WEBVTT - It Wasn't a Date...It Was Just a Thing (S1 E15, “Christopher Returns”) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:17.520 I am all in a kiss you. I am all 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.520 in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All right, everybody, 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:27.440 we're back for Christopher Returns. I'm Scott Patterson and this 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.800 is the I Am All In Podcast with iHeart Radio 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.520 and one eleven Productions, and we are going to discuss 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.400 a I mean, just what a what a what an episode? 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.360 I mean far talk about fireworks in the Gilmour living room. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.560 It was like an m m A fighting there amongst 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.479 the high i Q set. You know, it was like 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:54.720 whoa takedowns all over the place and got physical. You 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.200 got physical with what's his name? Mr? What's his name? Mr? 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.360 Hay stro Beaden, What a name? Loved the name Strobe. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.399 I mean, it got physical. Richard in in his guardag 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.560 he stood up like a grizzly bear, uh and just 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.520 grabbed that man, tossed him out of his house defending Laurel. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.080 I what a what a what an episode? My god? 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:23.319 And scene was not okay, that was upsetting. It was 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.039 it was very upsetting. But yeah, the whole thing was upsetting. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.800 But Emily, I think Emily tried to save the evening 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.920 for poor Rory in the kitchen. Was it was kind 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.920 of heartbreaking because I've never seen Emily that vulnerable where 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.840 she's just like, my god, what what? What? You know, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.760 the trauma that this child must have gone through as 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.440 a result of perhaps Richard and Emily's actions towards their 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.200 daughter and then through through the years is now getting 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.920 you know, that same behavior is getting on Rory. So 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.240 I think she felt a little guilty about it. Yeah, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:05.360 that that was a nice scene after the scarring I 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:12.400 experienced from the scene before Goodness Christopher returns. Boy did that? 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.079 Uh man? That guy, he just came in too hard 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.239 and too fast with the marriage thing. I wanted, you know, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.760 It's like, oh, that was aggressive, I thought, so do like, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.520 like have a plan, you know, have a like a 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.840 six month plan or a year plan. You've been out 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.880 of the picture for sixteen years, and like night one, 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.120 was it like the first night or the second day 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.000 or something. He's like, all of a sudden, like I 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.760 want to marry you. I was like, what a clumsy dude. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:49.680 So much happened in that episode because they slept together too. Sorry, sorry, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:50.960 I don't want to I don't want to hurt you. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.560 But didn't bother me. Really didn't bother me at all. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:01.440 Now I underd I understood, I under stood why that happened. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.200 I tried to. I think I was so overwhelmed by it. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.160 I just attached myself emotionally and just sort of went 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.839 straight to the intellect and tried to reason it out. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.080 And you know, yeah, that's of course that's going to happen. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.639 Entirely predictable. It had to happen. Um, And it did. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.840 And I was kind of glad that it did, because 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.640 if that didn't happen, then maybe they would have gotten together. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.400 I think the very fact that he pushed it to 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.920 that degree and was so aggressive as the thing, you know, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.240 that was the real flying the ointment that. I mean, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.040 we all knew that he was being too aggressive when 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.560 he made the move on her in the kitchen, and 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:46.840 she she protested very strongly, um and said all the 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.280 right things that you're not ready and you're not ready 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.600 for this, and you don't know what this entails, and 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.200 you have demonstrated no ability to make that level of 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.040 commitment as a father or as a person or as 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.480 a friend. Um well maybe not as a friends, but 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.480 as a father. And and she was she was nailing 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.040 it all over the place, and and just the fact 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.840 that I think there was a part of her on 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.080 that balcony that said, this is the last hurrah. This 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.919 isn't the beginning of anything. This is the end of something, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.680 and I'm gonna just get it out of him, gonna 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.440 let him get it out of his system so that 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.960 he goes away, because once he gets that, he's gone. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.080 He's not the guy. He's not the forever guy, and 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.800 he never was, and she knows that. So maybe there 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.600 was a part of her deep down that knew instinctively that, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:40.000 you know, sleeping with him wasn't going to be the 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:41.919 biggest mistake in the world. It was going to be 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:46.120 the thing that really cleared him out. You know, maybe 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.800 there's a part of her that that knew that, you know, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.760 I don't, I don't want to. I don't. I don't 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.320 think she's that cynical in that moment to sort of 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.680 consciously be aware of that and saying, oh, you know what, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.000 I'm gonna do this and then he'll go away. But 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.480 I just think it was somewhere underneath there. Yeah, I 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.640 thought it did work because if that scene was so 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:12.400 overwhelming with the fight that it just seemed like it 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.600 was such a mess, and they were probably also hurt 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.240 that it was like it did feel logical, like okay, yeah, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.760 now they're going to be on the balcony and like 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.400 do it. And it was like, wow, this is this 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.120 is very fiery. Everything's fiery. Now it's like, oh sudden, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.520 It's like it's like really interesting. Say yeah. It was 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:34.160 the most dramatic sort of scarring scene we've had so far. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.240 It was it was it was ungilmore like almost because 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:44.360 it really it was. It suddenly turned into a drama. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.960 And you know, some of the greatest lines so far 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.680 in the season, so far, the episodes I've watched and 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.680 what what is that? Thirteen thirteen Now we're up to 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.560 um we're all the little quippy lines between Rory and 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.520 Laurel I with all the tension, like did you just curtsy? 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:09.280 Like yes, my lady. It's hysterical stuff like Roy didn't 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.920 know what to do so she curtsyed. And the presence 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.800 of Mrs Hayden. She's so amazing in this episode because 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:22.000 her awkwardness is so like accurate. It's just like she 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.200 doesn't know and she does that scene where she says, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:33.680 strobe mr YouTube there you two there sitting there, yes, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.200 and then the fight was so ugly, but so you know, 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:42.159 the most heartbreaking thing about to go when Christopher arrived 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.000 or now I'm sorry, after he left, how vulnerable and 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.320 how much Rory wants her dad back in her and 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.960 it's so heartbreaking, so heartbreaking that her mother has to 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.039 be the bear of bad news and you know, him 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.760 showing up forced her to, you know, kind of break 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.240 her daughter's heart again because she has this hope, and 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.080 hope is the thing with feathers as we know, um, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.839 as we are learned in school, and you know, I 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.440 I know what that is, and that's that's hard to 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.600 deal with that when you're a teenager wanting a parent 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.360 to come back, it's hard and it colors your whole life. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.520 And it's exactly why she failed. This is exactly why 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:30.240 Rory didn't thrive. I think it contributed mightily, um because 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.040 she's got that whole insider. It's kind of amazing she 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.800 didn't turn into uh well, I mean, you know, kids 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.120 make bad choices when they have that whole you know, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.480 it's a mommy hole or a dad hole, and they 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.480 you know, they drink and they do drugs and they 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.840 do all kinds of extreme behavior to sort of field 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.880 that hole. And and I don't know what Rory did 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.680 after she graduated from Yale or she just doesn't really 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.760 get a career like we expected. But we can talk 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.000 about that. And Ma gets exactly because that scene, that 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.120 scene when they're walking back up to the house after 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.920 Christopher leaves on his most motorcycle and she's so hopeful, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.240 like maybe he could come back mom, and like, Rory, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.960 you know, it's not really, He's not the guy. And 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.880 you know, you know, she was trying to just let 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.720 her down easy because she knew in her heart he's 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.320 never going to be that guy. We can talk about 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:28.560 this in a minute. But no matter how sweet and 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.680 and and correct, the scene is with Emily and Rory 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.959 where she's saying, none of this is about you. There's 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.680 no way a sixteen year old kid does not make 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:42.040 that about them. That there's almost a fist fight because 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:47.080 she was born and she ruined him going to Princeton 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.520 and Laurela having It's like, how do you not internalize that? 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.400 There's no way? And that's it's also why the same 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.920 token Christopher probably has been failing because he I mean, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.040 if you're that guy, if you have the weight of 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.840 that DNA on you to go to Princeton and you 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.600 don't go, you know, and those parents, are you kidding me? 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.560 I'm surprised Christopher is doing as well as he is. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.400 But anyway, we'll talk about this in a minute. So 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.720 these are three people caught up in this maelstrom of 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.520 uh expectation and tradition and higher education that they none 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.640 of them, the only one of them will follow through 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.199 and we'll see how far she gets. And this, God, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:40.080 you realize in that scene, the pure dysfunction actually of 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.440 this family. Well you know, the pain, the deep seated 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.720 unspoken pain that came now it comes out. I mean, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.440 now it's all hanging out in the open now, all 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.400 the dirty laundry being here. That the deep pain and 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:59.520 was one of the most um I mean, if you 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.680 didn't say think that ed Herman was you know, a 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.160 cop drawer actor. I don't know why you would think that, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.000 but my god, did he dis He displayed some range 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.360 in this episode, especially that scene in the in the 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:21.760 in his office with Lauren. Yeah, just remarkable stuff and 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.800 heart wrenching, and you see how deeply it affected these people. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.000 It really, you know, it really humanized Richard for me, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:35.080 and it really humanized um Emily. Yeah, because they really 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.360 went through it. My god, the disappointment was so deep, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.520 so deep. Um. But well there you go. If you 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.040 express it repeatedly, it's going to have an effect on 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.120 people and make them want to stay away from you, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.160 where you're going to have to bribe bribe them back 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.920 into your lives and for Friday night dinners and private 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.280 school tuition. Well, let's take a break and bring in 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.199 our guest. All right, I think that's what I happy. Anyway, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:06.480 we'll be back with our guest, our surprise guest. Should 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.199 we name him? Yeah, that's a good one. Mike Gazalf, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.280 who had a couple of lines in this episode. We're 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:22.520 gonna talk to him when we're back. Hey, Scott, how 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.559 are you doing, Mike? Thanks for coming on. I'm glad you. Uh. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.720 I enjoyed the show and I thought I was glad 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.040 to be asked. Thank you so so you. Mike Gainsolfie 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:38.439 have been nominated or a Golden Globe Award winning Comedy Writer, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:45.400 Peabody Award, Emmy nomination for Rosanne Dennis Miller Live Veronica's Closet, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:50.480 Mystery Science, three thousand later with Greg Kinnear. Oh my god, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.800 I had no idea. You never talked about this. I 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.280 keep all that hidden by just being so so bad 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.520 on as Andrew that I hit all that other you know, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.360 I hit it all under the rest of it. But yeah, no, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.880 I started and been I've been a stand up comic 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.840 and a writer. And then whenever I know there's a 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.240 camera on me, except for right now hopefully, I always 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.160 just went on camera and I just panicked. So it 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.400 was just like, you know, people who I thought would go, oh, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.120 we know you was a writer, to go just just 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.760 go back. You're You're perfect behind the camera. Stop ever 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.040 just being on camera. And so I just you know, 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.320 So I've been writing everything. I mean, I've wrote before, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.959 and I wrote sort of during and I've spent all 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.199 of I wrote three pilots during, um you know, so 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.160 far during COVID, and I've got two more I'm working 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.400 on now and just trying to sell those and selling screenplays. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.679 And I'm and that's how I That's how I spend 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.760 my day. So you so you got, well that's terrific, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:55.920 very productive. Um um so you got so you knew 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.319 Amy and Dan prior and that's how tell us how 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.160 you got the role. I've worked with Amy on Roseanne 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.800 in the beginning. When I got hired on Roseanne, she 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.920 was already there, so I knew Amy. I worked on 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.839 three or four of her different shows. Worked on a 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.440 show with Daniel on called Over the Top, and then 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.600 we worked on Ronica's Closet together. Amy and Amy and 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.079 I worked on that, and then her next show is 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.440 Gilmore Girls, and and you know she didn't need me 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.960 on that show. But one day Helen Pye, who works 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.000 behind the scenes married to the real David Gelski, uh 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.560 said I said something about can I say some lying 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.840 about thanks Luke, and will you stand all night in 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.839 the snow? And I went, sure, I'll do that, And 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 you brought me coffee and they love and Warren snow 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:43.800 when I was on, and they made me get my 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.199 sag card for that because I've done a couple of 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.520 little lines on other shows, and I went, well, you 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.800 no offense, you made me get my sag card. Can 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.160 you just throw me on the show but once in 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.800 a while, And they went alright, as little as possible, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.920 which is how I like like. It was usually something 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.560 goofy like you know, I warn a that army costume 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.360 to uh Amy's and Amy had a party, and also 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.680 at Amy and Daniel's wedding, I wore this army costume, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.640 so they said, we want you to wear that in 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.400 the dance Marathon episode. So that was filmed way on 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.440 the West Valley and it was like a hundred degrees 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.880 already and I nearly fainted wearing that wool suit and 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.760 to pull me someone had dragged me to the fan 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:28.080 to get me revived practically, and then they stupidly, Uh, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.160 not stupid, it was actually fun. I took Amy to 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.200 a beakroom class, but beakerm was still a thing you're 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.360 allowed to talk about, and uh, she said at the 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.000 end of the class. She said, the whole time, I 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.320 just thought, how can I kill Mike and DOLPHI and 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:45.560 that Bellary Campbell said. Bellary Campbell says, because of that, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.040 but she made me, uh have to be topless in 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.920 the art episode. So that was responsible for my being 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.080 in the statue in the art episode. So there's always 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.840 something goofy like that. Otherwise, as in town meetings, and 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.040 you know, I saw the uh I couldn't sell it. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.640 Oh e ed to Christopher because he's card got declined. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.120 But it's just little things like that that I was 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:13.280 doing in the show, in town meetings and things like that. Um, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.520 so that's so you and Amy and Dan go back aways. Yeah, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.480 that was. I was friends with them and went to 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.480 their wedding. They went to my wedding. Um, we've known 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.640 each other many years? What was what was their wedding? Like? 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.960 It was actually a swing wedding, you know, like you 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.200 like that's why I was wearing a nineteen forties army 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.280 costume and they were you were supposed to. Uh. The 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.360 songs were all sort of swing dance songs, although I couldn't. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.520 I think I I think she got us all lessons 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.760 one or two lessons, so I went to one one 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.800 dance lesson and then swing swing danced is that the 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.440 right term? Or swung dance? I don't know swing danced, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:57.040 but yeah there right, Yeah, there's a swing. There's there's 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.920 swing music sort of. There was song I really know 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.840 would be Take five. But that's it was kind It 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.240 was fun talk about how difficult it was. What were 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:15.000 you in any episodes in season seven? No? No, but 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.600 you watched the episode you watched the episodes, you watch 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.640 the whole series. I know, in fact, that's been funny 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.160 that I hadn't even watched this episodeuntil I watched it 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.520 for this because I only saw my part. Whe I 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.280 knew that I declined Chris's credit card, but I had 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.560 no idea that they I don't want to give him 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.640 any spoilers, but we're talking about the episode that they 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.120 didn't know they'd slept together later in the episode. I 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.800 thought that would have been a perfect way to run 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.040 the show, is make or give birth to Chris's second kid, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.480 and that Rory and the second kid could have been 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.200 sixteen years apart. She could have been friends with her 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.400 daughter and friends with her second daughter. I had a 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.360 whole different direction for the show. Yeah, that's that's a 0:16:53.360 --> 0:17:02.000 different direction for sure. Wow. So, UM, tell us a 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.399 little bit more about um your experiences. Well, so what 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.040 did you think of the writing? What do I mean, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.119 why do you think Well, let me ask you this, 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.639 why do you think it worked so well? Why do 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.520 you think that writing was unique onto any other show? 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:23.720 For from season one through six? I think Amy Amy 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.320 writes really well and really like even on Rosanne, she 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.040 she knew what she was, what she was writing about 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.720 and who she was, and just made the stories really 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.480 personal and and had the emotions down better than anyone. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.760 And and she just got the personal connections that you know, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.399 I just I've been a comedian. I just wanted to 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.760 write jokes like I just wanted to, you know. And 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.480 then the Kangaroo one and you go, alright, everyone laughed 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.320 and no one cares, all right, and you know, and 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.679 like I grew up in an emotionally stunted family, so 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.960 we didn't talk to each other. So like, they're doing 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.000 emotions and I'm like, what are people doing. They're talking 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.159 about their feelings, like I don't you know, so she 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.240 but she got that. So all the connections of things 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.480 and me. You know that in every episode they're connecting 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.760 as people and there's emotions. You go, ah, if I 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.879 had those emotions, I get it. And as a person, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.200 you know, I watched it. I understand what you guys 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:27.720 are doing. So but she just got that edit than anyone. Unfortunately, 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:34.880 you're a robot comedian didn't understand. But I mean, but look, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.840 intellectually speaking and emotionally, of course, you can appreciate it. Yeah, 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.520 very much. And I got I got all that right, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.639 and you under and you understood how difficult it is 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.199 to create that many very unique characters, distinctive voices. You know, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.800 there's so many, I mean there's thirty or forty eplodents. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.920 It's unbelievable. And I also know that how much how 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.520 much writing she did, because the scripts are half again 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.520 as long as a normal script because everyone's talking so quickly, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.360 and and just that she got what was an eight 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:08.240 page script, any script. Yeah, yeah, it's just amazing to 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.960 get all that and feeling and talking quickly and the 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.800 things that happened where it's just it's brilliant. And I 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.840 felt badly that to go back to the art episode, 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.399 that's the only episode that won an Emmy was the 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.800 makeup and costume for the um for the Festival Living Art, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.359 where you know, Amy and certainly Lauren and you and 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.520 Alexis certainly should have been I'm much more acknowledged. You know, 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.160 that's the way life is. But you know there's also 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.159 on the c W. I don't know if that had 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.040 anything to do with it, but show do you think 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.200 that was I mean, obviously the work was there, there 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.560 was no question about it. And I've never seen the episodes, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.720 I mean, uh, and now that I'm watching them, I 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.320 I I am continually shocked that the show was overlooked 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.520 for the performances. So why do you think that was? 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.520 I don't know if people only treated the big networks 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.359 a certain way, and I mean they certainly cable network. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.680 Cable shows were winning Emmy, So I don't know why 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.840 on the CW couldn't be acknowledged as a great show. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:14.320 Because one time, I I think it was in Luke's 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.560 in the diner, I was law Lauren had a scene 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.720 and she was doing just talking right to the camera, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.240 but I somehow set up said the line before that, 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:24.920 so I had to still be in the room or something, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.920 and I just watched her talking to camera. I thought, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.760 first of all, I'm never gonna be as good an 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.960 actor as Lauren Graham. But she is so good that 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.480 I can't believe everyone isn't aware of this, like the 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.600 just the way. I don't have an answer for why 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.359 there was it was overlooked. The writing was overlooked, the 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.760 acting was overlooked. It's not a crime, but it's a crime. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.480 Do you do you think it's because it was just 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:56.560 too family orientated to light to might have been. It 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.920 might not have been edgy enough to it's like two 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.600 family friendly almost, which is, you know, great for ratings 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.719 and ads and commercials and that kind of thing, but 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.080 too safe sweet Yeah, like yeah to to not someone's 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.439 dying or someone's you know, there's not a zombie going 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:19.280 to come out of nowhere some weird reality. Yeah, it 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.320 wasn't edgy. I don't know what you know when people go, 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.760 I'm writing this edgy show about these people who are 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.199 bitter and angry, and it wasn't. It didn't have that. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.760 It had a sweetness to it, but it's hard to 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.800 say when people you know, obviously people love it now 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.920 and you know on Netflix that's obviously very often watched. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:41.680 But it wasn't. I don't have an answer for why 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.200 people watch what they watched and that it was. It 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.960 was unfortunate because it should have been more acknowledged. Then 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.920 it's one of those things. Yeah, Um, behind the scene 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.800 politics that we're unaware of. You know, what's what's going 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:58.280 on behind the curtain there? We will never know. Um, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.080 So let's get a little bit more specific. Let's talk 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.280 about the scene where Christopher comes in and gets his 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.320 credit card declined. Do you remember that scene? Can you 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.640 tell I do, because I remember panicking that they wouldn't 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.480 know one would tell me how to say Billy Credup's 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.080 name is Billy Credib? Is a Billy Credib there? Like, 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.159 I'm like, I have to say. This is gonna be 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:17.960 on film for the rest of my life. Can you 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.560 just tell me how to say Billy Credup? No crude up, 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.640 crude up credup? Just okay, now I have to say 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:29.120 his name and and uh but but I just had 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.600 to tell poor David self his card got declined. I 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.800 felt awful for him, and like I knew that I 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.280 knew it was sad, and I knew that it really 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.240 was an ox indijection and they're not heavy, but it 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.639 was like, I'm like, they couldn't just giving me an 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.080 empty box. I'm holding the forty pound box for five 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.600 cakes Like you gotta keep it real man, Yeah, I 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.639 keep it. How bad is it when you see an 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.240 actor handling a full coffee cup and you can tell 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.600 there's nothing in it, or a suitcase with nothing in 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.320 it when it's supposed to be heavy as the how 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.760 every birthday present isn't really wrapped you just pulled the 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.520 top of a box off, and he went, someone couldn't 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.240 at least put it pieces gotch tape. Uh No. And 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.000 also I'm not a good enough actor, so I needed 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:12.600 them to hand you a real box, so I would 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:17.560 have in fact, wasn't. When your uncle on the show 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.359 died and we had the little Marching band and I 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.200 was playing a drum, we went up to the thing 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.480 and we had to play play a thing. Kurt played 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.760 the trumpet, Shawn Gunna play the trumpet, and I was 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.359