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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an

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Speaker 3: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal,

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Speaker 3: indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: We are going deep on what's going on in MAGA.

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Speaker 2: Trump feuding with MTG and Thomas Massey. We got a

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Speaker 2: late night reversal from him on the Epstein Files. Now

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Speaker 2: he's telling Republicans that they should vote for the release.

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Speaker 2: This is a huge deal, so a lot to get

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Speaker 2: into there. I Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes is declaring that MAGA

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Speaker 2: is dead and so that is certainly worth discussing. And

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Speaker 2: debating whether or not this moment does in fact spell

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Speaker 2: the end of MAGA effectively, and how weakened President Trump

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Speaker 2: is in this moment. We've also got Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 2: telling the truth about Israel on CNN, much to Dana

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Speaker 2: Bash's shock and chagrin. Israel also asking for a twenty

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Speaker 2: year security agreement typically those have been ten years. They're

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Speaker 2: asking for more money as well, seemingly an acknowledgment that

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Speaker 2: they understand the politics of Israel are shifting very quickly

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Speaker 2: here in the US. And we got some stuff from

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Speaker 2: the Democratic side of the aisle as well, including new

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Speaker 2: reporting on how Chuck Schumer politically speaking, is a dead

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Speaker 2: man walking. He probably won't get pushed out of leadership,

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Speaker 2: but very unlikely that he would be able to run

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Speaker 2: going on there as well. Don't want to lose sight

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Speaker 3: All of this, Yeah, of course, I mean, look, there's

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Speaker 3: of our Epstein coverage which we've been on for the

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Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and start with MTG.

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Speaker 3: As Chrystal said, this is definitely the biggest news of

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Speaker 3: in the Republican Party being forced over Israel over Epstein

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Speaker 3: by association. Perhaps because of the association between those two.

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Speaker 3: But MTG has now come under fire despite being one

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put the truth up there. That

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Speaker 3: came on some Friday night, Trump officially unindorsed Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congressman Marjorie

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Speaker 3: and put her text please on the screen. President Trump

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Speaker 3: most Americans wish he would fight this hard to help

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Speaker 1: That's what I voted for.

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Speaker 3: I have supported President Trump with too much of my

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Speaker 3: remain America first and America only. The text messages were

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Speaker 3: She says here, in every single interview I have done,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I would say is, do not underestimate this woman.

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Speaker 2: Don't underestimate her. I agree, because think about the fact

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Speaker 2: the issues she chose are incredibly, incredibly intelligent, and then

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Speaker 2: Didn't you say? That's what you're all about? Her messaging

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Speaker 3: And to the extent that she has changed, which we'll

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Speaker 3: I've been down this before. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: The timing of this just happens to be days before

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Speaker 1: I am not a trader.

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Speaker 3: However, when the President of the United States irresponsibly calls

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Speaker 3: Remember we talked about this when Hillary, for example, qu's

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Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot get your way out of this.

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Speaker 6: I stood with President Trump when virtually no one else did,

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Speaker 6: The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue,

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Speaker 8: What do you think happened? What do you think is

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files,

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Speaker 9: Now that has never worked in the past.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an extremely important point.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's understand MTG and the Liz Cheney type phenomenon. Now,

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Speaker 3: the spirit of why Trump got elected in the first place,

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Speaker 3: and saying, hey, that was a betrayal.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The reason I think it may resonate with you or

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Speaker 3: other like commentators is that one of the ways that

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Speaker 3: a lot of the Democrats are recognized to try and

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Speaker 3: gain background is they're like, well, one way that we

443
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Speaker 3: have to win is in a bigger tent is to

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Speaker 3: convince people to vote for us. And one of the

445
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Speaker 3: ways to do that is to say, the other person

446
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Speaker 3: that you voted for didn't deliver what you promised. Now,

447
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Speaker 3: but that's an important distinction in terms of what makes

448
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Speaker 3: somebody a quote turncoat and somebody who is actually authentically

449
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Speaker 3: within you know, that ideological sphere and then speaking out

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Speaker 3: against that. The Republican critique of her right now, like

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Speaker 3: the you know, the pro Trump critique is that she's

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Speaker 3: undermining the administration, not you know, that she is somebody

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Speaker 3: who has like turned on everything that she used to

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Speaker 3: believe in the past. I don't think that that's the

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Speaker 3: case now. In terms of her stylistic apology, I read

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Speaker 3: that very much in the way of actually coming to

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Speaker 3: terms with a couple of things. First and foremost was

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Speaker 3: the Israel criticism, because I think it was a huge

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Speaker 3: eye opener for a lot for her, in particular to

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Speaker 3: take in a lot of the information about Israel to

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Speaker 3: conclude ultimately that we should not militarily support this nation.

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Speaker 3: She even went so far as to call it a genocide.

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Speaker 3: And I think what she understood is that in the past,

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Speaker 3: you know, for a lot of politicians, they just bought

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Speaker 3: the Israel propaganda kind of hook line and sinker, and

466
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Speaker 3: what they watch is that nasty rhetoric be employed against

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Speaker 3: them for simply acknowledging truths like hey, you're slaughtering a

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Speaker 3: lot of women and children. And I do think that

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Speaker 3: that in particular, a lot of the nastiness and the rhetoric,

470
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Speaker 3: when they see how that is weaponized against them for

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Speaker 3: merely just speaking their own mind and for trying to

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Speaker 3: uphold those very principles, that makes them reassess how they

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Speaker 3: themselves have acted in the past and also how you

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Speaker 3: want to try and build some.

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Speaker 1: Consensus in the future.

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Speaker 3: And so this is one of those where what they're

477
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Speaker 3: all everybody is trying to sketch out bets right now.

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Speaker 3: We were just looking at the morning this morning, Ted

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Speaker 3: Cruz attacking Tucker Carlson. Part of it is because he

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Speaker 3: wants to make a twenty twenty eight run. Part of

481
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Speaker 3: here with MTG is explicitly picking and saying, hey, I

482
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Speaker 3: feel like a lot of the promises are being betrayed.

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Speaker 3: But you know, also with MTG, you know, to give

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Speaker 3: her at least some credit, you know, if she is cynical.

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Speaker 3: She often talks about her children, and she talks often

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Speaker 3: about the ability to purchase a home her home state

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Speaker 3: of Georgia. By the way, I was just we were

488
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Speaker 3: just looking at some economic stuff this morning. Georgia is

489
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Speaker 3: not doing very well in terms of their economy. They

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Speaker 3: just had those democratic swings against them, Like if you

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Speaker 3: want to preserve ability to win or winning this of

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Speaker 3: the recent Republican coalition, you have to kind of return

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Speaker 3: to a lot of those routes. She also she passes

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Speaker 3: a vibe check in terms of her ability to go

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Speaker 3: and to do a lot of what Trump did in

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Speaker 3: the original twenty twenty four campaign. She was just on

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Speaker 3: the Tim Dillon podcast. I thought she handled it incredibly well.

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Speaker 1: She can go on the view.

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Speaker 3: She handled herself. I thought there quite confidently. She coul

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Speaker 3: pretty much go anywhere and handle anything. And that is

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Speaker 3: something again, you know, which I don't think of Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump would actually do very well on a podcast right

503
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Speaker 3: now if he's actually even remotely challenged, let's say, on

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Speaker 3: Epstein or any of the promises that he originally made

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. Because the power is now real

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Speaker 3: for her, she can actually critique, and that's very, very powerful.

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Speaker 3: I've talked previously about kind of the rise of Nick

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Speaker 3: Fuentes and others, and one of the things that Emily

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Speaker 3: has said, I'm borrowing this, it's not my take, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's so deeply true, is there is not

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Speaker 3: a lot of space in the MAGA machine and in

512
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Speaker 3: particular in Republican media, for people who are not liberals

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Speaker 3: to critique the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't exist. There's no permission structure.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot like Joe Biden saying he's senile back

516
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Speaker 3: in what twenty twenty three? That was like, we could

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Speaker 3: not say those things in democratic aligned spaces, even though

518
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Speaker 3: a huge portion of the Democratic base was like, he's

519
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Speaker 3: too old, he's to old, he's to old. He's told well,

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Speaker 3: there is a lot of American dissatisfaction, including people who

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Speaker 3: voted for Donald Trump, who again are not liberals. These

522
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Speaker 3: are not bleeding heart liberals, but they are upset, and

523
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Speaker 3: so to see them validated in this politician, it seems courageous.

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Speaker 1: It's a big bet. Again, will it work out? I mean,

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Speaker 1: who knows? Right, it's only November.

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Speaker 3: There's three years to go, still, two years basically til

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Speaker 3: the actual primary really gets started in Is it Iowa

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Speaker 3: still for the Republicans? I forget, I think it's still

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Speaker 3: Iowa and New Hampshire Like yeah, look, no, nobody's going

530
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Speaker 3: to make any declarations, and she could absolutely crash and

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Speaker 3: burn that midterm elections will be an interesting test. She's

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Speaker 3: on endorsing, he said in a follow on truth, he

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Speaker 3: wants somebody to run against her. Let's see, let's see

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Speaker 3: how it works out. But he's also, you know, going

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Speaker 3: against Thomas Massey, and it doesn't look like that it's

536
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Speaker 3: really working out that well. For example, his most recent

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Speaker 3: critiques I think are probably only going to strengthen Thomas Massey.

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Speaker 1: Let's put that on the.

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Speaker 3: Screen for example, what we have here, Trump says, did

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey sometimes refer to as rand Paul Junior because

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Speaker 3: of the fact that he always votes against the Republican Party?

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Speaker 1: Get married already? Question question? Question boy?

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Speaker 3: That was quick, No wonder the polls have him at

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Speaker 3: less than eight percent chance of winning the election. Not true, anyway,

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Speaker 3: have a great life, Thomas and question mark. His wife

546
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Speaker 3: will soon find out that she's stuck with a loser.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I think that that was a really

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean it's one of those where

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Speaker 3: a lot of people just looked at that are viscerally disgusted.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey's wife tragically died, you know of a hell

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Speaker 3: of his previous wife tragically died, you know, of a

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Speaker 3: health incident, and he was obviously heartbroken recently just got remarried,

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Speaker 3: and it's I mean, seemed pretty happy.

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Speaker 1: I think that's great.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think most normal people were like, Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's fantastic, you know, congratulation. Even in his announcement, he

557
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Speaker 3: kind of made an ode, you know, to his dead.

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Speaker 1: Wife and how he misses her all the time.

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, the visceral nature in which

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Speaker 3: Trump attacked Massy is Massy. You can say whatever you

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Speaker 3: want about him. I've criticized him here before. I don't

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Speaker 3: agree with everything that the guy says, but it's like

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Speaker 3: mtg In, I believe that what he says is what

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Speaker 3: he thinks, and that's the most, right now, the biggest

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Speaker 3: differentiation in all of politics.

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Speaker 1: And for Trump to attack him like.

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Speaker 3: That, that pushed a lot of people the wrong way

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Speaker 3: because it's like, really, you're going to attack Thomas Massey

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Speaker 3: not only politically, but on his personal life, and then

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Speaker 3: you're going to embrace, you know, Lindsey Graham and all

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Speaker 3: of these other people who are explicitly against your so

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Speaker 3: called campaign promises. And you know, we could talk of

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Speaker 3: personal life there too, all day long if we want to.

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Speaker 3: It's like, who is your venom reserve for and I

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Speaker 3: think that really pushed a lot of people the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, if Trump said this about a designated

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Speaker 2: MAGA enemy, no one would have a problem.

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Speaker 9: No one on the right would have any shit with.

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Speaker 9: No one would have And he's done it many times

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Speaker 9: of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, we could go back like

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Speaker 2: the John McCain. God prefer my soldiers who don't get captured.

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Speaker 2: You know, I told Ted Cruz's wife was utly like

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Speaker 2: the fact that people are taking genuine issue with Trump,

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Speaker 2: like crossing a moral line here, that people on the

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Speaker 2: right are taking issue with that is a sign Number one,

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Speaker 2: that they hold Thomas Massey in you know, relatively high

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Speaker 2: esteem and also see him as a principled actor, right.

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Speaker 2: And number two, it's a sign of Trump's weakness again,

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Speaker 2: you know the fact that there's anyone out there saying

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Speaker 2: this was too far and this is disgusting and I

593
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Speaker 2: can't believe it. I mean, how many too far discussing

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Speaker 2: things Trump says and does like all the freaking time. Right,

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Speaker 2: So then it's like, okay, well why was this one

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00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: too far? And you know, ultimately, again, listen, Trump has

597
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Speaker 2: been Tray's been president twice, you almost won, you know,

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Speaker 2: the second time as well. He's been a very intelligent

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Speaker 2: political actor. So maybe we'll look back after all of

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Speaker 2: this and say, you know what, he was right. Thomas

601
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Speaker 2: Massey lost in the primary. Trump was able to crush him.

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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green has been marched down to the party.

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Speaker 2: She's got enough future. That's all still very possible at

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Speaker 2: on the table. But right now, in this moment, I

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Speaker 2: think we're seeing cracks and fishers that we truly never

606
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: seen before. And we're seeing a weakness with Trump with

607
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Speaker 2: his own base that we've also really never seen before.

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Speaker 2: I do want to go back to this Marjorie Taylor

609
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Speaker 2: Green soot because this was the one where I saw

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Speaker 2: the most pushback from the right on things that she's

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Speaker 2: been saying and doing, because she did that big interview

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Speaker 2: with Dana Bash, and Dana asked her, I think quite reasonably,

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Speaker 2: like Okay, well you're upset about Trump calling you a trader.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen you upset about his comments going too

615
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Speaker 2: far before, even though he uses that type of rhetoric

616
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Speaker 2: all the time, So why is it different now that

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Speaker 2: it's you? And leads to a pretty, you know, an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary admission for politician of like, look, I'm sorry, You're right,

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Speaker 2: you know it's a reasonable criticism and I'm sorry. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a listen to a four.

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Speaker 8: You posted on X that President Trump is with his comments,

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Speaker 8: fueling a quote hotbed of threats against you. Obviously, any

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Speaker 8: threats to your safety are completely unacceptable, but we have

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Speaker 8: seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the President

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Speaker 8: at other people. It's not new, and with respect, I

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Speaker 8: haven't heard you speak out about it until it was

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Speaker 8: directed at.

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Speaker 6: You, Dana. I think that's fair criticism, and I would

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Speaker 6: like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in

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Speaker 6: the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country and

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Speaker 6: it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since

632
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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that we I'm only responsible

633
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Speaker 6: for myself and my own words actions, and I am going.

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Speaker 6: I am committed, and I've been working on this a

635
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Speaker 6: lot lately to put down the knives and politics. I

636
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Speaker 6: really just want to see people be kind to one another,

637
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Speaker 6: and we need to figure out a new path forward

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Speaker 6: that is focused on the American people because as Americans, no.

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Speaker 1: Matter what side of the aisle we're on.

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Speaker 6: We have far more in common than we have differences,

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Speaker 6: and we need to be able to respect each other

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Speaker 6: with our disagreements.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and Tiger, I wonder what you make of that,

644
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Speaker 2: because the whole ethos of MAGA is owned the lips

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Speaker 2: like it's never been, like some principled intellectual.

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Speaker 9: Oh, we have these positions and we stick to them. Listen.

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Speaker 2: There's some imaginary version of that that some think tankers

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Speaker 2: have tried to put into place, But the reality is

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Speaker 2: the core binding principle is owned the Libs. Give no

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Speaker 2: quarter to your enemies, give no quarter to anyone who

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Speaker 2: is to the left of you whatsoever. And so this

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Speaker 2: was the thing that I saw. You can tell me

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Speaker 2: if you think differently, but that she got the most pushedback, Yeah,

654
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Speaker 2: from conservatives of basically like, how dare you go on

655
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Speaker 2: CNN in the lions Den and you apologize to them

656
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: and right on the heels of Charlie Kirk's assassination and

657
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Speaker 2: you want to go and she didn't apologize to you.

658
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Speaker 2: There's no accountability here whatsoever. How dare you go in

659
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Speaker 2: and say that you're sorry for participating in toxic politics?

660
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Speaker 2: So I think this is in some ways the riskiest approaches.

661
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Speaker 2: You're going on the view and being very conciliatory, going

662
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Speaker 2: on CNN with Dana Bash and being very conciliatory.

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Speaker 9: Here, I wonder what you make of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating to me because the reason,

665
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Speaker 3: okay for let's explain to the real reason is because

666
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: the post Charlie Kirk unity thing was, yeah, we all disagree,

667
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Speaker 3: but what we're going to do is we're going to

668
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Speaker 3: unite and we're going to get Trump administration to declare

669
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: war on Antifa or whatever, right use NSPM seven. We

670
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Speaker 3: talked about all of that. Well, she kind of had

671
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Speaker 3: the similar take that I did, is I was like, man, like,

672
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: we have a sick culture, we have a sick society.

673
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Speaker 3: It's actually really really shocking to see somebody just assassinated.

674
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Speaker 1: In cold blood over their political views.

675
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Speaker 3: And if we're all going to have to live together,

676
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: then there's just a simple way to get past that.

677
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Speaker 1: You know.

678
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Trump's initial response, you know, I was like, oh my god,

679
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Speaker 3: you know, it's the worst possible type of thing. Pouring

680
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: gasoline on the fire, that's what he does. He's often

681
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: done it to his own political benefit. But I do

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Speaker 3: think I really believe that this is her genuine belief,

683
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Speaker 3: because she mentions the Charlie Kirk assassination, and she also

684
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Speaker 3: look as you said, about owning the Libs. At a

685
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Speaker 3: certain point, though, at what point does it just become

686
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Speaker 3: the central driving thing if you care about anything, if

687
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Speaker 3: you really do care about anything, you can hate liberals.

688
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: I certainly have my moments, But at a certain point,

689
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: if you have children, if you care about housing, if

690
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: you hear about econom if you care about jobs, if

691
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: you care about people's ability to simply exist in the world,

692
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Speaker 3: at what point does that just actually directly obscure all

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Speaker 3: of the things that the administration has done, is doing,

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Speaker 3: or is not addressing in those core issues.

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Speaker 1: That's really where I thought.

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Speaker 3: You know, the big jump point for twenty twenty five

697
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: was is a lot of people really did vote I

698
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Speaker 3: think not only in terms of opposition to Donald Trump,

699
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Speaker 3: but a lot of people didn't come out to vote,

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Speaker 3: you know, the so called swing coalitions and others who

701
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Speaker 3: are largely supportive Trump in twenty twenty four because I

702
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: actually thought he was going to help their life. And

703
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Speaker 3: I do think that we're entering, perhaps in age where

704
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Speaker 3: the material kind of the material outlook of your life,

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Speaker 3: especially if your minage.

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Speaker 1: If you're thirty three years old, I don't think it's good.

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Speaker 1: I think it's bad.

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Speaker 3: I think that if you're gen Z, if you're younger

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Speaker 3: in particular, I don't even I don't, I mean, do

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Speaker 3: any of us truly have a hope of doing better

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Speaker 3: in life than our parents did? That is the actual

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Speaker 3: American dream. People talk about it a lot, and many

713
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: people have been willing to go past that in order

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Speaker 3: to vote for something cultural, you know, twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: as an example, even Trump. I think in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways twenty twenty four, she's making a bet that

717
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: those things are becoming so bad so ever present, that

718
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Speaker 3: she actually wants to try and to focus on that.

719
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Speaker 3: And so I do think, you know, there's a commendation.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason why I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: the Republicans are speaking out against is ultimately that is

722
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Speaker 3: what unites you know, much of MAGA is. Look, there's

723
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Speaker 3: a reason they don't talk a lot about the inconsistencies

724
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: within MAGA. There's a reason that they don't acknowledge the

725
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Speaker 3: Epstein files mentioning Trump. There's a reason they don't talk

726
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Speaker 3: about the corruption, let's say, of the Trump administration, or

727
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: any of the many faults you know from personnel, the

728
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: inconsistent Venezuela. A lot of the stupid and insane stuff

729
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: that they have done currently is because it's about uniting

730
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Speaker 3: in opposition to a different political agenda. And I think

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Speaker 3: that if you start to look at things in more

732
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Speaker 3: material views and also with a lot of the other country,

733
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Speaker 3: it does kind of lead you back to where Marjorie

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Speaker 3: Taylor Green is right now.

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Speaker 1: And I do think.

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Speaker 3: Considering how that view of power has been now exercised

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Speaker 3: by the Trump administration and a lot of people projected,

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Speaker 3: it's all.

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Speaker 1: Not all that politically popular right now.

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Speaker 3: People don't really care about owning anyone if your life

741
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Speaker 3: is not getting better, They.

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Speaker 2: Just don't have I have a burgeoning theory, a little

743
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Speaker 2: a little kernel of a theory that I'll put out

744
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Speaker 2: there and people can tell me what you think about this,

745
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: because honestly, I don't know enough about Facebook world to

746
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Speaker 2: really say for sure. But when we think of someone

747
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: being very online, we think of them largely being like

748
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: super on Twitter, right super on Twitter, and these like

749
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: weird podcasts, realms or whatever, like jd Vance is that

750
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: version of very very online. And we've been talking here

751
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: about increasingly since Elon purchased Twitter, it has sort of

752
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: damned the Republicans in a sense because they believe that

753
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: all their like sadistic, you know, fascist porn nonsense is

754
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: actually is way more popular than it actually is, and

755
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: so they've been totally out over their skis the DHS

756
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: just like Nazi posting on Maine all this kind of crap, right.

757
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green is this is also very online, but

758
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: she comes down of like the Facebook boomer mom world,

759
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: which is still more which is more connected to those

760
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: like material concerns, you know, inflation and oh my god,

761
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: here's the prices at the grocery store. And also is

762
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: going to maybe have more of that sense of you know,

763
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Speaker 2: just sort of discussed at the overall at the political

764
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: system and the nastiness and the viciousness. So it's again

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Speaker 2: this is I'm flirting with this theory. I'm not asserting

766
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: it for sure, but her different orientation here and the

767
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: fact that she's been able to put to pick up

768
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: on some vibrations within the Republican base that other politicians

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Speaker 2: did not pick up on. And be a little bit

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Speaker 2: ahead of the curb. Maybe because she is in touch

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Speaker 2: with a different constituency than most Republican politicians have been

772
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Speaker 2: and that you know, the Jade Vanceys of the world are,

773
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Speaker 2: So that could be part of why she's positioning herself

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00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: in a different way, because the media and the content

775
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: she's consuming and the people that she is sort of

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00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: centering her views on, and you know, using as her

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: unbrumbed or for where the bases are a different group

778
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: than the kind of like elite influencers and podcasters that

779
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Speaker 2: many Republican politicians are much more attuned.

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Speaker 3: Toy Maybe could be online, I could just be being

781
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: in a little bit more in touch, you know, just

782
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: go talk to people, Go ask them what's what's bugging you?

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00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: You know, I talk to a lot of newer parents,

784
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: that's who've mostly been hanging out with. What are people

785
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: complaining about daycare prices?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 3: They're talking about inflation, They're talking about the difficulty of

788
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: juggling things, buying a new house, interest rates.

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Speaker 1: That dominates ninety five percent of the discussion.

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Speaker 3: It's not even really political, but you and I both

791
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 3: know that is political. Whereas you know, if you're online

792
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: or if you're very on Twitter, then a lot of

793
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: it is like, oh, so, so this is how nasty

794
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: of the left, or why we have to crush them

795
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Speaker 3: I do. I've always said I think the Twitter thing

796
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: has been a huge problem for their I think a

797
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: lot of them are huffing their own bullshit. They're basically

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: the mirror image of the Biden administration. They're posting charts

799
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: about how well the economy is doing when every piece

800
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: of consumer sentiment data says that it's going the opposite direction.

801
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: All you have to do if you are just as

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: consistent as you were under the Biden administration at looking

803
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: at fundamentals for why people angry, discontent, upset, which leads

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 3: to the Trump popular vote in twenty twenty four, then

805
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't. All you have to do is stay consistent

806
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: to that to see the same playbook run under Trump.

807
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: In fact, a sign that you're a hack is if

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00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: you're doing the opposite of what you said back in

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00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So you know, maybe she's just saying

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Speaker 3: consistent with that. I have no idea what it is,

811
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: but it is noteworthy. And of course what's most noteworthy

812
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Speaker 3: is this is on the issue of Epstein. Turning now

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00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: to the issue of Jeffrey Epstein and their vote to

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Speaker 3: release the Epstein files. An extraordinary late night truth from

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump saying Republicans now should vote to release them.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it up here on the screen, as I

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00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: said on Friday night, aboard Air Force one, to the

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Speaker 3: fake news media House, Republicans should vote to release the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files because we have nothing to hide. He's not

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Speaker 3: what he said, and we'll show you that audio just

821
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Speaker 3: in a second. But he says it's time to move

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Speaker 3: on from this Democratic hoax perpetuated by the radical left

823
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of

824
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Speaker 3: the Republican Party, including our recent victory on the Democratic shutdown.

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Speaker 3: The Department of Justice has already turned over tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of pages to the public on Epstein. Are looking

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Speaker 3: at various Democratic operatives. Bill Clinton, Read Hoffman, Larry Summers

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Speaker 3: and their relationship the House Oversight Committee have whatever they

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Speaker 3: are legally entitled to.

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Speaker 1: I don't care exclamation.

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Speaker 3: All I do care about is that Republicans are back

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Speaker 3: on point, which is the economy.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: So the whole point is, he just says nobody cared

835
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Speaker 3: about Epstein when he was alive, and if the Democrats

836
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: had anything, they would have released it before a landslide election.

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Speaker 3: Some members of the Republican Party are being used, and

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Speaker 3: we can't let that happen. Let's start talking about the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party's record setting achievements, not fall into the Epstein trap,

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00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: which is actually a curse on the Democrats, not us

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00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: make America great again. So what he's saying is, let's

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00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: vote to release the Epstein files because it only implicates

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Speaker 3: the Democrats. Let's not talk about the Epstein files because

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Speaker 3: if we do, it's going to distract from republic If

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Speaker 3: we do talk about them, it is actually just all

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: about the Democrats anyways.

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Speaker 1: So I am completely absolved.

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Speaker 3: Also, just to be clear, one hundred percent, because people

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Speaker 3: are not making this emphatic. As of literally forty eight

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Speaker 3: hours ago, he was telling everybody, don't vote for the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: His own White House brought Lauren Bobert to the White

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Speaker 3: House Situation Room to be brief by the FBI Director

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Speaker 3: and the Department of Justice, telling her please do not

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00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: sign this discharge petition. He called Nancy Mayce huge lobbying effort.

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Speaker 3: The only reason he's saying it now in giving permission

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Speaker 3: is that it looked like, at the very least fifty

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Speaker 3: and possibly up to one hundred Republicans we're going to

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Speaker 3: vote for the Epstein files release anyways, And so he backtracked. Originally,

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Speaker 3: here's what he said on Air Force one forty eight

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Speaker 3: hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Why was your team encouraging our Congressman Bobert Congresswoman Mace

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Speaker 8: to not perceive lest.

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Speaker 7: We think it's bad to talk about it because it

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Speaker 7: gets away from the subject of how well the Republicans

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Speaker 7: are doing. We have the greatest economy, we have the

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Speaker 7: largest investment ever made in our countryest industry, We have

870
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 7: all of these great things happen. We have very little inflation,

871
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 7: whereas he had record set the biggest inflation in the history.

872
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 5: All of these things are good.

873
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 7: And when you talk about the Epstein hoax, what happens

874
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 7: is you're not talking about how well we've done subjects

875
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 7: the whole purpose behind them.

876
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: They want to waste people's time.

877
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 7: And some of the dumber Republicans like that, mister Prison

878
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 7: on the subjects are we going to see?

879
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: It's mostly Democrats.

880
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: But so there you go that that's what he said.

881
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: So whatever he claims I as I said Republicans should

882
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: vote for it, that's not what he said.

883
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Chris. That's yeah, showed there he got.

884
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: This is this was one I've never seen this before.

885
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: I've never seen him get absolutely destroyed like he had

886
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: to do. This is this is w and Obama level,

887
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: like in the second term, where the base or the

888
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: Republican Party is going to take a vote against the

889
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: White House and the White House just has to eat

890
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: shit and swallow it and pretend that they supported it

891
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: the whole time. I've never seen this in ten years

892
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: of covering Donald Trump.

893
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it truly is a first. They

894
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: were whipping super hard against this thing. They were threatening

895
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 2: Republicans that he would maybe you know, endoorse an opponent

896
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: against them. They were offering carrots, so we'll support you

897
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: in your race if you don't vote for it. I mean,

898
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: they were going all in. And then apparently what happened

899
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: is when they realize we're going to have mass defections here,

900
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: he thought it will appear less weak for him to

901
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: completely flip and now support Oh, of course I want

902
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: you to support releasing the files. I've always wanted that,

903
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: even though we're all like five minutes ago, remember you

904
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: being adamantly opposed on the other side of this. He

905
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: thought that would be a less weak position than watching

906
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: perhaps some one hundred Republicans vote against his explicit wishes. Now,

907
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: the other game that's going on here is you'll recall

908
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: that we could put B three. Let's go and jump

909
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: forward to B three and put this up on the screen.

910
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: He asked Pam Bondi to investigate the Epstein ties to

911
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: various Democrats, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers, there's one other one

912
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: as well. But in any case, is like, look into

913
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: those things in the Epstein files. Not him, of course,

914
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: even though he's mentioned thousands and thousands of times just

915
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: in the emails.

916
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 9: That were released last week. But don't look into that.

917
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: Just look into some of my ideological adversaries. And so,

918
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: what Thomas Massey and others who understand this process are

919
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: saying is that if there's an ongoing investigation, he could

920
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: use that, and his government could use that to say,

921
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: even if this vote goes through the House, and this

922
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: vote goes through the Senate and he signs it, that

923
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: those certain files. Oh, we can't release those because now

924
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: there's an ongoing and active investigation, So that may be

925
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: part of what the game that's going on here as well.

926
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: Not to mention the these files are being held by

927
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: his own government, I don't think anyone has any expectation

928
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: that they're not going to be you know, scrubbed, manipulated

929
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: pieces withheld that are unflattering to him or to his

930
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: ideological allies. So I think he just decided the risk

931
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: was too great on the other side and the political

932
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: damage too great on the other side of continuing to

933
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: appear like he was, you know, super guilty. Obviously from

934
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: his behavior, he looked really really guilty and then extremely

935
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: weak when a significant chunk of your own party, over

936
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: your active wishes, still votes for this thing. And one

937
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: more thing, Soccer here is you got to give Rocana

938
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: tons of credit here.

939
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 9: This is his bill.

940
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: This is Rocana's bill, a Democratic bill. And while Democrats

941
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: early on, you remember back when we interviewed Alyssa Slotkin,

942
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: the line coming from almost all of them was the

943
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: Epstein files are distraction. Sure we'd like to know what's

944
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: in them, but those are a distraction. We need to

945
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: be focused on the real issues affecting the American people,

946
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: like most people felt like you could do both. And

947
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: number two, just from a pure political standpoint, I think

948
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: Rocanna recognized, just like Marjorie Taylor Green did and Thomas

949
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: Massey did, this is a real weak spot for Trump.

950
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: This is a real problem for him, and so we

951
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: need to press on this. We need to be like

952
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: a dog with the bone on this thing and lo

953
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: and behold his insight there and his persistence to push

954
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: this thing and to get ideological allies on the other

955
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: side of the aisle in Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor

956
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: Green and others to stand alongside him. That is that

957
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: is causing maybe the biggest damage, the most extraordinary damage

958
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: that we have seen to Trump and his image with

959
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: his own base that you know, in the whole time

960
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: that he's been on the scene.

961
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, part of it is also just

962
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: the extreme nature of the issue, like this is Epstein,

963
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: This is a disgusting pedophile.

964
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: This is a guy who.

965
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: Was you know, hanging Palin around with the literally the

966
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: like the global elite. This is now a ten year

967
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: a five to six year long thing that's baked in

968
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: I think to a lot of American consciousness, especially for

969
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: newer entrance into the political spectrum. Because let's say you're

970
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: a younger person, you already know that the system is rigged.

971
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: You hate a lot of the elites.

972
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: Then you learn about the Epstein thing, You're like, wow,

973
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: they're actually like depraved discussed they protect their own interest.

974
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: And then you see Trump, who you believed was somebody

975
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: who would speak against the system, who was revolutionary. You

976
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: promise to release those files, come in, be named in

977
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: those files, lobby at guilty, make make it so that

978
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: you know they're not going to be released, to everything

979
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: possibly in your power to try and con the American

980
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: people to say that there's nothing in them exactly, even

981
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: though many of the members of your administration said they

982
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: were in them.

983
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: It's just too much, you know, for people.

984
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: That's why I think this issue is the one on

985
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: which there is such a break. It's also where a

986
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: lot of Republicans they're like, look, man, people can forgive

987
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: for a lot, they can't forgive covering up pedophilia. It's

988
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: just one of those where that transcends or is supposed to,

989
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: all political lines, right, And that's part of why the

990
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: salience of this issue is so important not to mention

991
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: all of the foreign connections, including to Israel, which I

992
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: think is a big reason why they also don't want

993
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: most of the truth to actually come out. It's heartening

994
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: to me to see Republicans who do try and take

995
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: the Trump tack just get ridiculously attacked. Let's put this

996
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: one up here on the screen. This is be four please,

997
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: just to give you a little bit of a taste

998
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: you had Congressman Troy Nails.

999
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: He's a very Trump sick, a fan.

1000
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: He tries to take the Trump line, he gets destroyed

1001
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: in a lot of his replies. He says, I'll be

1002
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: voting no on the Epstein hoax. The Democrats are using

1003
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: the hoax to distract us from the winning of the

1004
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: Trump administration. My message to Republican colleagues, don't let this

1005
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: noise keep us from delivering on the mandate the American

1006
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: people gave us. As you guys can see, he's got

1007
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: over seventeen thousand replies. And look, you know, Trump is

1008
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: not Twitter is not entirely real life. But if you

1009
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: look at it, you know a lot of these are

1010
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: big time Republican reply accounts that are like this is disgusting,

1011
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: A single good reason not to do it. Pedophile protector,

1012
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, even Nancy Mace, other congressman, it says, weird

1013
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: and sketchy, how you guys are acting here. You've got

1014
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: a pack tracker that's all up in there. By the way,

1015
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green has been posting a lot of her

1016
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: A pack tracking, you know, graphics just to show you

1017
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: the a pack tracker who we had on earlier that

1018
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: they say is not going to that, they say, you know,

1019
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: just to show everybody how powerful they are. And now

1020
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: apack is even fundraising off of the interview that we

1021
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: had with a pack tracker to say that those are

1022
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: the radicals that are trying to take them down.

1023
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I just want to show people.

1024
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: I think, you know, this thing with congresswoman or the

1025
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: Democratic Representative Stacy Plaskett, where she was getting texts in

1026
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: the middle of a hearing from Jeffrey Epstein is part

1027
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: of the reason, I think is that a lot of

1028
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Americans actually do understand not just the bipartisan nature of this,

1029
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: but how it really does ensnare all elites and the

1030
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 3: more that Trump, who was a revolution against those elites,

1031
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: appears to just be one of those people, which you

1032
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: could always say maybe he was, and that's been a

1033
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: lot of the critique, but to really hammer that home

1034
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 3: in this story, that is what people find so disgusting,

1035
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: you know, I think about it.

1036
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: And so let's give an example here.

1037
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: Just the fulsome nature of part of the reason why

1038
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: these files need to be released because they implicate so

1039
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: many people, is the show that in a twenty nineteen

1040
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: hearing Michael Cohen, he's testifying that Epstein is texting the

1041
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: Democratic representative from the US Virgin Islands where he owns

1042
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: the island, and who that island has done quite a

1043
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: bit to cover up a lot of what he did

1044
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: while he was there.

1045
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Let's watch the video and let's take a listen.

1046
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 10: Obama was president of the United States, and while we

1047
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 10: were one striving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he

1048
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 10: commented that only black people could live that way. Attorney

1049
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 10: client privilege.

1050
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I will turn it over you.

1051
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 11: As my friend mister Metto has pointed out and misled

1052
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 11: this committee even today, in a written submission that contradicted

1053
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 11: your testimony, you.

1054
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: Have suggested you were going to have that.

1055
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 11: Did you review. Are you going to review it and

1056
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 11: in our next break to correct the record?

1057
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

1058
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 11: Yes, question you helped out the president's campaign or were

1059
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 11: involved in the campaign as a representative, as a spokesman,

1060
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 11: even in your words today, it was your idea for

1061
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 11: the campaign dating back to twenty eleven? Is that accurate?

1062
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 11: Yes or no?

1063
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 4: Yes, mister Weisenberg and other individuals, Miss Rona, who are

1064
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: those individuals? Are they with the Trump organization? Are there

1065
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: are other people that we should be meeting with? So

1066
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer? Uh huh, you

1067
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: got it. Quickly give us as many names as you

1068
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: can because so we can get to them. Yes, man

1069
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: is Miss Roona?

1070
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 10: What is Ronograph? Is the mister Trump's executive assistant?

1071
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: And would she be able to corroborate many of the

1072
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: statements that you've made here?

1073
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 10: Yes, she was. Her office is directly next to his,

1074
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 10: and she's involved in a lot.

1075
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: I mean, how crazy is that, Crystal? You literally have

1076
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: her getting live text messages from Jeffrey Epstein adding questions.

1077
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: She's looking down at her phone using those questions with

1078
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: Michael Cohen, and then he's praising her good work. All

1079
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: of this matters. Let's be one hundred percent clar why

1080
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: does it matter? Put the next one on the screen.

1081
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: Julie Brown has done a great job of covering this.

1082
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: We've covered it here as well. Some of the US

1083
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: Virgin Islands corruption of that has happened with Epstein, As

1084
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: she points out, she has accepted huge amounts of money

1085
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: from Epstein was one of the few people who refuse

1086
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: to return campaign contributions even after it was clear he

1087
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: had committed a lot of the.

1088
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Crimes against girls.

1089
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Speaker 3: So just toget to show you all, and remember that

1090
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: there were all kinds of cover ups going on in

1091
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: the US Virgin Islands, including with prosecutors and others, to

1092
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 3: stop some of the crimes in the estate from being

1093
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: released out into the public. And she is at the

1094
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: center of all of this. So that's the point is

1095
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: this does ensnare everybody? Yeah, it is Snaire's Trump. I

1096
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: don't personally care, you know, whether it's Snare's Trump, Democrat, whoever.

1097
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: I just want the information to come out because I

1098
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: do think it's so important show how depraved and discussing

1099
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: the American elite is not just in their personal conduct,

1100
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: but how they'll do business with anyone, and how that

1101
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: person who is in this depraved you know, universe uses

1102
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: it to his own ends to enrich himself and to

1103
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: act on behalf of multiple foreign governments. I think that's

1104
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: a pretty big story. I think it confirms what a

1105
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: lot of people think, you know, about our system, about

1106
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: our government, about the way things in power actually work.

1107
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: But that's part of why Trump, who's in power, doesn't

1108
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: want it to come out. So you know, you put

1109
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: this stuff together, this is why it all needs to

1110
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: come out. We can't have people like this in congress period,

1111
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: at least that's my standard.

1112
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1113
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Now, in fairness to her, after major pushback, she did

1114
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: decide to return the contributions that had come from Epstein.

1115
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 9: Okay, but you know the yeah.

1116
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if anyone is out there watching a

1117
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: program that only cares about the Epstein connections on one

1118
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: partisan side or the other, like, you need to get

1119
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: a new you need to get a new media habit,

1120
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: because obviously, what Epstein exposes first and foremost is that

1121
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, these partisan differences when you talk about at

1122
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: the elite level, oftentimes they crumble and they operate in

1123
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: very similar manner. But I will say at this point,

1124
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: the most important information to know is about the President

1125
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: of the United States, specifically because of those foreign government

1126
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: entanglements that drop Site alone effectively has been covering, in

1127
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: particular with regard to his connections to Israel. We need

1128
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: to know if the president of the United States is

1129
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: compromised by Israel or by you know, there was a

1130
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: Russian connection too. I'd like to know about that as well,

1131
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: or any other country that may be involved. Does Trump

1132
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: believe that these foreign governments have information on him that

1133
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: he would not like to come out. That is a

1134
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: very active question, and that is very very important and

1135
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 2: central right now given the political power structure. The last

1136
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 2: thing I'll say, just to go back to that Troy

1137
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: Neils or whatever that guy's name is that put up

1138
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: that embarrassing tweet about how he was going to vote

1139
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: against that. What does he do now, because now Trump's

1140
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: turned completely and now he says, no, I want you

1141
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: to vote for the release. So this guy who completely

1142
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: humiliated himself on Trump's behalf, out of his sycophantic nature

1143
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: to bend the name, say no, no, sir, I promise

1144
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: I will do the thing that you want me to

1145
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: do and vote against this release. Now Trump has completely

1146
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: flipped his position. So what's this dude gonna do? I mean,

1147
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: it's just the level of humiliation that is going to

1148
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: come for you if you try to be like a

1149
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: good Trump foot soldier. It's this is the most routine

1150
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: thing we have seen over the course of multiple Trump

1151
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: administrations at this point, like, you will be humiliated, You

1152
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: will be forced to defend things that are completely indefensible.

1153
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: You will be made to like eat your words and

1154
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: just completely cut yourself and look like the lamest, weakest

1155
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: person on the planet.

1156
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 9: So congratulations to that guy. Way to go.

1157
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree.

1158
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: And let's let's end with this new ad that's being

1159
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: released by many of the Epstein survivors. It's being played

1160
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: nationally to try and release the Epstein files and just

1161
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: keep the issue salient.

1162
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. I suffered so much pain, so

1163
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: much pain, so much pain.

1164
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 9: I suffered so much pain.

1165
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old. I was sixteen years old.

1166
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 6: Was seen seventeen, fourteen years old.

1167
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 9: This is me, This was me. This is me when

1168
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 9: I met Jeffrey Epstein.

1169
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 6: This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

1170
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 9: There are about a thousand of us. It's time to

1171
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 9: bring the secrets out of the shadows. It's time to

1172
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 9: shine a light into the darkness.

1173
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: Very powerful as you can see there.

1174
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: You know from the Epstein's brother, I think they're going

1175
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: to keep this a live issue.

1176
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: It's not going away.

1177
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 3: Any attempt by the Trump administration to try and cover

1178
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: it up. Good luck to you, folks, because I don't

1179
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 3: think that it's going to work.