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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Who would have thought if I said Breeze Brady,

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Speaker 1: told you Cam and Joe Flacco once had an epic

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Speaker 1: Monday Night showdown, you might believe it because they've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of success in their career, as Newton was

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Speaker 1: an MVP, Flacco's Super Bowl MVP. The thing you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: believe is the year that that game took place twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: because neither quarterback was doing anything that would make you

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Speaker 1: was great, ran for a couple of touchdowns, through for

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Speaker 1: two seventy four, Patriots pick up the win. Flacco through

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Speaker 1: for three touchdowns, a throwback performance for New York. And

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Speaker 1: if you're a jetsman, you're probably saying, we want to

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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots. We don't want to beat the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: They now are oh and nine and hold onto the

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Speaker 1: top spot in the draft. Meanwhile, New England improves to

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Speaker 1: three and five they can get back into the playoff hunt.

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Speaker 1: It was a surprising game with the result that could

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Speaker 1: have much bigger implications down the road. When you factor

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Speaker 1: in the number one pick overall, and the Jets look

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Speaker 1: good early. New England is an average team. I think

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Speaker 1: this year. I don't have them making the playoffs. Nothing

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Speaker 1: last night convinced me otherwise. They got the Ravens coming

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Speaker 1: up their next game, and that doesn't mean they can't

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Speaker 1: beat them. They host the Ravens, but it feels like

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Speaker 1: team there. There's a possibility that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: expanding the playoffs this year. Don't know now. This is

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Speaker 1: if you have a meaningful game that is canceled, that

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Speaker 1: they will enact the new playoffs structure, and that would

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Speaker 1: be a sixteen playoff team contingency plan. Baseball did this.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is going to do this if a team

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Speaker 1: or teams are unable to play all of their regulars

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Speaker 1: season games. The plan is to expand the number of

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Speaker 1: teams that would make the playoffs from each conference from

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Speaker 1: seven to eight. That allows for a seeded bracket that

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Speaker 1: replaces the traditional format. Each division winner will make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Four additional teams with the best record in their conferences

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Speaker 1: also make the playoffs. Ties will be broken using at

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Speaker 1: least ten different metrics. There, head to head conference winning

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Speaker 1: percentage strength the schedule. Once the playoff teams are decided,

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Speaker 1: winning the division ceases to matter. Each conference will seed

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Speaker 1: their teams by winning percentage. So instead of a normal

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Speaker 1: wildcard round, in a first round by for the top team,

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Speaker 1: all teams will play each other using a bracket format. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be voted on today. NFL owners

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Speaker 1: will vote today to approve what is called a COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen contingency playoff plan. Kind of sneaky. You're like, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, I didn't know anything about this. They just

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Speaker 1: added a seventh team in the AFC. In the NFC,

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Speaker 1: now we're going to eight. Now we may have a

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Speaker 1: seeded format here, and I do think this might be

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Speaker 1: the future of the NFL when it comes to expanding

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Speaker 1: playoffs and having the seated brackets there. There's more money there,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a real distinct possibility. Patriots come

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Speaker 1: back beat the Jets thirty to twenty seven, and if

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Speaker 1: I think we showed that we can play. We can

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Speaker 1: be competitive, but I don't want to win. I'll I'll

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Speaker 1: take the label. I'll take then sixteen label. I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: to have two wins. That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: help us. We're either going to be really good at

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Speaker 1: five hundred team. In a five hundred team, I gets

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Speaker 1: you into the playoffs, anything else, You're in no man's land.

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Speaker 1: in no man's land. Are you getting better? Are you

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Speaker 1: to know. I'm gonna guess, and I don't know Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: But then do you want to be a Jaguar, that

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Speaker 1: and you could watch your future unfold right before your

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Speaker 1: very eyes. Imagine that, no matter what you do for

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play there. But if I'm Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: I love me some Cam Newton. Today, after a couple

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Speaker 1: it's jetson. Like I don't. It's not a word, but

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Speaker 1: last night you saw that this is a team that

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Speaker 1: gets dominated. In the second half of games this year,

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Speaker 1: out scored forty six to seven. In the last three

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Speaker 1: game second half, ELT gained seven fifty five to one

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Speaker 1: All right, mclevan, what kind of pull question do you have? Well,

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Speaker 1: we have all kinds of poll questions, but on this

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Speaker 1: like if you look at tankathon dot com that the

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Speaker 1: Jets and the Jaguars, one of those two teams you

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Speaker 1: can get the number one pick. Yeah, So which one

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Speaker 1: does Trevor want to go to? If you have those

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Speaker 1: If I'm him, do I want the challenge of New York?

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Speaker 1: The Jags will have a new head coach. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: there if Eric b enemy and he's going to have

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Speaker 1: And those are some big question marks there, and I

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Speaker 1: And it's not that the players are tanking, because people

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Speaker 1: always get this wrong and they misinterpret what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco was trying as if that was the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how much better Joe can be.

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Speaker 1: And look, he made some mistakes there in the second half.

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Speaker 1: in the final drive there just felt that way. The

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Speaker 1: a Patriot or a Patriot fan there. What else do

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Speaker 1: you have Inclovin, Okay? On that Jets topic, another pre

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Speaker 1: So I'll give you a win. But you don't know

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long that stays with you. You know,

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Speaker 1: how long does that stay? You know, the Jets wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it's worse going one in fifteen and not getting Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: we got Trevor Lawrence. Okay, if I put Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: That's why when you go to a team and these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who go high, go up early, you're going to

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Speaker 1: a bad team. I think Justin Herbert has a better

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Speaker 1: have stars, they just can't stay healthy. And because of that,

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Speaker 1: he might be more competitive. Sooner they keep blowing fourth

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Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in the game, most valuable quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, mcclub, you're going full system here. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about having weapons. I'm talking about having an

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Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. By the way, I said I was

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Speaker 1: lost season for them. But like like UCLA does not

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Speaker 1: they're not going to spend on football, like like we've

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Speaker 1: heard that a million times. I know that, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know that Cal is not going to do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve should decide what it wants to be then.

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Speaker 1: I mean Stanford's had both, they've had success academic standards.

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Speaker 1: I mean it works. I know that Michigan's talked about

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Speaker 1: how you know they Rich Rodriguez came to Jim Harball's

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Speaker 1: defense saying that, hey, you can't get everybody in that

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Speaker 1: you want to get in. Now, Notre Dame. Same thing,

433
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Speaker 1: they can't get in everybody they want to get in.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer when he was going he was looking at

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Speaker 1: the Notre Dame job. Now this this came from Jerome

436
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Speaker 1: bettis the Notre Dame grad and he said they were

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Speaker 1: trying to get urban Meyer to take the Notre Dame job.

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Speaker 1: I guess he went through South Bend and he said,

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Speaker 1: how many players can I get in who might be

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Speaker 1: on the cutting line the edge here? And I think

441
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Speaker 1: they said you could get one. Now, lou Holt Scott

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Speaker 1: two each year where they admitted somebody they probably like

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Speaker 1: Tony Rice. I think they admitted that they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: admitted during normal circumstances. And he won a national title. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Point other schools down south, they work in two smart kids. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's get a kicker with a four point zero team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta get somebody who's got a good

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Speaker 1: grade point average to raise that up. But I'll walk

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Speaker 1: on with like bangs with a four point zero. Urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer just kept going. He's like, Oh, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: head down to Florida. Like I'm I'm going to pass

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Speaker 1: through here, and this is Jerome bettis telling me story.

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Speaker 1: He's like, we're trying to say, come on, you take

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Speaker 1: the job. I got one guy who might not get

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Speaker 1: in normally. And then he was like, I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 1: going south and heading to Florida. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: in the iHeart Radio wapp. He's Jim Gray, the sportscaster, reporter, producer,

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Speaker 1: twelve times Sports Emmy Award winner and his new book.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend. It's called Talking to Goats. The Moments

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Speaker 1: You Remember and the Stories You Never Heard, Available beginning

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Speaker 1: today online Whereber books are sold. Jim, good morning. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm great. Dan, good to see you. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing great? Where are you right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles. Had to get out of my

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Speaker 1: house this morning, no internet, no power. So I've come

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Speaker 1: across the way here to a place that I think

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Speaker 1: you know. Oh, Rivienna. Wow, so you're right off the

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Speaker 1: putting green above eighteen there, Riviera. Yes, thanks to mister

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Speaker 1: Yamaki for letting me come over on shortcoatings. I was

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Speaker 1: just telling the Dans about the Richard Nixon story, and

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Speaker 1: they thought that I was talking about somebody else named Nixon.

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Speaker 1: Here now explain the former president and how you come

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Speaker 1: in contact with him, and started talking football. I was

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Speaker 1: living at John Madden's place at the Dakota. He was

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Speaker 1: a dear friend, and John let me stay stay at

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Speaker 1: his place for a couple of years. It was like

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Speaker 1: the guy who came for dinner and never left. I

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Speaker 1: was walking down the street one day and guy pulls

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Speaker 1: up in a sedan and it's black tinted windows, and

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Speaker 1: the guy says to me, are you Jim Gray? And

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Speaker 1: I said yeah, And I just kind of kept walking

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Speaker 1: because black tinted windows, and I'm thinking, well, what was

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Speaker 1: this guy I want to talk to me for? So

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Speaker 1: I crossed the street and they came back around. He

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Speaker 1: said you're Jim Gray. I said what. Yeah, we kind

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Speaker 1: of established that. I am nice to see you. President

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Speaker 1: Nixon wants to talk to him, and a guy rolled

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Speaker 1: down the window and there it was Richard Nixon. So

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Speaker 1: I got in the car talked to Richard Nixon for

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes. He knew everything about New York football giants,

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Speaker 1: he knew everything about baseball. He's rattling statistics, He's got

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Speaker 1: all kinds of all kinds of scenarios in his head

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Speaker 1: of what gone on in All Star games. So I

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Speaker 1: get out of the car all excited. I come back

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Speaker 1: to the apartment and I see Madden. I say, hey, coach,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this. I'm walking down the street

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Speaker 1: and I just talked for forty five minutes with President Nixon.

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Speaker 1: He said, don't ever ask Madden. I've heard all the

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Speaker 1: s I can take from a TUSAC and sister don't

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Speaker 1: ever ask Madden and he walks out of the room. Well,

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Speaker 1: about a year later, I'm sitting I'm sitting in there

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Speaker 1: watching television. Madden comes in. He says, I'm sorry I

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Speaker 1: called you in S. Well, you're talking about coach, he said,

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Speaker 1: about a year ago, I called you in s And

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Speaker 1: guess what, I just spent about an hour in the

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Speaker 1: car with Richard Nixon over here Columbus and you're living

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Speaker 1: in the Dakota at John Madden's apartment. This is right

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Speaker 1: off Central Park, and you end up some kind of

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Speaker 1: encounter with Yoko Ono in the Dakota. She lived right

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Speaker 1: across the way. So when you look out of Madden's kitchen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know sixty feet ninety feet across the way

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Speaker 1: and the Dakota in the courtyard was Yoko Ono and

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Speaker 1: she lived there obviously with John Lennon and he was assassinated.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I'd get up and have some

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Speaker 1: worm juice, and from time to time she'd be in

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Speaker 1: the window and we just kind of waved. She would

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Speaker 1: wave back, So she probably thought I was one of

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Speaker 1: maddened sons or didn't really know. So one day I'm

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Speaker 1: walking back from the from the studios from thirty Rock,

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Speaker 1: and I walking through ironically strawberry fields and there's Yoko

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Speaker 1: Ono and she's with somebody, and so I said, hello missus,

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Speaker 1: missus Ono, Hello Yoko, and I'm Jim Gray. I waved

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Speaker 1: you all the time, and we talked and she was

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Speaker 1: very pleasant. About a minute and a half, two minutes,

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Speaker 1: three minutes whatever, it was not long, and you could

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Speaker 1: see it kind of it ended dan and so I said, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should have a Coca cola one time, or

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Speaker 1: get together and have some coffee, and she said, no,

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Speaker 1: I prefer to wave. So so about a week and

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Speaker 1: a half later, you know, it's kind of embarrassed, but

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Speaker 1: you know, that's all right. She was very nice. I

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Speaker 1: mean she was very she was terrific. So she's sitting

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Speaker 1: in the window and I kind of waved, and I

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Speaker 1: was a little sheepish because I thought maybe she'd blow

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Speaker 1: me off. Not so she preferred to wave. Give me

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Speaker 1: the toughest story to tell in this book, Wow, the

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Speaker 1: toughest story to tell, Well, it's probably Pete Rose and

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Speaker 1: Pete Rose interview that happened twenty one years ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: just because of everything that went on and all of

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Speaker 1: the vitriol and tumult that was associated with it, uh

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Speaker 1: for me, for him, for the network, and for everybody

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Speaker 1: involved for Baseball walk us through it. The game plan

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Speaker 1: that you know they were they were honoring, you know,

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Speaker 1: the greats I think was MasterCard. I think honoring the

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Speaker 1: greats of the game. And you were on field reporter

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Speaker 1: friend BC, and what was your game plan in talking

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Speaker 1: to Pete? Well, everybody had to side and you worked

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Speaker 1: there for a long time, Dan, so you know, Dick

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Speaker 1: Ebersoul and Sam Flood and Bob Costas, Bob Uker, Joe Morgan.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had our meeting and we wanted to

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Speaker 1: speak to Pete and we didn't really know if he

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Speaker 1: was going to speak or not. Then we got confirmation

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Speaker 1: that he would, and so we all had a meeting

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Speaker 1: and everybody agreed that, you know, what the line of

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Speaker 1: questioning had to be. It was the first time he'd

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Speaker 1: been on the field in ten years after having signed

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Speaker 1: his own banishment away and hoping to be reinstated, but

560
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Speaker 1: so far that had been unfulfilled. So you know, the

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Speaker 1: idea was to ask him about what had gone on

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Speaker 1: in his life. I saw Pete in a room with

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Speaker 1: all the greats that they were celebrating the All Century team,

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Speaker 1: and talked to him briefly about the interview and he said,

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Speaker 1: what would it be about? And I said, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be about everything in your life, Beaten and he agreed,

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Speaker 1: so he said, okay. So when he came over, you know,

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Speaker 1: just started asking the questions and felt that it was

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Speaker 1: necessary at that time to you know, establish why he

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Speaker 1: hadn't been in baseball and did he want to make

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Speaker 1: some sort of admission And it just kind of careened

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Speaker 1: from there. Do you think he understood of how to

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Speaker 1: make himself a sympathetic figure in that moment make you

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Speaker 1: look bad? You know, I don't know. I'd never contemplated that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, I believe it or not. Dan,

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Speaker 1: After twenty one years and everything that went on, I

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Speaker 1: sat down with Pete Rose last week and did an

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Speaker 1: interview and we're going to have it on Fox on

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. This on Fox News on Sunday night at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock, an hour special on talking to Goats. And

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Speaker 1: we talked for an hour and a half. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think he was you know, he says, He says,

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Speaker 1: in the special that he had been playing baseball since

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Speaker 1: he was eight years old, since they determined, you know,

585
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Speaker 1: he was special all the way up until he was

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Speaker 1: forty seven. He was involved in the game, and he

587
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Speaker 1: said it was just not in his best interest to

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Speaker 1: come clean. First of all, he didn't think they had

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Speaker 1: the evidence. Even after they had the evidence, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if I would have admitted this, I was guaranteeing my

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Speaker 1: own banishment. So it was just better to lie and

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Speaker 1: hope that they didn't and that it would go away

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Speaker 1: and that it away from him. You talked to a

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Speaker 1: lot of different people. Obviously. The book is called Talking

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Speaker 1: to Goats. We're talking to Jim Gray, his new book

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Speaker 1: that's out now. It's available online wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 1: Your favorite athlete that you talk about have a story

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Speaker 1: about in the book is who. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I would have any favorite Dan. I mean, I've been,

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Speaker 1: you know, very close to a lot of guys. Chuck

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Speaker 1: Daily was my best friend. Julius Irving obviously opened so

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Speaker 1: many doors for me. Was in the wedding Muhammad Ali

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Speaker 1: and traveling with him, and my first interview with Muhammad Ali.

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Speaker 1: Loved Charles Barclay's company do a radio show for the

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Speaker 1: past decade plus with Tom Brady. So it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to just sit here and pinpoint knew Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 1: since he was just an infant all the way through

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Speaker 1: his life and you know, still mourning that loss, and

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Speaker 1: you know, he was a close, dear friend. So I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to just sit here and say any one

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Speaker 1: of them, but I would just say the whole collection

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Speaker 1: of them all have been a really, really fortunate existence

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Speaker 1: and and I wouldn't trade it. What's your favorite Kobe story?

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Speaker 1: My favorite Kobe story is probably, well, my favorite Kobe

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Speaker 1: story is one that didn't take place on the court.

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Speaker 1: We went to Hong Kong together and there were a

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Speaker 1: bunch of folks that wanted to hear from Kobe, and

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Speaker 1: so there were twenty guys that wanted to hear from them.

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Speaker 1: So we flew over there, spent thirty six hours together,

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Speaker 1: did a question and answer, and after we had done

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Speaker 1: the question and answer, we went to karaoke in Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong where only only language really spoken there in this

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Speaker 1: bar was Chinese, and we went in there and started

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Speaker 1: singing taking Me Home Country Roads by John Denver, and

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Speaker 1: he sang New York by Jay Z and Alicia Keys,

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Speaker 1: and my wife friend was with me and she was

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Speaker 1: singing an Elvis song, and we just had so much

628
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Speaker 1: fun that night. I'm getting chills saying we had so

629
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Speaker 1: much fun. And he was so dedicated to his kids,

630
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Speaker 1: and he had been out of basketball for a couple

631
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Speaker 1: of years at that point, maybe two or three, and

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Speaker 1: he was just so at easy And I just never

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Speaker 1: forget to sing. Those people in that karaoke bar knew

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Speaker 1: very little or no English other than the songs, but

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Speaker 1: every single one of them wanted to touch Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 1: every single one of them wanted to be near him,

637
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Speaker 1: take a photo. Knew who he was and wanted to

638
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: be in his company. And I'd seen that with Ali,

639
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: and I'd seen that with Doctor Jay, and you see that.

640
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: I saw that with Michael Jackson when I was with

641
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: him at a fight. But just the pure joy that

642
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: he was able to bring those folks and the fun

643
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: that he had doing it. I guess that's the favorite thing,

644
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: you know that I would It's probably because it's also

645
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: the most recent. I mentioned this one when Muhammad Ali died,

646
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: that his impact on a new generation was really not

647
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: necessarily about boxing. It was about being an activist, It

648
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: was about being out there. It was all the bravery

649
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: that he had his entire career. And I think that

650
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: that whole wave of Chris Paul and Lebron, James and

651
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, some of these other players, they saw this retrospective,

652
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: these eulogies to him, and I don't know if it

653
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: triggered something, and I don't know if he ever got

654
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: that feeling, but it felt like Ali's impact on this

655
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: new generation was based off things he did outside of

656
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: the ring. I would say that's one percent accurate. Look

657
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: at what Lebron did in the documentary that he did

658
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: for HBO, which I believe was just this year, on

659
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Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali. He was the executive producer, oh with Maverick

660
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Carter and Rich Paul and their company and Randy Mimms,

661
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Speaker 1: And I think that what they saw in Ali and

662
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: what we all saw in Ali and it and it

663
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: resonated throughout his whole life. But the courage, you know,

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Speaker 1: the greatest moment that I ever saw in sports. It's twofold,

665
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: but the first one has to be Muhammad Ali when

666
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: he lit the torch and I was on the field

667
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: that night in Atlanta doing the Olympics, and Bob Costas

668
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: and Dick Enberg were in my ear and we could

669
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Speaker 1: hear that, and you could see that, and just the

670
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: courage that it took, the bravery, the humanity, the fragility

671
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: of life, and the pure greatness of that moment, and

672
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: that man for all that he stood, for all of

673
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: the principles, everything that he had done in the Ring

674
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: and more so out of the Ring, it was all

675
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: there in front of us. And if that wasn't an

676
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: example that will live forever for good, for future generations,

677
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Speaker 1: for everything that he did for all of us and

678
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: for the world. And I think all of those guys

679
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: saw that, and all of those guys know his story,

680
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and so yes, do they want to emulate that? Yes?

681
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: And do they want to carve their own path and

682
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: do great things? Yes? I truly believe that. Dad. I

683
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: know you have a great relationship with Tom Brady, but

684
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: i'm you know everything that went into that decision to

685
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Speaker 1: leave Tampa, because in the book you mentioned that you

686
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: know there were three teams involved, including the Chicago Bears,

687
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: that Tom was considering. What don't we know about that

688
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: decision by Tom to leave the Patriots. Well, what don't

689
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: we know? I mean, I think I know you know,

690
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I know Tom very well, but I can't tell you

691
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: his innermost thoughts. I do know that his family was

692
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: very important, and I do know that the proximity of

693
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Speaker 1: Tampa to Brazil and to Costa Rica is very important

694
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Speaker 1: because of Giselle. And I do know that his son

695
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: Jack lives in New York and would come to the

696
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: games in Boston and visit his father, and he's now

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00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen years old, and that's very important to him.

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Speaker 1: So when it came down to the Chargers, Chicago and Tampa,

699
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the Chargers just the proximity

700
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: and the West coast was just too tough for a

701
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: fourteen year old to be flying back and forth, you know,

702
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen hours a weekend um. And then that that

703
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: makes it also another eight hours for Gizelle to get

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Speaker 1: to her family. So I think that in the end,

705
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Speaker 1: the family was most important. And in Chicago, I can't

706
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Speaker 1: tell you why he didn't choose Chicago and why he

707
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: did choose Tampa. Uh weather probably had a little bit

708
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Speaker 1: to do with it. After freezing and suffering through in

709
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Speaker 1: New England, all those years, Tom things to be pretty

710
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: happy sitting out there in that whirlpool. Uh, you know,

711
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: getting better with Alex Guerrero after some of these games.

712
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Speaker 1: You know, the heat is a little bit better than

713
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: the frozen cold. I highly recommend the book. It's a

714
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: great read, and if you want one of those stocking

715
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: stuffers in time for Christmas, it's called Talking to Goats

716
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: and it's available in bookstores and online wherever books are sold.

717
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: It's Talking to Goats, the moments you remember and the

718
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: stories you never heard. And what I loved about it, Jim,

719
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: was you gave. You gave your side, whether you you

720
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: know the Pete Rose situation, that is decision with Lebron.

721
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: All you did was give context to a story that

722
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I think people have already made up their minds about.

723
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Speaker 1: And I think even if you've made up your mind,

724
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Speaker 1: I think you may peek. You're going to make people

725
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: reconsider or look at it differently. And I you know,

726
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: you put it out there warts and all these stories,

727
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed it. Thank you, Dan, I appreciate

728
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: you reading it. Thank you for having me on. Love

729
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: your show, love the guys, And what I'm most happy

730
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: about you're doing great. Yeah, I feel better and you're

731
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: out there Corn Ferry Tour. I'm I'm ready to see it. Yeah. Yeah.

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00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: I've played golf with Jim at at Riviera. He played

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Speaker 1: better than I did there and we were on the

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: tenth hole. We're approaching the tenth green and he had

735
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: been talking about my health and he goes, hold on,

736
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Speaker 1: let me call Tom. So he calls Brady and he's

737
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: face Time's Brady. He's like, hey, I got somebody wants

738
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: to say hello, And I'm like, what, Hey, Tom, how

739
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: are you? And then you guys talked about some other things.

740
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: But Tom did send be a book thanks to you,

741
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: with all of his workout regimen and a diet and

742
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: everything else as well. So I look exactly like Brady

743
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: does now. Tom, Jim, and and I hope the TV

744
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: twelve method helped you. But I remember we had a

745
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: great day together too, And I remember you tried to

746
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: dunk on Doctor j Oh got there out there in

747
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. That was NBA Finals mid nineties, and

748
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Speaker 1: Jim invited me to play with Doctor Jay and we're

749
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: playing at a golf course outside of Salt Lake and

750
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: there was a backup on like the fifteenth tea and

751
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: there was a basketball court in a yard right off

752
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Speaker 1: the tea, and I said, Doc, would you come over

753
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: and shoot around? And Doc is one of the nicest

754
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: people you ever meet. And then I said, would you

755
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: stand underneath because I want to dunk on you. So

756
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: we lowered the hoop to like maybe eight feet and

757
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: I and Doctor Jay let me dunk on him that day. Jim,

758
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, if we all would have had cameras and

759
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: homes back that day, boy, that would have been that

760
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: would have been all over everywhere. It depends on how

761
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: you framed it. But if you've framed it where I

762
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: was actually on a ten foot dunking on Doctor j

763
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: that I could have lived in infamy. But thanks again,

764
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Speaker 1: and thank you as always for your friendship, and I

765
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck with the book. Thanks. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's Jim Gray Forrest Gump of Sports Reporters. He's everywhere.

767
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be

768
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until

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Speaker 1: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

770
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at

771
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app When

772
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: you think about twenty twenty in the world of sports,

773
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: it's like you wake up and you have to walk

774
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: around with your shoes on the wrong feet, like there's

775
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: nothing normal, there's nothing comfortable about it. We have the

776
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: Masters in November. I mean it's disjointed. Basketball just ended

777
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: and now it's just getting ready to start again. But November,

778
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: not April. Sights and sounds, no patrons. There still the

779
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: same course, but it's just about getting through each week,

780
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: each day, and this is every sport. You're just trying

781
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: to get through it. If they can manage, we can

782
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: focus on the golf and enjoy one of the best

783
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: events in all the sports. Whether it's April or November.

784
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Augusta still looks beautiful raining the forecast. I'm curious what

785
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: happens with Bryson Deshambo, because he's going to be hitting

786
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: some drives probably four hundred yards. Is that a shorter

787
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: course in comparison to US Open courses. Probably they can't

788
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: lengthen it much more than they already have. And I

789
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: still maintain and this goes back probably seven years ago,

790
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: where I his friends with somebody a titlist, and I

791
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: said to him. I said, do you think that the

792
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: Masters will ever say, if you want to play in

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Speaker 1: the Masters, you have to have our modifications for a

794
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: golf ball, because the clubs are unbelievable. But the golf

795
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: ball is changing the support. But NASCAR says that when

796
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: you go to a certain track restrictor plates that's like

797
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: this is if you go to Sonoma, this is the

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Speaker 1: way we race here. And I think, well, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if the Masters just said we're gonna put

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00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: our logo on your golf ball. It has to pass

801
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: our specifications, whether it's tailor made, it's callaway, it's titleist.

802
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: Go down the list of these golf balls. I'm not

803
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: saying you go back to you know, wooden clubs here

804
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: or actual woods. You know that there's wood in the wood. Yeah, yeah,

805
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: that's right, something like that. But I wonder if they

806
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: just do sort of flight restricted where you want to

807
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: get back to golfing not just who's the most powerful

808
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: player out there. Golf is becoming a lot like baseball.

809
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's all about power, and you miss the people,

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00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: the players who like you look down through the list,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of golfers who never would have

812
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: won majors, but they were great golfers. But it's about

813
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: power and being able to overpower these you know, par

814
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: fives and make them a driver and a nine iron.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way the courses were made. And you

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00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: can't add too much to those tea boxes. They tried

817
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: to do that on a couple of holes at Augusta,

818
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: but there are certain ones there's no more space. There

819
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: no more room, And I just hate to see these

820
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: golf courses being made antiquated. They you know the reason

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Speaker 1: why they were set up, how they were set up.

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Speaker 1: You know the approach shots are going to change a

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00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: little bit with power, and you know the equipment. But

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Speaker 1: I'd still I'd hate to see Augusta, you know, rendered

825
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Speaker 1: a just another course here. And I would grow the

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Speaker 1: rough if you could grow the root, like you have

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Speaker 1: to penalize long hitters. I go back to when they said, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tiger proof Augusta. What did they do. They

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Speaker 1: lengthened it, And I went, so, the guy who hits

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Speaker 1: it further than anybody, you're gonna lengthen it. That's gonna

831
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Speaker 1: tiger proof it. You don't want to tiger proof it.

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00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: If you had like some rough there, so when you

833
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: miss the fair way, you know you were penalized there.

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Speaker 1: So now you've just taken twenty more golfers out of

835
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: this because you tiger proofed it. They Jack proofed it

836
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: back in the sixties, Jack Nicholas because Jack was hitting

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00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: the ball so much further than everybody else. Now, what

838
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: do you do with Bryson to Shambo. I don't think

839
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Speaker 1: you can Bryson proof this place. Yeah, Pa, do you

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Speaker 1: think that the Masters that I should say the TV

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00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: Partners is at CBS and ESPN. Do you think that

842
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: they'll pump in crowd noises and roars for or are

843
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: they gonna go natural what they did before? They've pumped

844
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: in noise at the Masters? Yeah, I think so. Yeah,

845
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: I think they pumped in noise. I think didn't somebody

846
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: call them out and say, wait, that's a different kind

847
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: of bird, that's not cuck cucka. Yeah, there are different

848
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: sound effects there. But I think somebody called out Google

849
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: that todd while you're not doing anything, that's actually the

850
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: piping plover, which is the original to the area. Yes,

851
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that they were called out for piping in

852
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: some noise there. Now they didn't have that. Well it

853
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: is a dog leg left. Yeah, mcglovit, I have this story,

854
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: is CBS piping fake birds into its mass. There's coverage

855
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: and they talked to a professor who says, yes, an

856
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: ornithology professor. I would love if they just had, you know,

857
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: like Jurassic Park and almost Yeah. Mc CBS said that

858
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: they admitted they did it into two thousand PGA, but

859
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: they will not admit to, uh, putting in fake birds

860
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: at Augustus. So they used to they will not admit

861
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: or they just said no, we didn't like they said

862
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: we did not, But they admitted that they put in

863
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: fake birds at the two one PGA or two thousand pga.

864
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Recorded bird sounds, what is the falco peregrine. It's more

865
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: commonly known as the peregrine falcon. Not unique, they're not

866
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: indigenous to that area. Therefore, well, the migratory patterns in

867
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: no venom of course, of course different, of course obvious. Absolutely.

868
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: I still go back to that movie up with Russell Coco.

869
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: Have you seen up McLevin up with with who it's

870
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: a cartoon? Oh yeah, balloons on a house. Yeah yeah, yeah,

871
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: they're crying at the opening. Oh my god. Yeah, they'll

872
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: make you cry your eyes out. It's a great movie.

873
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: You can't help but love Russell. Fox Sports Radio has

874
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877
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: We make the smooth segue to right. Thompson, ESPN Senior writer.

878
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: The new book is Pappy Land, a story of family,

879
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: fine bourbon, and things that last available beginning today online

880
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: and wherever books are sold, and a reason to drink

881
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: bourbon for the last four years while writing this book.

882
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: Well done, right, Thompson, How are you, buddy, I'm doing

883
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: great man? All right? So the idea is hatched. How when? Where? Why?

884
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: You know? At first it was like, maybe if I

885
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: wrote a book about this guy, I could get some

886
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But it turns out they're like I

887
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: kept waiting to be shown, like the mystery supply, but

888
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. It's so rare that the Van Winkles

889
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: themselves barely have it. And I just started going up

890
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: there and hanging out with him, and I wasn't sure

891
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: what the book was going to be. And I'm sure

892
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you've experienced this. The conversations I was having about you know,

893
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: he was going through a cancer fight. I just had

894
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: our first child, and the conversations we were having about

895
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: his father and my father and the kind of parent

896
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. Those felt as much of the

897
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: part of the story of the whiskey as the whiskey itself,

898
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: and so the book was born. It's a it's sort

899
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: of a winding together of the history of the fan

900
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Winkl brand and of Kentucky bourbon with you know, like

901
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: my wife read it for the first time and I

902
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: was trying to tell her my grand literary theory for it,

903
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, you wrote Eat, Pray, Love

904
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: for Dads. And I was like, damn it, Like that's

905
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: not don't tell anyone that it's not. You're gonna kill

906
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: my Any street cred I had is gone. But it

907
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: really is an exploration of inheritance and of you know,

908
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: the things that the things we inherit from our fathers

909
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: and the things we want to pass on to our children.

910
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: When did Pappy become something bigger than just a bourbon?

911
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, in nineteen ninety seven it got this famous

912
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: ninety nine score, and I don't even really know how

913
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: those things are rated. But people went nuts for it.

914
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: And for years, Julian van Winkle, who makes it, had

915
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: just been going deeper and deeper into debt to keep

916
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: this thing alive. The short story is his grandfather, Pappy

917
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Van Winkle, started to stutzel Weller Distillery, and then Julian's

918
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: father lost it, and so Julian had spent his whole

919
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: life just hanging on by his fingernails in the whiskey business,

920
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: to the point that this year he is finally paying

921
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: off the last of those loans. So twenty twenty one

922
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: will be the first year in the black. Oh well,

923
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: that's how long it took. And so they got this score,

924
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden people went crazy for it,

925
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: and everyone realized what a small group of aficionados had

926
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: always known, which was this was the best stuff in

927
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: a bottle in the world. And now, I mean, as

928
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, is that guy was just saying, it's almost

929
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: impossible to find. I mean, I'm raffling off nine bottles

930
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: of it this week at book events, and like people

931
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: were buying It's the response to those raffle tickets is

932
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: pretty astonishing. Also, when you're talking to Pappy. People think

933
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: that he's the one that jacks up the prices on

934
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: the secondary market, and he's not. I don't know what

935
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: a regular Let's say a twenty three year aged bottle

936
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: of Pappy, what would that go for? What's a regular

937
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: price for that? And then the secondary it should be

938
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy to three hundred dollars, And a

939
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: secondary market is starts at three grand and just keeps

940
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: going up. I mean, it's really crazy. And Julian will

941
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: tell you, no, Bourbon is three thousand dollars, you know.

942
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you know, it's a it's a

943
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: stretch at three hundred. So it was pretty interesting to

944
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: be inside that and see them sort of deal with

945
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: people who think they're getting rich when they're not. Why Kentucky,

946
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: Why is Kentucky the home of bourbon? You know, American

947
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: whiskey started. It was Rye whiskey in New York State

948
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: and then in Pennsylvania, and then you know, the big

949
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton George Washington fight over the whiskey tax was

950
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: really I mean, the seeds of the twenty twenty election

951
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: were planted then, and the whiskey tax was designed by

952
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: someone who lived in a city who sort of thought

953
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: it was a syntax, And George Washington understood that making

954
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: whiskey was how farmers who lived way out in the

955
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere kept their crops from rotting. And so

956
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: all those people migrated from Pennsylvania down to Kentucky because

957
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: there was a time when Kentucky was the Montana of America.

958
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: It was the wild Frontier, and so all of those

959
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: farmers moved from New York to Pennsylvania and then down

960
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: to Kentucky. How would you describe that first taste of

961
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: Pappy van Winkle for those who probably will never get

962
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: that opportunity, even when they before the taste and even

963
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: when they pour it in the glass. And I'm not

964
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: one of those wine guys who can, you know, tell

965
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: like I'm not, you know, I don't know how to

966
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: do that. So this is a pretty amateur opinion. But

967
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: just looking at it going in the glass, the viscosity

968
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: of it is different. I mean, I write about this

969
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot in Pappy Land, just watching people have it,

970
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like the bucket list

971
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: aspect of it. You can tell when it's poured that

972
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: it's not the crap you were drinking in college. Can

973
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: you take tours of Pappy Land? You can. You can

974
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: go to the Buffalo Trace Distillery. It's actually really cool.

975
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: I would not recommend doing it after a night of

976
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: hard drinking. I took a friends bachelor party there one time,

977
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: and you step out of the car man and it

978
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: is overpowering smell of whiskey. But no, the tours are fabulous.

979
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: It's the Buffalo Trace Distillery. You sort of come down

980
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: a hill. It's like a time machine. I mean, you know,

981
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: so much of bourbon and the people who love it

982
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: is associated with nostalgia. I read somewhere recently nostalgia comes

983
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: from the Greek words for home and pain, and that

984
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: sort of feels perfect when you think about a glass

985
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: of bourbon and remembering your father, or you know, a

986
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: toast to people who are no longer here, and you know,

987
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: exploring why bourbon means that thing to us is a

988
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: big part of the book. Is there bourbon snobbery? Did

989
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: you encounter that? You know, it's interesting. There's so much

990
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: bourbon snobbery and I was sort of making one of

991
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: them and Julian, I mean, Julian shut me down pretty good.

992
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Because he was just like, hey, man, who are you

993
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: to tell somebody how to enjoy something If the thing

994
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: they like about it is being a purist about it,

995
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: then like live and let live, man. And I learned

996
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: from that. Actually, I mean, I spent a lot of

997
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: time around Julian and he's a pre remarkable guy. And

998
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, if I have a business decision in the

999
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: future or a family thing, he's somebody I would call

1000
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: sort of like a father figure. You know, I lost

1001
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: my father young, and I think a lot of people

1002
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: that that happens to spend a lot of time trying

1003
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: to replace that and looking for people who serve that

1004
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 1: role in their lives. And so, you know, very early

1005
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: on I knew I didn't just want to write the

1006
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: history of Van Winkle. I wanted to write about the

1007
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: four years I spent with Julian because of that very reason,

1008
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: because the most interesting parts to me were just riding

1009
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: shotgun with him and hearing how he thought about things. Yeah,

1010
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: it presents itself is it's about Bourbon, but it's not

1011
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: about Bourbon. It's it's about lives. It's about families, it's

1012
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: about fathers, it's about sharing a moment there you have

1013
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: thoroughbred racing that's also intertwined in this as well. So

1014
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's typical, right Thompson, that you got

1015
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: different layers going on. And I really enjoyed it was

1016
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: a quick read, an easy read, a great read. It's

1017
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: called Pappy Land, the story of family, fine bourbon, and

1018
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: things that last available beginning to day, both online and

1019
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: wherever books are sold. Are you going to the Masters?

1020
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: You know? I was going to the Masters, and then

1021
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: I had a two week early daughter Friday, so I

1022
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: am I am no longer going to the Masters. I

1023
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: am instead dealing with the utter chaos in my house

1024
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: of the arrival of Louise Thompson. So you got two

1025
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: under the age at two, two under the age of three.

1026
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: So I need to Pappy van Winkle. Your wife might

1027
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: have needed that at childbirth. Instead of those jello cubes,

1028
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 1: you would just had bourbon cues. That's what I really

1029
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: I dropped the ball on that, Dan, And you know

1030
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so strange with no patrons there and

1031
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: the Masters in November. It's still gonna look the same,

1032
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: probably sound the same to a certain degree, except for

1033
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: the patrons. But I was surprised they didn't try to

1034
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: incorporate any kind of group there or give people an opportunity.

1035
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: You never get a chance to go there. I think

1036
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: there's nobody gonna be there. That ambiance is really what

1037
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: separated from every other tournament. It's gonna be really strange.

1038
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, ESPN had the the I'm sure you know

1039
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: Tim Horgan and Blue Foot, but like the guys who

1040
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: do all those bumps and teases. They were just there

1041
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: a week ago and I was sort of expecting the

1042
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: place to look different because it was fall, and he

1043
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: called the first day, was like, this is so weird.

1044
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what they've done. These guys are miracle workers.

1045
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: The course looks exactly like it would look in April.

1046
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean like these guys, like Seasons, have no dominion

1047
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: over whoever's running that golf course. It's pretty remarkable. We

1048
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: had a contest that was well, you had a contest

1049
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: that you incorporated our show, and you invited our listeners

1050
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: to write who they would have, Well, give us the

1051
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: context of it, and then if you want to paraphrase

1052
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the winning letter. Yeah. Man, we were talking a couple

1053
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: of months ago and I just sort of said, look,

1054
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: tell me who you would drink a bottle of Pappy

1055
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: with and why, because I feel like that question gets

1056
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: at the heart of what the book is about, which

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Speaker 1: is about community and friendship and loss and regret and

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: longing and home. And I don't know, man, you do

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00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: these things and you expected to get a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: And I mean one of the things. I mean, you

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00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: know this very well, and Todd knows this, but the

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: people listen to your show. It's a real community of

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00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: people and they're loyal, they love it, and I certainly

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00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: didn't realize that until these results. These letters started pouring in,

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: and like my wife and I would sit there and

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00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: read them, and everyone was more moving than the one

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Speaker 1: that came before, and I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I'm gonna pick. And ultimately I got one today

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Speaker 1: as the Marine Corps birthday, which is a big deal

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps, and I got a letter from

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Speaker 1: a I don't want to call him a former marine

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: because they get really upset about that. But like, I've

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Speaker 1: done that in print, and you will only do that

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: once because the emails started flooding in and so, but

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Speaker 1: he is a retire he I don't know what. He's

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: not a Marine Corps officer, he's not active, correct, But

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Speaker 1: he told me that his name is Ted Hubbard, and

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00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: he told me that he wanted to drink a bottle

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Speaker 1: of pappy with the father of one of his marines

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: who was killed in Afghanistan. And he sent me this

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Speaker 1: picture of he and three of his marines, including Seth

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: Sharpe who was killed in action, as they're leaving on

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: the mission from which Seth wouldn't return. I mean, makes

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: the hair stand up of my arms. And he said

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: he wanted to drink this bottle with seth father Rick,

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00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: and I just thought that, like that instinct an impaul

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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: flows through the very heart of everything the book is

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00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: trying to be, and so we sent him a bottle.

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Speaker 1: He's got it right now, and I sort of feel like,

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, jokes aside, man, anything else that happens from

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: this is gravy like to be able to send one

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00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: of these things and have it serve its true purpose.

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Julian is over the moon at it, because

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00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: as opposed to someone collecting it and getting dust in

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: a cabinet like a trophy, this is going to be

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: someone you know, using it for its purpose in the world,

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00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: and it's just it really does say something about the

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: community of people on the show. Because I was stunned

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Speaker 1: at the response. I mean a lot of people, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people listen to this, Dan,

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00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: but it's a lot. Because I was stunned at the response. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd keep getting these updates from right, he'd be like,

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: they're not stopping, Like, we're getting more letters. Oh, it's

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: so hard to pick a winner in And I went great.

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: I was glad that my audience responded to something that

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: I was really important. Next sports story you're working on.

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Speaker 1: I have an Archie Manning profile coming out on ESPN

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: that I feel like is for someone who's been written

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01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: about as much as Archie Manning. I feel like this

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: is probably eight thousand new words about Archie Manning. So

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about that. It feels wholly new and

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Speaker 1: uh man, we are all masters all the time. I

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01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: was up last night recording voiceovers. I was talking about silence.

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Speaker 1: That's the we're leading into it. Dan, well done. Is

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Speaker 1: always great to talk to you again. What's your next book? Man?

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things I'm kicking around. Uh.

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01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: We actually uh you're gonna do the history of Coors Light.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Well, I would think I

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Speaker 1: was gonna do the history of bush light because only

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Speaker 1: fine products here. No do you have you don't want

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Speaker 1: to tell me? Is this something you would tell me?

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Speaker 1: I have a Yeah, I have a couple of things

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Speaker 1: I'm kicking around. I'm also hoping that the Dan Patrick

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Speaker 1: audience by so many of these that I get to

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: go back to Penguin and like make them triple their money.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you were here by deputize. Congrats on

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Speaker 1: daughter number two. Thank you so much, man, honestly really excited.

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Speaker 1: Now when you get to your third daughter, then contact

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Speaker 1: me and then I'll help you. You have three? Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'm not joking, like I have

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Speaker 1: lots of questions. How old are they? They are in

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Speaker 1: their twenties. So is everybody out of the house. They

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Speaker 1: never leave, They never leave. Yes, that's good and bad.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of like we have a little

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Speaker 1: kid running around here talking about her baby and it's

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Speaker 1: the cool like I'm over the moon. Well, I got

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Speaker 1: a twenty two year old who said, I said, what

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Speaker 1: are you gonna do when you graduate from school? And

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Speaker 1: she said, I'm thinking of staying at home, living at

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Speaker 1: home to him thirty and I think he said, okay,

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: like I don't. I love having them home and girls

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Speaker 1: are the best. And and the advice I always give

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Speaker 1: to people is listen. If you're a dad, listen to

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Speaker 1: your daughters. You don't have to lecture. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to do anything other than listen, because they'll tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you want to hear. If they think you're listening

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01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: and not lecturing, well that's actually really good advice. I

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: mean I'm and use that with your wife as well.

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Speaker 1: By the way, just listen. I've already screwed that up

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Speaker 1: and have bur have bourbon on hand as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I think. Yeah, exactly, lots of it. Good

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: luck with the book, right, Great to talk to you

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Speaker 1: is always buddy. Thank you so much, Dan, Thanks and

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Speaker 1: so right. Thoms, an ESPN senior writer the new book

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Speaker 1: Pappy Land, A Story of family, Find Bourbon and Things

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Speaker 1: that Last. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,720
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01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,320
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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,880
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