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Speaker 1: CAO Zone media.

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Speaker 2: Since October seventh, Israel has killed tens of thousands of

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Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians, many of them children. All over the world,

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Speaker 2: people have taken to the streets to call for an

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Speaker 2: end to the killing, to show solidarity with the people

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Speaker 2: of Palestine amidst their genocide. This is an unprecedented act

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Speaker 2: of solidarity, but it's also been a long time coming,

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Speaker 2: and we wanted to know how it made Ahmed and

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Speaker 2: Abdolah feel.

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Speaker 3: I walk in the straights here in Sweden and they

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Speaker 3: see the people wearing the kofeya, the Palestinian kofeya, and

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Speaker 3: it's something that made me feel for sure happy and

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Speaker 3: to see that the people start to be aware of

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Speaker 3: what's going on in Palestina and Gaza, start to understand

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Speaker 3: that we have occupation, that we that finally you need

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Speaker 3: to look in our codes and solve it. This is ballistine,

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Speaker 3: this is Balestinians, that they need their freedom, they need

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Speaker 3: to live as any other person or on this earth.

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Speaker 3: And to see the support of the people, it's the

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Speaker 3: most important for us to to live. It give us

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Speaker 3: a sense of freedom while we are not free yet,

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Speaker 3: just make us, give us hope that something will happen

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Speaker 3: in the future.

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Speaker 4: Hm.

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Speaker 3: It's because it's a story of oppressed people who have

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Speaker 3: been suffering, suffering for years. And I guess these people

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Speaker 3: need attention, need the more effort of the people so

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Speaker 3: they can get their freedom as as they have when

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Speaker 3: they have done about the Black lives matters. And it's

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Speaker 3: also it should it should come from the people. That's

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Speaker 3: how the world get affected. If the people go against

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Speaker 3: their governments, against the the decisions of their leaders, that's

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Speaker 3: what gonna change the public opinion, the leader's opinion.

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Speaker 5: Also, I wanted to ask about, like people want to

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Speaker 5: help now more than I think they ever have in

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Speaker 5: this country. People are aware, people who weren't aware before,

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Speaker 5: People who couldn't have told you, like where like Palestine

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Speaker 5: was in relation to the map, Maybe now want to help.

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Speaker 5: And that's cool, that's great. Like I think obviously people

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Speaker 5: have a lot of learning to do because this isn't

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Speaker 5: an issue that's been very well covered by the media

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Speaker 5: in the US for decades. Right. The media in this

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Speaker 5: country has also dedicated itself to dehumanizing Muslim people for

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Speaker 5: a very long time, but extensively over the last twenty years. So,

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Speaker 5: like two things that come out of that. I want

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Speaker 5: to ask, like, if people want to help where they

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Speaker 5: have money, that tend to be the easiest way to

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Speaker 5: make a difference, right, But you've told me before a

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Speaker 5: lot of the angios, your parents, your families end up

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Speaker 5: buying the food they get donated. So is there an

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Speaker 5: angio that is better? And then like what can people

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Speaker 5: do to learn? I guess like to learn more. I

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Speaker 5: mean either from you guys or thinks or books or

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Speaker 5: films that you think are good.

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Speaker 3: I mean the all the companies or the organizations that

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Speaker 3: works in US are Yeah, for sure, they're trying their best.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, as you have seen that most of the

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Speaker 3: trucks are standing outside Rapa crossing and they are just

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Speaker 3: allowing two hundred trucks a day for two million people

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Speaker 3: who are hungry are suffering. So yeah, for sure, like

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Speaker 3: the food is not enough, and when someone wants to

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Speaker 3: get this food, he have to or he or they

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Speaker 3: have to buy the food. And it's more than ten

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Speaker 3: times more expensive than what it was before, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: it reaches even more and even the vegetables, it's like

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Speaker 3: higher than the price is here in Europe. Imagine like

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Speaker 3: a country under a war no wark, no jobs. Everything

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Speaker 3: because the stuff is very limited and the food is

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Speaker 3: limited and everything is limited. So for sure, like people

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Speaker 3: want to sell the stuff that they have so they

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Speaker 3: can earn money so they can buy another stuff. And

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Speaker 3: that's how the people are doing in Gaza. So if

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Speaker 3: they get something maybe for free, which is very rare

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Speaker 3: that it happened because it's too many people. For example,

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Speaker 3: my family are buying the food, and I know how

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Speaker 3: it is for them that it is hard for them

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Speaker 3: to get the stuff that they even need because all

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Speaker 3: what they have is food that is backed in cans,

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Speaker 3: beans mostly beans actually, and that's what they have everything.

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Speaker 3: They tell me, we have been eating beans or a

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Speaker 3: lot of these and pasta and they buy this stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's not that it's for free. Sometimes every other month,

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Speaker 3: every other two months to get a bag of flours

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Speaker 2: And it's not just food aid that can be hard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is starvation for the people. People are really

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Speaker 3: like suffering from that and I cannot imagine how is

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Speaker 3: hard these times. They even send my family money because

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Speaker 3: of how like most of the offices are closed that

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Speaker 3: can that can receive money from outside Gaza. So it's

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Speaker 3: most of the offices are very busy that they have

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Speaker 3: to stand in a queue for more than ten hours,

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Speaker 3: five hours sometimes and in the end they tell them, oh,

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Speaker 3: we're sorry, we are out of cash, and that's what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and the imagine like the same money going and coming back.

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Speaker 3: So it's sometimes there is nothing in the banks, there

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Speaker 3: is nothing in the offices that is exchanging and receiving

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Speaker 3: money from outside. Like Western Union is not working anymore,

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Speaker 3: Money Gram is not working, and now the people are

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Speaker 3: using something like a crypto coin like usd T and

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Speaker 3: you know, to send one hundred dollars for example, they

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Speaker 3: take like more than fifteen percent of that and then

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Speaker 3: in the same time you also have to pay another

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Speaker 3: ten percent or five percent for sending because the USDT

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Speaker 3: is not equal with the USD because in the corrective

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Speaker 3: coin it's more expensive, so you need to pay more

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Speaker 3: dollars to get USDT and then there they receive it

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Speaker 3: as a dollar. So yeah, to support I suggest if

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Speaker 3: anyone wants to support or have the money that wants

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Speaker 3: support a family or people in Gaza. The only thing

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Speaker 3: is to actually contact the family that they want to

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Speaker 3: support directly, because yeah, the all the support that goes

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Speaker 3: through the organizations, the international organizations takes very long time

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Speaker 3: and in the end it treches Gaza and it's not

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Speaker 3: enough for the people, and then the will have to

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Speaker 3: buy it. It's not that Ghaza for free.

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Speaker 2: Although millions of people are trapped in Gaza right now,

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Speaker 2: we also know that some Gazans have been able to leave.

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Speaker 2: We've seen fundraisers pop up for people trying to get

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Speaker 2: themselves or their families out of Gaza. We asked Ahmed

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Speaker 2: would cost to leave Gaza right now.

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Speaker 3: But then imagine Egyptians government are charging five thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: for each truck entering Gaza, and they're charging every person

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars to leave from Gaza. So it's something

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Speaker 3: else to help with. If you want to help someone

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Speaker 3: something like that. I can say. I mean, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: see any better future. In Gaza at the moment. Imagine

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Speaker 3: like this, what happened to Gaza will need at least

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Speaker 3: more than ten years to recover. All the schools are destroyed,

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Speaker 3: all the houses. Our home is bombed, you know, to

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Speaker 3: rebuild a home. It's not just about rebuilding a home.

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Speaker 5: Even if the bombing stopped today, the crisis woulden. Almost

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Speaker 5: all of Gaza's infrastructure. It's hospitals, universities, schools, and streets

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Speaker 5: has been destroyed. There's nothing left in Gaza. There's nowhere

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Speaker 5: to go if you're sick. There's nowhere to buy food

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Speaker 5: or clothes for your children. There's nowhere to buy the

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Speaker 5: materials to fix your bombed house. Given all of this,

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Speaker 5: it's hard to see a future for people there, which

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Speaker 5: isn't very difficult. So we asked Abdolah, not made about rebuilding.

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Speaker 3: You need to rebuild everything. You know, where will the

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Speaker 3: water go, Where will the water come from? The electricity?

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Speaker 3: Everything is bombed. You know, you need to build a

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Speaker 3: at least at least ten years. It's much much more.

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Speaker 3: And the affection of it on the Bible themselves also

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Speaker 3: what they have suffered what they have, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: going to take them a long time to heal. So

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Speaker 3: I think I did not want to take a step

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Speaker 3: end my people who follow me to if they want

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Speaker 3: to support the people and if they want to support

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Speaker 3: any member of my family to get out of Gaza,

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Speaker 3: because I don't see it any better and I'm not

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Speaker 3: ready to lose any of my family. And yeah, I imagine,

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Speaker 3: like I have a brother who's twelve years old the moment,

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Speaker 3: And what about these kids, what will they do if

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Speaker 3: they stay in Gaza? And you can apply that on

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Speaker 3: his brother's kids. So yeah, that's the best is I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but most many, many people want to really

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Speaker 3: about what happened to Gaza. It will take years and

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Speaker 3: it's my family is future, and they don't know for

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Speaker 3: how long it will take to fix this future. If

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Speaker 3: Israel inter Rafa, that will be just yeah, the huge

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Speaker 3: is disaster that would ever happen on earth. That imagine

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Speaker 3: thirty six thousand people killed and that's the one that

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Speaker 3: is confirmed on the list that they found, but you know,

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Speaker 3: thousands under the rabble that they cannot get out and

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Speaker 3: many missings, so it can be it could reach to

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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand together with the injured people, and that's

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Speaker 3: not a small number. And imagine if the enter to

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Speaker 3: be able to stop them, they say, and they would

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Speaker 3: do it even without the support of anyone, without the

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Speaker 3: criminals they are. I can say that they want just

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Speaker 3: to slaughter all the people in Gaza. They don't care

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Speaker 3: about civilian or not civilian. Yeah, I want to do

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Speaker 3: my best to help my family, and they see I

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Speaker 3: have to to take them to a several place and

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's possible of this day in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Like anyone else, Armed and Abdullah want their families to

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Speaker 5: be safe. But because they were born in Palestine, they

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Speaker 5: don't have the privilege of not having to constantly worry

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Speaker 5: about their families safety. They also don't get to be

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Speaker 5: the ones making choices to impact their safety. Instead, these

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Speaker 5: choices are made by other people. Those people don't know

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Speaker 5: are mad n Abdullah or their families. They might be IDF,

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Speaker 5: their own operators, or US diplomats. To those people, their

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Speaker 5: families are just numbers, but are made and Abdullah, their

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Speaker 3: How it works to get people out of Gaza is

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Speaker 3: like you have to send someone in Egypt to pay

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Speaker 3: for the government in Egypt. So they bought their names

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Speaker 3: in the list of Rava borders they can travel. That's

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Speaker 2: Albilla told us that his family is similar to Ahmeds,

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Speaker 3: You know, at the beginning I was I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you, both of you guys, sharing your

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Speaker 2: great point about how even if you can't support financially,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a bleacher a bleisure to talk

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Speaker 3: women innocent. More than fifteen thousand children have been killed

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Speaker 5: Guys, Where can people if they want to follow along,

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Speaker 3: Yo can find me on my instagram at Arghaza although.

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Speaker 4: This week that's my accounting Instagram. As Ahmad was saying,

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you man, Thank you Beth.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, it's me James. I hope you found those enlightening.

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Speaker 5: He's raising funds for his family who are still trapped

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