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Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Now your hosts Nicky Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's a
Speaker 1: fabulous Friday inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Prisco, Texas, as we get you ready for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the Los Angeles Rams. It is a
Speaker 1: busy Friday morning, right, Mickey Spagnola, very busy. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that, I'm the hallway. You can just feel
Speaker 1: the energy. Yeah, a good thing. They have the Wednesday's
Speaker 1: Child or whatever they know, what is it? Uh not
Speaker 1: Wednesday's Child guy. The people that come in for visits,
Speaker 1: um make a wish. Thank you. Somebody knows that. Anyway
Speaker 1: that's going on, and you got tours because you know
Speaker 1: it's a home game. Everybody shows up. And when the
Speaker 1: guy said, and Bill Jones, we should have had that
Speaker 1: in a talics, right, Welcome back, sir, It's good to
Speaker 1: be back and have you Bill. Bill wasn't here for
Speaker 1: the you know my induction. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally official. Now you had an induction. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I had sexual labor, had a reduction. Poor guy. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Everson was signing the paperwork during the show. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: he's got a badge and we even got him reading
Speaker 1: right right. It's like a college style commitment ceremony, National
Speaker 1: signing day, all right, and he's doing the stop asking me,
Speaker 1: asking me at the front of the building. I can
Speaker 1: just walk in that without I thought you were getting
Speaker 1: that day. The lady just wanted to say hi to you.
Speaker 1: I thought, no, come back you. I'm okay, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: So we got some ground rules. Okay, no what Mike,
Speaker 1: uh Mike frand Sessa, Yeah we got we don't want
Speaker 1: any of that, you know, no silent but deadly uh omissions.
Speaker 1: You understanding? Yeah what he did? They they're passing passing
Speaker 1: the gas in the podcast rum. We don't want that.
Speaker 1: We are not did yes apparently, Yeah, he was the
Speaker 1: only one in studio right head him continued, it's a
Speaker 1: d sorry, this dog wasn't in the room. So we're
Speaker 1: not having none of that. That's my only ground case,
Speaker 1: all right, very good, we can move on. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. I had a little proceed you're done
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and um, I guess I can. I can
Speaker 1: go ahead and say what I had done if you
Speaker 1: want to. All right, and my gall blinder removed on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: And Bill, that's just like pulling a mouth or something,
Speaker 1: you know, like Boil probably would have felt like, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, it's it's actually not that bad. Yeah. In fact,
Speaker 1: I have not outside of Edville. I've been on no
Speaker 1: pain medications to do that. I feel the prescription and
Speaker 1: then it it was like it's opener than not getting Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so are you quite watching Sunday or what? Are you
Speaker 1: good to go? I'm good to go. I'm good to go.
Speaker 1: I reserve extra proceed you're done this morning? We want scared?
Speaker 1: I guess I won't say what. Yeah, I think we're right, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, it's no big deal. But it was just
Speaker 1: a follow up this morning. Yeah, yours telling us there's
Speaker 1: no one listen, Yeah, right, there's a tour group right outside.
Speaker 1: The speakers do go out in the hall. We're good
Speaker 1: waiting to hear the diagnosis. Right, it's all good with us,
Speaker 1: all right, So tell me what Jason Garrett said. Oh
Speaker 1: what did he say? It sounds like sounds like Sean
Speaker 1: Lee might be iffy for this game. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I was wondering as I was watching from a distance.
Speaker 1: And he's not participating in practice all week. What did
Speaker 1: you think by what he said? Well, it sounds he's
Speaker 1: not practicing today. He basically said, yeah, maybe limited, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Usually Friday is his day off anyway, more of a
Speaker 1: rest day. But he's already had DMB two days and right,
Speaker 1: so see how he puts this is obviously a new
Speaker 1: new development because we didn't even talk about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: We had no idea. Well, he's he's got a couple
Speaker 1: of things. He's got a thigh issue and a pectoral
Speaker 1: injury that I believe he's been dealing with, he said,
Speaker 1: for a little bit throughout this year. That hasn't prevented
Speaker 1: him from playing. So for that reason, to me, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit optimism. He can go veteran guy, but
Speaker 1: you'd like to get some practice in, right, Well, that
Speaker 1: has a lot to do ye practice Wednesday or Thursday,
Speaker 1: he said, he probably not doing much. Well, here's how
Speaker 1: he put it. He said he's making progress, and then
Speaker 1: he said interpret that as you will. He won't practice today,
Speaker 1: So I interpret that is this this is highly questionable.
Speaker 1: Then are you going to interpret that that at when
Speaker 1: the injury report comes out this afternoon, what will he
Speaker 1: be listed as for the game? Questionable? Questionable, but it
Speaker 1: may say DNP DNP DNP. So that that's making like hopeful.
Speaker 1: But you know the NFL is really cracking down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the teams and the injury reports. Everybody's trying to
Speaker 1: be slick. That that's probably another Belichick wull right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was always very tricky. And there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of people on the injury report this week at guys
Speaker 1: not for the ram the fine hundred's right, Uh, was
Speaker 1: more than that some teams. The Lions got Matthew Stafford. Yeah, Stafford.
Speaker 1: So they had eight starting limited on Wednesday. Two went
Speaker 1: to full yesterday Heath and there was one of the Pollard.
Speaker 1: Yeah still yesterday six guys were limited. Um, so I
Speaker 1: would imagine those limited guys are good to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounded I asked about Chris Jones because who's his
Speaker 1: backup at punter. Sounds like he's okay, boy, we came
Speaker 1: up with a lot of scenarios on Chris Jones, We're
Speaker 1: gonna make it. Antoine Woods is a putter I was on.
Speaker 1: I was moving on it. He's limited, but sounds like
Speaker 1: they're optimistic he could get back depending on how things
Speaker 1: go the next couple of days. But a linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: I assume Laate Vanderesh is going to be ruled out today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if he is, then then um, without Sean you're
Speaker 1: looking at Joe Thomas and Luke Gifford, who I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how many defensive snaps he's gotten this year, but
Speaker 1: it's not many, and he would have to play a
Speaker 1: lot in this game if there's no Sean Lee and
Speaker 1: assuming no late Vanderesh, keep talking and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: on Luke Gifford how many defensive snaps I try to
Speaker 1: chart this as the season goes along, he played any
Speaker 1: he came in maybe way I got him down for none.
Speaker 1: I've got him all special teams snaps this season, and
Speaker 1: they like him. But you're facing a Rams team that
Speaker 1: we talked about during the week that is starting to
Speaker 1: get back their rhythm, hit their strides to get Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley involved and everything kind of flows off of that,
Speaker 1: the official chart here says zero percent. There you go.
Speaker 1: I gave the official chart. This is the official chart
Speaker 1: right here. Special teams snaps. All right, all hands on
Speaker 1: deck and lightenbacker. Now, I remember back in eighty seven
Speaker 1: he had to play the Cardinals. That's one of the
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals, and they were the offense was kind
Speaker 1: of amazing. Roy Green. That's a real game. Now, that's
Speaker 1: a real game. Yeah, we were coming down the stretch
Speaker 1: and they were going for the playoffs. When we sucked
Speaker 1: at in eighty seven, we didn't do much. We were
Speaker 1: not in the playoff picture. So here they come to
Speaker 1: Dallas and we've got two outside linebackers the backups. And
Speaker 1: then we're talking about Henry Marsh was a tight end.
Speaker 1: We're talking about J. T. Smith was a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Roy Green, O J Anderson's in the backfield. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a great squad. I don't know how we
Speaker 1: did it, but we won that game. That was the
Speaker 1: most satisfying victory I think I've ever had. Steve Diazzi
Speaker 1: is playing outside line. He did Steve dias plan. Jeff
Speaker 1: Roor was the other line I remember. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: remember that, how amazing that is that we still won
Speaker 1: that game. Remember, so that's one of those games where
Speaker 1: you are, how did we do it? How did these
Speaker 1: linebackers stand up? And they played amazing football. We just
Speaker 1: kept it simple. So this let's hope that this is
Speaker 1: one of those moments where those linebackers can come in
Speaker 1: and keep it simple, keep the game playing to a minimum.
Speaker 1: You don't have to think too much, and just let
Speaker 1: those guys just go with their athletic abuilding. That'd be
Speaker 1: really last last game of the season in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven against the Saint Louis Cardinals, a twenty one sixteen
Speaker 1: Cowboys through so told them to seven and eight. Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, yeah, we were, we were. That was
Speaker 1: one game winning streak I think we had, and two
Speaker 1: of those wins the were the replacement games. Okay, Mack,
Speaker 1: thanks much. You said you said it was a season
Speaker 1: I just wanted to emphaside it wasn't. By the way,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the most sensational defensive effort in the world. Statistically,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals had four hundred and twenty two yards of
Speaker 1: offense that day. They scored sixteen. That's yeah. Aldel Greco
Speaker 1: had three field goals for the Cardinals that day. We
Speaker 1: held them down. Baby Roy Green did Roy scoring uh
Speaker 1: seven catches one hundred and twelve yards, no touchdown. J T.
Speaker 1: Smith had a touchdown. That's a victory for that's a
Speaker 1: victory then, all right? With Steve Pulluric quarterback passing for
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two yards. See with one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two yards passing, I'm gonna tell me that
Speaker 1: wasn't a satisfying victory. That is a defensive effort right there,
Speaker 1: and with backup outside line had never played outside linebacker
Speaker 1: since maybe junior high and junior high in junior has
Speaker 1: probably the biggest kill on the team. No one or
Speaker 1: they moved Randy White back to life backer. No, we
Speaker 1: didn't go that far. We did not go that far,
Speaker 1: but definitely satis. How long has a disc been in
Speaker 1: the league with Steve and Zach going back like thirty years?
Speaker 1: Never since nineteen eighty four, right, yeah, thirty five years
Speaker 1: have probably been. And he taught he signed them the
Speaker 1: magic the magic position deep snapper. You can get the
Speaker 1: scottarship and deep snapper. You can get a salary and
Speaker 1: deep snapper. You can play seventeen years as a deep
Speaker 1: snapper and not have to touch a soul, especially now
Speaker 1: with the with the new rules exactly now they can't
Speaker 1: be two hundred and thirty pounds be a deep snapper
Speaker 1: now fifteen. Yeah, he's made himself a lot of money. Wow,
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Who was a health strake was?
Speaker 1: How long you go? Seventeen into his forties? I believe right, Wow,
Speaker 1: HELLI played a long so they just couldn't run down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you. He realistic. We love it, man, But
Speaker 1: that's a great position. Do you talk about it? Don't
Speaker 1: make me laugh? You know, Hellistrate was dued perfect before
Speaker 1: that stuff started, because it would that would day. I'll
Speaker 1: trust you know who do perfect. They wanted to see.
Speaker 1: They wanted to see if Hellish Drake could snap the
Speaker 1: ball through a car, a moving car through the window.
Speaker 1: Nice and Edie did nice. Yeah, you know photography, the
Speaker 1: walk up there to the ranch there or where you
Speaker 1: guys came in. He was on that and the car
Speaker 1: drove by Ando, right, that's very cool. Yeah. Yeah, So Rob,
Speaker 1: did you draw the assignment to listen to Jerry on
Speaker 1: the radio this morning? I did not. That was David Hellman,
Speaker 1: but he was trying to multitask in I don't know
Speaker 1: if I did well or not. Didn't you hear anything
Speaker 1: of note? Um? What was the one I told? Was?
Speaker 1: At the end he said something I don't remember about coaching.
Speaker 1: You know what? They started talking a lot on a
Speaker 1: major league baseball oh, in the marijuana agreement for dropping
Speaker 1: testing for marijuana in baseball and even in the minor leagues.
Speaker 1: And he knew, Jerry, he's gonna get headlines on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and started he didn't make anything declarative thing. You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing he kept saying and referring to, he goes,
Speaker 1: you know what we do in the NFL, we try
Speaker 1: to draw attention to ourselves and and and he said it, so,
Speaker 1: if you want to draw attention to yourself, sometimes the
Speaker 1: attention is not good. But you know, I think he
Speaker 1: learned longer time ago from text that any attention is
Speaker 1: good attention, regardless if it's good or bad. So he said,
Speaker 1: and and and he basically said, you know, if we
Speaker 1: want the all that good attention, and sometimes we've got
Speaker 1: to deal with the bad attention, and we can't run
Speaker 1: for it. You know, we've got to be an example
Speaker 1: for what's going on out there. So he was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, saying, well, yeah, it's good that they're doing that,
Speaker 1: but maybe we need to set an example kind of
Speaker 1: uh hinted at that in what way, meaning to continue
Speaker 1: continue testing? Yeah, continue testing? Yeah, yeah, okay, and how
Speaker 1: is that? But but I mean, I guess you can test.
Speaker 1: I guess you you know, maybe you have to back
Speaker 1: off on what the punishment is because no league punishes
Speaker 1: their players like the NFL does. If you think about it,
Speaker 1: and if you think about the NFL, the most injuries,
Speaker 1: you know, the pain that you have to go through,
Speaker 1: the more collisions, all of that, you would think that
Speaker 1: they'd be more empathetic to athletes that that indulged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I didn't hear the whole thing. I just cut.
Speaker 1: I just cut. So those baseball players, they have a
Speaker 1: lot of injuries they have to deal with, right, That's
Speaker 1: why they stopped detesting. Is that what they're saying? Standing around? Yeah,
Speaker 1: standing around and hurt your back. Yeah, ball might hit
Speaker 1: him in the stomach. Well you have one opiate death
Speaker 1: and now it's like, okay, we got to take care
Speaker 1: of this. Well is that what is that? What? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think that was waiting on. Well, you see, that's
Speaker 1: the point. What are you waiting on? There's always a
Speaker 1: drastic moment, some dramatic moment that's pretty much is unnecessary
Speaker 1: really when with the information that we have at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to get out of the fifties
Speaker 1: and yeah, and kind of grow up as a league.
Speaker 1: The other thing, because you caught part of it apparent
Speaker 1: I'm checking on Twitter, he was asked about certain college
Speaker 1: coaches that are success Yes, you know, on the subject
Speaker 1: of Jason Garrett's job security and guys that are being
Speaker 1: bandied about as possible options if the Cowboys go in
Speaker 1: a different direction after the season, and what do you say,
Speaker 1: Bill John Mchoda has got him quoted. Jerry Jones was
Speaker 1: very complimentary of Lincoln Riley and Matt Rule on one
Speaker 1: to five three The Fan this morning, but then he
Speaker 1: pointed out quote college coaches have the lowest percentage rate
Speaker 1: of success taking over his NFL head coaches, adding that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went one in fifteen and Jimmy Johnson's first season,
Speaker 1: there you go. Wow. College coaches spend Sundays working In
Speaker 1: many cases, they aren't that familiar with the NFL personnel,
Speaker 1: now that's a big deal. You pay a price for
Speaker 1: somebody to get up to date that hasn't spent the
Speaker 1: prior years, months or years in the NFL. And I
Speaker 1: think there's definitely something to be said for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you talk to a lot of college coaches, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have no idea what's going on in the NFL
Speaker 1: because there that's a huge work day for college coaches.
Speaker 1: So he's absolutely right. I guess maybe the one advantage
Speaker 1: would be, because Jimmy had this right, you're evaluating having
Speaker 1: recruited those players at draft when out of school. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. And when you have a bundle
Speaker 1: of draft picks like they ended up having, then the
Speaker 1: draft was very important for those first two or three years.
Speaker 1: It won't be another herschel Walker, No, absolutely not. Yeap
Speaker 1: out fifteen guys, but they were kind of ahead of
Speaker 1: the game there for a couple of years with I
Speaker 1: mean some of those guys they were recruiting to go
Speaker 1: to Miami, so they were kind of familiar with And
Speaker 1: we talked about this, Uh in the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: who was the last head coach, the college head coach
Speaker 1: that was successful in the NFL baba. I think that's
Speaker 1: who we came up with. Yeah, got a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: Jim harbab. Does Pete Carroll count because he was he
Speaker 1: was in New England coach and was previous NFL. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't count Pete Carroll because of that, because he
Speaker 1: had the previous a long time in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to thank coach Saban didn't have success and Jimmy Dolphins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't get that he had previous NFL coach. The
Speaker 1: winning season was the winning season for Saban. I know
Speaker 1: it was on five hundred. I can't remember something around that.
Speaker 1: And he only lasted what two three I think it
Speaker 1: was maybe just two years? Two years? Two? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know to LSU with Jason Garrett on his staff. That's
Speaker 1: correct a matter of fact. Wow, yeah, yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: know that. I not. They hired him as the quarterback
Speaker 1: coach and he was there for two seasons. I think
Speaker 1: Belichick and and Saban uh on hbobo. Yeah, I heard
Speaker 1: him on it. I need to look at oh come on, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for all you did for those guys. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break and we're gonna come back and
Speaker 1: we're gonna dive into these Los Angeles rams when we
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Speaker 1: slash Santa. So do Christmas Eve a week from Tuesday?
Speaker 1: All right, have you done your Christmas shopping? Mickey? It
Speaker 1: kind of dawned on me when I was walking in
Speaker 1: the day. It's like we might have to push Christmas back. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I never do it until like Christmas Eve. I never
Speaker 1: do it period. Yeah, yeah, I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: people do it for me. I'm getting text right now
Speaker 1: from my daughters asking about things that I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: have gotten I just passed the text on. Yep, kind
Speaker 1: of been laid up this week. I'm sorry I haven't
Speaker 1: say yeah yeah, especially since you know Christmas is on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: it's a work day for the Cowboys. It is a
Speaker 1: this is an odd holiday season. There's no doubt a
Speaker 1: few six fewer days. I think they said there's something
Speaker 1: like that, six fewer shopping days. Oh yeah, because thanks
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving late. Okay, So what what needs to happen for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to have a merry Christmas this year? About
Speaker 1: what's going to happen between now and Christmas Day? Okay,
Speaker 1: you got a game on Sunday against the Rams, and
Speaker 1: then you got the all important game at Philadelphia three
Speaker 1: days before Christmas. Well, without a bunch of detail, for me,
Speaker 1: I would continue with the path I was on. They
Speaker 1: need to keep things extremely simple for themselves right now.
Speaker 1: Just allow their players to play. I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: do that. I remember Tom Landry letting us do that
Speaker 1: several times. Yes, we have the flex defense and were
Speaker 1: all about coordination, but there were a couple of games
Speaker 1: where we just said, you know what, just let that
Speaker 1: D line go. Just let them go through the gaps,
Speaker 1: let them run their stunts, and then we'll see what happens,
Speaker 1: because at that point nothing was working. And if you're
Speaker 1: at that point where the Cowboys, where nothing is working,
Speaker 1: then just let the players themselves be free and unencumbered
Speaker 1: by the mental aspect of the game. Let's just go
Speaker 1: out there and be physical and without even worrying about
Speaker 1: mistakes and things of that nature. That's the way that's
Speaker 1: to me, that's the best way for them to go
Speaker 1: because they've tried everything else. They've tried everything else and
Speaker 1: had worked. And the question came up to him in
Speaker 1: the press conference. Everybody knows what you do defensively. It's
Speaker 1: too simple, so that they said, that's what somebody I
Speaker 1: think they said. Troy Aikman said that the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: what they do on defense and they don't change things up.
Speaker 1: And his answer was, well, we were always, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to be have variety in what you do, but
Speaker 1: that you might have a good point there. Instead of
Speaker 1: you know, the linebackers, you know, rushing into a gap
Speaker 1: and getting in the wrong one, Well, how about just
Speaker 1: standing there and read for a little while. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can protect yourself better. Because that defensive lines not protecting you.
Speaker 1: I would have to say that that along with the simplicity,
Speaker 1: more aggression, blitz a lot more just go we had
Speaker 1: nothing to lose, right, we have nothing to lose. You're
Speaker 1: not stop rushers every time. I would come up with
Speaker 1: a variety of blitzes to put the pressure on because
Speaker 1: when it comes down to a golf and that pretty
Speaker 1: much the same. Like most quarterbacks, as good as they are,
Speaker 1: they do not like pressure. Pressure changes things in that pocket.
Speaker 1: So we need to we need to put the onus
Speaker 1: on their offense. See if you can stop us from
Speaker 1: pressuring you because we're coming who We're coming at you.
Speaker 1: That's the attitude they need to have. We are coming
Speaker 1: at you. That'd be nice. Hey, that's a nice t shirt.
Speaker 1: We're coming at you, coming at you. Yeah. And golf
Speaker 1: is a little different than the guys that they've had
Speaker 1: trouble with the last couple of weeks because he's not
Speaker 1: as mobile. He's more of a stationary guy. If they
Speaker 1: can knock him off their off his spot, they've got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to, you know, tee off a little bit.
Speaker 1: Maybe that helps everything else, but they haven't. I agree
Speaker 1: with you, guys, they got to let loose. They got
Speaker 1: to play free, they got to do all those things,
Speaker 1: but they got to maintain some level of discipline in
Speaker 1: terms of tackling and those that that's been the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: It's not just some of the runs they've given up
Speaker 1: or the catches they've been given up. It's it's the
Speaker 1: yards per catch, a lot of open field tackle that
Speaker 1: haven't been made. This is a bad team to face
Speaker 1: if you're having those types of issues. Because another he's
Speaker 1: just another minneso of the Viking running back with the
Speaker 1: young kid from Florida State, Dalvin. Another cup, it's just
Speaker 1: another cup. The guy can he's low to the ground,
Speaker 1: He's going to hit those gaps and no arm tackling
Speaker 1: is going to bring him down, not one. So let
Speaker 1: me throw this out because this this came up I
Speaker 1: think during the offseason after the Cowboys loss to the Rams,
Speaker 1: about how they get to the line of scrimmage early
Speaker 1: and take advantage of the fifteen seconds you have in
Speaker 1: the quarterback communication helmet with the head coach because it
Speaker 1: cuts off at fifteen, cuts off the fifteen, it starts
Speaker 1: at forty, and how McVeigh will stay get them early,
Speaker 1: see what the defense is doing and then sort of
Speaker 1: like they do in college, and keep changing the signal
Speaker 1: and the defense defenses commit to what they're doing because
Speaker 1: you already have personnelity out there. So d SOA, I mean,
Speaker 1: can that really can help and confuse a defense? Well,
Speaker 1: if nothing else, it it keeps you almost in panic
Speaker 1: mode because you can't be as poised when you're doing
Speaker 1: something that you're not accustomed to. We're reacting to something
Speaker 1: that we're really not accustomed to. Yet we don't have
Speaker 1: the time to sit back. Okay, guys, what's the call? Now,
Speaker 1: you've got the middle linebacker himself. He's going to have
Speaker 1: to make the call on his own if he's not
Speaker 1: sharp enough to get it from the sideline or fast
Speaker 1: enough right before. That's right, so here you you We
Speaker 1: work with signals though back then, right, so, if you
Speaker 1: got the signal, great, but otherwise we would just throw
Speaker 1: a basic signal out there. So it limits the amount
Speaker 1: of it limits the defenses that you can play. We
Speaker 1: on second down and long and then we're thinking a
Speaker 1: certain way, okay, but we we we're also bringing in
Speaker 1: a certain personnel that they have second and long, but
Speaker 1: they're rushing it. Okay, we got the no huddle. Now
Speaker 1: you know, we're not quite sure what personnel we should
Speaker 1: have in, so we play it safe. So it limits
Speaker 1: what you can do from your game plan. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're playing your basic defense, and that's
Speaker 1: what the offense wants. They want to rush up there,
Speaker 1: catch you in the basic defense without a specialized defense,
Speaker 1: and now i'm offensively, I'm the one that has taken
Speaker 1: control of the game. And if their basic offense is
Speaker 1: three wide receivers all the time, it started goes back
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about when you said when
Speaker 1: you played in the Super Bowl against Buffalo, you basically
Speaker 1: played a different defense lineman. That's correct because of the
Speaker 1: past happy formation, because of the no huddle we kept in.
Speaker 1: We will our basic defense for that particular game was
Speaker 1: for just one defensive lineman. The rest linebackers in DBS.
Speaker 1: But the think about them, we saw it in the
Speaker 1: playoff game last year, is they don't necessarily run a
Speaker 1: ton of different stuff. It's just all that window dressing
Speaker 1: pre snap and then ultimately you're not seeing a ton
Speaker 1: of well, they do a lot of different things in
Speaker 1: terms of getting their receivers involved, sweeps, things like that,
Speaker 1: but if they're running the ball, that's their bread and butter.
Speaker 1: And that's when they're able to play off of that.
Speaker 1: Christmas Shard's book about that yesterday. How then that's when
Speaker 1: they bring in the boots and the waggles and all
Speaker 1: those things. It's all predicated off of what they do
Speaker 1: with Todd Gurley. And that's why it's it was kind
Speaker 1: of a shock everything you spoke about this, like novel idea,
Speaker 1: Let's get Todd Gurley involved because he settles everything down
Speaker 1: for Jared Goff. And that's the concern for me in
Speaker 1: this game is that now they've kind of found their
Speaker 1: identity again, can the Cowboys can find a way yeah,
Speaker 1: to stop the run and play you know, fundamental disciplined
Speaker 1: football in the run game and tackle well and do
Speaker 1: all those things because they're capable of it, but they
Speaker 1: just haven't done it with consistency. And then no huddle itself,
Speaker 1: it stops you from putting the pressure down down as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't really, it's hard to find. It's hard to
Speaker 1: call a blitz hadn't already been called. You're going against
Speaker 1: the no huddle offense, So it just keeps you extremely basic.
Speaker 1: So they so basically what they do if they go
Speaker 1: no huddle, they get to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: then stand there for ten seconds or fifteen seconds. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're rushing you to play fast. It could
Speaker 1: be a patient tridle trying to change the play, sort
Speaker 1: of like they do in college, with the exception of
Speaker 1: not having any signs to hold up right. That's what
Speaker 1: Philly did in this last game. Good day. They went.
Speaker 1: They they accelerated their their their whole pace of the game,
Speaker 1: just just so the offensively they can get on track.
Speaker 1: It took them a while. Oh my god, there was
Speaker 1: a boy and game. They got it done. But as
Speaker 1: you said yesterday, Cowboys would take boring win any day Sunday.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at Jared Goffe, He's got this
Speaker 1: season fourteen interceptions and fifteen touchdown passes. Well, not having
Speaker 1: a banner season. But you gotta look at the last
Speaker 1: three games though, that's really way he's at last last
Speaker 1: two games against Arizona's thirty four and then twenty eight
Speaker 1: twelve against Seattle. Game prior to that was Baltimore. That
Speaker 1: was the blowout forty five to six. But about their receivers,
Speaker 1: Robert Woods Cooper Cup, Brandon Cooks. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Cup. Cup's gonna have a great year. I
Speaker 1: guess he should play every game over in London. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had two hundred plus what receiving yards one game,
Speaker 1: and that's just that's just not a that's not an
Speaker 1: oddity for him. That's what he does. He's that guy.
Speaker 1: He's he's like Cole Beasley personified, a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: a little bit faster, a little bit more physical. Gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a big body, slot received body, slot receiver. But
Speaker 1: the guy that has the still has the quick moves,
Speaker 1: still has the quick feet and obviously has great hands.
Speaker 1: So he's he's he's gonna be a problem. They missed
Speaker 1: him last year with the injury. I mean that he
Speaker 1: brings another dimension to their office they didn't have. They
Speaker 1: probably could have used beat the Cowboys been in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They could have used him and Cup and Woods.
Speaker 1: Cup is ten yards away from going over a thousand yards,
Speaker 1: and Woods is sixty seven yards away from going on.
Speaker 1: You know, Cooks only ask thirty one catches this year.
Speaker 1: He's started eleven games thirty one catches, which which Mickey
Speaker 1: the snap counter over there, maybe we can figure out
Speaker 1: how many, how many, how much they are in their
Speaker 1: nickel offense. And you're going two tight ends more because
Speaker 1: Gerald Everett, who has hurt right now, has thirty seven
Speaker 1: catches on the year and Tyler Higbee's got forty catches
Speaker 1: on the year. So they used two tight ends. They
Speaker 1: not only use two tight ends, they throw to two
Speaker 1: tight ends a lot. And they and they use Higbee
Speaker 1: now more two twelve personnel. Have you got two backup
Speaker 1: what maybe two backup linebackers coming in? Yeah, going against
Speaker 1: these tight ends and they are really making a move.
Speaker 1: The tight end is really that's part of why golf
Speaker 1: is having success. He decided to start looking to the
Speaker 1: tight end, and it kind of takes a little bit
Speaker 1: load off of him because down the scenes, when you
Speaker 1: got tight end running down the scenes, that's a much
Speaker 1: bigger target and trying to go outside to the loose
Speaker 1: fifty wives. So if no shan Lee at that linebacker position,
Speaker 1: you're talking Thomas and then the sam myth and I
Speaker 1: would think Gifford and the only other guy it's justin
Speaker 1: March right. Yeah, that's it. We haven't stopped a tight
Speaker 1: end with us started or or you just stay in
Speaker 1: nickel and just say one of my corner, my corners
Speaker 1: or safeties has to cover the tight end. And we've
Speaker 1: seen that before. Now they'll hand it to girly and
Speaker 1: now you got one less you know, big guy close
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage. So yeah, maybe just to
Speaker 1: suggest it is better score some points. That's a novel idea, right,
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen on Sunday? Okay, So what's going
Speaker 1: to happen on Sunday? Go ahead, Mack. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a football game. Yeah, yeah, I think he's gonna do
Speaker 1: a pregame hit for the fan, right, yes, I will
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett's UH radio pregame interview you're gonna grill him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grill him here in about two hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll find out secrets. You thought it was life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Jason has time to talk before the gate? What
Speaker 1: else does he do? What? You know? What? You know?
Speaker 1: I uh for this game, I'm looking forward to something.
Speaker 1: A revelation that I that came through yesterday. You guys
Speaker 1: brought it up to me. Rest we got rest, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And I didn't think about that because you know, we've
Speaker 1: been grinding coming in here, fussing about what they're not
Speaker 1: doing and what they're supposed to be doing. And we
Speaker 1: knew about the grind of the three games when in
Speaker 1: so many days, but that ten day rest, that that
Speaker 1: may be the spark that we need because what we
Speaker 1: have seen and we talked about it, everything is just
Speaker 1: so uneventful and may be uneventful just because the guys
Speaker 1: are tired. You know, it's it's almost a grinder. You
Speaker 1: go through three games so so close together. So something
Speaker 1: that I overlooked until you guys brought it up yesterday,
Speaker 1: that the rest itself might be that thing that you need.
Speaker 1: You come out all of a sudden, you're looking different,
Speaker 1: you're feeling different. Your attitude is different. Mentally, everything up
Speaker 1: here is more optimistic as opposed to pessimistic. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that that's how they come out with that same fire.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're listening yesterday, but like
Speaker 1: that's Philly fire when we came out agains Philidelphia, really
Speaker 1: last strong dominating game we had. I'm hoping we come
Speaker 1: out with that with that attitude. You know the other
Speaker 1: thing that would certainly help him if uh AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium turned into the Superdome and they would have
Speaker 1: hard time hearing when the in the quarterbacks communication helmet.
Speaker 1: But you're going they're gonna have to drag him in
Speaker 1: because I want to see golf going like this over
Speaker 1: his zero hole, right, and so he can he's having
Speaker 1: trouble hearing if you want to change it at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, Girl ahead, big boy. But you know,
Speaker 1: but I don't have a lot of faith in that hat.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you're going good. You're going away as
Speaker 1: you were left turning. There's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: Rams fans, look, and you don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: faith and Cowboys fans. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you better pull them in. Got you gotta do
Speaker 1: something to pull them in. You gotta drag them along
Speaker 1: this yeah, right, absolutely, the first thing you do. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what. That's Back in the day. I used
Speaker 1: to remember. I was always shocked on how quiet the
Speaker 1: noon games were at Texas Stadium. It was like, did
Speaker 1: these people just get out of church? And you know
Speaker 1: we're not in church anymore, right, But if they played well,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh the place turned on. Right.
Speaker 1: This is not the Texas Stadium Cowboy fans. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: is a different crowd. Different crowd. Yeah, well, they need
Speaker 1: to participate, They need to They need some type of
Speaker 1: big spark plays. We talked about this during the week. Defensively,
Speaker 1: think about the one game they really played complimentary football
Speaker 1: Philly short fields, something that's from the defense, that sparked
Speaker 1: the entire team. That's what they Who's going to make
Speaker 1: that play? The Law, baby, that's my pickure Law. I
Speaker 1: want to sack fumble that Jeff Heath picks it up
Speaker 1: and returns for a touchdown with one on ye is bad.
Speaker 1: All right, that's where we're going with. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: going d Law is our pick. To click. There you go,
Speaker 1: just get engaged. Law will do it on defense. That's
Speaker 1: how it's gonna happen. Here we go, we got so,
Speaker 1: we got a winner winner. I didn't say that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've picked him week after week. Maybe if I maybe
Speaker 1: I'm jinxing him. If I go with the Rams, it'll
Speaker 1: turn around for him. I will say that. Whenever you
Speaker 1: count out a team completely and everybody's picking against the
Speaker 1: Cowboys usually goes a different way. So we'll see. They
Speaker 1: don't need to win this game to win the division.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe people were talking about that, because
Speaker 1: you need a win badly Sunday, just for your confidence level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: more so from number standpoint, confidence and momentum going in
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia. Have some confidence that you can go to
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and win. You know what, It's the twelve days
Speaker 1: of Christmas starting tomorrow. Okay, you go up tomorrow. It's
Speaker 1: twelve days of Christmas. Christmas starts tomorrow for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a merry Christmas around the next game.
Speaker 1: That's exactly. So there you go. All right, you heard
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