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Speaker 1: The intensity was back up at Patriots training camp on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Big plays on both sides of the ball. Let's break

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Speaker 1: it all down. Welcome everybody to the Patriots training camp

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Speaker 1: cast on Mike you So, joined by Paul Perlo and

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre and guys. This was just a fun practice,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, some big plays.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think both sides of the ball had some moments,

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Speaker 1: but Paul would stood up most of you today.

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Speaker 3: I thought Drake may mainly made some nice passes downfield.

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Speaker 3: First time we really got to see him throw it

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Speaker 3: a little bit, say, beyond the ten yard mark with

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Speaker 3: any sort of consistency. There was ups and downs, and

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Speaker 3: that's why I think the coaches will probably be happy

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Speaker 3: because I think both sides of the ball had things

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Speaker 3: to be encouraged about, but also plenty of things.

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Speaker 2: To try to correct. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Big play of the day probably a big throat to

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Speaker 4: Pop Douglas.

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Speaker 5: Play of camp so far, exactly what we all love

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Speaker 5: to see from Drake, you know, off script, rolling to

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Speaker 5: his right, flicked it off of one foot like fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty five yards in the air to Pop Douglas,

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Speaker 5: and you could see it developing. You're like, oh, he's

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Speaker 5: going to get behind the safety there, and Drake put

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Speaker 5: it right on them. So it was exactly the offscript

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Speaker 5: play that you're probably imagining in your head is exactly

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Speaker 5: what it looked like on the field. So that was

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Speaker 5: really good to see. But like Paul said, and there's

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Speaker 5: some ups and downs. Like I thought, there were some

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Speaker 5: incompletions in this practice, maybe a few more than what

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Speaker 5: we seen in previous practices from Drake, but overall you

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Speaker 5: saw some of those deep bombs down the field, which

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Speaker 5: is what we wanted to see as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two days of practice was primarily focused

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Speaker 1: on first and second down, a lot of completions, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of incompletions, balls hitting the ground. Today they

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Speaker 1: add in third down a little bit more aggressive, so

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Speaker 1: I think the pressure was on a little bit more

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Speaker 1: figuratively and you know, literally on the field with some

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Speaker 1: of the defensive players getting in the backfield. Robert Splane,

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Speaker 1: key On White, Milton Williams, those guys were all again

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Speaker 1: disruptive at times, but again the offense still managed to

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Speaker 1: make some place.

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Speaker 2: I would totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I thought the running backs got free a few times

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Speaker 3: on the linebacker. Splane did show some. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think you had back to back plays we had nice

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Speaker 3: you know, pass perps, but on the downfield stuff, I

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Speaker 3: thought they were susceptible. That's why I think it's probably

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Speaker 3: a good sign. We've talked about a couple of times

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Speaker 3: in the last few years about how we would come

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Speaker 3: in from these days while the defense just dominated today,

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Speaker 3: or you know, the defense looked like they were out

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Speaker 3: to lunch today. Today, I thought there was kind of

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Speaker 3: some ups and downs for both sides. Pass protection, we'd

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Speaker 3: be my number one concern still, and I just can't

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Speaker 3: wait for Monday so I can stop giving the caveat

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Speaker 3: of well, they're not in pad, so we don't know yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Evan, we got a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: precursor today.

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Speaker 2: There were some one on ones.

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Speaker 1: Usually that those drills reserved for when the pads do

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Speaker 1: come on. Seems like they're setting the stage a little

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Speaker 1: bit for that. But you know, as much as the

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Speaker 1: team periods might have been inconsistent with the protection.

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Speaker 4: You did see some good stuff in those individual drills.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I thought Will Campbell had two really good reps at

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Speaker 5: left tackle against you frontline players, Kean White, Anthony Jennings,

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Speaker 5: so that was good to see. Anybody that tries to

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Speaker 5: beat Will Campbell around his edge, it's tough. When you

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Speaker 5: get a beat, it's usually to the inside, which we

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Speaker 5: I'm with Paul, it's a it depends on which way

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Speaker 5: you want to look at it. From Deuce's perspective, his

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Speaker 5: defense and his pass rush was getting after it. From

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Speaker 5: the offenses perspective, there definitely was some pressure on the

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Speaker 5: quarterback today during the team periods that needs to be

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Speaker 5: cleaned up, especially I would say the free runners's it's

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Speaker 5: That's going to happen from time to time, you know,

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Speaker 5: from time to time. But today I thought there were

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Speaker 5: two three instances where guys were coming in free unblocked,

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Speaker 5: and those are the ones that you want to get,

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Speaker 5: you know, taken care of there.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you and I watched practice together, I want

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Speaker 1: to highlight something. I don't know if Paul saw this

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Speaker 1: Usually the first team defense or whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: seemed to me today and Ev and I were talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Paul don't know this if you

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Speaker 1: notice this, but it seemed like they and ja Bill

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Speaker 1: Peppers was a little banged up too. I think for

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Speaker 1: a moment maybe that played into it, but it seemed

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Speaker 1: like the safety position, guys like Craig Woodson, Jalen Hawkins,

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Speaker 1: you know, Marcus Dep's getting maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 4: And if you can comment on that.

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Speaker 6: A little bit, yeah, absolutely, And we said this off there.

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Speaker 5: I believe they're trying to find that third safety, you know,

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Speaker 5: who is going to be that guy when it's dime situations,

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Speaker 5: third downs, not only to be that third safety, but

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Speaker 5: more specifically to play up top as that free safety

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Speaker 5: potentially in the deep part of the field, especially the

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Speaker 5: something that they're still looking for. They probably just my

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Speaker 5: breed on it. Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers, you know

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Speaker 5: what they're good at, and they're better closer to the

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Speaker 5: line of scrimmage, they're better playing in the box. They're

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Speaker 5: better when they're moving downhill instead of moving backwards. And

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Speaker 5: my guess is that they're trying to allow those guys

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Speaker 5: do that, they have to find a third safety who

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Speaker 5: Deron Harmon, Devin mccordy type roles. So I think they're

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Speaker 5: still looking for that, not that they don't have it,

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Speaker 5: but they're just still trying to figure out who that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Kyle Dugger part of this is something I've

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Speaker 3: noticed since day of camp. When they go nickel or

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Speaker 3: you know, the multiple defensive backs. There have been a

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Speaker 3: lot of occasions where he's come out. So I didn't

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Speaker 3: really notice Pepper's getting nicked up at all today. So

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Speaker 3: you guys might be right about that, but I totally

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Speaker 3: agree with Evan's assessment. You got to find out what

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Speaker 3: the other guys can do. They need someone who sort

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Speaker 3: of profiles to that old Devin mccordy kind of style,

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Speaker 3: and you're going to find out if Hawkins can do it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna find out if the rookie Craig Woodson can

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of reps today. I did notice that.

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Speaker 1: Tug a little housekeeping, Paul, you've been here longer than

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Speaker 1: Evan and I have, and I've never quite seen Morgan

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Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson weren't there for the start of practice. They

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Speaker 1: came in about halfway through, and then they hopped right

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Speaker 2: I was surprised.

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Speaker 3: They're clearly they were trying to keep them fresher because

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Speaker 3: they might they probably both dealing with something because they

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Speaker 3: spent some time warming up with some trainers late. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if there's anything more to it than that,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, you're right. As soon as the first team

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Speaker 3: period came, they were both in there. A matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: I think Stevenson carried the ball on like the second

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Speaker 2: Start the first team period. So yeah, it was a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an odd setup. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A couple other at right tackle, yeah, yeah, a couple

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Speaker 1: other pieces that It looked like Jilani Tobai left uh.

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Speaker 1: He experienced a calf injury during the spring which limited him.

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Speaker 1: Initially he was able to come off, but maybe a

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Speaker 1: Davis looked like he was rehaving as well. Seems like

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Speaker 1: he's on some kind of plan where they're you know,

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Speaker 1: day on, day off kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: We'll see, we got a day off coming up. Pad's

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Speaker 4: coming up if he then.

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Speaker 2: Is able to go.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, no Jalen Polk, which continues to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a disappointment. He now missed this whole

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Speaker 1: first chunk of the first four practices, disappointing for.

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Speaker 4: Him in his second season. Then he hasn't been able

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Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to play catch up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So you don't want to look too much into

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Speaker 5: these early days of camp with Carlton Davis because Carlon

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Speaker 5: Dave's obviously going to be here and he's going to

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Speaker 5: contribute and play a big role. But it has given

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Speaker 5: us an opportunity, I suppose to see who are the

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Speaker 5: Jones are definitely the two guys that have been playing

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Speaker 5: the most when Carlon Davis is and here Austin just

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Speaker 5: immediately goes into that outside cornerback spot opposite a Gonzalez

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Speaker 6: So there's some intel there.

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Speaker 5: But I also just think Carlton Davis is one of

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Speaker 5: those guys that has had some injuries in the past,

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Speaker 5: and they might look at it and say, these maintenance days,

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Speaker 5: as Mike Rabel described it the other day, maybe that's

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Speaker 5: what's best for him to try to keep him healthy

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Speaker 5: for the entire season. So maybe it will be a

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Speaker 5: one day on, one day off thing for Carlton Davis

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Speaker 4: So we just had a little bit of a kicker

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Speaker 4: period as well. Eight total kicks.

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Speaker 1: We didn't double check these, I mean, this was from

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Speaker 1: our purse, but we had Borgalis two for four and

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Speaker 1: then we had Romo three for four and without what

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Speaker 1: you saw down below.

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Speaker 2: So it was fun.

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Speaker 3: There were some questions, I mean, and I'm not making

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Speaker 3: fun of anyone because it's kind of hard to really determine.

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Speaker 3: I had Borer Gallas three for four and I had

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Speaker 3: Romo four for four. I'm not telling you I'm right

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Speaker 3: and you're wrong. Did he definitely Borgyles definitely if he

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Speaker 3: missed two.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. The first two very close.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had those two, the first one definitely,

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Speaker 2: Will both go in sideway. I don't like that.

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Speaker 3: I was I felt better the last two they were

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Speaker 3: more traditional with the height that you're looking for and

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Speaker 3: over end. So maybe he sort of got rid of

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Speaker 3: those jips that because I don't like the way that

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Speaker 3: some of those kicks came off his foot.

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Speaker 4: That's what I said to Evan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the first two questionable at best, and then

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Speaker 1: that third one was a fifty yarder and he kind

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Speaker 1: of felt like he needed it and it did feel

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Speaker 1: like he hit that one, So you know, something to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on these kicker competitions. You never know

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Speaker 1: quite how it's all going to come together. But we'll

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Speaker 1: see if he can turn it around next week. So guys,

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Speaker 1: anything else I'm missing. Of course, we're going to go

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Speaker 4: We all are excited for that for sure.

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Speaker 1: This felt like a really good practice though, to set

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Speaker 1: Both sides made plays. I think both are going to

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Speaker 2: Totally agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I have one final thing that I'll just say about

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Speaker 3: had a really good start to camp, and I thought.

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Speaker 2: Today was probably his best day.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna everybody's gonna talk about the bomb, and that

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Speaker 3: he's caught everything thrown his way to Mario Douglas has

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Speaker 3: been a very productive player for them, and that's what

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Speaker 3: a lot of people thought that he could be in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he looks looks the part and then some of

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Speaker 5: that slot receiver role. And I think there were some

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Speaker 5: McDaniels prototype to play inside at a high volume in

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Speaker 5: a high volume targets guy with his body type. But

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Speaker 5: he's just looked fantastic. I mean it's not even just

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Speaker 5: that he's getting open. He's also making some incredible catches,

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Speaker 2: Talking about, things that would think could be in his

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we actually posted one of those

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Speaker 5: our social medias. But it's really, uh, that's what stood

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Speaker 5: and you can separate. But his ball skills have been

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Speaker 5: always seems to have good camps because he's so fast

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Speaker 5: and shifty that when you can't get your hands on him,

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Speaker 5: it's really hard to cover him. But these feel real,

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Speaker 5: more real than some of those just little seven yard

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Speaker 3: We got room, Yeah, we got room where you know,

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Speaker 3: you know what when you see it's you know, it

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Speaker 3: looks the right way, it looks the right way.

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Speaker 4: It's plenty of room at my bandwagon always.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's going to wrap up this first what prologue

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Speaker 1: of practices, the helmet and shells version, and we're going

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Speaker 1: Practice and if you can't make it to that, we'll

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