1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: the truth lives here at twelve Apostles Apostles. The end 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: of the regular season is upon us. I mean sort of, 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: because it's the Pack twelve championship game and then Cow 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: still has to play USC with a new head coach 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: in the in terms of card anyways, that's the Pack 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: twelve for you people. Um, I'm George Rice Stir, He's 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: Ralph Amson, and this is the Pack twelve Apostles, the 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: podcast by Pack twelve fans, four Pack twelve fans, where 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: we get the truth about the conference, no sugarcoat and 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: no bs. We keep it one hundred and you guys 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: can always shoot us a text two nine three seven, 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: five four seven, make sure you share it with a friend, 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Tell a friend about the episode, leave a five star 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: rating wherever you listen to it. Yeah. So, um, we 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: will cover the teams and give a recap of their 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: entire seasons next week on the episode, and John Wilner 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: will be back with us for that Pack twelve awards 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But we would be remiss if 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: we did not talk about the coaching changes going on 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: in the conference and how those things are impacting everybody involved, 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: and the Mario christ the ball to Miami rumors while 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Manny Diaz is still the head coach. Bro. That shows 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: you how dysfunctional Miami is. But anyways, Ralph, the biggest 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: news was, well, we actually got some head coaches in 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. You had Jake Dickert Um announced as 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Washington States long term, well at least current head coach, 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: because who knows how long term these coaching hires are. 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: Do you like the hire? I do, But I'm not 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: like I'm an unreliable narrator on this one, right, Like 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm super biased anybody that's ever worked for Craig Bowl. 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of anybody that's come out of 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: that Wyoming or North Dakota State pipeline. I think is 35 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: always going to be a great higher. Um. They hired 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: away Brian Ward, the defensive coordinator UM out of Nevada. 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: He's from that Craig Ball coaching tree. So Jake Dickert 38 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: is not gonna be calling the defense. UM. He did 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot and I think he gets he gets a 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: lot of credit. Sometimes the amount of credit that Jake 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: Dicker gets for holding everything together at Washington State makes 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: me a little uncomfortable. Like these kids don't like they 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: need a steady hand to convince them to go out 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: and play football. Like I like, the kids don't want 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: to not succeed. He was. They did a lot of 46 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: really positive things, and he deserves credit for it. But 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they really really make it sound like these 48 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: kids wouldn't even know how to wipe their ass if 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: Jake Dicker hadn't, uh, you know, stepped in. And that's 50 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: not That's not the case. These kids are all really 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: good football players. But I mean, for the offense not 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: to fall off is impressive. For a bunch of people 53 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: to not hit the transfer portal is super impressive because 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys were there because coach Rolovich 55 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: was recruiting them in their time with Hawaii and and 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: even more so, a lot of these guys are Mike 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Leach guys. UM. But to keep things together the way 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: that he did, I think he's a good candidate. I 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: think he's a good team player. I think he fits with, 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the politics of the state of Washington. UM. 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Not that any of this issue is political to begin with. 62 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is you're not going 63 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: to get a lot of push back from him on 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that you're getting pushed back for Rollovich on um. 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: It gives them continuity. He earned it. They almost went 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: to a pactwelve championship game. They won the Apple Cup. 67 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. And if they didn't, 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: if they didn't do something, they were gonna lose him. 69 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: He might have been the next guy at Fresno State 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: after after Kalinduborg got the head coaching job, or he 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: might be at Colorado State, which is which is open 72 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: right now. I thought it was the right I thought 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: it was the right answer because you got a guy 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: who wants to be there, like it isn't then the 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: most important thing is to find somebody who wants to 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: be at your school, and it is not just like, oh, 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: how how quickly can I get out of this ship hole? 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: You know, our guy Andrew Hobner made a really interesting point. 79 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: He said that everybody in the Craig Ball coaching tree, 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: like you have to give Craig Bowl credit at Wyoming 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: for giving them a six win floor as a team. 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: And he's not wrong up until Craig Ball got there. 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: Wyoming went to three Bowls in my lifetime, my whole life, 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: and they go to a bow almost every year now. 85 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: And so if Jake Dicker can turn Washington State into 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: a Bowl appearance, is the floor team? This is what 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Homners think, then it's a good higher or do 88 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: you think their expectations should be higher than that based 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: on the fact that Mike Leach was able to give 90 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: him a few eight nine win seasons. So I believe 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: firmly right that teams like Washington State that you cannot 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: uh try to win the back twelve every single year. 93 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: I think that that's an unrealistic expectation. I think that 94 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: you have to be very strategic and capitalize when you 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: have strike strike when you have opportunities like I think 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: that you should be trying to be a seven win 97 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: team every single year, seven win team every single year. 98 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: But then but then try to get to the Rose 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Bowl when you when when you have spikes you knows 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like to win your win the stars 101 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: aligned and you have a quarterback. You've got some veterans 102 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: who are going to the NFL and they came back 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: for their senior year or like, and then you have 104 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: a chance at a ten eleven win season because you're 105 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to win a national championship 106 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: at Washington State. And I don't think that their fans 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: are in denial about that, but I do believe that 108 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: you can every you know, four to five years, compete 109 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: to win the conference, and and if you win the conference, 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, once every four or five years and get 111 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: to go to the Rose Boat, that's an absolute win. Yeah. No, 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. I I don't know. Can you 113 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Can you think of anybody who would have been better? No? No, 114 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: because because aside from that, right, because the thing that 115 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Dickert gives you is, you know, the kids know him, 116 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: they like him. He's a good leader. He's gonna do 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: the things necessary to keep the glue. He's the glue 118 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: that kept everything together in a time when the team 119 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: could have easily fallen apart. So he was the obvious 120 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: choice if they lose, if they do win the conference, 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: like you're saying, if they win the conference, he's gone, though, yep, 122 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: but that's gonna be anybody who's in that role, and 123 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: that's just the truth of the matter. They'd be happy 124 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: to make that trade. They what too that if they 125 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: won the conference, they lose their head coach. Yes, yeah, yeah, 126 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: if if they got to go to a Rolls ball 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and then they lost their head coach. But Jake Dicker 128 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: seems seems like a guy to me that would coach 129 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: them in the ball game, in the ball Yeah, you're right, 130 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Luke Fickle situation. Yeah, you might cost himself some opportunities 131 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: because he's staying the course. I'm like, Kelly, Dude, it 132 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: big because like you here, here's the thing about opportunities. 133 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: When it's for you, it's for you. Yeah, and and 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: you can't have the scarcity mindset. Oh, I gotta get 135 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: out of here now because because Notre Dame's open for 136 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: the I mean Notre Dame is open for the first 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: time in a long time. I gotta go take it now. 138 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: It's like, bro, I'm building something good at Cincinnati. We're 139 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: going to the Big twelve like they're they're are. He's 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: already making five five million dollars a year and when 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: you include the bonuses and all of that, and he's like, 142 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: I'll get more raised, my my my pay will go 143 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: up when I go to the Big twelve. My family's here. 144 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to go build to Like I respect 145 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: the hell out of that so much because like, money 146 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: is important, but money doesn't buy you happiness and money 147 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: doesn't give you the things that you want the most. 148 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: The man is beloved in the city of Cincinnati. The 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: university will do anything that that he asked, like what 150 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: what more do you want to and you can build 151 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: something like He's in a unique situation because of where 152 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: the university is situated. He can get kids from Ohio, 153 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: get kids from Michigan, get kids from you know, Indiana, 154 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: Like there's Tennessee Fertile Regroup recruiting ground around there, and 155 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and when he goes into somebody's house and it's like 156 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, I think that you can. He's probably 157 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: the one of the more trustworthy coaches. I would say 158 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: him Nick Saban obviously, um because of his situation. There's 159 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: nowhere better. Really, Um, if Mario Cristo Baul stays at Oregon, 160 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: you can believe him. I think Matt Campbell at Iowa 161 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: State that that he's doing a short list of people 162 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: that if he says I'll be here, you can take 163 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: that to the bank. That he'll be there. Okay, So 164 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: then let's get into a little bit of the psychology 165 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: of how this podcast has put together. You played at Oregon, 166 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: do you unabashedly root for Oregon success? I do? Do? 167 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: Is there is there part of you that likes the 168 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Jake Dicker Higher because it's in no way threatening? No, no, no, no. 169 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: I like the Jake dickerd Higher because I think it's 170 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: good for Washington State. Like it's like it doesn't serve 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: like like I don't live by the scarcity principles that 172 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: a lot of other people do, that that what's what's 173 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: bad for you is good for me. If if I 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: think that I'm elite, then what does it matter what 175 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: you do? When? When? When the elevation of your team? 176 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: So if this means that Washington State wins its nonconference 177 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: games and doesn't lose to fucking b y U, sign 178 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: me up, bro, sign me up. Just just as long 179 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: as my Oregon Ducks beat them, we're good. Like what 180 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Washington State can finish eleven and one every single year. 181 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: As long as as long as the Ducks beat them, 182 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: that then then the Jake dickerd Higher it's great. It 183 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: bought like the people in the Pact twelve, especially fans, 184 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: they live by scarcity. Oh what's what what's good for 185 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: USC is bad for me? Nah, bro, then it just 186 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: caused you higher and now you gotta do better. That's fair. 187 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: That's fair. Um, I I like it. I'm a homer 188 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: for all the Wyoming stuff, but I do like the 189 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: higher I did think it went a little bit overboard 190 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: of like Jake Dicker at the Savior, give some credit 191 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: to the kids have been in the program. A lot 192 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: of you know, a long time across the three head coaches. Now. Um, 193 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I think Colorado is one of the only other schools 194 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: that's in that situation where a lot of these kids 195 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: are weather they know what to do. Um. They've been 196 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: forced to kind of take care of themselves. It's like 197 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: a step dad's get cycled into a house, you know, 198 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: for those times when the stepdad's not around or you 199 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: don't have a neue stepdad. Kids got to figure out 200 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: to make their own sandwiches, right. So I kind of 201 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: felt like a lot of a lot of the leadership 202 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of Washington State was kind of in that position. But 203 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: Jaden Delora looks good. They look promising coming in back 204 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: in the next year. The offense is still clicking. Um, 205 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: he brought in somebody to run the defense that is 206 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: knows the exact philosophy that he was operating and answers 207 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: based defense. Um that that it's very possible could turn 208 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: Washington State into a completely French style of team of 209 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: not just the guy that's that have to go out 210 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: there and now score you. So, uh, I say, good 211 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: for them. Let's move on to your Washington Huskies hiring 212 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: Kalin Deboor from Fresno State in what is one of 213 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: the weirdest head coach slash uh quarterback journeys because Jake 214 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Hayner is following him back to Washington. So he he 215 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: officially committed I think, so let me let me look 216 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: somebody while while you're looking, I'll give people the history. 217 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: So Jake Hayner, who played at Fresno State beat u 218 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: c l A, had a hell of a game against 219 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: Oregon as well, who uh lit it up this this 220 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: year at Fresno State. Uh, maybe transferring back to Washington 221 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: where he originally started his college football career. But then 222 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: he got thrown to the Wolves and they told him 223 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: to kick rocks and he went to Fresno State. Now 224 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: his head coaches going back to Washington and Jake Haynor 225 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe going back back there be so that means Dylan Morris, 226 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: you better hop in the portal, buddy um. Sam Sam 227 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: sent a text man he's heavily expected to go to Washington, 228 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: but did send a text message saying that he hasn't 229 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: committed yet. Yeah, so if he goes, right, Sam Hewitt, 230 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: who's the kid that they all want because he's Brock 231 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Hewitt or or one of the Hewart's kid. He was 232 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: a five star kid and he looked he did not 233 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: look good in the in the Apple Cup. But and 234 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Jake hayn going back, that would mean if you're Dylan Morris, 235 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: do you hop in the portal? I mean I think 236 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Dylan Morris probably gonna hop in the portal anyway because 237 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: they made him sit out the Apple Cup. But like so, 238 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: I think it's probably time for for Dylan Morris to 239 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: find a new home. But it would be interesting to 240 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: see Jake Hayner come back to Seattle to compete with 241 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: a five star because it was him losing to a 242 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: local five star that put him on the path to 243 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: go to Fresno State and build up new head coach 244 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: Kayalin Dbor to the point where he was an attractive 245 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: option to replace Jimmy Lake at Washington, So he'd be 246 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: right back in the same situation he was in, competing 247 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: with a five star local legend, and that is an 248 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: interesting place for him to be. So maybe it's not 249 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: the best choice for him to go back to Seattle 250 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: to face the same exact situation that he left in 251 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: the first place. No, because if his head coaches there, 252 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: he knows Jake Hayner, he know he's He's going to 253 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: run the same offense the same reads Jake. It is 254 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Jake Hayter's job to lose like this? How can he 255 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: lose that job? How? A lot of people felt that 256 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: way about Blake Barnett when he was a five star 257 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: transfer from Alabama to Arizona State, and Arizona State hired 258 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: Billy napi or the Alabama wide receiver's coach to be 259 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: the to be the offensive coordinator at the head coach. Correct, 260 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: And the difference is is that Blake Barnett hadn't really 261 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: been on the field, right he was benched for uh 262 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: uh not you uh hurts yeah, Jalen hurts yeah, um 263 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: and Jake Hayner has uh put up some very impressive 264 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: stats against good teams. So if you look at Jake 265 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: Hayner from this year, the dude through for thirty eight 266 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: hundred yards, thirty two touchdowns and only nine picks, and 267 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: you think that dude is not gonna end up starting 268 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: come on, come on, bro um that. But but about 269 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: the higher though, I liked the higher because it's solid right. Yeah, 270 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: you may not get the greatest defense in the entire 271 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: world immediately because Presional State has not been a defensive juggernaut, 272 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: but you are going to score score points. And Washington 273 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that they were prepared to spend the 274 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: type of money it was gonna take to get a 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote lash higher, but they got a solid higher 276 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: and this is from their grinder kind of ment mentality. 277 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: It's not gonna excite recruits and sporn immediate decommits like 278 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley did go in to USC and other commitments, 279 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: but to three years from now. This will pay dividends. 280 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: But but it's not gonna immediately turn like Washington will 281 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: be a Bowl eligible team next year, but their recruiting 282 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: class is not gonna take some major uptick this year. 283 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't good last year, and the year before that 284 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: was kind of sus too, So they're gonna have a 285 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: roster problem, but it's gonna be like they're not gonna 286 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: compete for the Pact twelve for a couple more years, 287 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: but year year four, year five, they're gonna be in 288 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: a solid position. Well. So Caitlin Dbor is an interesting 289 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: higher because he's had a very meteoric rise, right he 290 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: he he had a pretty good run um at at 291 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Fresno State, but he wasn't there very long. He's only 292 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: forty seven years old. He it's kind of a regionally 293 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: appropriate higher. He's from South Dakota. I mean that's not 294 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: it's sort of regional sort of um. He he's just 295 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: he's riding a wave of success. He's been in eastern Michigan, 296 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: southern Illinois. Uh yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting 297 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: because he was he he was also really well known 298 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: at University of Sioux Falls from oh five to oh 299 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: nine for like never losing sixty seven and three three 300 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: ni AI national championships. And there's a lot of guys 301 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter what level you're at. If you 302 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: can coach, you can coach. He has not lost ten 303 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: games George in his career. Really really, he's seventy nine 304 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: and nine. That's very very respectable. Due I think bad 305 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: is it's not bad. I mean it's not gonna be. 306 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: That's not gonna be, uh the road he's owing at 307 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: at Washington at least not for a couple of years. 308 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: But coaches can if you can coach, you can coach. Yep. 309 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be a matter of does he have 310 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: the right staff in place that can that can recruit 311 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: in a way that is sustainable. Because that's that's what 312 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: I think they ran into, is they got a guy 313 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: in that wasn't necessarily didn't have the network, didn't have 314 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of experience, had really only been a recruiter, 315 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: but didn't jump into the situation the way Kristo bald 316 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: did to where I'm the face of the program. I'm 317 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna be the hardest working guy, you know, in order 318 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: to commit, it's got to go through me and everybody else. 319 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by his uh, the top of their field 320 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: as a coach. You know, That's not what Washington did. 321 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: They had a guy with limit resources who was like, well, 322 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: I need a guy that's called plays before, so they 323 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: bringing an offensive coordinator that had called plays before. We 324 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: have been fired multiple times and you end up in 325 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: the situation that you end up in. So you know, 326 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: I I think, I think it's a good higher but 327 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: it's risky. But at the same time, I don't think 328 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that they weren't gonna go out and 329 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: make a splash and spend Brian Kelly money. Right, Yeah, 330 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: So that's that that's their limitation, and I think based 331 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: on that limitation alone, they probably got the best guy. 332 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: Interesting enough, if Jane or Vell goes ten and two 333 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: instead of eight and four at Nevada this year, he's 334 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: probably the right guy. So it's it's kind of weird, uh, 335 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: what the conditions are to hire. Um when you're basing 336 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: it on the amount of success somebody had in a 337 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: specific year, you would hope that it would be based 338 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: on sustained success. And Kaylin de Boer is another one 339 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: of those guys that's he's only been a head coach 340 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: at the highest level for two years and the last 341 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: time he was a head coach before that was two 342 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: thousand nine. Mm hmmm mmm. Yeah, So I think we 343 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: both agree that It's a good hire for Washington. Now 344 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: onto the biggest, the biggest higher, and that is um, 345 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley going to USC. This came out of nowhere. 346 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: The USC insiders that I've talked to, who usually have 347 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: a very close beat on everything in the program, they 348 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: were like, bro, we thought that after you had you know, 349 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: James Franklin say that he was staying mel Tucker like 350 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: all the big name coaches that signed extinches, they thought 351 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: that they were gonna get Matt Campbell, which is clearly 352 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: a good coach and would have won, but it would 353 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: have been more like a Kalin Debor hire at Washington 354 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: than like they wouldn't have won the press conference on 355 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: the aime level that they did with Lincoln Riley. But 356 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: from everything that I've learned, uh that Lincoln Riley opposed 357 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: vehemently Oklahoma going to the big going to the SEC. 358 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: He fought it as hard as he could and they 359 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: did it anyway, and that's what opened up his flirtatious side. 360 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: And so, UM, I love this higher for USC. I 361 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: think that they could not have done better. Um, it's 362 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: going to immediately give them a big boost in recruiting 363 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: already has Yeah, Yeah, they got Relief Brown to commit. Uh, 364 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna get uh Malachi Nelson, the top quarterback and 365 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: McKay lemon his UH wide receiver from modern day as 366 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: well to commit. So I'm super super I mean, it 367 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a big deal. And but there 368 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: are people who are of who are like, oh, this 369 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: is going to this is terrible for us. This is 370 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve is over. Lincoln Riley's gonna run the 371 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve. And I'm like slow to held out. He 372 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: still has never had a great defense at Oklahoma. He's 373 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: bringing Alex Grinch with him playing cover four. This is 374 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: not a layup. Have you seen his offense the last 375 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: to two seasons. They've struggled. So I'm not getting ready 376 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: to sit over here and act like the struggled the 377 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: way Oregon struggled, struggled their way to ten wins. Yeah. 378 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: But but but I'm saying like that. But you're right, 379 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: it's not over. The book's not closed on the Pack twelve. Correct. 380 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: I think the team that has been hurt the most 381 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: by him coming to the Pack twelve is Arizona State. Yes, 382 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: in in one way, they were hurt in the way 383 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: that they want to be the best team in the 384 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Pack twelve South, that door is closed. Yeah, they missed 385 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: their window. They missed their window in the way that 386 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: like Arizona State's best players used to be guys that 387 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: uh USC didn't have room for in their recruiting class. 388 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: They'll probably be helped because people are gonna want to 389 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: stick around the Pack twelve when there's more than just 390 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: one supermarketable good team. Yeah, it was weird. It was 391 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: like people people were running as far as they could 392 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: away from USC because they didn't want to have anything 393 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: to do with with Clay Hilton, which is crazy because 394 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: he you know, it's still USC, Like it still would 395 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: have benefited them in some way even to go out 396 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: there and go eight and four or whatever. And if 397 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: they had banded together, they might have you know, been 398 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: a been a ten win team every other season or whatever. 399 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: And they still did have some success, but they did 400 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: it with a lot of kids that that you know, 401 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have even been recruiting if the ones 402 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: they wanted UM weren't either going to Oregon or leaving 403 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: the conference altogether. Yep. And I think a rising tie 404 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: lifts all ships. So the idea, so if Lincoln Riley comes, 405 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: and that gets more recruits to stay out West. They're 406 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: not only gonna go to USC, They're gonna be like, oh, 407 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: I'll go to u c l A. There's better players. 408 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: And so the idea that oh, there's not good players 409 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: in the back assuming U c l A recruits them, right, 410 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: actually recruit them. Yeah, So I don't know this. This 411 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: guy's this, This guy's hand measurement is nine and three 412 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: quarters instead of ten, Like, yeah, but he's a five star. Yeah, 413 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: but he's got a quarter inch two small hands pass. 414 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: That's the type of craft that Chip Kelly has been 415 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: doing for the last four years. And so now you're 416 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna have Oregon, who's recruiting extremely well that that's not 417 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna stop. Yes, there's gonna be some more competition for 418 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: the for those kids. But if Oregon can beat USC, 419 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: because they play them next year while while while USC 420 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: is at a deficit as still and and they're gonna 421 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: turn around and play u c l A the following 422 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: year and then USC the year after that. So now 423 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Oregans has an opportunity to keep their recruiting momentum going. 424 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: I think this is a great hire for USC, but 425 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't I mean It's not bad for Utah at 426 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: all because you talk doesn't really like that's not who 427 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: Uh Whittingham goes after. I don't know why I always 428 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: want to call him Tyrone Whittingham. Uh, that man is 429 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: on your mind all the time. All he did was 430 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: going twelve yeah. So um yeah, so yeah, so you have, 431 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: but you's not going to be impacted. Um, not really. 432 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: Arizona is not in the market for five star kids 433 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: at this point, so they're not that like they're gonna 434 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: be low four star high three star kids, so they're 435 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: not gonna be impacted. Um. Colorado is kind of more 436 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: as Arizona, like somewhere in between Arizona and Utah recruiting 437 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: the really trying to make a home in Texas, Colorado 438 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: has kind of Colorado has kind of been the one 439 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Pack twelve team that has a little bit of a 440 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: foothold in Texas. Yeah, consistent foothold. Correct. And then we 441 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: talked about u C l A already and then we 442 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: talked about Arizona State already, so that that's the Pack 443 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: twelve South and then the PAC twelve North. It doesn't 444 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: impact Washington State or Oregon State at all, right, right, Um, 445 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: it impacts, and we already talked about the Oregon impact Washington. 446 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: It may have somewhat of an impact for someone like 447 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: the four star guys that would normally go up there 448 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: on defense and all of that that they get from 449 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area. Maybe a little bit of an 450 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: impact there. Uh, Stanford, I mean, is there an impact 451 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: on Stanford? I don't even know. It's I don't even 452 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: know what Stanford is doing in terms of football. Not really. 453 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Stanford still its own to even the Stanford was successful, 454 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: there's still their own thing. I think I think it 455 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: affects Arizona State, and I think it it makes things 456 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: interesting with Oregon, which is what we want. It's really 457 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: what we want. We want, we want the end of 458 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: the season. You know, you look at all these conference 459 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: championships that are about to be played, and it's a 460 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: bunch of like eight ranked team versus ten ranked team, 461 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: third ranked team versus fifth ranked team. And then you 462 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: have the Pack twelve, right, which is like ten versus 463 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. No, it's ten versus fourteen. They 464 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: really gave Utah alright, alright, alright, I would like is 465 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: San Diego State ranked ahead of Utah? Eleven? And one, 466 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: did you know San Diego State has never won eleven 467 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: games before? I did not know that. But to answer 468 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: your question, no, Utah has ranked in front of San 469 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Diego State. M M. I don't know about that. I 470 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: don't went over time or whatever, but I think you 471 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: gotta get Sandygo say some respect for what they did 472 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: this year. Um. But yeah, so, I mean I I 473 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: look at UH, I look at what USC did. I'm impressed. 474 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: I do wonder if they're gonna keep Dante. He's still 475 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: acting like the coach he still had, Like he still 476 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: lectured them for thirty minutes yesterday about their upcoming game. Ps. 477 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: They still have another game to play with cal It's 478 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: basically there that that he's dude, imagine coaching games and 479 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, guys, I know that this is gonna 480 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: be our last time together. But but Dante Williams had 481 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: been telling recruits that he may be retained as the 482 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: head coach when everybody else knew that he wasn't so right. 483 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: And he's bringing over Alex Gritch to run the defense. 484 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: So how does that work, Ralph? Because if you are 485 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Dante Williams, you're not gonna be the defensive coordinator. I 486 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: think he's bringing over his defensive backs coach. So where 487 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: where is there a place for you? That's not a 488 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: super huge demotion. That's recruiting only special teams. That's a 489 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: huge emotion. Bro. And he's and it's not like he's 490 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: gonna name him, no, Bro, he's not gonna name him 491 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: assistant head coach. He doesn't even know him like that. 492 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: All right? So who should be on the phone with 493 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: Dante immediately? Who should be trying to get Dante Williams Washington, Arizona, Oregon? 494 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Can I give you one? Because I don't think that 495 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: Dante should. Oh my god, you ce l A. That's where? 496 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god. If I if I was Chip, I 497 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: would be like, yo, I need you over here, bro hey, 498 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: because he will close the deal and he'll do what 499 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Chip doesn't want to do, which is recruited. Well, i'll 500 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: tell you this, Colorado States open right now. I don't 501 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: think Dante william would be a good a Colorado State. 502 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: It's a weird job. But I do think that Jane Orvell, 503 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: because he didn't get Washington. He didn't get Washington State. 504 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Reno is a hard place to coach. It would not 505 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: surprise me, if Jane Orvell went for the Colorado State job, 506 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if the man that wanted 507 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: the Colorado State job two years ago, Todd Graham, tries 508 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: to leave Hawaii for it. I think that if maybe 509 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: not Hawaii, because again Hawaii is also a weird job. 510 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: I think let's say that Jane Orvell jumps from Nevada 511 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: to Colorado State hypothetically. I don't know. If you're Dante Williams, 512 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to step down once 513 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: you had a taste of what it's like to be 514 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: in charge, maybe that's what you want to do. Had 515 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: a job that nev had a job or l V 516 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: if they let go of Arroyo, Yeah, yeah, that's possible. 517 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: We might have to wait a year for that. He 518 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: could sit out, he could say he could sit out 519 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: and court suitors and and figure things out. Or sometimes 520 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: if you sit out that you know that create issues 521 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: for you know, whether or not you're in demand or whatever. 522 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: But I do know he'll be in in in huge demand. 523 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't think if I was him, I would want 524 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: to go back to being a position coach after being 525 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: a head coach for almost a full season. Um when 526 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: you didn't get fired like you know, like a lot 527 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: of other coaches do. Last one I want to hit 528 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: on because there was a rumored coaching change that never 529 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: took place, and it has resulted in retaining the starting 530 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: quarterback uh instead of you know, the most infamous quarterback 531 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: in college football joining up UM and that is Herm Edwards. 532 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: Was not fired, which he never was going to be UM, 533 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: but Ray Anderson was not fired. Therefore, Herm Edwards did 534 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: not retire. He stuck around, and Jaden Daniels has decided 535 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: to come back at Arizona State. It's not technically a 536 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: coaching move, but it is. What do you think about 537 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: Arizona State running it back under the scrutiny of the 538 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: investigation with the same head coach, probably the same EC, 539 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe the same OC even though he's up for the 540 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Auburn job. What do you think of that? Ah? This 541 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: feels like throwing good money after bad like it. It's like, 542 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: what's what's going And you're an Arizona State guy? So yeah, 543 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: what could possibly happen next year to make this feel 544 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: like a success. I don't think that happened next year. Yes, 545 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling yes that like that keeping the band back together, Like, 546 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: how did double digit wins would be the best thing. 547 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's thinking that they got a shot 548 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: to win the South because there graduating a lot of 549 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: the defensive backs who helped get them there. They're getting 550 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Jermaine Lola back, that's good, But the linebackers are gonna 551 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: be new. Defensive backs gonna be new. Probably have to 552 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: get a new DVS coach. Uh, they lost Chip train him. 553 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: They're running back um Rashod White declared for the draft 554 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: and sent me at three paragraph DM declare for the draft. 555 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: Shod White declared for the draft and then let me 556 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: know that he didn't like that. I didn't think he 557 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: was um uh Conference player of the year material, But 558 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. It's all respect. I still 559 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: think he's the best running back to the back twelve. 560 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: He was just hurt. Um. How does he declare for 561 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: the end of I don't know. He had a thousand 562 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: six yards rushing George. He is good. He is good, 563 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he's not good. I'm not saying 564 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: that he's not good. He's technically a senior. It's one 565 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: of those you could be a senior if you wanted 566 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: two things. I don't know here. Here's what I think HERM. 567 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: Edwards kind of eluded several times when he came in 568 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: that it was a five year gig. A lot of 569 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: Arizona State fans thought that they would give that job 570 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: to Danny Gonzalez. When it was all said and done, 571 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: Danni Gonzalez went and took the job at his alma 572 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: mater at New Mexico UM, which I don't know if 573 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: that scares you, George about Mario Cristobal in Miami. But 574 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: Danie Zalez took the job at New Mexico and they 575 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: elevated Antonio Pierce and then started talking about him being 576 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: the next head coach. That's probably not gonna happen now, 577 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: given everything that's happened. But maybe, I mean, windows still 578 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: cracked a little bit there. Um. But if they have 579 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: to make a change next year, and its wholesale change, 580 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: I understand it because making a change this year would 581 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: have been really tough. This would not the year to 582 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: go into the head coaching market. It really wasn't, especially 583 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: when you don't know if you're gonna have sanctions or whatever. 584 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: So maybe running it back is the right thing to do. 585 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: The players like herm Um, I was talking to a 586 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: college coach. I was talking to a college coach the 587 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: other day and they're like, you know, what do you 588 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: think of you know, how the players feel about her Edwards? 589 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, they like her, they like 590 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: the position coaches that are close to their age, But 591 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: like I like the people that are my age that 592 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: watched the same TV shows as me. That doesn't mean 593 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: I want to work for them, or it doesn't mean 594 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: they'd get the best out of me, you know. So 595 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where they got to I 596 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: don't know, they got a couple of really good coaches 597 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: on staff. I really like Robert Rodriguez, their defensive line coach. 598 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: I think he make a good head coach. But I 599 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: don't know. It's a snooze button, an indefinite snooze. Like 600 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: if you hit the snooze button and it wasn't nine minutes, 601 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: it was just a random amount of time. That's that's 602 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: what Arizona State did. Hit the random snooze And I 603 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what that means for them, 604 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: even though they're gonna have Jane Daniels back, a lot 605 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: of the same receivers. They're gonna get their whole class 606 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: recruiting class out of the portal. But we'll get more 607 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: into a season ending um diagnostic of all twelve teams, 608 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: plus a recap of the Pack twelve championship on next 609 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: week's episode. We just wanted to make sure that we 610 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: checked in, talked about some of the coaching changes, and 611 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: we'll find out if Mario krystal Ball is still the 612 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: head coach of Borgan when we return. He will still 613 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: be the head coach, even though he's gonna go uh 614 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: full fat Joe after beating Utah yesterday. His prices are 615 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: not today's prices, all right? Last question, last question, if 616 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham wins, if they win, because it's about to 617 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: kick off in a couple of hours, there's rumors of 618 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: him retiring. Do you think that could happen? Yes, but Um, 619 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: he may have to retire without a win because he 620 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: won't be beating Oregon today because they are mad mad 621 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: bro give me a replacement because it can't be his 622 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: d C. I don't think not. Who would be a 623 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: replacement for Winningham said? Would Sataki make the jump for me? Why? 624 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: You absolutely not? No, No, Um, Utah head coach Dante Williams. 625 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, hell no, Bro, he'll never fit, he'll never 626 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: reach that, bro. Um. Okay, so maybe okay, so and 627 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe somebody for maybe b y US offensive coordinator. Oh 628 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: he's great. Yeah, you can't say anything bad about him 629 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: if you're a Pack twelve fan whooped our asses exactly exactly. 630 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: Um yeah, um m, that's all we got right, that's it. Yeah, Okay. 631 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: Finally prediction for the Pack twelve conference game championship games, 632 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: so we can have it on record. Okay, um four Oregon, Okay, 633 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: I got it. Thirty four to twenty four Oregon. Wow, 634 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: we just watched a thirty seven point Utah win and 635 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: neither one of us is respecting. It's hard to be 636 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: a team twice though, Yes, especially in close proximity. And 637 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: when you kick their ass, they're they're pulling out all stops, 638 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: bro um yea as long as they run the ball, 639 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: as long it's not seven touches for Travis Dye. Oh 640 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: they they will, bro, they will run this foot football. Um, 641 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: you guys, Dad's packed twelve apostiles. I'm George Rice or 642 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: he's Ralph Fams in peace out catch you guys, next week, 643 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: earlier