotta go to like you gotta go
Speaker 1: out somewhere and experience it. That's it. That's a big
Speaker 1: time college sports environment. Oh, I just got so jeous.
Speaker 1: Not that I wasn't plate. I just got so jealous.
Speaker 1: You plete promise me for me, you'll go somewhere and actually,
Speaker 1: like UNC in a sweet sixteen game. You're on campus,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be electric. Get out there and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I will, I will. I'll try to get out and
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I have been up since four point thirty
Speaker 2: this morning to get here on time, so I don't
Speaker 2: know how much longer I'm going to last. And that
Speaker 2: might be part of the reason why I couldn't think
Speaker 2: straight for this entire podcast.
Speaker 1: You got four hours till the game. Take a nap, all.
Speaker 2: Right, I'll take a nap, all right. Well, I'll see you.
Speaker 2: I'll see you back in Foxborough next week.
Speaker 1: Alex and I.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you guys, and we'll get back in
Speaker 2: the studio next Thursday, same time as usual. But until then.
Speaker 2: Signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for
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