WEBVTT - Part One:  How L. Ron Hubbard Lied His Way to Godhood

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<v Speaker 1>Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once again

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know about the very worst people in all

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Now, this is a show where I read

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<v Speaker 1>a tale about a terrible person to a guest who

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<v Speaker 1>is coming in cold, or as cold as you can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly come into on a subject like. My guest today

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<v Speaker 1>is Caitlyn Durante of The Bechtel Cast, comedian and uh

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<v Speaker 1>fan of l Ron Hubbard. Love him love some l

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<v Speaker 1>r H. Yeah, yeah, what what do you know about

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Hubbard? I know that he was a sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>like pulpy writer in his early days, and that he's

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of the Church of Scientology. Yeah. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>Going Clear and that's pretty much all I know. Okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a living monument to how much a tall

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<v Speaker 1>white man can achieve in this world by just lying

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<v Speaker 1>without pause or cessation for seventy straight years. That's his

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. He just never stopped lying from the time

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<v Speaker 1>he was about four years old until the day he died.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh he died worth like six million dollars, so

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<v Speaker 1>it worked out pretty well. I had a weird time

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<v Speaker 1>researching this because I wanted to hate him, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to hate him. Um, he's a piece of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a monster. He does terrible things, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>also he's not just a terrible guy. Like with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of terrible people today, it'll be like some rich

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<v Speaker 1>asshole who like does something that's terrible to the environment

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<v Speaker 1>or like you know, is abusive to their employers or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>L Ron Hubbard did his terrible things while shooting for

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. That's ambitious, and you gotta admire him for that.

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<v Speaker 1>He might be the most ambitious con artist in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the running, all right. So. Lafayette Ron Hubbard

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<v Speaker 1>was born on March thirteenth, nineteen eleven, and Tilda, Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>His family moved there shortly thereafter to Helena, Montana. His

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather was moderately successful, but not wealthy by any means.

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<v Speaker 1>He owned a decent house, some stables, and a guitar

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<v Speaker 1>with a black man's head carved on to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of it. That's a detail you'll run into a number

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<v Speaker 1>of times about his early life. Yeah, yeah, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>it was racist, but I don't know. Um. Later Hubbard

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<v Speaker 1>would claim his grandfather owned a massive ranch a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>the size of Montana, uh, and that he spent his

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<v Speaker 1>early childhood having adventures there and becoming a blood brother

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<v Speaker 1>of the Blackfoot Indian tribe. That's good. Yeah, he's already appropriating,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other cultures. Was born appropriating other cultures? On

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<v Speaker 1>the website what is Scientology, which is a scientology website,

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<v Speaker 1>it says that his particular friend among the Blackfoot tribe

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<v Speaker 1>was an elderly medicine man commonly known as Old Tom quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Establishing a unique friendship with the normally taciturn Indian, Ron

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<v Speaker 1>was soon initiated into the various secrets of the tribe,

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<v Speaker 1>their legends, customs, and methods of survival in a harsh environment.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of six, he became a blood brother

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<v Speaker 1>of the Blackfeet, an honor bestowed on few white men.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is when he six. This is what he claims.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what he claims. This is not There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence that six year old Ron Hubbard had

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<v Speaker 1>adventures with Indians and became their blood brother. The Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Times reporter on this in nineteen UH they talked

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<v Speaker 1>to a historian named Hugh Dempsey, who was an expert

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<v Speaker 1>on the Blackfoot tribe and whose wife is a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Blackfoot tribe. Uh, And he basically said blood

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<v Speaker 1>brothers aren't even a thing the tribe has. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a Hollywood idea that was invented for Western movies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it seems like all of l Ron Hubbard's ideas

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<v Speaker 1>about this tribe that he claimed membership then came from

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<v Speaker 1>like movies he watched as a kid, which is yeah, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love how influential movies are and how they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't do anything to funk up our society. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's amazing how little fact checking people do if

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<v Speaker 1>you claims alive from far back enough like that, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Church of Scientology still continues this line to this

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<v Speaker 1>day that l Ron Hubbard was a brother of the

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<v Speaker 1>Blackfoot tribe. And he even claimed later that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of his philosophical ideas came from like Indian rituals and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, as far as we know, he never

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<v Speaker 1>met a single member of the Blackfoot tribe. Right, So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I did want to give sort of a source on

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<v Speaker 1>el Ron Hubbard's early life from a sympathetic side. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the research I did on this was by people

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<v Speaker 1>who were very critical of him, so I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to know kind of how the Church of Scientology talks

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<v Speaker 1>about his upbringing. And I found el Ron Hubbard dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>which claimed to have biographical information on him, but actually

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<v Speaker 1>was just trying to sell me a series of books

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<v Speaker 1>on el Ron Hubbard because it was owned by the

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<v Speaker 1>Church of Scientology. But there was a trailer for the

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<v Speaker 1>book series about el Ron Hubbard called el Ron Hubbard

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<v Speaker 1>a Profile, and I want to play you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of that because it gives you an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the cliffs notes of his life as portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>by the Church of Scientology. He earned a hollowed place

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<v Speaker 1>in blackfeet more, became the nation's youngest eagle scout at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirteen, and studied with the last in

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<v Speaker 1>a line of legendary mystics from the court of Kubla Khan.

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<v Speaker 1>Barn stormed into aviation history, ascended to the heights of

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<v Speaker 1>Greatness in a now fabled kingdom of the Pulse, and

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<v Speaker 1>charted unknown realms beneath a feigned explorers Club flag retrace

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<v Speaker 1>his journey to the founding of Dianetics and scientolic and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate Almost none of that's true. He was an explorer

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<v Speaker 1>and founded uncharted. He was there was a group called

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<v Speaker 1>the Explorers Club, which was like a big thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, and he did basically connive his way into

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<v Speaker 1>being a member there, and he did carry out a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of expeditions that didn't really find much um but

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<v Speaker 1>he piloted around in a boat until his boat broke

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<v Speaker 1>down and he had a flag with him, so that

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<v Speaker 1>that that's kind of what exclaiming there. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>my main sources for this episode was a book called

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<v Speaker 1>Bare Faced Messiah, which is a really comprehensive biography of

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<v Speaker 1>Aron Hubbard by Russell Miller, probably the first anyone ever wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>and he interviewed a lot of Aron Hubbard's relatives, people

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<v Speaker 1>who saw him as he was growing up and stuff. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And none of the people who were with him when

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<v Speaker 1>he was a baby, when he was six, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was like a young child, had any recolle action of

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<v Speaker 1>any of the stuff that he claimed about. His aunt Marnie,

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<v Speaker 1>who grew up with him, described him as the baby

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<v Speaker 1>of the family, adored and coddled by everybody. He was

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<v Speaker 1>very much the love child of the whole family. He

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<v Speaker 1>was adored by everyone. I could still see that mop

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<v Speaker 1>of red hair running around. So he was like the

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<v Speaker 1>little baby of the family. But he grew up more

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<v Speaker 1>or less in a house in a small town as

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<v Speaker 1>the beloved youngest child of a very close knit family.

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<v Speaker 1>No adventures in his early childhood that there's any evidence of, um,

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<v Speaker 1>But he gotta love that imagination on him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a thin line between imagination and just lying. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual information shows that Hubbard enrolled in kindergarten at

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<v Speaker 1>age six, rather than becoming a Blackfoot brother. I suppose. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his local nickname was Brick because of his red hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess because bricks are red and nineteen fifteen was

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<v Speaker 1>not a good time for nicknames. So Ryan Johnson's film

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<v Speaker 1>Brick is actually based on h I wish I knew

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<v Speaker 1>something about. Yeah, I'm assuming that's a very good joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it. Oh, it's not a good joke,

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<v Speaker 1>A joke. It's a pretty good movie. Yeah, okay, okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>l Ron Hubbard's Young Life was not a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>movie because he just he pretty much went to kindergarten. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He later claimed that while he was in school, he

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<v Speaker 1>would protect other kids from the bullies, terrorizing his classmates

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<v Speaker 1>using the lumberjack fighting skills he learned from his grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>His grandfather was not a lumberjack, owned a small oil company,

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<v Speaker 1>but wasn't a lumberjack. Um. One of Ron's closest childhood friends,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Richardson, stated he never protected nobody. It was all bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Hubbard was the greatest con honors who ever lived,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more or less true. Ron moved to Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>after his dad joined the Navy when he was like

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years old. Uh, he did join the Boy Scouts

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<v Speaker 1>at this point and became an Eagle Scout at like

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<v Speaker 1>age thirteen, but there's no true. That is true. That

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<v Speaker 1>is true, But there's no evidence that he was the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest Eagle Scout ever because back then the Boy Scouts

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<v Speaker 1>did not make a note of what age people were

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<v Speaker 1>when they became Eagle Scouts. Bad bookkeeping, bad book keeping out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm guessing Ron knew that, which is why he

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<v Speaker 1>made the lie. Yeah, but he was good at being

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<v Speaker 1>a boy scout, I guess not hard Well, he's already

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<v Speaker 1>an explorer and a blood brother of a tribe. All

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<v Speaker 1>that time spent with the Blackfoot really prepared him for

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<v Speaker 1>his merit badges, uh in whittling and bald face lies.

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<v Speaker 1>During his teenage years. His dad was in the navy,

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<v Speaker 1>so during his teenage years Ron visited him twice for

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<v Speaker 1>like a month or two each time, so he did

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<v Speaker 1>get to spend some time in the Far East. It

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<v Speaker 1>was mostly on military basis with his parents. The myth factory,

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<v Speaker 1>of course that he created later spun this into a

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<v Speaker 1>series of exotic Eastern adventures where he said you heard

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<v Speaker 1>that I was trained in the court of Kubla Khan

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<v Speaker 1>by to bet mystics. He was on vacation with his

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<v Speaker 1>parents and like China and stuff. He mostly seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>not enjoy his time in the Far East. He thought

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<v Speaker 1>China was gross and dirty. He thought Chinese people were

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<v Speaker 1>gross and dirty. We have his diaries from those times,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not weirdly racist for an American in like

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty, but he's pretty racist, um pretty race in

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<v Speaker 1>Mission into Time a scientology book, though he spun his

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<v Speaker 1>basic vacation with his parents in China into quote and China.

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<v Speaker 1>He met an old musician whose ancestors had served in

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<v Speaker 1>the court of Kubla Khan and a Hindu who could

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<v Speaker 1>hypnotize cats and the high hills of Tibet. He lived

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<v Speaker 1>with bandits, who accepted him because of his honest interest

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<v Speaker 1>in him and his way of life. So that's fun, okay, good,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it so far. He saw the Great Wall of China.

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<v Speaker 1>His only notes in his notebook about this was that

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<v Speaker 1>they should make it into a roller coaster because like

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<v Speaker 1>a shipload of money. So uh, there's there's no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of him learning any ancient Eastern wisdom, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is the time when he first started

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<v Speaker 1>sketching out short stories because he's spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>boring time on boats and trains and stuff with like

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<v Speaker 1>a notebook writing out story ideas. Most of them were

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<v Speaker 1>just like he didn't even write out a lot of stories.

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<v Speaker 1>It was mostly just him writing out the ideas. So

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<v Speaker 1>like there would be entries like love Story goes to France,

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<v Speaker 1>meets Swell abroad, and Marseille. She takes them to her sink,

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom and bath where he lives until notable citizens object.

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<v Speaker 1>He stands them off and takes the next book for America,

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<v Speaker 1>having received a long expected will donate. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>weird little stories like that. Most of them involved American

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<v Speaker 1>travelers meeting beautiful foreign women. Again, he's like fourteen. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to know how to write sex scenes. So

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<v Speaker 1>like the closest he got in his first short story

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<v Speaker 1>was a scene where like a navy corman is with

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<v Speaker 1>like a beautiful native woman and they fall in love.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when he would write out like what they did,

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<v Speaker 1>he just kept scratching it out to the point that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what he wrote because he apparently wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a sex scene and they're just like furiously erased it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like he puts his oh god, oh god, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>what is a woman again? All right? Cool? So he's

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<v Speaker 1>an in cell. It is entirely possible he did not

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<v Speaker 1>know what a woman was at that point. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like a fifteen year old in the twenties. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>either knew everything or nothing. He knew that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to objectify women, he just doesn't know how. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was bad at it, and that would be like a

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<v Speaker 1>hallmark of l. Ron Hubbard's writing, is that, especially since

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the pulp fiction that he became famous

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<v Speaker 1>for other stories in that genre were really sexual. That

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<v Speaker 1>was never a thing he was good at. Um Okay, that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard it here. First, Ron Hubbard couldn't write about sucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Hubbard couldn't. Now, actually that's not true. Weirdly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get too later. There's some evidence he actually

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<v Speaker 1>became pretty good at fucking. Wow, did he just make

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<v Speaker 1>that up? And that's more of his inventive. No, these

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<v Speaker 1>are people who didn't like him otherwise, but like who

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<v Speaker 1>were in relationships and we're like he was. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>bad at fucking. I can't wait till we get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's exciting. This is quite a journey. So

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<v Speaker 1>after he got back from the Far East, he enrolled

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<v Speaker 1>in George Washington University in the fall of nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientology publications state that while there he became the associate

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<v Speaker 1>editor of the university newspaper, was a member of many

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<v Speaker 1>university clubs and societies, and enrolled in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first nuclear physics courses ever taught in an American university. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and several were words of that are not entirely incorrect. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He did go to George Washington University. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>student of the School of Engineering. He did not take

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear physics courses because this was nineteen UM He was

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<v Speaker 1>not good at civil engineering. He hated it and usually

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<v Speaker 1>did not go to class. He did write for the

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<v Speaker 1>school newspaper, but he was not an editor for it.

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<v Speaker 1>He just wrote a few articles, mostly as pr for

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<v Speaker 1>the club that he launched, which was the school gliding Club. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he loved gliding, like hang gliding. No, it's still exists

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<v Speaker 1>today as a sport. You don't hear about it much.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're basically planes. If you saw one park you

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<v Speaker 1>would just guess it was a plane. But most of

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<v Speaker 1>them don't have engines, and you can either fling them

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<v Speaker 1>into the sky with this weird winch system, or you

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<v Speaker 1>can like drop them off the back of an airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>People can travel across continents in these things. If they're

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<v Speaker 1>really good at them, you can go hundreds of miles.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not really planes because there's no engine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no engine. It's just about managing your levels and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not a glider pilot. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was a big fan of that, and he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was apparently pretty good at it, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>better at creating a club for it and drilling up

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<v Speaker 1>interest in it. Soon he started writing articles for like

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<v Speaker 1>Sportsman's Magazine, Sportsman Aviator and other magazines like that. We

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<v Speaker 1>would just lie about you know, I was in this

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<v Speaker 1>horrible die and my plane was falling apart and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had this I crashed into this barn and

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<v Speaker 1>so he just made up stories about stuff he did

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<v Speaker 1>in this glider plane when in reality, he did it

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<v Speaker 1>for like a year or so, and then he lost

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<v Speaker 1>his license because he couldn't afford to renew it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he never flew again. But he kept writing articles

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<v Speaker 1>about flying even after he stopped being able to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, it sounds like a theme of his from

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<v Speaker 1>fabricating stories. Yeah, there's usually a germ of truth. He

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<v Speaker 1>did fly a glider a lot. There was one time

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<v Speaker 1>where he like crashed a glider into a small town. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody got hurt, and like he wound up having to

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<v Speaker 1>take off from a nearby hill or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>which he then turned into you know, stories of traveling

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<v Speaker 1>across the country on a glider at having all these

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<v Speaker 1>advent and discovering a whole other continent and yeah, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's all round humbard. In college, his grades were

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as you'd expect because he usually would skip

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<v Speaker 1>out on class in order to glide more often. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was studying civil engineers civil engineering, right, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>his idea, Yeah, of course he was bad at it

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<v Speaker 1>because he thought the Great Wall of China should be

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<v Speaker 1>a roller coaster. Like that was his idea of like structures,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was the first thing he thought, seeing like,

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<v Speaker 1>the most impressive thing people had ever built was like man,

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<v Speaker 1>but a roller coaster on the son of a bit. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>his grades were pretty bad. But during this time, like

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<v Speaker 1>a ninety two, when he was a sophomore, his school

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<v Speaker 1>launched a literary journal and he submitted his first finished

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<v Speaker 1>short story for publication. So that's the first time he

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<v Speaker 1>got published writing fiction. Uh. The story was titled Tah

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<v Speaker 1>after the name of its main character, uh, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was about a twelve year old child soldier in China

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<v Speaker 1>on a march to die horribly in a battle. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He quickly wrote another short story about another really really

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<v Speaker 1>bloody battle, this time in nave battle in the Yanksee River.

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<v Speaker 1>He repeatedly described the river as being filled with headless corpses.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a big thing for gore, big thing for violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of his early stories involved bloody adventures in vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>Asian settings. Um so this is his passion. Clearly see

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<v Speaker 1>the pattern. That summer summer of l Ron Hubbard decided

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<v Speaker 1>to launch an expedition of his own. He called it

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition and convinced a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>other young nineteen year old boys to pull their money

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<v Speaker 1>so they could rent a boat for the summer and

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<v Speaker 1>sail to the Caribbean. Their goal was to explore abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>pirate strongholds and filmed themselves running around in pirate costumes

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<v Speaker 1>for the presumed historic value of these videos of children

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<v Speaker 1>running around in pirate costumes. He also said that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to quote collect whatever one collects for exhibits and museums. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of specifics about what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Loves vagueness. Also the Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean. The

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<v Speaker 1>film also sounds like it was based on l Ron

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbards a little a lot of movies based on the

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Live. There was a report on his adventure in

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<v Speaker 1>the school newspaper, written by an anonymous writer who was

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<v Speaker 1>almost certainly al Ron Hubbard himself. Uh so, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>read you that school newspaper article trying to get other

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<v Speaker 1>kids to join his expedition in the Caribbean. Contrary to

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<v Speaker 1>popular belief, Wind Jammer days are not over in Romance

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to die the death at least for fifty young

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<v Speaker 1>gentlemen Rovers, who will set sail on the schooner Doris

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<v Speaker 1>Hamlin from Baltimore on twenty June for the Pirate haunts

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<v Speaker 1>of the Spanish Main. According to L. Ron Hubbard, the

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<v Speaker 1>strongholds and bivouacs of the Spanish Main have lay neglected

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<v Speaker 1>and forgotten for centuries, and there has never been a

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<v Speaker 1>concerted attempt to tear apart the jungles to find the

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<v Speaker 1>castles of Teach Morgan, Bonnet, Bluebeard, kid Sharp down there

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<v Speaker 1>where the sun is whipping up heat waves from the palms.

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<v Speaker 1>This crew of gentlemen Rovers will re enact the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>which struck terror into the hearts of the world only

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred years ago, with a difference that this

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<v Speaker 1>time it will be for the benefit of the fun

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<v Speaker 1>and the flickering ribbon of celluloid. In their spare time,

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<v Speaker 1>if they have any, they will scale the heights of

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<v Speaker 1>belching volcanoes, hunting the thick jungles, shoot flying fish on

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<v Speaker 1>the wing, YadA YadA, YadA YadA. Yeah, so it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a great adventure. Um, the Great Depression was in

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<v Speaker 1>its height at this point, so it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of kids signed up because they're like, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>else are we gonna do? There's no jobs, might as

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<v Speaker 1>well have an adventure sailing around in the Caribbean. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard claimed that Fox Movie Tone and Pathane News had

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<v Speaker 1>already put in bids for the film rights. He claimed

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times had contracted to buy the photographs.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's basically promising that they would do this expedition

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<v Speaker 1>and sell a bunch of video and photos and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>would get money. That was the claim going out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Um now it was all lies, of course, and Eldon

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<v Speaker 1>Hubard actually hadn't worked out deals with any media agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times has no record of this, neither

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<v Speaker 1>do any of the agencies he said he'd contracted with.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even have enough money to properly finance the

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<v Speaker 1>whole expedition, so the Doris Hamlin, which did sail out,

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<v Speaker 1>had to return to Port about a month early, having

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<v Speaker 1>found no pirate strongholds and filmed no movies. The captain

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard had hired called the voyage the worst trip I

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<v Speaker 1>ever made. Most of the gentleman Rovers jumped ship at

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<v Speaker 1>their first two ports. Um, yeah, yeah it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a disaster. Yeah, good for them though,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you abandoning ship whatever. You know, the sunk

0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>cost fallacy can make fools of us. All sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>support and just get off that boat. Which in the

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<v Speaker 1>third episode of this three part series, there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a boat that people don't get off of. We will

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens when l Ron Hubbard gets to carry

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<v Speaker 1>one of his dreams of taking a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat to the furthest extent. He never gives

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<v Speaker 1>up this idea. So in September, when you know, everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>back in school and Hubbard's back from his failed voyage

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<v Speaker 1>to the Spanish main, l Ron Hubbard wrote an article

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<v Speaker 1>chronicling his journey for the school newspaper. In this article,

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<v Speaker 1>the journey was turned into a historic success where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>got laid. Yeah, it was all like no girls allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like no, of course not. Gentlemen Rovers can't

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<v Speaker 1>can't you have a gentle lady Romer. No, absolutely not no, no, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>would you have wanted to be on that boat? No,

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<v Speaker 1>testster know that sounds like a nightmare. I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest. If at age like nineteen, I'd had a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to get on like a sailing ship and traveled

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<v Speaker 1>to the Caribbean and pretend to be a pirate, I probably,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could have been convinced to do it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of dumb ship when I was nineteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard wrote in the article. When they weren't out catching

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<v Speaker 1>sharks or harpooning or visiting some colorful spot, they were

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<v Speaker 1>capably entertained by the dark eyed Senorita's at the various ports.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess he just invented that all. The article

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<v Speaker 1>also hailed the scientific achievements of the expedition, which mostly

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<v Speaker 1>included a bunch of film and specimen donations to the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Michigan. The University of Michigan has no record

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<v Speaker 1>of any donations from Ron Hubbard. Seeing any trend here

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<v Speaker 1>so far? But really you picked up on a pattern,

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<v Speaker 1>Well there isn't one yet U. Ron Hubbard dropped out

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<v Speaker 1>of school shortly after getting back from this and We

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<v Speaker 1>will be getting into all of that and what happened

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<v Speaker 1>after he leaves college later in the start of his

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<v Speaker 1>career writing terrible pulp fiction. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a good ad segue, Caitlin. Hey, everyone, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned for more l Ron hubberd. But until then,

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<v Speaker 1>to check out this ad that was fantastic, really really natural.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the part that makes it most convincing to people.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. Our producer Sophie just had to throw

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<v Speaker 1>out a salad that was really bad. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to feel like you were with us while you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the show, make yourself a terrible salad and

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<v Speaker 1>then throw it away. When we last left off of

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<v Speaker 1>our story, l Ron Hubbard had dropped out of college

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<v Speaker 1>after a failed expedition to pretend to be pirates and

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean. What a time the thirties were, Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a brief biography of l. Ron Hubbard, pulished

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<v Speaker 1>after he came up with dianatics. His first action on

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<v Speaker 1>leaving college was to blow up steam by leading an

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<v Speaker 1>expedition into Central America. In the next few years, he

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<v Speaker 1>headed three all of them undertaken to study savage peoples

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<v Speaker 1>and cultures to provide fodder for his articles and stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Between nineteen thirty three and nineteen forty one, he visited

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<v Speaker 1>many barbaric cultures and yet found time to write seven

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<v Speaker 1>million words of public fact and fiction. No, no no, this

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<v Speaker 1>is true. He did get published probably about two million

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<v Speaker 1>words something like that of mostly fiction. So like he

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<v Speaker 1>was a prolific writer from thirty three to forty one,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't write seven million words, right, And he just

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<v Speaker 1>would like, I gotta find some savage people to write about.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a hundred percent lies. He didn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>Central America. We have no record of any expeditions that

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<v Speaker 1>he led to study savage peoples and cultures. But also

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was like, Yeah, these disgusting savages,

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go find out about them and exploit them and

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<v Speaker 1>their lifestyles. I mean, it's nineteen fifty nine. Calling them

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<v Speaker 1>people is almost woke. Good. Fine, But obviously, right after

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard dropped out of school, his dad used his Navy

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 1>connections to get Hubbard a gig doing volunteer work in

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico for the Red Cross, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the closest he got to a expedition into Central America,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not very close to being an expedition in

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<v Speaker 1>Central not at all that this is what I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about. He immediately abandoned his commitment to the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Cross as soon as he arrived on the island

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<v Speaker 1>and instead wandered off into the woods to search for

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<v Speaker 1>gold he believed that Punkistadors had hidden. So he is

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<v Speaker 1>purely delusional, right, It's hard to say how much of

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<v Speaker 1>him is just a liar and how much of him

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<v Speaker 1>is living in a fantasy world, because it's clearly a

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<v Speaker 1>mix of the two. Because he's not a hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>a liar. I can't believe that after having read his story.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of this is he just lives in this whimsical

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 1>world of his. He'll just take like a nugget of

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>true information and then like blow it way out of proportion. Yeah,

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.680
<v Speaker 1>because like for the rest of his life he would

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about like how he was a gold prospector and

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>not for a time it was like you wanted around

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the jungle and didn't find goals. Um. Yeah. Scientology lore

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>claims that he carried out the first mineralogical survey of

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico, but there is again no evidence of this.

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 1>He did briefly work for a prospecting company, but he

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>was back in the mainland United States within a few months.

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<v Speaker 1>In April nineteen thirty three, he married a woman named Polly.

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 1>He was ostensibly working as a writer during this period,

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>but Polly later claimed that in their first year together

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>he probably made less than a hundred dollars. Now at

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 1>this point, he was writing mostly nonfiction. Later that year,

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 1>he claimed to have found gold on his own land,

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's some news reports of interviews with him about

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the gold he found on his land. That appears to

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:40.639
<v Speaker 1>have been a lie, cooked up for the benefit of

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a scheme that we don't know the other half of.

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm gonna assume he tried to make money off

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of it, But all we know is there's these articles

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>about him finding gold and no evidence that he ever

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>found gold. He was clearly trying something, But you're not

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>going to catch the whole story. For every one of

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.399
<v Speaker 1>this guy's schemes, he never was not scheming a b

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>S always be, always be scheming. Nineteen thirty four saw

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<v Speaker 1>the explosion of the only art form el Ron Hubbard

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>would ever truly master, pulp fantasy fiction. From like thirty

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>three to thirty four, hundreds of new magazines started up

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>around the United States. Many of these were like weekly

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>magazines that would have like fifteen twenty different stories in them,

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>and he would total like sixty seventy thousand words. So

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like every week they're putting out like a novel's worth

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 1>of short stories. And there's dozens of magazines doing this.

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 1>So there's a huge amount of hunger in this market

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>for quickly written, cheap stories of cowboys and Indians, of gangsters,

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>of monster and bear attacks like that sort of stuff

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>was so sold in this period. So a man capable

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of ceaseless, effortless machine gun rapidity lying was perfectly. He

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>was built to write really really quick, shitty fiction. Um

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and and he was good at it up until this point,

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, he'd written mostly for sportsman magazines and

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 1>national geographic type oflication and lying about his expeditions and stuff. Yeah,

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>but as soon as he became aware of the hunger

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>for pulp fiction, Lafayette Ron Hubbard knew what he needed

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to do. For six straight weeks, he wrote one short

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>story per day each between forty and twenty thousand words,

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>which is an insane rate of product. Fathom that. Yeah,

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>can you fathom it? If the person writing these never

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>edits anything, never even reads over his own stories. He

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>would just type out a story in one long swoop

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>and then mail it off to a random magazine. So

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>there's probably like continuity errors and like all kinds of consistency,

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>really messy tales. Yeah yeah, yeah, but who gives a ship.

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>They need stories, and most of them didn't even get accepted,

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Like he's just writing so many stories shifting out this

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>least horrible, horrible, horrible stories. Also, the movie pulp fiction

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>was based on, he certainly wasn't influenced, because he helped

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to find the genre. His stories had titles like Green

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>God Calling, Squad Cars, See Things, dead Men Kill, and

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 1>The Carnival of Death. Yeah. I would watch some of

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>those movies. Of course. He was good at titling. Yeah,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 1>of course he would. And he was like for he

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>certainly wasn't bad for a pulp fiction writer. He was

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>definitely in the middle of the pack in terms of

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>quality goes. But he was mostly famous for just no

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>one else could write this much um, And this does

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>seem to be like his real talent was he could

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>just write like a fucking bazooka like it's it was crazy.

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever read any of it? Yeah, it's really bad,

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>but I don't like pulp. It's all really bad, like

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy um HP Lovecraft, and he's an objectively bad writer.

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 1>There's fun ideas in it that are scary, but it's

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>not good writing. Of course. It's not good pacing, like

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 1>neither Stephen King for that man. Yeah, good stories, great

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>horror writer, kind of clunky gross. I've actually not read

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>much or if any. Oh no, I've I read the

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Shoshank Redemption novella. That that one. Yeah, And I think

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Stephen King is like the good version of l Ron

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Hip because they both were able to write it in

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>absurd rate. Um. But Stephen King was just like, whow okay,

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I can just write stories people enjoy and not create

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a cult. Yeah, I'm just gonna be on cocaine. No,

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna do lots of drugs. Be Stephen King,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>not l Ron Hubbard. If you have this gift, so

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Elron Hubbard quickly made a name for himself in the

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>pulp fiction set. He started traveling to New York City

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 1>regularly and became a fixture among pulp writers and editors.

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>He made sure they knew him as quote, a real character.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>He portrayed himself as a badass who, despite his young age,

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 1>had lived a life full of death defying adventures. Some

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>of these men, like the writer Frank Grouper, quickly picked

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard out as a bullshit artist. Quote. One evening, a

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Grouper set through a long account of Ron's experiences in

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps, his exploration of the Upper Amazon, and

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>his years as a white hunter in Africa. At the

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>end of it, he asked, with obvious sarcasm, Ron, You're

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>eighty four years old, aren't you. What the hell are

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? Ron snapped. Grouper waved a notebook in

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>which he had been jotting figures. Well, he said, you

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>were in the Marines seven years. You were a civil

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>engineer for six years. You spent four years in Brazil,

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>three in Africa. You barnstormed with your own flying circus

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for six years. I've just added up all the years

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you did this and that comes to eight four. Good

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>on him, hill him out on his bullshit, But he

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>still liked Tubbart. Like even the people. Pretty much everyone

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>knew he was full of ship for the most part,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but they he was fun to be around, like his

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.479
<v Speaker 1>stories were usually entertaining. Um, he was. He was an

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting guy. Most people seem to like him. Yeah. For

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 1>a while, his career went pretty well. Uh. In nineteen

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 1>thirty five, Columbia Motion Pictures paid him to write a

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>fifteen part film story called The Secret of Treasure Island

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>was played in like fifteen different days or something like

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>that during Saturday morning. Matt May services like it was

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a little sequential thing, and this is the only Hollywood

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>thing he was ever involved with. But for the rest

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of his life he would claim to be a Hollywood

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>screenwriter and just claimed he had written famous movies that

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he didn't write, and that there's no evidence he had

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with what I'm gonna just start doing.

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, the Church of Science. He says he was

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the legends of Hollywood's Golden Age. That's amazing. Yeah.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just lie, yeah, lie, I am claiming you

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>wrote great movies. Alright, guys, everyone, I wrote The Godfather

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Part two. Oh that was you. I produced it. Oh yeah,

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 1>we should already know Chang. Yeah, I mean I could

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>actually claim that pretty easily. I don't even have to

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>change my name. Um. So the reality is that he

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>tried to start a career as a screenwriter in Hollywood,

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't hack it, and so he moved back

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>East to write more trashy pulp fiction in the woods

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>with his wife. He developed a number of pseudonyms for

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>his work with various publications, names like Winchester Rimington, cult,

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>just like gun gun gun cults, A gun is it? Yeah? Yeah,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>could like was the most famous handgun in the world

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>at the time. I heard a cult, no cult, no,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>no coult No, it was three guns gun gun gun.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gun gun gunna wits. Kurt von Racken was another,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>which I think was just like a badass sounding German

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>name renee Lafayette, which is at least half his real name.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Joe Blitz and Legionnaire. These are good names, These are

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>good names. No, he's got some gifts. He's got some gifts. Yeah.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Isaac Asimov liked a lot of his fiction, so like

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>he gained some respect within the community. He certainly wasn't

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>seen as like the worst. He was one of the

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>most prominent names in UH in the pulp fiction universe

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>at that point. People talked mostly though about like the

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>rate of speed at which he was able to put

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>out stories. There were rumors that he typed using one

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>incredibly long piece of paper at a time, that each

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>story was just one massive scroll that he would roll

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>up when he was done. Uh. There were rumors that

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>he built his own keyboard with single keys for the

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>words that he used most often because he just typed

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>so fast. That's actually very smart if that's true, which

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think. It is no evidence that's that's smart. Yeah,

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>it would have been smart if he'd done it. I

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think I've ever made enough money to get his

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>own custom typewriter. There were stories that editors would just

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 1>send messengers to his hotel room with like cover art

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and then wait outside while he wrote a story to

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>go with the cover art, like so he would just

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like reverse engineer stories based on these are at least

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>stories about him, and it's not hard to believe given

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the rate at which he produced words in a day

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>is insane. I can't even write three words a day.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>This script is about eighteen thousand words, and I wrote

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>it in two days, and that was a lot of writing.

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>So well brag okay, yeah, yeah, well look, join my

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>cold just joined my colt. I'm already there, baby, Okay,

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Well I need a boat. We're gonna I got a whole.

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I have got a whole slow boats you know what?

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Not just gentlemen rovers on my boat trip to the

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Caribbean where we pretend to be pirates. You're gonna let

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>women to how how progressive? Well, I want to be

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>able to scam twice as many people, of course, Yeah,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>absolutely so. Obviously. Hubbard eventually turned from writing you know,

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>adventure tales and cop drew almost to writing cheesy science fiction.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>This is sort of the period in the mid thirties

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>when sci fi starts to blow up as a genre,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and he was part of the Golden Age of science fiction.

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>He wrote alongside guys like I already noted, Isaac asim Off,

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>but Robert Hidland else broud de Camp. He was like

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the founders of popular science fiction. And in

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty eight, when his writing career was near its height,

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>he wrote a book called Excalibur, which he never showed

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to anybody but constantly claimed was going to change the world. Yeah,

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Excalibur was a work of philosophy, not of fiction, and

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it was Hubbard claimed a work of such breathtaking philosophic

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>brilliance that it drove everyone who read it to commit suicide.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>That's why he says he couldn't show it to anybody

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>at the locket in the bank fault, because people killed

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>themselves when they read this amazing book. Could even that? Okay, yeah,

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine. I can't imagine he just wrote

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a book so good people shoot themselves. You know that

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>feeling when you finish a really good book and then

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you go buy a gun. Yeah, yeah, about three guns?

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>The other one? Yeah, one name for each of the

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>guns you'll have to buy when you finish his his

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>amazing book. Um. Some people claim they actually read copies

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>of this back in thirty eight. Some people claim he

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>never wrote it. We don't really know if he ever

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>wrote a book and showed it to some people and

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>then shelved it, or if it was all aliative. Again

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>with people who claimed that they read drafts of it

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>said that its whole focus was about like the need

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to survive, Like that was Hubbard's big The survival instinct

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>was his big like philosophical focus. The thing he was Yeah,

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, here's how to survive but then it

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>drives people to for some reason. Yeah. We don't know

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>what he wrote in the book, but he wrote about

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the book to a number of people, including his wife.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>In a nineteen thirty eight he wrote her a letter

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>about it that includes this paragraph that provides some insight.

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>This is Hubbard's writing. The entire function of man is

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to survive. The outermost limit of endeavor is creative work.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Anything less is too close to simple survival until death

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>happens along. So I'm engaged in striving to maintain equilibrium

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>sufficient to at least realize survival in a way to

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>astound the gods. I turned the thing up. So it's

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>up to me to survive in a big way, foolishly perhaps,

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>but determined. Nonetheless, I have high hopes for smashing my

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>name into history so violently that it will take a

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>legendary form even if all books are destroyed. That goal

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>is the real goal, as far as I am concerned.

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>So this is honestly, he kind of accomplished. He sure did. No. No,

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>this is part of why it's hard to hate him.

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>This is a man who set a goal to smash

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>his name into history and did it in a really

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>shitty scary way, but not a failure. I live near

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>l Ron Hubbard Lane or where in Los Angeles. The

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>building we're in we'll probably do the video later in it,

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>but the giant Church of Scientology building is like right

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>off of like our balcony and stuff like. He definitely

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>smashed his name into history and that was his goal

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>at age seven and night, So there you go. Uh.

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen thirties, l Ron Hubbard bought a

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>boat and convinced the Explorers Club to let him carry

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>their flag on a DIO experimental expedition with his wife.

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>The journey did achieve some useful scientific ends and did

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 1>help better map the route up to Alaska, so that's nice.

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Ron's aunt Marnie, suspected the trip was mainly an excuse

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>for him to convince various companies to outfit his boat

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 1>for free, because he would write to all of them saying,

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do this expedition. You need to send me

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 1>free ship, which is smart, and he got a lot

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of free ship. His boat did break down in Alaska,

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and he spent most of the trip hanging out at

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>a radio station in a small town in Alaska, lying

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>about fighting German saboteurs and grizzly bears and stuff. So again,

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>still spent most of his timeline, but did achieve some

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>minor scientific got to commend him for that. His second

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>expedition worked a lot better than his first. That's hard

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>to argue with. Ron Hubbard did serve his country in

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>World War Two. The exact extent of his service is

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>somewhat open for debate. The official Church of Scientology line

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>is that he was commissioned before the war and was

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>present in the Philippines when Japan invaded. He was the

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>first American casualty in the Far East, flown home in

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the Secretary of the Navy's own airplane. He served in

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>five different theater years of the war and received twenty

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>two Medals're gonna guess how much of that's true. I

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>would say maybe five percent. None of it. None of it. Well, No,

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>he did enlist before the war, but that's that's the

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>only thing that's true. He didn't see any combat. He

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to have been in the Philippines, and if

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>he had actually been sent there, he might have wound

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>up fighting the Japanese in the Philippines, which would have

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>been a hell of a thing. But while he was

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 1>on his way to Manila, his commanding officers decided they

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>hated him so much that they sent him home. Because

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>here's his personnel file. This officer is not satisfactory for

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>independent duty assignment. He is garrulous and tries to give

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>has unusual ability in most lines. These characteristics indicate that

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>he will require close supervisions for satisfactory performance of any

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.919
<v Speaker 1>intelligence duty. So he's just like going around like telling

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>his stupid stories to like anyone who will listen and

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>just like get this. And then he's lying to like

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 1>actual military intelligence people and they're like, no, get this guy.

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't want this guy anywhere near as like get

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>him the funk away. Yeah, it's the military there. Yeah,

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that said he was better at tricking other people in

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the military. He should have done if he did seek combat,

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>is just give his book Excalibur to all the enemies

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>and then they would just kill them. Just air drop Excalibur.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>We could we could have used that instead of the nukes,

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>just dropped those over Japan and in the war exactly.

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>We could have just given one to Hitler, damn it,

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:29.839
<v Speaker 1>l ron your gift. So after this, he was sent

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>back to a training center in Georgetown, Maine, where he

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 1>lied and told everyone that he had served extensively on destroyers.

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>His instructors believed him, and he became the classroom source

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>for information on destroyer piloting, even though he had never

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>been in one. He just lied about it. Eventually, Lieutenant

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard talked his way into command of an anti submarine boat,

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a corvette, the U S s PC eight one five.

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>The command of it. Yeah, a little boat, like a

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>pt boat, like a little bit of boat meant to

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>hunt submarines. Like I don't like eight or nine guys

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>on it. But he did talk his way into getting

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a boat. He loves boats. He really loves bot He

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>really loves not good with him, really bad with him actually,

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:13.399
<v Speaker 1>but he loves both. The Church of Scientology essentially put

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>out fake military paperwork about out on Hubbard's service, and

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.359
<v Speaker 1>then journalists went to the actual military which confirmed, like now,

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence of him doing any of this. But

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>according to the Church of Scientology's fake military documents, for

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the war, Mr Hubbard was in command of

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a squadron of corvettes. In ninety three, the vessel under

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>his direct command, PC eight one five was engaged in

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>action which resulted in the sinking of one Japanese submarine

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and the disabling of another. This incident, which took place

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>off the coast of Oregon, was described by Mr Hubbard

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>in a report that he sent to the Commander in

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>chief of the Pacific Fleet. Sounds really impressive, taken out

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to Japanese subs, pretty cool, pretty significant contribution to the

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>war effort protecting Oregon. Oregon's great, except for all the racists.

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>So ship that racist line really threw me off for

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>a second. Um, we're gonna talk about what actually happened

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>and run Hubbard's epic naval battle with what may have

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>been Japanese submarines but almost certainly was something a lot

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>less interesting. We're gonna talk about that in a while,

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>But first, Caitlin, do you love products? You know what?

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I love this product that you're about to hear about.

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's listen to it and we're back. We're talking about

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>l Ron Hubbard and his epic naval battle with a

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>pair of Japanese submarines. So basically, what Hubbard claims is

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that while they were sailing up from Oregon, there had

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>been a Japanese bombing raid on Oregon, Like I think

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it was like a balloon or something that had bombs

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.240
<v Speaker 1>attached to They did attack a place on the Oregon

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.839
<v Speaker 1>coast near this time, so everybody was like freaked out

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in paranoid and Hubbard was sailing down from Oregon and

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>essentially thought that he had sighted a submarine and started

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>dropping depth charges on it and called in other boats

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for back up, and for two days l Ron Hubbard

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.919
<v Speaker 1>and like five ships were just bombing the ship out

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>of what he said was Japanese submarines. Nobody else actually

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>dropped any bombs because they didn't find anything. They were

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>just like sailing around. Well rotten Hubbard bombed the ocean.

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.720
<v Speaker 1>It random, It's probably just like a family on a yacht.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, it's even sadder than that. So

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the Navy had Admiral Frank Fletcher, who was the operational

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>commander during the Battle of Midway, like a very serious admiral, dude,

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>uh investigate the so called action in which Hubbard had

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>taken out two submarines. Because Hubbard, when he got back

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to base, claim that he destroyed one submarine and wounded another.

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Most likely. Actual research found out that what had happened

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>is there was just a magnetic iron ore deposit on

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>the seafloor that had fooled with his instruments, and he'd

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 1>spent two days and dropped more than a hundred depth

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>charges on a lump of metal. Oh my gosh. Lieutenant

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard was furious when his commanders wouldn't recognize the heroism

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>he displayed in recklessly bombing the ocean. Now this was

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>not a great moved for his career. Then Navy doesn't

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like it when you bombed the ocean. Um, so you

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>would thinks as a prospect or he would understand a

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>deposit of metal. But if he was a real prospector, yeah,

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>So the good news is that he had an opportunity

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to redeem himself a couple of weeks later when he

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>recklessly shelled an uninhabited Mexican island and then ordered his

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>men to fire their weapons into the water around the island. Officially,

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>he says this was an unapproved gunnery training exercise. Mexico

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.479
<v Speaker 1>said it was an American boat firing wildly on Mexican land,

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.479
<v Speaker 1>and so they weren't happy with this, so Hubbard lost

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 1>his boat as a result of attacking Mexico. He loves boats. Uh.

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>The admiral who looked over lists and reassigned him rated

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>him as below average and said that he should be

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>put on a large boat where he could be properly supervised.

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:51.479
<v Speaker 1>So for the rest of the war he would spend

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 1>more time in naval hospitals than serving on ships. While

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>he would claim to Robert Hineland and his other writer

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>friends that he had been sunk four times and wounded repeatedly,

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence that he ever suffered any service related injuries.

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>He did come down with a duodn ulcer during his

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>time in the military, but that's about it. Nothing as

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a result of combat is just an ulcer in your guts.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>And so after the war, el Ron Hubbard would spend

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>most of his time lying about several unverifiable service related

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>injuries to the v A in order to get more

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>disability benefits. He spent years doing this. This was most

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of his writing in the first two years after the war,

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was lying to the v A about the extent of

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>his injuries to try to get more money out of them.

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Thousand words a day. Please. He did eventually get at

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>disability payment, but it was it was for nonsense. So

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>right around this time, he abandoned his wife to hang

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>out in a black magic sex mansion in Pasadena. What

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>do you mean is that that's the that's weird to you? Okay,

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that was just a lot of information, it is, Okay,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>you'd expected to be more interesting than it. Really, abandoned

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>his wife to hang out in a black magic sex

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>cult sex mansion, sex mansion. There's this guy named Jack

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Parsons who was you've heard of Alistair Crowley. Okay. Alistair

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Crowley was like a Slemma, this like black magic sort

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of thing. He was a magic guy. He wrote a

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>bunch about it. He was very prominent in that industry

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and like one of his industries the wrong word, but whatever,

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>magic industry, one of the magic industry. One of his

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>acolytes was a guy named Jack Parsons, who was like

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>a rich kid who owned a mansion in Pasadena. And oh, okay,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>they touched briefly on this and going clear, yeah, it's

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.240
<v Speaker 1>it's weird and murky. I don't think Hubbard ever believed

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>much of it. But Hubbard wanted to fuck the ladies

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that Jack Parson had around him, because Jack was like

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>they had a polyamorous thing going on, because it was

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like we're beyond, you know, all this the constraints, and

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard just went in there to like steal his girlfriends

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>basically and still twenty dollars from him because he got

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Parsons to invest in a yacht company and then just

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>bought a yacht for himself and the girlfriend got to

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 1>move away, so he lived on a yacht for a

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>while until he had to sell it. Uh. Yeah, the

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 1>whole black Magic sex mansion thing isn't as interesting as

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 1>it ought to be. They did try to summon the Antichrist, yeah,

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.799
<v Speaker 1>but it was kind of boring to be honest. Yeah. Yeah,

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>you would have hoped for more of a tale there,

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's all nonsense. So on August tenth,

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, he married the woman that he had taken

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 1>away from this black magic sex mansion, the twenty one

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>year old Sarah Northrop. He married her thirty miles away

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>from where he had married his first wife, Pauli, thirteen

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>years ago. He was still technically married to Paully, so

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>this was big of me. But he's not like actively

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>living with both of them. He's just he never before, No,

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.799
<v Speaker 1>he never told his first wife what had he just

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>he just ran away. She had no idea where he was.

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He abandoned their kids too, they had like two kids.

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He just abandoned his kids and his family stole a

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>guy's money to buy a yacht, and then old they

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>really dodged a bullet, that first family of his. They

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>did you get the feeling she's angry that he's a creep.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You don't get the feeling. They feel like they missed out.

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not having out run how word around. During this time,

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 1>after he wed Sarah, Hubbard started selling more stories again,

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 1>got back into writing pulp fiction. He sold several stories

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to an editor named Sam Merwin, who said of him, quote,

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I found him a very amusing guy and bought several

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>stories from him. He was really quite a character. I

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 1>always knew he was exceedingly anxious to hit big money.

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>He used to say he thought the best way to

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 1>do it would be to start a cult. So this

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 1>is like ninety six, the first time when Hubbard, you know,

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 1>starts putting out feelers that like he wants to start

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his own religion. He's like boats Cokes moving up, that's

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>where the money is. He eventually moves up to boat

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Colt right. The whole, the whole journey. Yeah. On April

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth seven, Ron's first wife, Polly, filed for divorce on

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the grounds that her husband had abandoned her and their children.

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Seems pretty fair, very reasonable. She had no idea who

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>he was living with. She had no idea he was

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>already married to somebody else. But that changed three weeks

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>later when Ron moved into the home he had once

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>occupied with his first wife with his second wife. His

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 1>family was furious about this because his mom and dad

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 1>had been taking care of his first wife and their

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>kids and putting them up, so they they're really angry

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>about this. This is kind of when his aunt Marnie

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 1>soured on him. Well, we loved him as a child,

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's a perfect stranger to us now, so I'm

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>glad they realized that. Yeah, he seems to have changed.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>In late l Ron Hubbard met the man who had

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>become his lifelong literary agent Forrest Ackerman. After their first meeting,

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard drove Forest home and told him along and insane

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>story about how he died on the operating table and

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 1>visited heaven um. He would claim a number of times

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.720
<v Speaker 1>in his life to have visited heaven. He once claimed

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to have visited heaven six or seven million years apart.

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>He had multiple lives. Uh. Here's how Forrest recalled l

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Ron Hubbard driving him home, telling him about his Yeah.

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I remember he had an old rattle trap of a

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>car and he was chewing tobacco as he drove. He

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 1>would open the tour with one hand and squirt tobacco.

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>JU said, onto the road. When we got to my apartment,

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>we sat outside in the car while he continued with

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the story. It was at five o'clock in the morning

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and the sun was coming up before he had finished. Okay,

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and then he was like, better represent this guy as

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>his literary age. I think he was like, this is

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a motherfucker who can tell a story. Yeah. I think

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>he had a lot of money off. So Hubbard told

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Ackerman about Excalibur, his suicide inducing visionary philosophy novel. I

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>almost forgot, Yeah, I almost forgot. Don't worry. He never did. Uh.

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>He claimed he had been rejected by publishers. Quote he

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>was told it was too radical, too much of a

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>quantum leap. If it had been a variation of Freud

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>or Young or Oddler, a bit of an improvement here

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.400
<v Speaker 1>or there, it would have been acceptable. But it was

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>just too far ahead of everything else. He also said

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that as he shocked the manuscript around, the people who

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>read it either went insane or committed suicide. The last

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 1>time he showed it to a publisher, he was sitting

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>in an office waiting for a reader to give his opinion.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>The reader walked into the office, tossed the manuscript on

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the desk, and then threw himself out the window. Ron

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>would not tell me much about Excalibur, except that if

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you read it, you would find all fear would be

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>totally drained from you. I could never see what was

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that or why it would cost anyone to

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>commit suicide. Right. Yeah. Also, that's just going to be

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.839
<v Speaker 1>my excuse as a as a failed screenwriter. I'm just

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna like, well, my screenplays are really good and they

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:13.439
<v Speaker 1>just get rejected because people die. Hubbard continued to sell

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:15.919
<v Speaker 1>sci fi short stories during this period, making just enough

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 1>money to stay alive, but not quite enough to live

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>comfortably or stay in one place with his new wife.

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>His most successful series was the old Doc Methuselah adventures.

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 1>These are futuristic tales about a space traveling physician adventurer

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 1>with an alien sidekick slave who cries whenever the doctor

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>tries to free him. It does seem like these might

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 1>have been an influence to Doctor Who, but I don't

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 1>know that. But it was about like an immortal doctor

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 1>traveling through the universe, solving mysteries and stuff with a slave. Yeah,

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it may have been, may have been. It was pretty popular.

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>L Ron wasn't exactly a genius, but he was probably

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the ten most notable names in science fiction

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>at this time. UM. At some point he earned the

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.959
<v Speaker 1>attention of John W. Campbell, who was a very famous editor.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>He's some people call him the father of science fiction.

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, Mary Shelley's probably the mother and founder of

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the discipline. But he was the editor of Astounding Science Fiction,

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and like most of the greats of the sci fi

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Golden Age, worked with him, and he was apparently really really,

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>really good editor, and he liked el Ron Hubbard, but

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 1>his work with Ron would be something outside of the

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>sci fi genre. See Hubbard. At this time decided that

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to keep writing short stories and dimestone novels.

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 1>He wanted the respect he thought he was entitled as

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:24.760
<v Speaker 1>a philosopher. Uh So, in January of l Ron Hubbard

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 1>wrote a letter to his agent and promised him a

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 1>book on philosophy. Here's how bare faced Messiah summed it up.

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Ron promised that among the handy household hints contained in

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the book was information on how to quote rape women

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 1>without their knowing. It, communicates suicide messages to your enemies

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>as they sleep, sell the Arroyo Seco Parkway to the

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.240
<v Speaker 1>mayor for cash, and evolved the best way of protecting

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>or destroying communism. He had not decided, he added, casually,

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>whether to destroy the Catholic church or merely start a

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 1>new one. There's that paragraph. How do you even start

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to unpack that? I mean, some of that is like

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>nine people would be like, oh yeah, teach guys out

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of right. Sure, it's everyone was terrible. It's just a

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>garbage year. But yeah, buckle up, not get more pro women. Actually,

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this for l. Ron Hubbard, I kept expecting

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>him to be a rapist. I have no evidence that

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>he was a rapist, no accusations or anything like that,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 1>which you really expect with these guys, really do, especially

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>if he's taking that sort of especially he's taking that

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of stance. Well. Also, society's understanding of what rape

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>was back then was a bit different. Later that year,

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>rumors began to spread in the science fiction community that l.

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Ron Hubbard was up to something new. He was planning

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to reveal a new science of the mind, something that

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't seem as odd to people then as it does

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.280
<v Speaker 1>to us now. Science fiction had already developed an uncanny

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>reputation for predicting the future. Science fiction writers had been

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the ones who sort of called nuclear bombs and stuff

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like that had been predicted, so had space travel and

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 1>everything by science fiction writers. So there was a real

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>belief in the community that like, something brilliant was going

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 1>to be born out of all this fiction. So they

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>were ready for a sci fi author to create a

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>new science like that didn't seem crazy to people like nowadays.

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 1>And someone's like, you hear about this new science fiction

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 1>writer who's launching a science Okay, yeah, Okay, that's not

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 1>where you do it, right, Yeah. That December of nine,

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>John Campbell published an editorial in the December issue of

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>an Astounding Science fiction. He revealed the imminent release of

0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:31.439
<v Speaker 1>l Ron Hubbard's new science, Dianetics. Do don dun dun

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 1>quote from John Campbell, It's power is almost unbelievable. It

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>proves the mind not only can, but does rule the

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>body completely. Following the sharply defined basic laws set forth,

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>physical ills such as ulcers, asthma, and arthritis can be cured,

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>as can all other psychosomatic ills. So John Campbell was

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a believer because el Ron Hubbard had already used his

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>revolutionary new science to cure the editor's chronic sinusitis. Most

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>of the work of Dianetics revolved around sitting down with

0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>an auditor and remembering old trump adic incidents from one's past.

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Campbell believe Hubbard had taken him back to the moment

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of his birth, which somehow fixed his nose. I don't know,

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 1>he believed it. Uh. In mid nineteen fifty, before the

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>publication of his book on dionetics, I'll Run, Hubbard attended

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the last meeting of his life as a simple science

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>fiction writer. It was a convention in Newark, a sort

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of prototype for comic con like events of today. During

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the meeting, Hubbard is reported to have said, writing for

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a penny award is ridiculous. If a man really wanted

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to make a million dollars, the best way to do

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it would be to start his own religion. In April

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty, Campbell t's that coming in June, a

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand word article on dionetics would be in the

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>magazine titled Dionetics An Introduction to a New Science. In

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>his hype article, Campbell related the story of an ampute

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>veteran who Hubbard had saved. Basically, he claimed that, like,

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>this guy had been hit by a mortar shell, and like,

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>while the medics were coming through afterwards that were like,

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>this guy's hopeless, he's better off dead anyway. And then

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 1>he wound up surviving, but he wanted to kill himself

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>because the he had read Excalibur No No, because the

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>memory of these medics saying that he was better off

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 1>dead had gotten lodged in his brain. And that was

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>what dianetics was all about, is bad memories get misfiled

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 1>in your brain, and you have to go through with

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 1>this auditing therapy and refile them. Basically, so Hubbard and

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Campbell succeeded in wangling support from an actual medical doctor

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>for their science. You gotta remember science is and it's

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty rudimentary science. It's not an exact science. There's

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of nonsense going on in science. And so

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:27.000
<v Speaker 1>this guy, doctor Winner sits in on several auditing sessions.

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Because they would run auditing sessions on just sci fi

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>fans that Campbell brought in. They were just performing quasi

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 1>psychiatry on strangers who walked in off the street and

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.759
<v Speaker 1>just liked reading science fiction. But yeah, Eventually Dr Winter

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>agreed to go through a session himself and found it

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.440
<v Speaker 1>really compelling. He added that in the other patients he'd observed,

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the changes were obvious and people seemed to be cheerful

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and relaxed and feel better after they got out of

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a dianetic session, So he figured, maybe there's something to

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 1>do this, Like this seems like it might be a

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.360
<v Speaker 1>real science. It really seems like what was going on is,

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, psychotherapy was pretty new as a discipline at

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>this point, and Diane edics, which just sort of repackaging

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 1>psychotherapy with different names. But like, there's a benefit in

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>sitting down with your friends and talking about and talking

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>about your feelings, and that's what he was doing so

0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>that's what people found benefit with because people didn't talk

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>about their feelings. Men didn't talk about their feelings, so

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>there was a benefit to this um It wasn't Hubbard's genius.

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:24.720
<v Speaker 1>It was just the benefit of sitting down and talking

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>about your feelings. Dr Winter actually tried to publish an

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>article on Hubbard's methods, but the Journal of the A

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.800
<v Speaker 1>m A and the American Journal of Psychiatry both rejected

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>his papers. They said that he and Hubbard had neglected

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to provide any clinical evidence that their techniques worked. In fact,

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.719
<v Speaker 1>it seemed that they were just ripping off the basic

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 1>techniques of psychotherapy, giving everything new names, and making up

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>wild claims about repressed memories. Many sci fi fans, though,

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.879
<v Speaker 1>were interested in this new science being launched via fandom,

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Although several fans wrote to Campbell to complain that all

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.239
<v Speaker 1>he wrote about now was dionetics, for the most part,

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.319
<v Speaker 1>people seemed really excited asac as him Off though did

0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.800
<v Speaker 1>read an early copy of the dionetics article and proclaim

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it gibberish, so not everybody was on board. In May

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty, the Science of Dianetics was released in

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the form most befitting a serious new scientific discipline, a

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>science fiction fantasy pulp fiction magazine. Here's the cover of

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the issue where dionetics was announced. Okay, you want to

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 1>describe the cover of that astounding science fiction magazine with

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a new science being launched in it. It's, uh, this

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>man appears to have hair all over his body. It's

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 1>drying like an alien. Yeah, it's like he a very

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:32.719
<v Speaker 1>aggro looking man with for he appears to be wearing

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:37.320
<v Speaker 1>like a mask over his eyes, his catlike eyes. Yeah. Um,

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.320
<v Speaker 1>he is crossing his arms. He's very angry about something

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and um yeah, just he looks like a creature slash alien,

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>slash werewolf. And most of the magazine that week was

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 1>just a bunch of random science fiction stories. This was

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 1>from the Helping Hand. I guess that's some alien coming

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to Earth to help Earth or whatever. The article that

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>launched dianetics was also in this magazine. In the article,

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard explained that the brain was basically like a computer,

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and like a computer, it has the potential to operate

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 1>with perfect recall and recollection. Mental illness was caused by

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>memories that had essentially gotten misfiled in the brains, and

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 1>you could refile everything. You can make brains functioned perfectly

0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 1>and you'd remember everything, and just human beings could be

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<v Speaker 1>perfected by this new mental science that l. Ron Hubbard

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<v Speaker 1>had essentially developed. Um. So yeah, he called these memories

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<v Speaker 1>they got misfiled in grams and so like if a

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<v Speaker 1>child got bitten by a dog when he was too

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<v Speaker 1>she might not remember getting bitten by the dog, but

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<v Speaker 1>the ingram would be stuck in her and it could

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<v Speaker 1>be stimulated by sites and sounds that were similar to

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<v Speaker 1>what had been going on around her when the dog better,

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<v Speaker 1>and that could cause distress the purpose of dianetic theory

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially to gain access to the in grams and

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<v Speaker 1>what he called the reactive memory banks of the mind

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<v Speaker 1>and refile them and the analytical part of the mind

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<v Speaker 1>so you wouldn't react to them logically. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>how he justified the science behind dianetics. Sounds like nonsense

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>because it is nonsense now. Hubbard claimed that if the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest in grams in the brain, which usually happened around childbirth,

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 1>could be located and refiled, a person's analytical mind would

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.680
<v Speaker 1>reach new heights of productivity and success. Individuals who cleared

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 1>their earliest in grams would be called clear, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would have perfect memory recall in a total immunity from

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<v Speaker 1>all psychological illnesses and many physical ones too. In May

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty, Dionetics The Modern Science of Mental Health

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 1>reached bookstores across the nation. Its publisher, Hermitage House, only

0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:30.600
<v Speaker 1>printed six thousand copies for its first run. They were

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<v Speaker 1>not expecting a major success. The book was a guide

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<v Speaker 1>for her to carry out auditing sessions. As described by

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Hubbard and Campbell in The Reader's Own Home, Hubbard was

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<v Speaker 1>basically yeah, providing a dress up guide for people to

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<v Speaker 1>perform unlicensed psychotherapy on their friends and family. Very safe, Yeah, Dionetics.

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<v Speaker 1>The book was a profoundly anti woman terrorist. Greed was

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<v Speaker 1>a feminist icon. Feminist icon Aron Hubbard claimed that attempted

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<v Speaker 1>abortions were the single most common cause of prebirth ingrams

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>quote a large proportion of allegedly feeble minded children or

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>actually attempted abortion cases. However, many billions America spends yearly

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<v Speaker 1>on institutions for the insane and jails for criminals are

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<v Speaker 1>spent primarily because of attempted abortions done by some sex

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 1>blocked mother to whom children are a curse, not a

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>blessing of God. All these things are scientific facts, tested

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and rechecked and tested again. So he's like a pro life,

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>pro rape again feminist, icon feminist, all right. He believed

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<v Speaker 1>that other ingrams came from abuse of husbands. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>if a husband beat his pregnant wife and yelled take it,

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<v Speaker 1>take it. I tell you you've got to take it,

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the child might interpret those words literally and become a

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:40.000
<v Speaker 1>thief because take it. Ron Hubbard, he thought a pregnant

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>woman suffering from constipation might sit on the toilet and

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, be a horrible pain and go, oh, this

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is how I'm all jammed up inside. I feel so stuffy.

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't think. This is too terrible to be born.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the child would think that they were so

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.000
<v Speaker 1>terrible they didn't deserve to be born because their mom

0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't poop. That's such a specific thing for him to

0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>write to like speculate as to what a woman say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, really interesting. He thought a lot of prenatal ingrams,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, the worst prenatal ingrams were caused by

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 1>women cheating on their husbands. Because he assumed that a

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 1>woman cheating on her husband would talk about her husband

0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to her lover, and that the fetus developing would hear this,

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and since many kids had the same names as their fathers,

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 1>he would think that his mom was talking about him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird, right, You know how fetuses understand language perfectly.

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>That's that's what they're most famous for, fetus is their

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 1>language skills. Many of these ideas are still present in

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:41.120
<v Speaker 1>scientology today. For example, about a second worth of googling

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<v Speaker 1>brought me to a Scientology parent website and a page

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 1>on that website titled why silent Birth. It quotes out

0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Ron Hubbard. A woman who wants your child to have

0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the best possible chance will find a doctor who will

0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 1>agree to keep quiet, especially during the delivery, and who

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 1>will insist upon silence being maintained in the hospital living

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 1>room as far as is humanly possible, because, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>any yelling during the birth would give the child like

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<v Speaker 1>if the doctor's like, come on, now, push the feet,

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<v Speaker 1>is the baby is going to be like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to push people down exactly, and I'll just be

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<v Speaker 1>a shoven monks. And that's why our streets are filled

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<v Speaker 1>with shovers, seriously shoving people every day because I was

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<v Speaker 1>given birth. ABS always be shoving. Yeah, scheming and shoving.

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<v Speaker 1>Scheming and shoving both important. Dianetics was not an instant success,

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<v Speaker 1>but within the first couple of weeks of publication, it's

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<v Speaker 1>spread very widely enough to earn bestseller status and provoke

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<v Speaker 1>its first negative press. The New York Times were bad

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about it. A reviewer from New Republic savaged it

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<v Speaker 1>and basically claimed it was it was nonsense. Whatever makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense in his discoveries does not belong to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>his own theory appears to this reviewer as a paranoia system,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be of interest as part of a case history,

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<v Speaker 1>but which seems quite dangerous when offered from mass consumption.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the therapeutic technique? Probably fair, someone knew what they

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about. Yeah, all the experts were like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a bad idea, there are you are also noted that,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to being able to cure psycho somatic illness,

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard claimed Dianetics could treat cancer and diabetes. Uh. The experts,

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<v Speaker 1>of course cried out that this was dangerous nonsense, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one listened. Hubbard's sold fifty copies in the first

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<v Speaker 1>two months after release. He was finally rich. So in

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine short years, I'll run Hubbard had gone from

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<v Speaker 1>a fake blood brother of the Blackfoot Indian tribe to

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<v Speaker 1>a fake war hero, real trash novelist, and had now

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<v Speaker 1>ascended to the lofty heights of a pop psychiatry guru.

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<v Speaker 1>Dianetics was officially a fat, but Hubbard had a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to keep this fat going long past its rational expiration date.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what we're going to get into in

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<v Speaker 1>part two. Yeah, we haven't even gotten to the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>of scientology yet, I know, I know, or the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>of his boat Colt. There's so much more, so much

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<v Speaker 1>more to get into. Caitlyn Duranti, you want to plug

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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard being a fucking nutbar It's gonna be great. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but see you then