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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what? And

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Speaker 1: our special guest today is our dear friend John bucha Grass,

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Speaker 1: one of the great anchors in the history of ESPN

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Speaker 1: and now one of the great hockey guys that our company.

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Speaker 2: Has ever had. Bucci. This is my son, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: I think the last time you saw him was that

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Speaker 1: the Umpire Fantasy Ejection League when he was twelve years old.

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Speaker 2: You heard right, America. We once had an Umpire Ejection

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Speaker 2: Fantasy League at ESPN. There's a fellow named Judson Birch

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Speaker 2: who and I showed up. I first came across Judge

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Speaker 2: and Tim in the ESPN Softball league. They played in

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Speaker 2: the mornings during the week because we're primarily a nocturnal operation,

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Speaker 2: and there's this guy in full get up doing absolute

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got everything. He's got the ball sock,

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Speaker 2: I don't even think the softball in the little baseball bag.

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Speaker 2: And he is taking this very seriously. I was not aware.

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Speaker 2: And over time you get to meet Judson, who loves

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Speaker 2: baseball more than all of us combined. And yeah, he

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Speaker 2: came up with the idea of the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, we drafted umpires obviously based on reputation, and

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Speaker 2: that's another reason why the video replay review it's ruined

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Speaker 2: the umpire Ejection Fantasy League.

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Speaker 1: Let's go anymore, right, Yeah, so, Jeff in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, jud Birch came up to the press box

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Speaker 1: having been down on the field. This is during the

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Speaker 1: World Series in two thousand and three between the Marlins

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Speaker 1: and the Yankees, and he looked at me with a

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Speaker 1: look on his face that can just it was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He says, You're not gonna believe who I just met.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking it was like Derek Jeter is somebody

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Speaker 1: said Angel Hernandez he met it, not Buyer, and he

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Speaker 1: was absolutely he was taken back, like I got to

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Speaker 1: meet him?

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Speaker 2: Is that not Judd Byrd for you, Bucci? Oh? Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And the best part of the umpire Ejection Fantasy League

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Speaker 2: for me was coming up with the name of your team, right, yes,

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Speaker 2: Like one time Tony ran Dazzo missed a call it

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Speaker 2: first and one of my cats phrases was more normally good,

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Speaker 2: So like, you know, here's Aaron Judge normally good, normally good,

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Speaker 2: probably good. And that came from an old Chris Russo

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Speaker 2: Mad Dog Russo bit on w f A N where

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Speaker 2: he's talking about the whole steroids scandal and he was

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Speaker 2: kind of given ESPN an issue because he felt like

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Speaker 2: we weren't questioning some of the players enough and he's

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Speaker 2: and Chris is.

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Speaker 3: Going on not about ESPN. Carl Ravich normally good. That

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Speaker 3: was that was the first normally good? Was Carl Ravich

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Speaker 3: normally good?

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Speaker 2: And now we should have so I would use it

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Speaker 2: during Sports Center. Aaron Judge normally good. Just a guy

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Speaker 2: who normally succeeds but doesn't what And then sometimes it

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Speaker 2: gets silly at night, as you know Tim And there

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Speaker 2: was a Bang Bang play at first and he was

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Speaker 2: called safe but he was obviously out. This is twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago, and I was like Tony Randazzo on Bang

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Speaker 2: Bang plays normally good. I don't have the data on that.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea he might be normally bad. But again,

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Speaker 2: at that point, we're trying to entertain each other late

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Speaker 2: at night, whether it's Judd, Scott Clark or whoever the

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Speaker 2: producer and CP were, and so many things at ESPN

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Speaker 2: come from that deep love of sport, from little kids

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Speaker 2: memorizing box scores, playing pitcher catcher in the backyard with

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Speaker 2: entire lineups. With my next door neighbor Michael Lilja, we

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Speaker 2: would just go the entire lineup on pitch like the

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Speaker 2: pitcher would call balls and strigs. Just play a nine

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Speaker 2: inning game by ourselves with an Andy etcher, Baron ketchersmidt

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Speaker 2: and then whatever glove we had. So it was But yeah,

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Speaker 2: Judd Birch, the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League, I actually forgot

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Speaker 2: about that. You know, I've been there thirty years now,

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Speaker 2: so it's nice to get these reminders about things that

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Speaker 2: have gone on in thirty years. I've now spent more

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Speaker 2: than half my life at ESPN. So the Empire Ejection Fantasy.

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Speaker 1: League, right, right, So Judd had an expression when one

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Speaker 1: of the Phillies hit, it would hit a home or

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Speaker 1: like Ryan Howard, he would sell. He would say, fill

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Speaker 1: thine horn with oil and go.

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Speaker 2: That was his home run call. So when I had

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Speaker 1: It's a Bible versu and he used it for an

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Speaker 1: opposite field.

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Speaker 2: Home run by by Ryan Howard.

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Speaker 1: So the name of my Fantasy Ejection team it was

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Speaker 1: a great umpire named Ed Vargo. So in the name

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Speaker 1: of my team was fill Thine horn with Oil and Vargo, which.

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Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't win.

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Speaker 1: I didn't win the Fantasy league, but I won the

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Speaker 1: most imaginative.

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Speaker 2: Name for a team.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Judge was the one that did all this.

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Speaker 1: Now Bouccie just to finish with Judd. I did not

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Speaker 1: know this until recently. He first off knows the uniform

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Speaker 1: numbers of all the umpires, which is just incredible to me.

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Speaker 1: But when he stins in the stands for a game,

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Speaker 1: which he does all the time, and in the seventh

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Speaker 1: inning stretch strike one, two, three strikes, you're out. He

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Speaker 1: does the call of the home plate umpire that night,

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Speaker 1: what he would say on strike one, what he would

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Speaker 2: Would call his third strike. And it's a different umpire

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Speaker 2: every night. That's what Judd Burg does. Yes, I just

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Speaker 2: found that out.

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Speaker 1: About a month ago, and I thought, Judge, you're one

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Speaker 1: of my best friends in the world. You are the

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Speaker 1: strangest man of all time, but this takes you to

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Speaker 1: another level. He does strike one, two, three strikes, you're

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Speaker 1: out with the call of the home plate umpire.

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Speaker 2: Well, I imagine if dutch Rennet was still umpire and

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Speaker 2: the people behind him screaming in their face.

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Speaker 1: Strike Jeff Judge was the guy that would turn his his,

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Speaker 1: his whole body to the side, like point everything in

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Speaker 1: one direction, scream as loud as he could. And nobody

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Speaker 1: does a better Dutch rheter than jud Birch.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, LUs name was decent. My name was. I thought

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Speaker 2: my name was decent. Phil Cuzy it hurts, I think,

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Speaker 2: I think that another great one. By the way, Phildine

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Speaker 2: Horne with oil and go is from the Book of

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Speaker 2: Samuel for you Bible buffs out there right, so boucie.

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Speaker 1: Just to finish with this ridiculous conversation, Jeff came in

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Speaker 1: once for the Umpire Fantasy Ejection League and he was

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Speaker 1: allowed by Judd to reach in and pull out like

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Speaker 1: who gets the first pick? So Jeffrey was, Jeff, you

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Speaker 1: remember being involved in the process.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I was ill, young enough to be excited to be

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Speaker 4: at ESPN and excited for this, but old enough to

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Speaker 4: be like, these are grown adults.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 4: Do the higher ups know this is happening in a

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Speaker 4: conference room at ESPN. But the higher ups were there

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Speaker 4: and involved, so that was the coolest part. I remember it, Dad,

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Speaker 4: and I remember the energy surrounding the room, and and

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Speaker 4: wasn't just there to entertain jud right, to entertain our

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Speaker 4: really excited to be a part of the umpire Injection League,

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Speaker 4: which is so special.

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Speaker 2: Competitives at our core, we're all competitive people from kids

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Speaker 2: little league, and that's really the genesis of the ESPN,

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Speaker 2: especially in those first ten twenty years. These are people

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Speaker 2: who are serious athletes who reached a point where they

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Speaker 2: weren't going to play pro, but they were big and

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Speaker 2: inner murals, literal league, high school. Some of us made

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Speaker 2: high school varsity teams very competitive place and I mean

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Speaker 2: early on ESPN gambling fantasy leagues. I mean it was rampant.

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Speaker 2: Obviously when things become corporate in the mid nineties. When

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Speaker 2: Walt Disney buys ESPN in nineteen ninety six, the same

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Speaker 2: year I was hired, things slowly that kind of gets,

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Speaker 2: you know, pushed out. I'm not sure ESPN had an

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Speaker 2: but there was all kinds of that that was kind

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Speaker 2: of the crux of the place. It was like your

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Speaker 2: local sports bar. The place in Steubenville, Ohio. Shout out

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Speaker 2: rich Donnelly called the Spot Bar. The name of the

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Speaker 2: bar is the spot Bar. It's a legal operation in

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Speaker 2: this way. Before gambling became legal in the last decade.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking the sixties and seventies and eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 2: next to Lieutenant Flanagan who was there laying sixteen points

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Speaker 2: on the Stubavill Catholic Central to beat justuson Union.

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Speaker 1: That's so great, Steubenville, Bucci. We just had rich Don

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Speaker 1: Ley on our podcast the other day, and of course

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Speaker 1: he told he told the greatest stories ever. He's the

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Speaker 1: greatest batting practice pitcher ever. He's one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: especially those Friday night football games. He's right about all that, though, right,

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Speaker 1: you know all about this, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was born in downtown Pittsburgh, adopted by a

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Speaker 2: their mid twenties. In the early sixties, moved to Indiana, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: in South Boston, Massachusetts, the only Italian in Irish South

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Speaker 2: And so we moved about every seven years. So I

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Speaker 2: moved to Steubenville when I was eleven, and man, Indiana,

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Speaker 2: Pa is kind of this idyllic little college town home

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Speaker 2: with Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life. It looks like

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Speaker 2: And that was probably part of his idea, maybe in

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Speaker 2: lot of Indiana, Pennsylvania in his performance and what the

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Speaker 2: and woo, that was a slap in the face. This

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Speaker 2: I still kind of have. That's how they still mill Town.

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Speaker 2: I don't really have my Steubenville, Ohio Valley Pittsburgh accent.

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Speaker 2: This kind of amalgamation of an accent Western pa Ohio

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Speaker 2: a crazy place of characters. Dean Martin's from there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just this is still in the seventies and eight

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Speaker 2: You know, there's like prostitution houses in the spot bar

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Speaker 2: and this is like the eighties, and you know, the

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Speaker 2: high school kids can buy alcohol at the corner. They're

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Speaker 2: like fifteen years olders go buy a twelve pack. Like

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Speaker 2: that literally happened. It was unbelieved. So if characters like

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Speaker 2: Ridge Darley and the characters he talks about are real,

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Speaker 2: and my my friends are the funniest people in the world,

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Speaker 2: they all should be sitcom stars and stand up comedians.

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Speaker 2: Just the characters from this again Polish, Italian, Irish. This

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Speaker 2: is this big melting pot, little Pittsburgh they called it.

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Speaker 2: So it was a blessing to end up there. I

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Speaker 2: still go back, and I played golf with Rich almost

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Speaker 2: first learned to play golf. My dad's address when we

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Speaker 2: moved to Stubenville four or five two for Fairway drive.

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Speaker 2: So if you're a young kid and you just move,

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Speaker 2: you lose all your friends and you're trying to make

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Speaker 1: Right Boochie, back to Willie Startled for a minute, and

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine Judd having to handle something like that.

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Speaker 2: The Phillies fan as the Arbiture of Pittsburgh Pirate Knowledge.

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Speaker 2: But I have some other show and tells. I like

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Speaker 1: Jeff on the Chris Mullin scoop off of a building

435
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Speaker 1: and then bounced in the basket on one bucci. When

436
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Speaker 1: he threw it up against the giant side of the building,

437
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Speaker 1: he announced, tell me when it goes in the basket,

438
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Speaker 1: and like a second and a half later, it went

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Speaker 1: in the basket like he already knew it was going

440
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Speaker 1: to happen.

441
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: It should be that it should be shown on a loop.

442
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: It's like Jack Nicholas, my favorite Jack Nicholas video. He's

443
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Speaker 2: like seventy years old. He just designed a course. He's

444
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: got this what one hundred foot putt that goes over

445
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: like a picture's mind another picture's mound, and Johnny Miller's like, Jack,

446
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: this is a stupid hole. This is a dumb green

447
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: this puts. I don't know how to hit this putt.

448
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: Nicholas waddles down. It's all you can find it. It's

449
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Speaker 2: not hard. He watched. It's one of my favorite videos

450
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Speaker 2: of all time. It's the greatest athletic feet after Chris

451
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Speaker 2: Mullen I've ever seen. The guy's like seventy five, you know,

452
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Speaker 2: if he's not even he's twelve or twenty five or thirty.

453
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Speaker 2: Jack Nicholas in his prime. This is one hundred and

454
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Speaker 2: twenty foot pot it's not a ten foot twenty footer,

455
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Speaker 2: and it's all over these miles like a roller coaster

456
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Speaker 2: and it goes right in the middle. It's like, and

457
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Speaker 2: there's a crowd there right because they're like, I'm veiling

458
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Speaker 2: this new golf course that Jack Nicholas just designed and

459
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Speaker 2: Johnny Miller's there and he's given Jack little twerp and

460
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Speaker 2: a chirp, and it goes right in. It's unbelievable. Like, no,

461
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Speaker 2: that's no accident, he says.

462
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Speaker 4: He says, you want me to show you how to

463
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Speaker 4: putt it, and he just throws the way you would

464
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Speaker 4: do it in a putt and green. He just throws

465
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Speaker 4: the ball, kind of rolls up. He looks at it

466
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Speaker 4: for what two maybe a second, and then just kind

467
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Speaker 4: of goes.

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Speaker 2: It goes in twenty foot button. It's a big backswing

469
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Speaker 2: with his putter. It's a long putt and it doesn't

470
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Speaker 2: even react.

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Speaker 4: The crowd is going wild because they saw seventy year

472
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Speaker 4: old hit this. But in this amazing bo it's one

473
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Speaker 4: of my favorite videos ever.

474
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Speaker 2: Oh it's so good post. Yeah.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only done baseball essentially in my career. But

476
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Speaker 1: you have done baseball, basketball, football, golf, hockey, everything. Give

477
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Speaker 1: me another guy that you have met along the way

478
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Speaker 1: where you recognize, Oh my gosh, I'm going to interview

479
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: this guy on live TV or you know, from the

480
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Speaker 1: studio whatever.

481
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Speaker 2: And this is a guy that I worshiped growing up.

482
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Speaker 1: That there has to be somebody like that in one

483
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Speaker 1: of those sports where you said, Bucci, I'm talking to

484
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Speaker 1: this guy right now?

485
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Speaker 5: Who is that guy?

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would look towards the older guys right

487
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Speaker 2: when they're because they were not as accessible. We didn't

488
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Speaker 2: have as much television, We didn't have as much inventory

489
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Speaker 2: of things. Yet I always talk about, you know, being

490
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Speaker 2: a music fan. When I was, like in the seventies

491
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Speaker 2: and eighties, we didn't have a lot of inventory of

492
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Speaker 2: music to choose from. So we only had twenty years

493
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Speaker 2: of rock and roll. Where the kids nowadays, you know,

494
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Speaker 2: they have seventy. So it's kind of you know, we

495
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: kind of chirped the kids like, you know what, you've

496
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: never heard of Earth Wind and Fire, or you never

497
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Speaker 2: heard of Donnie and Marie or you know, or led Zeppelin.

498
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Speaker 2: You don't know who led. But they have seventy years

499
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Speaker 2: in inventory. It's harder for them. We had very limited

500
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: There was a very limited video. We saw the same

501
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Speaker 2: things on television over and over again. So they become

502
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Speaker 2: really legend and myth because there just wasn't a lot

503
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Speaker 2: And so when I got to interview someone like Maurice

504
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Speaker 2: Rocket Rashard not a Canadian fan. This is the late nineties. Again,

505
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Speaker 2: I'm at that point. I'm probably still more of a

506
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Speaker 2: baseball guy than a hockey guy. Again, I grew up

507
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Speaker 2: loving every sport. I just happened to all, you know,

508
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Speaker 2: like most kids in America, football, basketball, baseball. I just

509
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: happened because my dad was from Boston. Added hockey, which

510
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: turned out great for my career because I knew the rules,

511
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Speaker 2: the knowledge, the players, the history, the feel I played

512
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: a little bit so understood. That gives you a little

513
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: bit of insight on the difficulty. But to my rocketshard,

514
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: he's a black and white athlete. I call him right

515
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: Like all his video, his still pictures, they're all black

516
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Speaker 2: and white. That's like a whole different level of mysticism romanticism.

517
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: So someone like that, where now everyone is so accessible,

518
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: we've lost a little bit of that magic. Like if

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Speaker 2: I were to see Tom I never met Tom sever,

520
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: but like to meet Tom Sever that would be a

521
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Speaker 2: huge deal to me. To meet Michael Jordan would not

522
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: as much. It would be I haven't met him either.

523
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Speaker 2: I'd enjoy that. It'd be a short list of like

524
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Speaker 2: probably five people they were like, Wow, this is really cool,

525
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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't have the same effect as meeting Tom

526
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Speaker 2: sever in nineteen eighty nine. They were just different levels

527
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Speaker 2: of that romanticism and mysticism. And Rocket Rashard was the

528
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Speaker 2: one athlete I can think of from that era forties

529
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Speaker 2: and the fifties that I got to interview amazing.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Tell Bouchier, Tom sever story from Cooperstown.

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Speaker 4: So we used to go to the Hall of Fame

532
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Speaker 4: induction every single year as a family, me, my sister.

533
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Speaker 2: And my parents.

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Speaker 4: I know, and the first and I don't know how

535
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Speaker 4: this happened, and I as now a thirty two year old.

536
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Speaker 4: I don't know how this conversation went. But the first

537
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Speaker 4: year that my mom and my sister didn't go is

538
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Speaker 4: widely known as arguably the greatest induction year of all time,

539
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Speaker 4: that of Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. I don't

540
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: know why that year they were like, I think we're good.

541
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Speaker 4: So I went with my dad on my own. It

542
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: was the most amazing trip of all time. I was thirteen, twelve,

543
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Speaker 4: thirteen years old, and I got to go to the

544
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Speaker 4: dinner that happens right after the parade. So they parade

545
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Speaker 4: in and all the Hall of Famers are there. It's

546
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Speaker 4: pretty amazing. Well, here I am. I kind of lost

547
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Speaker 4: my dad in the crowd, but I'm holding my own

548
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: and I talked to Tom Seaver and his wife. We

549
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: were in the black room and we're talking about my

550
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Speaker 4: love for theater and my love for performing and my

551
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Speaker 4: love for and they're asking all these quotes, when's your

552
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Speaker 4: next show?

553
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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

554
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, my dad sees me yucking

555
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 4: it up tomceiver and kind of looks at me afterwards,

556
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: and you know, comes in to make sure I'm not

557
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Speaker 4: bothering them or do they need to be saved or

558
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Speaker 4: do I need to be saying whatever it might be.

559
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Speaker 4: Here's just talking about nicely, nicely Johnson and guys and dolls.

560
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Speaker 2: Boochie. It was incredible. Nancy was his wife's name, Nancy?

561
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Speaker 1: Nancy, Yes, of course?

562
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Speaker 2: Why yeah, my head to go, I think, Dancy, Why

563
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: would I still be in my brain? But that's you

564
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Speaker 2: once told me.

565
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Speaker 1: I asked you once, how do you know all this stuff?

566
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Speaker 1: And you just told me simply, I pay attention and

567
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Speaker 1: you do. But that day we saw Tom Seaver get

568
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Speaker 1: this Gus Ramsey, formerly of ESPN. He and his dad,

569
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: Wally were there, so we had this great conversation, but

570
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Speaker 1: it took about ten years of me knowing Gus Ramsey

571
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Speaker 1: before he told me that he once caught Tom Sever

572
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Speaker 1: in his driveway. Tom Sever was gonna make a comeback

573
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Speaker 1: after retiring, and he goes over to Wally Ramsey's house

574
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Speaker 1: because he wants to start to get loose, So he

575
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Speaker 1: says to Gus.

576
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Speaker 2: Can you catch me in the driveway.

577
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Speaker 1: So Gus got his giant first basement's mitt, went out

578
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Speaker 1: and caught Tom Sever in the driveway and did okay,

579
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Speaker 1: And then Tom Seaver said now I'm gonna throw some sliders,

580
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Speaker 1: and Gus is thinking, oh my god, I'm gonna catch

581
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Speaker 1: a slider from Tom Sever. Bouccie, you would have introduced

582
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Speaker 1: yourself to people, wouldn't you have saying, oh hi, I'm

583
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Speaker 1: John Butcher.

584
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Speaker 2: Graz I once caught Tom.

585
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Speaker 5: Sever in the driveway.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong? That's the first thing. Yeah? That was Greenwich, Connecticut,

587
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: down where in fact the nicely he showed me a

588
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Speaker 2: picture of it. He's either a family member or I

589
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Speaker 2: thought it was even maybe you just you know, Gus

590
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: grew up with Bill Simmons, of course, and he might

591
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Speaker 2: have been there that day too. I think they must

592
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: might have been hanging out together. But I saw the

593
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Speaker 2: picture of sever throwing to Gus in the driveway. He

594
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Speaker 2: once brought that in. But you're right, I lead with that.

595
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: I lead with that bit of information. I never played

596
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Speaker 2: catch with a big leaguer in my life, so that

597
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: was and that would have been something.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, Buccie, I don't know anything about hockey, I'm

599
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Speaker 1: ashamed to say, but I did meet Wayne Gretzky in

600
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. He was having dinner at a dear friend

601
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: of mine, Matt McCoy's house in LA and Wayne Gretzky

602
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: walks in and it's going to eat dinner with us

603
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Speaker 1: at my buddy Matt's house. And he introduces himself and says, Hi,

604
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Speaker 1: I'm Wayne, Like no kidding. He I was just mesmerized

605
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Speaker 1: sitting next to a guy who was at the time

606
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Speaker 1: and maybe still is the greatest hockey player of all time.

607
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Speaker 1: And not like I know anything about hockey. But the

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Speaker 1: Russian coach once said after playing against Gretzky, he said,

609
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: you see him, then he disappears, then there's a goal.

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00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Does that accurately? Does that accurately describe to uh? Wayne

611
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Gretzy to you a great hockey guy. Does that Does

612
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Speaker 1: that mean something?

613
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I've always been kind of drawn to the smart athletes.

614
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: I like to watch smarts in action. And no one

615
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: had better spatial awareness than Wayne Gretzky. You know, wasn't

616
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Speaker 2: the biggest, strongest, fastest, shot at hardest, just a he

617
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: paid attention to everything. You know, he grew up on

618
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: a backyard rink, so he probably developed a lot of

619
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Speaker 2: innate instinctual things. Didn't have drills. He used to watch

620
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Speaker 2: games on TV and kind of draw where the puck

621
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Speaker 2: went and where it was going, so he knew it

622
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Speaker 2: where it was going to go. When he played the

623
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Speaker 2: old line, don't go where the puck is, go where

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Speaker 2: it's going to go. And uh, you know that's like

625
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Derek Jeter when he made the famous cutoff play in Oakland.

626
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Speaker 2: He wasn't going where the ball was. He was going

627
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Speaker 2: where the ball is going to go. That's why he

628
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: just felt like, I should probably roam in that area.

629
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Speaker 2: Nothing might happen to nine out of one hundred times,

630
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: nothing's going to happen. But in that moment the ball

631
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: came to him, he was able to make the play

632
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: go where the ball was going to go go where

633
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: the puck is going to be, That's where you go next.

634
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: And he understood patterns, and that was as a young kid,

635
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: you drawing on watching the game on TV and then

636
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: implementing it in this obviously his own innate spatial awareness

637
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, hockey is a game of spatial awareness.

638
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Hockey sense they call it because it's a fast moving

639
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: game and you need to be half a step ahead.

640
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: So the term hockey sense was big growing up. You

641
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: don't hear it as much anymore. Players are more skillful today,

642
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: but they don't have as much hockey sense. Baseball is

643
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: probably a lot in the same line, where pitchers throw

644
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: it faster, players hit it harder, But do they play

645
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: like Dustin Pedroia and Derek Jeter, the two smartest players

646
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: of my ESPN run in terms of watching guys think

647
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: the game in every pitch and again, every single pitch

648
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: they're in every pitch, never took a pitch off to

649
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: anticipate just in case where the ball was going to go.

650
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Give them just a little clue, a little information to

651
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: maybe I could will help me make a play.

652
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: So we had Tom Glavin on the podcast, and we

653
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: had him Dad, remind me, I think it was right

654
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: during the NHL draft.

655
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: It must have been last year, Yes, and it was again.

656
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: You know, we had will Zalatorus on, we talked about hypotheticals,

657
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: so non baseball related. When we had Glavin on, we

658
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: talked about hockey for twenty minutes. Have you in that crossover, Nate, Like,

659
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: who's an athlete you love talking a different sport with?

660
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Speaker 4: Is it Glavin? Because he you know, he got drafted

661
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: above Brett Hull, right, Dad, So I mean.

662
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: He did, Bucie.

663
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Speaker 1: We famously asked him, stupid Tim Kirkchin hypothetical, if we

664
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Speaker 1: gave him ten penalty shots, you know, we'll give him

665
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: half an hour to get in shape at age sixty

666
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: whatever he is, is, how many penalty shots could he

667
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: score on an NHL goalie when knowing, you know, forty

668
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: years earlier he was a great hockey player. So Tom Glavin,

669
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, the most modest man in the world, he said,

670
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: I might be able to score one. Does that sound

671
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: about right, Buccie? That these NHL hockey goalies are just

672
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: so ridiculously good that even Tom Glavin.

673
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Speaker 2: Would have trouble scoring once? Does that sound right to you?

674
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, I saw Tommy at Sean McDonough's annual

675
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: charity golf tournament here in New England last year. We

676
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: talked about getting drafted a little bit of hockey talk

677
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: as well, and yeah, I remember ESPN. We used to

678
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 2: have a little pickup game. This is back in two

679
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: thousand and one Stanley Cup final, when Ray Bork finally

680
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: won his Stanley Cup. I got to know him and

681
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: work at ESBN and play some golf with them, and

682
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: so we got out there once. So we're doing some

683
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 2: on ice demonstration, so we decided to have a little

684
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, shootout on Darren Pang, the former NHL goalie

685
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: five foot three inches tall, right Rookie of the Year finalists,

686
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: the smallest goalie ever practically, and I would and we

687
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: always just came out on him and you know, tried

688
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: different little shootout moves and I did again. I can

689
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: always skate played a little bit. Wasn't Tom Glavin level,

690
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: but to come up you think it would be, especially

691
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: this little guy. Plus he's you know, forty eight years

692
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: old at the time and he's five foot three and

693
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: he's not playing a lot of goalie. But there was

694
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Speaker 2: no chance, like zero chance. So yeah, so Tom Glavin

695
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: coming down on Sergei, Bobrovsky or you know, Henrik Lundquist

696
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: and his prime, Yeah, probably not going to happen, you know,

697
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: like I said, maybe a bar down off a crossbar

698
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: or something. But it really is the level of skill

699
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: of all these athletes at each of their positions. It's

700
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: hard for the average fan to really understand because obviously

701
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: they're playing with like minded and like athletic ridden players.

702
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: So everything's going to kind of slow down because there's

703
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: no there's not that this parity of talent, like if

704
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: they jump into a high school game then you would

705
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: see it. They're all pretty close enough to make it

706
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: look even easier because why can't that guy just do that? Right? So, yeah,

707
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: that was I do believe that it would be very hard,

708
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: as great as Tommy was in hockey to do to

709
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Speaker 2: score on an NHL goalie.

710
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: Right again, Bouchie, it's all about the levels. And speaking

711
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: of the levels, Boochie, would you please explain to my

712
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: son Jeff and to all our listeners the annual deal

713
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: that you would have where you would eat something before

714
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: one show per year before you go host Sports Center.

715
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: Would you please explain what I'm talking about and why

716
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: you would possibly do that. It's one of the most

717
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: impressive things I've ever heard.

718
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, bucket of chicken night. It really began with Stan

719
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Forrette not believing that I could eat an entire bucket

720
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: of chicken. I've always been very skinny, at a hard

721
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: time gaining weight in high school. In college, I was

722
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: a late bloomer and I wanted to be a big, strong,

723
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: strapping athlete. It was difficult for me. A hard gainer,

724
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: as they call it. Hard to gain weight, hard to

725
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: gain muscle in the gym just didn't come natural. And

726
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: so and so, I think people look at us and

727
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: feel like we can't eat because we don't eat enough. No,

728
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: I eat plenty. I would sit down in college and

729
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: have five bowls of cereal in a row before I

730
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: even went and got in the breakfast line, like I

731
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: could eat. I had a big appetite. And plus us

732
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: skinny guys, we have the advantage in these eating contests

733
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: because our stomachs can expand we have room to grow.

734
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Speaker 2: So to eat a bucket of chicken, in my mind,

735
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: you know that was no. But Stan just didn't believe it.

736
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: So I said, I'm going to do it. Right now,

737
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to drive down to Queen Street and Subbington

738
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: and get me a puppet of chicken, and I'm going

739
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: to eat it here while we write Sports Center, and

740
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: then we're going to go to do Sports Center. And

741
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: so I would do it once a year and then eventually,

742
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, the producers at ESPN, we do so much television,

743
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: they're looking for anything to maybe give them not a

744
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: night off. But what can we do different? What can

745
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: we do? So they kind of started to run with

746
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: bucket and Chicken Knight, and you know, we would talk

747
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: about it, and they would put up a full screen,

748
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, with how many calories and saturated fat and

749
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: sodium that I had that night. It was a full

750
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: screen from like a Baseball Tonight, full scream with my stats.

751
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: You know, my war that night was off the chart,

752
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: so twenty nine point six. So yeah, so I would

753
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: just do it, and then I would have everyone signed

754
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: the bucket who was a part of the show. I

755
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: got like nine buckets downstairs in my office. So yeah,

756
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: we again, those are things we did at Sports Center.

757
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: It was just a great little communal thing. Always we

758
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: would quiz with the young production assistants. They get out

759
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: of college, they want to work at ESPN. They're twenty

760
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: three to twenty four to twenty five. That first level.

761
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: You watch a game, you do the highlights, and you

762
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: come give the shot sheet to the anchor and say

763
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: here's here's Yankees raise anything great happened? And what happened here?

764
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: And Gus Ramsey was great with these reindeer games. Like

765
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: we would say, okay, we asked the next ten, pas,

766
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: can they name the Four Beatles? How many can do

767
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: it out of the next ten, and we would wager

768
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: on that and like I got one, you know, I'm

769
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: gonna go three. And we would ask them to see

770
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: if they could. And again this is more and this

771
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: is back in the late nineties. So the Beatles only

772
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: broken up for twenty five years. It's not like now,

773
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: I get it. It's harder. Although, being a good parent,

774
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: I've instructed my son Jack on the Four Beatles and

775
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: he can identify their singing voice, all right, Jack, who

776
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: is that John, Paul or George and occasionally Ringo. So yeah,

777
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: that's the that's the important part of parenting. Give them

778
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: some things that will give them a step ahead. My

779
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: son can name the four Beatles, but so little things

780
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, Bucket of Chicken Night was one

781
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: of those things. You just anything that you know, we're

782
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: there late at night, day after day till one two am.

783
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: How can we make this fun? How can we make

784
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: this a little more enjoyable here in amongst our cubicle

785
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: with this crazy job that we're lucky to have. We

786
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: were in the toy department of life. It is such

787
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: a blessing and we're so grateful, and so yeah, bucket

788
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: a chicken Night was a thing. I think I should

789
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: probably retire from it. I learned the first couple of

790
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: times i'd get it, I would get so dehydrated. I

791
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: was like very concerned. I would have a help out.

792
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: So now I go into it. When I do go

793
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: into it, maybe I'll do one more. I fast all

794
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: day so like I don't eat, drink a lot of water.

795
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: So that makes it really easy. Because a couple of

796
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: times I have finished and didn't want to. It was

797
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: like this is a battle. Now, this is an absolute

798
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: fath But what we did and we did and now

799
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: boujie chicken parm is your thing? Have I have I

800
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: overrated this? But what what is the deal with Chicken parm.

801
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: Nobody loves chicken par more than I do.

802
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: So where did that come from? Yeah? I really think

803
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: I single handedly brought chicken par into the forefront of

804
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: the American consciousness. I really do when I when esp

805
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: And brought me in to do my you know, when

806
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: you send in your resume tape, I said it in

807
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, never expected to get a call back.

808
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: I just saw this article in the USA Today. This

809
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: guy's name Al jaffe His job was to look at

810
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: resume tapes. I happened to go into work that day

811
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: at Channel twelve in Providence. I happen to see this

812
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: USA Today on someone's desk. It was a little profile

813
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: on Al Jaffie. People send him tapes. He looks at

814
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: him and you know, they might file him away if

815
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: they think someone has a shot or something. And I go, oh,

816
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: look at that. You know, especially at that time, you

817
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: couldn't get to people. There's no real internet yet, there's

818
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: no emails, like how do I get to somebody? How

819
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: do I apply for a job to work in baseball

820
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: or anywhere? Now you can email on GM, you know,

821
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: you can direct message, you can direct message will Zalatorus

822
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: on Instagram. You know so, but I saw this article

823
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: and a guy that's his job. Why don't I send

824
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: a tape there? Just because? On a whim? And that's

825
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: because you know again, now kid might want some work

826
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: for Apple. Why do I send Apple or resume? Who's gonna?

827
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: But I think, well, our job is different. It's actually

828
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: on a video so they can see you, they can

829
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: see your work. So yeah, I'll send a tape down Jaffee,

830
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: never even thinking twice about it. Two months later they

831
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: call me, Oh my goodness, and they want to come

832
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: for a tryout. So you drive out night before, stay

833
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: in the hotel across the street, and used to you

834
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: write a little ten minute sports center. You do sports Center,

835
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: You go to Chili's, you come back, talk with three executives,

836
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: and you go home. It's like an eight to nine

837
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: to five tryout night. Before I go up, there's a

838
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: place called val Turno's right next door. They had this

839
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: thing Chicken parmeersan I didn't grow up like I grew

840
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: up with McDonald's. Was a good night out in Indiana, Pennsylvania.

841
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: Same with Stupidville. There's no nice restaurants. I went to

842
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: my first steakhouse. I was thirty four when I had

843
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: my first state at ESPN. I didn't grow up with

844
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: chicken parmers, and I never heard of chicken parmy shop. Ah,

845
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: this is good. You know, why did my mom make

846
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: chicken park We had spaghetti's and meatballs, angel hair and meatballs.

847
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: That was our Italian dinner, you know, And it just

848
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: felt it just this is amazing, and and so I

849
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: just kind of and then when Ray Ferraro shout out

850
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Ray on the other side Ray Ferraro, NHL of four

851
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: hundred eight career goals and now works at ESPN, he says, yeah,

852
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: a lot of hockey players like chicken parm in the

853
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: afternoon because he had a little carbs, a little proteins,

854
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: just kind of a good meal before their nap or

855
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: after their nap to get ready for the game at night.

856
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: I said, oh, wow, that's that makes a lot of

857
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: sense too. So then it became kind of like, oh,

858
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: after I work out, awesome chicken parm So I just thought, so,

859
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, i'd say winter winter chicken dinner. I was

860
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: like kind of the first person to say that on TV.

861
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, your chicken dinner should trade. I should have

862
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: trademarked it. I would not be working today, but then

863
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: I would add, you know, winter Winter chicken Farm dinner,

864
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: and then just became kind of thing with you know,

865
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: with with Twitter starting Instagram, you kind of threw a

866
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: picture of oh look, I made chicken parm and then

867
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 2: someone would make one and they asked me to rate it.

868
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: And then it just because like so many things like

869
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: bucking a Chicken Nite or other things at ESPN, they

870
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: happen organically. That's what everything about me just kind of

871
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: happens based on of fun. When I was in college,

872
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I would rank the top twelve intermural basketball teams at

873
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: Heidelberg College. I would put it on the cafeteria door

874
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: every Monday. People could not wait to see that top

875
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: ten UPI I think I call it like the upi APA,

876
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, ap top ten innermural Heidelberg basketball teams. And

877
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: they would love that. And I just always enjoyed doing

878
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: fun stuff like that. And that's how you know, the

879
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: Bucci Overtime Challenge. Never expected that, the college hockey, the

880
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: chicken palm, It's just based out of fun. And that's

881
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: kind of like what I do on Twitter. I think

882
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: that's people kind of sense that it's authentic. It's just

883
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: me having a good time. I have no planning meetings

884
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: about how can I market this. I don't think about

885
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: that stuff.

886
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 5: I just do it.

887
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: Like like what the umpire ejection fantasy league or anything

888
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: like that. It's just based out of fun, camaraderie, ship

889
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: almost like a family familiar type of you know, cohesion

890
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: that you just that's what life's about, right, It's about

891
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: loving the person next to you, having a good time,

892
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: pushing each other, achieving a goal. I'm doing good work

893
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: whether you're a writer or an editor or a broadcaster,

894
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: and just creating things. I've always been kind of a

895
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: creative mindset.

896
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: Right, Boocie last one for me. We could keep you

897
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: for five hours. And I'm sure I've got the wrong guy.

898
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: But one of the great cohesion stories that I heard

899
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: at ESPN was guys did a hockey game one night

900
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: and Ray Ferraro went out. I may not be Ray Ferraro,

901
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: it's not important. And they go out to a bar afterwards,

902
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: and they get there right before closing time and they're

903
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: like six guys there, so and the bar is going

904
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: to close. The guy goes all right, it's last call.

905
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: So Ray Ferraro said, all right, I want to give

906
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: me thirty six beers.

907
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: So we ordered thirty six beers because it was last

908
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 5: call and everyone wanted to have He wanted everyone to

909
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 5: have like a six pack before they went home.

910
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Am I right about this? Is the story? Right? And

911
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: was it? Ray Ferraro? It sounds like right. Well, as

912
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, after games, after shows, it's hard to find food, right.

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: And that's where players in broadcasters have a lot in common.

914
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: We're in an adrenalized state. We prepared all day for

915
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: this game. At night, we kind of reserve our kind

916
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: of energy batteries to make sure we peak at that time.

917
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: And then the game is happening. We're riding the emotions

918
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: with it. Our brains, our synapses are fully firing to

919
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: make sure we get the story right. Call the goal right,

920
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: describe the action right. You're also a competitor. You're a perfectionist.

921
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: You want to do a good job, you want a

922
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: good final product, you want a great column. It happens,

923
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: and you're so you're still in this heightened adrenalized state,

924
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: but you're also the come down kind of starts as well,

925
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: and you just need something. You need to talk, You

926
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: need other humans to kind of to get out of

927
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: your head and talk to and talk about what we

928
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: just did, what we just saw, and just kind of

929
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: bring it down to get back to that that you

930
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: want to get back to, regressing to your boring human

931
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: mean And so yeah, those you go out and you

932
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: do anything for food, anything, you know, and I mean

933
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 2: rich Lerner, I just he just wrote a great book

934
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: on golf. The Golf Channel broadcaster talked about that, and

935
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: he couldn't find food. It was a late night, it

936
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: was an early morning. He had to eat breakfast. It

937
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: clothed after his morning hit, and he went to a

938
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: local gas station. There was Pepperoni pizza rotating underneath that

939
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: incandescent light or whatever it is, and that was his

940
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: breakfast because he had to eat. You know, we have

941
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: to eat at night and have a couple of drinks

942
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: at night to get together and bond over our experience

943
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: and share it with wondering. That's what this is about, right,

944
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: It's about sharing, and that's why we play sports. That's

945
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: why we work at ESPN, that's why we do podcasts together.

946
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: While we're we have friends to begin with. Is that

947
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: that's sharing. And I've always said it's better to love

948
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: than be loved. That's the great gift to actually love.

949
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: For me, I prefer to love then be lomd And

950
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: that's what that to me, That feeling is what it's

951
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: all about.

952
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: It's so good, Bouchie all right, if you get the

953
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: last word here with our great guest today.

954
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: Now I was gonna say, I think he summed it

955
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: up perfectly. This has been a joy a guest that

956
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: has been on our list since the very beginning of

957
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: our podcast.

958
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: And to have you on for a.

959
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 4: Little show and tell that was awesome. And there's Mickey.

960
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

961
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. Thank you great members with Tim

962
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: at ESPN, just just the best