1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: with you Buck. We are we're closing in. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Dude, I mean we hear DJ. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 3: The conversations and stuff are coming fast and furious. Uh 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: is lying season, so you're trying to kind of figure 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: out what's real and what's fade. But it's an exciting 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: time because we got less than a week. Well, we 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: got a week before the draft, and we'll kind of 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: have all of it put to bed soon. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: In we've got we've got a bunch of ground of 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: cover day, We've got Bucks Top five, so we're gonna 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: jump into that. But before we get there, let's kick 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: things off here. It's time for Hot or Not, brought 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: to you by with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage. You mentioned 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: kind of the the rumors and the information that's floating around. 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I joked that during this time of the year, I 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: start my day every day with a cup of coffee 19 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and three lives. You know, like what you're hearing from teams, like, 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where we are. But uh, you know, 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: but to me, it is interesting, you know, making phone 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: calls around the league, and you know, the main conversation 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: that I have with teams is who's going to be 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: there when we pick, Like that's that's all they want 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: to know. That's what they're looking to get from us 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: during this time of the year. And then in return, 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: like I get some you know, medical character stuff on 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: guys that could fall could drops, which is helpful as 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: we get towards the draft, and you kind of get 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: a sense of teams that are picking in different areas 31 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: of the draft, where they think guys outside of their 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: range are going, and how they have them stacked, how 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: their coaches viewed them. And one one, I don't say 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: it's a rumor. I think it's a fact. Buck in 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: talking to teams. It's somewhat like this in years where 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: teams have quarterbacks that those teams tend to kind of 37 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: pooh pooh the class. But man, I don't remember it 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: like this, Like there's a lot of teams out there 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: who think cam Ward is the only first round quarterback. 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of teams and those aren't the 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: quarterback teams. So take them for what it is. 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: So let's let's be real because I think sometimes DJ 43 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: we've been doing the media part of it for so 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: long that sometimes it's easy when we're on TV to 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: get away from the true ideals and the true values 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: that we have as scouts. And I'll be honest when 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: I go through and I look at my grades on 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 3: cam Ward Shoulder all those guys, what that would rate 49 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: in a in a draft meeting room. Bottom of the 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: first round grades, That's what it would be. Now, we've 51 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: talked about in recent years, like guys get pushed up whatever, 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: which is more of a media thing or whatever. But 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 3: if your team in need of a quarterback and cam 54 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: Ward is the best quarterback on your board, you have 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: to take him whenever you're picking. 56 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: That's just what it is. But in terms of how. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: These guys stack up, how they stack up traditionally over 58 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: those guys, I'm gonna say it. 59 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: I don't believe anybody in this class is a transcendent quarterback. 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: There's no one that I would have that would that 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: I would suggest has the wild factor that the elite 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: of the elite quarterback prospects that we've drafted half. 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: That's just a fact. 64 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: But every year is a year that you have to evaluate, 65 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: and these are the quarterbacks in this class. And so 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: you have to figure out who's the best of the class. 67 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: And if I need one and I haven't gotten one 68 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: in free agency, I got to take one, and I 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: got to make it. I got to make the best 70 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: out of what I get, meaning I get them, I 71 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: got to surround them with the other stuff to allow 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: him to be successful. 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: And that's just how it goes. 74 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, like I wouldn't say that this is a 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: class that they hail like the nineteen eighty three class 76 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: with you know, Jim Kelly and Elwick. 77 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: It's not a class. So that's that's what it is. 78 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And though in regards to that the sentiment we're 79 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: a little over week out, this is the where we are. 80 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: This is everybody that I've talked to, and kind of 81 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: looking at the situation, I would feel comfortable saying this. 82 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: I believe that cam Ward at this point in time, 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: is the only quarterback who will be a team's first 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: pick in this draft, if that makes sense. In other words, Jackson, 85 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: dart Shade, or Sanders I think will be a team 86 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: second pick. Now that doesn't mean they don't go in 87 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: the first round. They could easily teams come back up 88 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: and take them. But they're gonna hold up the jersey 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: and have the press conference with another player first, and 90 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: then they're gonna introduce the quarterback they took with their 91 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: next pick. Like, that's that's where it looks now a 92 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: week out. If that, if that, if you're if you're 93 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: tracking with me there. 94 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm tracking with you because I think here's the other thing. 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna ask you this, DJ, who are the 96 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: elites in the draft? 97 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: Like? 98 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: How many guys do you think are the elite prospects 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 3: in this draft class? I said they were five, but 100 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: I said they were five and in whatever order you 101 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: want to list them. I had Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter, 102 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: I think Aston Genty is there, Tyler Warren, and then 103 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: I put Jalen Walker. 104 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Now, and I had Love the only one I had 105 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: in that mix with Love one I had. 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: Okay, So that's six. So so that's that's a reasonable expectation. 107 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: So just think about it. In most years we talked 108 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: about eight maybe ten being elite. We talked about eighteen 109 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: to twenty two first rounders. What that says is this 110 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: is a draft that doesn't have like a's and a plus. 111 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: It's more of an anus Beef's draft and depending upon 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: what you need and how it fits. That's how it 113 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: works when it comes to the quarterbacks. If we were 114 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: doing the vertical board where we're ranking them, so your 115 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: top fifty is what we would call a vertical board 116 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: where you draft, you just ranking them from one to 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: fifty based on grade, not worrying about position. Where those 118 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: guys listed. Where's kemboard listed on your board? 119 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Hey like, well, to me when this draft, he's like 120 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: my eighth or ninth guy. But I mean he, I mean, 121 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: that's what this draft say. He's got the same grade. 122 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: He's got the same grade. Like to me, if I'm 123 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: pulling up, pulled up right now, so like full transparency, 124 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: he was, I think I gave him a sixty four. Yeah, 125 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: so I gave him a sixty four. And then I 126 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: have like put it in perspective, Quinn Shawn Judkins. This 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: is how like this is the this is the kind 128 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: of the parody of the draft. Quinn Shawn Judkins. I 129 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: gave a sixty four as a running back. Quin Shawn 130 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: Judkins is my thirty eighth player. 131 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: So that's what it is. 132 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: So to me, like that, to me, it's not like 133 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm not elevating him over higher rated players. I'm saying, 134 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: all of these players in this clump are all graded 135 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: with the same grade, which is just like solid starters 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: solid starters. 137 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: And so what that does is we talked about beauty 138 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: being the eye of the beholder, and so you talked 139 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: about guys saying, hey, they are the second guy. They're 140 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: not the first person that you can present out with 141 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: the jersey. They're the compliment to hey, we took this guy. 142 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: Oh and were there? Yeah. So, but but that's what 143 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: it is. 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: And for me, Look, I had in my notebook, I 145 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: had the same grade Camboard Shoulder Sandus. 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: I just have him flipped. 147 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: And the only reason I have flipped because the controversy 148 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: in my top five is like shoulder over cam Ward. 149 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: And the only reason why shoulder standards carries that that 150 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: grade is I just have these voices of these quarterback 151 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: coaches in my ear that have said for years the 152 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: only two things I care about when it comes to 153 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: quarterback play accuracy. 154 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: And decision making. 155 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: And so when I look at it, I'm like, well, man, 156 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: he's the most accurate, and his decision making on time 157 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: is look excellent. And then when you throw toughness in 158 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I can rock with him or whatever. Now, 159 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: the draft part of it is a beauty patch where 160 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: you want all the other things. But in terms of playing, 161 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: I think he plays it in a professional manner that 162 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: has worked it for years and years on end, which 163 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: is why he's first. And we'll see what it plays out. 164 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: But that's just why I have should. 165 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Do her first. 166 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: Cam Ward has superior traits and tools when it comes 167 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: to arm tell and whatever. But I'm gonna lie dj. 168 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: He scares me sometimes with the lucy goosey stuff, like 169 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: he's so loosey goosey that I'm like, man like, can 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: he rein it together? So that's the difference is that's 171 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: where it is. But when we talk about the draft 172 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: and landing spots, Shader saying this could be in. 173 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: For a long day. If cam Ward goes one. 174 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: If the Giants take best player available at three, the 175 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: Saints take best. 176 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: Player available at nine, there is a long drop. 177 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: Then you have the Pittsburgh still is at twenty one 178 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: where they go back and do the quarterback thing again. 179 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: When they did Kenny Pickett at twenty a couple of 180 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: years ago and it didn't work. Out, so you move 181 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: them there. The la Rams are at twenty six. Do 182 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: they want to take a quarterback of the future with 183 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. If they don't, DJ, that's the end of 184 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 3: the first round. 185 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: YEP. 186 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: So I mean that's just what it is. So we 187 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: named Giants are won Saints. Still, there's four landing spots. 188 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: That's it. 189 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: All the stuff that we talked about the first round. 190 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: There are four landing spots for quarterbacks. And when we 191 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: talk about the landing spots, the spot has to match 192 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: up with the talent and the grade. And if the 193 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 3: spot is here and the talent is down here, you're 194 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: not pulling the trigger because now you're going against all 195 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: the philosophies and theories that you had in the draft room. 196 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: So that is the dilemma when it comes to Shador 197 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: Sanders in company in this draft. 198 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: To me, totally honest, this feels exactly like and they're 199 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: different players. I'm not comparing them as players. This feels 200 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: exactly like with should the right the week before the 201 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Will Levis draft, where Will Levis was if you remember 202 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: it was Colts who were four I believe they were. 203 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: They were supposed to be the Levis team so if 204 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: not Colts, you couldn't you couldn't connect him to anybody else. 205 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: So it was like it sounds weird to say this 206 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: guy is going to go four. He could fall out 207 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: of the first round. And that's like the Giants with Shadur. 208 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: The Giants are the last to me almost like the 209 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: kind of the last hope there and if they don't 210 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: do it, I don't know where he goes. 211 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Man there's not a spot. 212 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: There's not a spot, And I love him and his dad, 213 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: but part of it is being real. There's not a 214 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: spot because it's not only the grade is who's available. 215 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: It's like catching a cab in New York. The light 216 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: has to be on. There are a lot of people 217 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: that are buzzing around Manhattan, but the light's not on, 218 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 3: and so if the light's that on, you're not going. 219 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: And you can hope that someone wants to move into 220 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: the bottom of the first round and all that stuff, 221 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: but DJ is still the top of the second round 222 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: looks like the first round. 223 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: Who is going to move in? 224 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: There's a the limit And the thing that I hate 225 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: because like this is what we do, particularly on our side, 226 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: and because it impacts the people. The draft picks and 227 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: their families. We'll talk these guys up like, hey, you know, 228 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: Jackson Dark could go and maybe but maybe not. And 229 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: I don't want people to get caught up because we 230 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: did this years ago with Malik Willis and that class, 231 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: and we tried to put all these guys in the 232 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: first round. And when draft they came, the league was like, yeah, no, 233 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: we're not we don't see them as that. We don't 234 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: see because Kenny Pickett was the Melik Willis draft right, Ah, yeah, yeah, 235 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: he was the only one. And they were like, yeah, 236 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: we don't see them as that. And I think Desmond 237 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: Ridder was. 238 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: In that class too. 239 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: So now when we go to it and Desmon Ridder 240 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: gets his chance and all this other stuff like, it 241 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: doesn't end up working out because the talent is the 242 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: talent and ultimately you have to create the talent because 243 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: that's how it turned That's how it turns out. And 244 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: that's also why we're having this thing little sneak peak. 245 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: On the path to the draft, we're talking about, hey, 246 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: is it worth taking a quarterback in the second round? 247 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: And my thing was how many of those guys have 248 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: worked out? 249 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds great when we're theorizing like, oh, you know, 250 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: we can go and get this guy in the second round. DJ, 251 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: it's a first round quarterback league. The guys that play 252 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: quarterback in this league are first rounders. That's what it is. 253 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Brock Freddy is an outlier. Jalen Hurst, Dak Prescott, 254 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: they're outliers. 255 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: They're not the norm. 256 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 3: This league is a first round quarterback lead because when 257 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: we great quarterbacks first round grade, they check off enough 258 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: boxes when it comes to the redeeming qualities to play 259 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: the position at a high. 260 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: Level in the pros. 261 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: And if you don't have those skills to I suggest 262 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: that you're not going to play quarterback at a high level. 263 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: That's just what it is. 264 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, it'd be interesting to go back and look 265 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: at those guys who have been successful, non first round picks. 266 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Most of them were afforded some patients right, didn't come 267 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: in with fanfare. Had another quarterback there. I think a 268 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is a great example, Like he didn't have 269 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: to step right in, you know, like that was kind 270 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: of a process. Carson Wentz. Thing kind of happened and 271 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: and then he you know, off he goes. But there's 272 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: there's less pressure with those guys, and you're you to me, 273 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: like if we're talking about you're taking a quarterback in 274 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: the second round and you're hoping he's going to be 275 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: your answer like in the near future, Like to me, 276 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: that's and when you're talking about a coaches on hot 277 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: seats need a guy to come in and play right away, 278 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: then you either take one in the first round, or 279 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: you probably should wait. You know that's you should wait. 280 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: Ye time. If you got time and you're the Eagles, 281 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: you can take a flyer on Jalen Hurts. It might 282 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: hit it, you know. 283 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 284 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 3: But also they come in with less expectations. They also 285 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: come in on a different plan in the building. So 286 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: the plan in the building for Jalen Hurts when he 287 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: stepped into Eagles wasn't to get him ready to start. 288 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: It was simply to make him a better play. And 289 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: then you look up on the practice field and then 290 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: you and I on the side like, hey, you know what, Hey, 291 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: Jalen Chance looks pretty good. He's kind of given the 292 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: defense some work, Like, oh, maybe it surprises us that 293 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: he developed the way that he developed, But it wasn't 294 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: the expectation that he was going to come in and 295 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: those expectations drive everything inside and outside, because if you 296 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: take him and they're saying, oh, we got to get 297 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: him ready to play, well, now the fans are like, hey, 298 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: we got to get the second round pick on the field, 299 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: and you're like, we. 300 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: Took him in the second round pick. 301 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's a developmental guy, not because he's a 302 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: finished product. So the expectations and all that other stuff 303 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 3: it can get, it can get out of whack if 304 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: you take someone at the wrong position. 305 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. All right, Well, there's a little idea 306 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: of kind of what's cooking on the on the hot 307 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: stove there. That was this week's Hot or Not segment. 308 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: Brought to you by with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage, Store 309 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: more and do more with your data. Try them for 310 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: free at withsabby dot com quick Break and we'll be 311 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: right back. All right, buck, let's jam through your top fives. 312 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: I want to know your toughest decision in these positions, 313 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: so I will give you the floor. Is this your 314 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: final Is this the final addition? 315 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: I don't know it's the final edition until I wait 316 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: the day befront of drivers, say hey, can I put 317 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: one more up there? To make sure I get it right, Look, 318 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: we had the toughest conversation. So the toughest conversation for 319 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: me is one DJ These things run a typical to how. 320 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: We operate in the real world, right, the real scouting world. 321 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: We're not going to continue to keep doing these updates 322 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: on updates on updates when it comes to rankings because 323 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: there aren't any more games to watch, there's no more 324 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: film to so like, what are we doing but to 325 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: play along? For this, the toughest thing for me was 326 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: one standing firm with the quarterback. Which look, I'm the 327 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: outlier in the situation putting Travis Hunter in at wide 328 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: receiver officially because my heart of hearts, I believe that 329 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: he is better served to be a dB. But I've 330 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: come around to the fact that a he wants to 331 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: play wide receiver, and two when I rate him as 332 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: a wide receiver compared to the other guys, he's the 333 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: most intriguing prospect because of what he brings to the table. 334 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: So that part is everything. And the more I listen 335 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: to him tomorrow fall in love with like how committed 336 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: he is to the game. Like I heard you say 337 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: on TV yesterday, Man, you just love him. The more 338 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: that you hear him talk. He's all about the right stuff, 339 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: which is why I'm a big believer. Moving Mason Graham 340 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: up to that third spot and saying that he could 341 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: be the third tied end to go in the first. 342 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Round to me, taylorson Taylor, Mason Taylor. 343 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mason Taylor. Moving him up to the third spot. 344 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: To me, he's intriguing because I gave him the look 345 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: over and I was like, man, he's really good. But 346 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: now I'm like, okay, at the bottom of the first round, 347 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff there. I think he's a 348 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: really safe bet to be really productive, and there's some 349 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: teams that are gonna be in need of a tight 350 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: end in the twenties, so he fits so early on 351 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: on offense. 352 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: Those are the biggest debate that I had. 353 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's funny. I was talking to 354 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: a team. I'm talking to two teams, and we were 355 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: talking about who's your, who's your? We got wiped out? 356 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Pick You've been in there, you know how that is. 357 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you know, gosh, we're hoping we get 358 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: two of these guys, but like, man, if we get 359 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: wiped out, like all the guys that we had up 360 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: there and they're gone, Like you know who the two 361 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: guys are that to me make the most sense, as like, Okay, 362 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: we got cleaned out, so I'm comfortable taking this guy, 363 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Mason Taylor this one double off the wall every day 364 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: of the week, and tray Von Henderson's the other one. 365 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Oh good character, production, intelligence, all that stuff, like both 366 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean and Treyvon Henderson. You might even both these 367 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: guys you could hit big. I trust me. I've seen 368 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: Ed Reid was viewed as a double and he's get 369 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: it right again. So I've seen those guys be more 370 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: than that. But to me, like high floor guys, I 371 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: think like Mason Taylor Trayvon Henderson, like, hey, we got 372 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: wiped out, you can do a lot worse. Those guys 373 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: are gonna start for you and be impact players. 374 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: And I'm with you on that. 375 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: And there's something too that when we're going through the 376 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 3: process and making sure that we have the right guys 377 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: and doing those things like. 378 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: That's a part of it. DJ. 379 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: One of the conversations that I've had is I'm on 380 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 3: membun like coming out of the combine looking at the 381 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: tabe like just fell in love with him. 382 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: But I don't get that same sentiment. 383 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: And when I talk to people in the league, I 384 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 3: don't get the same sentiment that he is viewed maybe 385 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: with the same adoration that we that I may have 386 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: on this side or whatever. And it's funny because when 387 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: you look at someone three hundred and thirty pounds run 388 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: what he runs at the combine and you look at 389 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: the tape and he's moving, he's his zone buster all day. 390 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: He can do all those things. 391 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: There's a lot to like. But man, the feedback I get. 392 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: From some of my buddies, they're like, I don't know 393 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: this and that I don't know if he's what you 394 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: think buck. 395 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: So it it's a challenge. 396 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the there's always guys that I have 397 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: that There's always one guy that I'm like, I'm too 398 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: low on this guy late in the process, right, And 399 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: I've heard it, and I you know, I trust what 400 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: I saw. I did not I can't unsee it. So 401 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna move this player up a little 402 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: bit because I've gone back and done more work on him. 403 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: But the one player I would say that I'm probably 404 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: at the outlier of most odds with people, and I 405 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: don't have enough conviction to just completely hold my ground 406 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: on this particular player. Is Banks is the is the 407 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: tackle from Texas. There's a lot of teams have him 408 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: as the top tackle in the draft. Now they might 409 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: necessarily be taking one, but he's he's viewed higher than 410 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: where I have him. And I've had other people looked 411 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I've had from agents to you know, scouts to is 412 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: say gosh, we like him better than you do. Uh, 413 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I get it, but I didn't, you know, 414 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: this is what I didn't see it and see a 415 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: strain to finish that. I couldn't get the Georgia game 416 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: out of my head, and guys got on his edges 417 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, 418 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: he's clean character wise, he's big, he's got good feet. 419 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's young. He's a really young kid. So 420 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys every year there's always like 421 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: late in the process where you're like, sometimes you got 422 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: to fall on the sword a little bit and be like, Okay, yeah, 423 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, I miss you. 424 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 3: So here's the thing, because I have him fourth, but 425 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: DJ I have all these guys kind of rate it similar, right, 426 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: So I him Josh Simmons and Banks, they all are 427 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: right there, right, and Simmons has the kne issue, but 428 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: like the talent is crazy, you know. But then when 429 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: you look at Banks, like Banks is super talented and 430 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 3: athletic and all that, and I hear you with the 431 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: strain to finish and and all of that other stuff. 432 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: But then you look at typically man, guys that are 433 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: that big, that can move around like that, that have 434 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: like the shadow boxing skills or whatever, Like it's intriguing. 435 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: And when you start factoring in the character, because we've 436 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: talked about this, like, man, this being a year where 437 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: there's kind of been more character things on some of. 438 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: The old linemen then we're used to seeing. 439 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: Normally, those are the safe guys that you know, you 440 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 3: talk about, hey we get wiped out. 441 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: Take this guy. 442 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: It's a little different in this class. I can understand 443 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: why people would skew towards Banks because he is so 444 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: clean when it comes to the character and stuff. 445 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest with you, like I'm 446 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if Banks was the sixth pick 447 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: to the Raiders, just based off of you know, talking 448 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: to the people around the league and you know, different things, 449 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: so you know, that's not where I have him, But 450 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: he'll move up, he'll be in I'll probably get him 451 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: up into the low low twenties on my on my 452 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: final one, which is still going to go higher than that. 453 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: But that's why, you know, it's always it's just at 454 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the end of the process, you kind of get a 455 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: sense of where people are and I'm I'm gonna you know, 456 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to my guns on the guys that 457 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: I have firm conviction on, and you know, I'm fine, 458 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Like to me, Baron, like, okay, Baron could go much 459 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: later than where I have. I'm a barren guy. I 460 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: believe in it. I've seen I feel like I've seen 461 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: this player multiple times over the last few years, and 462 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: it translates I'm not I'm not I'm not bumping like 463 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: that's fine, you guys take him later. I'll be the 464 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: high guy on them what have you. But then there's 465 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: other guys where you're like, you know what kind of 466 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of I either way, and 467 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to have enough arrogance and 468 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: ego to say that I got it right, and the 469 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: whole rest of the league got it wrong. This is 470 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: what I'm getting. 471 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you and that. 472 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: And sometimes you pick and choose your battles when to 473 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 3: fight to good fight or not. And I understand that. 474 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: And you talk about today Barron. I like him as 475 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: a player. I liked it now we've created this new position. 476 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: Also love the fact that DJ Nickel corners are getting 477 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: paid because it's now, finally, after all these years, it's 478 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 3: justification for putting that twelve position, that twelfth position on 479 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: the board before it was kind of a throwaway. Well, 480 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: now we have a true nickel position that you can 481 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 3: and say, no, this guy is a nickel, not because 482 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: he's too short, not because he's slow, but no, he 483 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: has the skill set to play it. Jday Baron kind 484 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 3: of fits the bill in that regard. One of the 485 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: things that I have is like the Will Johnson conversation. 486 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: I think with Will Johnson, I've been I guess I 487 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 3: would say lenient, and I'm lenient on his grade because 488 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: of the Derek Stingly thing, meaning I remember seeing Derek 489 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: Stingly as a freshman and seeing like later the one 490 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: on ones against the crew from LSU Jefferson and chasing 491 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: those things. But he didn't finish it off with the bang. 492 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: I still go back to looking at Will Johnson at 493 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: his best and being like, man, he is so good 494 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: when he's right and he's healthy and he's on the field, 495 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: and I know he has a ton of injuries and 496 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: little nicks and knacks and stuff, but when he plays 497 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 3: and he's right, he is as good as it gets 498 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: at the position, which is why I still hang on 499 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 3: to him with a high grade that I put on. 500 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's and feel free to do that. I think, 501 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: to me, scheme fit is going to be big for him. 502 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: You know everything, And yeah, I don't think you want 503 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: to press him up leath him alone. But there's a 504 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of teams, you know. The best thing for him. 505 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: The best thing for him is that they won the 506 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: National Championship with a dominant defense, and their defense in 507 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: terms of coaches has scattered around the NFL, and there's 508 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people with proof of concept of like 509 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: not only they know the kid individually, but they're like, 510 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I know how this guy. 511 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: Will, I know how to use them, I know how 512 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: to use them, I know where we play. To me, 513 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: and I'm saying like, in terms of the great in 514 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 3: terms of how I expect them to play. But DJ 515 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: in a perfect world, him going to the package at 516 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: twenty three to me is like the right fit. It's 517 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 3: the right fit in terms of how you played. But 518 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: more importantly, you know, we used to do those segments 519 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: on TV with instructions. Give them instructures on how to 520 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: use them. You put him in Green Bay's defense, which 521 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: is a C ball get ball defense, vision and break 522 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: playoff look at the quarterback all day. He's an all 523 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 3: day sucker. Play at a high level and a lot 524 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: of that. I wish for these guys we could play matchmaker, like, 525 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: oh no, let's put him with this team and that team, 526 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: and so you can see the best of Will Johnson 527 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: for a team like that that that wants to play 528 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: off man, he would be great. He also be obviously 529 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: would be great, Uh at your team with the Charges, 530 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: because not only do they know him, but sitting there 531 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: playing the style that they play works. 532 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: I think that. 533 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: I think the Chargers that when I looked it up, 534 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: were thirtieth and man coverage percentage last year, So I 535 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: mean obviously they play. He's played in that defense, plays 536 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: top down with vision and then just go make plays. 537 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: So I did not know. Like, here's the trick. 538 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: I did not know that they really didn't play man 539 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 3: the man at all. That they're playing that much zone 540 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: and keeping it in front and keeping the score down 541 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: and and and all of that that is that is 542 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: amazing because remember, for some long we quarterback plays too good. 543 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: You gotta lock up and take away the easy throwers 544 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: and the charges like no, we don't, we don't, We 545 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: can't keep them from we rally. 546 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't keep. 547 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: Digging and dunking the ball down the field. At some 548 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: point you're gonna throw us a bad one, So. 549 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: I gup, you will mess it up, all right. Any 550 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: other interesting dilemmas you had on the defensive side of 551 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: the ball in your top five? 552 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's the usual suspects. 553 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: I think the linebackers and stuff were pretty clean, the 554 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: pass rushers and those things. 555 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: I think the d tackles right Like. 556 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: I don't think people give enough love to Darius Alexander. 557 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: I know you brought him up very very early in 558 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: the process, but he is one that I've stuck with. 559 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: I dropped Kenneth Grant down a little bit because I 560 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 3: feel like every year doing this process early we value 561 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: run stuffers. But then when we get to the draft, 562 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: they all come down a little bit because we value 563 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 3: pass rushers over run stoppers. 564 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: And that's why I kind of moved him down before. 565 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, Darius Alexander to me, like there's ones where 566 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm probably leaning a little hot or maybe 567 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little cold, Like I don't like he's my No, 568 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: he's my forty seventh player, buck And that's like one 569 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: guy telling me that he looks like the forty seventh pick, 570 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: Like I like, that's his value. 571 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I have him as the fifty tackle. 572 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: I look at him on tape and I'm like, maybe I'm. 573 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: Off, like because I see him moving, I see all 574 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 3: the athletic. 575 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Stuff, super hot, and I'm like, man, like why can't 576 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: he go? Like why can't he a little older? 577 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know that anybody cares anymore, like why why. 578 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: Can't he why can't he go? Or whatever? 579 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: And then I'm pulling up. I wanted to see when 580 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: Chris Jones was drafted because I remember watching Chris Jones 581 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: early too. 582 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: He was thirty seventh, he. 583 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: Was thirty seventh overall, but DJ, I remember watching him 584 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: in Mississippi. 585 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: State, and he has some other stuff, but like, I'm like, look. 586 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: Man, this dude is over here. You don't see big 587 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 3: guys that can move like that. And his movement as 588 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: a bigger guy is different at de tackle then Ken 589 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: Grant even a little different than Mason Graham in terms 590 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: of movement. And I just think we've seen time and 591 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: time again they will look at the three. 592 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: And be like, man, how did he How was he 593 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: a second round pick? Yeah? 594 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's a He is a good football player. 595 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: I squeezed him into the back end of a couple 596 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of mock drafts. I think I had him with the 597 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: run early. 598 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: Because and but I know DJ well enough to know me, like, 599 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, where's this name come from? 600 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: This name? 601 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: This name is out the blue. It's one of the 602 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: first and second mock drafts. I was like, okay, all right, 603 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 3: a little birdie's tipped them off. Let me go in 604 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: there and find him. 605 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he just looks different when you're watching the 606 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Toledo tape and you're kind of jamming through all the 607 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: dts and you're like, Okay, that looks a little different 608 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: than the rest of these dudes. I've been watching. So 609 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: now I'm I'm excited for this thing to get here. Dude, 610 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: we've we've kind of made it down to the end. 611 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: I keep saying the same thing that everybody. My message 612 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: to teams is very is very simple. Get you three. 613 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Just go get your three starters in this draft wherever 614 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: you can find them. Don't worry about the positions. This year. 615 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: You come out of this thing where a starting tight 616 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: end running back in DT. You're gravy like they're out there. 617 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: Go find them, Go get them. 618 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: And then get out because next year is going to 619 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: be I'll say. 620 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: You want to know something crazy, yep, I was looking 621 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: this up. I gotta confirm it, but I believe Philadelphia 622 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: has twelve picks next year. 623 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: Twelve. 624 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: All those guys they lost in free agency, they got paid. 625 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, the DT got big money with the Patriots. 626 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: Milton Williams, you've got a sweat who got good money. 627 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: Beckton got a little bit of money, you know. On 628 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: and on and on. They lost, they lost some guys, 629 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: and so of course Howie Roseman's already locked and loaded 630 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: for next year. 631 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: But of course he is. 632 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: Of course he's locked and loaded and wants to put 633 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: it in So Anyways, all right, we got to run. 634 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: This has been a fun one. We appreciate you guys 635 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: hanging with us. We are almost there. I've got my 636 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: press conference, a conference call thing coming up, so that'll 637 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: be released I think sometime Friday. Maybe it leads into Saturday, 638 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: but that's coming up. So that's I don't think this 639 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: one's is longbock. The other ones man the first one 640 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: we went over three hours, so I'm hoping that's not 641 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: the case here. 642 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: It's a lot of a lot of info, a lot 643 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: of questions, a lot of random. 644 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 3: Hey DJ, hey, hey, tell me about the dB at Cataba. 645 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. 646 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: Watched a lot of Monmouth tape over the last couple 647 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: of weeks. 648 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: By the way, I do love. 649 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: The fact that the Montana State quarterbacks getting some love 650 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: because when I did watch him, he is fun. He 651 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: ran four three, He's like he's fun. 652 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 653 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: The conversation about him kind of being an at h 654 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: at athlete, kind of moving around, being an offensive weapon. 655 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: I will say this, he dominated for them at that level. 656 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: I mean, they were a fun offense to watch. He 657 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: was all over the place. Yeah, good player. 658 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for its appreciate you hanging. 659 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here, I'll move the 660 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: sticks