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Speaker 1: Welcome to that moment with Damon John and I am

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Speaker 1: Damon John, and today we are going to get into

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Speaker 1: it with the legendary Iced team.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: When you found out your album now is being blocked

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Speaker 1: by Warner how was the initial reaction.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the initial reaction.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean with the cop Killer record?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I know that they weren't gonna

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Speaker 1: put out anymore. You know, you worked hard on that,

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Speaker 1: on that album, and you know they just said we're

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Speaker 1: not going to back this anymore.

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Speaker 3: And I know that that's not how it happened day.

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Speaker 3: It didn't happen like that, all right. We made this

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Speaker 3: song called cop Killer. I was on Sire Warner Brothers,

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Speaker 3: and the record came out and it did phenomenal. The

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Speaker 3: album came out of when gold Warner Brothers was really

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Speaker 3: excited about it. You know, we actually had a party

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Speaker 3: for the success of the record, and then we got

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Speaker 3: hit by the Fraternal Order of Police out of Austin,

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Speaker 3: Texas that said cop Killer was the cause of this

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Speaker 3: problems or drama. Really, the police were under siege, just

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Speaker 3: like they're under siege now, and somebody smart said, why

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Speaker 3: don't we just push the narrative at Warner Brothers. Warner

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Speaker 3: Brothers put out this record. Now, they couldn't really get

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Speaker 3: mad at me because I'm a black man and I'm

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Speaker 3: making noise about the corruption We've been dealing with our

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Speaker 3: whole life. But they were like, Warner Brothers, big corporation,

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Speaker 3: how can you allow this man this platform. But Warner

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Speaker 3: Brothers stood stayed down with me. Jeral Levin, who was

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Speaker 3: ahead of time, Warner wrote a big letter to the

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Speaker 3: Washington I mean to the to Wall Street Journal, and

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Speaker 3: they backed me. They backed me as much as they could.

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Speaker 3: It hit them in the stock you know, stock prices

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Speaker 3: started to drive and what the problem was. What I

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Speaker 3: was saying. They understood. But they're a white corporation. They're

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Speaker 3: a corporation. They're part of the system. So now this

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Speaker 3: is challenging them and their stockholders. Now you got to remember,

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Speaker 3: at the time, Warner Brothers had myself, They had Prince,

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Speaker 3: they had Slayer, they had Sam Kiniston, they had Andrew

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Speaker 3: Dice Clay, they had the Ghetto Boys, they had a

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Speaker 3: lot of controversial edgy artists. Madonna and Warner knew that

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Speaker 3: as soon as they allowed them to censor me it

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Speaker 3: was going to be a problem. And I went into

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Speaker 3: a meeting with Lenny Warnaker and Moe Austin and they

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Speaker 3: this is it. You're an artist on Warner Brothers. And

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Speaker 3: the guy put a quarter on the table. He said,

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Speaker 3: to see the size of this quarter. This is how

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Speaker 3: big Warner Music is compared to Time Warner. We're so

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Speaker 3: you're a dot on that small quarter and what you're

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Speaker 3: doing is it's hurting the entire thing. So I was like, damn,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I just kind of felt some kind

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Speaker 3: So what happened was the next album I was putting

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Speaker 3: out was a rap album which was called Home Invasion.

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Speaker 3: And when I went in there to do that record,

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Speaker 3: when I turned it in, they had me come in

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Speaker 3: and they had every word on the record written out

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Speaker 3: in big letters on a board. They were going through

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Speaker 3: every little thing and there was some there was some

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Speaker 3: sketchy lyrics in there. I had a lyrics said I

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Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about a cop or a g man.

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Speaker 3: They all talk shit. They're breast smelling like semen. I

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Speaker 3: catch him in that alley all alone put them in

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Speaker 3: the prone pop pop pop to the dome. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you killing cops again, right, But I'm like this gangster

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Speaker 3: that I eventually just said, you know what, let me go.

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Speaker 3: I asked for the release. I said, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: like me and you are in business, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: my politics is messing with your money. But we friends.

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Speaker 3: Let me go. Man, I'm no hard feelings, and I

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Speaker 3: never had a hard feeling with Warner Brothers. And what

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers did that was very cool. The Home Invasion

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Speaker 3: album was about a half a million dollar album to make.

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Speaker 3: They gave it to me. They never recouped it. They

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Speaker 3: just said here, good luck Ice, because you got to remember,

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Speaker 3: for so many years, like ten years, I was the

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Speaker 3: number one rapper on that label. They loved me. They

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Speaker 3: you know, I had done nothing but bring them golden

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Speaker 3: platinum records six six consecutive golden platinum records, so they

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Speaker 3: in a sticky situation, and that's what happened A lot

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Speaker 3: He said, I folded. Chuck d said the best. He said,

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Speaker 3: those that are don't in the wars shouldn't comment on

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Speaker 3: the battles. You have no idea what was really going

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Speaker 3: on behind the scene. But that was it. But Warner

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Speaker 3: never really did Low. They didn't do Low. They was

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Speaker 3: just a bad situation.

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Speaker 1: History is proven, or history is reflected only the times

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Speaker 1: that large corporations or any company turned their back on people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we do see.

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Speaker 1: Nike will stand on the side of what they believe

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Speaker 1: and we can use them. But I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard of a music label, especially a label that

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Speaker 1: wasn't backed by like, let's say, a young person hip

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Speaker 1: like you, right like you. I've heard of Jimmy I

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Speaker 1: heard of a couple of people, and I never heard

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Speaker 3: So you know what it was name, I don't think

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Speaker 3: they were backing me as much as they was.

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Speaker 2: Back in the back in the principle overall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, once they censor you. Yeah. And if you notice

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Speaker 3: at the end of it, there was no more Warner

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Speaker 3: Music at some point. The last thing was when death

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Speaker 3: in and shut that whole ship down. But nah, they

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Speaker 3: they pretty much all the edgy groups left Warner Brothers

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Speaker 3: at that time. Uh, and they knew that. They explained

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Speaker 3: that to me, they like, it's bigger than you.

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Speaker 2: It's where you go after that, though.

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Speaker 1: You know what, because I'm trying to find at that moment,

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Speaker 1: that moment you're saying you were you were you were,

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Speaker 1: you were doing well on there ten years in you

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Speaker 1: would already well, we'll get to the origin of when

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Speaker 1: you decided to put that gangster rap on an actual

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Speaker 1: album and go out there. But where did you Where

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Speaker 1: did you go right after that? What were your options

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Speaker 1: that moment when you were like, let me go. Did

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Speaker 1: you already think, I listen, I'm getting my guys in

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Speaker 1: the sticky situation, I have other opportunity. Did you feel

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Speaker 1: like were you, being, of course courted by other people

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Speaker 1: like what was that moment in your life?

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Speaker 3: It was it was nerve wrecking man, because you know

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Speaker 3: we I was red hot. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The cop Killer record, even though it was it was

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Speaker 3: in trouble, it went, it sold a million records. Every

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Speaker 3: record up to that point Iced Tea was either gold

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Speaker 3: or platinum, so I wasn't on a downstroke. But I

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Speaker 3: were afraid to touch me, you know, And I basically

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Speaker 3: went over to Priority Priority. Brian Turner over Priority was

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Speaker 3: let's do it. We'll do the Home and I did

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Speaker 3: two albums a Priority.

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Speaker 2: Oh year was this.

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Speaker 3: I can't even tell you the year. I know that

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Speaker 3: cop Killer shit hit in ninety two, so it was

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Speaker 3: probably ninety three ninety four, trying to drop another record.

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Speaker 3: But Brian Turner put out the Home Invasion album, then

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Speaker 3: he put out the Return of the Real album, and

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Speaker 3: then later on he put out the Gangs Rap album.

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Speaker 3: So I went over the Priority because they were like

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Speaker 3: And then body Count went over to Virgin because Virgin

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Speaker 3: You know. That's that's Richard Branson in them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was already rebel himself. He was already down

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Speaker 1: there in trouble for himself. Yeah, that's why, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah. I mean, you know what, if you're moving records,

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Speaker 3: it's not going to be a problem to find a home.

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Speaker 3: I remember we went over to UH when we went

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Speaker 3: to when I went to Virgin, I went over there

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Speaker 3: with my balls. I let my balls hang like they

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Speaker 3: were like. We were like, what do we want for

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Speaker 3: the record? I said, I need a million up front.

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Speaker 3: I need a million dollars up front. I said, don't

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Speaker 3: offer me three hundred thousand. I got to watch the

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Speaker 3: cost three hundred thousand. Let's let's talk some numbers. I said,

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Speaker 3: give me the equivalent of the album going platinum up front.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't think the record's going to go platinum,

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Speaker 3: why are we here? Why are we here? I need

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Speaker 3: to be someplace that knows you can move a million records,

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Speaker 3: because I've done it before. And they leaned back in

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Speaker 3: twenty millions. But that was big.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's wind it back, because I want

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Speaker 1: to know when when you were frustrated and you know nothing,

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Speaker 1: you know ewing, you know, we're boys.

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Speaker 2: I know these served this country. I know that. Also

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Speaker 2: you you you was a bad guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were doing what you had to do

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Speaker 1: when you decided at that moment to create your first single,

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Speaker 1: your first song. Can I can I ask you what

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Speaker 1: was going through your head around that time? What were

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Speaker 1: the records that were motivating you at that time? Because

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Speaker 1: you know me, when I was coming up, it was

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Speaker 1: a it was a rising to the top by Kenny Burke,

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Speaker 1: or it was public enemy, fear of you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: fear of a black planet and stuff like.

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Speaker 2: That, and I, oh, no, rock him paid in full.

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Speaker 1: I'm driving my car going, I'm gonna get paid in full, right,

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Speaker 1: What were the songs of that time when you were

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Speaker 1: and you were just you were frustrated or excited. What

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Speaker 1: was the songs that you remember at that time at

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Speaker 1: that moment for the most part.

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Speaker 3: Well, I first started hearing rap when I was in

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Speaker 3: the Army, and you know, I went out of high school.

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Speaker 3: I went in the Army and there were New York

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Speaker 3: kids there from and they had the tapes you know before.

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Speaker 3: So I was hearing Flash and I was hearing Trench

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Speaker 3: with three and all that on cassette tapes. And when

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Speaker 3: Sugar Hill Gang came out, I was like, I could

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Speaker 3: do that, you know, I could do that because I've

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Speaker 3: been saying raps for the gang bangers in the streets.

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Speaker 1: So you used it in the form and I always said, everybody,

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Speaker 1: About gangs and stuff. You can think about it that

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Speaker 1: don't ever cross the line. Don't disrespect me because this

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Speaker 1: it's a mentality of Listen, I know you got dirty

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Speaker 3: see your offer. And I don't know whether you're a

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Speaker 3: They're gonna find everything you don't know and take advantage

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna explain to you what you're publishing. They're

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00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: gonna hit you every place. You don't think they don't

435
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: think you know. But my boy used to say, they're

436
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: been fucking us long enough, we should not a fuck

437
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: by never. I don't think it's I think it's just

438
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: the streets translate to business very well.

439
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: Well, can I can? I?

440
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: You know, because a lot of a lot of people

441
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: are going to be trying to move their career every

442
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 1: every day somebody the fairy getting cancel or whatever. But

443
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: let me add, when is that not work for you?

444
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: You know this mentality and if you ever said I

445
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: went too hard or I didn't know what I didn't know,

446
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean, can you do you?

447
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Can you recall any times or that moment when you say,

448
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I should have gave them another chance.

449
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: But I had I had developed such a hard shell

450
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: that they weren't trying to fuck me, but I thought

451
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: they were. I mean, or or or listen, somebody could

452
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: have been trying to fuck you and you regretted it

453
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: at the time, you reflect and seeing what they did

454
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: to other people after you and they will you were like, yeah, yeah,

455
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know not really.

456
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: I'm I'm very smooth. I'm very smooth when I deal

457
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: with people. It's always a soft touch, and I make

458
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: sure that people around me have a soft touch. That's

459
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: the biggest problem. My crew, like the guys I got

460
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: working for me, they not as seasoned in this as

461
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: I am. So you know, even this the way you

462
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: know a lot of brothers, the way they talk people

463
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: like they're extorting me. No, no, ask them for the

464
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: money you owe them. That's all. But that there, I

465
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: have to like work with my guys like, look, man,

466
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: you can't you're scary, like you know, don't be like that.

467
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: But noah, I mean nah, I've learned a lot. I've

468
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: been in a lot of rooms with people I've dealt with,

469
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: you know, big heavyweight executives, and they're gangster, you know,

470
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: they're the way they handle business. Like I always say,

471
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 3: like in business, the trick is, like me and Dick

472
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 3: Wolf's relatelationship, is we make the deal. I stick to

473
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: the deal.

474
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: That's it.

475
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: There's a moment when we get to negotiate, we go

476
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: back and forth. Now I think I'm worth this ice.

477
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: I can get Brad Pitt for that. Come on, man,

478
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: well come on man, this, that and the third. Come on,

479
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 3: I'm the only black man on the show. I might

480
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: throw the race card in there. I'm trying to get

481
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: paid right. Oh wow. But then after we come to

482
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: that negotiation and it's done, I stick to the deal,

483
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: and so does he. That's gangster. I don't come back

484
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: halfway in the middle of the contract one that no no, no,

485
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: no no. So he knows. Once I told you, Dick

486
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: Wolf said, iced tea is the least pain in my ass,

487
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 3: the best compliment I ever got, because you know, when

488
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: you have employees, the person who's the least pain is

489
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: your favorite person. You know, the one that's always coming

490
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: with problems and ideas and book man, come on, man,

491
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: you really close to the ads. You think you're doing

492
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: a lot, but you're really about to get fired. Because

493
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: you're driving me fucking crazy. So you know, my boy,

494
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: one of my other boys, said, the only thing gangs

495
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: about ice, he really is he does.

496
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: Not back up. Well hmmm, I like that.

497
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: I don't back up well. So in other words, everything's

498
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: cool until you tell me what I better do. Then naw,

499
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: because like you said, once, I allow that, I might

500
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: as well let you do whatever you want to me.

501
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: I might as well let you move in my house.

502
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, there's got to be

503
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: a point where and you got one too, where you're like, nah,

504
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: now not nah, now you're going to cross the line.

505
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Nah.

506
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: And you know, other than that, I'm fair game. I'm

507
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: play game fair well.

508
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: You know, your your history is coming up as a

509
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: as a really vocal music artists embarrass and you know,

510
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the real deal is. I mean,

511
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, I've been told you'll pimp. I told you

512
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: this that, and then you you you change your lifestyle.

513
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: It alters a little bit and you you know, our wives, friends,

514
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: and you changed to be just becoming a new dad again,

515
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: taking that path, beautiful white, very dedicated dad. What was

516
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: that moment when you you said, I don't know, I

517
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: feel like change. I mean, you know you didn't change immediately.

518
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: You were ready for change to be the guy that

519
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: we know now very beloved as a father or husband

520
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: of various other things, and no longer.

521
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: I mean you're a gangster at hard.

522
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: So it's very hard to explain Ice, but that moment

523
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: of being calm in your career, you know, going on

524
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: and being an actor, but the meantime being on stage

525
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: your shirt off, doing heavy metals and ship over here,

526
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, being on the player's ball, which

527
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: I think that's my favorite role of Ice, being on

528
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: the player's ball. Yeah, yeah, When when did you get

529
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: that form of like being just really comfortable whatever you

530
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: did and being a dedicated dad because I know, I

531
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: know the story when you know, so when you decided

532
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: to to you know, to be that person with Coco,

533
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: I know you gave her the phone and and said

534
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: any any any young lady call you answer this and

535
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what you you say it better than I do.

536
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: What was that that moment when you gave her the

537
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: phone and said boom.

538
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Well like like like this has been a long transformation,

539
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: you know. So the first transformation was leaving the streets

540
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: when I started making music and I got a little famous.

541
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: I just said, man, I'm done. I can't break the

542
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: law no more because you know, now all eyes are

543
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: on me and I don't want to get any of

544
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: you guys in trouble.

545
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: But how about you thinking not keeping it real?

546
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we just we're just seeing what happened to

547
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Gunner and all these dudes who they was making all

548
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: this money. But you know now they got rico chargers,

549
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: not they probably going to jail until you know, I

550
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 1: don't until aliens come down and start rapping it.

551
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: Well, there's a difference between fame and infamy. When you're infamous,

552
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: you don't nobody knows your name. You like low key,

553
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: and like I said, if everybody in the street knows

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: your name, so did the cops. So I had been

555
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: able to duck them. And when I decided and finally

556
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: start making a little record money, of course I went broke.

557
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: But that was a career change I made because now

558
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm doing interviews, I'm meeting people. You can't do that

559
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: and go out and break the law. And my other book,

560
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: I had this chapter called Too Famous to Steal, where

561
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: I went to do something and steal something some kids

562
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: came out of the house and wanted autographs. I'm like,

563
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: what the.

564
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what hold on? You went to steal what?

565
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: You was already famous and you were trying to steal something.

566
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you don't really get no

567
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: bread to your first, second, third album. So I had

568
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: a Porsche and I was trying to get a part

569
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Porsche and my boys just stole a Porsche and I

570
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: didn't want to pay for it, and they was full

571
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: of shit about getting a part I needed. I'm like,

572
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: where's the motherfuck car at where's the car? I'll go

573
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: get it.

574
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: Fuck that.

575
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: So I got a ratchet set, I got my boys.

576
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: I walked through this apartment building. I walked through this

577
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: apartment building. I pulled a car cover off the car.

578
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm in the car still in the park. Part probably

579
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: costs like a thousand dollars. I could have paid for it.

580
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: I was just it I wanted. Plus I was showing

581
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: my niggas. I knew I was still good with my ship.

582
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: But when I get in the car, all these little

583
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: kids come walking out the motherfucking house and they're like,

584
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: I see oh shit, So now their mothers and stuff

585
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: come out and I'm taking pictures in front of a

586
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: G in front of a G t A. I'm standing

587
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: there taking pictures because they saw me in breaking and

588
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: some ship and yeah, it's funny now. So then after

589
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: they all left, they thought that was my car. I

590
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: had to call the home. He's like, Yo, this car

591
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: can't be here in the morning. Get to move this

592
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: fucking car. But yeah, that's a chapter one of my

593
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: books called Too Famous to Steal. But long story short,

594
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: now made this transition. I'm going through all this music

595
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I left my I was with

596
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: my ex Darlene for like fifteen years, never got married,

597
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: and when I came to New York, we broke up.

598
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: You know, usually when you break up with a woman,

599
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: you really broke up.

600
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: A year or so earlier.

601
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: So we were we were together, but we weren't really

602
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: living like that, you know, and finalized when I came

603
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: to New York to do law and order, it was like, okay,

604
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: you might as well stop playing this charade out for

605
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: my son. Let's just cut it off. So now I

606
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: w was single out here for a couple of years.

607
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Didn't dig it. I didn't dig it because you know,

608
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: it's just a It's an illusion, you know. It's always

609
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: when you got your girl on your arm, all the

610
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: girls are fine. As soon as she gets off your arm,

611
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: these bitches change, they transform into all kinds of other

612
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: scary looking things. You know. It's just something about being single.

613
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: It's not it's fun. It's a weird warp. So when

614
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: you're young, it's cool because you're fuck anything. But when

615
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: you're older and you refine your taste, you know, you

616
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: ain't gonna see that shit you want walking around by yourself.

617
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: It's just not I think, you know, I think that

618
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: is a greeting call. When you're young, you'd fuck anything,

619
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: you know. I think you should write cars. You're young,

620
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: you fuck anything. When you get a little older, you

621
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: ain't gonna see the ship you want to fuck.

622
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: You know. I think that's pretty.

623
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 2: You know, you should write greeting car.

624
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: I think that's that moment. But let's go, let's go

625
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: into let's go further. Your taste, Yeah, you refine your taste.

626
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: So I met Coco. Now, when I was going after Coco,

627
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: I was watching a lot of the Osbourne.

628
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Ozzie and Sharon, and I was looking like, would Ozzie

629
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: have a mansion if it wasn't for sharing Osbourne, like,

630
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: this woman is running all the tours, running all his business.

631
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: Doesn't even seem like Ozzie would know how to pay

632
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: a phone bill. Ozzie is something different, right, But he's

633
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: wealthy because you got a woman to hold it together.

634
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: So me personally, I could get money for crossing t's

635
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: and dynay's. It's not my thing. It's not many artists things.

636
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: That's why artists have business managers, because you know you

637
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: you my business manager. You send me in a studio,

638
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Da da da da da, Send me over here, send

639
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: me over there. I will get money. But somebody gotta

640
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: pay the taxes. Somebody gotta you know, that ain't what

641
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: we want to do. We just want to make the money.

642
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: So I told when I met Coco, she was fine.

643
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: I was like, told her, I said, yo, I mean,

644
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm not really just trying to get another number in

645
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: my phone. I'm really trying to find somebody that wants

646
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: to ride. And she dug the flyness of me. She

647
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: was a chick. When I met her. I had on

648
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: a red snake skin suit, so she was like, ooh,

649
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: that's fly. See some girls, some girls want soft niggas,

650
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: and some girls want real niggas. You know, they don't

651
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: a soft nigga. They like, I'm not even into you.

652
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: You ain't got no base in your voice. Some women

653
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: want to man man. So she was like Coke, Yeah,

654
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: like put me in my place. You I like that shit.

655
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know, some chicks I

656
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: don't know. They can masculate niggas, but that's different. They

657
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: won't even fuck with us. They did. They just already

658
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 3: know that nigga Ice is too managed. Funny story, Whoopy

659
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: Goldberg was talking about Coco one day and she said, yeah, Coco,

660
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: that she's a dope sister, and they go sister, They said, uh, Whoop,

661
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: you know Coco's wife. She said, Coco been dealing for

662
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 3: twenty years with Ice teased managed ass. She's a She's

663
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: an honorary s that nigga. So anyway, when we got together,

664
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: I was just like, Yo, are we gonna do this?

665
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: Are we are? We? Are we gonna do this as

666
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: a couple And she was like, I'm down. So I

667
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: had a phone at the time, and I'm like, here,

668
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: take it. Start answering the calls and anybody that calls up,

669
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: just say who you are and take the message. At

670
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: that time, yeah, I was out in the street, but

671
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: I didn't have no chicks that could lay claim to me.

672
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: They were just chicks, you know what I'm saying. So

673
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: when they got the call, she's like, hey, what's up

674
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: is this? I no, this is Coco. Oh okay, Well

675
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: maybe they might hang up, maybe they might tell her

676
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: to leave a message. Sometimes I got the message. It

677
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: was such and such. But you know, when you out

678
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: in the streets and you you're a player, that girl

679
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: is calling from Atlanta. She ain't talked to you in

680
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: a year. She's just checking in. You know, we're going

681
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: to Miami. You're gonna be into Miami. You know that bullshit.

682
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.

683
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Right. So, anyway, Coco cleared the house in a beautiful way.

684
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: But then she would also take messages from my niggas.

685
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: So I would get messages like this from her. She's like,

686
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: uh baby, uh trigger said he left some bullets and

687
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: come on. Or The funny thing is like they would

688
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: call and it would be like this, yo, yo, what's good?

689
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: What's that? What's her? She'd be like, oh, this is Coco.

690
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: Same Nigga, Hey, Coco, what's the same Nigga's voice would

691
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: change when he would talk to her. So, you know,

692
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: it's been good. Now we've been together twenty two going

693
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: on twenty three years.

694
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: It's good man.

695
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: And uh, it was a smart move. You know, it

696
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: was a smart move for me. You know, it's dating scene.

697
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: Anybody knows out there it's toxic and it's full of

698
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: land mines, and uh, you know, I got the fuck

699
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: off the field for I called a body.

700
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: Did you find balance?

701
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: And that's interesting because she showed she's she's one of

702
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: the as you would say, I say too, she's one

703
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: of the nicest people you'll ever meet, right.

704
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: And.

705
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: She's not trying to be this trying She's just who

706
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: she is. And did you find.

707
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: That that kind offer friends? Change your perspective? One thing?

708
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: You know, not really I never really dated a white

709
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: girl before, you know, so my thing was like, you know,

710
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: I've been around white girls, I work with them and stuff,

711
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: but as far as actually being like in love and

712
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: all that, that was different for me. But you know,

713
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: I always say I'm a player. I don't really care.

714
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: You know, if a Martian bitch dropped down and was

715
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: saying the right shit, I'd be fucking green pussy right now.

716
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: There you go.

717
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: You like Captain Kirk because Captain Kirk.

718
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: Would would do it with anybody, bang everything in the universe.

719
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: My partner, my pimp, Buddy Rich, said, man, you just

720
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: look for a bitch. You could understand what the fuck

721
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: you be talking about. You just need somebody could comprehend. Boom,

722
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: that's you need comprehension, my nigga. So I was like, no,

723
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: Coco was dope. But I think I always say this,

724
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: and I say this in a weird kind of way,

725
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: but Coke and I are like like like like the

726
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: exact same thing, but turn into a woman and a male.

727
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: So think of it like, right, okay, uh, if my

728
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 3: gangster was feminine, it would be sexy, right. A woman's

729
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: power is sexy, being sexy, not being like a man.

730
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: She would be sexy, right, So that would result probably

731
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: in a big titty blonde right that and her gangster

732
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: is male, it would be a nigga a gangster. So

733
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: it's it's like we're very alpha of each of each

734
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: side of the spectrum. You feel me like she's an

735
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: alpha alpha woman. I'm an alpha male. And also I

736
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: think that like you and your wife, the trick is,

737
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: you have to find someone who matches your energy. Now,

738
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: if I go out by myself, I spin the room

739
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 3: when I walk in. That's iced tea. That's iced tea. Well,

740
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: she spends it too, she spends it on her own

741
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: sore for a week. We have equal power and we

742
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: are a good couple. If I'm with a chick that

743
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: doesn't have that same energy, my energy intimidates her, like

744
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: why you got to take pictures with all the people?

745
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 3: Why you got why you gotta that? If my wife

746
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 3: is with a weaker nigga, he like, why you gotta

747
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: wear that? You gotta you look too? You know, you're

748
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: dracking too much attention, So you gotta have a Both

749
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: people have to be very confident in who they are,

750
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: just like you and your wife. You know who you

751
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: are and she knows who she is. And that's why, y'all.

752
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: You know, we both dealt with chicks that are insecure,

753
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: and we both dealt with you know, So it's it

754
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: was a lucky lick, you know. And I was in

755
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: my forties when I met her, so you know, I've

756
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: done everything a nigga could do. I remember I told

757
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: my boy, I said, Yo, I'm thinking about getting married

758
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: to Coco. It's like, nigga, you donna have more sex

759
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: than a football team. Nigga, you have time to bring

760
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: bring that shit home.

761
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: That.

762
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Shit down, Like, what are you trying? What are you

763
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: trying to do? And I'm very happy and now with

764
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: my daughter. Our daughter is about the same age. I

765
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: quote Muhammad Ali. He says, when a man has a

766
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: child in the second half of his life, after he

767
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: turns fifty, it's like it resets me. It's like it

768
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: resets his life. It made me want to live forever.

769
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: It made me create new goals. Because you got bread,

770
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 3: you can start slowing down. But now not that new baby.

771
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: That new baby, and it's the best gift that I

772
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: could ever get. I see how much you love your daughter.

773
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: I think the difference with Chanelle and my other kids

774
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: is I'm very conscious of this baby. Like I had

775
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: my daughter when I was in high school. I was

776
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: ripping and running, so it was presence over presents. I

777
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: wasn't there. Yeah, you know, same way my son, my son,

778
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Ice happened right when I was becoming iced tea. You know,

779
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: I had never been famous before this was a whole

780
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: new thing. So I'm distracted by that just becoming Chanell.

781
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm comfortable. I'm in a cruise pattern. I was there

782
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: when Coco was pregnant, I went to the hospital, and

783
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: she now still sleeps in the bed with us, you know.

784
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: So I'm so much more connected to her than my

785
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: other kids. But it's been a beautiful.

786
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: Thing, you know, I really I took away a lot

787
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: of stuff here, a lot of a lot of a

788
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of gifts, really, and there's a

789
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of things that a lot of hitting gems in there.

790
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: And obviously, I mean I never thought of a when

791
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: you think of gangs of being a big titty blonde,

792
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, yeah, I get it though, I get it,

793
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because that that could be

794
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: gangs and big titty blonde, big titty brunette.

795
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Big titty whatever, little titty whatever.

796
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: I mean.

797
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, Barbara Corkran always saysf you all got big titties,

798
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: put uh put with with pigtails, you know so, But

799
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I gotta say, you know, when you when you when

800
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: you talk about young ice and you're advising a lot

801
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: of the younger people coming up now who look at

802
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: you and you you pretty much have done in your terms.

803
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: It hasn't been easy. A lot of people were against you,

804
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really done before. What you've accomplished in

805
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: regards of being very true to your your upbringing.

806
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: What would you say?

807
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: What is your go to.

808
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: In that moment when you have to make critical decisions

809
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: and you say do you trust your gut? Do you say,

810
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: I go back to these hold you know? What is

811
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: your kind of your thing that leads you back to

812
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of ice And no matter what, he's not

813
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna break these And I don't give a shit if

814
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: I lose everything, I'm not gonna go against this.

815
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: I never I would never betray my friends, you know.

816
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: I would never. You know. I'm not that guy you

817
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: know and the only person that can betray you with

818
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: somebody that you trust, you know, so I wouldn't. I'm

819
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: not that guy. I don't know, you know. I run

820
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: into lots of issues. I like to sleep on stuff,

821
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 3: you know. I like to like if something is difficult

822
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: to me to answer, I'm like, give me some time,

823
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: let me think on it. A lot of times I'll

824
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: wake up the next day, I was noticing a lot

825
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: of times things we stress off. Sometimes you just need

826
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: to make the phone call and just get that out

827
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: of the way, like just that postponing it. That anxiety

828
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 3: of it isn't usually as big as the actual issue

829
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: once you get to the people and you talk and

830
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 3: get that over with. But I just really, I just

831
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: don't fuck with bad energy no more. You know, I

832
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: know what bad energy is. I know when you're out

833
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: to do wrong and you're out to do bad things.

834
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: I just don't do that no more. I don't even

835
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: entertain it.

836
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Do you entertain people around you who are not putting

837
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: the energy towards you, but you hear them they talking

838
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: about other people.

839
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: They all are there. Yeah, So what happened?

840
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: Because sometimes as family, sometimes as people who you know,

841
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I tend to cut people off after years and I

842
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: look at the list, you know, at the end of

843
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: the year, and I go, this person's not a good

844
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: friend to themselves, They're never going to be a good

845
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: friend to me. Or maybe I don't mess with them

846
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: and there's something wrong with me. But whatever it is,

847
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: I can't change. I don't like them, and I just

848
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: I just kind of, you know, I let them know

849
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: where we're at, though, I let them know, Hey, I

850
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: can't mess with you on this level or that level.

851
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I tell him I'm clear because I don't want to be.

852
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want no misunderstandings. What do

853
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: you do about the people around here to do that?

854
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: But they're not. They never do it to you. Managers, lawyers, friends,

855
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: called colleagues.

856
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: They say, if you can't change some of your friends,

857
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: you have to change some of your friends. So I

858
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. Pretty much, I got my shit down

859
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: to a skeleton crew. I'll keep it one hundred. I

860
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: got it down to a skeleton crew. I got a

861
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: very very few people that I really fuck with to

862
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: where you know, I'm gonna return their phone calls if

863
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: they call me. I just don't fuck with people like that.

864
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Like a lot of one of my homies was like,

865
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: Ice is your friend? Yeah, as Ice ever called you?

866
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: Has he ever called you? Did you ever pill a phone?

867
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, man, how you doing? Okay? Think about

868
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: that for a minute, right, Like how does he call you?

869
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: I don't think. My dad used to tell me if

870
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: you can count your friends on your hand, it's a

871
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: big thing. It's very It's very rare that you have

872
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: people that you really let into your real world, like

873
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, like I know, grim's your man, I know

874
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: certain people. Those are people that are inside. Yeah, but

875
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: those people that are inside are the ones that can

876
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: hurt you the most. That they go less because they

877
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: have the access. So you just have to be very cautious.

878
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, Dan, you know, you're right. I think

879
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: it's your gut. I think by now your gut is

880
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: very seasoned and you can feel it, and you just

881
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: try to learn from your mistakes. You make mistakes, and

882
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: you like, I mean, you know, I didn't even doing business.

883
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: I just did a business deal with some people and

884
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: they came in and they act like they had a

885
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: lot of money, and then halfway through the deal they

886
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: ain't had no money. And I was like, I was like,

887
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: we can't even assume them. They broke And so I

888
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: told my partner, we cannot deal with broke mo fuckers,

889
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: Like before we start, we have to make sure they

890
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: can handle what they claim and they can hear. So

891
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: these are lessons. These are lessons. But you know, I

892
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: don't know, man, I don't know what makes me tick

893
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: at this moment. I just really just try to like

894
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: keep it positive, to keep you know. You know, my

895
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: thing is I've never counted on anybody other's health, hustle.

896
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: I think that's my success thing is I've never counted

897
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: on anyone else but me. And that's the scary part

898
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: of it is. Right now I'm trying to get into

899
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: other businesses. I'm trying to get it. You know, we're

900
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: starting a dispensary. I'm trying to find things that generate

901
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: money other than myself, because what if something does happen

902
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: to me and I physically can't get it, you know,

903
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: but I have to learn about those things because I've

904
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: always been the money person that generated the money. And yeah, man,

905
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. Man, it's hard to say. Man,

906
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: I think you just have a code. You have a

907
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: it's really your character. It's like, what is your character?

908
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: It's your character a good person? Or is your character

909
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: a shady person or a slick person? And you know,

910
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: I don't got no ops, I don't got nobody after me.

911
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: I don't have no no negative energy like that. I

912
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: don't want that shit. It ain't worth it, He's not.

913
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: Really you know.

914
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: I think I can vocalize it as well. I mean,

915
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with so much of what you've said,

916
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: but this is about you and me trying to go

917
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole with you and get that thought

918
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: process of you going. But I think it's the same thing,

919
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, after you've been through so much, all these

920
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: deals and people that come to you when it's a rush, right,

921
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: it was always a rush.

922
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: Hey, Cannas is hot this year, let's get it home.

923
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: Slow down. So oh hey, cryptos hot is you come on?

924
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: Come on, I need you to sign this.

925
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I need you to do this, like you know, and

926
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: it's so much of a rush, and you can't go

927
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: home and think about it.

928
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, why was it so much

929
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: of a rush? Also?

930
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's not necessarily the deals that you

931
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: you don't do that hold you up. The deals you

932
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: do because you get into the deals of these people

933
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily have money. Because it's funny, right, a

934
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: lot of people will come to you, me and the

935
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: people listening right now, and they go, oh, we're doing

936
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: all this, we're doing all that, we're doing that, but

937
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: we ain't got no money for you because we want

938
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: to why everybody else got picked why everybody else got paid?

939
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: What are you you doing all this?

940
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: And that? You know?

941
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, I like to do they go. You know,

942
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna take this over to ditty. I was

943
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: gonna take this leap. I'm gonna take it to you

944
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: for no, no no, take it to.

945
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: Them, take it to them. You know.

946
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: But I think I think that I think it. What

947
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: it really boiled down to is your gut, you know,

948
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: because you know.

949
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. One thing I like to say also with me

950
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: is that I hold friendships dear. You know, so I'm

951
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: friends with you. I'm friends with doctor Dre. But I'm like, say,

952
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: Dre Dray. But I never talked to Dre about music,

953
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 3: right m you know you're on Shark Tank. I've never

954
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: talked you about money. I never we don't talk about it,

955
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: you know. So I get around somebody like you know,

956
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: Jamon John, Oh shit, you should get him that. I'm like, look, see,

957
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: that's why you can't be his friend, because you know

958
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: that's not what he does. You know, if you're friends

959
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: with somebody like Dre, you want he wants you to

960
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: come over and play Xbox and leave like that. Just

961
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 3: be his friend, you know. If something generically happens, that's great.

962
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: But you know, I like people for who they are,

963
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: you know, and just have friendships. And that's hard in

964
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: this business because everybody's angling. You know, your boy will

965
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 3: come over and at the end of the night, after

966
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: you done had fun drank, here comes a pitch you like,

967
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: this is what this whole thing was about. This pitch

968
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: you got for me, Like, come on, man, take it easy.

969
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's different. Different people see things different ways,

970
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, and so I I see things my way,

971
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: and you know, I always say, I think, at the

972
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: end of the day, Dame, what really matters to me

973
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: is my legacy, not the money, not none of this shit.

974
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: Because when you're gone, you're just gonna give the money

975
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: to people who gonna fuck it off because they didn't

976
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: have the acremen to get it in the first place.

977
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: So it doesn't mean they're gonna have the acremen to

978
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: hold it. They're gonna fuck it off. So you know,

979
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: the only thing that really you leave is your reputation.

980
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: And if you are a great man, when people meet

981
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: your daughter or your wife, they go, oh that's DamID

982
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: John's people. Okay, let them through, Like my son is

983
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: in la this nigga telling me, oh, I got juice?

984
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: You got juice? How the fuck you got juice? You

985
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: telling them you little ice and they letting you through

986
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: the ropes. That's your daddy's juice you got, you know.

987
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: But my daughter's in Atlanta. When she says who she is,

988
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: people treat her like a little queen or princess. That's

989
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: what's important to me, my legacy. If I leave here

990
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: as a great man or a good man, then everyone

991
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: else gets to live off of that. Not the money.

992
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: It's my rep at the end of the day. Our

993
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: legacies is more important because that's what our families are

994
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: going to live off of. That's what you know, your

995
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: your wife, your kids, and on and on and on.

996
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: And we just had to be careful because they try

997
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: to scandalize you or do something ruin that, and that's

998
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: more important to need than anything else. So you know,

999
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: I've it's got to be careful and cautious because they

1000
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 3: they hate to see, you know, especially black men, become

1001
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: successful and pull it off and leave, you know, on

1002
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: a good note, you know, And that's what my thing

1003
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: is about, you know. So I'm very careful and trying

1004
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: to stay you know straight, So my kids and my

1005
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: wife and anybody who represents me.

1006
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: Can be proud right well, Listen, man, I always learned

1007
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: something new when we hang out. And I love the

1008
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: fact of going down this kind of history path. Of

1009
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: that moment, the moment that you know, you realize that

1010
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: you were famous and you couldn't no longer live the

1011
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: life that you will leave it even though you didn't

1012
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: have necessarily money, of the moment that you have to

1013
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: deal with with the decision of facing Warner and or

1014
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: you were going through the moment of you know, meeting

1015
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: your your wife and changing your life.

1016
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: And and moving to New York and you know, moving

1017
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: away from your you know who you were with.

1018
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: So a lot of decisions have to be made in

1019
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: your life, man, And I'm glad you took the moment

1020
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: today to share it with us.

1021
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: And you always inspire me a lot.

1022
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: Of times you're just telling me things that I didn't

1023
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: know if I did the right thing or anybody else

1024
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: felt like like I feel, you know, as I'm still

1025
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: trying to learn and grow. So I appreciate you spending

1026
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: time with me, man, and thank you for being on

1027
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: that moment.

1028
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, you know what, Oh at the end of

1029
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: the day, man, you know what I learned is that

1030
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: it's always going to be you, just on you, by yourself.

1031
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 3: There's not a group of people to help you when

1032
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: shit goes wrong, It's going to be on you. And

1033
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: and closing, I try to tell everybody, nobody wakes up

1034
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: in the morning with your dream whatever you want to do.

1035
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: You could think you've got partners, but nobody wakes up

1036
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: thinking about what you want. And the only way it's

1037
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: gonna happen is that you do it. Because I could

1038
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: be on the sidelines. I'm helping you, but I don't

1039
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: wake up with your dream. That's your dream, all right,

1040
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: that's sure. Thank you brother. All Right, Pete Dame, I've

1041
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 3: talked to you soon.

1042
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: All right, you gotta all right. And this has been

1043
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: that Moment with Damon John.

1044
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,200
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1045
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,080
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1046
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:48,279
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1047
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,800
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1048
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1049
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,520
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1050
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