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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bar and Lazarre Glow.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bark gas

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Speaker 2: A match, no risk.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 2: Guys that break out early as freshman and sophomores in

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Speaker 2: college tend to be really good NFL player.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me the better players in college end up

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Speaker 1: being the better players than the promst It's got the

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Speaker 1: nerds have figured out the guys that it took them

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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four to figure this out. Congratulation, yes

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Speaker 1: the better.

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Speaker 2: Just stop you, all right, everybody. It's Evan Lazar, Alex Bard,

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two. Different vibe for Patriots Catch twenty

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Speaker 2: two today Bark, no studio, no live show. We're doing

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Speaker 2: this old school. It feels like almost a throwback, doesn't it,

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Speaker 2: that we're just recording a podcast but no live You know,

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Speaker 2: we had our glow up that we got to be

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Speaker 2: So now it's just.

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Speaker 1: Let's not act like it's never going to be like

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Speaker 1: that again. It's just one week, I know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying like this, this show right now

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Speaker 2: it's a little different. But it's for a good reason.

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Speaker 2: And that's because I am in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: where I just got out of Drake May's Pro Day.

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Speaker 2: I was at LSU and Baton Rouge yesterday. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about those two pro days. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about pro days in general a little bit because

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Speaker 2: I think there's a little there's some there's some pushback

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Speaker 2: about how much these actually matter and all those types

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Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've done that. But where

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Speaker 2: should we start. I think the first place that I

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Speaker 2: want to start with before we get into the two

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Speaker 2: pro days, and I'll talk about them in order. We'll

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Speaker 2: start with Drake Masons, I'm just fresh off of scene

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Speaker 2: that and then discuss Jaden Daniels. But Pro Days in general,

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing that this has taught me

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Speaker 2: emphasize with Pro Days is the tape is king. Nothing

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Speaker 2: part of the evaluation in terms of the football stuff. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: NFL evaluators. Now that being said, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: But I don't. That's not like a bad pro day.

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Speaker 1: I knew that. The Pro day shouldn't convince you of that.

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Speaker 1: You get a closer look at the footwork, thing like that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally fair. And I think the one thing

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Speaker 2: year to go see z Flowers, and that wasn't looking

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any real takeaways from watching

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Speaker 2: who's an area a national scout, I should say, for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, So a little swap there, but the same

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Speaker 1: In addition to that, it's not like there's a level

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Speaker 1: not like it was these people who haven't seen somebody

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Speaker 1: I think talking about May as and we'll get Jane

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Speaker 1: Daniels Prodey as well. But you know, May had as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I say that as not to

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Speaker 2: It's just something that I were.

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Speaker 1: There, You were there. That's better. It just is it.

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Speaker 1: Just seeing it in person is better. That's just a

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Speaker 2: So just to tell the whole story, and we'll start

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Speaker 2: with Drake May and then we'll get into Jadeen Daniels yesterday,

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Speaker 2: to tell the whole story about Drake May. You're talking

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Speaker 2: to some people afterwards. There was definitely a general consensus

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Speaker 2: he had those two misses airmailed, a couple throws into

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Speaker 2: yet with Drake May, but the point is is that

435
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Speaker 2: they are looking at this is how we kind of

436
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Speaker 2: think you fit, this is what we would do with

437
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: you ideally, and walking him through those concepts and seeing

438
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Speaker 2: how he reacts to it, and it already.

439
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Speaker 1: Means they're starting to put it together too, which is

440
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Speaker 1: just you know, you think there'd be some sort of

441
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Speaker 1: base level being put in, but it's kind of interesting

442
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: to hear that it's to the point where they can

443
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Speaker 1: like show it to this guy and kind of go

444
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Speaker 1: over some of the intricacies of it.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing too, just remembered. We spoke to North

446
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Speaker 2: Carolina's offensive coordinator Chip Lindsay as well off to the side.

447
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: Good conversation with him, and he mentioned something that I

448
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: don't think is out there. I don't think I've this

449
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: out there at all, and that is in twenty twenty two,

450
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: which is for a lot of people. The better tape

451
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: for Drake make is two years ago when he had

452
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Speaker 2: Josh Downs, he had a little bit more NFL talent

453
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Speaker 2: around him, and he was better in twenty two than

454
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: he was in twenty three and twenty two. They were

455
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Speaker 2: a backpedal dropback team in twenty two, and then in

456
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 2: twenty three Lindsey comes in, changes some things about the

457
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: offense and they became a more traditional drop back team

458
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: where you see what we see on Sundays in terms

459
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: of the dropbacks. So a lot of college teams just

460
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: have the quarterback drop back, straight back and backpedal to

461
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: a spot and then start making throws. That's not necessarily

462
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: how they do it in the league anymore. But if

463
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Speaker 2: you go back and watch old clips of some of

464
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in like the seventies and eighties, they still

465
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Speaker 2: didn't like at the NFL level. So they don't do

466
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Speaker 2: that anymore now at the NFL level. So one of

467
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Speaker 2: the things that was a big emphasis for a lot

468
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Speaker 2: of people who are big I guess not the best

469
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Speaker 2: way to say it a lot of people is Drake

470
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Speaker 2: May's footwork. And I thought that was interesting that maybe

471
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Speaker 2: what you found out was, well, he was learning all

472
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Speaker 2: new footwork last year at North Carolina and there was

473
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Speaker 2: a transition there. You hear a lot about guys tweaking

474
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Speaker 2: with their throwing motions or tweaking with their footwork at

475
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: this time as they get ready for the NFL. But

476
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: Drake May was actually doing that during the season last

477
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: year in North Carolina under this new regime. So I

478
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: do wonder how much of the footwork was just that

479
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: right that he had to go through a little bit

480
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: of a change at OC and they did things a

481
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Speaker 2: little bit differently with his dropacks. That might explain some

482
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why his footwork was a little bit

483
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Speaker 2: sloppy last year.

484
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Speaker 1: One other question for you, did they have any of

485
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Speaker 1: the guys who aren't in the draft out there?

486
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Speaker 2: They did, and they also had a couple guys that

487
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: have moved on to things like the x XFL things

488
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: like that. That's so back to the pro day to

489
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: work out.

490
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Did you guys see Brent, Bryce and Nespin at all

491
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Speaker 1: this tight end?

492
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was there, but I don't think he participated

493
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Speaker 2: on thinking off the top of my head, there was

494
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: one XFL receiver and I should remember the name, but

495
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't. That made a few really good catches actually

496
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Speaker 2: in the in the throwing session, made a fingertip catch

497
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: that that was pretty impressive, and some people were asking

498
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Speaker 2: for him afterwards, wondering, you know, who the heck is

499
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: this guy? Right, So that is an interesting part of it.

500
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Speaker 2: And I know Jaden Daniels talked about that as we

501
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Speaker 2: kind of segue into Daniels's throw a throwing session yesterday

502
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Speaker 2: in Baton Rouge. He talked about wanting to throw at

503
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Speaker 2: his pro day to help improve the stock of other

504
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: guys because he knows that the media and he knows

505
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: the scouts are all going to show up for him,

506
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Speaker 2: so it allows them to amplify some of the other guys.

507
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Speaker 1: But I just, well, so the reason I brought that up, sorry,

508
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: just just to cut in. The reason I brought that

509
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: up is I think there's this everybody's afraid of the

510
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: Mac Jones thing where he was on a team full

511
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: of superstars, and you know, Drake May wasn't, and Jane Daniels, Oh,

512
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: will look who he was throwing to. And Michael Pennix,

513
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: look who he was throwing to, and Bonix, look who

514
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: he was throwing to. And I've even said this, right, like,

515
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Speaker 1: if that's a disqualifier for you, Drake May is the

516
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: only guy you're allowed to be in on because he's

517
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: He's the last of his kind. All of these guys

518
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: are going to play on super teams in the NIL era.

519
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: That all being said, I don't think it was exactly

520
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: Drake May and a bunch of bums out there. The

521
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: offensive line is pretty bad. The offensive line was not good.

522
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: He had better weapons than I think people who don't

523
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: follow college football realize because they look at the draft.

524
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Speaker 1: They look at the UNC draft class and they see

525
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Speaker 1: Teses Walker and that's it. If you go and look

526
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Speaker 1: at their twenty twenty five class, Bryson Nesbit's probably gonna

527
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: be the first tight end off the board. Nate McCallum,

528
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: if he comes out as a wide receiver, he's good.

529
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: Marion Haampton's really good pass catching back. So I just

530
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: was curious, like if you were exposed to seeing any

531
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: of those guys, and maybe kind of again, he's not

532
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: throwing to Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas. He's not throwing

533
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: to a Donja McMillan in Polk, But he wasn't exactly

534
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: throwing to the twenty twenty Patriots either. Like there was

535
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: some talent out there. It's for people who only follow

536
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: the NFL, though, it's not names you know outside of

537
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Tess Walker because they were all underclassmen. UNC was just

538
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: it was a very very young team last year.

539
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that the other thing that people talked

540
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: about with UNC too is they were really bummed out

541
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: by the fact that they only had tes Walker for

542
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: part of the year last year. I think that was

543
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: really difficult for them. They came in with a really

544
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: big plan for tes Walker to be the guy in

545
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: that offense. He played in eight games, but he was

546
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: some of those games where you know, he was cleared

547
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: on a Thursday and then thrown into a game on

548
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: a Saturday type of situation. So it was you know,

549
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: that was one of the things that Lindsay said to

550
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: us was that they didn't really have the tes Walker

551
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: that they were hoping to have. They had him for

552
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: some games, but it wasn't every single game. So I

553
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: thought that in general though, they they spoke highly of

554
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: Drake May because I think a lot of the time

555
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: when you when you hear these things, everybody gushes about

556
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: their guys this time of year, all the coaches, all

557
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: the the ocs, all the people at these campuses, everybody

558
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: by I asked ad Lsu praised Jayden Daniels up and down,

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: and everybody I asked that U n C praised Drake

560
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: May up and down. That that's just they're trying to

561
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: help these guys out.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I don't put a ton of stock

563
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: in the pro day, because it's built for that specifically.

564
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: It's a showcase. It's not an evaluation.

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's a fair point. I think

566
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: that you know the other thing, and then we can

567
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: transition to it to Daniels. I think the thing I

568
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: want to do emphasis emphasize about Drake May though, is

569
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: that I talked to people that were at Caleb Williams's

570
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: pro da. JJ McCarthy's all these guys, right, all these guys.

571
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy still has a lot of buzz and praise

572
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 2: for how well he threw the ball at Michigan. And

573
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't there for that one. Neither of us were.

574
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: So it's not that I'm trying to take away from

575
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: anything that JJ McCarthy did. I just I wasn't there

576
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: for it. So I don't feel as though I am

577
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: as knowledgeable about it as I was these two guys.

578
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: With that being said, I think the one thing that

579
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: people took away at least from the consensus top three

580
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: Caleb Daniels and Drake May, was that Drake May's level

581
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: of difficulty on the throws he was making was way

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: way harder than what Caleb and Jaden Daniels showed scouts.

583
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: I think Caleb Williams didn't probably feel the need to,

584
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: and I think Jaden Daniels was trying to show I

585
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: can be a traditional quarterback. It's not just about my legs.

586
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't have to move around, I don't have to run.

587
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: I can just sit here and make throws accurately as well.

588
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: And I think you did that for the most part.

589
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: So you're talking about Daniels, you mentioned that he had

590
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: some incomplete passes, and so did Drake May, so I

591
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: won't knock him for those. I just that was the

592
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I came away from it was I

593
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: was really impressed with Jaden Daniels's compact release, the smooth delivery,

594
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: the efficient just top half, you know, above his waist,

595
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: you can tell that he's got a really fluid, natural

596
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: throwing motion. It doesn't really look at all like it's

597
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: uncomfortable or awkward for him to throw the ball, regardless

598
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: of the arm angle, regardless of the platform and he's

599
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: got a really compact quick release. So although he doesn't

600
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: have the biggest of arms, like there was clearly a

601
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: difference between watching Drake May throw the ball and watching

602
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels throw the ball these last two days. His

603
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: ability to get the ball out so quickly and have

604
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: that snappy release allows the ball to get on guys

605
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: a little bit faster than let's say, what the mphs

606
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: are going to tell you on a radar gun because

607
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: of that ability to just get the ball out so quickly,

608
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: So I thought that was good up from Daniels. I didn't,

609
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: like I said, make as many throws on the move

610
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: off platform or guys running at him like they were

611
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: with Drake made today like you mentioned earlier, But in

612
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: general I thought that he did what he needed to

613
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: do and had a solid pro day as well.

614
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I think he was fine. I think

615
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: he was okay. You'd like to see him do a

616
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 1: little better in that, but I wouldn't say he, you know,

617
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: threw up all over himself or anything, and he was

618
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: he was all right. The big thing for him was

619
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the weigh in, which I think he just probably hit

620
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: the baseline at two ten six three two ten. There

621
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: were only five hang On, I have the tweet here.

622
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: I think it's only five quarterbacks last year that started

623
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: at least eight games to two hund ten pounds. One

624
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: of them will surprise you, because it definitely surprised me.

625
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Hang On, I gotta scroll all the way back yesterday

626
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: pass my tweet about Joe Milton throwing into the winds.

627
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: There it is, so, yeah, only five way two ten

628
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: or less. Aiden O'Connell's six three to two ten, So

629
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: that's the same size. But Aiden O'Connell looks big, bigger, right,

630
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: he looks more built, So maybe the listing's off. I

631
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: got these offrom Pro Football Reference. Kyler Murray five ten

632
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: two oh seven, Desmond Ritter sixty three to two oh seven,

633
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Bryce Young five ten to four. And then this one

634
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: surprised me. Kirk Cousins sixty three to two oh five.

635
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I did not realize Kirk Cousins was that much of

636
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: a stick. But that's a guy. I know he's coming

637
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: off at twenty killes, but that's the guy for most

638
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: of his career was durable. Yeah, so I I feel

639
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: like that gives you the solid baseline. I don't know

640
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: that I anything below that, I think you start asking

641
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: some serious questions. But I think at two ten, you

642
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: know my rule of thumb, add ten pounds for a

643
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: guy just getting on an NFL weight program. So he'll

644
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: he'll come in, he'll be like six three two fifteen twenty.

645
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: It'll be enough. I don't think anybody will ever call

646
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: size of strength of his but he'll be big enough.

647
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I didn't look at him and see

648
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: a string bean. What I saw was, Well, let.

649
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: Me ask you this, for a point of comparison for

650
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Patriots fans, how would you compare him to like Taekwon.

651
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: Thornton definitely has more meat on the bone than Taiekwon

652
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: Taikwan and maybe maybe Taekwon. We've seen some of these

653
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: off season workouts bart with Taekwon. Maybe he's a totally

654
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: different human being now, But based off what we've seen

655
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: from Taekwon in the past, we're not gonna be talking

656
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: about Jayden Daniels's wrists. We might be talking about his elbow,

657
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: but right hey, that's the I know.

658
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: People have had that condition. It's a fluid build up

659
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: that's and it gets you drain it. That's just something

660
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: that happens to people, especially people who use their elbow

661
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: repeatedly with force. Uh, there's no extra bone there, it's

662
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: not it's just a little fluid build up, that's all

663
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: that is. It's that that should not matter. I we're

664
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: gonn talk about because it looks weird as hell. A

665
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: teacher in college, you had that, it was always very

666
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: weird looking to see. But it's it's just there's a

667
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: little fluid in there. That's all that is.

668
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's no reason to be concerned about it.

669
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody is that matters, you know, the

670
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: actual teams and the scouts. But I thought looking at

671
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, and I haven't been in an NBA locker

672
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: hime ever before, but because some of the times that

673
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: I have been closer, you know, gotten to meet NBA

674
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: players or whatever, that's what it reminds. His body type

675
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: reminds me of is a lean, athletic build. It's not

676
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: that he is string beanie. I don't think that he's

677
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: really really thin or so like he's agile. Yeah, I

678
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: just think that he's a tall, lean guy. And granted,

679
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: basketball is not a contact sport, and the way that

680
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: football is so people are going to hear that and

681
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: probably say, well, basketball players aren't going to have to

682
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: get drilled in the pocket by three hundred and ten

683
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: pound linemen, and that's totally fair. But I look at

684
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: it more like he's probably going to be able to

685
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: pack on more weight onto the frame because he carries

686
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: his weight well. It's not like he looks very very

687
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: frail or very very skinny, nor does it look like

688
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: he's maxed out. He does look a little bit like

689
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: a young Jason Tatum. That's probably he's not as tall, obviously,

690
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: but you know those types of guys in the NBA

691
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: that are coming and then three four years later, all

692
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there they're huge. Right. So that's the

693
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: way I looked at Jendon Daniels' body type. I didn't

694
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: look at it and say and come away from this

695
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: and being like that's a problem, Like it's going to

696
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: be a problem now. Brian Kelly coming out and saying

697
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: that people are asking him left and right about whether

698
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: or not he's going to be able to protect himself

699
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: at the next level, that lets you know that it's

700
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: on teams teams his mind more so, I would say,

701
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: based off of his playing style.

702
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: The non sliding thing is rule, and that's nothing he

703
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: was going to be able to prove in a pro day.

704
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: They should have had him do a period where he

705
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: just like slid and ran out of bounds.

706
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was nothing. I didn't come into

707
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: LSU's Pro day with Jayden Daniels expecting him to put

708
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: on an absolute show in the throwing session. It just

709
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: that's not the type of player that he is. I

710
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: came into it thinking that if he was just accurate

711
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: and maybe showed some footwork from under center, that teams

712
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: would be satisfied with that showing. He wasn't as accurate

713
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: as I was hoping he would be, especially based off

714
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: of the film where he was extremely accurate last year

715
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: at LSU. But I think that he threw the ball

716
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: well enough that when you add in the extra layer

717
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: that's going to come in, which is his mobility, you

718
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: have a real, big time explosive playmaker. And that's the

719
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: thing that he kept on saying to the media afterwards

720
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: in some of the TV hits I saw that he

721
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: did was that he's a big play machine. That's what

722
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: he is. So my biggest fear with Jayden Daniels in

723
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: terms of the Patriots and just in terms of his

724
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: NFL projection. It has nothing to do with what he

725
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: showed yesterday, nothing to do with his size. My biggest

726
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: fear continues to be I think the comparison that I

727
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: can use bart to put this in Layman's terms is

728
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: it's almost like he's a really good three point shooting

729
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: basketball team, and he's gonna have nights where he's just

730
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: gonna hit twenty five. I have three pointers and it's

731
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: just a barrage of threes, and you're just not gonna

732
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: be able to keep up on the scoreboard. But the

733
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: question is, what is he going to do if a

734
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: team devises a really good game plan against his legs

735
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: or he doesn't have those ball winners on the outside

736
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: like Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior to win down the

737
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: field on the vertical routes. Where are his layups in

738
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: like his mid range game right now?

739
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Because so so you admit that a basketball team that

740
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: shoots a lot of threes that doesn't have a play

741
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: and b might have some problems down the road.

742
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that is what I'm saying.

743
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll put that conversation aside for later, But

744
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: we're saying regards to Daniels.

745
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Does that analogy make sense? That's my fear it does.

746
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear it coming from you. But yeah,

747
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna need a better plan. B. He's gonna need

748
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: a better left hook. Can he become more reliable in

749
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: the short game and take what's given to him when

750
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: defenses take away things over the top and kind of

751
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, spy him more than russiam And is he

752
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: going to be able to pick a team apart in

753
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: the short part of the field when that's the only

754
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: option they give him, which is not He's not the

755
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: first quarterback to have that problem. We talked a lot

756
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: about that with Josh Aher, I talk a lot about

757
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: that with Josh Allen. Uh, that doesn't mean it's not

758
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: a problem, but like that is, I think a lot

759
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: of guys now coming out just the way the college

760
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: game is played. That's that's something that that some guys

761
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: have to work on.

762
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: It's very similar to Josh Allen, and that's probably the

763
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: best football comparison is a team like with Bills, Which.

764
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Is funny because the guy that's being comed to Josh

765
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: Allen is Drake man.

766
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he doesn't. Jadan Daniels doesn't play like Josh Allen.

767
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: We're not saying that, We're just saying that the type

768
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: of offense Buffalo is where it's very it's very streaky,

769
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: and it's very boom or bust. That's the fear that

770
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: I have with Jayden Daniels. And it's similar to I

771
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: think moments that Justin Fields has had in the league

772
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: as well, where he has these moments in these games

773
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: like the one on Monday Night in New England in

774
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty too, where you're like, holy crap, this guy

775
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: is just incredibly talented. You know, you can run around,

776
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: he can throw, he's got a huge arm, like all,

777
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: he's got every tool in the toolbox that you could

778
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: possibly need. But is it going to be able to

779
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: be consistent and efficient and productive over seventeen games versus

780
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: just In Spurts And I think the one thing that

781
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: you definitely also saw at LSU was how good these

782
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: two receivers are that he was throwing to. So the

783
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Patriots met with Malik Neighbors. That was reported I think

784
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Yeah, and I would

785
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: say that that's probably more about doing due diligence for

786
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: a trade down scenarios. You know, there's a chance that

787
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: they trade out of the pick, and maybe Molik Neighbors

788
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: is somebody that they're considering. If they traded to six

789
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: or eleven or something like that, probably not going to

790
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: be there at eleven.

791
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't think eleven for Neighbors. No, that would be six,

792
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I would think.

793
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: Right, So.

794
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I also mean I also kind of wonder if they

795
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: met with Neighbors and just asked him about Jane Daniels

796
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: for an hour.

797
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: It's possible, It's definitely possible. I came away from it

798
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: thinking that Neighbors was the best player on the field

799
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: in a pro day, So the take that for what

800
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: it's worth, right. But I was at Day Flowers's pro

801
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: day last year. This was different. This was absolutely different.

802
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just the athletic testing. It was the

803
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: routes too. I think the one thing that really stands

804
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: out with him is it's like it looks like he's

805
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: running downhill because of how much momentum and just how

806
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: much build up speed he has. I always when I

807
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: watched him on film, I loved the sudden acceleration that

808
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: he has, especially after the catch, but watching him run

809
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: routes the other day, the thing that really stood out

810
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: to me was how his build up speed and how

811
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: he gained speed with the football in the air to

812
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: track it down as well. And that's something that I think,

813
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, the pacing, the changing of gears, that type

814
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: of stuff, that's how you separate at the next level.

815
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. This wasn't his showcase. He's a six

816
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: foot four, four to three guy that's going to be

817
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: a really, really good receiver at the next level. But

818
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: Malik Nighbors was probably the best thing I saw on

819
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: this entire trip. I mean, he was that good yesterday

820
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: at the Pro day, he was fantastic. I'm not sitting

821
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that means for the Patriots.

822
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: I think the one question I would ask you, and

823
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: you touched on this a little bit earlier, how much

824
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: of the production of Jaden Daniels Are you gonna sit

825
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: there and are we talking about it like we talked

826
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: about Mac Jones at Alabama three years where was yeah,

827
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, we there was things I like about him,

828
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddley at YadA YadA, is

829
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: Daniels at all falling into that trap for you as well?

830
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd not like mac Jones because he didn't.

831
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: Mac Jones wasn't mac Jones didn't rush for eleven hundred

832
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: yards that I don't care who your receivers are, you

833
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: ran for eleven hundred yards. I do think there's an

834
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: element of hey, he was throwing to these really great receivers,

835
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 1: But again you look at like who wasn't once again,

836
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: outside of Drake May, who wasn't. And I think you

837
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: need to look at individually what the quarterback did independent

838
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: of the guys he was throwing the ball to. Did

839
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Jamee Daniels get help? Yeah, He's probably doesn't win the

840
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Heisman without those two guys. Do I still believe he's

841
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: a tremendously talented quarterback, Yes, I do. The numbers are

842
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: certainly inflated a little bit. I don't think he's quite

843
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: as good as maybe the LSU numbers suggest. But say

844
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: the same thing about Michael Pennox, I can say the

845
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: same thing about Kayleb Williams. I certainly said it about

846
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks. So I still think, you know, he's good,

847
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: good touch on the deep ball right, that's before the

848
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: ball gets the receiver. I think he's doing a good

849
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: job of putting the ball where it needs to be.

850
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job of maneuvering in

851
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: the pocket. Again, that's wide receivers. Aside already talked about

852
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: the rushing ability, there's enough there that like, yeah, you

853
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: give him the shot to see what he can do.

854
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: And also, let's not forget again, the plan is not

855
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: to draft him and put no receivers around him. The

856
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: plan is to draft him and maybe year one he

857
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have great receivers. But get him his step On Diggs,

858
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: get him his Tyreek Hill, get him his Justin Well.

859
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Cousins has been the lead for years. But you know

860
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, get him his Aj Brown. What all

861
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: these teams did for their young quarterbacks. If you can

862
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: get him a guy that can allow him to make

863
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: some of those throws and give him some more room

864
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: for error, he's certainly the kind of guy that can

865
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: capitalize on it.

866
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it

867
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: with him, is that I don't think that he's a

868
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: special thrower, but I will say he's a much better

869
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: thrower than Lamar was coming out of college.

870
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think it's close.

871
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: In terms of mechanics, footwork, accuracy, all those types of things.

872
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Lamar when he came out of college was still pretty

873
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: raw as a passer. You know, he had to rework

874
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: release and is throwing mechanics, He had to work on

875
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: his footwork. There was a lot of elements.

876
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that vented himself as a passer. And that's not

877
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: a knock on Lamar, it's a credit to him. I

878
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: mean he put the work in all that.

879
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when two MVPs like that, not everybody can

880
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah. And Jayden Daniels is really Lamar Jackson walked.

881
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: So though Jayden Daniels could run, right, because I think.

882
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson ran so Jade and Daniels could also run.

883
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Mark Jackson walked much.

884
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think ten

885
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: years ago. I think ten years ago, Jayden Daniels are

886
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe a little bit longer than that,

887
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: but ten fifteen years ago, let's call it that. Jaden Daniels,

888
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that teams would have known what to

889
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: do with Jayden Daniels. I think if you look back

890
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: at Atlanta Michael Vick before you know, all the s

891
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: hit the fan, right, I don't think that people really

892
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: knew what to do with that yet. I think that

893
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: he was winning those games and he was putting up

894
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: those numbers on pure talent, forget about it, right, not

895
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: because they had all these schemes, you know, the zone

896
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: reads and the spread concepts and the empty concepts and

897
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: all these things that allow these guys to just go

898
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: out there and make plays. Now, they didn't. They weren't

899
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: doing that with Michael Vick. They were putting Michael Vick

900
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: in a pro style offense, and he was just running

901
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: around and making things happen. I think now, you know,

902
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is coming into this league now where he

903
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: is a much better pure thrower than Lamar Jackson was

904
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: than Michael Vick was, because teams have learned how to

905
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: use the skill set a little bit better, especially in college.

906
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: We're not maybe all the way there in the pros yet,

907
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: but I'd say especially in college, we are. And I

908
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: think that's really encouraging if you're the team that ends

909
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: up drafting him, is that he's coming into this with

910
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: a much higher floor because of that, and that's why

911
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: I think he's in the conversation for number two, number

912
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: three overall, whereas Lamar Jackson didn't go until the end

913
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: of the first round. So that's a big positive I

914
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: think for Daniels, because I know it kind of probably

915
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm all in on May and kind of

916
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: crapping on Daniels a little bit, and that's not my intention.

917
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: I just I think with Daniels, you still go back

918
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: to the consistency from the pocket and the ability to

919
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: just win as a passer. But the thing that I

920
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: am encouraged by is that he's much further along as

921
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: a passer than other archetypes in his vein in the past.

922
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: And the age the h Drake May's twenty one, Jane

923
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: Daniels is twenty four. Like that's part. If Jane Daniels

924
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: was twenty one, he'd be the second quarterback off the board.

925
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I don't think that would even be a question. But

926
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old, he's further into his development

927
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: physic you know, he's just fur the long he's when

928
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: you signed to a second contract, he's going to be

929
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Drake May will be twenty six. It doesn't

930
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: sound like a difference for NFL teams that are trying

931
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: to make a long term investment. It is. I'm not

932
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: saying that's right, but that's how it's viewed. So I

933
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: think that that's another part of it.

934
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. What do you think about

935
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: just before we wrap here, the LCU receivers, Neighbors Thomas,

936
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: where do we think they go? I know a lot

937
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: of people came out of that pro day yesterday when

938
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: I was talking about those two guys and talking about neighbors,

939
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: who I fully admit, hand up, I was. I was

940
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: swooning over Neighbors yesterday.

941
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he was, so do you do you have

942
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: him over Harrison?

943
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: Then no, I don't, But I understand if that's the

944
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: skill set that you want it it's just like a

945
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels Drake May argument to me, where it's all

946
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: about the type of guy that you want. Right. If

947
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: you want a game breaking speed type of player that

948
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: can take any level of throw for a second, third

949
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: level throw and turn it into an eighty yard touchdown,

950
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: then that's Moliku Neighbors. In a lot of ways, I've

951
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: been trying to come up with the best comp for

952
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: neighbors and it's it's tough. I've used Jalen Waddle in

953
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: the past. I think there's some element of that. I

954
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: think that there's some elements. He's a little bit bigger,

955
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: but he's not that much bigger. He's like six feet

956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: one ninety I think is what he weighed in yesterday.

957
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: So he did come in a little bit. I thought, yeah,

958
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: it's possible. But so he's not a power player like

959
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, to me, is a power player for his site.

960
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, he's not. Chase.

961
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: Chase is much stronger and much stronger at the catch point?

962
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: Is he a little is he a little Odell? Like?

963
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

964
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: I think I don't think he has the flashes at

965
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: the catch. He doesn't have the one handed catches and

966
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, right.

967
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: Like how often does he have to do that? How

968
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: many opportunities did he have to do that?

969
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: I see a little Odell.

970
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: I think that's fair.

971
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: Maybe that's just LSU another l I.

972
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: Think Odell minus the Well, it's tough to say Odell

973
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: minus the stuff at the catch point because that's like

974
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: saying somebody's Mike Vic minus the speed. Like that's right,

975
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing, but very like, very explosive, very

976
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: fluid mover. I've seen people compare him to Digs. You

977
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: know what my comp is for Digs, Like, I don't

978
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: think he's as well around as digs. Oh done, says

979
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: my digs comp. I'm standing by that. It's one of

980
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: my favorite comps I've come up with. Yeah, it's tough

981
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: because it's just like how he's not He's not a

982
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: gag He's definitely not a gadget player, but he's also

983
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: not what I hall a technically sound receiver. He's just

984
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: physically dominant.

985
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: Is al is it?

986
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: Is it like more vertical deep depot.

987
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: But he's said but deepas two hundred and twenty five pounds.

988
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's the problem. He's bigger, he plays bigger

989
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: than one ninety nine. Though I feel like maybe those

990
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: that's the problem.

991
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: That's the problem that I've had with comps with him

992
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: is that he does his body type in terms of

993
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: height and how he moves on the field. In terms

994
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: of his speed, there is a little bit of Jamar

995
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: Chase there, but Jamar Chase is a is a really

996
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: strong player, Yeah, really strong and in the route at

997
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: the catch point all those types of things. You know,

998
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: he can really he does not get bumped off routes.

999
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: He can play on the outside neighbors. I think at

1000
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: the next level is a slot Like is he slot

1001
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: type of player?

1002
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: Where he right, I'm just being weird. Now, is he

1003
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: like a Max dow Kendrick.

1004
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: Bourne's that's not terrible either, Like he's that's not terrible either,

1005
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: because he's one of those guys that I think, ideally,

1006
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: and this is why I think I started with Waddle

1007
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: is because ideally you want to keep him away from

1008
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: contact as much as possible.

1009
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm not putting neighbors at the X and expecting him

1010
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: to have large exposures to press man and win consistently.

1011
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: In that respect, he'll run by some people because he's

1012
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: just that fast. But that's not the best way to

1013
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: use him. The best way to use him is in

1014
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: the slot, off the line of scrimmage, move them all around,

1015
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: bring him in motion, like all those types of things

1016
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: that that's the way I would use him. So in

1017
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: that respect, I kind of see a little bit of Odell,

1018
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: Like Odell was never appear X to me either. He

1019
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: was always one of those guys too that was they

1020
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: always we're moving him around and things. But the other

1021
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: thing is, you know, with Odell, that really got me

1022
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: thinking this was Odell could take that slant eighty yards

1023
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: to the house in his prime. Ll Odell had that

1024
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: after the catchability that Neighbors has, which I think is

1025
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: one of his best traits. I don't know how the

1026
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: Patriots get their hands on either of these guys. If

1027
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: Daniels is the pick, it would obviously be amazing to

1028
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: pair him with either either BTJ or Bleak Neighbors. Neighbors

1029
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: gonna be long off the board. I think Neighbors' floor

1030
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: is probably I mean, I look at you know, a

1031
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: team like the Chargers, a team like the Giants. If

1032
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: they don't go quarterback like that, he could go at

1033
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: six to the Giants easily, easily. So there's no way

1034
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: they could do that. BTJ. Maybe he falls to like

1035
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: the early twenties, just because of how deep this class

1036
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: is at wide receiver, all the quarterbacks that are going

1037
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: to go at the top of the draft. Maybe that's

1038
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: possible to trade up from thirty four to the early twenties.

1039
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: But I just don't see realistically how they get both

1040
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: of those two guys. They get they pairent right, they

1041
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: draft Jaden Daniels and then pair him with one of

1042
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: his receivers.

1043
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably Thomas all right.

1044
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: A couple of last things here that that was the

1045
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: pro day portion. I do want to talk a little

1046
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: bit when you go to these things, a little bit

1047
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: like training camp bart where you you start to look

1048
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: around and and try to observe things. What is your

1049
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: what are the guys do? What is Gerard and Mayo?

1050
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: Who's he talking to? Who's Elliott Wolf talking to? You know,

1051
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: those types of things. The one guy that I think

1052
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: stood out to me from both days that we need

1053
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: to figure out some more information on we're we're both

1054
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: we tried to dabble in journalism every once in a

1055
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: while and not just be be nerds about everything. Right.

1056
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: So Alonso Heismith and his role in all of this,

1057
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: I think is going to be really fascinating moving forward.

1058
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: Alonzo Heismith was the most popular guy at the two

1059
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: pro days. Over the last two days, not a single

1060
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: other person talk to more people inside LSU's practice facility

1061
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: or North Carolina's practice facility than a lots of Heismith.

1062
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: He works the room and on top of that, he

1063
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: just came from the college game. He has a lot

1064
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: of understanding of these guys. It wasn't just oh, I'm

1065
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: gonna go talk to this coach, I'm gonna go talk

1066
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: to that GM. I'm gonna go talk to this guy.

1067
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: He was talking to the players. These student athletes know

1068
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: him from the recruiting trip.

1069
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, right, I think or maybe some of their

1070
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: parents remember him playing and there. I mean, he's third

1071
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: overall pick. He was a nobody in the NFL.

1072
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he he obviously has a relationship with a lot

1073
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: of these people on the college circuit. And there was

1074
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: that report that was out there that he was also

1075
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: going to help Elliott Wolf tweak the grading system and

1076
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: things like that as well. I think we're looking at

1077
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: a situation where Alonzo Highsmith is going to have a really,

1078
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: really big role in college scouting for the Patriots moving

1079
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 2: forward if this regime sticks. I have one other thought

1080
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: on that, but I just want to get your reaction

1081
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: to Alonzo Heighsmith.

1082
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: I like it, I said when they hired him. I

1083
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: like his background. I think he's worked with a lot

1084
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: of good teams. I like that he's a former player.

1085
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: I like that he has that insight. I think he's

1086
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: a good pairing for guys like Elliot Wolf and Matt

1087
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: Grow who have really just spent their entire career in

1088
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: the scouting room. High Smith has been at so many

1089
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: different level He's worked in college, he's worked in the pros,

1090
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: he played all that, so I would hope he's involved.

1091
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: I think when Ian Rapaport gave that report a month

1092
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: ago about that Elliot Wolf was going to final say,

1093
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I think I remember him saying high Smith was essentially

1094
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: the number three in the front office. Is Wolf one,

1095
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Grow to high Smith three. So you'd think that guy'd

1096
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: be pretty influential, But given where he comes from, you

1097
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: is just at Miami, it makes sense the most that

1098
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: influence would be on the amateur scouting side.

1099
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so you could just tell that that guy's

1100
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: got a personality. Just everybody seemed to really enjoy having

1101
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: talks with him. He was talking to Jaden Daniels for

1102
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. It seemed like they knew each other

1103
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: from somewhere along the line, or maybe it's just one

1104
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: of those things. And I think there's a little bit

1105
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: of this with Girard Mayo too, where you were a

1106
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: formal player. So these guys just have respect for you

1107
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: for the fact that you were in the league. And

1108
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 2: Alonzo Heisman a third overall pick, Gerd Mayo high first

1109
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: round pick himself. So a lot of these guys I

1110
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: think are also a little bit starstruck to meet these people.

1111
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: It was the same way with Bill for different reasons, obviously,

1112
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: but it's it's I think that's the angle that they're

1113
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: coming at it now, is Oh snap, you know, that's

1114
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: that's Alonzo Heisman. You know he was great to all

1115
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: time great college player, third overall pick, that's Geron Mayo,

1116
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: top ten pick, super Bowl champion. I think stuff like

1117
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: that going on as well, that it's encouraging from a

1118
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: scotting standpoint for the Patriots or just from a you know,

1119
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 2: the fact that this new regime and all that type

1120
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: of stuff, we're taking a lot of heat. Bart I'm

1121
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, tell people what's going on when

1122
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: you see these guys in the wild. The other thing

1123
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention from this point of view, you

1124
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: mentioned Macro's name. I just I don't know what Macro's

1125
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: and this is pure speculation. I have no inside information.

1126
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what Macro's role and this is after

1127
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: the draft. I just it seemed to me like, you know,

1128
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: this is Elliott wolf Hi Smith. I think Patrick Stewart,

1129
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: who I don't think a lot of people know very well.

1130
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: It's a senior personal executive with the Patriots is pretty involved.

1131
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: I would just be interested to see when we get

1132
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: from a month from now and the draft is over

1133
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: and the dust is settled, what is Macro's future with

1134
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots.

1135
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he's maybe he's just on to the next draft,

1136
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: and maybe they kept him because he had done all

1137
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: the work during the season under Belichick, he was ahead

1138
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: of the personnel department and that's why he's still here.

1139
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: He could absolutely be gone after the draft, but he

1140
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: just might be their lead draft guy now and he's

1141
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: going to do all the work, you know, up through

1142
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: the college football playoff and then kind of handed over

1143
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: to the guys upstairs once the offseason really kicks in

1144
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: a gear. That's what a director of college scouting would do.

1145
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: That was his old job before he got promoted, and

1146
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: we kind of think him and Elliott will flip flipped roles.

1147
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: So maybe he just goes back to that. Maybe he

1148
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: just takes the demotion, it's possible.

1149
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: I don't know where else he would go. There's no

1150
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: there's no real Belichick people for him to go latch

1151
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: on with. Maybe Dable in New York is the only

1152
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: other option, but that's a buffalo run operation with Joe Shoon.

1153
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where else those are our wide receivers

1154
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: coach somewhere.

1155
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.

1156
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking, hang on, I'm looking.

1157
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: He was in d for a while, right.

1158
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: Oh, his brother's actually with the Giants.

1159
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the connection. You know, maybe he goes

1160
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: in and gets a highlight ranking role under shown and

1161
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: Dable with the Giants. What did you say?

1162
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily need to be high ranking.

1163
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. But he's not going to go back

1164
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: and be an area scout. You know, he's going to

1165
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: be right, But I don't like.

1166
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting hired as an assistant GM.

1167
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: No. My guess is that he would probably go back

1168
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: to a scouting role of director of college scouting, something

1169
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: along those lines, back to back to college and back

1170
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: to where he started, which I think is good for

1171
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: him in a lot of ways. Honestly, I don't think

1172
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: that Macro, and I've enjoyed getting to talk to Macro

1173
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: a couple of times that that we've been able to

1174
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: and I think he's a nice guy and everything. But

1175
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that that stood out to

1176
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: me is that he is maybe not meant to be

1177
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: a public facing figure in an organization. Certainly your station

1178
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: has gotten plenty of run out of that. If you

1179
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: want to draft fast guys, draft fast guys stuff. I

1180
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: just wonder if maybe Elliott wolf was was born to

1181
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: handle that type of stuff a little bit better. Just

1182
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: just my thoughts on it. I think Macro is at

1183
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: his best when he is on the scouting trail, when

1184
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: he's in the trenches, and when he's doing that type

1185
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: of stuff like he was at the Senior Bowl earlier

1186
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: this year, like he was to the last couple of

1187
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: days at these Pro days. I think that that's where

1188
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: Macro's sweet spot is and there's nothing wrong with that.

1189
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: It's like a great assistant coach like Dante Scarnekki. I'm

1190
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: not saying he's going to Bete Scarneki, but you understand,

1191
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: like not everybody's meant to be a head coach. Some

1192
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: people are just meant to be coordinators. Some people are

1193
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: just meant to be really good assistants, really good position coaches.

1194
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: Maybe Macro is just a really good offensive coordinator in

1195
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: the scouting world.

1196
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, is there a chance you just drop

1197
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: back and does that here?

1198
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: Definitely possible. I do think it's got to be And

1199
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: again this is just coming from me, it's got to

1200
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: be awkward. Well, it would be awkward for anybody just

1201
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: in a in a normal type of career. If you

1202
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: get jumped by by your number two, that's a that's

1203
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: an awkward situation.

1204
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: I think any if you acknowledge you or maybe accelerated early.

1205
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: That's possible. That's possible. Any final thoughts on these protas,

1206
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: I know you're you're maybe a little bit more out

1207
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: on the protos. I think because I wish, you know,

1208
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: you could have been here with me. I feel like

1209
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 2: maybe you would have felt alive.

1210
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: I've never been a big PROTA guy. Yeah, if I

1211
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: was there, I'd probably played up a little more. But

1212
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: you know what, to your point, like, I think you

1213
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: got to be there to really experience it. And again,

1214
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: shorts in a T shirt against air Johnny Manziel had

1215
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: the right idea, at least he threw in pads. I'll

1216
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: give Drake Mason credit he had his coach simulating a

1217
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: rush on a couple of throws. I'll give Joe Milton

1218
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: credit he through outside. I really don't put a ton

1219
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: of talking prode is one way or the other. I

1220
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: think they're probably the most used, not that they're entirely useless,

1221
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: but I think if you know the showcase games, the combine,

1222
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: Pro Days, pre draft visits, those are the big landmark

1223
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: periods of the pre draft process. I think Pro Day's

1224
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: ranks well towards the bottom in terms of what you

1225
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: get out of them.

1226
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I agree with you, and I think that

1227
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: the next big steps in this process the thirty visits,

1228
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: the private workouts. The Patriots I'm sure will have those

1229
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: with all the quarterbacks, whether they're here, should say in

1230
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: Foxborough or are there?

1231
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: Male said they plan on having May Daniels and McCarthy visit.

1232
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: Although you can't do it on you can't do on

1233
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: field work at the top thirty, right, it's only medical

1234
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: workout and meetings.

1235
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: Right. I believe that's true. I always get this one confused.

1236
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. They definitely will have

1237
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: private throwing sessions with these guys. Whether those are on

1238
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: campus or in Foxborough, I'm not really sure about those details.

1239
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: But that's that's really where it's more important, I would say,

1240
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: than these pro days. And that's why they're behind closed doors,

1241
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: because what will happen is is that a VP will

1242
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: get with these guys. He'll put together a script of

1243
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: their plays, right, and their types of throws and their

1244
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: types of reads, and then go ahead and ask those

1245
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: guys to run through. All right, we're running this concept.

1246
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: I just taught you this concept in the classroom. Now

1247
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: we're bringing it out on the field. Show me that

1248
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: you remember the progression, Show me that you remember where

1249
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: you're going with them, all right? That those things I

1250
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: think are what the teams are emphasizing as the most

1251
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 2: important thing these pro days. I agree with you, they're

1252
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of a spectacle. It was really fun

1253
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: to go to them and see it. I thought it

1254
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: was well wor date from our standpoint, from a content standpoint,

1255
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: but that's really what it is. It's a way to

1256
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: get these programs some limelight, which I think is funny

1257
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: because does LSU need any more of a spotlight as

1258
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: like a as a blue blood football program.

1259
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: But for recruits.

1260
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for whatever reason, it's it works for these schools

1261
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: to have these recruits. And today at UNC. I didn't

1262
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: notice it as much at LSU, but I'm sure it

1263
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: happened at LSU today yesterday as well today at U

1264
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: and C there was a ton of alumni. Michael Carter

1265
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: was there.

1266
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: Like that at LSU yesterday too.

1267
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was rumors everywhere. Yeah. Sam Howell, who's really

1268
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: good friends with Drake may I believe I was in

1269
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: the building as well here at U n C uh

1270
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But the bottom line, the takeaway I

1271
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: can wrap it up on this. I think all three

1272
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks are in play for them, Barth. I

1273
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: think JJ McCarthy is in play for them as well.

1274
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be a really a

1275
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: secret to the finish, as it always is, but the

1276
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: commanders control it. But I would say that the biggest

1277
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: takeaway I have is that Drake may, J and Daniels

1278
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: are not alone. I know that that both of us

1279
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: might not agree with that, but JJ McCarthy is somebody

1280
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: that is in the conversation here as well.

1281
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like he is. I'll say he is,

1282
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: because it's our job to say what we think is

1283
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: going to happen, not what we want to happen. But

1284
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: I still don't fully understand why he is.

1285
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right. That does it for this episode.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, Alex say, I'm like a little bit

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Speaker 2: out of practice with doing this like this.

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Speaker 1: It definitely feels weird.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was stumbling through that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully we got all the information across that we

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Speaker 2: wanted to and next week we'll be back in studio

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Speaker 2: and we'll do it the new way, the better way,

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Speaker 2: I should say, because man, we need we need the listeners,

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Speaker 2: we need the calls, we need the emails. It was

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Speaker 2: just us just talking against the wall. I didn't like

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Speaker 2: that as much. So I'm excited to get back into studio.

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Speaker 2: But before we sign off, a couple more shout outs.

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Speaker 2: Barth Big. A lot of talk on campus today about

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Speaker 1: Are you going to be there for the game? Are

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow? So I guess technically I will be.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Dude, you gotta go to like you gotta go

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Speaker 1: out somewhere and experience it. That's it. That's a big

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Speaker 1: time college sports environment. Oh, I just got so jeous.

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Speaker 1: Not that I wasn't plate. I just got so jealous.

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Speaker 1: You plete promise me for me, you'll go somewhere and actually,

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Speaker 1: like UNC in a sweet sixteen game. You're on campus,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be electric. Get out there and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: I will, I will. I'll try to get out and

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Speaker 2: enjoy it. I have been up since four point thirty

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Speaker 2: know how much longer I'm going to last. And that

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Speaker 2: might be part of the reason why I couldn't think

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Speaker 2: straight for this entire podcast.

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Speaker 1: You got four hours till the game. Take a nap, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'll take a nap, all right. Well, I'll see you.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you back in Foxborough next week.

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Speaker 1: Alex and I.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you guys, and we'll get back in

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Speaker 2: the studio next Thursday, same time as usual. But until then.

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Speaker 2: Signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: listening everybody, and we'll see you guys next week.

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