WEBVTT - TechStuff Gets Curious About Mars

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Polette

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<v Speaker 1>and I am an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting across from me as usual, senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, all right, so today we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about stuff what beepsy stuff? What beeps? What we

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<v Speaker 1>shoot off into space to hit the red planet that

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<v Speaker 1>is near us sometimes near us And well it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because there there is another science podcast around here somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to blow your mind. Yeah, we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>them because we decided, well occasionally we talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>same stuff because we're fascinated by it, and we decided

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't care if they talk about this. There's overlap,

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<v Speaker 1>because we wanted to talk about the Mars rover. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and and specifically we're talking about the Curiosity rover, which

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<v Speaker 1>successfully touched down on the surface of Mars, despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the way of delivering said rover to the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of Mars was I think the scientific term is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely freaking crazy. I was gonna say nuts, but that'll work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the short version of the full scientific term. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And we want to talk about why is it such

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, why is it so hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>to Mars and sort of talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>historical missions that led up to Curiosity as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the Curiosity mission itself. So, um, do you let's say that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say we're talking about the success failure rate of

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<v Speaker 1>missions to Mars. Um depending not pleasant to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon how you define success or failure. Uh. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the more common statistics I've seen, or are figures

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen, is that twenty three out of thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>missions sent to Mars failed in some way. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>which gives it a pretty dismal success rate. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>Are you speaking of all missions to marrows? So anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who's ever shot something at the Red planet? Anyone anyone

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth? Okay, we just we can't just pointing that out.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't really talk about anyone from outside of Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know. Good point, but I meant not the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Of course. We are located in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just wanted to point out that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking you're talking at Earthling. The United States success failure

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<v Speaker 1>rate is better. It's thirteen successes out of eighteen tries

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<v Speaker 1>prior to curiosity, I think it is. It is important

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<v Speaker 1>to point out too, that the United States has been

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<v Speaker 1>later to the let's throw stuff at the red planet party,

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<v Speaker 1>and so maybe part of the failures of the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union is well, part of them is due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the Soviet Union is no more. But when

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<v Speaker 1>they were very active at this, they were maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>so good at it. They were the probably be better

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<v Speaker 1>at it now. They were the only ones doing it

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<v Speaker 1>at the time they were. So you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why is the why is this success rates so low?

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<v Speaker 1>On Mars is hard, it's it's hard to get to

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<v Speaker 1>and and here's the Moon might be a little closer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's I'll give you some figures here. So the average

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<v Speaker 1>distance between Earth and the Moon is about two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight thousand, nine hundred miles or three four thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred kilometers. That's about how far it is from

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<v Speaker 1>Earth to the Moon. And it takes a few days

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<v Speaker 1>for us to send something to go land on the Moon. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, astronauts aboard and Apollo Capsule. Take a few

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<v Speaker 1>days to get there, and to get there in a

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<v Speaker 1>few more days to get back. Um, but that's that's doable.

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<v Speaker 1>We did do it, so clearly it's doable. It's a vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting someone to Mars, getting anything to Mars takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more time. Now. Part of that is because the

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<v Speaker 1>distance between Earth and Mars is not constant. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for that is that you know, both planets are

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<v Speaker 1>going around the Sun, right, but they're going at different

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<v Speaker 1>speeds and their orbits are different sizes. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>times when Earth and Mars are aligned and they are

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<v Speaker 1>about as close as they possibly can be. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are other times where Earth is on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun and Mars is on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun and they're about as far apart as they

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can be. So the distance varies dramatically. At the closest,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth and Mars are about thirty three million, nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles apart, or fifty four million, six hundred thousand kilometers,

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<v Speaker 1>So to compare again to the Moon, the Moon was

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<v Speaker 1>two eight thousand, nine hundred miles away, more Ours thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three million, nine hundred thousand miles away. So that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a day trip way further, and that's that it's closest

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<v Speaker 1>at its furthest away Mars is about two hundred forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine million, one hundred sixty thousand miles away or four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred one million kilometers away. So if you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>a mission to Mars of any kind, um, then you

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<v Speaker 1>need to do a lot of thinking about it and

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<v Speaker 1>and planning beforehand, because you need to decide, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we gonna send there. We're gonna send a rover, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and how how much is that gone away? Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to weigh about this much? How much you know? Rocketude?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we need to throw at it? Okay? So you

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<v Speaker 1>got your You've got your rocket tude and your This

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<v Speaker 1>just makesic me think like some sort of nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 1>side scrolling video games. I'm going to write that, um

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<v Speaker 1>and you're over. You know what, you know what you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do, you know how to get it there? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You start having to think about all sorts of other stuff. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>so how much gravity? Uh does Mars have? How much

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the weight is there going to be once

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<v Speaker 1>this this rover gets there? How are you know how

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<v Speaker 1>much atmospheric interference is going to be there. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to plan how long it's gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>for you to shoot this thing into space and get

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<v Speaker 1>to Mars, and how it's going to stop when it

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<v Speaker 1>gets there. Oh, and then you have to take a

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<v Speaker 1>new account. If you know roughly how long it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take, where are the two planets going to be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to figure out when it's from there and go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be at their closest here, so we have

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<v Speaker 1>to launch it then to make that happen. Technically, you

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<v Speaker 1>even have to launch it before then because you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do what's called a transfer orbit. So so by

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<v Speaker 1>the let's let's say, let's say we've got to the point.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, it takes about two years for Earth

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<v Speaker 1>and Mars to line up so that they are at

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<v Speaker 1>their closest, and then it will take another two years

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<v Speaker 1>before they are at that same position relative to one another.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a two year gap between when uh, your

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<v Speaker 1>closest when you're not. And close is important because that

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<v Speaker 1>determines how much fuel you're going to need to get

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is you're sending to Mars. There, and fuel

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<v Speaker 1>is heavy because we depend on you know, uh, these

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<v Speaker 1>these chemical fuels that are you know, these solid chemical

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<v Speaker 1>fuels that that weigh a lot. They give off a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of energy and they are about as efficient as

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<v Speaker 1>we possibly can be with chemical uh fuel, But um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>their weight factors into the whole calculation. So you want

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<v Speaker 1>to use as as little fuel as possible to get

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<v Speaker 1>your your spacecraft to Mars to be as efficient as

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<v Speaker 1>you possibly can be. This is also why it's really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to talk about a manned mission to Mars. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that in a second. But um, so you

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<v Speaker 1>when you when Earth and Mars are closest together, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to launch at that point, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just point the rocket at Mars where Mars

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<v Speaker 1>is right now, because it is not gonna be there

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<v Speaker 1>by the time the spacecraft would have made its way

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<v Speaker 1>to that point. You know, both planets are still moving

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<v Speaker 1>around the Sun, so your spacecraft would be going to

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<v Speaker 1>where Mars used to be, not to wear Mars is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. So you actually have to planet out

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time to make sure you are being as

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<v Speaker 1>economic as possible with your fuel use. So yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>paraphrase the great one. You have to launch the rocket

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<v Speaker 1>at where the planet's going to be. Yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta shoot for where it will be, not for where

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<v Speaker 1>it is. So I'm sorry, go ahead, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say. So, essentially, there is a lot of thought

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<v Speaker 1>that has to go into this before you even build

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<v Speaker 1>the rocket, before you even build the rover. You really

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about what you need to do to

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<v Speaker 1>make it happen. And so you know, when you shoot

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<v Speaker 1>something at the Moon, the factors are lessened somewhat by

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<v Speaker 1>the distance and and the proximity of the moon. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you that the orbit and all those things

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<v Speaker 1>are are are lesser and the more complex a project gets,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the more factors you have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just that that's going to make it more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to reach Mars than it is to reach the Moon.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you were trying to reach Pluto, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the factors get even more difficult. I mean, Pluto's got

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<v Speaker 1>such an odd orbit anyway. So I mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, this isn't rockets. It is rocket science.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's complex, not brain surgery. So the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it takes about it takes about between seven and

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<v Speaker 1>eight months to get from Earth to Mars using the

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<v Speaker 1>methods that we have available to us today. There are

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<v Speaker 1>scientists who have suggested that we look into using a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear powered propulsion system in order to get from Earth

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<v Speaker 1>to Mars, which would significantly reduce the way of your

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle because you wouldn't have to have so much chemical

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<v Speaker 1>fuel aboard. But then there are other problems of course

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea of the nuclear propulsion system, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to use some sort of chemical propulsion to

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<v Speaker 1>get you off the the surface of the Earth into

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<v Speaker 1>low Earth orbit before you engage the nuclear propulsion system.

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<v Speaker 1>Having explosives next to a nuclear device makes people nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. There's also the possibility that people

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<v Speaker 1>have said of of building the spacecraft in lowerth orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would have space missions that would go out

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<v Speaker 1>build this craft and lower Earth orbit, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>solve the problem of having to escape Earth's gravity. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You engage the nuclear propulsion system then, and that also

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<v Speaker 1>gets around it. At any rate, so you've got about

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<v Speaker 1>seven to eight months to get to Mars, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're sending there and and the timing involved. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is and here's the reason why a manned mission

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<v Speaker 1>to Mars would be really, really cult Let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>we sent Let's say we we built the spacecraft that

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<v Speaker 1>that is capable of carrying a party of about six

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts to Mars. That tends to be about the number

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<v Speaker 1>of crew members that is considered ideal. UH. This comes

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<v Speaker 1>from NASA, and NASA says that ideal number is somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>reached by you want to have enough of mix of

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<v Speaker 1>people so that you can balance out any personality issues.

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<v Speaker 1>You also want to have enough so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>represent multiple nationalities because you have to have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of partnerships with other countries in order for these projects

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<v Speaker 1>to come through. So there's a political element to it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. UM. So, let's say we've built the ship

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<v Speaker 1>that could hold six people, UH, that can hold all

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<v Speaker 1>the supplies they would need to get to Mars and back.

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<v Speaker 1>It would still take thirty two months from the time

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<v Speaker 1>you launched to the time you touched down back on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth to do am Ours mission. And the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that is that because it takes seven to eight months,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, assuming that you're going for pure fuel economy. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>to limit the weight of your spacecraft takes seven to

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<v Speaker 1>eight months for you to get to Mars. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time you land on Mars, the Mars and the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer in that ideal situation where you can

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<v Speaker 1>easily get from one to the other. In fact, at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, by the time the Curiosity Rover landed on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of Mars, Mars was further away from the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth than the Earth was to the Sun. So by

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<v Speaker 1>the time you land, the Earth is further away from

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<v Speaker 1>you than the Sun would be if you were still

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. So you have to wait for that timing

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<v Speaker 1>to be right again so that you can launch from

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<v Speaker 1>Mars and get back to Earth. That takes almost two years,

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<v Speaker 1>so from the time you leave to the time you

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<v Speaker 1>get back thirty two months past, so that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very long mission, and that during that whole time

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<v Speaker 1>you would also have to be able to to not

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<v Speaker 1>only provide all the resources your astronauts would need to

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<v Speaker 1>stay alive on the surface of Mars, which not a

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<v Speaker 1>very friendly planet for us, not too terribly accommodating. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the worst, but it's not it's not the best either.

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<v Speaker 1>You would also have to figure out how to protect

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<v Speaker 1>them from things like radiation. The longer you're out in space,

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<v Speaker 1>the more likely you are to encounter various forms of

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<v Speaker 1>radiation that we are protected from here on Earth due

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<v Speaker 1>to factors like their's atmosphere and its magnetic field. So

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to figure out how do you protect the

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts from things like gamma radiation out in space so

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't turn into Incredible Hulk or cosmic race

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't come back as the Fantastic Six, because

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<v Speaker 1>there would be two more than the four. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>also thought you were going to point out that there

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<v Speaker 1>need to be enough people aboard so that when the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens do start bursting out of them that you know

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<v Speaker 1>there's somebody left at the end of Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have that dramatic person at the end so they

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<v Speaker 1>can come back and tell the story and and and

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<v Speaker 1>blame the corporation from the documentary Alien um the uh. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So there are there are a lot of factors that

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<v Speaker 1>make it really really hard for us to send a

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<v Speaker 1>manned mission to Mars, which is why the missions that

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<v Speaker 1>we've sent to Mars so far have been unmanned missions.

0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:18.240
<v Speaker 1>And uh even those have not had a great success rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Although again the United States success rate is significantly higher

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<v Speaker 1>than if you were to to think of the entire world, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>which is mainly the USSR or SO Union at the time,

0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.520
<v Speaker 1>UM now would be Russia and the various countries around Russia. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>The Japan also has attempted to send missions to Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was I think a European mission as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So the the first attempt to send a mission to Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>an unmanned mission to Mars was in nineteen sixty by

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union and it was called corrobl four KO R, A, B,

0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.800
<v Speaker 1>L and R in the in our alphabet. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>read Ceilic, so I couldn't tell you the other version.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, yeah, that was in nineteen sixty. It did

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<v Speaker 1>not even it didn't reach Earth orbit, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>a failure early on. It did not um even make

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<v Speaker 1>it into lower orbit, much less out into Mars. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw that one listed as Mars Nick Mars Nick

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<v Speaker 1>interest s n I k uh, so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>information I got was from NASA, So I was going

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<v Speaker 1>from an article and wired, so, yeah, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is from NASA. So they had to actually that went

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<v Speaker 1>around the same time. Corrabl four and five according to NASA,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure I had different names in the Wired article.

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<v Speaker 1>The first attempt by the United States was in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four with the Mariner three UM, which was it

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be a fly by mission. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is a spacecraft that's supposed to pass by Mars and

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<v Speaker 1>take photos as it goes by. Uh. That one was

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<v Speaker 1>also a failure. The the shroud failed to jettison, so

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<v Speaker 1>it did not make it to Mars. But shortly thereafter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariner four was a successful fly by mission and

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<v Speaker 1>it returned twenty one images of Mars to Earth. So UH,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States first attempt was a failure, but the

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<v Speaker 1>second attempt succeeded. UM. There were a lot of attempts

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<v Speaker 1>since then. UH. Some of them, many of them were flybys, UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them were meant to be orbit ters. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of launch failures, a lot of orbits that

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<v Speaker 1>were obtained, but then the device failed before it could

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<v Speaker 1>really retrieve a lot of information. The first success really

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<v Speaker 1>for the Soviet Union UM was the Mars five which

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<v Speaker 1>was in nineteen seventy three, and that was that returned

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<v Speaker 1>sixty images of the planet and it but it only

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<v Speaker 1>lasted nine days. Yeah, Mars to actually attempted to put

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<v Speaker 1>a lander on the surface, but not so much with

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<v Speaker 1>the success. Yeah, the orbiter actually arrived into the orbit

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<v Speaker 1>of Mars, but yeah, the lander did not did not

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<v Speaker 1>land successfully. One of the challenges again that I had

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<v Speaker 1>read about, especially with the recent coverage on curiosity again

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<v Speaker 1>recent as of the time or recording this um, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the the atmosphere of Mars is very very unlike

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<v Speaker 1>that of Earth. It's very thin. Yes, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about, uh, for example, the Space Shuttle

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<v Speaker 1>coming back in or the Mercury and gemin emissions. I

0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.639
<v Speaker 1>love doing that because Jonathan wins Is every time I

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<v Speaker 1>see geminy, some of the astronauts called it that though, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, using the heat sheet and coming in and

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<v Speaker 1>having the heat shield, you know, burning as it comes

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<v Speaker 1>through the Earth's atmosphere. Uh, Mars's atmosphere does not act

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<v Speaker 1>as a slower downer, not not as much. It does.

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<v Speaker 1>It does slow down the vehicle, but not as much yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I was going to say that, Okay, well you

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<v Speaker 1>said and as you said that, you said it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a slower downer. I went to correct, Well, not as

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, not as much as it

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<v Speaker 1>does here, and with gravity being so different there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Um it is those are our factors that the the

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.920
<v Speaker 1>scientists have to take into account. Um. I am not mistaken.

0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You know there have been times when we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>use a big cushiony bouncy ball to try to protect

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<v Speaker 1>something and it didn't work out to But we have

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<v Speaker 1>had rovers land using that approach. Um, it's an air

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<v Speaker 1>airbag approach is really what it isn't airbags? Uh? Well, yes,

0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the the atmosphere on Mars is thinner that it is

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, and it does not slow entry vehicles down

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<v Speaker 1>to the same extent as we would have here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to come up with other ways of

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<v Speaker 1>slowing your injury vehicle entry vehicle down, uh, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go boom on the surface of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And there have been a lot of different attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. So previous attempts involved using parachutes, which can

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.119
<v Speaker 1>slow you down a little bit, but even then the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is so thin that you're going uh. They for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the Curiosity rover deployed the largest supersonic parachute NASA has

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<v Speaker 1>ever built, which wayed I think a hundred pounds total

0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that was that was able to slow down the vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>to two miles per hour. Uh, And I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the kilometers per hour conversion. They're right in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I apologized for that. But anyway, even at that speed,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way the rover could land and maintain integrity.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have smashed to little, tiny pieces. So they

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<v Speaker 1>had to find another way of slowing down. Uh. There

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<v Speaker 1>are other elements literally on Mars that make this difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the potential things you could do is use

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<v Speaker 1>rockets to slow down your your entry vehicle. But the

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<v Speaker 1>closer you get to the surface of the planet, the

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<v Speaker 1>more those rockets are going to disturb the dust that's

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface. That dust can cause lots of problems.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have sensitive scientific equipment. This equipment might get

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<v Speaker 1>gummed up by dust. The dust could damage it so

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<v Speaker 1>that it's unusable, which means that you might land successfully,

0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.560
<v Speaker 1>but you can't actually retrieve any data because your instruments

0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.920
<v Speaker 1>are fouled by dust. Um The dust itself could also

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<v Speaker 1>be corrosive, so there's some real problems there. So you

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 1>have to figure out, well, if you can't just use rockets.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have to find some other balancing features so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can lower the rover itself onto the surface

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<v Speaker 1>without getting the rockets so close to the surface that

0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.040
<v Speaker 1>they start to disturb the dust about KOs peract of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two kilometers per hour, thank you so uh in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases the way that the rovers we have landed. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we we've also launched orbiters that just orbit Mars and

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<v Speaker 1>take uh scientific measurements from orbit. So we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>of those in orbit already. UM. In fact, we've got

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a couple that we launched not too long ago, we

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<v Speaker 1>being the United States. UM. The the there's the Mars

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<v Speaker 1>Reconnaissance Orbiter, which was launched in two thousand five and

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<v Speaker 1>uh it's already returned more than twenty six terra bits

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<v Speaker 1>of data about the planet. There's also the Odyssey Mars Odyssey,

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.400
<v Speaker 1>which was launched in two thousand one, UM, and both

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of those have contributed a lot to our scientific knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has aboarded a special camera called

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment or high RISE, and

0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.399
<v Speaker 1>the high Rise actually caught a great photo of the

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<v Speaker 1>Curia the rover as it was landing with the parachute deployed,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can actually see the parachute. You can see

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the capsule that contained the rover. You can if you

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>look really carefully, you can even see the heat shield

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that was jettisoned off the bottom of the rover. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about that whole procedure in just a minute. UM. So,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things you could do is you use

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<v Speaker 1>rockets to slow yourself down further from the parachute, so

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<v Speaker 1>the parachute gets you down to a certain speed, the

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<v Speaker 1>rockets can slow you down a little bit more. And

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<v Speaker 1>then as you get closer to the surface, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way of lowering the rover itself so

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<v Speaker 1>that the rockets don't disturb the dust too much. One

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing that is to lower the rover uh

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially drop it with all these air bags around it,

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.679
<v Speaker 1>which cushioned the blow, and it lands and then it

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<v Speaker 1>retrieves the air bags and or or emerges from the

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 1>air bags and continues on its mission. That's how the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller rovers um landed from the smaller ones being things

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<v Speaker 1>like the Spirit and the Opportunity, UH, the Phoenix Lander,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that used those sort of approaches because um,

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.919
<v Speaker 1>they were they were small enough where it wasn't that

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't as huge a challenge. With the Curiosity Rover,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a one ton vehicle, and at that size,

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<v Speaker 1>the size of the air bags you would need are

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<v Speaker 1>so huge that you would really run the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>even if everything worked properly, you would run the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of fouling the drive system of the Curiosity Rover because

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<v Speaker 1>it has to get out of this enormous air bag.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was considered too risky. Another approach is to

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<v Speaker 1>put uh these pretty much like stilts, like landing stilts,

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<v Speaker 1>so that when the the rockets lower the the descent

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>vehicle down, the the stilts touch ground and keep the

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>rockets at an elevation high enough so that they aren't

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing the dust too much, and then the rover can

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<v Speaker 1>dropped down from there. Again, with the Curiosity Rover, it

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.119
<v Speaker 1>was so large and heavy the stilts would have had

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<v Speaker 1>to have been way too tall to do this in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that would have been easy to do, and

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 1>also it would have really made it difficult to ensure

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that the Curiosity would be undamaged as it came down,

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So they had to come up with a different way

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to get the Curiosity rover onto the surface of Earth.

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And it was insane. A sky crane. Sky crane, Yeah,

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds that sounds like some kind of strange, other worldly company.

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 1>And so we'll walk you through how how this unfolded.

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's still incredible to me that this worked well.

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I think, um, and I don't mean this in any

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 1>way to be a slight to the scientists behind this.

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 1>I think they were a little astonished. Well, the reaction

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.639
<v Speaker 1>that we saw at the and as we learned that

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the Curiosity had in fact landed successfully. And by the way,

0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>by the time we knew that the Curiosity was succes

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>us full in its landing, it had been on the

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>surface of Mars for several minutes. Because again Mars is

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>further away at the point of the Curiosity landing from

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Earth than the Earth is to the Sun. It takes

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 1>it takes about eight minutes for light from the Sun

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>to get to Earth. It takes fourteen minutes for electromagnetic

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 1>communication to get from Mars to the Earth. Internet now

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteen minutes for that information to get to us. It

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 1>takes seven minutes from the time the landing capsule enters

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the Martian atmosphere to the point where curiosity would touch down.

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>That means there's a seven minute gap where things have

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>already happened and we do not know what they were. Yes,

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>so it was seven minutes of terror, which is I

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>think brilliant. There was a wonderful video NASA put out

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that was very dramatic, almost almost comedically so because it

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 1>was like it was like a thriller movie, right, But

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>it was all about the seven minutes of terror. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you have to build a vehicle that's operating

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>autonomously for for you know, there's nothing you can do.

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>You can't make any adjustments because it's going to take

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>fourteen minutes for that information to get to you, and

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>then any information you send back it's going to take

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>fourteen minutes for it to get there. So by the

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>time you send any sort of information, by the time

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you react to a changing condition, it doesn't matter. Things

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>have changed too much for that to have any effect. So, uh,

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the capsule enters the Martian atmosphere, there's seven minutes until

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>it touches down, and then seven more minutes before we

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 1>find out that anything about it. The first thing that

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>happens is the atmosphere starts to slow down the capsule,

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and like we said, it's a thin atmosphere, so it

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't slow down that much. It is, however, thick enough

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to cause lots of heat from friction. So it's it's

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 1>a double whammy for NASA, right breaks exactly all the

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 1>heat none of the break. So you have to build

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a device it's capable with standing the heat, but I

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>have to make you have to take into account the

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the atmosphere is not going to slow

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it down sufficiently enough for it to make a safe landing.

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>What a headache. So that's already tough capsule winners. The

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere starts to heat up, it has to have a

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>heat shield to protect the innerds because electronics don't react

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>well to heat. Said that a billion times, uh not literally.

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>And then the once it reaches a certain altitude, uh,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>it deploys the parachute, which slows down the the vehicle

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>even more. And so it started to slow down once

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it hits the atmosphere. Actually takes a little while before

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 1>it starts to slow down, but it does slow down

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>hitting the atmosphere, the parachute slows it down further. Once

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it slows down as much as it possibly can with

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the parachute. It jettison the parachute, which is important because

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>then it activates rockets. So if it activated the rockets first,

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>then there's the danger of actually colliding with the parachute

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and fouling the whole system. So jettison's the parachute. Parachute

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>flies off, and then the rockets make a horizontal adjustment

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>so that the descent vehicle is not going to be

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>in the same path as the parachute. UH, it ejects

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the it detaches the the heat shield as well. Actually

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that even detaches while the parachutes deployed. UH.

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>And there are sensors on the bottom of the rover

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 1>which can help guide the whole system so it lands

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>in the best spot. Now, they were aiming for the

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Gael Crater, which is was a it's a crater that

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>was created on Mars about three billion years ago with

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a meteor impact, so they wanted to land the rover

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>in there. So the the sensors on the bottom of

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the rover detect where the right landing area is, the

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>rockets position it properly and start the descent, continuing to

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>slow that that the scent so that you're not plummeting

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to the surface. At about twenty meters above the surface

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>of the planet, the rover descends on a on a

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>set of cables from a crane that's in that descent vehicle.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>So you've got a crane essentially mounted on rockets lowering

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a one ton vehicle. The cables I think we're about

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>seven ms long, and so it would then the rockets

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>would then slowly allowed this entire thing to descend until

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the wheels of the rover made contact with the Martian soil.

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>At that point, the bridles holding the cables to the

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>rover were jettisoned, and then the the the descent vehicle

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>with the rockets would then launch itself about four away

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to crash on the surface of the planet so that

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>it would not um cause any problems to the rover

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because you don't want to tell just we've gently set

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the rover down. Oh, and then our descent vehicle landed

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>on our rover. That's a bummer. That would have been

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. So the descent vehicle went about four

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>away and crash landed. Uh, and the rover was safe

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. And we found out about it seven

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 1>minutes after it happened, and everyone did a little dance

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and cheered and jumped and hugged each other. I don't

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>think they did a little dance. I think they did

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a big dance. They did do a big dance. And

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>there are gifts out there that show this that were

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>very very popular. As soon I mean like seconds after

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the footage at the Internet, there were already memes about it. Yeah. Yeah, well, Um,

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I think they were a little surprised,

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>but in a in a positive way, like they came

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>up with an excellent solution, but without ever you know,

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>trying it in practice. Um, you know it on Mars.

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>They weren't certain, especially with their past success rate, whether

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it would work for sure or not, or would it

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>deliver the rover in excellent condition, which it did, so

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>they were they were very very happy out about that.

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's something that you can't really test here

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>on Earth because the conditions here on Earth are so

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>different from on Mars that even if you were to

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>build something that works well on on here on our planet,

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you cannot be certain that the same thing is going

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to apply on Mars, because the conditions are too different. Yeah,

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>so you know it wasn't just engineered well on paper,

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>it actually in practice did did very very well. And

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>there's quite a lot of equipment on on Curiosity as well.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's seventeen cameras alone, uh and most most

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>of those are navigational and hazard cameras, but there is

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a mast. Uh. You know what my favorite piece of

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>equipment aboard the Curiosity is, or do I have to

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>ask what? What? What is your favorite piece of equipment?

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a lady which the laser is used to concentrate

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a very focused beam of of light on rocks in

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the Martian soil. And uh, they does listen very very

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>short bursts, like five nano second long bursts, and after

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>about seventy bursts of this high powered intense laser, it

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>starts to a blate or evaporate the rock that it's

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>focused on. And then what happens is a special camera

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>actually three different cameras will get information from our three

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>different sensors will get information from a telescopic camera that

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>will analyze the plasma this rock gives off. And by

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>analyzing the plasma through UH spectroscopes, they can determine what

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>chemical elements made up the rock itself. So essentially what

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you're doing is you're burning something. Looking at burning is

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>an oversimplification, but you're burning something looking at the fumes

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>it gives off, and based upon those you determine what

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the stuff is made of. The reason for this is

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>one so we can learn more about the composition of Mars,

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but to also look for things that could be foundational

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>building blocks to support life. Now, curiosity is not looking

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>for evidence of life itself. It is not looking for

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>microscopic life because it doesn't have any equipment aboard the

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>rover itself capable of seeing things at that resolution. So

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not looking for evidence of microscopic life that's currently

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>there on Mars. It's really looking for all the elements

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that would need to be in place for life to

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>have at least one at one time been supported on Mars. That, however,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>has not stopped all the other memes that have gone

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>around where there have been pictures circulated from curiosity, and

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of course uh these pictures of curiosities. Uh. From Curiosity's

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>point of view, across the surface of Mars is it's

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>big and flat. However, dust so far, the life forms

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I have seen superimposed over that landscape on social media

0:33:56.520 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>include Marvin the Martian from Q thirty two, Spaced Tour

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>from uh uh, the Looney Tunes cartoons, uh, the Muppets

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>from uh that that that go yep yep, yep, yep,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>yep yep. And I did see a couple of days

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>ago some adapts walking across the surface. So the Empire

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>is apparently they're already um, very very amazing terrain attack

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>transports or something like that. That's what it means. Yes, yes,

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>so from Star Wars UM documentary Star Wars. But but yeah,

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they there are several different cameras. They're they're taking photos

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>three d um so the James Cameron contingent is there

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>black and white, colorful. The avatars are running around of

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>there yep yep. Um. So basically they're they're doing all

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>kinds of uh of imaging and analysis of the planet's surface.

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Um and you know there it's it's pretty awesome to

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>be able to do this kind of work. This is, uh,

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>this is an evolutionary step from what the previous rovers

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>we've sent up there, like Phoenix and Spirit and Opportunity,

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>where they were all very much geologic uh, instruments, geological instruments,

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 1>really studying the geological formation of Mars and it's geological features.

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Now the Curiosity is more of like a fully fledged

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>scientific laboratory that is on wheels. It moves very very slowly. Uh,

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>it's got but it's got a lot of sophisticated equipment.

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, it has that mast that projects above

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the rover itself self gun arm Um. You mentioned the

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>chem cam, which is the laser. It's got a chemistry

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and mineralogy experiment or instrument called kemen. They remember we

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about the different parts of the Space Shuttle group.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>They love love love acronyms. So the chemin instrument looks

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>at minerals to identify why whether water could have been there.

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Then there's the rover Environmental Environmental Monitoring Station or MS,

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>which will give you the weather report. Yes it's not

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>raining again. Uh. There there's so much aboard and um.

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:20.919
<v Speaker 1>One of the other things I think has been really

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>remarkable about the past few missions to Mars is NASA's

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>ability to communicate this information in a way that is

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 1>really exciting to people who otherwise might not really have

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>cared that much. The space exploration history in the in

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the entire world has really gone through sort of a

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>roller coaster of as far as the public interest is concerned, right,

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>because you had the space race for the Moon, which

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>was politically motivated, I mean that was that was really

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>all uh yuled not literally but metaphorically by the political

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>opposition of the United States and the Soviet Union. And

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>so once we landed men on the Moon and got

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>them back safely, uh, the political uh motivation to push

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.320
<v Speaker 1>people out into space really diminished, which is part of

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>the reason why we didn't start immediately looking at Mars

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>as being the next step, because a lot of the

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 1>excitement and enthusiasm and funding had gone away because we

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>already achieved this other amazing and insanely amazing goal of

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>landing people on the Moon. Um. Then, like we had

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the Space Shuttle era, which started off with incredible interest.

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was this amazing program, but then Shuttle mission.

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 1>After Shuttle mission, people started to think of it more

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>as something that just happens and less as something amazing

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>and special because it was you know, it just seemed like, oh, yeah,

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>another Shellow mission that's going up, which is when you

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>think about it, that's a crazy crazy thing to just

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 1>take for granted because the amount of work it takes

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to get people into space is phenomenal. But it did happen. Uh,

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 1>once we started sending missions to Mars and have them

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>be a success, you know, there were science fans who

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>really thought was interesting, but the general public, I don't

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>know that necessarily cut their attention. I think what really

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>turned things around was when NASA started to leverage social

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>media and began to use social media to to communicate

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>scientific facts, figures, discoveries to the general public. That got

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>people excited, and beyond that, they began to give almost

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a personality to some of the equipment they sent out.

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>That's that's funny. I don't know if Jonathan heard this.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>This morning, UM, as I was driving to the train

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>station to come in for this podcast, I was listening

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to National Public Radio NPR here in the United States

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and there was an interview UM with Veronica McGregor now

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Veronica McGregor. She was the person who was in charge

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of updating a Twitter account for the Phoenix Mars Rover,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and the Phoenix Mars Rover ended up getting an enormous

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>number of fans following it and it was able to know.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Through the Phoenix Twitter feed, NASA was able to communicate

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of interesting scientific information, but Veronica went a

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>little step further and gave the Phoenix sort of again

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a personality. And I'll never forget I mean, I remember

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 1>I followed the Phoenix rover and it was truly an

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>emotional moment when the second to last tweet that Phoenix

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>sent out during its official mission was It's very unlikely

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll wake up next spring, but if I do, I'll

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>call home. Good luck with your project. And people thought

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:09.399
<v Speaker 1>about that, like, there's this little robot all alone, not

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 1>really all alone. There are other robots on Mars too,

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but they're really far away. So more or less, there's

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>this little robot all alone on the surface of this planet, uh,

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, miles and miles and miles away from Earth,

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>and it is doing science for us, and it's doing

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>it selflessly, and it's about to die because it's solar

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>circuits aren't going to get enough juice to keep it going.

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 1>And there's and by the time it comes out of

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that that essentially Martian Winter, for lack of a better term,

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>by the time it comes out, it will not be

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>able to reboot it system and it will be a

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>dead piece of technology. It impacted people, I mean people

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>got teary eyed over the idea because they yeah, people

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>had had humanized this inanimate well animated but on a

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 1>live object and has no actual feelings or personality. But

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Veronica had really uh imbued this thing with that kind

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of sense of purpose and and personality that people identified with.

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And it made a powerful statement. And I think people

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>connected to the space mission in a way they hadn't

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in many years. And NASA has continued that trend. And

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 1>uh the last Twitter post it posted was all in

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>binary and it's spelled out triumph ah making a note

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>here huge success. Well, they talked to Veronica McGregor this morning.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 1>She is the social media manager UM and is at

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>it again. There there's a team of three women who,

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.720
<v Speaker 1>according to NPR, who work on the Curiosity rovers Twitter

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>account UM, which has according to this uh UM Chicago Tribune,

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't remember Veronica's last name, so I looked it

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 1>up and and this article posted earlier today. As of

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>right now, more than eight hundred thousand followers UM already

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>for Curiosity, so they will be following through the mission

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>just in case. You're curious. According to Veronica McGregor, the

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Curiosity as as she and has a female, she said.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>According to them, they had sort of talked about it

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and they feel they get this feeling that it's a her.

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, you go, girl, it's interesting. But well,

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 1>if if you put yourself in the shoes of someone

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 1>who is talking about this, um, you know you you

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of have to make a personality as you're building

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>your personality, like, you know what, I think, I think

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a woman, but I do. I do remember listening

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to or watching videos of the engineers talk about the

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Curiosity and they referred to the entire vehicle as a she,

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>which at the time I didn't think unusual because I

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>like the votes ships not boats. Well, some boats I

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>think of I think of ships were hurricanes, Um, the Enterprise, Yeah,

0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 1>the Star Trek, that's as she. Well, people have talked

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 1>about the expense of the mission, and I'm sure there

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>were people who are going, why on Earth or Mars

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>do you care if it's a male or a female?

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Were over All these things personalize it somewhat, and they

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>do make it more accessible to us, and they also

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 1>get us inspired to to try new things, to find

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>ways to grow better crops or pure diseases, or launch

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>the next mission to space. They make us want to

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 1>try something that we haven't been able to do before,

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's valuable. The the effects that come out of

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this are across so many different disciplines. So not only

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>one we're learning about Mars. Two, we're learning more about

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 1>our solar system. Three, we're learning more about the Earth

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>as we learn what things are similar versus dissimilar between

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Mars and Earth. And and go ahead. Four We're inspiring

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>future generations of scientists and engineers because this is genuinely

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>exciting and people, little kids will think that is amazing.

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Look at what can be accomplished. I want to do that.

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And and five you're promoting science in general to the

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>general public. And again, you know, promoting science, I think

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.839
<v Speaker 1>it's an incredibly important thing. It's not the easiest thing

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 1>in the world to do, especially you know, some scientists

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>are so focused on their field they may not be

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the best at communicating that that passion and enthusiasm to

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the general public. Even though they possess it themselves, they

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>might not be able to communicate it effectively. So bridging

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that gap is really important so that the public understands

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>why this is important and gets excited. It also helps

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>with funding. Um it might inspire the next private company

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to try and go into something that they wouldn't have

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>done before. So yeah, the the this is really a

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.879
<v Speaker 1>true domino effect, right, I mean, it's amazing the sort

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>of stuff that can come out of a mission like

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>this that may not even be obvious at first glance. Yep.

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And eventually we're gonna have to get off this rock.

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, and we should mention also, NASA currently only

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>has one other Mars mission planned, which is a launch

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>in the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution um SO or

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>MAVEN his name of that, And don't they have a

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>creative acronym for that? Would Who would have thunk it?

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Maven's purpose is to study the atmosphere of Mars. So again,

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 1>the rovers we are sending are mostly looking at the

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 1>composition of the soil and the geological formations that are

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 1>on Mars and to really look at the various layers

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that some One of the reasons why we landed uh

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the curiosity and a crater is because it can look

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.720
<v Speaker 1>at different layers on the surface of Mars and see

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>how it's how it has changed over time. But this

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 1>will be more to look at the atmosphere. We do

0:45:56.360 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>not have any manned missions to Mars planned, at least

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>not NASA UM and there are other nations in the

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>world that are also planning missions to Mars. NASA has

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 1>only got the one and then after that, who knows. UM.

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't have any planned missions to Mars. There are

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>some companies. There are some companies that have talked about it, uh,

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and some of the plans are kind of insane. But

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>if you really want to hear a pretty crazy idea

0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 1>about landing on Mars, my favorite is the first one

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that I could come across, the first published UM plan

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 1>or calculation of what it would take to to send

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>a manned mission to Mars, and it comes from Verna

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Magnus Maximilian Friar von Brown or Verna von Brown, as

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.959
<v Speaker 1>most people would know, who was a rocket scientist. Rocket

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>scientists during World War Two built rockets for the Germans.

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>After the end of World War Two, the United States

0:46:56.560 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>UM essentially took him and put him to work for

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the US rocket program. UH. It was that's a political

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>story that is fascinating and you should all write to

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff you missed in history class to talk about that. Actually,

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that'd be a fascin fascinating podcast. But anyway, Van Brown

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 1>first made rockets for the Germans and then began to

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>make rockets for the United States. And one of the

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 1>things he thought of back in nineteen was what it

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.799
<v Speaker 1>would take to send a manned mission to Mars. It

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't published till nineteen fifty two, eventually became an appendix

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>in a novel he wrote, which was a fictional account

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of what that mission would be like. The novel, from

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>what I understand, is not um terribly good. I did

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>not publish until two thousand and six. But anyway, in

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 1>his in his version, it was going to be a

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>ten spacecraft mission where these ten spacecrafts would carry about

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy crew members total, and the spacecraft would go into

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>orbit around Rs and then the mission the the ground

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>mission crews would detach from the orbiting UM spacecraft in

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>winged vehicles that had skis at the bottom of them

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and would land at the polar caps on Mars. The

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>thought being that the polar caps would be flat and

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 1>so that would be the best place to land. Then

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>they would take Mars crawlers to the equator on Mars,

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 1>which would take about eighty days I think, and then

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>build base camp there and then would come back to

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Earth when the those orbits would line up properly again.

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>So that was his idea. UM didn't happen. It was.

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>It was an incredibly um uh. I don't know difficult

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I have difficult project. I mean it would have. It

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>would have been much harder than anything else we have

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>attempted so far. So but that that was my favorite

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>of the proposed Martian expeditions, although there are some other

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>ones there's been There was one that was more like

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a reality television show, um which was a private endeavor

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and I won't go into it, but it did sound

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy. So there have been some interesting proposals for

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>trips to Mars. Mostly it looks like for the foreseeable

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>future it's going to be unmanned missions from most of

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the world unless some crazy person with lots of money

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>gets behind it and and and does what we think

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>is think of as the impossible, which after the curiosity

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>were overlanding, I'm not sure my my definition of the

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>impossible needs to be adjusted. It was certainly not a

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>mission impossible, that's true. So yeah, they I mean, I'm excited.

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what other news. It's

0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's funny now that we're again, as it the recording

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.720
<v Speaker 1>of this podcast sort of coming down from the excitement

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>of act we're landing there. Now, it's going to be

0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>fun to see what what they learned. And we've already

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>seen some pretty incredible stuff, like we saw there's there's

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 1>video of the landing from the bottom of the rover,

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're all these great shots that have already

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>come back, and this is just the beginning, and of

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 1>course by the time this podcast comes out, I'm sure

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll have much more information. I really look forward to

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 1>seeing what Curiosity digs up. Well, the video has already

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>been so much better quality. Yeah, that that it will

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 1>be at least inspiring for those of us who are

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>just sort of following peripherally rather than you know, um,

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the scientists who are really looking for stuff. I think

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it'll be uh be interesting to the rest of the

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:45.440
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