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Speaker 1: All right, here we are Players Lounge. It's a little delayed,
Speaker 1: but but it's okay. We had our we had a
Speaker 1: mojo moment, but we're all good. We got a mojo
Speaker 1: moment here. We lost that mojo moment. That was definitely
Speaker 1: our Mojoe moment for a week right there. All right,
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Speaker 1: longtime Cowboys reporter, joined by two four Dallas Cowboys safeties,
Speaker 1: Barry Church and Danny mc cray. And yes, we've got
Speaker 1: to hit up hard knocks as HBO's outstanding series made
Speaker 1: its debut of the Cowboys Episode one last night on HBO.
Speaker 1: The Mojo moment was the thing that I was glad
Speaker 1: they got inside to understand show us what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was talking about with the Austin powers and everything that
Speaker 1: went into it, because while I was at camp in Oxnard,
Speaker 1: you heard it, you didn't kind of know what it was.
Speaker 1: He explained it a little bit, but it was better
Speaker 1: to see exactly how it all unfolded. So, gentlemen, right
Speaker 1: out of the gate, I'm gonna start with you, Danny McCrae,
Speaker 1: what was your thought to the way Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: portrayed in Hard Knocks? Okay? I thought she's about to
Speaker 1: ask about the Mojo moment because not sure if it
Speaker 1: hit the way that he thought it was as I
Speaker 1: watched it. But you know, listen, whatever whatever you need
Speaker 1: to do to get your team hype and helped them
Speaker 1: understand the situation that you're trying to put them in
Speaker 1: to make them better, well, you know, whatever you gotta do,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. I mean, this is what I
Speaker 1: said was going to happen to coach McCarthy once he
Speaker 1: got on this TV show. It was going to show
Speaker 1: that he is not really doing much if really, the
Speaker 1: only thing you could say that he did on that
Speaker 1: show was come up with the Mojo moment. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it showed that him and Dak might not be as
Speaker 1: cool as they should be right now. They showed the
Speaker 1: Special Teams Coach More having more of a personality with
Speaker 1: his players. They showed Jerry and then the rest of
Speaker 1: it was the dak in a Zeke show. So it
Speaker 1: just you know, hopefully in the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: we see a little bit more of Big Mike. But uh,
Speaker 1: that one, you know, it really didn't didn't show much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, it kind of came off. The mojo moment
Speaker 1: came off as it's just kind of gimmicky, just a
Speaker 1: little gimmicky. Um. I mean we saw, you know, last
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks when when Gruton was up there talking about
Speaker 1: you know, knock if you hear him, or knock on
Speaker 1: wood or something like that. Tallest players. So to me
Speaker 1: that that mojo moment, it was it was kind of gimmicky,
Speaker 1: but real quickly, let me ask you when they when
Speaker 1: they go to this mojo moment, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this little situational thing. Is it like a stretch of
Speaker 1: three plays, is it like a full series or they're
Speaker 1: doing like a two minute drill or or a red
Speaker 1: zone you know, red zone drill or something like that.
Speaker 1: Like how does each mojo moment you know, break down
Speaker 1: on the field or is it just a one off?
Speaker 1: Like all right, it's it's awesome, powers time, it's mojo,
Speaker 1: It's mojo. Get your mojo whatever. Ready, let's go on
Speaker 1: this field for this one play, Like, like, how does
Speaker 1: that break down as far as that mojo moment that
Speaker 1: that sequence of events. Yeah, he'll tell you exactly the
Speaker 1: situation and how much time it is and where the
Speaker 1: ball is going to be. So you have to go
Speaker 1: through that um One of them that I that they
Speaker 1: showed last night was where the offense had to get
Speaker 1: you have eighteen seconds left or whatnot, but you had
Speaker 1: to get the ball in the end zone and Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert couldn't get it done. Another mojo moment, de Nucci
Speaker 1: ended up throwing one in the end zone and and
Speaker 1: CD Lamb caught it in the offense one. So so
Speaker 1: they were they've been trying to have competitive situations throughout
Speaker 1: camp where the offensive defense are going back at it
Speaker 1: and the defense is fair. Fair to me, the defense
Speaker 1: when I was out there, got the better of the
Speaker 1: offensive overall. But there were a couple of these times
Speaker 1: in these mojo moments, in these final um seconds that
Speaker 1: the offense ended up looking good. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of what you saw last night that you know, Gilbert
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. But it's tough and you guys
Speaker 1: know from a defensive standpoint, it's tough when you know,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say I'm Michael Parsons gets there, or
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman gets there, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the quarterback can spin out and still throw a ball
Speaker 1: in the end zone and make a you know, make
Speaker 1: a play. But yeah, he's trying to do something different.
Speaker 1: I used to hate when when they used to do
Speaker 1: that with Romo, that we'd be a two minute drill.
Speaker 1: You know, deep ware get off the edge easily, easily
Speaker 1: could have sacked the quarterback, but they didn't blow a whistle.
Speaker 1: And then Romo gets a little pass off and you know,
Speaker 1: the offense celebrate. It's just to get their confidence up.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, that place should have been dead.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's the reason I hate two minute
Speaker 1: drill is when you're doing camp and it gets the
Speaker 1: offense because it's always catered into we got to stop,
Speaker 1: it's over. It should be over, coaches, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we still got time. We got time for another sequence,
Speaker 1: we got time for It's always cater to let the
Speaker 1: offense win. But overall, when when it came to that
Speaker 1: hard knocks, NUIs Danny to y'all, who who in that
Speaker 1: first episode besides McCarthy, who stuck out the most as
Speaker 1: a player when you were looking at I know it
Speaker 1: was the Dock and the Zeke Show, But has anybody
Speaker 1: anybody else kind of stuck out to you when you
Speaker 1: were watching that Hard Knocks, I say, you know, most
Speaker 1: of the other part of the show focused on Michael Parsons. Hum.
Speaker 1: He's a high energy guy. You can tell he really
Speaker 1: loves the game of football. He's kind of all over
Speaker 1: the place, kind of like most rookies are right now.
Speaker 1: So I can kind of understand the conversation that we
Speaker 1: had a few shows ago where they were saying, we
Speaker 1: just we're gonna tone it down a little bit. We're
Speaker 1: gonna like get you into one position and let you
Speaker 1: focus on playing football and playing fast so you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about should I should I hammer or
Speaker 1: should I spill? Should I force them inside? Should I
Speaker 1: force him outside? Just get out there and just play
Speaker 1: fast like you did. That made you, you know, the
Speaker 1: first round pick, which is interesting. I will say this
Speaker 1: so long because this mojole moment, I can't let it die. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think many coaches you know, whatever, they may
Speaker 1: do it a different way, but nobody's reinventing the will,
Speaker 1: right the mojo moment Church, But we know is got
Speaker 1: to have a situation, all right. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: we used to do when JG was here, And but
Speaker 1: I think his was more sporadic because you would have
Speaker 1: a guy to have a situation, you know, four or
Speaker 1: five times a practice. Hey man, look it's time for
Speaker 1: d Ware to go up against Tyrn Smith. And you
Speaker 1: would see that like day in the day out, just randomly, like,
Speaker 1: oh no, if we're gonna stop everything, we want to
Speaker 1: see one on one, got to have it who his
Speaker 1: dad's gonna go against as a cornerback, Just to kind
Speaker 1: of build up that this is a competition. Everything is
Speaker 1: a competition, and we're here to compete. So it's not
Speaker 1: reinventing the will. So you know the fact that he
Speaker 1: came up with something to make it seem a little different,
Speaker 1: you know, more power to him. It's just us as players,
Speaker 1: just how we're looking at it, you know. But if
Speaker 1: it works for him and his team, then that's that's great. Okay, Danny,
Speaker 1: Let's just get straight to it. Thumbs upper, thumb down
Speaker 1: on the mojo moment, the name thumbs down. I gotta
Speaker 1: go thumbs down on the name, but I'm not in
Speaker 1: that locker room. They had a whole conversation about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I do love Austin Powers. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it fits. The mojo moment to me is like
Speaker 1: if you got mojo, that means you got some swag.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really translate into a swag moment. It's true,
Speaker 1: got to have it, Like what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: This is a situational moment, But you know, if it sticks,
Speaker 1: it sticks. Well, well, let me ask both of y'all
Speaker 1: this question real quick from from what y'all saw from McCarthy.
Speaker 1: You know, through the first episode of that Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: do y'all think this guy can be a good motivator
Speaker 1: of men? I mean, I know, you know, Garrett kind
Speaker 1: of got that. That label is he can't motivate his
Speaker 1: guys to go out there and win. And he has
Speaker 1: a stack team, but you know, nobody wants to play
Speaker 1: for him. Do you see McCarthy being that great motivator,
Speaker 1: that guy that can get the most out of each
Speaker 1: and every player? Nui, Danny, anybody you know knew he
Speaker 1: not gonna answer that question. I'll start, I will, I
Speaker 1: will start right here. I am not sold on Mike McCarthy. Okay,
Speaker 1: last year, I gotta see it. I'm just not sold. Now.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is able to carry in something that most
Speaker 1: coach in the National Football League cannot carry into a
Speaker 1: locker room, is a Super Bowl ring on his finger.
Speaker 1: But my question with Mike McCarthy has been seriously this.
Speaker 1: Green Bay identified him as the problem with their organization.
Speaker 1: They fired him. They've gone twenty six and six without him,
Speaker 1: and played an NFSC championship game twice, and Aaron Robers
Speaker 1: won another MVP. So how much of it was Mike
Speaker 1: and how much of it is you got number twelve now?
Speaker 1: I thought he brought up a really good point on
Speaker 1: hard Knocks. He says it takes seventy seven guys to
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, at least it did for him
Speaker 1: with a Green Bay. And I remember even during that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl game, they were losing dudes. I think they
Speaker 1: lost Woodson during that game of Donald Driver. So Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: he had found a way to utilize several people. He
Speaker 1: had Ryan Grant, who was running really good that year.
Speaker 1: I remember him in some fantasy leagues, but he was
Speaker 1: doing a really good job. They lost him. They went
Speaker 1: through a bunch of running backs. So Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 1: been able to build a championship team. But it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where, hey, look, somebody can have a
Speaker 1: good record, but can you can you continue to make
Speaker 1: good records? You know, you have to hit home, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's a whole lot of thing to be a
Speaker 1: hit hit artist, you know. You know, can you be
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder who's been good year after year after year,
Speaker 1: decade after decade. Are you like Belichick who's been good
Speaker 1: year after year, Tom Landry same thing? Or it's Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: a guy who just had one great run in him,
Speaker 1: such as Rick Carlisle had with the Dallas Mavericks. That's
Speaker 1: been my question with Mike McCarthy right now. I can't
Speaker 1: sit up here and tell you that I'm sold on
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy to be in the guy. In fact, I
Speaker 1: asked Jerry Jones that very question when I interviewed him Sunday,
Speaker 1: the first Sunday at training camp. Do you have the
Speaker 1: right guy? Because I said the same thing, hackers when
Speaker 1: twenty six and six without this dude, So what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to say? And Jerry says he's sold sold,
Speaker 1: and he said he's not gonna count last year. That's
Speaker 1: Jerry's whole thing. He's not counting last year. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans are accounting last year. Six and ten? Okay,
Speaker 1: hany one that six and ten bull Jade. And you
Speaker 1: got to see, you know, because if you look at
Speaker 1: it his career with the Packers, I mean, he had
Speaker 1: two Hall of Fame quarterbacks throughout his whole tenure with
Speaker 1: the with the Packers, I mean he had Brett Favre
Speaker 1: and then he had Aaron Rodgers and he was able
Speaker 1: to amass one Super Bowl out of that. But you
Speaker 1: got a thing. I mean, they say, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: this great play caller, his offensive mind, he's a genius
Speaker 1: out there, and we've yet to see that as well
Speaker 1: because he has Kellen Moore, you know, calling all the
Speaker 1: shots out there. So I want to see this season
Speaker 1: and we've got to see it this season. Is what
Speaker 1: type of coaches McCarthy is He Is he a coach
Speaker 1: that can can motivate his teammate or can motivate his players,
Speaker 1: even though the lesser players to play, you know, beyond there,
Speaker 1: beyond their skill set. Can he be that type of
Speaker 1: coach or is he the type of coach that you know, hey,
Speaker 1: he's along for the ride. I mean he has a
Speaker 1: loaded team right now with the Dallas Cowboys and he
Speaker 1: has to simply manage them in the right direction. Do
Speaker 1: you think he can be that that motivator, that manager
Speaker 1: of this team to get them to play to the
Speaker 1: peak of their abilities. I don't think we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see that from Mike McCarthy. Um. I think you
Speaker 1: don't have that issue on offense because of the players
Speaker 1: that you have, and we know the type of leader
Speaker 1: that Dak is and we know that everybody's gonna follow him.
Speaker 1: They're gonna follow Zeke. You kind of got a receiving
Speaker 1: corps that they know what to do right. You have
Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper leading leading that bunch. You don't see
Speaker 1: them getting any issues and they're productive. And then on
Speaker 1: special teams, we know that that that fossil is a motivator.
Speaker 1: He's going to motivate his guys to get out there
Speaker 1: and play. He's gonna come up with creative things to
Speaker 1: make sure that they feel like they're a part of
Speaker 1: the game and making those plays. And I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: this man just like uh like like you called himself
Speaker 1: my man DQ, my man DQ. Dan Quinn seems like
Speaker 1: he has the guys fired up and ready to get
Speaker 1: in their tackle, make their be on their assignments, make
Speaker 1: plays on the ball. As NEWI said, if you've been
Speaker 1: watching training camp, the defensive being has been getting the
Speaker 1: best of the offense. And so I don't think when
Speaker 1: you look at it, you have to see McCarthy being
Speaker 1: the motivator of men, because these guys in their position
Speaker 1: and coaches, their coordinators are going to have them ready
Speaker 1: to play when it comes game time anyway, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna see it, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl Trophy. It's heavier than just pointing that
Speaker 1: to your point. I love what you said about Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn because you see it in these practices. You see
Speaker 1: it while they were out there and Ox started, and
Speaker 1: even in the preseason game that these guys, these players,
Speaker 1: these guys on the defensive side of the ball, they
Speaker 1: seem to believe in Quinn. They seem to believe in
Speaker 1: what he has going for him. You see these guys,
Speaker 1: they're fired up. There's not a lot of coverage busts
Speaker 1: out there now. I don't know if you know he's
Speaker 1: implementing his whole defense yet or they're just dealing with
Speaker 1: the super basics right now, but you haven't seen any
Speaker 1: coverage busts out there. These guys are flying around to
Speaker 1: the ball. And one difference I've seen. I know it's early,
Speaker 1: I know we only got a short sample size, but
Speaker 1: from that Steelers game, you saw those guys swarm into
Speaker 1: the ball. There wasn't just you know, one guy trying
Speaker 1: to make all the players or one guy tackling in
Speaker 1: an open field. There was one, two, three, four different
Speaker 1: hats to the ball at a time. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what you gotta have on a defense, is
Speaker 1: that swarming mentality. I think last year we had it
Speaker 1: was just too many one on ones. There was just
Speaker 1: too many open fields just one on ones. And that
Speaker 1: to me, as we both know that's one of the
Speaker 1: hardest things to do in football is to tackle somebody
Speaker 1: in the open field. So I'll do to your point
Speaker 1: saying that Dan McQuinn eat or dan quinn mc quinn
Speaker 1: has definitely got the belief of these young boys, and
Speaker 1: they're rolling. All right. We gotta take we gotta take
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Speaker 1: nineteen and eighty eight are going to have the potential,
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, definitely a CD. I think for
Speaker 1: Shaw CD throughout this camp and you'll see the early
Speaker 1: part of the season, I think CD will solidify himself
Speaker 1: as being that number one option for Dak Prescott as
Speaker 1: far as the passing game is concerned. But what I'm
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing though, is you know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, CD Lamb and Amari Cooper. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do this, We're gonna do that. We're gonna destroy the game,
Speaker 1: gonna be the best duo. We're gonna be the best
Speaker 1: duo in the National Football League. But I thought this
Speaker 1: was a trio. I thought this was the receiving crew
Speaker 1: that's gonna all go over a thousand yards. Nobody can
Speaker 1: stop us. Won't be amazing. People seem to forgot about Gallup.
Speaker 1: And it's not just people his own teammates seem to
Speaker 1: have forgotten about can't. I don't. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the case, man, because because because this, this, this is
Speaker 1: what happens. This is what we know about about Gallup. Okay,
Speaker 1: there is a certain certain type of ball. No, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just your just your thing a little bit. There's a
Speaker 1: certain type of ball that h that Michael Gallup usually
Speaker 1: makes a spectaclar play on, and that is the deep ball,
Speaker 1: usually on the sideline, not up through scene. Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: is usually doesn't run those routes, and Mark Cooper usually
Speaker 1: isn't running those routes. When you need a deep ball,
Speaker 1: got to have it, it's Michael Gallups. So you're saying
Speaker 1: he's a one trick pony. No, No, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be forgotten about it because we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in situations where we need to have that deep
Speaker 1: guy to have it passed, and Michael Gallop is going
Speaker 1: to be the guy to go make that part. Do
Speaker 1: you think do you think this will affect the room overall? Though?
Speaker 1: Like if if ceedee, Lamb's getting first five games, ceede,
Speaker 1: Lamb's got fifty targets, a Mark Cooper got sixty targets,
Speaker 1: and then you know he's sitting over there with Gallop
Speaker 1: in a contract year. I might add in a contract
Speaker 1: year with you know, fifteen targets here there. You don't
Speaker 1: think that will affect the round. I think it will
Speaker 1: affect the room, But I think that this is what
Speaker 1: makes that a great leader, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: he will allow that to become an issue. And I
Speaker 1: don't see Michael Gallup only getting you know, fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: catches while the rest of these guys are making those
Speaker 1: type of plays because we know defenses are going to
Speaker 1: figure out who they need to focus on, and then
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop will get more opportunities. He may not get
Speaker 1: talked about that way. He's just gonna have to make
Speaker 1: those plays to bring his name back into the fall.
Speaker 1: What you think NEWI Hey, look, my weekend got Pat
Speaker 1: Donney over the NBC five called Michael Gallop elite. He
Speaker 1: said the cat was at three elite receivers. And my
Speaker 1: first thought is, look, I like Michael a lot. I
Speaker 1: think he's a fun guy to talk to, But there's
Speaker 1: no way in the world we can call Michael Gallup elite.
Speaker 1: Elite means that you are the best of the best,
Speaker 1: and here's a guy who's a number three target on
Speaker 1: his own team. And if we start talking about touches
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliot, he's even further down the list because
Speaker 1: they were running a whole lot of screen game here.
Speaker 1: So I expect to see Ezekiel Elliott heavily involved in
Speaker 1: the passing game. We've seen Blake Jarwin out there making
Speaker 1: some nice catches, and Dalton Schultz has been a guy
Speaker 1: that these backup quarterbacks have really relied upon him. So
Speaker 1: I just don't know how much juice and how many
Speaker 1: balls are gonna be out there for Michael Gallant when
Speaker 1: you need a play you just thought the cee lamb
Speaker 1: and he's catching him. Amari Cooper is still a guy
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott trusts, and I think that matters, And I
Speaker 1: don't think we talk about that enough. Nineteen is a
Speaker 1: dude that he's been trusting with. So you take nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, two guys he can trust, you play twenty
Speaker 1: one and the way you need to do and get
Speaker 1: him some touches here. I don't see how Gallup is
Speaker 1: really going to be able to get these balls that
Speaker 1: he wants to. When people talk about this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: sign some deal next year for a thirteen or fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars and he's gonna be a number one somewhere,
Speaker 1: How are you going to be a number one somewhere
Speaker 1: when you can't even get to be really be at
Speaker 1: two If both guys are healthy in this offense and
Speaker 1: you're probably the fourth or fifth option depending on who
Speaker 1: you play and how this game plan is going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and to me, it's gonna come down to whether Gallup
Speaker 1: is the ultimate you know, team guy, whether he's you
Speaker 1: know it's in a contract year, he has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to make that Dennis Shrewder before he got that up,
Speaker 1: he got an opportunity to make those those big bucks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had to throw that shooter in there.
Speaker 1: I had to do it. It was one of the
Speaker 1: biggest gaffs I think I've ever seen when it came
Speaker 1: to negotiating and making money. You pass up eighty four,
Speaker 1: you're left with five. But anyways, Gallup, I think I
Speaker 1: think if he listens out to to to the media
Speaker 1: people like if he listens to guys like us out here,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna start getting to him and I
Speaker 1: think it might affect the room. But you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. Money money changes minds a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine. He's not a number
Speaker 1: one receiver, definitely not. Not not at this point of
Speaker 1: his career. He's not. If he makes some improvements and
Speaker 1: and he he's able to get some more balls thrown
Speaker 1: as way, he makes some more spectacular catches than maybe.
Speaker 1: But I think he just needs to settle into the
Speaker 1: road that he's been playing. Ceedee Lamb was the first
Speaker 1: round pick last year. He came on the scene. He
Speaker 1: got he got, he got a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of looks. Mary Cooper is going to give a lot
Speaker 1: of looks, and Gallup is going to get the spectacular plays,
Speaker 1: and they're going to give him the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: down there and make those thirty and forty yard catches.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we shall see. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of a great trio. And
Speaker 1: you guys may remember it. A guy named Jake Reid
Speaker 1: who's a North Texas resident. Jake Reid played on some
Speaker 1: great Vikings teams with Randy Moss and Chris Carter. Jake
Speaker 1: was a really good football player, but he just wasn't
Speaker 1: those two guys. And obviously he's not those two guys,
Speaker 1: because those two guys are Hall of famers. I'm not
Speaker 1: calling Cooper, not calling Lamb hall of famers, but I
Speaker 1: believe that you're talking about guys who are a step
Speaker 1: above Michael Gallant. And I think Michael Gallant maybe an
Speaker 1: a different off in someplace. Maybe he can become a one,
Speaker 1: but I just don't see him getting a thousand yards
Speaker 1: or having to be this big option like they're talking
Speaker 1: about here. Twenty one looks good fellas Okay, he really
Speaker 1: does look good. And the screen game I saw. If
Speaker 1: this offensive line is healthy and there, and if they
Speaker 1: can get this screen game out there, and then some
Speaker 1: of the routes they have him running, twenty one is
Speaker 1: gonna be something to deal with. Okay, that's where I
Speaker 1: just don't see gout getting getting his love. They put
Speaker 1: him on him cover to me, you guys, so that's nice.
Speaker 1: You know they're trying. They're trying to make them feel good,
Speaker 1: but there's just too many mouths to feed. If this
Speaker 1: offense is doing everything that we believe it can be
Speaker 1: and live up to, I mean, don't tell you right now.
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin looks nice. He looks nice, and for some
Speaker 1: reason there's no animosity or in between he and Dalta
Speaker 1: Schultz at all their buddies. They're trying to push each
Speaker 1: other here, and Dalta's Schultz is not trying to sit
Speaker 1: up here. Just give this thing away to Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: He's look good as too. So you're killing Moore man.
Speaker 1: You've got options. We ain't even talk about twenty Pollard here, guys,
Speaker 1: not even talked about Stop it, Neui, stop it. He
Speaker 1: does not need too many options Okay, we already talked
Speaker 1: about what Listen, we talked about this before. Dak had
Speaker 1: to show the string, go into these first games, run
Speaker 1: the ball, and then you know, let these other options
Speaker 1: feed off whatever Zeke does. He don't need too many things,
Speaker 1: too many people to focus on. Hey man, let's get
Speaker 1: jar one. Let's make sure we take care of shows
Speaker 1: because he did do something for us last year. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta fit Tony Pollitt and then somewhere and also
Speaker 1: don't let Michael Galli get too upsets, so make sure
Speaker 1: let's not let's not do that. Okay, you said twenty
Speaker 1: one looks great. Focus the offensive around twenty one each
Speaker 1: Dak back into it, and Coop and UH and and
Speaker 1: CD will get their touches. And then you know, Michael
Speaker 1: gallup when we need that that we got that third
Speaker 1: and twenty toust the ball, tom My man, Michael galler Man,
Speaker 1: let him go out there for the play. Look, I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree that it's a good problem
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys that have all these you know, options,
Speaker 1: and that you know, it's gonna be hard for defenses
Speaker 1: to match up with them because they have so many
Speaker 1: miss match nightmares out there. Tight end wherever she running back,
Speaker 1: you call it, they got the mismatch forward. But I
Speaker 1: want to pivot a little bit, just a little bit
Speaker 1: right here, because knew what you were there at practice,
Speaker 1: You were there when the Rams came to town. How
Speaker 1: did the big hog Molly's up front? How did those
Speaker 1: giants in the trenches? How did they look out there
Speaker 1: against a vaunted Rams rush? I mean, you got Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: you got Lennon Floyd out there. If you got some
Speaker 1: guys that can get after the pass rushing or can
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. So to me, how did those
Speaker 1: big boys look once the Rams got Oh? I did
Speaker 1: see that it was a great takedown on Aaron Donald. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had good for him. But if you continue to
Speaker 1: look at it, Aaron Donald jumped on him real quick afterwards.
Speaker 1: And if his boys ain't hop in, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But you know, how did they look out there to do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They look okay? So so Church, you're telling on yourself
Speaker 1: because clearly you didn't watch any of my reporting. I
Speaker 1: want you to explain to the to the audience. I was,
Speaker 1: I was. I was at the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame and Canton, Ohio sad today and Sunday for for
Speaker 1: for for the speeches. So I didn't see what I
Speaker 1: can't see. So here's what I did say though, And
Speaker 1: this was absolutely the craziest thing and why Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: is truly the man. So at the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame Stadium, they had a whole locker room they
Speaker 1: converted into the Cowboys Club full of food, all you
Speaker 1: can drink, TVs solfas. So I'm sitting next to Clarence
Speaker 1: Hill and Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones somehow had the feed
Speaker 1: of the scrimmage piped into the locker room where we're
Speaker 1: watching this at this Cowboys Club waiting on Cliff Harris
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Johnson and get their speeches. And so we're
Speaker 1: just asking Jerry about stuff we're seeing and it isn't
Speaker 1: I mean, first off, I'm like, how in the world
Speaker 1: did Jerry get this thing pumped in here? But he did.
Speaker 1: So we watched it from there, and Jerry candidate made
Speaker 1: a play out there. He was big on him, saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of the fight. Um, Jerry didn't comment
Speaker 1: on that at all. And and so I didn't get
Speaker 1: to see the scrimmage to ask you answer your question.
Speaker 1: But Jerry. Jerry was a fan of what he saw
Speaker 1: a little bit that he saw there by the way
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford could sling it, My gosh, that kid's
Speaker 1: got an arm. Yeah, and we had back Yeah after
Speaker 1: watching the backup quarterbacks that I saw an ox star
Speaker 1: when that went down to see Matthew Staffords, it was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, oh, my gosh, like that, that's a
Speaker 1: wicked throat. So I didn't. I did not get to
Speaker 1: see how how they stacked up against the Rams. So
Speaker 1: I didn't because I was hanging next to Jerry and
Speaker 1: uh enjoying, uh, enjoying everything at the Cowboys Club before
Speaker 1: we walked out there and uh watched some speeches. It
Speaker 1: was good stuff. Man. Was that rollo with Jerry is
Speaker 1: a good thing? Was that was that McDonald's on U
Speaker 1: hard nuts last night? Was he eating the McDonald's saying
Speaker 1: would you when he was in his office with a mcgriddle?
Speaker 1: Oh not No, that was something from the hotel hotel,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what I said. Somebody told me it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, the way you did watch you know,
Speaker 1: like the rest of like the rest of us, you
Speaker 1: did watch the Hall of Fame game you did. You
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to go see the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame game, So I gotta I gotta know what your
Speaker 1: what's your early thoughts on one are first round draft
Speaker 1: picked Parsons? And two what you think about those backup
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that uh we talked about here on the Players
Speaker 1: Lounge last week? So let me let me know your
Speaker 1: thoughts on those. One, Michael Parsons was drafted too low, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they are eleven football players better than
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. In fact, he told me said I should
Speaker 1: have gone top five. So that's my first take on
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. I think if you're a Cowboy fan, you're
Speaker 1: going to be happy if this kid stays healthy. He
Speaker 1: has the desire, the right frame of mind sets. Kind
Speaker 1: of talking to him in cd Land, these are two
Speaker 1: guys who both really want to be very good in
Speaker 1: their careers. And as far as the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game goes with the quarterbacks, I'll just maintain what I
Speaker 1: said before right now on the players round too, the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback for this football team is not on this roster.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, many y'all gonna do that, Dan, let
Speaker 1: me hear what you think about exactly? We had three points. Okay,
Speaker 1: my man, your man Double G had he had a
Speaker 1: decent drive and the other than that it was nothing.
Speaker 1: It was nothing. I don't I don't like what I saw.
Speaker 1: And if they're you know, knocking on wood, this is
Speaker 1: just whatever. If Dak has to miss any time, I
Speaker 1: am not confident in what we have as the backup
Speaker 1: right now to be able to hold it together until
Speaker 1: he until he returns. Well before I go in on
Speaker 1: Double G here, what do you think about Parsons and
Speaker 1: his ability out there for a couple of series, we
Speaker 1: did see him at the Hall of Fan game. Man,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because it's gonna sound like it's a knock
Speaker 1: on Jalen. But I was like, this is what I
Speaker 1: thought when Jalen returned to his former self how he
Speaker 1: was in college. I was like, this is this is
Speaker 1: how Jalen's gonna look. Right. The dude looks fast, does
Speaker 1: he looks agile. He looks like he can get around blocks.
Speaker 1: He's running past guys who are trying to block him.
Speaker 1: He's chasing down, giving effort on every play, and he's
Speaker 1: just high energy. Dude. The dude looks if he figures
Speaker 1: it out and he knows where he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: when he's supposed to be there, and he's able to
Speaker 1: play fast and free, Oh he's gonna be nice. Somebody's
Speaker 1: spot is getting taken, and somebody's spot is getting taken
Speaker 1: for sure, you count that out. Somebody's off the field
Speaker 1: for sure. Well, my thoughts on on on Parsons man like, Look,
Speaker 1: if this guy can stay healthy through seventeen games, if
Speaker 1: he can stay healthy, I think the sky's limit for
Speaker 1: this kid. I mean you can even though we have
Speaker 1: a small sample size so far of him. He flashed,
Speaker 1: he popped off the tape. I mean you can you
Speaker 1: can feel his speed on the game film, and he
Speaker 1: sideline the sideline. He was just there, and so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, even though it's early, it's really early, you know,
Speaker 1: small sample size. I do think this guy can be special,
Speaker 1: and I do think that he can be a huge
Speaker 1: reason to why you know, this cowboy's defense makes a
Speaker 1: turnaround in twenty one. But back to my boy Double G.
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all was over here talking all types of
Speaker 1: stuff about Double G. Last last last time we were
Speaker 1: on the players, and I was still were still talking,
Speaker 1: still talking about and I was with y'all a little
Speaker 1: bit because it was nervous. I heard the reports out
Speaker 1: of practice, and I was a little bit nervous for him.
Speaker 1: But like I said, man, this guy is a gamer,
Speaker 1: all right. Some guys show up the practice and they
Speaker 1: practice well. Some guys come up to the game and
Speaker 1: they just play well in the game. And I think
Speaker 1: DOUBLEG is one of those gamers. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: what he was able to do against the Steelers, the
Speaker 1: undefeated Steelers at the time. And look, I mean that's
Speaker 1: all we got right now. Double G as the Steelers
Speaker 1: and in this preseason game, and y'all can't tell me
Speaker 1: through this preseason game, nui, Danny, y'all can't tell me
Speaker 1: Double G didn't look like he had some pocket presents
Speaker 1: back there. He was putting the ball where only his
Speaker 1: receivers could catch it, and he was letting them run
Speaker 1: with it afterwards. It was the Hall of Fame game, yes,
Speaker 1: and he was playing with who he could play with.
Speaker 1: The guy was out well. I mean, if he's out
Speaker 1: back on the quarterback, then he should have been looking great.
Speaker 1: If he looks like that behind that offensive line, just
Speaker 1: imagine Zach Martin Tyren Smith like l Collins zeke in
Speaker 1: the backfield, that's what that's re receiver. That's what me
Speaker 1: and new He telling you, Bro, we don't want to
Speaker 1: imagine that that tenfolds which but if it were to happen,
Speaker 1: Double can do a stay back there. He has a game.
Speaker 1: I remember when when Dak was having his contracts talk,
Speaker 1: contract talks. Uh, my man Church was over here kind
Speaker 1: of putting it out there that that Double G might
Speaker 1: be able to step in and and and then he
Speaker 1: went down to justin fields. But you knew Double G.
Speaker 1: You have some real confidence and Double G just like
Speaker 1: you had in the Nucci before you saw y'all saw
Speaker 1: the Duci out there that even here getting brought up
Speaker 1: on the show right now, Double he is a game.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this guy's a game. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's not a gamer. We just saying knew he. Like
Speaker 1: I agree with Newy our backup quarterback who we need
Speaker 1: to depend on if something goes wrong, it's not on
Speaker 1: the roster and that includes Double GN. What you think, NW,
Speaker 1: what you think? Yeah, the Nuci is getting cut so
Speaker 1: and let you know that right now he's gonna get
Speaker 1: cut and maybe maybe they bring it back on the
Speaker 1: practice squad at this point time. Unless Cooper Rush turns around,
Speaker 1: he'll get cut too. And I think they'll keep two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They'll keep Dak and they'll kick. They'll kick. Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: and Will McClay will be out there looking. But that's
Speaker 1: just how I see, just based off one preseason game
Speaker 1: and and and what I've seen so far. So we'll see. Um. Looky,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I know you like I know you
Speaker 1: like Garret Gilbert. I like he's a nice guy, a
Speaker 1: nice guy. It's a nice young man. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. I mean all like to
Speaker 1: quote the great Bill Parcels. All I can go by
Speaker 1: is what I see. I saw three points at the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I was falling asleep in the fourth quarter. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was falling asleep the press box in the fourth Quarterback. Wait,
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Speaker 1: want to I want you guys to tell me what
Speaker 1: I saw. Okay, what I saw between Dan Quinn, Mike
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Speaker 1: really mean. I want you guys to tell me because
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Speaker 1: a coordinator decide they want to spend time with you
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Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the Players Lounge the last
Speaker 1: time and I want to come back to it. After
Speaker 1: a practice, I see Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy walking
Speaker 1: with Micah Parsons. They walk all the way down the
Speaker 1: football field. They stopped talked for a little bit. They
Speaker 1: walk all the way back, then we see him playing
Speaker 1: major minutes in the Pro Football Hall of Fame game
Speaker 1: and he was wearing the Green dot call and plays.
Speaker 1: Then they ended up taking them out after they felt
Speaker 1: like they saw enough of him because Mike McCarthy said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get guys some playing time and Kenton,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, he wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: they had some juice to get ready for that Rams
Speaker 1: scrimmage on Saturday. So fellas based on that walk, based
Speaker 1: on what you've seen so far, what kind of plans
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys have from Micah Parsons at linebacker?
Speaker 1: They have the usual, the usual plans for their high
Speaker 1: first round pick. I remember, I believe was it it
Speaker 1: was Mo Clayborne who came in, and you know, they
Speaker 1: had two solidified starters that were here already. Those starters
Speaker 1: were the upset and they were making sure putting in
Speaker 1: all the extra time that they could to make sure
Speaker 1: that Mogat caught up to speed so he was ready
Speaker 1: to play in that first regular season game. So it
Speaker 1: feels very similar, very similar to that, and that's why
Speaker 1: I believe that somebody's spot is going to get taken.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that he's going to be taking a
Speaker 1: lot of Randy Gregory's reps over rushing off the edge.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be vander Esh or it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith who's losing out on some of those nickel reps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm right there with you on that. When you
Speaker 1: see you know, the defensive corder, not the position coach,
Speaker 1: not the linebacker, the defensive coordinator, you know, walking them
Speaker 1: with the first round pick up and down the field
Speaker 1: after practice as if I'm in you know, Vanderesh, or
Speaker 1: if I'm in Smiths shoes, I'm sitting there like all right, man,
Speaker 1: one of us is up out of here. Or because
Speaker 1: they I don't think they got in the room to
Speaker 1: keep all three and even if they do, somebody's reps
Speaker 1: is getting taken. I mean you already seen it the
Speaker 1: writings on the wall when they were in that preseason game.
Speaker 1: You know, all three of them want to feel that
Speaker 1: at some point, but then sometimes it was just you know,
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and Parsons, and then sometimes it was just Smith
Speaker 1: and um Parsons. So he's eating into regardless of whatever happens.
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever happens is far but weak one he's eating
Speaker 1: into somebody's reps, whether it be Gregory off the edge
Speaker 1: one of these linebackers. And if he keeps making plays
Speaker 1: and being around the ball like we saw in that
Speaker 1: in that Steelers preseason game, I mean he might take
Speaker 1: them off, you know. So it's gonna definitely gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: But if I'm looking at that and seeing him walk
Speaker 1: up and down the field with the coach and they're
Speaker 1: doing everything that they can to make this guy special
Speaker 1: and make this guy be able to be on the
Speaker 1: field as much as he can. So that's that's what
Speaker 1: that's what that is. That's all that is. And watch
Speaker 1: the relationship between Dan Quinn and Michael Parsons versus a
Speaker 1: relationship you see between Mike McCarthy and Dak right. But
Speaker 1: dan Quinn calls Michael Parson, Hey, man, come to the phone.
Speaker 1: Hey who is this? He this DQ? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know what you're doing wrong? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta play outside. All right, that's cool. Now we don't
Speaker 1: let you go back in the game and you're gonna
Speaker 1: chill out peace, phone up. That was good. So you
Speaker 1: know that they're they're getting close and he has their
Speaker 1: respect for dan Quinn knowing that he's going to put
Speaker 1: him in the right position, and he trusts that when
Speaker 1: the season comes, dan Quinn is gonna get him out
Speaker 1: there on the field. We know this, all right, so
Speaker 1: I'm expecting to see big things out of him, you know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, at the at the cost of somebody else's
Speaker 1: Ribs professional football festival. Well so you guys had brought
Speaker 1: up Dennis Shrewder who was with the Lads, and he
Speaker 1: turned down an eighty four million dollar contract during the season,
Speaker 1: And I just simply want to say this, While that
Speaker 1: was dumb and yes, that was bad, that is not
Speaker 1: the worst contract turned down I've ever seen. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, there was a kid that the Mavericks
Speaker 1: traded for from Philadelphia who was I think the third
Speaker 1: pickover on the draft a few years before, named Nerlands Noel.
Speaker 1: Now by the time they got Newlands Nowell, here's the
Speaker 1: guy who was a big disappointment. He never averaged a
Speaker 1: double double at all. And Mark Kuban, against the advice
Speaker 1: of his own people, offered him seventy two million dollars
Speaker 1: maybe a seventy three, and Norland said no, he wanted
Speaker 1: a max deal. And I'm thinking to myself, way, you've
Speaker 1: never averaged a double double in anything in your NBA career,
Speaker 1: and somebody's offering you seventy three million. You're about to
Speaker 1: hold out because you want more, and wait, here's more food.
Speaker 1: Came to training camp out of shape, came to training
Speaker 1: camp out of shape, turning out seventy three million dollars,
Speaker 1: and so they made him play it out. First of all,
Speaker 1: he fired his agent because he thought that the agent
Speaker 1: should have got him a backs contract. So he fired
Speaker 1: the agent, picked up Lebron's guy. Lebron's guy called the
Speaker 1: Maps and they were like, yeah, man, we're not about
Speaker 1: to pay him anymore. We've come to our senses. He
Speaker 1: played out the year. In the next season, he signed
Speaker 1: a two year contract, which was basically one plus one
Speaker 1: with a player option with the Oklahoma City for two
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean, you hate to see it, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, man, I don't understand, I don't understand
Speaker 1: like these But then again, I so you can see
Speaker 1: like you got your like shrewder. He's seeing some of
Speaker 1: his peers making hundreds of millions of dollars and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm as good as him, or I'm as good as
Speaker 1: Chris Paul. I can I can go out there and
Speaker 1: get you know, just as much money as they do,
Speaker 1: and you end up fumbling an eighty four million dollar bag.
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand it. You need the right in
Speaker 1: your ear telling you the truth about what you are here,
Speaker 1: what your work right, Because if you're telling yourself, then
Speaker 1: you think you Chris Paul, You think that you Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: that you find to get two hundred meals. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you're just if you're the only
Speaker 1: person around that can tell you something that that you
Speaker 1: know that has some validity, I will say, this is
Speaker 1: another shocking thing that I saw. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: how long a good has happened, but my man, uh,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney goes to New York. He's there for one day,
Speaker 1: you know. He I think they had to run sprints
Speaker 1: or something, you know what they got out there and
Speaker 1: he's like, look, let me tell you something. My body,
Speaker 1: my body is not gonna let me perform at that,
Speaker 1: you know, at the at the rate that I that
Speaker 1: I thought it was so peace Joe was about. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, I ain't signed up for none
Speaker 1: of this be a backup anyways. Nah, I'm about of here, man,
Speaker 1: And I tell y'all, the grass is not always greater
Speaker 1: side like the Cowboy everybody thinks, you know, and everything's
Speaker 1: just like the Dallas Cowboys organization, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you it is not all right.
Speaker 1: It is nowhere near the level that the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: organization is. So be wearing all those young free agents
Speaker 1: out there, y'all cats, the grass is always not greener.
Speaker 1: On the other side, I'm seking that I can second
Speaker 1: bet and I broke my ass right back right, Coach,
Speaker 1: you got something, whatever you gott I'll take it to
Speaker 1: get me out of here. Well, keep your mind. It
Speaker 1: was like maybe three or four giants, who quick, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good about not about this life, man, not about
Speaker 1: this life. So um, that's that's kind of funny because
Speaker 1: apparently they still have yet to give out the number
Speaker 1: seventy three with the Cowboys, so maybe maybe Joe could unretire,
Speaker 1: I don't know, make some type of trade something. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was it was hilarious to to see that the
Speaker 1: Giants and Joe Judge out here running guys off and
Speaker 1: who knows what kind of you're they're gonna have, because well,
Speaker 1: let me ask a question real quick, what makes y'all think, Well,
Speaker 1: what y'all think makes these players, these veteran players. You're
Speaker 1: already in the camp, you already did OTA's mini camp,
Speaker 1: You're in the training camp right now. What makes you think, Well,
Speaker 1: what makes those players think all right, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wait all the way into the last minute to retire.
Speaker 1: Like you don't think they had these thoughts you know
Speaker 1: in OTAs in mini camp, Like I wonder what you
Speaker 1: know goes through their thoughts to where at training camp
Speaker 1: they're just like, you know what, it's over. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know why why Joe would do that, because I
Speaker 1: know that him and j G would have had to
Speaker 1: have some type of conversation to get him to come in.
Speaker 1: And my thing is, no matter who it is, JG
Speaker 1: or not, I'm just like, hey, man, you agree to
Speaker 1: this as a a man's and say, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I'm gonna come in and
Speaker 1: this is what I agree to for one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like one day I see you're having a
Speaker 1: bad season, you know, like my boy was my man,
Speaker 1: say man, I ain't going back out at the bad time,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm staying in the locker room, you know.
Speaker 1: But he went through the season and he was having
Speaker 1: whatever thoughts or whatever. My land Joe was there for
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. It wasn't like he was there, you know,
Speaker 1: through all OTA's mini camp and then you know how
Speaker 1: I got that long break before camp. He was with
Speaker 1: his family and he was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: just can't do it now. He was he was just
Speaker 1: there for one day. Just don't come on. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't understand that at all, man, at all. All right,
Speaker 1: here's my thought, and this is just my thought that
Speaker 1: Jason convinced him. You know, he's been talking to him
Speaker 1: and talking to him and talked to him and then
Speaker 1: convinced him and he went up there and he got
Speaker 1: a taste of him. Now I'm gonna go right on
Speaker 1: back here to grape Vine, Texas and uh lived the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I'm good. I don't need this.
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to Bart Scott once. Bart told
Speaker 1: me the reason he didn't go back and play. At
Speaker 1: the end, he said, man, they were offering a million,
Speaker 1: two million dollars and he said, after taxes for everything
Speaker 1: that I gotta put my body through. Is it worth that?
Speaker 1: He said, no, it's not. It's like, you know, my
Speaker 1: body's worth more than a half million dollars. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, and then or a million when you consider
Speaker 1: just everything else. And he talked about I have to
Speaker 1: move to a different place. My family's not going to
Speaker 1: be here and around me, and he just at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, for him, he said it wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be worth the cost. And if a team
Speaker 1: wanted to meet his number to come play, he said
Speaker 1: he drew it. Team never met his number, so he
Speaker 1: decided to retire and he got into broadcasting. That was
Speaker 1: just a smart move. I mean, like like you said,
Speaker 1: after you go through to everybody looks at that that
Speaker 1: that big number that jumps out all. He signed a
Speaker 1: one year from you know, three million dollars or something
Speaker 1: like that after taxes, depending on where you're playing. That
Speaker 1: let's just say you're playing in New York Man after
Speaker 1: the taxes, and you know, after you got to pay
Speaker 1: taxes in each place you play in, and agent fees
Speaker 1: and all that and probabe costs of living and on
Speaker 1: us stuff, it dwindles extremely fast. So you know, I
Speaker 1: definitely can can believe when these older guys move on
Speaker 1: at the last you know, last couple of years of
Speaker 1: their career and they start thinking, you know, is it
Speaker 1: is it worth? You know, they say three million, but
Speaker 1: it's really gonna be around one point five one point one?
Speaker 1: Is it really worth putting my body, you know, through
Speaker 1: six months of hell for that and leaving my family
Speaker 1: because a lot of these cats got you know, kids,
Speaker 1: and kids start in school and you're missing out a
Speaker 1: lot of that. So I guess that also has to
Speaker 1: go into it with these veteran guys. But I always
Speaker 1: never understood, you know, why go in at the last
Speaker 1: minute and then just retire right before the season. Never
Speaker 1: understood it for me. Well, But I also go into this,
Speaker 1: and you guys know it well because now you both
Speaker 1: have children. Is when you're away from your family, all
Speaker 1: the things that you put on your wife to handle,
Speaker 1: that's true. And if you've got small kids, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: And if you're someplace you really don't want to be.
Speaker 1: And if you're doing any in like Barry, you had
Speaker 1: secure the bag. So if you secure the bag, then
Speaker 1: that's where you decide to say, man, is it really
Speaker 1: worth it. And that's where bart was. Barted secure the
Speaker 1: bag from the jet. So it was kind of thinging, man,
Speaker 1: I don't have to do it for this. And I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, Barry, but you know, for a
Speaker 1: guy like bart he thought about, hey, how many more
Speaker 1: hits to my putting all my body and how much
Speaker 1: of the how many of those hits could result into
Speaker 1: some longer term damage for my health and safety, and
Speaker 1: he just felt for that money it wasn't worth it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you felt the same way when you just signed there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with bart On that one. I had
Speaker 1: offers from Seattle, offers from Washington once I was done
Speaker 1: with the Jacksonville. But when you start thinking about it
Speaker 1: and you know you gotta move, like you said, you
Speaker 1: gotta move, and after taxes and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: then your body, your body's talking to you as well.
Speaker 1: I mean there's days I get out of bed and
Speaker 1: for no reason, my toes are hurting, my ankles are hurt,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, what, And then you get to
Speaker 1: the practice facility and you're like, how am I gonna
Speaker 1: get through this practice? Like one of my my body
Speaker 1: is hurting and it talks to you after a while,
Speaker 1: and then that's when a lot of guys, you know, say,
Speaker 1: you know what, money ain't even worth it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and call it a career. And then there's
Speaker 1: some guys that go ahead and keep playing. And then
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, those guys, you know, as they
Speaker 1: get older, they have health problems. So definitely got to
Speaker 1: look out for your body. That's the number one thing
Speaker 1: when you're doing this NFL thing as a career. Man,
Speaker 1: it's definitely a tough, tough career. Hey, that's the players Lounge.
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