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Speaker 1: That And that's the point, and that's the good point

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Speaker 1: little little passage. And they were filled with filled with

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Speaker 1: great fear and said to one another, who then is

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Speaker 1: this that even the wind and the sea obey him?

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Speaker 1: They were more afraid of the man and the word

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Speaker 1: that he gave that the storm stopped. Let's think about

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Speaker 1: that just for one second, and I'll get to my point.

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Speaker 1: In any other situation, in any other religion or our

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Speaker 1: religious story, there would be a great storm, and then

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Speaker 1: the healer are the prophet, stops the storm and there's

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Speaker 1: a great relief. Not in the story, there's a great

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Speaker 1: storm and the prophet, the priest, the king stops the storm,

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Speaker 1: and the anxiety gets bigger because of the guy in

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Speaker 1: the boat with him, because I just realized, yeah, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: this guy just there was a huge storm. This guy

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Speaker 1: says a word and it stops. And I thought, I

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Speaker 1: was afraid of the storm. What can this guy.

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Speaker 2: Do to me?

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Speaker 3: Some things, some things flash back in their mind. The

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Speaker 3: storm listened to him, and earlier today I did not.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Earlier today I didn't And I should have.

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Speaker 3: If that wind, the wind and the waves and the

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Speaker 3: storm listened to him, why didn't I earlier?

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Speaker 1: So a man read verse thirty six again? Where was he?

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Speaker 3: So? Leaving thirty six, leaving the crowd behind, and they

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Speaker 3: took him along.

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Speaker 1: Justice, I'm sorry, is that right? Thirty eight? Thirty eight, thirty.

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Speaker 2: Eight and thirty eight. Jesus was in the stern, sleeping

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Speaker 2: on a cushion.

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Speaker 1: Where was he?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was asleep.

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Speaker 1: He was in the boat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he was in the boat.

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Speaker 1: He was right there in the boat. Where was he?

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 1: Where was he? With Charlie? Right Where was he?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: He was right there, right there, He was right there.

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Speaker 1: Where was he for us? For Charlie's wife, Erica? Where

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Speaker 1: was he? He was right there? What about those these kids,

472
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Speaker 1: those beautiful kids, where was he? He was right there

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Speaker 1: with them, weeping over sin of this world. If you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get a gift for someone you think has everything,

475
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: how about a special video message from me. It's easy

476
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Speaker 1: to do. Go to cameo dot com slash Granger Smith

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Speaker 1: and you put in the prompt what you want me

478
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Speaker 1: to say. I get that message on my phone. I'll

479
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Speaker 1: say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever personalized message you want

480
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Speaker 1: me to say to whoever you want me to say

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Speaker 1: it to. I send it to you and you give

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Speaker 1: it to them. It's pretty cool. Go to cameo dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Granger Smith.

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Speaker 3: It's easier I think sometimes for us as humans to

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Speaker 3: believe that he wasn't and missed it than it is

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Speaker 3: to believe that he was there and in your perspective,

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Speaker 3: did nothing.

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Speaker 1: You said the keyword your perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't see the full picture.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it really is is you know, is as

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Speaker 3: I've grown, the more I grow in my faith every day,

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Speaker 3: is that man, I really understand that his ways aren't

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Speaker 3: my ways because my ways are not they're not consistent,

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Speaker 3: they're not fruitful. So much of the time, just my

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Speaker 3: ways the way I want things to happen. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: quick now, they're self gratifying, and his ways are not

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Speaker 3: my ways. So the more I can understand that, the

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Speaker 3: more I can more I get that he was there

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Speaker 3: when that happened.

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Speaker 2: Because his ways aren't my ways. My ways would have

501
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Speaker 2: been well.

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Speaker 3: Well, then of course you just you bump the barrel

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Speaker 3: of that gun and it flies off somewhere so that

504
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Speaker 3: doesn't hit anybody, and we get a wake up call, right,

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Speaker 3: you get a Trump wake up call where it just

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Speaker 3: knicks your ear and go, hey, there is an enemy.

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Speaker 3: Didn't get it in today. It didn't get you today,

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Speaker 3: but he could. That would have been me. But I

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Speaker 3: didn't see the big picture and don't see the big picture.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes he does that. Yes, sometimes the absolute did it.

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Speaker 1: I think, Uh, I hate to even say it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: we saw it with Trump. Yeah, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to draw this in any kind of comparison. But

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Speaker 1: but think about James. Count it all joy, my brothers,

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Speaker 1: when when James, even when you meet trials of various kinds,

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Speaker 1: you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.

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Speaker 1: Let steadfastess have its full effect, that you may be perfect, complete,

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Speaker 1: lacking in nothing. We must have trials, we must have it.

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Speaker 2: Start that over again.

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Speaker 1: I was already in Peter, Sorry for you. I was

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Speaker 1: already in Peter. But thankfully it's only just one one

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Speaker 1: letter behind it.

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Speaker 2: Just the very beginning of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I could say it by the top of

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Speaker 1: my head. Count it all joy? Count what count it

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Speaker 1: all joy? Yeah? Count it all joy.

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Speaker 2: There's all again, Yeah, everything, no exceptions.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is what Peter's going to say

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Speaker 1: about this. So there's you know, you and I were

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Speaker 1: talking before you hit record here that we could literally

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Speaker 1: turn every single page of the Bible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we could.

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Speaker 1: Turn every single page of the Bible and find suffering

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Speaker 1: and trials and redemption and joy and overcoming all throughout

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Speaker 1: and sovereignty. Where is God? Peter says it like this,

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Speaker 1: and the end of his first letter, humble yourselves, therefore,

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Speaker 1: under the mighty hand of God, that at the proper

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Speaker 1: time he may exalt you. Casting all there. It is

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Speaker 1: your anxieties on him because cares for you. Be sober minded,

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Speaker 1: be watchful your adversary. The devil prows around like a

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Speaker 1: roaring line, seeking someone to devour. Resist him. Firm in

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Speaker 1: your faith, knowing that the same kinds of sufferings are

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Speaker 1: being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. After you

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Speaker 1: have suffered a little while the God of all grace

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Speaker 1: has called you into his eternal glory in Christ, will

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Speaker 1: himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you because he's there. Literally,

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Speaker 1: the name, the name that we have of Christ, Emmanuel

548
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Speaker 1: is God with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the beginning, John starts his gospel with this beautiful

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Speaker 1: christology of in the beginning was the Word, and the

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Speaker 1: word was with God, and the word was God. He

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Speaker 1: was in the beginning with God. And then down to

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Speaker 1: verse fourteen, and the word became flesh and dwelt among

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Speaker 1: us literally literally means tabernacled or he made a tent.

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Speaker 1: He's going to stay in a tent with us, in

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Speaker 1: our camp. God of the universe is going to come

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Speaker 1: stay with us, not on some elite mountaintop but right

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Speaker 1: here in our camp, he is with us. Why well,

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Speaker 1: part of it is to experience our sufferings with us.

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Speaker 1: What a savior we have in Jesus that wants to

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Speaker 1: share in our sufferings with us and us in his

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Speaker 1: because ultimately we share in his sufferings and we're saved

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Speaker 1: that way. It's the death throw he comes, he says, Anthony,

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Speaker 1: He's mine. I love him. Take me. I want to

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Speaker 1: share death throw with him. I want to go to

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Speaker 1: death row and I want I want to stand in

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Speaker 1: his place. Take me, take my life, kill me. I

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Speaker 1: want to stand in his place and share in his

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Speaker 1: sufferings so that he could be free. What kind of

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Speaker 1: God's story is this? It's the only true God story?

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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where are we?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I told you we were going to start

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and I was going to be all over

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Speaker 1: the map if I wasn't careful. But I think we've

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Speaker 1: been We have walked this path of the Christian response

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Speaker 1: to this ordeal. I think we've walked that pretty well.

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Speaker 1: We could do that again, but what where you know? Okay,

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Speaker 1: before we get into another we could get into another

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Speaker 1: rabbit hole, and I'm happy to do that. But let's

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Speaker 1: let me finish a thought on where was he, just

584
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Speaker 1: for the person's asking this question. Revelation eleven, verse fifteen.

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Speaker 1: This is John getting a revelation. Then the seventh Angel

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Speaker 1: blew as trumpet, and there was loud There were loud

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Speaker 1: voices in heaven saying the kingdom of the world has

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Speaker 1: become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,

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Speaker 1: and he shall reign forever and ever. And the twenty

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Speaker 1: four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell

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Speaker 1: in the and worship God, saying, we give thanks to you, Lord,

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Speaker 1: God Almighty, who is and who was? For you have

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Speaker 1: taken your great power and begun to reign. The nation's raged.

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Speaker 1: But your wrath came in the time for the dead

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Speaker 1: to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets

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Speaker 1: and saints, for those for who fear your name, both

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Speaker 1: small and great. It just goes on and on, And

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Speaker 1: who where is he? He's on the throne. But here's

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Speaker 1: another image of where he is. He's on the throne.

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Speaker 1: You can't answer me that question without he's on the

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Speaker 1: throne reigning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he wasn't missing that day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't missing. He didn't call him sick that day.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 3: I think there are there are some also. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: I think if you just took the total number of

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Speaker 3: social media posts from last Wednesday to today, it is

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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly has to do with this incident and with Charlie.

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Speaker 3: And you know, on threads, which is somewhat like x

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Speaker 3: or Twitter. I like how it classify stuff a little

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Speaker 3: bit better topically. Hashtags do it or used to do

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Speaker 3: it on Twitter. It maybe still does, but there's actual

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Speaker 3: topics on threads. And I spent a little time on

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Speaker 3: social media just because I you know, of course life,

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Speaker 3: I'm a human in twenty twenty five, and you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you just find yourself swiping. Not that it's always good,

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Speaker 3: but I found some what people are talking about with this,

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Speaker 3: and I think there are a few things that I

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Speaker 3: would I think have been good things that I think

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Speaker 3: that we could answer or take a hold the Bible

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Speaker 3: up to it and look, give that lens, the biblical lens.

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Speaker 2: On some of these.

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Speaker 3: I won't even say who some of these people are,

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Speaker 3: because to be honest, it doesn't even matter. But I

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Speaker 3: thought this one was particularly good. It says it's an

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Speaker 3: unpopular opinion. But if you hate Charlie Kirk, and you

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Speaker 3: see a lot of people saying, hey, if you don't

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Speaker 3: agree with this, or if you do or that, just

629
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Speaker 3: unfollow me.

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Speaker 2: Be gone.

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Speaker 3: I want you out of my life. That type of stuff, right,

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Speaker 3: unpopular opinion. If you hate Charlie Kirk, you don't have

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Speaker 3: to unfollow me. You can if you want to. But

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Speaker 3: let's talk first. Let's have a conversation. Let's dialogue, because

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Speaker 3: that is how we learn and how we move forward.

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Speaker 3: That was I thought, And this is what you get

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Speaker 3: on threads, I think.

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Speaker 2: A little more than Twitter. You get.

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Speaker 3: You get some sensible conversation. But then there's some questions,

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Speaker 3: and there's this one. I found particularly disturbing because I

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Speaker 3: think that and I'll tell you why at the end.

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Speaker 3: But it's never been easier. A lot of people went

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Speaker 3: to church on Sunday after probably so a lot. I

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Speaker 3: saw a lot of preachers that I that I follow

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Speaker 3: on I just follow socially that said they had never

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Speaker 3: had more people in their church than this way. People

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Speaker 3: sitting on stairs going up to the balcony because they

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Speaker 3: ran out of seats everywhere. It's never been easier to

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Speaker 3: find a local church. Step one. Search churches near me

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Speaker 3: on Google Maps. Step two, pick one that looks promising.

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Speaker 3: Step three. Check them out on YouTube and watch their

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Speaker 3: latest service.

653
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Speaker 2: Step four. If it seems like a good fit, show up.

654
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Speaker 2: Some people put.

655
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Speaker 3: More thought in what they're having on a Thursday night

656
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Speaker 3: for dinner than this guy just explained of how to

657
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Speaker 3: find a church. We've had extensive conversations on how to

658
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Speaker 3: find a productive, good church, healthy church. It is a

659
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Speaker 3: little more involved than going to yelp.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

661
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Speaker 2: I told you I wasn't gonna say any money.

662
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just going to leave them all black, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a this is so there's threads.

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Speaker 3: Which part I don't like is that it incorporates people

665
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Speaker 3: you follow and other people that you might.

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Speaker 2: Be interested in.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't follow this guy. Yeah, we do have.

668
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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what if if Cayden could do

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Speaker 3: this put a card at the top of this episode

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Speaker 3: in this spot right here is the episode where we

671
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Speaker 3: talked about healthy churches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did like an hour of just going down

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Speaker 1: the list of what is a healthy church? Yeah, yeah,

674
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Speaker 1: that's so important to know.

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Speaker 3: In thirty two years, I've never opened a Bible that

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Speaker 3: changed on September tenth, twenty twenty twenty five. If anyone

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Speaker 3: has some good readings or studies, send them my way.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Actually, like that one, that one gets you a little

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Speaker 1: choked up.

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Speaker 3: Just a little bit, because we've talked about that too,

682
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Speaker 3: how to read your Bible, Cayden, you know what to

683
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Speaker 3: do if you can put that up there to think

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Speaker 3: that up at the top if you're watching, like if

685
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Speaker 3: you're watching on TV that those are hard to find,

686
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Speaker 3: but you can.

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Speaker 2: We'll put in the description too.

688
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Speaker 3: But we've done another episode of just how to read

689
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Speaker 3: your Bible and how to I mean I think there's

690
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Speaker 3: probably been three or four episodes about that.

691
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Speaker 2: Check those out.

692
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Speaker 1: The one with David Platt's a good one, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And he even has a book called how

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Speaker 3: to Read Your Bible, to read your Yeah, and it's

695
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Speaker 3: about this big yeah, and it's really good. You should

696
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Speaker 3: grab that. But those that's more productive than going on

697
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Speaker 3: social media. And I love that they came on here

698
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Speaker 3: and started asking that question. But I thought that was

699
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Speaker 3: I thought that was really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah, you have more of that.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's ok. Those the ones that I thought

702
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Speaker 2: were really good, that that I.

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Speaker 1: I got, I too got really innudated these these past

704
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Speaker 1: several days I've had. There was a time I was

705
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Speaker 1: actually at Lincoln's flag football practice. I got I tell

706
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Speaker 1: you this. I got four messages in five minutes, all

707
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Speaker 1: of them text messages in five minutes about the same

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Speaker 1: thing I was. I got one, I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we go. I got two. I was like that's

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Speaker 1: in three. I was like, what in the world? And

711
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Speaker 1: by four I was like, all right, the Lord is

712
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Speaker 1: the Lord must be doing this all over the world

713
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Speaker 1: right now. But the questions were like things like I

714
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Speaker 1: got your number from a friend or like hey, we

715
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Speaker 1: haven't talked, I know, even heard from me in ten years,

716
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Speaker 1: you know, all these just like you know, that was

717
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Speaker 1: the introduction, and it was like, how do I know

718
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Speaker 1: my Bible better? How do I mature as a Christian?

719
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Speaker 1: And those are actually interesting ones because the ones about maturity,

720
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Speaker 1: when they especially use the word maturity like I want

721
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Speaker 1: to know more I'm a Christian, but I want to

722
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Speaker 1: be better at knowing what it means to be a Christian.

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Speaker 1: Is there like a online course or like a you know,

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Speaker 1: like a training seminar or like something. And what's crazy

725
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Speaker 1: is that the answer to that is so much easier

726
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Speaker 1: than anyone knows. But but it's also very revealing. I'll explain.

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Speaker 1: The answer has always been the church. The church is

728
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Speaker 1: where Christians grow, That's where they learn about their Bible.

729
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Speaker 1: It's where that's where they grow in their faith and

730
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Speaker 1: sharpen their spiritual gifts. It's always been that way. But

731
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Speaker 1: when you ask me that, you're also revealing, Oh, you're

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Speaker 1: in an unhealthy church. There are two There are distinctions

733
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Speaker 1: we make about churches. One is there's a false church

734
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Speaker 1: and there's a true church. False church. We don't go there.

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Speaker 1: We we you know, we're going to talk about the

736
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Speaker 1: Jovah's witnesses and and ld s and we're going to

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the the churches that deny that

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Speaker 1: either the deity of Christ or the sufficiency of the Gospel,

739
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Speaker 1: or the the the Unitarian God where all roads lead

740
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Speaker 1: to Him, all roads lead to there is no hell.

741
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Speaker 1: There's like when certain doctrines are stripped, we go false church.

742
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Speaker 1: This is false teaching, false prophets, different topic, different that's

743
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Speaker 1: a different podcast episode. But of the true churches, there

744
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: is an unhealthy true church and a healthy true church.

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Speaker 1: The definition that the the unity of the true Church,

746
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Speaker 1: of all of the true church, would be that they

747
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Speaker 1: preach the substitutionary gospel, the salvation by faith alone gospel.

748
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Speaker 1: You're saved by faith, you know, as Paul would say,

749
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Speaker 1: by grace. You've been saved through faith. This is not

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Speaker 1: your own doing. It's the gift of God now, the

751
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Speaker 1: result of work, so that no man may boast you're

752
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: saved by this story I've just told you about death.

753
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Row Christ comes and says, take me instead, exchange me.

754
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Speaker 1: By faith, you will be forgiven and reconciled with a

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Speaker 1: God that you have made an enemy. You have separated

756
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Speaker 1: yourselves through your sin. He his wrath is upon you,

757
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Speaker 1: and then you're covered by Christ. That's the gospel. Churches

758
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Speaker 1: that teach that, or there's unhealthy churches and there's healthy

759
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Speaker 1: churches another that's another topic for another episode. We've in fact,

760
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Speaker 1: we've covered all these things before. But but what I'm

761
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Speaker 1: trying to say, is it since the beginning of the

762
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Speaker 1: New Testament, or excuse me, since the beginning of the

763
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Speaker 1: the first century Church, we've understood that the church is

764
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Speaker 1: a gathering of believers. It's a gathering of Christians who

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Speaker 1: come together under the preaching of the Word, and they're

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Speaker 1: given they're given an understanding of the Word that's applied

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Speaker 1: to the lives. They are using their spiritual gifts for

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Speaker 1: each other and through each other and to each other,

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Speaker 1: loving each other, sharing in the Lord's Supper, baptism and

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Speaker 1: distribution of of those that are in need. Okay, it's

771
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Speaker 1: always been what it is. And then so you've heard

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Speaker 1: the phrase gather and scatter, So you gather, you're built

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Speaker 1: up in the church, and then you scatter into the

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Speaker 1: communities and into the neighborhoods, and you evangelize and you

775
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: bring people you know when you can to church or

776
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Speaker 1: you tell you tell them the gospel. And when they

777
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Speaker 1: come to church, the unbelievers, they see the love of

778
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Speaker 1: the Christians and the unity, the love and the and

779
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Speaker 1: that that they have. By the way, I'm talking all denominations,

780
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Speaker 1: there's a kind of a misconception that you like all

781
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Speaker 1: my LDS friends, that I love my elder s friends.

782
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: We have discussions every day, no, no, every other day.

783
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Speaker 1: I mean we just got things all the time, Me

784
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: and my olds friends. And then a lot of times

785
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: they come right up here in this room, but they

786
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: can they kind of think, like we all disagree. All

787
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: the denominations have split, we don't we all agree on

788
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: the Gospel. And when when non believers come in, they

789
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Speaker 1: see the love we have for each other, our love

790
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Speaker 1: for the Gospel, our unity, and the Gospel that is

791
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Speaker 1: our witness. What's happened, though, is that over the last

792
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Speaker 1: several decades that the idea of the church has flipped

793
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Speaker 1: upside down to where now it's a revival. The church

794
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: is a place where everyone comes to hear the Gospel

795
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Speaker 1: and be saved. Okay, that sounds like such a great idea,

796
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Speaker 1: but that's that's not a church. That is that's a

797
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Speaker 1: revival tint. That's an evangelism crusade, you know, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's a football stadium. Yeah, that's a go you go

799
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: out and preach the gospel. It's Billy Graham. But that's

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Speaker 1: not church. Because if you're if you're using your Sunday

801
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Speaker 1: gathering to try to bring people in and say you're

802
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: welcome here in your home and we love you here,

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00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: and you know, come here the good news, all of

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00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: that is true. But if that's the focus what happened

805
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: to the Christians. They're not maturing. They're they're eating cinnamon

806
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: toast crunch instead of steak and eggs. You know, they're

807
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: they're they're not being nourished, they're eating milk, and they're

808
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: never going to grow. And so when all the people

809
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: this week have come to me and said, I want

810
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Speaker 1: to mature in the faith, where do I do that?

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Speaker 1: It's like the church, but this is a failure of

812
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: unhealthy churches that haven't fed their flock meat. They have

813
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: fed the milk every Sunday. And people, these very people

814
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to. But I love my church. Why because

815
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Speaker 1: I love the people. Of course you do and I do.

816
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Speaker 1: Two But you have to know what how do we

817
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Speaker 1: define church? What is it? Because if it's only just

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Speaker 1: a gathering of people we love, then we're not growing.

819
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Speaker 1: And when we need the Bible and we need to

820
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Speaker 1: activate and we need to grow, we have nothing. We

821
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: realize our faith was paper thin all along because Sunday

822
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: after Sunday we've just been just given fruit loops.

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Speaker 2: Well, and there's one more point that you remind me.

824
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Speaker 2: There is one.

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Speaker 3: I didn't actually save it, but there's one I've seen

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Speaker 3: several Times that said, if your church did not address

827
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Speaker 3: what happened to Charlie Kirk this weekend, you need to

828
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Speaker 3: find a new church. I disagree with that. If your

829
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Speaker 3: church did not share the gospel, if he didn't, that's

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Speaker 3: what you need to be focused on at whether Charlie, Yes,

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Speaker 3: of course I think that it should.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would imagine.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the congregations hurting this past weekend, and

834
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Speaker 3: we're the weekend before, we're hurting, right after it happened.

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Speaker 2: Should you address that? Absolutely? You should. Should it be

836
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Speaker 2: your message?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that my church has ever been about

838
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: any kind of political leader, no ever, And if it was,

839
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Speaker 3: that is a sign you're not in a healthy church.

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Speaker 2: If that's the main focus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're talking that brings up a good point

842
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: because if the message should in a healthy church, the

843
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: message every Sunday, Yeah, should be whatever message the author

844
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Speaker 1: of that particular passage that you're studying wanted to give. Right,

845
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: whatever your point is should be the point that that

846
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Speaker 1: Paul is making in Second Corinthians, Sir Peter is making

847
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Speaker 1: in his first letter, or or Mark is making when

848
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Speaker 1: he when he wrote Mark in his story in chapter

849
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Speaker 1: for about the windstorm. We preach the point of the text,

850
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: not the world.

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00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the current.

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00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: But did your church bring it up?

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Speaker 3: Though it brought up obviously a hurt and in the

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Speaker 3: confession time, so we had kind of have the time

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Speaker 3: right before. So typically do confession. That's where you it's

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00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: solo confession. This is not a I go to a

857
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: Baptist church, but it's a it's not a it's not

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Speaker 3: you go to a confessional. So I don't want to

859
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Speaker 3: think it's like that. It is a time for you

860
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Speaker 3: to reflect. What do I need to lay at the

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Speaker 3: feet of the cross before I come in here and

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Speaker 3: and ask the Lord to bless me with his word?

863
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Speaker 3: What do I need to reflect on in my life

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Speaker 3: from this week? And go, yeah, I know you were

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Speaker 3: dealing with me on that. Let's let's let's pray about

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Speaker 3: that right now.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of that time.

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Speaker 3: And that's where normally it's it's someone from the congregation

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Speaker 3: that gets up and does a prayer there. This week

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Speaker 3: it was our pastor and he said, I just want

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Speaker 3: to take this time right now for us to all

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Speaker 3: to one reflect not only on our lives, but what

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Speaker 3: our week has been since this past Wednesday and what

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Speaker 3: that is. You know, we live in a very divisive,

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Speaker 3: divisive world, and we can let anyone, even believers, can

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Speaker 3: be led to believe that we are that we are alone,

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Speaker 3: and now is the time that we need to change

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Speaker 3: our way of life. And in the fact of you know,

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Speaker 3: prayings not enough, we got to do more. That's never

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Speaker 3: what the word said. The word never said that. Do

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Speaker 3: you could you be more, get involved, more and more action?

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Speaker 3: Maybe could you have more conversations with people like let's

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Speaker 3: take just an example of what Charlie did do is

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Speaker 3: that you don't find this with many people in general,

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Speaker 3: but you definitely don't find it on both sides of

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Speaker 3: the aisle of there being two microphones in those settings,

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Speaker 3: one for him and one for anybody that wanted to

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Speaker 3: disagree with him. In fact, if you disagree, you moved

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Speaker 3: to the front of the line. Well, some of that

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Speaker 3: for clickbait, sure, because the argument got more traction than

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Speaker 3: the than the agreement, right, but it also was the

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Speaker 3: time to educate and a time to have conversation and

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Speaker 3: to find time to find Hey, let's talk through your

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Speaker 3: side and my side, and let's find some common ground here.

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Speaker 1: You're not talking about your church anymore.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm sorry, yes, yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I did get off of that, but it was it

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Speaker 3: was what I would saying, is that that that could

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Speaker 3: lead you know, if you if you don't recenter on

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Speaker 3: what we're here this morning for, you can go that

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Speaker 3: direction and move off into other you know, this could

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Speaker 3: this could be the spiral out of out of control.

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Speaker 1: So we have two places. The Word of exhortation we

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Speaker 1: talk about we can talk about events we can and

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Speaker 1: our pastoral prayer, yeah, which I did this past Sunday,

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Speaker 1: so we could use both of those. The word of

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Speaker 1: exhortation is also a place we could do baptism, and

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Speaker 1: what we did we flipped that on this past Sunday

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Speaker 1: and turn it into a lament, So we have a

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Speaker 1: prayer of lament and that enabled this story to fill that.

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Speaker 1: But then for the sermon, we have to go right

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Speaker 1: back into where we were, which this week was John nine.

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Speaker 1: So Marshall preached John nine at amais to you know,

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Speaker 1: picking up where we left off last week.

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Speaker 2: We're in the sermon on the Mount. That's what we did.

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Speaker 1: So we have to be fed, we have to grow.

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Speaker 1: We can't just be tossed around with every current event headline,

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Speaker 1: and that becomes the sermon, and that becomes the message.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I disagree with that message you wrote.

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Speaker 1: How far How long have we been doing this?

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Speaker 2: Almost one hour?

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Speaker 1: Okay if there's other things, but we should do another

923
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Speaker 1: podcast because because we need to get into the activation

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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk as well. I want to. I do

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Speaker 1: want to get in on it. Don't think we have

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Speaker 1: time today?

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean I think this is it's going

928
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Speaker 3: to be at the top of people's searches for a while,

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Speaker 3: this in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and and really the what what I want

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Speaker 1: to get at is that is that the our adversary

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Speaker 1: is the devil. We read that earlier and Peter Paul

933
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Speaker 1: says that we do not wrest wrestle against flesh and blood.

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Speaker 1: So it's not people. It's not people we're hating. It's

935
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Speaker 1: not people that are that that we're here to resist.

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Speaker 1: You know that we don't see any anything like that

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Speaker 1: in the New Testament. Where are you going?

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Speaker 3: We were doing Sermon on the Mount, I said the

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Speaker 3: week before all of this. Jesus teaches about retaliation and

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Speaker 3: about loving enemies, right before it all. That's very clear,

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Speaker 3: which we can get into the.

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Speaker 1: Whole new episode. We should we should unpact that. Let

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Speaker 1: me say one more thing, because I always get I

944
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Speaker 1: always know if LDS comes up. The olva's witnesses don't

945
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Speaker 1: listen that much, but LDS a lot of LDS, and

946
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Speaker 1: so they get really mad when I say things like that.

947
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Speaker 1: And I just want to say that, if you're listening

948
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Speaker 1: right now, you're LDS. I love you. You're you are

949
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: such a big part of my ministry. You're on my heart.

950
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Speaker 1: You know that I have thoroughly gone through the Book

951
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: of Mormon with your brothers and sisters and a lot

952
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: of it. Right here we have a man nose. You

953
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: get a test. I have many books and Mormons. I

954
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Speaker 1: have them on here.

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Speaker 2: Let us know in comments, that's why you say that.

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Speaker 1: Highlighted written up notes taking you'd be because those are

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Speaker 1: the ones that come down when the elders of our

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Speaker 1: you know, our local elders LDS elders come over and

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Speaker 1: sit with us. And so there's been years of this

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: dialogue and it's always just great. So if anyone hates

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Speaker 1: me because of me saying that, or to say you're

962
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Speaker 1: a false church. Understand that when the elders are here,

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Speaker 1: we understand. I call you a false church and you

964
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Speaker 1: call me a false church. So your first prophet, Joseph

965
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Smith definitely said that I am a false teacher in

966
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Speaker 1: my church is a false church damned to hell. So

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Speaker 1: we have mutual understanding with our our language here. So

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Speaker 1: this is not a hate speech or it's not because

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Speaker 1: I don't understand you you guys that this is just

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Speaker 1: we're speaking from an evangelical, biblical uh viewpoint on on

971
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Speaker 1: this podcast. So did I clear that up? Do you

972
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Speaker 1: think I did? Okay? I could hear the hate coming

973
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Speaker 1: my way. But and that's okay because I do love you.

974
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Speaker 1: But next episode, I don't know where we'll go, but

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Speaker 1: this is this is good stuff. We'll continue where So, man,

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Speaker 1: where was God with Charlie Kirk at the at his assassination?

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Speaker 1: Where was he?

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Speaker 2: He was there?

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Speaker 1: He was there?

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Speaker 2: Amen, and on the throne and on the throne. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 4: See you guys, Ye, thank you so much for hanging

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Speaker 4: out with me on this episode of.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. Thanks again for being here.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Yee