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Speaker 1: Bucky here moved the sticks in Buck we are. We're

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Speaker 1: ahead to the offseason, draft, free agency. Before free agency

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Speaker 1: try and do a free agency preview show. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, and I'm I'm locked in now with

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Speaker 1: all these dudes in the draft. Let me see where

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Speaker 1: I'm at here on my list, I have all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm at a hundred and ninety six players watched

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Speaker 1: he can catch the ball out the backfield. He's a

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00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,639
Speaker 1: matchup problem. I believe he'll be a nightmare in spread

429
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,800
Speaker 1: systems that put the running back out wide and allow

430
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,320
Speaker 1: him to work one on one against safeties and linebackers.

431
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 1: He can do all those things. He is as natural

432
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,359
Speaker 1: a pass catcher and route running as I've seen in

433
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,120
Speaker 1: the running back position. And so teams that are kind

434
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,000
Speaker 1: of trying to find those guys that Christian McCaffrey's to

435
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,840
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamars, those guys that can change it up. Both

436
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 1: of these guys are terrific and dynamic. I don't think

437
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 1: you can go wrong with either guy all right, you

438
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 1: need to help me out with this because my h

439
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 1: my music knowledge does not extend beyond So I was

440
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 1: told by uh folks that went some scouts that went

441
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 1: through Tennessee. I said, how is he? Is he a

442
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 1: good teammate? What do they think of him? You know,

443
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 1: because he left Alabama? Is that Tennessee? He goes, oh, no,

444
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,920
Speaker 1: they love this dude, and I go, okay, like what

445
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 1: do they say about him? They said, well, he's got major,

446
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 1: major street cred with everybody on the team because he's

447
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 1: really I guess he's really tight with me, goes, oh

448
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 1: megs raps, So you gotta you gotta tell me. I

449
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 1: don't know what I've seen the three amigos, but I

450
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 1: don't know meges. I think mego sings bad and Bougie bade.

451
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't think are you familiar with me? Goes back

452
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 1: there behind the glass. I don't know. I'm horrible with me.

453
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I do believe that is his cut.

454
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 1: I think bad Em Boogie I have to have to

455
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 1: dig has has a lot of stuff. I don't know.

456
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if they are they on your are

457
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,200
Speaker 1: they on your are they on your phone? You purchase

458
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: that music. Are you just looking this up? I'm looking

459
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 1: at about Come on, I'm dead. I can't. I can't

460
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 1: listen to this too much unless I'm aware. I think so,

461
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,959
Speaker 1: I think Alvin, come all right, are you know I'm

462
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 1: giving you I'm giving you an assignment here? Um is

463
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara in one of their videos? Because I've heard

464
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 1: the rumor that he's in one of their music videos.

465
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: He might be smoozy. So anyways, as a player, we

466
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 1: love him, but it's no fun. Let's talk about this.

467
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: He is connected and when you come from down so

468
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: all like that, that that kind of makes it. But

469
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 1: he is bad and he might be boozy when it

470
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 1: comes to it, but he is terrific with the ball

471
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,479
Speaker 1: in his hands. He's explosive. And you talk about the

472
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: return game and what we've seen in the playoffs with

473
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: guys that can put the ball into paint in the

474
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: kicking game. He is one of those special players. I

475
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. We talked about Christi McCaffrey and that

476
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: little suit bet about him being in the first round.

477
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: Alfred Kamar is gonna be nice pushed to get into

478
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: and I've told it. I see I haven't seen him

479
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: in person. Um, I was told, wait till you see

480
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be twter and eighteen two twenty

481
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: something pounds and lighted up, so that that that is

482
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna take off. The hype train is gonna take off,

483
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: and I think it's warranted. How about Uh? One of

484
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: the to me, one of the fun players to watch

485
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 1: in this year's draft is a total mismatch player. Uh,

486
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel from Ohio State. You know, I like her

487
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: to say, but here's here's the thing I would say

488
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: about him. I think he's electric. He's a close if

489
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: he did some nice things, you know how your state's

490
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: offense they tried, how would you use him? You know?

491
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: The funny thing for me is I know they have

492
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: pushed the comparison to Percy Harvard, but to me, he

493
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: still kind of strikes me a little more as Tavon

494
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: austin Ish, Like when Tavon was playing running back at

495
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: West Virginia. I believe that he is a guy that

496
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: you have to have a plan for. It's one of

497
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: those tough conversations that you have in the meeting room. Okay,

498
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: we like this guy. We can say that Everyone likes

499
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: this guy, but how are we going to use him?

500
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: How are we going to justify where we select him

501
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: when we bring him in the building. Is he going

502
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: to be a guy that we legitimately have a package

503
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 1: for that this is the Curtis Samuel package. He comes in,

504
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: He's gonn play a little running back, You're going to slot,

505
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: He'll do some return things. When you take these kind

506
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: of players, I just believe it's very, very important that

507
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: you have a clear plan for how you're gonna deal

508
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: with I think he's tougher than that Tavon Austin. I mean,

509
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: I think he may be tougher in the passing game

510
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: than Tavon Austin. But I think Tavan was probably in college,

511
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: was someone running back there West Virginia. He did. I

512
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 1: think he's got I think, look, Curtis Stael was fast.

513
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: I think Tavon had a little bit more juice. I think, uh,

514
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: I think Curtis got a little more humphed to him.

515
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: He might have a little more. Maybe Urban got a

516
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: little more him then. But I think the Tavon comparison

517
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: is just because I think people forget how good Percy

518
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: Harvard was in Florida. So it's easy to slap, oh,

519
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: he's an age back Bay person. But Percy Harvard was

520
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: a legitimate running back, like he could play running back

521
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 1: in the league. When they put him in the Nation

522
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Futball League, they took Ajan Peterson. Now they put Percy

523
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: Harvon and Percy Harvard had success. Um. I don't know

524
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: if Samuel's is as dynamic or as rugged as those guys,

525
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: but I think he can have some success in the league.

526
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: I just believe he's a niche player. Well, I think

527
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: that he's going to go in the second round, as

528
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: my guests would would be my guest there. Now, the

529
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: problem with Tavon Austin is um obviously he went high

530
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: in the first round and so thus he's been labeled,

531
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, a bus, not ended up bus, but just

532
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: a major disappointment, even though he got paid on a

533
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: second contract. My thing is, if you got Tavon Austin

534
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: in the second round, where I believe sam would you

535
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: feel good about that would be pleased because he gives

536
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: you a lot. But when you take him number eight,

537
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: which was my biggest contention taking small guys in the

538
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: top ten, that guy has to be a number one receiver.

539
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: You don't take compliments in the top ten. Those guys

540
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: that you take in the top ten should be game changers,

541
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: transcendent stars. And I think we can confidently say right

542
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: now to Tavon Austin hasn't been a transcendent starting to

543
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: leave Tavon Austin No. Five, eight hundred and seventy six pounds,

544
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: This kids bigger and stronger. He is bigger and stronger

545
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: just from replaced out. How you use or how you

546
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: use him, I think you have to kind of look

547
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: at that as a blueprint. The big thing in meetings

548
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: after we see him at a combine and he kind

549
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: of gets people excited, you have they had their conversation

550
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: scouting staff and coaching staff. What what are we gonna do?

551
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing, all right? Uh, Dante Foreman from

552
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: Texas wasn't in my top fifty. Have cut some heat

553
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: from that. Six gonna be around what six little over

554
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: six ft gonna be around two and fifty pounds, Ultra

555
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: productive there at Texas Bucket. I've watched three games, you know,

556
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: at this point in time, I I like in the

557
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: process to you know, painting, you know, so I've got

558
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: I've got the Himer sold. So I've got the primer

559
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: done on all these guys. So you've got two three

560
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: games in, and then after I get a base level

561
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: for you know, a lot more guys than I have now,

562
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: then I have plenty of time drafts a long way

563
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: away circle back in, watch some more and try and

564
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: get these guys. Ultimately figured out he was one. It

565
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: was not love at first sight for me. I like him.

566
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. Um, but I didn't.

567
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: I was a little bit disappointed. So he's one of

568
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: those ones I have highlighted to go back. I'll watch

569
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: the more on him, UM, see if anything changes. But

570
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: right now, I thought he's a big back that didn't

571
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: necessarily always played at that size. Uh you know. I

572
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: thought he was a bruiser, I wrote. I wrote down

573
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: to he was a little more of a no nonsense

574
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: physical runner. Downhill likes to attack the line of scrimmage

575
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: with a shoulder square. Um. I thought he ripped through

576
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: arm tackles. I thought he was a violent finisher. But

577
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: he's more of a straight line runner. And in fact,

578
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: in my notes I wrote down this is an old

579
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: school runner. He's kind of a guy that belongs in

580
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: a power based system where he runs powers encounters. Uh.

581
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: We talked um on a video that we shot earlier.

582
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: You have to check out. We talked about our top

583
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: five running back in the draft. Um. He is a

584
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: guy that kind of reminds me of Jed Gile, Garrett Blunt,

585
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: kind of those old school physical runners their work, and

586
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: so if you're not a team that employees dead kind

587
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: of system, you don't see him as available commodity. I

588
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: can see where he can be a bit of a

589
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: polarizing prospect for teams based on what style of play

590
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: they like to use. I'm going back through my notes here.

591
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Downhill Uh one cut runner, lower finish, UM pull through tackles.

592
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was sudden. Thought he had some

593
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: some power balance or some balance on contact. I thought

594
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: he ran a little high, heavy shoulder run through tackles. Um.

595
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: He needs to build speed. Um, he's a cut blocker

596
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: and pass protection UM inconsistent There no punch. Uh. Didn't

597
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: think he was elusive catch the ball out of the

598
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: back film swing. Uh. Question is top speed? Um? So look,

599
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: maybe I take back that he didn't play to his size.

600
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: I do have some notes in here about him having

601
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: some power. I just thought kind of a monotone, one

602
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: speed guy. Well, I mean, I mean, I I can't

603
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: say that you're wrong about that, because he is kind

604
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: of a one speed downhill player. He's a guy that

605
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: when we talk about you call it one cut, I

606
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: call it straight line, meaning they don't have a lot

607
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: of whip. But he just kind of gets on the

608
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: train tracks, stays on the train tracks, and if anything

609
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: on the train tracks, he's gonna try and run through it.

610
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of how he plays. And so if you're

611
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: a team that employees a system like that, like a

612
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: team like Tennessee that has traditionally been that, a team

613
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: like Minnesota who had done that with Adrian Peterson, he

614
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: has more value in those systems than teams that are

615
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: kind of like these, uh, spread wide open teams that

616
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: prefer to put the guy on the shotgun and kind

617
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: of do some different things with them. Or before we

618
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: rip through a couple more of these dudes here, I

619
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: think we have some breaking news our jun know. He

620
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: was in a music video titled Emmett Smith by Migas.

621
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: There we go see Alvin Kamar in the video. Yeah,

622
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: but I'm sure everybody else that's listening, like, yeah, we

623
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: knew that any anyways, all right, Buck, let's just rip

624
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: some some through some of these other guys this. I'm

625
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna give you a list of guys, um, and maybe

626
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: one of them stands out to you. These are guys

627
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: to me, I think are gonna probably go on that

628
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: third fourth round area who I just really liked. I

629
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be tremendous value. Uh. This is the

630
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: group of guys that I'm I'm fired up about where

631
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I think there's value in this draft. Jeremy McNichols from

632
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Boise State, UM, Jamal Williams, who're gonna talk to you

633
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: in just a minute from b y u h Kareem

634
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: Hunt from Toledo, Marlon Mack from South Florida. And then

635
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: I'll put Wayne Gallman in there from Clemson who's got

636
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: kind of a different body type than that. Maybe you're

637
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: looking forth the running back position, but run, block, catch,

638
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of different things for you

639
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things. And I think

640
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: they group uh as we're kind of getting into our

641
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: clusterbuster category. All those guys will probably have similar grades

642
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: on most boards around the league. And what you have

643
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: to determine is what are you looking for for that guy?

644
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: Because I think all of those backs are complimentary backs,

645
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: meaning they're not necessarily full time workhorses. What do you

646
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: value more? Is it a guy like a Wayne go

647
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: Home When you talk about a guy that can run

648
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: and catch it out the back, we'll also do some

649
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: other things. Is a little shifted you than some of

650
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: the guys that you mentioned, But Marlon Max me of

651
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: that group as someone that I think a little bit

652
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: of everything. He has a little bit of everything. He

653
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: has a little physical running style and I know sometimes

654
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: in South Florida, uh, you kind of get lost in

655
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: the shuffle. But he was a guy that was very

656
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: productive the last two seasons. I like watching him play

657
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: and also think the guy that you brought up from

658
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Boise State, Jemmy McNichols, also has some things. The biggest

659
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: thing with Jeremy McNichols he can do all this stuff.

660
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: I saw on Twitter you kind of liking him to

661
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: D'angela Williams ball security when I watched the tape against

662
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: why when we put the ball on the ground. Just

663
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: has to make sure that he's not a phone love

664
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: because that is the first way to get out of rotation,

665
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: no question. But he is a good player. He can

666
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: catch it out of the backfield. He's compact, he runs hard.

667
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: Um I was a big fan fan of his game.

668
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: When I go back real quick to Marlon Mack to me,

669
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I say complete back in terms of speed, power combination

670
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: there catching the ball to the backfield. He's not a

671
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: natural pass catcher. That's something that he needs to work on.

672
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: I got some room for improvement there. Let me give

673
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: you this next wave of guys I've got here. Um

674
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: p Ryan from from Oklahoma's power power back. Matt Dave's

675
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: from NC State. Like him. He's a good tough all player.

676
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: Like him as well. Uh Brian Hill from Wyoming, who's

677
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: a big back at junior. I don't know how fast

678
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: he is. My question there, Corey Clement twound color back,

679
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: no question. So you've got that that group of guys.

680
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: Elijah Hood, I wasn't the biggest fan of your of

681
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: your tar heels. You know he's he's more of a

682
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: straight line hid him at four six. You think he

683
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: runs faster not. I think he runs a little fascinated.

684
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is you have to go

685
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: back and watch him, not this year but last year

686
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: when he had success because he had like over sixty

687
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards. He can be physically, can be productive, but

688
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: this year he was a bit of a disappointment. I

689
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: think of all the back that you talked about below

690
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: their top five, I believe it's kind of like the

691
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: elephant in the room and the guy that is Joey

692
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: And I think I think Joe Mixing is the guy

693
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: that who knows where he goes. But when I've talked

694
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: to guys, I've had some guys say, look, he might

695
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: be the best back in the draft in terms of

696
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: his ability to be able to do everything in terms

697
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: of inside outside run, a catch the ball out the backfield.

698
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: I made the comparison to he kind of reminds me

699
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of David Johnson's who. That's why I

700
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: wrote down. You know, the issue with Joe Mixing is obviously,

701
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: like everyone's seen the tape. You've seen the issue not

702
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: only in that incident, but also having the parking incident

703
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: with the traffic attendant, Like can you trust him when

704
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: you bring him in the building, And as an organization,

705
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: do you have the stomach to deal with the backlash

706
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: from a pr standpoint that comes along with dealing with

707
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: someone who's had a violent act against a woman. All right,

708
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: So the videos is horrific. We've talked about it before.

709
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with him. I think

710
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: he's I would have him as my second running back

711
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: in the draft. I think he's worthy of a top

712
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: fifteen pick, and I think player. I think I think

713
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: most people will kind of have to rustle with that.

714
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: Now there's something that are saying he's already off our board.

715
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: That's the majority of people that I talked to, right,

716
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't even get I don't even get this far

717
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: in the discussion we can't touch him. It's funny because

718
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: I've had that, but then I've heard him said, man,

719
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: we can't touch him. But man, he's well, well here,

720
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: let me let me let me uh go through it here.

721
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through the teams because I'm gonna even

722
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the two. I talked to some people around the league

723
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: and it was, Okay, who who do you think could

724
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: could do this? But but I was told no, because

725
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: they have they've that's an issue there. I believe with

726
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Mr Kraft's widow was it was an issue. So I don't.

727
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't they. I was told he didn't buy someone.

728
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: They didn't think that they would do that. The two

729
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: teams that I was told to keep an eye on

730
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: that they think possibly happen Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones is

731
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: the boss and man you talk about. Can you imagine

732
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: as a player pairing him up with Ezekiel Elliott whole

733
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: that the Dallas Cowboys were one. And then somebody said,

734
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: if if the Seahawks did it with Pete Carroll, he

735
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: can point to the fact that they took a chance

736
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: on Frank Clark and and it's he's He's done. Okay,

737
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: So those were the two teams that came up. But

738
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll run through the list of teams here

739
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: and you just tell me, maybe, just give me a maybe,

740
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of them just knows. New

741
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: York Giants. You can't take him to New York, h Philly, No, Washington, No.

742
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: Do you think maybe they got Junior Gilett? Okay, so wait,

743
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe on maybe maybe watching Jon Junior Gilett has an

744
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: incident out there, and also Scott mccleohen Um, he's a

745
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: really good football player, and if they could get him.

746
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: I want to say at the bargain basement price, I

747
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: think they're willing to do with the backlash. Chicago Bears,

748
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they can do it. Detroit Lions, I

749
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: don't think so. You know green Bay, that doesn't you

750
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: know like green Bay is funny because I would put

751
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: an astrid by that because sometimes in green Bay just

752
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: kind of annoying the guys, the talent and a small town,

753
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: not a major media market. Maybe you could kind of

754
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: maybe put an astrid. Minnesota, No, I don't think so. Atlanta,

755
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: No Carolina, New Orleans. I say, I don't know what

756
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: every scene well enough to Tampa they just had. I

757
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: mean it's totally different issues, but they've had. You know,

758
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Doug Martin's had some Yeah, that's tough stuff. That's working

759
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: through Arizona. They got David Johnson. I don't think you

760
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: why there's some million running backs, why you need to

761
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: take the rams with girly No, uh, the Niners. John Lynch,

762
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I just John Lynch, you're one you're gonna make that statement.

763
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't see that happen. So Seattle, we mentioned we

764
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: go to the a f c H Buffalo with Shady

765
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: McCoy I don't think you. I wouldn't think they love backs.

766
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I can't see it. I just

767
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: can't see it. Mcd again, first year Dermott coming in

768
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: the owner to yeah there's six Miami. No, I don't

769
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: think they can do that in New England. We've discussed

770
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: the Jets. I can't again, New York can't. Baltimore with

771
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: the Ray Rice, no chance. Uh, Cincinnati, the Bengals have

772
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: historically taken some chances. Yeah, they're maybe they're okay. And

773
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: also the owner is in the mix. When it comes

774
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: to dilanmore personnel Cleveland, they I mean, gosh, I don't

775
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: think I don't think so. They're getting so much heat

776
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: for so much else side Steelers with their situation, I

777
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. Even though

778
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: he would be a nice fit there. Um Houston, No,

779
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Indeed. No, Uh, Jacksonville with Tom Coughlin,

780
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: would he undertake that? You know It's funny because I

781
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: was saying on the surface no, but then he doesn't

782
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: mind taking some Yeah, I mean we had Andre Risen

783
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, like you've had some characters down there. Um,

784
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: maybe okay, Jacksonville and maybe Tennessee doesn't need him, uh Denver.

785
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: I mean they don't. I mean I don't. I think

786
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: they're past Kansas City. I don't think they can afford

787
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: to do it. After all the heat they're catching on

788
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: Tyrreek Killy was but they really they really hadn't caught

789
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: a lot of heat because Tyreek kill was so good

790
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: and he stayed out of trouble. Um. I don't know

791
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: if you go back to the way, I don't think

792
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: back do that. The Raiders, I put them down as

793
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: a may be the old Raiders for sure. The new Raiders,

794
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. But they don't really have a they

795
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: don't really have a home. So the Chargers have a

796
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: young running back. So it's really not that many teams.

797
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: And and here's the challenge. We've talked about how great

798
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: of a player he is. We've mentioned numerous times how awful.

799
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: It's awful, it's awful. But the challenge is when you

800
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: get in the draft room, and especially you're like this,

801
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: your owner walks in and says, hold up, you got

802
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty draftable running backs up there. Find me

803
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: another one, Find me another. There's a whole bunch of

804
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: them on that board, and I'm gonna have to deal

805
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: with this. Some ownership will absolutely come in there sai

806
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: no way. When I work for Carolina, Mr Richardson, it

807
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: was it was a no branding, no point, no, nope,

808
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: We're not gonna deal with however, Um, some owners sometimes

809
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: people will come in and they will ask questions, well,

810
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: how much better is he than that that lump? And

811
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: so what the general manager or the top decision maker

812
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: has to determine when he's making the case is because

813
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: we're in the courtroom, you're basically making the case to

814
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: ownership that we have the right situation in place. Not

815
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: only ownership locker room cowboy. The Cowboys are the most

816
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: obvious pick. Now obvious pick is a Dallas Cowboys because

817
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: of the structure that they've been able to build up.

818
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: And they don't care. I mean, and I say this,

819
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: and I say this not that they don't care about

820
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: m violence against women and those things. I will say

821
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: that ownership is not easily swayed by public perception. They're

822
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: not gonna let the backlash affects the decision. But I mean,

823
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy did not work out. He did not work out. Um,

824
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: but you know that, and they've taken chance. The last

825
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: couple of times they've taken chances. Randy Gregory hasn't necessarily

826
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: worked out. The Gregg Harder situation didn't work out. So

827
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: how often did you go back to the will? But

828
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I do believe when you're Adam Jones played well for him.

829
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: When you're looking at that situation, the possibility of being

830
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: able to have two young guys and Ezekie Ellen and

831
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Joe mixing, that's kind of scary, all right. There there's

832
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: a pretty complete discussion there on the running backs, and

833
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: so I think that leads us in to to a

834
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: player we both like Buck. Um, it's gonna join us

835
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: here right now, and that's b while you running back,

836
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Tomal Williams, Jamal, how you doing, man? Thanks for stopping by.

837
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm good. How y'all doing? Were great? Great man? You've

838
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: had an outstanding career at b y U. Uh. It's

839
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: uncommon because still in our minds we think of b

840
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: y U as a passing school. But talk about your decision,

841
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: your reason for going to be by you Um, mostly

842
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of high school wasn't really how

843
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: to recruit it. But b YU take a chance on me,

844
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: and you know, loyalty is a big thing for me,

845
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: and I just like everything about b by U football.

846
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: I went up there, the football environment was great. They

847
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: accepted me for who I was, and you know, once

848
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: I got out there, already knew that I was part

849
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: of the family. I got a chance to go to

850
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: your bowl game against Wyoming where you kind of just

851
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: put the team on your on your shoulders there and

852
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: carry and carry the heavy load. You end up as

853
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: the all time leading rusher in school history there at

854
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: b y U. But every big opponent you guys played

855
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: this year, it seemed like you stepped up and had

856
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: a big time game. What was your focus going into

857
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: some of those games like Michigan State some of those others. Uh,

858
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: mostly just you know, trying to be the spark plug

859
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: for the team, just let them know that we can

860
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: do it. We all we gotta do is just you know,

861
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: do our assignment, work hard, and know that we gotta

862
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: believe in ourselves. And mostly that's just what I try

863
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: to do. I try to go out there and played

864
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: by my actions and let them know that, you know,

865
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm with them one hundred percent and I'll give them

866
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: a hundred percent, no matter what down it is. What

867
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing used to block in running, you know, just

868
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: doing my assignment and just for the team to win.

869
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna give you a challenge here. We're

870
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: both former scouts here, so we would like to try

871
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: and you know, condense our reports and evaluations. So I'm

872
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna challenge you three words to describe yourself as a player,

873
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: your your style, just what what can I summarize you

874
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: in three words of what are you getting in? Jamal

875
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: Williams MM, I say word corse, Uh, loyalty and passion.

876
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, I like that. I'm gonna give you the

877
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: words that I have down when I looked at my

878
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: notes on you. Here the three words I'll give you.

879
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Number one angry, He's angry, man, you run angry. You

880
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: got a little anger to you, which I like in

881
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: my running backs. Number two decisive, Uh, you see it,

882
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: you hit it. There's not a lot of dancing with you.

883
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: You're no frills. Let's get north and south and let's

884
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: get going. Uh. And then finally I'll say, just your

885
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: vision and vision to us we break down running backs.

886
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: That's where it's all got to start. If you can't

887
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: find the hole. Doesn't matter how fast you are when

888
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: running at the back of your offensive linement. Thought you

889
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: got really good vision. I thank you, don't may be

890
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: blessed so so in in in speaking of that and

891
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: speaking about that downhill, rugged running style, you talked about

892
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: being a workhorse and having a lot of passion. Who

893
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: are some of the NFL running back that you pad

894
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: in your game after? Uh? Mostly when growing up, I

895
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: wasn't I probably wasn't going, but I've seen him. It's

896
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: mostly Waltz of Payton and Eric Dickerson. I like those

897
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: two the most. Payton mostly because his off season workouts

898
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: really is because you know, he's always running hills and

899
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: getting better and getting ready for the season. And that's

900
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: what I try to do when I'm on the off season,

901
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: try to work as hard as I can, just like him.

902
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: And Eric Dickerson is because he's a he's a tall

903
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: running back like me, and you know, once he hit

904
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: a whole, he's he looked like a gazelle and he's gone,

905
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I mostly just trying

906
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: to pattern off of those two, you know, and and

907
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: thinking about that being a taller running back and the

908
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: guy that loves to kind of live between the tackles.

909
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you try to

910
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: do to prepare yourself to get ready for those physical games,

911
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: those physical contests inside being a regged running back. I

912
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: love contact, Honestly. I know that's gonna come any time. Man.

913
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: That's what I need. That's what I like to do.

914
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I love to make sure defenses know every

915
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: time they tackle me, they're gonna feel me and they

916
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: don't know they're gonna get ad no matter what, because

917
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to go through them every down. And uh,

918
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: mostly I just like to drain them down every game

919
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: once fourth quarter, third or third quarter, fourth quarter, that's

920
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: when I really get to see if they're still ready

921
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: to hit and not. And that's really when I try

922
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: to make my moves there. One of the things I'm

923
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: looking back through my notes just from a couple of

924
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: games here against Arizona and West Virginia. Arizona, I thought

925
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: you did a really nice job in past protection. You

926
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: you were cutting some folks, had a nasty one, a

927
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: nasty cut block in that game, and if you remember

928
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: that in past protection. But then also West Virginia, I've

929
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: got you squaring up pass rushers. I got checked about

930
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: three or four times on here, So it seems like

931
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: you've you've taken some real pride in your past protection,

932
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: which is usually one thing to keep young backs from

933
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: getting on the field. Yeah, I learned that, especially my

934
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: freshman year in college. Uh one I was supposed to

935
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: have a block and the dude jumped over me and

936
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: made a fumble and we lost the game from that.

937
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: But I learned from that mistake on and I made

938
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: it a priority for me to become a better pass blocker.

939
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: And from years on, I just kept working and working

940
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: on it. And at first I didn't like it, but

941
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: now you know, you just got to embrace it. And

942
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: but I love blocking now. I love doing everything for

943
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: just to keep my quarter that I protected. So in

944
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: listening to you, I've heard you kind of describe your

945
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: stretch in terms of being a physical running back, a

946
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: guy that's a workhorse. If there was one thing to

947
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: you wanted to work on before you got to the

948
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: next level, what would you say that is? Uh, probably

949
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: more route running, you know, just to set up my

950
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: defense a little more. I can catch the ball, but

951
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I just gotta be able to set them up

952
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: better and be able to sell my routes a little

953
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: bit more. One of the friends of our of our

954
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: show here of the podcast is author named John Gordon,

955
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: who's spoken to a bunch of teams, written a bunch

956
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: of books, and Bucky and I have decided that as

957
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: we go through the draft process this year, we're gonna

958
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: adopt three of his questions he likes to ask people.

959
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: So we're gonna hit you with the three h is.

960
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yeah? The first one is easy. It's

961
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: who's your hero? My hero? My mom? My mom? Offa

962
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: sor what? Now? Explain that a little bit further? Give

963
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: mom some love here? Shoot, Mom do everything. She really

964
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: is the superhero. She goes to work, always at either

965
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: a game, she's already got a track meet for my mom,

966
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: for my sister too, so she and and then she

967
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: goes and have time for herself. So it's just, you know,

968
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: she does everything. She makes sure that she's at every

969
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: sporting event. For saying, for all this, I think she

970
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: probably missed two football games out of my whole year's

971
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: playing from Pop Warner Flag football high school college. So

972
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: she goes to everyone and then she now she's going

973
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: to all my sisters track meets and my sister runs

974
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: for you and l V Wow, that's awesome. What is

975
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: she run, by the way, what event does she run?

976
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: My sisters? Dude, a hurdles, she sprints, She a long jumper,

977
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: but she can't beat me though she she says she can,

978
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: but she ain't ready for the burners yet. Okay, so

979
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: we have down that your mom is your hero. So

980
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: the next thing, we want to know, what is the

981
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: biggest hardship that you've had to overcome. Um? I probably

982
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: think being away from the two thousand fifteen season, away

983
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: from my football, my my b r U team. Um,

984
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: mostly it's just I just had to keep working and

985
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: I had to watch them on TV, and you know,

986
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: I know everybody on man, I'm I'm talking to the

987
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: TV like I know, like I'm at the game, you know.

988
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: So it was just it was kind of hard. But

989
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: at the same time, I know I was just getting ready,

990
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: getting ready for next year to come back bigger, faster,

991
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: and stronger for them. So for those who don't know,

992
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: it was a team rule situation, right, you're suspended for

993
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: that season. Did you give thought to to transfer and leaving?

994
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people at that time

995
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: expected you to just go ahead and transfer. Yeah, but no,

996
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: it's you know, by you was my team because they

997
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: gave me my first shot, you know, and once you

998
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: give me my first shot, I'm Lloyd to you, and

999
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: Lloyd to He's really big to me. So it was

1000
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that I was gonna come back.

1001
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: All right, your your two questions down here. The final

1002
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: one is is another easy one. Here your your highlight.

1003
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: What's your greatest highlight when you look back on your

1004
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: college career. Um, the greatest highlight I think probably getting

1005
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: the record, the Russian record, and it was doing the

1006
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Mississippi State game. But they put up the twenty one

1007
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: signs and everything, and it really made me feel, you know,

1008
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: even more special to be part of that b y

1009
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: U family. And at the time I can't really you know,

1010
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: celebrate about it because we're still about to go to

1011
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: overtime with him and you know, trying to win the game.

1012
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: But after the game, I've seen everything they did. They

1013
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: made a big poster for me and everything, and uh,

1014
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: they really hit me in the heart. What are you

1015
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna run? What are you gonna run? Forty wise that's why.

1016
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people wanted out there. What

1017
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: are you gonna run? I know you are a physical, pounding,

1018
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: aggressive I used the word angry runner when when they

1019
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: click the click, the watch on you. What we're gonna see? Shure,

1020
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: you just gonna have to wait till March's third. You

1021
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: go see that? All right? That's fair, that's fair, keep us,

1022
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: keep us, keep us waiting there. That's that's a good

1023
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: way to tease it there. Hey, Jamal, we appreciate you

1024
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: taking some time, man. I wish you the best of

1025
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: luck as you go through this draft process and we're

1026
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: excited to find out where you land. Thank you. I

1027
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it, all right, Bucky, Well there you have it.

1028
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, good dude. Uh fun interview catching up with him,

1029
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: and a good overall discussion going through all these running backs.

1030
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: Very good discussion. I mean, we continue to talk about

1031
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: the running back position being de value, but this year

1032
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: more than any there's so many in backs in this

1033
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: draft that can certainly help you. So yeah, they will

1034
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: be the valued on draft in terms of where they're selected,

1035
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: but it's certainly not diminished. An important one name that

1036
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I passed over, and we need to touch on just

1037
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: real quick here at the end. Then Nell Pumphrey, the

1038
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: all time leading rushian n C double a history. I

1039
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: struggle with him, Bucky. I look for comparisons. He's a

1040
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine pounds. You watch an NFL game,

1041
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: and if you watch the Lions play over the last year,

1042
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: theoretic who does not look big on NFL field is

1043
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: forty pounds heavier than this guy where thirty five, whatever

1044
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: it is, he's thirty or forty pounds heavier. It's a

1045
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: it's a nice it's a nice story. I just don't

1046
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: know how you can survive at that size. And I

1047
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: don't know how you can put him in the backfield

1048
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: because the first thing that I'm thinking of from a

1049
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: defense standpoint, if you got that little guy, they we're

1050
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna blits you and make him hold up in pass protection.

1051
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: And so um, he'll get his chance. I think he

1052
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: will have to show people that he can be a

1053
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: loss of a different guy and be a returner. I

1054
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be hes, going to live in the spot,

1055
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: and I think he'll maybe use him on some some

1056
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: some draw screen stuff. It's a tough one. He's a

1057
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: great case because the natural comparison from Santigos say, a

1058
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of people ask about Ronnie Hillman and you talk

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Speaker 1: to people there, they would say, he's tougher, he's more dynamic,

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Speaker 1: he's more explosive in all those things, but he's smaller,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't know how you sell that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Hillman was two pounds. Yeah, So anyways, he's he's

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Speaker 1: he's been a great college player. I think he's definitely

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna fall in love with him because of, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what kind of kid he is and his

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Speaker 1: quickness and production and toughness, all that stuff, and you

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Speaker 1: get him on special teams and create some packages for him.

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Speaker 1: But he's he was tricking one for me. Anyways, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today, Buck, pretty pretty fun conversation. Here.

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Speaker 1: Will be back another episode later this week. Thanks for

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