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Speaker 3: That should always be the expectations.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll being relieved of his head coaching duties in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been a long time. He's been there fourteen years,

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Speaker 1: winning his coach in Seahawks history. Obviously, it's a decision

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Speaker 1: that seems like it was made by ownership to move

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Speaker 1: a part of the organization in an advisory role. But

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Speaker 1: I'm very surprised by this decision. Again, another winning season.

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Speaker 1: They didn't make the playoffs, so I think that was

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Speaker 1: the expectations. There was disappointment there, but they've been consistent.

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Speaker 1: They've been consistently a winning team. They've been consistently in

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Speaker 1: these ball games. I think they took some really tough

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Speaker 1: not see this coming. I did not see them letting

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Speaker 1: Pete go. He's one of the only coaches in the

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Speaker 1: history of football in general to win a national championship

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Speaker 1: in college, in win a Super Bowl. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the greatest Seahawks coach of all time, and that's not

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Speaker 1: to be debated at this point. He won them their

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Speaker 1: only Super Bowl. I was on this team that won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with Seattle, but it was a situation

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Speaker 1: where I expected them to let Pete coach as long

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Speaker 1: he wanted to. He instilled an incredible culture in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He's done a ton for the city of Seattle, for

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Speaker 1: the city of la He's done a ton for football

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Speaker 1: in general. You know, we're talking about the always compete mentality.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see what Seattle does

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Speaker 1: and they said there was things that they couldn't pass up.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you follow this up.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think people are expecting grass being greener

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Speaker 1: always better, but new isn't always better. And I think

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Speaker 1: Pat won a lot of games, took him to a

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Speaker 1: lot of playoffs. We did a lot of special things

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Speaker 1: in my time there. But you know, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: about hiring a guy like Dan Quinn. I could see that.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's always a fork in the road kind

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Speaker 1: you know, this guy being as special as he was

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Speaker 1: This is a head scratcher for this organization, but I

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Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see what happens going forward, what

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Speaker 1: There's this is a moment for the Seahawks to really

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Speaker 1: everything he's done for this organization. I'm sure John Snyder

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would lead to a great future

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Speaker 1: I just didn't expect it right now. After the season

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Speaker 1: But you talk about the NFC Championship games, you talk

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Speaker 1: But my goodness, offensive philosophy is gonna change. Defensive philosophy

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Speaker 2: Played really well this year. Boy ye Mafe.

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Speaker 1: There's a ton of pieces that they got really talented team,

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Speaker 1: We got a great guest on Tayshaun Gibson's safety for

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Speaker 5: How you doing, brother, Brother, I appreciate you for having me. Man,

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Speaker 5: I'm blessed man, you know, getting ready for his first round.

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Speaker 5: Bomb happy about it. So you know that mean a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, y'all played well.

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Speaker 1: This defense really changed when you kind of got into

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Speaker 5: It's just kind of one of them things where I

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Speaker 5: We won't get to come in and work out for us.

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Speaker 5: People have called me the former undrafted player before they

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Speaker 5: So I think that's been a huge blessing for me

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Speaker 6: And I think that that's the thing just kept me motivated. Man.

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Speaker 5: And having somebody like huff Man, that dude has so

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Speaker 5: No sometimes he had correct coaches, he'd be like, hey,

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Speaker 6: Like, he's just so studious to the game.

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Speaker 5: So having him just telling me, like you might see

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Speaker 5: he took me back to elementary football where it's just

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Speaker 5: Coach me go coach dB. They did a good job

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Speaker 5: used to this system because you played in it. Seattle

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Speaker 6: So I took a little time to get used to it.

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Speaker 5: But once they let the rains go, man, it was

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Speaker 6: Man, I'm so fortunate that they gave me that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Bro. It's a match made in heaven.

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Speaker 1: But it also speaks to your preparation and your mindset

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Speaker 1: because you came in and, like I said, you elevate.

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Speaker 1: You weren't just a pod in this defense. You weren't

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Speaker 1: just a piece of this defense. You were getting picked

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Speaker 1: after pick. I mean you you solidified the middle of

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Speaker 1: It did show, it wasn't with you back there. And

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Speaker 2: Not watching this dude? Like this dude has been killing

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Speaker 1: I would argue between this year and last year, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would say, y'are playing really high level football.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you. I agree with you, man, and

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Speaker 5: It just was I was sitting talk to my brother

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Speaker 5: you get to that age where people say how long

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Speaker 6: You just like, man, I just want to win this

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Speaker 5: You know, That's why I tell people but it's like

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Speaker 6: Man, I'm forever and dead.

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Speaker 5: I'm so thankful because, like you know, your team coming

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Speaker 6: Wasn't going away that we wanted.

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Speaker 6: Do what I needed to do. I ain't gonna lie

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Speaker 5: So just rejuvenating myself, man, just the love for the

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Speaker 5: it just it goes a long way, no matter the accolades,

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Speaker 6: Man, when you appreciate it goes a long way.

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Speaker 5: And man, just to be here and appreciate it, not

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Speaker 6: Want to go harder.

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Speaker 5: Man. I can't let my guys nick down, you know,

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Speaker 5: And That's just one of the things for me, Sharon,

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Speaker 5: I can't let these guys down. And that just been

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Speaker 5: I can't let a guy like Fred down, run through Fred,

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Speaker 5: that dude. Man, Like you know, I can't let Huff

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Speaker 5: And you know I'm gonna do my og part in

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Speaker 1: Sure, as a as a dude who was og in

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Speaker 2: I feel you now are veteran, was.

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Speaker 3: Way long way when you was here man, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's wild and you've had a had a had

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Speaker 2: But I'm about to take you all the way back

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Speaker 2: way back. Talk to take you back to Kimball High

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Speaker 1: Gonna take me back to Laramie and playing with your

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Speaker 3: You did just research alright on this podcast. Man, come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell tell me about it. You did everything

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Speaker 5: Come on, man like, so you know, so to be honest,

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Speaker 5: It just it's so cool, man, the memories that I

436
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 5: take forever with me. Man, So you know, it was

437
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 5: just it was a cool situation for me to go

438
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,120
Speaker 5: up there and play with my brother. We started three

439
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 5: years together, best three years of my life, man, honestly, truly.

440
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 2: No question, Bro, That's that's how I would imagine it,

441
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 2: being player with your brother.

442
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 6: Man.

443
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 2: Itth workouts together, practice together. No, don't did y'all live together?

444
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,919
Speaker 6: We lived together everything. Man.

445
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 3: It used to be we going games by. Never forget

446
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 3: we played bois man.

447
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 5: They had a receiver tight as young dude had wheels

448
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 5: that my brother was like a four or three guy

449
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,880
Speaker 5: man first quarterman, dude run a big post and it's

450
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,479
Speaker 5: just like my brother, Like, hey, I'm gonna guard him

451
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 5: for the rest of the game, you.

452
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

453
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 5: Like you know, you you have these the big brother

454
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 5: instant kick in like you know, and it's just like

455
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 5: them things. Man, you think about little things like that.

456
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 5: I tell people all the time, I wasn't the best

457
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 5: athlete in my family. I really feel like my brother

458
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 5: had he stuck it out. Man, my brother, Man, he

459
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 5: probably the best football player that I've ever played with.

460
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 5: I know, people say, like I genially think to this day, Man,

461
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 5: he was a better He was a better defensive back

462
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 5: than me. And people say, ah, how that Nah? I

463
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 5: mean that, man, And you know, probably you can. You

464
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 5: can attest to him. Man, some of the best ones

465
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 5: Man just didn't have that made it. I was fortunate

466
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 5: enough to have that opportunity that he didn't.

467
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 6: Man. So you know, without him, I wouldn't be here. Man.

468
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 6: And I shout out to my brother Man nothing beloved. Man.

469
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 6: That's my dog for.

470
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 2: Sure, Man, no question. I mean I got a big

471
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 2: brother that that. I tell people all the time.

472
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be half the player I was without him

473
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: paving the way, without question, it's easier to go second.

474
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: It's easier to be the second person in. Your brother

475
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: was there, You're probably.

476
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: Looking around like, I don't know, he had the crawl

477
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,719
Speaker 3: for me to watch, Sharon.

478
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 5: Man, I tell I tell him all the time, and

479
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 5: I appreciate you more than you ever know, man, truly.

480
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 6: Man, that's some real stuff though.

481
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: And then you meet your old lady out there.

482
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like you know my my like you know,

483
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 5: got got three kids, man, and you know so Laramie

484
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 5: is Laramie was Laramie did did the way way more

485
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 5: good than I probably could have ever imagined.

486
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 6: Man, truly, that's the truth.

487
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: If I ever end up at Wyoming, I'm a thinking

488
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

489
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 5: I know all the places now, you know I'm still connected. Man,

490
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 5: You just let me know where you're going through the

491
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 5: three h seven man, for sure.

492
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: No question, no question. I'm gonna let you know. Now

493
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to these coaches in this scheme.

494
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: Tell me what you've thought of Kyle Shanahan, because I

495
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all crossed path when you was in

496
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland or how that was, but how have you seen

497
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: him as a head coach? Because his approach was solely

498
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: different than I had with Pete Carroll. That boy Kyle

499
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: getting them team meetings, and boy he is a professor.

500
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 5: Say, man, you know the funny part about it is

501
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 5: it was so new to me when I first got here.

502
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 5: And I got here after they played their first preseason game,

503
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 5: I mean the Vikings preseason game, and he come in

504
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 5: there to Monday meeting and he's going over every single play.

505
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 6: We must have been in there for probably about an hour, right, and.

506
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting here and I'm like, man, I've.

507
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 6: Never been a part of that.

508
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 5: But when you get here and you get used to it,

509
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 5: and you realize, like, man, this man is obsessed with ball,

510
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 5: it's hard for you not to want to play for

511
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 5: a guy like that turn because it's like, man, this

512
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 5: dude just love ball. Like man, if I can't do

513
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 5: nothing for these next six seven months, these six seven

514
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 5: hours a day for this man, not just for him,

515
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 5: but like he loved it so much.

516
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 6: Man, It's just like, man, it's six hours of your day.

517
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 5: Like you know, he just was so different and you

518
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 5: could tell like football is always on his mind.

519
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 6: Man.

520
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 5: These team means sometimes you think they go for ten

521
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: minutes and they go for.

522
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 6: Fifty minutes and he just he's going, man.

523
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 5: And uh, just my approach. I was with Kyle and

524
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 5: Cleveland twenty fourteen. Man, a year I went to the

525
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl. So me and Kyle we I was young man,

526
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 5: So me and Kyle we really didn't kind of you know,

527
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 5: just kind of like pleasure streets.

528
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 6: Man.

529
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 5: I speak to him when I see him in the

530
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 5: hallways on the field, nothing too personal. But when I

531
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 5: got here, man, I've seen a different side of them,

532
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 5: being able to talk to him a little more in

533
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 5: a personal light. Man. And it's just like I could

534
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 5: tell you this, man, Kyle's probably my favorite coach.

535
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 6: I'll played with it.

536
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 5: I'm not just saying that because I'm here, but man,

537
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 5: just the way that he take care of the players,

538
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 5: that open door policy.

539
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 6: Man.

540
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 5: Like he's a straight shooter, and you gotta respect that.

541
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 5: You've been around long enough, Man, some guys that will

542
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 5: tell you one thing and it's just like.

543
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 6: It's always somebody else. It's like, Hey, it's not my decision,

544
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 6: but this Kyle is a straight shooter. What he say?

545
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 6: You mean? John been nothing but a straight shooter to me. Man.

546
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 5: And the older you get, the more you can respect that.

547
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 5: I could respect that man like yeah, man, tell me

548
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 5: what it is. And besides that, it's just like he takes.

549
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 6: Care of his players.

550
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: And that's why see so many guys that got nothing

551
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 5: but love and respect for coach.

552
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: Kyle.

553
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 5: Man's everything perfect. No coach is everybody gonna have some complaints.

554
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 5: You've been in the locker room before.

555
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 6: Complaints is always heard in every locker room. Man.

556
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: But I tell you what, man, it's a locker room

557
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 5: full of guys, men that run through brick wall.

558
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 6: For cal Man, he's just that type of guy. Man.

559
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 6: He command that type of respect and man, the guy's

560
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 6: rally behind the man. And I'm proud to be a

561
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 6: part of this.

562
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: For sure, no question, no question. That open door policy,

563
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: especially for vets, it's totally different because you almost appear

564
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: with him, you know what I mean, Le Cole only

565
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: what forty one, So the conversations aren't like you You know,

566
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: I used to be talking to Pete Carroll right right right,

567
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: sixty eight years old, seven years old, and it's like, okay,

568
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: this is a certain regard. But when you're talking to

569
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Kyle and four five years older than me, it's like, hey, yo,

570
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: he kind of like.

571
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: You're peer, You're right, that's the truth.

572
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 6: That's the truth.

573
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: And I appreciate how you always took care of the vets.

574
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: He's asking you questions like hey, you good? You need today?

575
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: Are your legs? Like all the time. Every coach isn't

576
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: like that. And then you translated to his football knowledge

577
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: and his schematic knowledge. You going to games like be

578
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: excited to get on the sideline and watch the offense,

579
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: like let me see if they're gonna run that player.

580
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 5: I want to sit down Sean man like them boys.

581
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 5: It's so crazy what he doing that offensive side man

582
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 5: is like I never seen nothing like it, Like it's wild.

583
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 2: Man.

584
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 5: I remember him and Jimmy G that year that they

585
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 5: were six and ten before they turned. But I think

586
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 5: the year before you may have got here like slicing

587
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 5: dice and Jimmy G may have had his best game.

588
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 6: Man.

589
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: Our defense that year in Jacksonville was was we was,

590
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 5: I mean nice man everywhere Saxonville, Saxonville. Man, they Jimmy

591
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 5: G stretted us for three man. That man may have

592
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: perfect passer rating on us.

593
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 6: Man.

594
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: We had number of Pro Bowlers back then, Kyle, like

595
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: we was just all over the place.

596
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 6: Man, I said, Man, this offense different right here. Man,

597
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 6: So Kyle know what you're doing on offense side.

598
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Did you ever during training camp or anything, get to

599
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: the point because we used to doing training camp and

600
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: he used to be drawing up some nonsense. He'd be like, bru,

601
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: you you know what he's running.

602
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: They say, he know that, he know that, he know

603
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: the weaknesses. Man, Kyle to run some stuff. Man, I

604
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: had your head spinning and you just like, ain't no

605
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: way you thought we could have defended this play like

606
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 5: it's like no, man, Like you give him something like that. Man,

607
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 5: plenty times in training camp like that. That's what made

608
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 5: it fun. Man, That's what made us. That's what made

609
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 5: us compete. That's what made it.

610
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 6: In the training camp practices, one thing about.

611
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 5: It, you're gonna you're gonn You're gonna get your due

612
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: out of them training camp practice. Man, to the point

613
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 5: where the games are easier. And that's one thing you

614
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: don't respect while you're in it. Yeah, Man, you thirty

615
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: three this year twelve and them training camps was hards Shiran.

616
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 5: But when you get to the game, you say, this

617
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: is what those practices was for.

618
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 6: This is easy now. So you know, man, I so

619
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 6: much respect for.

620
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Coach, and well, can we talk about how talented this

621
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: team is because I know you played on good team,

622
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: You played on great teams.

623
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: You were reason the teams were great in Cleveland.

624
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: You played on that Saxonville team with with Koalais and

625
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: y'all had Jalen and you and you know y'all had

626
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: a really good team. Uh, but let's talk about because

627
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: it's you look up and down the roster. You talk

628
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: about you, you talk about Nicholas, John Bosa, Eric don't

629
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: get enough credit, and now you got Chased Young, you

630
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: got Trent on the other side, d Bo Brandon, Christian Broh.

631
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: Fred Greenlalk. I mean, we go on and on.

632
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: It has to feel good going into a game when

633
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: you watching and you're going to practice with these guys,

634
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: and do you ever catch yourself like, man, some of

635
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: them boys right now?

636
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 5: You know the crazy part about it is, I think

637
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: I want to say Philadelphia game and you sit back

638
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: and I looked, and I think the game had kind

639
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 5: of start getting away, and I think one of our

640
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 5: last series, it's like these boys can't move the ball,

641
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: and you just look around you and know what I mean, Like,

642
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: we missing an All Pro safety, so you ain't even

643
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 5: talking about a first team All Pro safety that we missing.

644
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 6: So to look around and see this, I.

645
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 5: Can't help but just thank God, man that I was

646
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: putting this right situation, because like you see a Nick

647
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 5: Bosa man, selfless, dog like man, best best defensive player

648
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 5: in the league. No matter what the stats look like,

649
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: the impact that man make is different. Fred truly a

650
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 5: top five defensive player in the league. Man.

651
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 6: Like I mean, I don't think people know exactly what Fred.

652
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: Do people know?

653
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 6: But you look around.

654
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 5: You got these It's like the month stars, man, Like,

655
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: how can you decide? I'm on space jam Man, I'm

656
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 5: living in I'm living a dream. You got all these

657
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 5: dudes back here.

658
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: I just got to do my job, man, I just

659
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: got to be in the right place.

660
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Man.

661
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: So you sometimes you look at that and not even

662
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: talking about the guys on offense, man, the way party

663
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 5: is operating.

664
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: You got guys like beat Ayu who.

665
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 5: Just he just we seen it during training camp. But

666
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: what he's done this year, man is different.

667
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 6: We know what Deebo do. Deebo is debo man, best.

668
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 5: Player with the ball in his hand and kill them

669
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 5: best tight end in the National Football League. So you

670
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 5: look at this, man, how can you not just walk

671
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 5: in here and be like you don't like to look ahead.

672
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 5: But it's like, man, this is a super Bowl caliber

673
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 5: team just from talent alone. We ain't talking about the

674
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 5: schematics or anything like that. We're talking about talent alone.

675
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: And I'll be remiss man if this wasn't the year.

676
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 5: And I don't like to talk too far ahead, you

677
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: know how I go. But man, this is the most

678
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 5: talented team I've ever been a part of. And when

679
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: I say it's not close, it's remotely not close.

680
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. It's hard to argue that who

681
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: you got. And then you talk about yourself, who's having

682
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: a great season, lowest passer rating a month's safeties, You

683
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: talk about Tarvaria's ward have got five interceptions and over

684
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: the last oh last.

685
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: Mooney his dude, man scrapping what Demo two?

686
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: Don't forget about Demo Man, Demo my favorite player?

687
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: Man?

688
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Come on, all they do is ask Demo, Hey play

689
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: on the outside a charge basement?

690
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: He injured? Go go follow the best safety.

691
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: If you got to.

692
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: Play safety, all right, now play nickel because we need

693
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: you to play Nickel now.

694
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: Man, talk about versatility.

695
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: But Mooney is on some other stuff right now, and

696
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting enough credit.

697
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: I agree with you. I told him yesterday and the

698
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: team meeting, you know you have you. We had a

699
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 5: real talking man. That's That's one of the things I

700
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 5: told him. And I hope that you get everything that

701
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: you deserve. A Pro Bowl just ain't enough for the

702
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: way that you've been playing. Mooney deserved more than just

703
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: a Pro Bowl, being man. I think I just can't

704
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 5: see four cornerbacks being on the All Pro team that's

705
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: been playing better than him.

706
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: When you talk.

707
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: About when you turn on the tape, not name by name,

708
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: basis obviously man, I got love for those guys.

709
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 6: Jay Ram is my dude, man, and obviously he's the

710
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 6: top tier.

711
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: But when you look at these guys and you say, like, man,

712
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 5: it's hard to say that movie. He don't belong up there.

713
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 6: Man. So you know, I'm happy he on my team

714
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: for sure.

715
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: All he need to do is just catch him.

716
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: He catching them now, and he catching them and catching them.

717
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: He catching one, I said, okay, catching them.

718
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: Couldn't be more proud of my dual young mole Man

719
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: for sure.

720
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 6: For sure.

721
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would guess he's gonna be on somebody's All

722
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Pro team, you know, I think, I think obviously it's

723
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: tough to argue the names, but he's on one of

724
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the best teams in the league. Story, he's playing these

725
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: big games, he's playing well in them. Uh, he's gonna

726
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: play well in these playoffs. And you know now that

727
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: they ain't wearing thirty five, uh in Kansas City, you know,

728
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: he getting a lot more respected.

729
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: That thirty five in KC was a little.

730
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: Mony you got. You can't expect them to love you

731
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: with the three five, old man.

732
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie the seven.

733
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: Look, the seven makes me want you gotta be all

734
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: prossed save thirty five.

735
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if we could sneak thirty five in the.

736
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl or nothing.

737
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Like that so itself, but the seventh we can get

738
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: tell you, yeah.

739
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: You look something. You look like something out there for sure, for.

740
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: Show looked like So.

741
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about Steve Wilks because you know,

742
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: y'all was playing good football and lost a.

743
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Few games, lost the three games in a row.

744
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: They had that BS penalty in Cleveland, but it ain't

745
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: even gonna go there, he said, But they brought him

746
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: out the boot and he was on the sideline. Has

747
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: that really made the difference that people are making it

748
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: out to be, because now you're seeing the energy, you

749
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: see him interact with players, it does seem like, uh,

750
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: it's bringing a different energy to this defense.

751
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: You know.

752
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: One thing that you can appreciate is one thing. I

753
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: appreciate guys doing what works for them, like you know,

754
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: and and I don't think that it was as a

755
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: big a deal as it was initially made, but I

756
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: will say having him on the sideline, being able to

757
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: heal things off of his he come to you say hey,

758
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: what you like, what.

759
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: You don't like?

760
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: You don't get that type of interaction when he's upstairs,

761
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: like nobody's getting on the phone and let when you

762
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: sit there he tell.

763
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 6: You like, hey, what do you like?

764
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: And me and multiple players he'll tell you come talk

765
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: to him, Hey, we don't like this coach.

766
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: He feel the game and he say like, hey, you

767
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: know what, we ain't gonna run this no more.

768
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: And just that energy, just that, just that that timing

769
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 5: of him being on the sideline feeling it like hey,

770
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 5: I know that this is not working. I could feel

771
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: y'all energy. Let me switch it up, let me call

772
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 5: something else. You don't feel that in a boot, you

773
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. When you call anahom fifteen times

774
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: in a row, like you know you're not feeling that,

775
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: Like you know.

776
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. You call too much links man like.

777
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 5: But no, Man, I think that it's been a huge

778
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: thing because like he listened to his players, and you

779
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: a lot of defensive coaches. Some of them do, some

780
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 5: of them don't. He's not stuck in his ways as adjustments.

781
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 5: Man's top tier. And that's the biggest thing. The energy

782
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: that you get. Dude, passionate. He really like a Cadillac.

783
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: He a cool old like he liked that cool unk

784
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: man like you could just talk to about anything. But man,

785
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: he's so passionate about the game and he passionate about

786
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: what he do. You can just feel that. And when

787
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: you feel that with him, it's just kind of one

788
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: of those things where it's like, man, I'm happy that

789
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: you down here with us.

790
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 6: You down here and it's fire with us, and you

791
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 6: feel it.

792
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: No question, no question. It looked like it. It looked

793
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: like it's made it different it looked like it's where

794
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: he should have been. I'm sure there was something in

795
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: his career that was like I might be able to

796
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: see it better from the booth, right. I think it's

797
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: been been great on all you know, on all fronts,

798
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: and then you got dB.

799
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: I love dB.

800
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: D be one of the best coaches and he never

801
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: get no credit. So I tried to give him love

802
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: at every turn I can. He worked hardest anybody in

803
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: the building. He's always prepped and he's working with the

804
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: safeties usually. And so tell me about your relationship with him.

805
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Man.

806
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: You know, funny thing, man, Me and dB go way back.

807
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 5: dB was when I signed with Jacksonville about seven years ago,

808
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: signed my first deal.

809
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: dB was the first time. That was his first time

810
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 6: in the league.

811
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 5: And man, when I tell you, Sharan, like Man, I

812
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: was a young dude, so you know, you I have

813
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 5: this deal, man, and you know I'm just supposed to

814
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: be this vet guy twenty five years old. Me and dB,

815
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: we always had a great relationship. I just was the

816
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: most mature guy back then. Like you know that comes

817
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 5: with Tom Man. But one thing about dB, man, he

818
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 5: was the same way when I first got in the

819
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 5: league and he's now at this point without him the

820
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: success that we have on the back end. Man, dB

821
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: gets so much credit, man, because he's so he's so

822
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 5: detailed in his work. You coming there, man, whether it's

823
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 5: having us coming there extra, he's giving us nuggets. Well,

824
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: when this stuff showing up in a game, it's really translating.

825
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, man, and I don't think dB get

826
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 5: is enough credit. He another guy who's He's a cash coach,

827
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 5: Cayls Shannon type of guy. He loved sleepy drink, think football.

828
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 5: You can't have a normal conversation without with dB without

829
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 5: him bringing up some football stuff, man, Like you know,

830
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: that's just a testament to how much he loved his

831
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 5: craft and he loved being here. He loved coaching the guys, man,

832
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 5: and the guys riding around him. Now he got the room.

833
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: I know he was the assistant when you was here.

834
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 5: Now he got the room, man. And it's just like

835
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: his vibe is a little different, man, And you respect

836
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 5: the way he moved and Man, I got so much

837
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 5: love for dB.

838
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: Man.

839
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 6: We connected for life for sure, man.

840
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: No question. Yeah, I feel the same way. We still

841
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: text to this day.

842
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: All that he deserves the d c job, and I'm

843
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna start to get some calls. You know

844
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: now that more guys are starting to get its slower.

845
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: Get a OC job, I mean the head coach job.

846
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: He deserves, he deserved, whatever gonna come, d d wait,

847
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 6: no doubt about.

848
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: It, no question. Well, I know it's your I know

849
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: it's time for you to get some rest. I mean,

850
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying this conversation. You know we don't talk

851
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: to you all day. Man, You know I can talk

852
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: to you all day. You played with Sip too, huh

853
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: and ship my god, Yeah, played with sip Man.

854
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah for a.

855
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: I got many funny stories about Sip Man.

856
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: God love for Sip. Don't sit me and sip go way.

857
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 5: Bet that's my dude for sure.

858
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: Though, Boy, Sip Sip Sip a ball hot, but simply

859
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: trying to sting people.

860
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: Boy, simply give you one forty one and forty tackles. Man,

861
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: you put them in that box. Hockey rules may he down.

862
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 6: They're gonna get active, for sure.

863
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Good old hockey rules. Look, Ken would be proud, Kills

864
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: be proud. They put them in for him, them hockey roots.

865
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: They took him to Jacksonville took.

866
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: Him to Jacksonville. Man, good old hockey rules man, SIP

867
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: love it man, SIP got paid, man got pat them

868
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: open rules man.

869
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: No matter.

870
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: I appreciate you though. I appreciate you finally having me. Man.

871
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all get to you know,

872
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, knock on this wall, y'all, get to to

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