Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ, Buck
Speaker 1: with you Buck. We are we're closing in.
Speaker 2: Dude, I mean we hear DJ.
Speaker 3: The conversations and stuff are coming fast and furious. Uh
Speaker 3: is lying season, so you're trying to kind of figure
Speaker 3: out what's real and what's fade. But it's an exciting
Speaker 3: time because we got less than a week. Well, we
Speaker 3: got a week before the draft, and we'll kind of
Speaker 3: have all of it put to bed soon.
Speaker 1: In we've got we've got a bunch of ground of
Speaker 1: cover day, We've got Bucks Top five, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: jump into that. But before we get there, let's kick
Speaker 1: things off here. It's time for Hot or Not, brought
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Speaker 1: kind of the the rumors and the information that's floating around.
Speaker 1: I joked that during this time of the year, I
Speaker 1: start my day every day with a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: and three lives. You know, like what you're hearing from teams, like,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where we are. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but to me, it is interesting, you know, making phone
Speaker 1: calls around the league, and you know, the main conversation
Speaker 1: that I have with teams is who's going to be
Speaker 1: there when we pick, Like that's that's all they want
Speaker 1: to know. That's what they're looking to get from us
Speaker 1: during this time of the year. And then in return,
Speaker 1: like I get some you know, medical character stuff on
Speaker 1: guys that could fall could drops, which is helpful as
Speaker 1: we get towards the draft, and you kind of get
Speaker 1: a sense of teams that are picking in different areas
Speaker 1: of the draft, where they think guys outside of their
Speaker 1: range are going, and how they have them stacked, how
Speaker 1: their coaches viewed them. And one one, I don't say
Speaker 1: it's a rumor. I think it's a fact. Buck in
Speaker 1: talking to teams. It's somewhat like this in years where
Speaker 1: teams have quarterbacks that those teams tend to kind of
Speaker 1: pooh pooh the class. But man, I don't remember it
Speaker 1: like this, Like there's a lot of teams out there
Speaker 1: who think cam Ward is the only first round quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of teams and those aren't the
Speaker 1: quarterback teams. So take them for what it is.
Speaker 3: So let's let's be real because I think sometimes DJ
Speaker 3: we've been doing the media part of it for so
Speaker 3: long that sometimes it's easy when we're on TV to
Speaker 3: get away from the true ideals and the true values
Speaker 3: that we have as scouts. And I'll be honest when
Speaker 3: I go through and I look at my grades on
Speaker 3: cam Ward Shoulder all those guys, what that would rate
Speaker 3: in a in a draft meeting room. Bottom of the
Speaker 3: first round grades, That's what it would be. Now, we've
Speaker 3: talked about in recent years, like guys get pushed up whatever,
Speaker 3: which is more of a media thing or whatever. But
Speaker 3: if your team in need of a quarterback and cam
Speaker 3: Ward is the best quarterback on your board, you have
Speaker 3: to take him whenever you're picking.
Speaker 2: That's just what it is. But in terms of how.
Speaker 3: These guys stack up, how they stack up traditionally over
Speaker 3: those guys, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 2: I don't believe anybody in this class is a transcendent quarterback.
Speaker 3: There's no one that I would have that would that
Speaker 3: I would suggest has the wild factor that the elite
Speaker 3: of the elite quarterback prospects that we've drafted half.
Speaker 2: That's just a fact.
Speaker 3: But every year is a year that you have to evaluate,
Speaker 3: and these are the quarterbacks in this class. And so
Speaker 3: you have to figure out who's the best of the class.
Speaker 3: And if I need one and I haven't gotten one
Speaker 3: in free agency, I got to take one, and I
Speaker 3: got to make it. I got to make the best
Speaker 3: out of what I get, meaning I get them, I
Speaker 3: got to surround them with the other stuff to allow
Speaker 3: him to be successful.
Speaker 2: And that's just how it goes.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I wouldn't say that this is a
Speaker 3: class that they hail like the nineteen eighty three class
Speaker 3: with you know, Jim Kelly and Elwick.
Speaker 2: It's not a class. So that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And though in regards to that the sentiment we're
Speaker 1: a little over week out, this is the where we are.
Speaker 1: This is everybody that I've talked to, and kind of
Speaker 1: looking at the situation, I would feel comfortable saying this.
Speaker 1: I believe that cam Ward at this point in time,
Speaker 1: is the only quarterback who will be a team's first
Speaker 1: pick in this draft, if that makes sense. In other words, Jackson,
Speaker 1: dart Shade, or Sanders I think will be a team
Speaker 1: second pick. Now that doesn't mean they don't go in
Speaker 1: the first round. They could easily teams come back up
Speaker 1: and take them. But they're gonna hold up the jersey
Speaker 1: and have the press conference with another player first, and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna introduce the quarterback they took with their
Speaker 1: next pick. Like, that's that's where it looks now a
Speaker 1: week out. If that, if that, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: tracking with me there.
Speaker 3: I'm tracking with you because I think here's the other thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna ask you this, DJ, who are the
Speaker 3: elites in the draft?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: How many guys do you think are the elite prospects
Speaker 3: in this draft class? I said they were five, but
Speaker 3: I said they were five and in whatever order you
Speaker 3: want to list them. I had Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter,
Speaker 3: I think Aston Genty is there, Tyler Warren, and then
Speaker 3: I put Jalen Walker.
Speaker 1: Now, and I had Love the only one I had
Speaker 1: in that mix with Love one I had.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's six. So so that's that's a reasonable expectation.
Speaker 3: So just think about it. In most years we talked
Speaker 3: about eight maybe ten being elite. We talked about eighteen
Speaker 3: to twenty two first rounders. What that says is this
Speaker 3: is a draft that doesn't have like a's and a plus.
Speaker 3: It's more of an anus Beef's draft and depending upon
Speaker 3: what you need and how it fits. That's how it
Speaker 3: works when it comes to the quarterbacks. If we were
Speaker 3: doing the vertical board where we're ranking them, so your
Speaker 3: top fifty is what we would call a vertical board
Speaker 3: where you draft, you just ranking them from one to
Speaker 3: fifty based on grade, not worrying about position. Where those
Speaker 3: guys listed. Where's kemboard listed on your board?
Speaker 1: Hey like, well, to me when this draft, he's like
Speaker 1: my eighth or ninth guy. But I mean he, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what this draft say. He's got the same grade.
Speaker 1: He's got the same grade. Like to me, if I'm
Speaker 1: pulling up, pulled up right now, so like full transparency,
Speaker 1: he was, I think I gave him a sixty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I gave him a sixty four. And then I
Speaker 1: have like put it in perspective, Quinn Shawn Judkins. This
Speaker 1: is how like this is the this is the kind
Speaker 1: of the parody of the draft. Quinn Shawn Judkins. I
Speaker 1: gave a sixty four as a running back. Quin Shawn
Speaker 1: Judkins is my thirty eighth player.
Speaker 2: So that's what it is.
Speaker 1: So to me, like that, to me, it's not like
Speaker 1: I'm not elevating him over higher rated players. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all of these players in this clump are all graded
Speaker 1: with the same grade, which is just like solid starters
Speaker 1: solid starters.
Speaker 3: And so what that does is we talked about beauty
Speaker 3: being the eye of the beholder, and so you talked
Speaker 3: about guys saying, hey, they are the second guy. They're
Speaker 3: not the first person that you can present out with
Speaker 3: the jersey. They're the compliment to hey, we took this guy.
Speaker 2: Oh and were there? Yeah. So, but but that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: And for me, Look, I had in my notebook, I
Speaker 3: had the same grade Camboard Shoulder Sandus.
Speaker 2: I just have him flipped.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I have flipped because the controversy
Speaker 3: in my top five is like shoulder over cam Ward.
Speaker 3: And the only reason why shoulder standards carries that that
Speaker 3: grade is I just have these voices of these quarterback
Speaker 3: coaches in my ear that have said for years the
Speaker 3: only two things I care about when it comes to
Speaker 3: quarterback play accuracy.
Speaker 2: And decision making.
Speaker 3: And so when I look at it, I'm like, well, man,
Speaker 3: he's the most accurate, and his decision making on time
Speaker 3: is look excellent. And then when you throw toughness in
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I can rock with him or whatever. Now,
Speaker 3: the draft part of it is a beauty patch where
Speaker 3: you want all the other things. But in terms of playing,
Speaker 3: I think he plays it in a professional manner that
Speaker 3: has worked it for years and years on end, which
Speaker 3: is why he's first. And we'll see what it plays out.
Speaker 3: But that's just why I have should.
Speaker 2: Do her first.
Speaker 3: Cam Ward has superior traits and tools when it comes
Speaker 3: to arm tell and whatever. But I'm gonna lie dj.
Speaker 3: He scares me sometimes with the lucy goosey stuff, like
Speaker 3: he's so loosey goosey that I'm like, man like, can
Speaker 3: he rein it together? So that's the difference is that's
Speaker 3: where it is. But when we talk about the draft
Speaker 3: and landing spots, Shader saying this could be in.
Speaker 2: For a long day. If cam Ward goes one.
Speaker 3: If the Giants take best player available at three, the
Speaker 3: Saints take best.
Speaker 2: Player available at nine, there is a long drop.
Speaker 3: Then you have the Pittsburgh still is at twenty one
Speaker 3: where they go back and do the quarterback thing again.
Speaker 3: When they did Kenny Pickett at twenty a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago and it didn't work. Out, so you move
Speaker 3: them there. The la Rams are at twenty six. Do
Speaker 3: they want to take a quarterback of the future with
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. If they don't, DJ, that's the end of
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 3: So I mean that's just what it is. So we
Speaker 3: named Giants are won Saints. Still, there's four landing spots.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: All the stuff that we talked about the first round.
Speaker 3: There are four landing spots for quarterbacks. And when we
Speaker 3: talk about the landing spots, the spot has to match
Speaker 3: up with the talent and the grade. And if the
Speaker 3: spot is here and the talent is down here, you're
Speaker 3: not pulling the trigger because now you're going against all
Speaker 3: the philosophies and theories that you had in the draft room.
Speaker 3: So that is the dilemma when it comes to Shador
Speaker 3: Sanders in company in this draft.
Speaker 1: To me, totally honest, this feels exactly like and they're
Speaker 1: different players. I'm not comparing them as players. This feels
Speaker 1: exactly like with should the right the week before the
Speaker 1: Will Levis draft, where Will Levis was if you remember
Speaker 1: it was Colts who were four I believe they were.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be the Levis team so if
Speaker 1: not Colts, you couldn't you couldn't connect him to anybody else.
Speaker 1: So it was like it sounds weird to say this
Speaker 1: guy is going to go four. He could fall out
Speaker 1: of the first round. And that's like the Giants with Shadur.
Speaker 1: The Giants are the last to me almost like the
Speaker 1: kind of the last hope there and if they don't
Speaker 1: do it, I don't know where he goes.
Speaker 2: Man there's not a spot.
Speaker 3: There's not a spot, And I love him and his dad,
Speaker 3: but part of it is being real. There's not a
Speaker 3: spot because it's not only the grade is who's available.
Speaker 3: It's like catching a cab in New York. The light
Speaker 3: has to be on. There are a lot of people
Speaker 3: that are buzzing around Manhattan, but the light's not on,
Speaker 3: and so if the light's that on, you're not going.
Speaker 3: And you can hope that someone wants to move into
Speaker 3: the bottom of the first round and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: but DJ is still the top of the second round
Speaker 3: looks like the first round.
Speaker 2: Who is going to move in?
Speaker 3: There's a the limit And the thing that I hate
Speaker 3: because like this is what we do, particularly on our side,
Speaker 3: and because it impacts the people. The draft picks and
Speaker 3: their families. We'll talk these guys up like, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: Jackson Dark could go and maybe but maybe not. And
Speaker 3: I don't want people to get caught up because we
Speaker 3: did this years ago with Malik Willis and that class,
Speaker 3: and we tried to put all these guys in the
Speaker 3: first round. And when draft they came, the league was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: we're not we don't see them as that. We don't
Speaker 3: see because Kenny Pickett was the Melik Willis draft right, Ah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was the only one. And they were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't see them as that. And I think Desmond
Speaker 3: Ridder was.
Speaker 2: In that class too.
Speaker 3: So now when we go to it and Desmon Ridder
Speaker 3: gets his chance and all this other stuff like, it
Speaker 3: doesn't end up working out because the talent is the
Speaker 3: talent and ultimately you have to create the talent because
Speaker 3: that's how it turned That's how it turns out. And
Speaker 3: that's also why we're having this thing little sneak peak.
Speaker 3: On the path to the draft, we're talking about, hey,
Speaker 3: is it worth taking a quarterback in the second round?
Speaker 2: And my thing was how many of those guys have
Speaker 2: worked out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds great when we're theorizing like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: we can go and get this guy in the second round. DJ,
Speaker 3: it's a first round quarterback league. The guys that play
Speaker 3: quarterback in this league are first rounders. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, Brock Freddy is an outlier. Jalen Hurst, Dak Prescott,
Speaker 3: they're outliers.
Speaker 2: They're not the norm.
Speaker 3: This league is a first round quarterback lead because when
Speaker 3: we great quarterbacks first round grade, they check off enough
Speaker 3: boxes when it comes to the redeeming qualities to play
Speaker 3: the position at a high.
Speaker 2: Level in the pros.
Speaker 3: And if you don't have those skills to I suggest
Speaker 3: that you're not going to play quarterback at a high level.
Speaker 2: That's just what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it'd be interesting to go back and look
Speaker 1: at those guys who have been successful, non first round picks.
Speaker 1: Most of them were afforded some patients right, didn't come
Speaker 1: in with fanfare. Had another quarterback there. I think a
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is a great example, Like he didn't have
Speaker 1: to step right in, you know, like that was kind
Speaker 1: of a process. Carson Wentz. Thing kind of happened and
Speaker 1: and then he you know, off he goes. But there's
Speaker 1: there's less pressure with those guys, and you're you to me,
Speaker 1: like if we're talking about you're taking a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the second round and you're hoping he's going to be
Speaker 1: your answer like in the near future, Like to me,
Speaker 1: that's and when you're talking about a coaches on hot
Speaker 1: seats need a guy to come in and play right away,
Speaker 1: then you either take one in the first round, or
Speaker 1: you probably should wait. You know that's you should wait.
Speaker 1: Ye time. If you got time and you're the Eagles,
Speaker 1: you can take a flyer on Jalen Hurts. It might
Speaker 1: hit it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also they come in with less expectations. They also
Speaker 3: come in on a different plan in the building. So
Speaker 3: the plan in the building for Jalen Hurts when he
Speaker 3: stepped into Eagles wasn't to get him ready to start.
Speaker 3: It was simply to make him a better play. And
Speaker 3: then you look up on the practice field and then
Speaker 3: you and I on the side like, hey, you know what, Hey,
Speaker 3: Jalen Chance looks pretty good. He's kind of given the
Speaker 3: defense some work, Like, oh, maybe it surprises us that
Speaker 3: he developed the way that he developed, But it wasn't
Speaker 3: the expectation that he was going to come in and
Speaker 3: those expectations drive everything inside and outside, because if you
Speaker 3: take him and they're saying, oh, we got to get
Speaker 3: him ready to play, well, now the fans are like, hey,
Speaker 3: we got to get the second round pick on the field,
Speaker 3: and you're like, we.
Speaker 2: Took him in the second round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's a developmental guy, not because he's a
Speaker 3: finished product. So the expectations and all that other stuff
Speaker 3: it can get, it can get out of whack if
Speaker 3: you take someone at the wrong position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. All right, Well, there's a little idea
Speaker 1: of kind of what's cooking on the on the hot
Speaker 1: stove there. That was this week's Hot or Not segment.
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Speaker 1: right back. All right, buck, let's jam through your top fives.
Speaker 1: I want to know your toughest decision in these positions,
Speaker 1: so I will give you the floor. Is this your
Speaker 1: final Is this the final addition?
Speaker 3: I don't know it's the final edition until I wait
Speaker 3: the day befront of drivers, say hey, can I put
Speaker 3: one more up there? To make sure I get it right, Look,
Speaker 3: we had the toughest conversation. So the toughest conversation for
Speaker 3: me is one DJ These things run a typical to how.
Speaker 2: We operate in the real world, right, the real scouting world.
Speaker 3: We're not going to continue to keep doing these updates
Speaker 3: on updates on updates when it comes to rankings because
Speaker 3: there aren't any more games to watch, there's no more
Speaker 3: film to so like, what are we doing but to
Speaker 3: play along? For this, the toughest thing for me was
Speaker 3: one standing firm with the quarterback. Which look, I'm the
Speaker 3: outlier in the situation putting Travis Hunter in at wide
Speaker 3: receiver officially because my heart of hearts, I believe that
Speaker 3: he is better served to be a dB. But I've
Speaker 3: come around to the fact that a he wants to
Speaker 3: play wide receiver, and two when I rate him as
Speaker 3: a wide receiver compared to the other guys, he's the
Speaker 3: most intriguing prospect because of what he brings to the table.
Speaker 3: So that part is everything. And the more I listen
Speaker 3: to him tomorrow fall in love with like how committed
Speaker 3: he is to the game. Like I heard you say
Speaker 3: on TV yesterday, Man, you just love him. The more
Speaker 3: that you hear him talk. He's all about the right stuff,
Speaker 3: which is why I'm a big believer. Moving Mason Graham
Speaker 3: up to that third spot and saying that he could
Speaker 3: be the third tied end to go in the first.
Speaker 1: Round to me, taylorson Taylor, Mason Taylor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mason Taylor. Moving him up to the third spot.
Speaker 3: To me, he's intriguing because I gave him the look
Speaker 3: over and I was like, man, he's really good. But
Speaker 3: now I'm like, okay, at the bottom of the first round,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff there. I think he's a
Speaker 3: really safe bet to be really productive, and there's some
Speaker 3: teams that are gonna be in need of a tight
Speaker 3: end in the twenties, so he fits so early on
Speaker 3: on offense.
Speaker 2: Those are the biggest debate that I had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's funny. I was talking to
Speaker 1: a team. I'm talking to two teams, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about who's your, who's your? We got wiped out?
Speaker 1: Pick You've been in there, you know how that is.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you know, gosh, we're hoping we get
Speaker 1: two of these guys, but like, man, if we get
Speaker 1: wiped out, like all the guys that we had up
Speaker 1: there and they're gone, Like you know who the two
Speaker 1: guys are that to me make the most sense, as like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got cleaned out, so I'm comfortable taking this guy,
Speaker 1: Mason Taylor this one double off the wall every day
Speaker 1: of the week, and tray Von Henderson's the other one.
Speaker 1: Oh good character, production, intelligence, all that stuff, like both
Speaker 1: I mean and Treyvon Henderson. You might even both these
Speaker 1: guys you could hit big. I trust me. I've seen
Speaker 1: Ed Reid was viewed as a double and he's get
Speaker 1: it right again. So I've seen those guys be more
Speaker 1: than that. But to me, like high floor guys, I
Speaker 1: think like Mason Taylor Trayvon Henderson, like, hey, we got
Speaker 1: wiped out, you can do a lot worse. Those guys
Speaker 1: are gonna start for you and be impact players.
Speaker 2: And I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: And there's something too that when we're going through the
Speaker 3: process and making sure that we have the right guys
Speaker 3: and doing those things like.
Speaker 2: That's a part of it. DJ.
Speaker 3: One of the conversations that I've had is I'm on
Speaker 3: membun like coming out of the combine looking at the
Speaker 3: tabe like just fell in love with him.
Speaker 2: But I don't get that same sentiment.
Speaker 3: And when I talk to people in the league, I
Speaker 3: don't get the same sentiment that he is viewed maybe
Speaker 3: with the same adoration that we that I may have
Speaker 3: on this side or whatever. And it's funny because when
Speaker 3: you look at someone three hundred and thirty pounds run
Speaker 3: what he runs at the combine and you look at
Speaker 3: the tape and he's moving, he's his zone buster all day.
Speaker 3: He can do all those things.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to like. But man, the feedback I get.
Speaker 3: From some of my buddies, they're like, I don't know
Speaker 3: this and that I don't know if he's what you
Speaker 3: think buck.
Speaker 2: So it it's a challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the there's always guys that I have
Speaker 1: that There's always one guy that I'm like, I'm too
Speaker 1: low on this guy late in the process, right, And
Speaker 1: I've heard it, and I you know, I trust what
Speaker 1: I saw. I did not I can't unsee it. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna move this player up a little
Speaker 1: bit because I've gone back and done more work on him.
Speaker 1: But the one player I would say that I'm probably
Speaker 1: at the outlier of most odds with people, and I
Speaker 1: don't have enough conviction to just completely hold my ground
Speaker 1: on this particular player. Is Banks is the is the
Speaker 1: tackle from Texas. There's a lot of teams have him
Speaker 1: as the top tackle in the draft. Now they might
Speaker 1: necessarily be taking one, but he's he's viewed higher than
Speaker 1: where I have him. And I've had other people looked
Speaker 1: I've had from agents to you know, scouts to is
Speaker 1: say gosh, we like him better than you do. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I get it, but I didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what I didn't see it and see a
Speaker 1: strain to finish that. I couldn't get the Georgia game
Speaker 1: out of my head, and guys got on his edges
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he's clean character wise, he's big, he's got good feet.
Speaker 1: You know, he's young. He's a really young kid. So
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys every year there's always like
Speaker 1: late in the process where you're like, sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to fall on the sword a little bit and be like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I miss you.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, because I have him fourth, but
Speaker 3: DJ I have all these guys kind of rate it similar, right,
Speaker 3: So I him Josh Simmons and Banks, they all are
Speaker 3: right there, right, and Simmons has the kne issue, but
Speaker 3: like the talent is crazy, you know. But then when
Speaker 3: you look at Banks, like Banks is super talented and
Speaker 3: athletic and all that, and I hear you with the
Speaker 3: strain to finish and and all of that other stuff.
Speaker 3: But then you look at typically man, guys that are
Speaker 3: that big, that can move around like that, that have
Speaker 3: like the shadow boxing skills or whatever, Like it's intriguing.
Speaker 3: And when you start factoring in the character, because we've
Speaker 3: talked about this, like, man, this being a year where
Speaker 3: there's kind of been more character things on some of.
Speaker 2: The old linemen then we're used to seeing.
Speaker 3: Normally, those are the safe guys that you know, you
Speaker 3: talk about, hey we get wiped out.
Speaker 2: Take this guy.
Speaker 3: It's a little different in this class. I can understand
Speaker 3: why people would skew towards Banks because he is so
Speaker 3: clean when it comes to the character and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest with you, like I'm
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if Banks was the sixth pick
Speaker 1: to the Raiders, just based off of you know, talking
Speaker 1: to the people around the league and you know, different things,
Speaker 1: so you know, that's not where I have him, But
Speaker 1: he'll move up, he'll be in I'll probably get him
Speaker 1: up into the low low twenties on my on my
Speaker 1: final one, which is still going to go higher than that.
Speaker 1: But that's why, you know, it's always it's just at
Speaker 1: the end of the process, you kind of get a
Speaker 1: sense of where people are and I'm I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to my guns on the guys that
Speaker 1: I have firm conviction on, and you know, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: Like to me, Baron, like, okay, Baron could go much
Speaker 1: later than where I have. I'm a barren guy. I
Speaker 1: believe in it. I've seen I feel like I've seen
Speaker 1: this player multiple times over the last few years, and
Speaker 1: it translates I'm not I'm not I'm not bumping like
Speaker 1: that's fine, you guys take him later. I'll be the
Speaker 1: high guy on them what have you. But then there's
Speaker 1: other guys where you're like, you know what kind of
Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of I either way, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to have enough arrogance and
Speaker 1: ego to say that I got it right, and the
Speaker 1: whole rest of the league got it wrong. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you and that.
Speaker 3: And sometimes you pick and choose your battles when to
Speaker 3: fight to good fight or not. And I understand that.
Speaker 3: And you talk about today Barron. I like him as
Speaker 3: a player. I liked it now we've created this new position.
Speaker 3: Also love the fact that DJ Nickel corners are getting
Speaker 3: paid because it's now, finally, after all these years, it's
Speaker 3: justification for putting that twelve position, that twelfth position on
Speaker 3: the board before it was kind of a throwaway. Well,
Speaker 3: now we have a true nickel position that you can
Speaker 3: and say, no, this guy is a nickel, not because
Speaker 3: he's too short, not because he's slow, but no, he
Speaker 3: has the skill set to play it. Jday Baron kind
Speaker 3: of fits the bill in that regard. One of the
Speaker 3: things that I have is like the Will Johnson conversation.
Speaker 3: I think with Will Johnson, I've been I guess I
Speaker 3: would say lenient, and I'm lenient on his grade because
Speaker 3: of the Derek Stingly thing, meaning I remember seeing Derek
Speaker 3: Stingly as a freshman and seeing like later the one
Speaker 3: on ones against the crew from LSU Jefferson and chasing
Speaker 3: those things. But he didn't finish it off with the bang.
Speaker 3: I still go back to looking at Will Johnson at
Speaker 3: his best and being like, man, he is so good
Speaker 3: when he's right and he's healthy and he's on the field,
Speaker 3: and I know he has a ton of injuries and
Speaker 3: little nicks and knacks and stuff, but when he plays
Speaker 3: and he's right, he is as good as it gets
Speaker 3: at the position, which is why I still hang on
Speaker 3: to him with a high grade that I put on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's and feel free to do that. I think,
Speaker 1: to me, scheme fit is going to be big for him.
Speaker 1: You know everything, And yeah, I don't think you want
Speaker 1: to press him up leath him alone. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of teams, you know. The best thing for him.
Speaker 1: The best thing for him is that they won the
Speaker 1: National Championship with a dominant defense, and their defense in
Speaker 1: terms of coaches has scattered around the NFL, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people with proof of concept of like
Speaker 1: not only they know the kid individually, but they're like,
Speaker 1: I know how this guy.
Speaker 3: Will, I know how to use them, I know how
Speaker 3: to use them, I know where we play. To me,
Speaker 3: and I'm saying like, in terms of the great in
Speaker 3: terms of how I expect them to play. But DJ
Speaker 3: in a perfect world, him going to the package at
Speaker 3: twenty three to me is like the right fit. It's
Speaker 3: the right fit in terms of how you played. But
Speaker 3: more importantly, you know, we used to do those segments
Speaker 3: on TV with instructions. Give them instructures on how to
Speaker 3: use them. You put him in Green Bay's defense, which
Speaker 3: is a C ball get ball defense, vision and break
Speaker 3: playoff look at the quarterback all day. He's an all
Speaker 3: day sucker. Play at a high level and a lot
Speaker 3: of that. I wish for these guys we could play matchmaker, like,
Speaker 3: oh no, let's put him with this team and that team,
Speaker 3: and so you can see the best of Will Johnson
Speaker 3: for a team like that that that wants to play
Speaker 3: off man, he would be great. He also be obviously
Speaker 3: would be great, Uh at your team with the Charges,
Speaker 3: because not only do they know him, but sitting there
Speaker 3: playing the style that they play works.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers that when I looked it up,
Speaker 1: were thirtieth and man coverage percentage last year, So I
Speaker 1: mean obviously they play. He's played in that defense, plays
Speaker 1: top down with vision and then just go make plays.
Speaker 2: So I did not know. Like, here's the trick.
Speaker 3: I did not know that they really didn't play man
Speaker 3: the man at all. That they're playing that much zone
Speaker 3: and keeping it in front and keeping the score down
Speaker 3: and and and all of that that is that is
Speaker 3: amazing because remember, for some long we quarterback plays too good.
Speaker 3: You gotta lock up and take away the easy throwers
Speaker 3: and the charges like no, we don't, we don't, We
Speaker 3: can't keep them from we rally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't keep.
Speaker 3: Digging and dunking the ball down the field. At some
Speaker 3: point you're gonna throw us a bad one, So.
Speaker 1: I gup, you will mess it up, all right. Any
Speaker 1: other interesting dilemmas you had on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball in your top five?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's the usual suspects.
Speaker 3: I think the linebackers and stuff were pretty clean, the
Speaker 3: pass rushers and those things.
Speaker 2: I think the d tackles right Like.
Speaker 3: I don't think people give enough love to Darius Alexander.
Speaker 3: I know you brought him up very very early in
Speaker 3: the process, but he is one that I've stuck with.
Speaker 3: I dropped Kenneth Grant down a little bit because I
Speaker 3: feel like every year doing this process early we value
Speaker 3: run stuffers. But then when we get to the draft,
Speaker 3: they all come down a little bit because we value
Speaker 3: pass rushers over run stoppers.
Speaker 2: And that's why I kind of moved him down before.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Darius Alexander to me, like there's ones where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm probably leaning a little hot or maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a little cold, Like I don't like he's my No,
Speaker 1: he's my forty seventh player, buck And that's like one
Speaker 1: guy telling me that he looks like the forty seventh pick,
Speaker 1: Like I like, that's his value.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have him as the fifty tackle.
Speaker 2: I look at him on tape and I'm like, maybe I'm.
Speaker 3: Off, like because I see him moving, I see all
Speaker 3: the athletic.
Speaker 2: Stuff, super hot, and I'm like, man, like why can't
Speaker 2: he go? Like why can't he a little older?
Speaker 1: But I don't know that anybody cares anymore, like why why.
Speaker 2: Can't he why can't he go? Or whatever?
Speaker 3: And then I'm pulling up. I wanted to see when
Speaker 3: Chris Jones was drafted because I remember watching Chris Jones
Speaker 3: early too.
Speaker 2: He was thirty seventh, he.
Speaker 3: Was thirty seventh overall, but DJ, I remember watching him
Speaker 3: in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: State, and he has some other stuff, but like, I'm like, look.
Speaker 3: Man, this dude is over here. You don't see big
Speaker 3: guys that can move like that. And his movement as
Speaker 3: a bigger guy is different at de tackle then Ken
Speaker 3: Grant even a little different than Mason Graham in terms
Speaker 3: of movement. And I just think we've seen time and
Speaker 3: time again they will look at the three.
Speaker 2: And be like, man, how did he How was he
Speaker 2: a second round pick? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's a He is a good football player.
Speaker 1: I squeezed him into the back end of a couple
Speaker 1: of mock drafts. I think I had him with the
Speaker 1: run early.
Speaker 3: Because and but I know DJ well enough to know me, like,
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, where's this name come from?
Speaker 2: This name?
Speaker 3: This name is out the blue. It's one of the
Speaker 3: first and second mock drafts. I was like, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: a little birdie's tipped them off. Let me go in
Speaker 3: there and find him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he just looks different when you're watching the
Speaker 1: Toledo tape and you're kind of jamming through all the
Speaker 1: dts and you're like, Okay, that looks a little different
Speaker 1: than the rest of these dudes. I've been watching. So
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm excited for this thing to get here. Dude,
Speaker 1: we've we've kind of made it down to the end.
Speaker 1: I keep saying the same thing that everybody. My message
Speaker 1: to teams is very is very simple. Get you three.
Speaker 1: Just go get your three starters in this draft wherever
Speaker 1: you can find them. Don't worry about the positions. This year.
Speaker 1: You come out of this thing where a starting tight
Speaker 1: end running back in DT. You're gravy like they're out there.
Speaker 1: Go find them, Go get them.
Speaker 2: And then get out because next year is going to
Speaker 2: be I'll say.
Speaker 1: You want to know something crazy, yep, I was looking
Speaker 1: this up. I gotta confirm it, but I believe Philadelphia
Speaker 1: has twelve picks next year.
Speaker 2: Twelve.
Speaker 1: All those guys they lost in free agency, they got paid.
Speaker 1: You know, the DT got big money with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Milton Williams, you've got a sweat who got good money.
Speaker 1: Beckton got a little bit of money, you know. On
Speaker 1: and on and on. They lost, they lost some guys,
Speaker 1: and so of course Howie Roseman's already locked and loaded
Speaker 1: for next year.
Speaker 2: But of course he is.
Speaker 3: Of course he's locked and loaded and wants to put
Speaker 3: it in So Anyways, all right, we got to run.
Speaker 1: This has been a fun one. We appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: hanging with us. We are almost there. I've got my
Speaker 1: press conference, a conference call thing coming up, so that'll
Speaker 1: be released I think sometime Friday. Maybe it leads into Saturday,
Speaker 1: but that's coming up. So that's I don't think this
Speaker 1: one's is longbock. The other ones man the first one
Speaker 1: we went over three hours, so I'm hoping that's not
Speaker 1: the case here.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of a lot of info, a lot
Speaker 2: of questions, a lot of random.
Speaker 3: Hey DJ, hey, hey, tell me about the dB at Cataba.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Watched a lot of Monmouth tape over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks.
Speaker 2: By the way, I do love.
Speaker 1: The fact that the Montana State quarterbacks getting some love
Speaker 1: because when I did watch him, he is fun. He
Speaker 1: ran four three, He's like he's fun.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The conversation about him kind of being an at h
Speaker 3: at athlete, kind of moving around, being an offensive weapon.
Speaker 3: I will say this, he dominated for them at that level.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were a fun offense to watch. He
Speaker 3: was all over the place. Yeah, good player.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for its appreciate you hanging.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here, I'll move the
Speaker 1: sticks