Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford next to my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz.
Speaker 1: Were coming to hear from our studios at lambeau Field.
Speaker 1: And first, let me start off by apologizing to our
Speaker 1: regular viewers and listeners with regards to our last show
Speaker 1: because I had to be out of town on Monday,
Speaker 1: and not just to get a new haircut, but because
Speaker 1: of that, we pre recorded a show to air on Monday.
Speaker 1: But then over the weekend all of the news about
Speaker 1: the new general manager and all that broke. And so
Speaker 1: for those of you who tuned in hoping to see
Speaker 1: a show about the new GM and everything, we certainly apologize.
Speaker 1: Sort of Murphy's law. No pun intended that things would
Speaker 1: happen when you think you have a plan in place
Speaker 1: to deal with an absence. But that being said, West,
Speaker 1: today is the day to talk about the Packers new
Speaker 1: general manager. His name is Brian Goodkin good akinst I
Speaker 1: have to work on the pronunciation. I think everybody does.
Speaker 1: I'm used to spelling it, you know, right. No, I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem, but um a tremendous football background
Speaker 1: in this guy I've known him for a long time
Speaker 1: within the Packers organization as he has climbed the ranks
Speaker 1: obviously over the last several years. Um, just a really
Speaker 1: personable guy. What in his background stands out the most
Speaker 1: to you? Well, I think it's the in state connections, Uh,
Speaker 1: and really the paradox between the way he was brought
Speaker 1: up and kind of how things have played out within
Speaker 1: the Packers organization. Starting with the in state connections. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that only forty four years old, actually
Speaker 1: played at u w lacrosse a few years after his
Speaker 1: father had been the head coach at the University of
Speaker 1: Minnesota with their football team, and that's where he started
Speaker 1: to get his start with football and played there for
Speaker 1: two years to stay in. The shoulder injury, which I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, serendipity, whatever you want to call it, actually
Speaker 1: probably put him on his course for his profession that
Speaker 1: he wanted to look into coaching. Really it was the
Speaker 1: doors that were open to him through scouting that that
Speaker 1: you know, kind of sort of gave him his path
Speaker 1: and received an opportunity from John Dorsey to come in
Speaker 1: and be an intern with the Packers. Spent a year
Speaker 1: with John Schneider in Kansas City, comes back as a
Speaker 1: college scout and getting back to the original point I made,
Speaker 1: you know, he traveled in his family, kind of had
Speaker 1: this vagabond lifestyle a little bit, being a son of
Speaker 1: a head coach or a football coach. And for him,
Speaker 1: he's been able to have stability since has been with
Speaker 1: the Packers organization, been in house since two thousand and
Speaker 1: twelve when he became the director of college scouting, and
Speaker 1: now here he is as the general manager, the tenth
Speaker 1: designated general manager in franchise history. It's funny to look
Speaker 1: back on his career when you look at that timeline up.
Speaker 1: What would it be like to be a scouting intern
Speaker 1: for a team coming off of a Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 1: I mean that that had to be such a unique
Speaker 1: and an interesting situation in terms of getting your start
Speaker 1: and obviously working immediately, working under a structure and a
Speaker 1: regime that was so successful, as you know, the Packers
Speaker 1: really were reborn there through the mid nineties, and then
Speaker 1: as a full time scout, really spent a lot of
Speaker 1: his time in the South and particularly the Southeast, so
Speaker 1: that sec that Southeastern Conference. He knows those schools, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe as well as anyone on the Packers staff. And
Speaker 1: uh that that's you know, where he cut his teeth,
Speaker 1: as they say, and and uh and began to uh
Speaker 1: to climb the ranks. Um obviously was chosen by President
Speaker 1: and CEO Mark Murphy over two other internal candidates, russ
Speaker 1: Ball and Elliott Wolf. Russ Ball getting um a new
Speaker 1: title as far as executive director of Football Operations, did
Speaker 1: I get vice president executive director of SO And we'll
Speaker 1: have some more thoughts on on the structure of things
Speaker 1: in our next segment. But um, but as far as
Speaker 1: where the Packers go from here, Brian Goodakunst is the
Speaker 1: new GM. He is in charge of the fifty three
Speaker 1: man roster and uh um it sounds like he's very
Speaker 1: excited about the partnership here coming up with head coach
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Yeah, he is. And the thing that's interesting
Speaker 1: about his upbringing too is that he has such a
Speaker 1: deep foundation, uh in this organization. You talk about Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy when he came back as a college scout in
Speaker 1: n That was in within three months of when McCarthy
Speaker 1: was brought in as the quarterbacks coach at the time, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he he was raised and developed under Is.
Speaker 1: He mentioned Scott McCluin, who went on to be the
Speaker 1: Washington general manager. That was one of the guys he
Speaker 1: kind of joked that he would always go to when
Speaker 1: guys were too scared to ask a question to Ron,
Speaker 1: they went to to McCluin instead. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: those relationships and you know, and and Elliot Wolf has
Speaker 1: a lot to figure out with his future right now,
Speaker 1: but he looked at that partnership that they had for
Speaker 1: a number of years, and you know, the pro and
Speaker 1: college perspectives they were able to provide to Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: and a guy that he really admires from that perspective.
Speaker 1: The big thing with this Mike was fit. And Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy made that very clear when he met with the
Speaker 1: media in his final news conference of the two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen season. He was looking for a GM that was
Speaker 1: going to be in that partnership with them, And Goudakun said,
Speaker 1: I mean he you know, when it comes to making
Speaker 1: tough calls on the roster, he's willing to go out
Speaker 1: there and step to the podium and explain his thought process,
Speaker 1: which is something that Mike McCarthy said he was looking
Speaker 1: for in the next GM, he said, he's a guy
Speaker 1: that's willing to have direct communication with different people. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that really values communication and he wants to
Speaker 1: open up those avenues. And we'll talk about this in
Speaker 1: a minute. But when you look at some of the
Speaker 1: breakdowns maybe they've had in recent years that Mark Mark
Speaker 1: Murphy was addressing, that's one of the things I think
Speaker 1: could ultimately help them, in addition to the fact that
Speaker 1: he is a very talented scout with a deep foundation
Speaker 1: in really analyzing, reviewing, and finding talent from the college level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Mark Murphy has changed the hierarchy a little bit,
Speaker 1: the structure of how things are gonna work. And we'll
Speaker 1: get to that after the breakback with moreen Packers Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford
Speaker 1: in this chair, West Hodkowitz and that one and West
Speaker 1: talking about what really comes down to a major restructuring
Speaker 1: of the Packers hierarchy. Um, you go back to the
Speaker 1: early ninety nineties when Bob Harlan hired Ron Wolf. There
Speaker 1: was one man in charge of the entire football operation
Speaker 1: and everybody answered to him. That structure is no longer
Speaker 1: in place. Brian Gudakunst rush Ball, Mike McCarthy are sort
Speaker 1: of the three men who are all in charge of football.
Speaker 1: They're different areas of the football operations and now all
Speaker 1: three of them individually will report to Mark Murphy as
Speaker 1: the president and CEO of the organization. A significant change,
Speaker 1: it was, and it Mike and it was interesting Mark
Speaker 1: Murphy when he originally met with the media to announce
Speaker 1: that Had Thompson would be moving into this new role.
Speaker 1: Uh he originally was planning for the GM two or
Speaker 1: the head coach to report to the g M. But
Speaker 1: as he went through the process, he said, it really
Speaker 1: opened his eyes to some areas where he thought they
Speaker 1: could you know, have some potential, um you know, areas
Speaker 1: to improve in. And one of the things that he
Speaker 1: came to, and it came up numerous times in both
Speaker 1: his interview and news conference and then Ulso in a
Speaker 1: side session with some some print reporters, is the idea
Speaker 1: that they need to knock down some silos that silos
Speaker 1: have been built up between the coaching staff, the scouts,
Speaker 1: different areas and they want to improve communication under on
Speaker 1: that point, that's something that Goodin said to when he
Speaker 1: was addressing with reporters afterwards is very important to him.
Speaker 1: He sees that he understands and he thinks there needs
Speaker 1: to be greater ties between the scouting department and the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. That maybe there was you don't want to
Speaker 1: say a wall, but but definitely not enough communication from
Speaker 1: that perspective. But it goes up higher than that. And
Speaker 1: the thing I think that was the biggest um you know,
Speaker 1: area that I took away from all of this is that,
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, the decisions they made here
Speaker 1: other than the head coach you know now reporting to
Speaker 1: Murphy was sort of putting print in pen and paper
Speaker 1: to something that had really been cemented the past number
Speaker 1: of years with Russ Ball's role, you know, with the
Speaker 1: general manager's role. Murphy said, I mean the GM that
Speaker 1: that job description they had for Ted Thompson was incredibly
Speaker 1: broad and there was a lot of stuff that he
Speaker 1: had really you know, handed over to Ball to handle
Speaker 1: so he could focus more on scouting. That's something that
Speaker 1: good at const is all four. He wants to do
Speaker 1: what he's good at. That's player acquisition, that's drafting, that's
Speaker 1: building a roster, and then now letting ball in addition
Speaker 1: to the contract negotiations and you know, handle more the
Speaker 1: administrative things. Yeah, And I found Mark Murphy's comments about
Speaker 1: the silos and trying to knock down the silos. I
Speaker 1: found that interesting because in previous shows last week we
Speaker 1: talked about one of the ways that that the structure
Speaker 1: that was in place worked for so long is because
Speaker 1: of people having respect for boundaries or what their job was,
Speaker 1: not intruding necessarily on other people's. But one of the
Speaker 1: potential fallouts of something like that is boundaries can almost
Speaker 1: get too rigid. They can they can become silos. And
Speaker 1: I think what Mark Murphy is trying to do here,
Speaker 1: if I'm reading his comments correctly, is I think he's
Speaker 1: trying to have a structure that that gets rid of
Speaker 1: the silos that were being created, but that still respects
Speaker 1: the boundaries that that every that everybody has their area
Speaker 1: of expertise, they have final say on certain areas of football,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to operate just completely independently of
Speaker 1: one another. And as you said, it's about the communication
Speaker 1: and collaboration so that everybody kind of at least knows
Speaker 1: what's going on all the time and isn't wondering what
Speaker 1: that guy down the hall is up to, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Football organizations evolve was another theme that sort of came
Speaker 1: out of this, and Murphy was really you know, preaching
Speaker 1: in his idea was when they made this shuffle is
Speaker 1: basically repainting the lanes a little bit. The past few years.
Speaker 1: With the role that Thompson has sort of taken on,
Speaker 1: it did require a little bit more hands on, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff from different people and his his personnel department. This
Speaker 1: really this process was meant to kind of redefine all
Speaker 1: of that and to give everybody an idea of what's
Speaker 1: expecting their specific position rather than when you are sort
Speaker 1: of moving out of your lane and in different people's territory.
Speaker 1: It basically just rewrites the job description in some ways.
Speaker 1: And as Murphy said, I mean he plans to meet
Speaker 1: weekly with Ball, McCarthy and good at cost so they
Speaker 1: can have that open dialogue. He's not looking to micromanaged,
Speaker 1: He's not looking to sit here and tell people what
Speaker 1: to do. He just wants to be more involved in
Speaker 1: the football process. It's something he's done over the last
Speaker 1: number of years and he thinks as as they're able
Speaker 1: to do that and open up those lines of communication
Speaker 1: is something that overall will help improve the football team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I took this. There are some alarm bells being
Speaker 1: sounded out there about this potentially being a mistake in
Speaker 1: terms of the structure, and that the Packers did this
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen eighties and it didn't work and
Speaker 1: it's what led to Ron Wolf being brought in and
Speaker 1: giving total control. I for one, I'm going to wait
Speaker 1: and see how this goes, because part of me thinks
Speaker 1: that the reason Mark Murphy made this decision and restructured
Speaker 1: it this way is because of the people he wanted
Speaker 1: in place in those certain positions. Somewhere down the line,
Speaker 1: maybe it's ten years, maybe it's fifteen or twenty years
Speaker 1: down the line, the next round Wolf might come along
Speaker 1: and demand the full autonomy over everything. And if you
Speaker 1: really want that guy, then maybe you have to give
Speaker 1: him the structure that he wants. So you talked about
Speaker 1: organizations evolved, Things can change. I'm not saying that you
Speaker 1: completely rewrite the structure every time you make a new
Speaker 1: higher and an important position, but it's it's also about
Speaker 1: fitting your structure to the people and setting them and
Speaker 1: letting them do what they do best, and that's what
Speaker 1: I think Mark Murphy's trying to do here, and he
Speaker 1: kept the door open to that. Just because they're doing
Speaker 1: something right now doesn't set a precedent forever. Packers could
Speaker 1: win three four more Super Bowls, Mike McCarthy could go
Speaker 1: right off into the sunset, they could have another coaching
Speaker 1: and underneath that coaching search, that position could go right
Speaker 1: back under Brian Goodkin's There's all those type of options.
Speaker 1: He's not really eliminating any process. He said from day
Speaker 1: one when he stepped up there announcing that Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: was no longer going to be the GM, that he
Speaker 1: was going to keep an open mind to this. He
Speaker 1: was going to look at scouts, he was going to
Speaker 1: look at finance, he was gonna look at all these
Speaker 1: different avenues of how you can run an organization. This
Speaker 1: is in a way, I think, in a lot of
Speaker 1: in a lot of different areas to try to make
Speaker 1: all these pieces fit and try to find something that
Speaker 1: can work for everybody. I know there's sometimes can be
Speaker 1: a negative connotation to that, but as he said, when
Speaker 1: you look at the amount of organizations that have kind
Speaker 1: of been creative with their structure, there's sometimes something to
Speaker 1: be said for that. And if you aren't staying with
Speaker 1: that pace, if you're not trying to find the new
Speaker 1: way to do things, you are falling back. And I
Speaker 1: think ultimately it comes down to try and to find
Speaker 1: a scenario, a fit, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: to make the Packers organization take that next step and
Speaker 1: make sure that that two thousand seventeen season was nothing
Speaker 1: more than an anomaly. Yeah, and well, the new GM
Speaker 1: certainly wants to take the next step with this roster.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about some of his philosophies after the
Speaker 1: breakback with more on Packers Unscripted. Right after this Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes hodkohit's over
Speaker 1: there and West. Getting back to the Packers new GM.
Speaker 1: Goodikins talked about his philosophies a little bit. Particularly was
Speaker 1: asked about free agency because of um sometimes the Packers
Speaker 1: lack of involvement in free agency under Ted Thompson, and
Speaker 1: some of the phrases he used were interesting. One of
Speaker 1: the things he called it is a necessary accessory. And
Speaker 1: I think maybe what we've heard more over the past
Speaker 1: decade is more of like it's a potential abode. He
Speaker 1: sees it as more of something that that needs to
Speaker 1: be explored at all times. Um. Now, not just saying
Speaker 1: always about the top guys, million dollars signings or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. But but it's about
Speaker 1: how he looks at the entire picture of free agency
Speaker 1: as it relates to the fifty three man roster. Yea.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually gonna pull the quote right now from
Speaker 1: the story I wrote on Monday, just to I don't
Speaker 1: usually do these type of things, but I just think
Speaker 1: it's such a It was the quote of the entire day.
Speaker 1: Him and Murphy talked for over an hour if you
Speaker 1: count the two sessions, but I thought this was the
Speaker 1: biggest quote. The thing I've already told our guys is
Speaker 1: that we're not going to be signing every player, which
Speaker 1: you can't. But we're gonna be involved. But it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be the foundation. But we're going to want to
Speaker 1: be in every conversation. We want to be in the
Speaker 1: know and not be afraid. And when the moment comes, um,
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared to pull the trigger. Paraphrasing
Speaker 1: a bit of that, but the basic thought process behind
Speaker 1: it is the packers want to be involved in these conversations.
Speaker 1: If there's a free agent, regardless of it's a high, mid,
Speaker 1: low tier, whatever it might be. If there's somebody they
Speaker 1: think could be a potential fit, they want to explore
Speaker 1: that avenue. They want to leave no stone unturned during
Speaker 1: this process. That's not to say that isn't what Ted
Speaker 1: Thompson did. I don't want people drawing that analogy. But
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that Good wants is
Speaker 1: he wants his scouts, he wants his personnel people with
Speaker 1: the communication they have within the building, if there's a
Speaker 1: guy they think could work in Green Bay, to pick
Speaker 1: up the phone, see what the prices, see what kind
Speaker 1: of bidding war they're gonna be in, and make sure
Speaker 1: that they are up on all those conversations. Because sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is just Green Bay, but I
Speaker 1: think sometimes some of these guys can fly under the
Speaker 1: radar and you potentially miss out on a guy that
Speaker 1: could be a good value. And I think sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: it isn't just always about who's getting the five year,
Speaker 1: sixty seven million dollar contract. Sometimes it's the one year,
Speaker 1: five million dollar deal that makes all the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think what I took in some ways from
Speaker 1: his comments was maybe there were times in the past
Speaker 1: where the packers made assumptions about the market the price
Speaker 1: tag on a certain guy, and they just stayed out
Speaker 1: of it because they're like, Oh, that's not really gonna
Speaker 1: fit where we are with the salary cap and what
Speaker 1: And then maybe the guy signs with somebody is like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe we should have been involved in that conversation. The
Speaker 1: price tag wasn't as high as we thought. So I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe, you know, as you said, always being
Speaker 1: involved in the conversations and and being prepared to pull
Speaker 1: the trigger if the opportunity is there. I also look
Speaker 1: at it as what I'm going to be interested in
Speaker 1: in terms of the differences in the roster building, is
Speaker 1: what's going to happen when the injuries strike, because they're
Speaker 1: going to inevitably strike. And I wrote this in our
Speaker 1: Insider Inbox column. Is the guy who's filling in the
Speaker 1: next man up, so to speak? Is it going to
Speaker 1: be some young, totally unproven guy or is there going
Speaker 1: to be more depth of veteran players and and those
Speaker 1: can be veteran players you bring in from other places
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, guys like Eric Walden and Howard
Speaker 1: Green experienced guys that were brought in when injuries hit,
Speaker 1: when that roster dealt with a lot of injuries, and
Speaker 1: those guys helped the Packers win a Super Bowl. Since then,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen as many of those type of acquisitions,
Speaker 1: and maybe the new GM gets back to that a
Speaker 1: little bit. And think even like Charlie Peppert, who I
Speaker 1: think they claimed him off waivers before that season, brought
Speaker 1: him back after he had left, and he ends up
Speaker 1: playing a key role after Morgan Burnett tears his a
Speaker 1: c L. That's a big part of the equation here
Speaker 1: and is is Goodkin said, It's about creating competition from
Speaker 1: the first day of training camp to the last day
Speaker 1: of the regular season or the or your playoff run.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to push. It can't just
Speaker 1: be Okay, well, this guy is just the last guy up,
Speaker 1: so he's the one in there. You have to make
Speaker 1: sure that everybody understands that if you don't perform, there's
Speaker 1: somebody else that could potentially do it. Um And to
Speaker 1: touch on one other thing, Mike, because a big question
Speaker 1: he was asked is about the state of the roster
Speaker 1: where things are right now, He doesn't see the Packers
Speaker 1: as being that far away from contending for another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: People talk about the defense. Things didn't go well for
Speaker 1: the Packers in two thousand seventeen. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and debate that, but Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels,
Speaker 1: there is a foundation, Blake Martinez, Haha, Clinton dis Packers
Speaker 1: have talent on defense. That's one thing good Coin said.
Speaker 1: He likes the talent that they have there. They have
Speaker 1: to make the pieces fit. They have to find a
Speaker 1: D fensive coordinator that's gonna be able to utilize it,
Speaker 1: and they need to find players through the draft. They
Speaker 1: could have eleven or twelve picks this year or through
Speaker 1: free agency that are gonna be able to fill in
Speaker 1: those holes when someone goes down. The cupboard isn't bare.
Speaker 1: That was the big takeaway. He was basically asked that question,
Speaker 1: and he said, the cupboard isn't bare. We still have
Speaker 1: what it takes with the best player in football and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to get to where we want to go
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. And I think it's also about
Speaker 1: stocking that cupboard with more like pieces. I guess I
Speaker 1: would say, And what I mean by that is going
Speaker 1: back to the comment about the competition. Hey, these players
Speaker 1: are at practice every day. They know who can do
Speaker 1: the job and who can't. If you're on the field
Speaker 1: and you know the guy right behind you on the
Speaker 1: depth chart is, for example, an undrafted rookie who's hardly played,
Speaker 1: maybe he's only played on special teams and hasn't even
Speaker 1: played on offense or defense. Yet you're not necessarily fearing
Speaker 1: for your job. You're not you. You don't necessarily feel
Speaker 1: like you're on notice. Brian Goodacun's yesterday on Monday, I
Speaker 1: thought he made it very clear that he wants every
Speaker 1: player to feel like he's on notice with everything he's
Speaker 1: putting on film and every game. And that's maybe a
Speaker 1: bit of an exaggeration because we're all human, But at
Speaker 1: the same time, that's the type of competitiveness he wants
Speaker 1: within the roster. Comfort creates complacency in every walk all life.
Speaker 1: He wants to make sure that people are being pushed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, with that, we'll go to break back with
Speaker 1: more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford alongside West Hog Kuits and West
Speaker 1: before we Go. Since I was gone Monday, we haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk about NFL Wild Card weekend.
Speaker 1: We only have a couple of minutes here. But the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs boy another crushing home playoff loss, blowing
Speaker 1: an eighteen point lead to the Tennessee Titans. You have
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons um maybe showing that their defense is
Speaker 1: even better than it was when they went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl a year ago. They completely clamped down on
Speaker 1: that Los Angeles Rams explosive offense rather lackluster. I guess
Speaker 1: I would say Jacksonville Jaguars playoff victory, but a playoff
Speaker 1: victory for a team that had not had one in
Speaker 1: a very long time. And then the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: I think they said here we are, here we come. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing that was really interesting about this, and I
Speaker 1: watched all four of these games, it was seeing the
Speaker 1: difference between teams that have been there in teams who
Speaker 1: haven't been to the playoffs. That the Rams look like
Speaker 1: a team that had like two players on their team
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Three players who had actually played
Speaker 1: in a playoff game look completely shell shock they'll be
Speaker 1: better for that in the long run. It's a young
Speaker 1: football team. Atlanta, I think is showing that old adage
Speaker 1: that sometimes if you're the number five or six seed
Speaker 1: in the NFC is in specific you could potentially get
Speaker 1: on a run if the pieces fall into place. I
Speaker 1: agree with Their defense is faster, it is athletic, and
Speaker 1: having true font back makes a big difference on the boundary.
Speaker 1: He is a legitimate shutdown cornerback and a good fit
Speaker 1: for them. Tennessee Titans, on the other hand, another team
Speaker 1: that in some ways is veteran, in some ways is
Speaker 1: very young. They find a way to crawl back in
Speaker 1: that game against the Chiefs and pick up a big,
Speaker 1: big victory, and then the New Orleans Saints obviously shutting
Speaker 1: the door on Julius Pepper's hopes for another for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring with their performance across the board, some
Speaker 1: entertaining football, a lot of teams winning in a variety
Speaker 1: of different ways, and we'll see where they take it
Speaker 1: from here. Yeah, a lot of uh, a lot of
Speaker 1: excitement at the end of that Saints Panthers game. I
Speaker 1: want to throw the set you right away. Intentional grounding
Speaker 1: on Newton or not what do you think of that call? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought so. I thought so too, because they were
Speaker 1: lined up on the right hash. Yeah, I thought so too.
Speaker 1: And I say that because we've I think we've seen
Speaker 1: in the past where that call of is the guy
Speaker 1: outside the pocket, they're almost too lenient in the sense
Speaker 1: of letting the quarterback throw it away. In this instance,
Speaker 1: they didn't let him throw it away, and it was
Speaker 1: a call that change change the end of the game. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I mean they've lined that the play was at
Speaker 1: the right hash you have the two linemen over there.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the right call in my opinion.
Speaker 1: A lot of things we could debate though about that
Speaker 1: weekend of games. All right, Well, with that, we've got
Speaker 1: to call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
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