WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Will The Streak End? 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.039 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:18.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.480 Cowboys Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head Hours 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:34.040 at the Star in Frisco. Now your hosts Nicky Spagnola, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:39.720 Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's a 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:45.120 fabulous Friday inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.760 Star in Prisco, Texas, as we get you ready for 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.000 the Cowboys in the Los Angeles Rams. It is a 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.760 busy Friday morning, right, Mickey Spagnola, very busy. I was 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.960 gonna say that, I'm the hallway. You can just feel 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.560 the energy. Yeah, a good thing. They have the Wednesday's 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.440 Child or whatever they know, what is it? Uh not 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:11.000 Wednesday's Child guy. The people that come in for visits, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:16.640 um make a wish. Thank you. Somebody knows that. Anyway 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.080 that's going on, and you got tours because you know 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.160 it's a home game. Everybody shows up. And when the 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.920 guy said, and Bill Jones, we should have had that 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.640 in a talics, right, Welcome back, sir, It's good to 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.440 be back and have you Bill. Bill wasn't here for 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.479 the you know my induction. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.840 I'm totally official. Now you had an induction. Yeah, I 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:47.559 feel like I had sexual labor, had a reduction. Poor guy. Man. Yeah, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.720 Everson was signing the paperwork during the show. Yeah, all right, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.760 he's got a badge and we even got him reading 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.480 right right. It's like a college style commitment ceremony, National 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.640 signing day, all right, and he's doing the stop asking me, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.720 asking me at the front of the building. I can 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.919 just walk in that without I thought you were getting 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.040 that day. The lady just wanted to say hi to you. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.480 I thought, no, come back you. I'm okay, I'm okay. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.399 So we got some ground rules. Okay, no what Mike, 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.919 uh Mike frand Sessa, Yeah we got we don't want 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.600 any of that, you know, no silent but deadly uh omissions. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:32.680 You understanding? Yeah what he did? They they're passing passing 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.240 the gas in the podcast rum. We don't want that. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.200 We are not did yes apparently, Yeah, he was the 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:46.280 only one in studio right head him continued, it's a 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.160 d sorry, this dog wasn't in the room. So we're 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.119 not having none of that. That's my only ground case, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.760 all right, very good, we can move on. All right, Well, 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.080 I'm feeling good. I had a little proceed you're done 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.080 on Tuesday, and um, I guess I can. I can 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.680 go ahead and say what I had done if you 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.919 want to. All right, and my gall blinder removed on Tuesday. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.480 And Bill, that's just like pulling a mouth or something, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:16.400 you know, like Boil probably would have felt like, right, yeah, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.360 well no, it's it's actually not that bad. Yeah. In fact, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.880 I have not outside of Edville. I've been on no 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:29.000 pain medications to do that. I feel the prescription and 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:34.960 then it it was like it's opener than not getting Yeah, yeah, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.320 so are you quite watching Sunday or what? Are you 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.040 good to go? I'm good to go. I'm good to go. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:46.400 I reserve extra proceed you're done this morning? We want scared? 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.800 I guess I won't say what. Yeah, I think we're right, okay, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.840 all right, it's no big deal. But it was just 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.520 a follow up this morning. Yeah, yours telling us there's 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.320 no one listen, Yeah, right, there's a tour group right outside. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.480 The speakers do go out in the hall. We're good 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:14.280 waiting to hear the diagnosis. Right, it's all good with us, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.039 all right, So tell me what Jason Garrett said. Oh 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.760 what did he say? It sounds like sounds like Sean 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.800 Lee might be iffy for this game. Well, that's what 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.000 I was wondering as I was watching from a distance. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.480 And he's not participating in practice all week. What did 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.320 you think by what he said? Well, it sounds he's 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.919 not practicing today. He basically said, yeah, maybe limited, we'll see. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.320 Usually Friday is his day off anyway, more of a 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.520 rest day. But he's already had DMB two days and right, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.120 so see how he puts this is obviously a new 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.040 new development because we didn't even talk about this yesterday. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.200 We had no idea. Well, he's he's got a couple 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.680 of things. He's got a thigh issue and a pectoral 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.880 injury that I believe he's been dealing with, he said, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.400 for a little bit throughout this year. That hasn't prevented 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.400 him from playing. So for that reason, to me, there's 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.960 a little bit optimism. He can go veteran guy, but 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.200 you'd like to get some practice in, right, Well, that 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.240 has a lot to do ye practice Wednesday or Thursday, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.839 he said, he probably not doing much. Well, here's how 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.720 he put it. He said he's making progress, and then 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:22.360 he said interpret that as you will. He won't practice today, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.040 So I interpret that is this this is highly questionable. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.520 Then are you going to interpret that that at when 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.440 the injury report comes out this afternoon, what will he 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.960 be listed as for the game? Questionable? Questionable, but it 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:44.880 may say DNP DNP DNP. So that that's making like hopeful. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.360 But you know the NFL is really cracking down. Yeah, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.800 on the teams and the injury reports. Everybody's trying to 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.680 be slick. That that's probably another Belichick wull right, Yeah, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.320 he was always very tricky. And there's been a lot 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.320 of people on the injury report this week at guys 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.400 not for the ram the fine hundred's right, Uh, was 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:08.240 more than that some teams. The Lions got Matthew Stafford. Yeah, Stafford. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:13.880 So they had eight starting limited on Wednesday. Two went 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:20.479 to full yesterday Heath and there was one of the Pollard. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:26.040 Yeah still yesterday six guys were limited. Um, so I 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.920 would imagine those limited guys are good to go. Yeah, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.680 it sounded I asked about Chris Jones because who's his 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.800 backup at punter. Sounds like he's okay, boy, we came 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.960 up with a lot of scenarios on Chris Jones, We're 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:44.559 gonna make it. Antoine Woods is a putter I was on. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.720 I was moving on it. He's limited, but sounds like 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.360 they're optimistic he could get back depending on how things 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.480 go the next couple of days. But a linebacker, you know, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.520 I assume Laate Vanderesh is going to be ruled out today. Yeah, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.200 and if he is, then then um, without Sean you're 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.800 looking at Joe Thomas and Luke Gifford, who I'm not 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.159 sure how many defensive snaps he's gotten this year, but 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.200 it's not many, and he would have to play a 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.040 lot in this game if there's no Sean Lee and 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.800 assuming no late Vanderesh, keep talking and I'll tell you 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.640 on Luke Gifford how many defensive snaps I try to 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.520 chart this as the season goes along, he played any 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.440 he came in maybe way I got him down for none. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.760 I've got him all special teams snaps this season, and 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.600 they like him. But you're facing a Rams team that 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.160 we talked about during the week that is starting to 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.600 get back their rhythm, hit their strides to get Todd 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.880 Gurley involved and everything kind of flows off of that, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.160 the official chart here says zero percent. There you go. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.680 I gave the official chart. This is the official chart 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:55.760 right here. Special teams snaps. All right, all hands on 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.960 deck and lightenbacker. Now, I remember back in eighty seven 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.280 he had to play the Cardinals. That's one of the 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.560 Saint Louis Cardinals, and they were the offense was kind 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.640 of amazing. Roy Green. That's a real game. Now, that's 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.920 a real game. Yeah, we were coming down the stretch 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.200 and they were going for the playoffs. When we sucked 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.560 at in eighty seven, we didn't do much. We were 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.640 not in the playoff picture. So here they come to 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.560 Dallas and we've got two outside linebackers the backups. And 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.920 then we're talking about Henry Marsh was a tight end. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.720 We're talking about J. T. Smith was a wide receiver. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.680 Roy Green, O J Anderson's in the backfield. I mean, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.000 this is a great squad. I don't know how we 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.000 did it, but we won that game. That was the 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.199 most satisfying victory I think I've ever had. Steve Diazzi 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:44.400 is playing outside line. He did Steve dias plan. Jeff 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.040 Roor was the other line I remember. Yeah, well you 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.439 remember that, how amazing that is that we still won 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.679 that game. Remember, so that's one of those games where 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.520 you are, how did we do it? How did these 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.240 linebackers stand up? And they played amazing football. We just 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.640 kept it simple. So this let's hope that this is 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.680 one of those moments where those linebackers can come in 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.400 and keep it simple, keep the game playing to a minimum. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.360 You don't have to think too much, and just let 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.160 those guys just go with their athletic abuilding. That'd be 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.080 really last last game of the season in nineteen eighty 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.800 seven against the Saint Louis Cardinals, a twenty one sixteen 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:24.520 Cowboys through so told them to seven and eight. Yeah 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.600 yeah right, yeah, yeah, we were, we were. That was 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.640 one game winning streak I think we had, and two 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.959 of those wins the were the replacement games. Okay, Mack, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:38.760 thanks much. You said you said it was a season 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.560 I just wanted to emphaside it wasn't. By the way, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.880 it wasn't the most sensational defensive effort in the world. Statistically, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.880 the Cardinals had four hundred and twenty two yards of 0:09:51.880 --> 0:10:03.160 offense that day. They scored sixteen. That's yeah. Aldel Greco 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.560 had three field goals for the Cardinals that day. We 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:12.240 held them down. Baby Roy Green did Roy scoring uh 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.360 seven catches one hundred and twelve yards, no touchdown. J T. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.599 Smith had a touchdown. That's a victory for that's a 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.120 victory then, all right? With Steve Pulluric quarterback passing for 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.120 one hundred and twenty two yards. See with one hundred 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.680 and twenty two yards passing, I'm gonna tell me that 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.679 wasn't a satisfying victory. That is a defensive effort right there, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:34.080 and with backup outside line had never played outside linebacker 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.160 since maybe junior high and junior high in junior has 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.160 probably the biggest kill on the team. No one or 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.280 they moved Randy White back to life backer. No, we 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.640 didn't go that far. We did not go that far, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.280 but definitely satis. How long has a disc been in 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.800 the league with Steve and Zach going back like thirty years? 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.200 Never since nineteen eighty four, right, yeah, thirty five years 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.240 have probably been. And he taught he signed them the 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:06.319 magic the magic position deep snapper. You can get the 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.199 scottarship and deep snapper. You can get a salary and 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.559 deep snapper. You can play seventeen years as a deep 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.000 snapper and not have to touch a soul, especially now 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.000 with the with the new rules exactly now they can't 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.200 be two hundred and thirty pounds be a deep snapper 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:26.720 now fifteen. Yeah, he's made himself a lot of money. Wow, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.960 a lot of money. Who was a health strake was? 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.200 How long you go? Seventeen into his forties? I believe right, Wow, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:40.240 HELLI played a long so they just couldn't run down. Yeah, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.760 I love you. He realistic. We love it, man, But 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.160 that's a great position. Do you talk about it? Don't 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:51.199 make me laugh? You know, Hellistrate was dued perfect before 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.320 that stuff started, because it would that would day. I'll 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.480 trust you know who do perfect. They wanted to see. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.920 They wanted to see if Hellish Drake could snap the 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.800 ball through a car, a moving car through the window. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.959 Nice and Edie did nice. Yeah, you know photography, the 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.319 walk up there to the ranch there or where you 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.000 guys came in. He was on that and the car 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:22.960 drove by Ando, right, that's very cool. Yeah. Yeah, So Rob, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 did you draw the assignment to listen to Jerry on 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.880 the radio this morning? I did not. That was David Hellman, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.680 but he was trying to multitask in I don't know 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.560 if I did well or not. Didn't you hear anything 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.760 of note? Um? What was the one I told? Was? 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.800 At the end he said something I don't remember about coaching. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.120 You know what? They started talking a lot on a 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.040 major league baseball oh, in the marijuana agreement for dropping 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.079 testing for marijuana in baseball and even in the minor leagues. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.520 And he knew, Jerry, he's gonna get headlines on that one. Yeah, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.720 and started he didn't make anything declarative thing. You know. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.440 The one thing he kept saying and referring to, he goes, 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.199 you know what we do in the NFL, we try 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.920 to draw attention to ourselves and and and he said it, so, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.480 if you want to draw attention to yourself, sometimes the 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.920 attention is not good. But you know, I think he 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.800 learned longer time ago from text that any attention is 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.440 good attention, regardless if it's good or bad. So he said, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.320 and and and he basically said, you know, if we 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.439 want the all that good attention, and sometimes we've got 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.520 to deal with the bad attention, and we can't run 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.599 for it. You know, we've got to be an example 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.640 for what's going on out there. So he was kind of, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.600 you know, saying, well, yeah, it's good that they're doing that, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.840 but maybe we need to set an example kind of 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.960 uh hinted at that in what way, meaning to continue 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.160 continue testing? Yeah, continue testing? Yeah, yeah, okay, and how 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.240 is that? But but I mean, I guess you can test. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.400 I guess you you know, maybe you have to back 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:02.119 off on what the punishment is because no league punishes 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.640 their players like the NFL does. If you think about it, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.080 and if you think about the NFL, the most injuries, 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.600 you know, the pain that you have to go through, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.280 the more collisions, all of that, you would think that 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.319 they'd be more empathetic to athletes that that indulged. Yeah, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.280 so I didn't hear the whole thing. I just cut. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.400 I just cut. So those baseball players, they have a 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.320 lot of injuries they have to deal with, right, That's 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.560 why they stopped detesting. Is that what they're saying? Standing around? Yeah, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.440 standing around and hurt your back. Yeah, ball might hit 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.360 him in the stomach. Well you have one opiate death 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.240 and now it's like, okay, we got to take care 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.280 of this. Well is that what is that? What? Uh? 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.160 I think that was waiting on. Well, you see, that's 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.360 the point. What are you waiting on? There's always a 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.520 drastic moment, some dramatic moment that's pretty much is unnecessary 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.480 really when with the information that we have at this point, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.280 you know, you got to get out of the fifties 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.400 and yeah, and kind of grow up as a league. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.440 The other thing, because you caught part of it apparent 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.240 I'm checking on Twitter, he was asked about certain college 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.520 coaches that are success Yes, you know, on the subject 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.200 of Jason Garrett's job security and guys that are being 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.320 bandied about as possible options if the Cowboys go in 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.120 a different direction after the season, and what do you say, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.000 Bill John Mchoda has got him quoted. Jerry Jones was 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 very complimentary of Lincoln Riley and Matt Rule on one 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.920 to five three The Fan this morning, but then he 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.680 pointed out quote college coaches have the lowest percentage rate 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.320 of success taking over his NFL head coaches, adding that 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.520 the Cowboys went one in fifteen and Jimmy Johnson's first season, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:44.920 there you go. Wow. College coaches spend Sundays working In 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.000 many cases, they aren't that familiar with the NFL personnel, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.400 now that's a big deal. You pay a price for 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.640 somebody to get up to date that hasn't spent the 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.920 prior years, months or years in the NFL. And I 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.000 think there's definitely something to be said for that. I mean, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.080 if you talk to a lot of college coaches, I mean, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.280 they have no idea what's going on in the NFL 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.000 because there that's a huge work day for college coaches. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.240 So he's absolutely right. I guess maybe the one advantage 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.360 would be, because Jimmy had this right, you're evaluating having 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.760 recruited those players at draft when out of school. But yeah, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.440 that's a great point. And when you have a bundle 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.080 of draft picks like they ended up having, then the 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.360 draft was very important for those first two or three years. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.880 It won't be another herschel Walker, No, absolutely not. Yeap 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.640 out fifteen guys, but they were kind of ahead of 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.520 the game there for a couple of years with I 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.800 mean some of those guys they were recruiting to go 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.520 to Miami, so they were kind of familiar with And 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.080 we talked about this, Uh in the last couple of weeks, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.480 who was the last head coach, the college head coach 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:50.000 that was successful in the NFL baba. I think that's 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.040 who we came up with. Yeah, got a Super Bowl 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.560 Jim harbab. Does Pete Carroll count because he was he 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.080 was in New England coach and was previous NFL. I don't. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.360 I don't count Pete Carroll because of that, because he 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.440 had the previous a long time in the NFL. I'm 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.160 trying to thank coach Saban didn't have success and Jimmy Dolphins. Yeah, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.840 you don't get that he had previous NFL coach. The 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.320 winning season was the winning season for Saban. I know 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.800 it was on five hundred. I can't remember something around that. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.480 And he only lasted what two three I think it 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.040 was maybe just two years? Two years? Two? Yeah, you 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.240 know to LSU with Jason Garrett on his staff. That's 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.400 correct a matter of fact. Wow, yeah, yeah, you didn't 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.000 know that. I not. They hired him as the quarterback 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.960 coach and he was there for two seasons. I think 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.760 Belichick and and Saban uh on hbobo. Yeah, I heard 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:45.320 him on it. 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So do Christmas Eve a week from Tuesday? 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.520 All right, have you done your Christmas shopping? Mickey? It 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.480 kind of dawned on me when I was walking in 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.520 the day. It's like we might have to push Christmas back. Yeah. Man, 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.680 I never do it until like Christmas Eve. I never 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.159 do it period. Yeah, yeah, I got a bunch of 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.120 people do it for me. I'm getting text right now 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.440 from my daughters asking about things that I'm supposed to 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.320 have gotten I just passed the text on. Yep, kind 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.240 of been laid up this week. I'm sorry I haven't 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:41.600 say yeah yeah, especially since you know Christmas is on Wednesday, 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.800 it's a work day for the Cowboys. It is a 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.679 this is an odd holiday season. There's no doubt a 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.640 few six fewer days. I think they said there's something 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.080 like that, six fewer shopping days. Oh yeah, because thanks 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.359 Thanksgiving late. Okay, So what what needs to happen for 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.719 the Cowboys to have a merry Christmas this year? About 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.560 what's going to happen between now and Christmas Day? Okay, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.239 you got a game on Sunday against the Rams, and 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.560 then you got the all important game at Philadelphia three 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.880 days before Christmas. Well, without a bunch of detail, for me, 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.000 I would continue with the path I was on. They 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.760 need to keep things extremely simple for themselves right now. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.879 Just allow their players to play. I mean, let's just 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.439 do that. I remember Tom Landry letting us do that 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.400 several times. Yes, we have the flex defense and were 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.080 all about coordination, but there were a couple of games 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.119 where we just said, you know what, just let that 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.840 D line go. Just let them go through the gaps, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.080 let them run their stunts, and then we'll see what happens, 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.360 because at that point nothing was working. And if you're 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.679 at that point where the Cowboys, where nothing is working, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.760 then just let the players themselves be free and unencumbered 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.679 by the mental aspect of the game. Let's just go 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.720 out there and be physical and without even worrying about 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.400 mistakes and things of that nature. That's the way that's 0:22:58.440 --> 0:22:59.760 to me, that's the best way for them to go 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.080 because they've tried everything else. They've tried everything else and 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.560 had worked. And the question came up to him in 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.480 the press conference. Everybody knows what you do defensively. It's 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:14.239 too simple, so that they said, that's what somebody I 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.840 think they said. Troy Aikman said that the Cowboys do 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.440 what they do on defense and they don't change things up. 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.679 And his answer was, well, we were always, you know, 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.920 trying to be have variety in what you do, but 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.480 that you might have a good point there. Instead of 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.600 you know, the linebackers, you know, rushing into a gap 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.639 and getting in the wrong one, Well, how about just 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.639 standing there and read for a little while. Maybe you 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.320