WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Rick Stroud (05-20-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.000 Sports Radio. It's our two on this Wednesday, Dan and 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.639 The Dan dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you on board. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.000 I think we settled on a pull question last hour. Mclovin, 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.319 Is that right? Yes, which older quarterback will throw the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.920 most TVs this year? We put up Breeze, Ben, Brady, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.720 and Rivers. Okay, yeah, that's a great question. I mean, 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:26.920 what if they all end up exactly the samement, like 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.520 thirty four touchdowns? Yeah, I don't even know if you'll 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.960 get that many out of Breeze Ben. You could. I 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.920 don't know what Ben normally averages. I mean, they're a 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.280 passing team. Carolina is going to run the ball a 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.800 lot with Christian McCaffrey. And even if they do throw it, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.120 Usio's dump off passes to McCaffrey out of the backfield. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.800 But oh, you're talking about the oldest quarterback. You're not 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.960 talking about the NFC South. Okay, So Teddy Bridgewater's not 0:00:55.040 --> 0:01:00.040 in there, but Brady, I don't even know what his 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.800 numbers are, Like, I never look at Brady's stats. I've 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.320 never looked at them. You know, the year that they 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.839 had Randy Moss that of course was trumpeted. They didn't 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.440 win the Super Bowl that year, but that was an 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.759 incredible year for him. I just never looked at Brady's 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:20.000 numbers and went wow or oh boy, that's disappointing. I 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.280 usually look at touchdown to interception ratio because that's why 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.560 Jamis Winston's no longer there. If Jamis Winston throws for 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.520 thirty touchdowns and throws five interceptions and they go to 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.160 the playoffs, are they all in on Jamis Winston? But 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.280 when you throw thirty interceptions and I don't know how 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.000 many fumbles he had as well, you know he's turning 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.320 the ball over probably more than thirty times, thirty times 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.600 more than Tom Brady did. You can't have that at 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.920 that position. You can't have that disparity. Yeah, McLevin. I'm 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.480 seeing a wave of excitement about Big Band now that 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.560 he cut his hair. He looks like five years younger. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.520 So everybody thought, it's like, whoa, he's gonna have a 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.080 big season. Okay on Twitter, but this is what I 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.560 don't understand. He's basically in the same shape as he was, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.080 even though he just cut off his beard and his hair. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.080 Because when you saw him when he was throwing a 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.400 couple of weeks ago. I went, Wow, Ben, he's gonna 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.680 go two ways. He's gonna be quarterback and nose tackle 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.280 here for the Steelers. Wow all right? Age seven seven 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.799 three DP show email address DP at dan Patrick dot com, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.200 Twitter handed a DP spent a little time in the 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.240 first hour talking about Michael Jordan, the feuds that he 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.720 has with teammates, friends, and Horace Grant came out. Horace 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.000 Grant won three titles with the Bulls and then he 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.120 went to Orlando, and Michael thought that Horace Grant was 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.960 the snitch for Sam Smith's great book The Jordan Rules, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.280 and whether it's true or not, Michael even bringing it 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:54.600 up in the documentary. Understand this, Michael Jordan's not easy 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.800 to like as a person. He's easy to love as 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:04.440 a basketball player. As a teammate, Okay, you're gonna win, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.320 You're gonna pay a little bit of a price there. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:12.320 But he is a brilliant basketball player, marketing, brand global, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.720 all of those things. Keep in mind. Charles Barkley speaks 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.520 out about Michael or Michael as an owner. They haven't 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.720 spoken since they were friends for over twenty years. Maybe 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.760 twenty five years. Haven't spoken since then. Scottie Pippen did 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.120 come out a couple of times and say he thinks 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.400 Lebron I'm paraphrasing, will be better than Michael. When it's 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:40.880 all said and done, there's Michael Fielding the slight there 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:46.080 and probably not in Scottie Pippen's corner. Horace Grant, well, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.120 you're the snitch. You're gonna be the snitch. You're always 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.760 gonna be the snitch, and I don't care what anybody says. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.040 You're the snitch. Michael Jordan when he went into the 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.560 Hall of Fame, didn't he call out his high school 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.760 coach who cut him. He roasted everybody. This never ends, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.080 it doesn't stop. This is who Michael Jordan is, the person. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.000 But that's what helped him be Michael Jordan the basketball player. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.640 Here is Horace Grant. He was on ESPN one thousand 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.480 in Chicago, Cap and Company podcast talking about just how 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:20.080 much of the Last Dance was not true. Not a 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.960 defend of it. I don't know if I could see 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.560 it on he but bs in terms of the realness 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.840 of it, as I stated the other day, that it 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.839 wasn't real because a lot of things that he said 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.520 to some of his teammates. His teammates went back at it, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.600 but all of that was kind of edited out of 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.960 the documentary, if you want to call it a documentary. Now. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.960 Horace Grant has also said that Michael Jordan is a 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.359 snitch because in the documentary, Jordan talks about his rookie 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:54.400 year going to one of his teammates hotel room and 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.000 he walks in and he sees women, weed and cocaine, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.159 and he doesn't He said, basically, the whole team was 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:08.400 in there. Now I looked at the roster. Maybe you 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.080 looked at the roster and ran down the names that 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.039 would be a snitch because it has no context to 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.840 be put into the Last Dance the documentary, even if 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.240 he's asked about it, Hey, what was it like? Now, Hey, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.080 I loved it. It was salacious, it was interesting. Got 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.000 a big chuckle out of Michael. But you talk about 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.720 turning on your teammates that they were in their partying. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.680 It has nothing to do with the last year, has 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.040 nothing to do with the dynasty. Nothing unless you say, well, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.719 Michael realized that he had to clean out the locker 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.760 room there. Okay, we all know that because they weren't 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.120 any good. But I understand what Horace Grant is saying, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.560 and I don't know if Horace Grant was the snitch. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.839 Horace Grant admits that he was friends with Sam Smith, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.600 still friends with Sam Smith. Sam's not going to tell 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.280 you who the snitch is or source. And I've been 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.080 told that there are a couple of sources on the bowls. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.040 So if it's Horace or somebody else there too, from 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.279 what I was told, I didn't get a name, but 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.320 I certainly got an indication of who that person might be. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:25.000 Whether that's true or not, but that once again, just 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.080 look at the flu game. Now that now in the 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.840 food poisoning game, and how that took off. And now 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.560 we got the pizza hut guy who says it wasn't five, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.839 there were two of us. Okay, wait a minute. You 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.200 got eyewitnesses saying there were five that showed up there 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.120 to deliver the pizza. Like, what is it trying to 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.200 separate fact from fiction? Here? Is it seems like it's 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.279 fruitless here? Why did you go play baseball? What's the 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.159 story behind that his father was murdered? What's the story? 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.359 We don't take anything at face value. It doesn't feel like. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.359 But then you have these little windows here where you 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.080 look in and go, is Michael telling the truth about 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.800 this like you could have. You didn't have to bring 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.760 up the food poisoning. We were good with the flu. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.120 We didn't need it, and now we have food poisoning 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.960 and now you have Hey, everybody get their story straight. Okay, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.960 what is it? Okay, Michael didn't get to eat. He 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.520 was mad, and uh we ordered a pizza. Five guys 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.960 show up and they peek in. They just want to wave, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.320 and then that's it, and Michael spits on the pizza. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.640 So nobody else gets sick. Okay, that's our story. Okay, good, good, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:40.440 all right. So I don't know who's disproving that, but 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.720 it's just part of this and the fact that you know, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.160 Horace has a problem with Michael. Remember Horace says it's true. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.280 Michael said to the flight attendant, do not feed Horace 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.800 Grant after a bad game, and Horace Grant said, that's true. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.320 But he said, make no mistake about this. I would 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.680 have kicked Michael's ass back then, but you weren't allowed 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:11.119 to back then. Horace. Horace has to be careful because 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.800 he still works for the bulls, I believe. And you know, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.559 the Commissioner can't like this when you hear Horace saying, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.200 you know, like he's threatening Jordan or feels like, hey, 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.760 you want to settle this, we can settle this. This 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.240 isn't what the Commissioner wants out of this, certainly not 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.920 these times. But Horace Grant has his side of this, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.600 and so does Jordan, and Jordan usually wins all of 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:39.640 these arguments here. But this isn't going away because it 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.280 just feels like this is open season to talk about 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.400 all of this, and when we do, it's hard to 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.160 separate fact from fiction because I don't know, and I 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.079 feel like I have really good sources on this with 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.719 a lot of this stuff, and you can't get a 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:59.600 straight answer. And as I told you guys yesterday, I 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.960 was old that Jordan was staying in Park City, which 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.920 people think, oh my god, he wouldn't be staying all 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.120 the way out there. It takes you thirty five minutes 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.800 to get to Park City. He was staying there. That's 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.760 what I was told by three sources. That's where he 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.600 was staying that night. I don't know what he was drinking. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.320 I don't know what he was eating. I don't know 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.920 what he was smoking, his cigar, whatever it is, I 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.160 don't know. But it just feels like there's all of 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.920 these different stories that surround Jordan. But that's always been 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.080 the case, but people never talked about this. That's what 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.440 should be emphasized. People were afraid to talk about this. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.120 Now it feels like with the documentary, Hey, everybody's got 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.640 a story, I'll tell you mine. Yeah. Set, According to 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.040 my sources, I was just told that in the mid 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.000 to late nineties, Horace Grant actually owned a chain of 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.079 pizza stores and pizza shops in the Greater Salt Lake area. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.440 I don't know if or not, but that's what my 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.720 source has just told me. Full circle. Okay, we're gonna 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.680 go with that. Celebrity journalist flow At, who claims to 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.000 have spoken to a source with knowledge from someone close 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.560 to Woods, says Tiger is struggling. My source may have 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.160 been someone in chat Row. But that's ok. That's great. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.440 You don't have to tell me who your snitches. I 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.480 don't know. You don't have to tell me, he asked 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.440 me club. I heard that the guys who delivered were 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.000 both six and nine, and both looked like brothers. And 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.120 their names are Harvest and Horror. Harvey and Horrace. I 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.959 don't know if that's coincidence. Full uniform too far, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.760 and you could have worked on the delivery too. Nobody 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.560 talks about Harvey Grant byway. I just want to bring 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.120 that up. Why wouldn't we talk about Harvey Grant? He 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.320 played better. Remember, off the top of your head, they 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.200 were about the same. I mean, Horace was a good 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.080 player and he'd give you twelve and eight. You're a 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.680 good defensive player. Harvey might have been a better score. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.840 But Harvey played for the Bullets. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Harvey 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.920 Grant had a run where he averaged about eighteen for 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.079 three years straight with the Bullets. Nobody's breaking down Harvey Grant. No, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.520 nobody is today. Nobody. I mentioned Jamis Winch with all 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.920 of his turnovers. He had thirty interceptions, five lost fumbles, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.880 and Brady had eight interceptions one lost fumble. So you've 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.720 got pretty sizable difference there on the number of turnovers. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.320 Nobody had more than twenty three turnovers total turnovers last 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.640 year other than Jamis Winston at thirty five. So that's 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.880 why Tom Brady is there. If Jameis Winston throws for 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:27.840 thirty and has eight interceptions, he's probably still back in Tampa. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.360 Photos leak yesterday Brady leading a workout with his new 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.320 Buccaneer teammates at a high school in Tampa. And I 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.640 don't know if the NFL has any problems with this, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.840 as long as they're following the safety guidelines. Florida's open 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.920 for business. But it feels like there's a problem with 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.760 Patriot fans. Believe it or not, Patriot fans seeing Brady 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.400 in an Orange jersey made it real because you go, Okay, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.839 Tom's not here, and then you see Tom in a 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.120 Buccaneers uniform and you're like, what, how did this happen? 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.200 And there he is throwing to Oj Howard and Mike 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:04.760 Evans and Brad So this is real. The NFL season 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.240 is a long way away, but based on the leaked photos, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.800 Brady is serious about getting to work and turning this 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.680 around because it's been a long time since my Buccaneers 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.440 have been in the playoffs. Now Here is something that 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:22.120 I found interesting. There is a narrative forming in New 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.120 England that Brady checked out on the Patriots the last 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.640 couple of years seeing him work out with the Buccaneers 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.840 may have fired up New England fans. Here's something from 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:38.400 weei dot COM's Ryan Hannibal. He writes, although some examples 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.280 were not as big as others, tom Brady changed in 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.000 his final few years as a member of the Patriots. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.080 The biggest example was the lack of commitment to his 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.800 teammates during the offseason. As for his final two seasons, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.480 he did not attend OTAs during the spring and only 0:12:54.520 --> 0:13:06.000 attended the three days of mandatory mini camp. Here it is, Oh, oh, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.280 come on, Seeton, what do you want to say about 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.119 your Patriot fans there? My Patriots fans are the reporters. 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.600 Oh well, the same dumb it story I've ever heard 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.920 in my entire life. He checked out the last couple 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.640 of years. They were in the Super Bowl four of 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.840 his last five years. You know, the year that he 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.800 checked out after the Steelers game they won the Super 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.800 bowled out on the team. Imagine if he really cared, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.400 the Super Bowl wouldn't have been that close. Yeah yeah. Mclovin. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:41.600 Michael Jordan always attended saying he Jordan went to the 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:48.040 Patriots OTAs. That's how dedicated he was. Now he But 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.040 you know, the whole thing with Brady is he did 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.280 say that he needed to when he did this interview 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.600 with Howard Stern. What was one of the headlines, Hey, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.000 I needed to spend time on my marriage, my wife. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.840 They've said to me, Hey, what about us? The season's over, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.120 what about us? And Brady was honest about that to 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.600 say I needed to stay at home to be a 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.600 father and a husband. If that's checking out on your team, man, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.240 those are pretty pretty high bardage set there. Yeah. See 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.200 the funny thing about stories like this is that in 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.000 like five years or however long you're you talking about, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.080 like Brady as a Hall of Famer. Well, I don't know. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.000 I'm mary checked out those last couple of years, you know, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.360 like that stuff sticks in people's heads and the like. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.880 I don't know it. Was he a good patriot? I 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.560 don't know he checked out those last couple of years. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.920 Don't forget about that. May May my quarterback, had the 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.760 dedication to Tom Brady. Let's put it that way. I 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.880 don't know many who would have more dedication because it 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.840 feels like that's all Brady thinks of is football, working 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.120 out in his backyard with his helmet on, you know, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.080 getting Gronk to come out of retirement. But oh and 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.800 try to get Grunk to come out of retirement as 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:08.120 Patrick like, man, they're gone. They've moved on from Tom Brady. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.720 Jared said, n't better be pretty good? He better be 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.120 pretty good. Here. I had a couple of phone calls 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.080 in here, Craig and Pennsylvania's back. Hi, Craig, when you 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.880 have for me a good budd what do you have 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.440 for me good? I'm just wondering. You're talking about Jordan 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.640 a lot. And you know, obviously him as a player 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.360 was amazing. I grew up watching him and it's awesome 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.320 seeing the blast dance and stuff like that. But how 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.640 come he can't bring the competitiveness that he was as 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.320 a player to the fun office with Charlotte. I brought 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.800 that up. I brought that up on Monday. But he 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.800 can't control it. You know, he can make draft picks. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.960 But my thought was he hasn't been able to sign 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.720 free agents. That to me is the surprising part of 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.080 all of this. They made a run at Gordon Hayward, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.080 they lost out. You know, he stayed in Utah back then. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.000 Other than that, they don't sign free agents. You would 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.040 think Jordan as your owner, you'd want to play with Jordan, right, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.720 That is not the case. And maybe you say, well, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:18.400 Charlotte's not a big market, Okay, I get it. Still 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.320 pretty good sized town. You know, you got major sports 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.720 there aside from the basketball team, but you don't have 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.680 free agents who want to go play. And you know, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.520 Michael has not done well in drafting if you look 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.880 at some of his and you could look at what 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.720 they've done when he was with Washington. You know, if 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:43.160 you're drafting Kwame Brown, that's a bust dog. Adam Morrison, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:52.720 that's a bust dog. Who's our guy from Wisconsinminski bust 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.040 He's give me seven to five. He's not even on 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.120 there anymore. Whatever, Yeah, mo Leak Monk, I don't know. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.920 Mclovin keeps waiting for Malik Monk to be good. Michael 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.199 kid Gilchrist, he had he had a he had a 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.600 cameo there of playing well. Probably best draft pick onto 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.000 the Jordan era and Charlotte is Kemba Walker, great pick 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.760 and that he's not there anymore. But yeah, look, Michael 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.280 as a player, you know you can't there's nothing you 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.399 say negative about Michael as a player, he did what 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.080 you wanted him to do. And Michael the person is 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.240 really what's on trial here with a lot of these 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.880 members of the media or former teammates. That's what's that's 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.480 what's on trial right now. And him as an owner, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.400 that's just that's for Charles Barkley and him to figure 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.399 it out one day maybe if they ever do. But 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.359 if Mike has a grudge, he holds the grudge, he 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.160 squeezes the grudge, he puts a tourniquet on the grudge. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.280 It's not going away your Hall of Fame speech, and 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.080 you're calling out Hall of famers in the audience Hall 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.199 of Fame speech. You mentioned the coach who you know 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.840 cut you in high school. He didn't let go of anything. 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.439 And then the fact that he invents things. You know, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.000 maybe he invented. Horace Grant is the snitch for the 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.560 Jordan rules when Horace went to Orlando. You can't put 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.880 it past him. Poor le Bradford Smith didn't do anything 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.120 and he created something out of nothing. So you can't 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.679 say it, well, Mike wouldn't do that, because he would 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.560 because he did Aaron in Tennessee. Then we'll take a 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.400 break there, Aaron, good morning. What do you have for me? Hey? Dan, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.199 I was just listening to you talk about Kareem and 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.640 I was really excited because I make that argument all 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.639 the time to my oldest son and his friends that 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.200 you know, it really shouldn't be a Lebron Jordan conversation, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.479 if anything, it should be a Kareem Jordan conversation, because 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.520 you know, as you mentioned, you know, Kareem has had 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.640 an illustrious career. As far as the caller saying that 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.720 he didn't face anybody. If you were to have a 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.080 list of who were the top ten centers of all time, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.960 Kareem faced almost all of them, whether they were in 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.320 their prime or he was in his crime throughout his career, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.199 with the exception of say Shack and I don't know 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.879 George Miken or somebody from before. Then, you know, he 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.280 faced all those guys. And he's got as many MVPs 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.120 as Jordan, he's got as many rings, he's he's obviously 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.520 the all time scorer, and he's in the top two 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.080 or three in rebounds and blocks all time. So you know, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.000 his accolades are as good, if not better than the 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.919 two that are always in the conversation. Thank you, Aaron, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.199 but it doesn't fit in with what we want with 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.840 our superstar. Now, you gotta you gotta be something. You 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.919 gotta be a celebrity. You know Cream's wasn't you know? 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.280 Cream was reticent, didn't like talking to the media, didn't 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.600 trust the media, maybe shy. In fact, when we had 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.040 him in studio a couple of years ago, like he 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.800 came in and you could tell that he he just 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.200 was distant, and then he sat down, we started talking 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.800 baseball and Jackie Robinson and then he warmed up there. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:03.359 And I just don't forget about the players from yesteryear. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.560 That's all this is about. Yeah, it's the same thing. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.159 You know Lebron, Oh, nobody's better than Lebron. And then 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.840 you see Michael and you go, oh, okay. It took 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.040 me a while to say Lebron was better than Larry Bird, 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.840 but only because Larry at thirty one was just as 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.159 good as Lebron, if not better. At the same age. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.840 Lebron has blown away and separated from Larry Bird because 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.920 of how well he's taking care of himself and he's 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.200 still dominating force. And here he is leading the league 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.840 in assist so it's just trying to look at who's great, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.040 how great they are, and you do comparisons, and that's 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.199 always dangerous there. But I just like to mention some 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.520 of these players that they were great in their era. 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.600 Maybe they don't match up numbers wise, or size wise 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.440 or speed wise, but they were great in their own right. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.960 Twenty two after the hour, we check in on the 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.679 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Right after this. Thanks for listening to 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.160 The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.640 live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.600 to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.080 station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.600 dot com, or streamist live every day on the iHeartRadio 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.840 app by searching f R. I was wondering how that 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.960 story got out that Brady was going to hold this 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.520 workout at a local high school, and I said to Paulie, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.000 Horace Grant's probably going to get blamed for this. All 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.240 else fails you. From now on, anything goes wrong, we 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.280 just blame Horace Grant. I think that's the way to 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.520 go about it. More phone calls coming up, update the 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.959 poll results. He's Rick Stroud, the Buccaneers reporter for the 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.600 Tampa Bay Times columnists who joins us on the program. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:43.040 Was that an official workout yesterday? Rick by the Buccaneers. Now, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.040 I wouldn't official, Dan, you know the backstory that is 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.879 that it was an operation Shoist Joe Jackson, as you know, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.360 is what we called it. And I met by reporter photographer. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.560 We put on the black jumpsuits and ski masks, you know, 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.159 and then out of the Paul Meadows King Tom Brady. No, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.720 it was just a good old fashioned stakeout. I mean 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.840 it had been out there for a couple of weeks 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.960 that they were working out at the local high school. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.320 It was just hard to get advantage pointing, so we 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.240 knew when it was happening, and good for us we 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.359 got the pictures. Is it legal? I mean you're open. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.359 Florida's open for business, so this isn't an issue. Is 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.439 this an issue with the NFL? It doesn't seem to be, 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.679 at least yesterday. I mean, here's the key, right. The 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.000 state opened a little while ago, but if you listen 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.199 to I've known about it since before Mother's Day. And 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.720 cam Bright, who was interviewed by Alex Klorin on his 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.520 dock one day lightning Forward said that he had been 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.879 working out with Brady for a couple of weeks, I 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.359 mean virtually, So who's just you know how long this 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.160 has gone on. But I can document one day and 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.080 as far as that goes, the state was open, so 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:49.440 they're good with it. What's the reaction to Brady working out? Well, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.439 I mean, I think people are surprised, but you know, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.679