1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: S, two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Sports Radio, Jeff Schwartz Jason Fitz hanging out with the 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: big news for the WNBA this weekend. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: We were just. 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 3: Talking about it. 6 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Talks a lot of football this morning, obviously, but w 7 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: has got All Star Weekend this weekend, and that's an opportunity. 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: It's an opportunity to. 9 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Get casual fans to come in and just sort of 10 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: check these things out. I always make the argument that 11 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: all pro games and championship games are really for casuals 12 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: to try and grow your sports. So all pro events 13 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: having Caitlin Clark be a part of them are a 14 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: big deal. And that is not going to be the 15 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: case this weekend as she continues to battle injuries in 16 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: a year that has been a tough one for her 17 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: on the injury front. And now all I keep thinking 18 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: about is just the opportunity lost because the overwhelming narrative, 19 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's an incorrect one, is that 20 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: the ratings and the interest in the event will plummet 21 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: without Caitlin being part of it, whether it's the skills 22 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: competition or the three point contest. But it all just 23 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: sort of speaks to what I think has become difficult 24 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: right now because to me, me Jeff like, I've been 25 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: pretty lucky in my career to cover a lot of 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: w for a lot of years. So the fact that 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: it's it's becoming really popular right now is an easy 28 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: transition for me. That's great, But there's this weirdness with 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: it where I feel like there are the subsets. 30 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: Of WNBA fans. 31 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: There's the people that never watch it that have just 32 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: decided it sucks even though they never watch it. There's 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the people that tell you it's great even though they 34 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: never watch it so they don't know what's going on. 35 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: And then there's a group of people that are just 36 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: really big fans. To me, I look at all of 37 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: this as like a cool, exciting opportunity time right like Caitlin. 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: The more eyeballs that come in for Kaitlin, the better 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: for everybody involved. But it feels like it's become way 40 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: more contentious than all of that, and it's not that simple. 41 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: And now everything with Caitlin has layers, and the w 42 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: has layers, and it's just it's an argument waiting to 43 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: happen constantly. 44 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you my background the WNBA so I 45 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: did not follow it very religiously until Sabrina and Nesque was 46 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: drafted by the Liberty, so Sabrina went Orgon. Her year 47 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: at organ was cut short and fortunately by COVID that 48 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: Orgon team probably win a championship. Unfortunately it was just 49 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: a bummer of a way to end. And I've always 50 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: enjoyed watching her play at Orgon. And she was, you know, 51 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: almost like Kayln Clark before Clark, right, I mean the 52 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: three points, shooting, the passing, not as dynamic of a 53 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: scorer visually, but obviously I think she averages like nineteen 54 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: points a game, an incredible score, passer, all those things. 55 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: So I started watching a little more and mostly just 56 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: for her, like when she was on and it wasn't 57 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: on National until ye as much, right, and obviously now 58 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: we know, And then I just started watching for Kaitlyn Clark. 59 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: I like watching her play. She gets me to a TV. 60 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: She's fun to watch, even when she's not scoring a lot, 61 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: which she has not been doing. Now she's averaging nine assists, 62 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: like she's having an incredible passer. Right. The Fever score 63 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: a ton of points. They're fun to watch. They they 64 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: move the ball, they shoot threes, like they they when 65 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: they're rolling, they're averaging in the nineties, you know, like 66 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: they're fun to watch. It's fun basketball to watch. My 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: background is probably not as yours when it comes to 68 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: learning about, you know, how the WA functions. And the 69 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: one thing that stands out to me, and no surprise, 70 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: officiating is awful. It's really bad. And I'm not saying 71 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: that you have to fix it for Kaitlin Clark exactly, 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: but you have an opportunity with the player who's this popular, 73 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: to really change fundamentally change your league. And some of 74 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: it has already happened. Right, they have private planes now, right, 75 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: they move games to bigger arenas Kaitlyn Clark. They just 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: played the Connecticut son who were like three and eighteen 77 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: in the garden in Boston, Like these events are huge 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: national events. When when Clark is playing and the answer 79 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: is not to change the game to make her stand out, 80 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: but it feels like they're actively rooting against Kaitlyn Clark. 81 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: At times the league is okay, like for example, they 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: put out yesterday advertisement or the All Star Game has 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: said Page Beckers is the first rookie to start at 84 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: All Star Games is twenty thirteen Kener Clark started also 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: named last season, Like, those are the mistakes. I just 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: don't understand. If it's like you, why are you not 87 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: acknowledging the superstar Kaitlin Clark. They just make these mistakes 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: to me that I do not understand why. They just 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: don't seem to put enough attention to promoting the most 90 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: popular players. But I get it. There are plenty of 91 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: players in the league that are better than Kitlyn Clark. 92 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: You won't find me arguing otherwise, especially this season. She's 93 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: not playing as well, but there's no one as popular 94 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: as her. There's there's no doubt about They're going to 95 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: lose the good lose viewers for the game this weekend. 96 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: It's gonna be very noticeable when the when the ratings 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: come out. Every game that she has a national television 98 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: even when she wasn't playing. This past weekend against the Liberty, 99 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: got like three million people to watch, and the league 100 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: just seems to have not embraced that to the level 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: that I would expect. The fishing stinks. It's bad she 102 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: gets zero calls. I'm not saying that she should get 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: the calls, but dude, she gets beat up in games 104 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: like she gets pushed, grabs, shoved, knocked down, and foul 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: calls never happened. I don't know why, but that is 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: the league. It's a very physical league. And fifth, it 107 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: does feel like though there's just not enough attention from 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: the league office to how big of a star she is. 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: And it might happen over the years and they get 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: to that direction. But I don't know if you feel 111 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: that same way as I do when it comes to 112 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: just the attention given to her and how I just 113 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: don't think they're tabolizing on this opportunity as much as 114 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: they should. 115 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it's the league. I think it's the players. 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: I think it's the super fans, like I think everybody. 117 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: At some point, people transcend and it doesn't matter if 118 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: they're the best to me, Like it doesn't matter if 119 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift you mentioned earlier, you want to go to 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift cut, Like Taylor Swift doesn't have to be 121 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the best singer in the world. She's the most popular 122 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: singer in the world, like, right, I mean that's I 123 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: think most I don't want to get Swifties up in mimenties, 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: but I think most, you know. 125 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: Most very irtaining her beats, like everything's like it's fun, 126 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: like you, it's fun like going and watching her perform 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: looks like just a fun time, which I think a 128 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: lot of us will pay not maybe too grand a 129 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: ticket for fun, but will pay for three and a 130 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: half hours of fun. Like I think we all pay 131 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: for that. 132 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and then there's opportunity for everybody else involved. 133 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: And that's the thing that like, I just. 134 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: Can't wrap my head around why it feels like so 135 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: many teams, players super fans the league, Like I mean, 136 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: the league is not easy to work with. The WNBA 137 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: has never been easy to work with. And I'll say 138 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: say that loudly and proudly. I mean, my first radio show, 139 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: five days a week was with Sarah Spain on ESPN 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: at the time, and we were national and the day 141 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: I started with Sarah, She's like, we are gonna talk 142 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: about the WNBA, And that was that was back in 143 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, right, And so from that moment we we 144 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: fought to try and get WNBA players consistently on our 145 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: radio show as guests, and the league didn't help make 146 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: them available to this to this day. I mean I 147 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: tried last year to cover a bunch of w NBA 148 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: events and the W basically went to Yahoo, where I 149 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: make the primary portion of my income, and the W 150 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: was like, no, we don't want anybody in the to 151 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: get coverage opportunities that hasn't been covering the sport for years. 152 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I have like the W makes things 153 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: really complicated to cover. 154 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: They are not an easy media partner. That they get it. 155 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: I don't get it either. 156 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, but that's that's just it's disappointing 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: here because again they they should be capitalizing on this 158 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: opportunity as best they can. And and you know, the 159 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: last for me quickly, like the reaction to the jokes 160 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: of the SPS from some people like good, Bad and Different. 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: You got four jokes on a national television program by 162 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: a comedian about your league, like you might not have 163 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: liked them. I get it, mocking Caitlin Clarke for the 164 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: you know the wallf House joke, you know, the Britney 165 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: Hicks joke about about uh, you know, the oh, you know, 166 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 2: like you don't even know who the WNBA stars are. Okay, 167 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: I get they might offend you, but can you imagine 168 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: saying this three years ago that that that the SP's 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: you got, like I think it was in up being 170 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: four w NBA jokes and they're like lightening up a 171 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: little bit. It's good for the league to have to 172 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: be mentioned in this, like even if you don't like 173 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: the joke itself, like come on, man, don't take yourself 174 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: that seriously. 175 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: And when you when you clap back to it the 176 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: way so many people have, what you also do is 177 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: you give fuel to the rest of the people that 178 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: are looking for a reason to tear it all down. 179 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Like that's the other the other part of it. If 180 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: you're coming in and you're saying, oh my god, how 181 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: could they make these jokes? Well, now what you've done 182 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: is you've really empowered the people that are just desperately 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: waiting for a reason to tell the world how. 184 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: Elitist the w A you know what I mean. 185 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: Like it it's it's a tough situation and I'm I'm 186 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: I know gently that I'm talking of some of my 187 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: friends in that situation. Like I just I think you 188 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: just have to step back and say, yeah, all right, cool, 189 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: Like you know, I hate to keep going back to 190 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: music stuff, but I will say, like if every time 191 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: somebody made fun of what they think country music is 192 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: the entire country music community would turn around and pitch 193 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: a fit about it. 194 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: Eventually it all becomes part of. 195 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: The mockery, Like all you can do is just tip 196 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: your cap, Like you had a roast comic hosting the 197 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: sb's and he was roasting people. I don't know what 198 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: anyone expected, and I agree with you like it just 199 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: there is this opportunity that comes with attention, and attention 200 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: gives you the opportunity to make new fans, to convert people. 201 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: You want to make people that never pay attention into fans. 202 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: You want to take basic fans that convert him into 203 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: super fans. There's a conversion opportunity whenever you have a megastar, 204 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: and that's what Caitlin Clark is. 205 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: And instead of conversion opportunity, I feel. 206 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: Like they're just a ton of people trying to push 207 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: everybody away from it. And whether it's you know there 208 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: are better players, like I don't think right now most 209 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: kids give a damn about what NBA Superstar in the 210 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: seventies was actually better than SGA, Like it's a meaningless argument. 211 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: Who cares if somebody loves SGA, let them love SGA. 212 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: If somebody loves Caitlin Clark. It doesn't mean that they 213 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: need suddenly a lecture on the history of the greatness 214 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: of the w Just let them fall in love with 215 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: where the sport is and maybe eventually they find the history. 216 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: Maybe they don't. But who cares you played football? 217 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Like does a current NFL kid that's growing up to 218 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: become an NFL fan? And maybe all they love is 219 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and maybe they say Patrick Mahomes is the 220 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: best quarterback of all time? Do they need a lecture 221 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: about Joe Montana in that moment? I don't think they do. 222 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: But the NFL media wouldn't go after them for saying that, 223 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: you know, like and it feels like there's just this 224 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: active campaign to like discredit Clark from people that cover 225 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: the league. Dude. So when when Caroline pet comes out 226 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: two weeks ago and says Indiana is more dangerous without 227 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: Kaitlin Clark, like you, I would anyone say would would 228 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: would anyone in the NBA media, And I have an 229 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: issue with them as well. NFL look all their issues, 230 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: but when anyone say the Chiefs are better without Patrick 231 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Mahomes last season when the Packers missed Jordan Love for 232 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: two years and Milik Wilson went too to zero. Did 233 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: anyone come out and say that the Packers are more 234 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: dangerous without Jordan Love, No, that's a ludicrous thing to say. 235 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: That's and and over. A point was like the offenses 236 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: moves better, which it doesn't. It does, It just doesn't. 237 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: Nothing works better without Clark. The numbers prove it. They're 238 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: four and six without either, eight and five with her, 239 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: they scored fifteen less points and have less rebounds and 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: less assists when she's on the game. They just got 241 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: blown up by a liberty two days ago. Look lifeless 242 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: goes back to back, but still, uh, I like it's 243 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: these I just don't. I don't get that mindset of 244 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: just trying to find every way when you're a legend 245 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: of the league and Peck knows what she's talking about. 246 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: She's been a winning coach, right like, she knows the 247 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: league very well. Just to have that come out and 248 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: say things like that to me, I don't get that 249 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: mindset of not embracing Clark at all, when again, you 250 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: don't have to go out of your way to say 251 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: things like you can say she's not playing well this 252 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: season offensively, she's certainly not. You can say she's a 253 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: very popular player and all these nice things about it, 254 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: but also knowledge how poorly she's playing offensively this season 255 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: and talk about the turnovers, all things are wrong with her. 256 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: But to say things like they're more dangerous without Clark 257 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: in any way you try to cut that, it's a 258 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: ludicrous thing to say because they're absolutely not more dangerous 259 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: without Caitlin Clark. And it's these continued sort of comments 260 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: and from people that are respected within the league that 261 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: I don't get that mindset of saying things like that. 262 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: No sport does a better job of building its stars up. 263 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: In the NFL. 264 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: That being said, the NFL isn't. 265 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: They are not, though currently without their own controversy. We'll 266 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: get into a bit of that. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm 267 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Jason Fitzper, hanging out with you. 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I mean, we got training camp? 286 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 4: Does that? 287 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: Does that still give you, like, does give you all 288 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: the good fields to make your no nose say yes? 289 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: Yes? Like? 290 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: Do you miss training campital? 291 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: I mean I would have loved to play in this 292 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: version of training camp. That would have been nice. So 293 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: the version I that I played in, which was double 294 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: days and full pads, I would have loved to have 295 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: every fourth day off. Now it just seems to be 296 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: like the new thing. And you know, and and oh 297 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: we've we've been in pads two man days in a row. 298 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if we could do it again for 299 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: a thirty in to row. One of the reasons the 300 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: Chiefs are so good, by the way, Patrick Mahomes was 301 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: one of them, obviously, but you know, Andy Reid still 302 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: hits in practice, right, Like they still go full pads 303 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: and they tackle each other in practice, like they have 304 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: heard they have hard they have hard camps. I mean 305 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: that pays off in the end. It feels like maybe not. 306 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: I love the way you mentioned that though, because there 307 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: is this concept and I have this debate with some 308 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: of my buddies that just love the league all the time, 309 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,479 Speaker 1: Like there's this concept of Reid is being this great, jovial, 310 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: fun guy that's just running a fun program and everybody's 311 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: out there having a good old time, and it's like, no, 312 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: like he's he's every every former player I've talked to 313 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: reiterates what you said, like he kicks the snot out 314 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: of him over and over and over. 315 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he in training camp is a very hard training camp, 316 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: even for standards now now. But the trade off obviously 317 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: is the winning and like that. I remember my first 318 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: year there, well, yeah, we had super hard camp and uh, 319 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: I was uh. And we get to Week one, we 320 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: played Jacksonville and they weren't terribly good then either, but 321 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: we didn't know what we were that season as well. And 322 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: we get to we get to the first game in Jacksonville, 323 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: we were in better shape than they were. It's why 324 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: the Chiefs start faster for a year. It might be 325 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: like they just in better shape than their opponent because 326 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: of training camp. 327 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: It's it's funny how the league is constantly evolving in 328 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: everything's copycap but nobody can really figure out the right 329 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: way too. 330 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: I mean it's easier said than done to copycat the Chiefs. 331 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: By the way, Like every time somebody says, well, we 332 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: got to find a way to beat the Chiefs, I'm like, cool. 333 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: So all you're trying to do for your organization is 334 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: get the best quarterback in the league and the best 335 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: head coach in the league and one of the best 336 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. Other than that, it's easy, yeah, yeah, I 337 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: mean all you gotta do is absolutely and you don't 338 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: just need like a good coach, good quarterback, good defensive coordinator. 339 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: You literally need one of the best at. 340 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Each you know, top let's say top three at each 341 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: to have a fighting Chance from oh and one of 342 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: the best gms too. 343 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: Let's just just acknowledge that they draft well too. 344 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: So it's fine, it's fine, it's but it's not all 345 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: fine for the NFL NFL Players Association. 346 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: A little bit of controversy here. 347 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: Lloyd Howell, who's the executive director of the NFLPA, resigned late. 348 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: Last night amidst more controversy. 349 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: Now, there was a story broken by Florio and Pablo 350 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: Torre about collusion where the courts found that it was 351 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: more likely than not that the owners had attempted to 352 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: collude against fully guaranteed contracts after the Deshaun Watson deal. 353 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: That is something that it seems like the Players Association 354 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: was aware of in this process and it wasn't really 355 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: brought to light, and all of it was hidden behind confidentiality, 356 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: which was controversial. And then you get another report again 357 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: from Florio and Tore about the NFL basically busting the 358 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: NFL Players Association for faking injuries as a way to 359 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: effectively hold out, but also not publicized, like what the 360 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: hell is going on right now between the league and 361 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: the players Association. 362 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: So let's talk about both the stories quickly. So the 363 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: first one that came out was that the NFLPA NFL 364 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: went to arbitration about collusion, and it was revealed in 365 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: the arbitrary rule that the NFL Management Council most likely 366 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: advised the NFL owners to not give out the Deshaun 367 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: Watson contract, right, which in it's in itself like makes 368 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. I mean, it was very clear 369 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: at the time the NFL is not gonna honor that contract. Remember, 370 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: Seauan Watson got a fully guaranteed contract, which is rare 371 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: have a fully guaranteed contract as a veteran, and even 372 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: more rare after a trade. And then the allegations that 373 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: were surrounding Deshaun Watson. It was just a very odd deal, 374 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: and the NFL basically ignored that deal. But the arbitrare 375 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: did rule in the end that that there was not 376 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: enough proof that NFL teams actually followed it followed the order, right, 377 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: which again it's that's someking about collusion. Like you you're 378 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: not never gonna find a pay portrayal of actual collusion, 379 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: even though we can we can agree that it probably 380 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: has happened, right, it probably does happen. So and then 381 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: the NFL and NFLPA entered an agreement to not share 382 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: those results that publatory got them. Then announced yesterday from 383 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: publatory was that the another ruling had come down. There 384 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: was I guess a another you know sort of dispute, uh, 385 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: and it was ruled that the NFL players were faking 386 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: injuries to hold out essentially right, and the judge sighted 387 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: arbiter cited things that were said by our past president J. C. 388 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Tretter on a podcast with Ross Tucker. 389 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 390 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: And good for Ross gattings out of him former player 391 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: as well, that you know, he was encouraging players to 392 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 2: fake injuries to basically hold in correct, and that ruling 393 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: was was obviously not you know, made the public as well. 394 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: And then the NFLPA director ended up there's a bunch 395 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: of things with him and with his confidence of interest 396 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: and fits it is. The NFLPA has a very tough job. 397 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: There's seventeen hundred players. They're all different views on things. 398 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: Uh. 399 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: It's a it's a different mindset than baseball and the NBA, 400 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: and and so there's just a harow difficulties when it 401 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: comes to to being you know, to being the union. 402 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: But you can't have leadership that doesn't look out for 403 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: the best interest of the players, and it feels very 404 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: clearly here that there is avoid the top of people 405 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: that actually care about making sure that the NFL players 406 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: have the best collective bargaining agreement and have the best 407 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: opportunity to just get the most out of their careers. 408 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other way to put it other 409 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: than that they're just they're in it for themselves. It 410 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like they're in it for the whole of 411 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: the NFL players. 412 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: The hard part about this because you know, one thing 413 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: that really blew my mind when I first started working 414 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: with athletes, and the reason I love working with former 415 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: athletes is you get context on this right And so 416 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I first started in this 417 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: business yelling about the franchise tag and it was Michael 418 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: lig Senior that said, hey, it's never going to change because, 419 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: correct the franchise tag impacts thirty two players out of 420 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: three thousand. So having a better understanding of the fact 421 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: that you've got a bunch of people with different timelines 422 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: on their career, a different monetary spots in their career 423 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: makes it tough for the union to come together in 424 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: one way that really negotiates against thirty two ownership groups 425 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: that do have one common vision, one common timeframe, and 426 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: much more commonality when it comes to financials. So you're 427 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: not negotiating on even ground, and I want to acknowledge 428 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: that as part of the difficulty. 429 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: I also though, you. 430 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Know, I mean, I was a member of SAG after, 431 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: which has one hundred and sixty thousand members. I was 432 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: a member of the American Federation of Musicians, which has 433 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: eighty thousand members. So like, I understand what it's like 434 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: for a union to negotiate for large groups and how 435 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: difficult that can be. What I have a problem with 436 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: is I talked to a superstar in the league, a 437 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: household name one of the biggest billboards in the NFL. 438 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: I talked to the superstar in an interview recently, and 439 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: as we were talking, I asked about his thoughts on 440 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: the collision case. And I've interviewed him enough times to 441 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: know when he's, you know, skirting around something. We have 442 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: a pretty i'd say good relationship. In the interview, and 443 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: he just looked at me blankly, and he had absolutely 444 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: no idea. He had no idea what I was talking about, 445 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: and no idea what it was referencing. Even when I 446 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: gave him the thirty second elevator pitch of Okay, here's 447 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: what's going on, he still blankly looked at me and. 448 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: Said, I need to talk talk to people about this. 449 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: I don't even know. 450 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: To me, when one of the faces of the league 451 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: is unaware of something that you know, Flora and Florio 452 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: and Andy are telling us is a huge deal, Like, 453 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: why are more people not talking about that? I become 454 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: distant to giving a damn if I feel like the 455 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: actual union that I'm supposed to be giving a damn 456 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: about doesn't give a damn about themselves. 457 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. One of my biggest uh 458 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: it's not even a gripe with a PA, but I 459 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: think that's how the players can be better about negotiations, 460 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: is they need to have superstars care about the union. 461 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the unique difficulties with you know, the 462 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: mindset of players within our union, Right, So it's a 463 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 2: you have a short career window, correct, three years. Three 464 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: years is the average. So it's hard for players to 465 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: think about the future of the league when they're in 466 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: the league right now. Correct. A lot of us are 467 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: just searching for the next contract. We're searching for that 468 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: guaranteed money. We're not gonna put ourselves in a situation 469 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: to be in the union, and it's spent an extra 470 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: time when we're just trying to get better ourselves. Correct, 471 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: it's very selfish, I understand that. But there are players 472 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: who are secure enough with their contracts that they are 473 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: not sort of in the same boat the rest of 474 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: us are. And those are the superstars. Correct, that's t J. 475 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: Watt getting one hundred and eight million dollars guaranteed. That's 476 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: a quarterback getting x amount of dollars guaranteed. And the 477 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: union leadership desperately needs those guys to be in the room. 478 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: They need those guys to be player reps. They need 479 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: those guys to be the guys that negotiating, those guys 480 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: to be the head of the table because for Copanies 481 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: is one. They tend to be leaders. Correct, Their their quarterbacks, 482 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: they're leaders of the team. Players look up to them, 483 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: they follow them, right, they listen to them. They tend 484 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: to be smart, like they're the only there's their quarterbacks like, 485 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: they they're smart, smart guys, right, And we need those 486 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: guys in leadership positions. If you look at the history 487 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: of of the of the NBA, part so that Chris 488 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: Paul was was the president for many years. Max Schurzer 489 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: at the height of his career was was was involved 490 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: heavily in the in the Baseball Players Association and and 491 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: fits we we have a we have a we have 492 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: a gap right now, I think uh in in our 493 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: leadership where those guys are not part of it. I'm 494 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: not saying that that that you know, that would fix 495 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: all the problems, But imagine if Patrick Mahomes was at 496 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: the negotiation table and part of this process, Josh Allen 497 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: was part of the prost Lamar Jackson, it would probably 498 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: look a lot different. And I just I again, it's 499 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: kind of a hope of mine. It's you know, it's 500 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: very hard to pull off with these guys, to them 501 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: to do these things, but it would be so helpful 502 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: for the players. If the superstars were were in charge 503 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: in leadership positions that really cared about what's happening with 504 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: the PA, it would help us a lot. 505 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, I'll go back to sag Aftra. 506 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: When there's an actors strike, nobody wants to hear from 507 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: a bid actor. You saw on one TV show even 508 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: though that's the person that really. 509 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: Needs the help. 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Like you're hearing from Tom Cruise for a reason, right, So, 511 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: Like your point is an important one because there is 512 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: a a process in my mind of you know, half 513 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: the point of this is to fight the pr battle. 514 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: You know, it just has to be because. 515 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: Through it all, and this is one of the weirdest 516 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: parts of fandom. We sit here constantly and yell. There're 517 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna be people that sit there and say TJ Wat's overpaid. 518 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: Every single time a player gets paid, we yell and 519 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: I remind people that the salary cap is based on 520 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: a percentage of the overall earnings of a team. 521 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: So it's fifty percent essentially of of what was earned. 522 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: Right, So if the salary cap this year is three 523 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, then the fifty three players active or 524 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: splitting three hundred million dollars over simplification of math, But 525 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: that also means that Jerry Jones is making the other 526 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: three hundred right. Like, So we see here constantly, and 527 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: we got to understand that no matter how rich these 528 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Eli Manning can't afford to buy into the Giants, 529 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: Like the owners have so much stinking money they can 530 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: take time off, they they can out They'll always be 531 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: able to outweight, outspend and out patient that the players association. 532 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: So part of this has got to be a PR battle, 533 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: And if you're going to find a PR battle, I'm sorry. 534 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: JC Tretterer was never the guy to do that. It 535 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: needs to be somebody that we see every day that 536 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: if we were doing a cartoon about the NFL would 537 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: be one of the star featured players on it. If 538 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: it's not, then people just aren't going to give a damn. 539 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: They're not. They're not. And you know, again, it's about 540 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: the players, you know, having a voice and wanting to 541 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: own to own this. And I look, I get I 542 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: get that short term thinking is a big process in 543 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: the NFL, because again, careers are very short and I 544 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 2: totally understand. I know what I thought that way as 545 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: a player as well, and unfortunately a lot of us 546 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 2: as we get older, we realize how important, you know, 547 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 2: being involved in the PA can be to our careers 548 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: and to our post career plans. But it would just 549 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: it would help just tremendously if one of these quarterbacks 550 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: stepped up and became the voice of the players. I 551 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: don't think we've been in a situation where the PA 552 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: presidents being you know, not fired, but having you know, 553 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: to go away after two years. I don't think we 554 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: would have hired someone like that. Again, I don't think 555 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: that the leadership seems to be looking out for the 556 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: best interest of the players to be looking out for 557 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: the better of themselves at the moment. You know the 558 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: collusion thing, Imagine knowing that as you go into contract negotiations, 559 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: like to imagine an agent knowing that the NFL was 560 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: colluding behind the scenes to to limit your your your contract. 561 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: It would be so powerful. And the PAH just decided, nah, 562 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: we're not going to use that for a lot. It 563 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: just there's no explanation for why they decided that. I 564 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: can't imagine the reason they wanted to hide that from everybody. 565 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: And again it makes me wonder if they have the 566 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: best interest of everyone when they again decide to make 567 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: decisions they make. 568 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever talked to Damian 569 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: Woody and I asked Woody about. 570 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: What we were talking about NFLPA stuff. 571 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: And I asked Woody, I said, what's the one thing? 572 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: And I didn't even finish my sentence before Woody started 573 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: screaming lifetime healthcare and that's just not gonna happen. 574 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: That's too unrealistic. 575 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. But like, those are the things 576 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: that I think when you first start in the league, 577 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about it, right, Like you're just you 578 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: don't care about that. Then you get out of the 579 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: league for a few years and you realize some of 580 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: the issues that you're having, and certainly there are other 581 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: ways to try and get some help on that. But 582 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing how when you're in it, it's 583 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: hard to think about I do wonder and tell me 584 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: what you think, Like, now that we're in this in 585 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: a world where college kids are making you know, they're 586 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: their their grown ass professionals, Yeah. 587 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: You got you got high school kids making nil? 588 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Does it change the way that they come into the 589 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: league with the business mindset in a few years, coming 590 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: in from day one knowing that they've already got something 591 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: in the bank. Many of these kids, and they're negotiating 592 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: from a different spot in the process of where their 593 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: life is. 594 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: So the idea they'll be better better negotiators because they 595 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: don't need the money exactly. 596 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 3: They don't need as much. 597 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: Well, I mean like, if you walk into the day, 598 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: you walk in you've already got a few million bucks 599 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: in the bank and you've already been dealing with business dealings. 600 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: Do you come in with the better mind? 601 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: I get yeah, I could see that, but you have 602 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: to to want there to be a chane. Look the 603 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: leverage NFL players have or just not playing right? And 604 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: have those young players made enough money to miss a 605 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: month of of NFL salary because we get paid for 606 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: game we play right, you pay during the regular season. 607 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: You know? Is that is that? Are players willing to 608 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: sit out for a month to gain the leverage they 609 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: need to make more money? It's that simple. And if 610 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: the premise is that they have more money out of 611 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: college and that means that they're more willing to do that, 612 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: I agree with you there. But those are the tough 613 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: decisions that have to be made. And I think again, 614 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: I go back to say we keep going. It'd be 615 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: a lot easier to make them. If Patrick Mahomes was 616 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: trying to tell you guys, it's okay, you know, like, 617 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: we got you guys, We're going to figure this out together. 618 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: We're going to do what's best interest in the NFL, 619 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: and just trust this on this. We got your back. 620 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 2: It would be easier than jac trying to tell you 621 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: that you know yeah. 622 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: And it's the craziest part about all of this is 623 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: that you're right. The only recourse for players is to 624 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: sit out games. And at some level, I've always contended 625 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: that if you put true serum in most fans veins, 626 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: they don't care as long as their favorite team wins. 627 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: They don't care. 628 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: And it's a harsh way to say it, especially I 629 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: realize I'm saying it to a former player, and so 630 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: it's harsh to say this, but they don't care. And 631 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: I made the argument for years that you know, God forbid, 632 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could ever imagine what happened on 633 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: the field to a player, it would take two or 634 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: three days before people are like, well, who's the new linebacker. 635 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: I made that comment for years, and then it was 636 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: on radio when DeMar Hamlin suffered his incident, and I 637 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: remember after two days the bosses came. It was Harry 638 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: Douglas and I were doing radio at the time, and 639 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: the bosses came to Harry and I two days in 640 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we gotta change the pace of this. 641 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: You got to start talking about what's next. We got 642 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: to move off of this topic. And like it took 643 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: two days and someone almost died on the field. So 644 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: like when you were dealing with the level of apathy 645 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: that at some level the buying audience just wants their 646 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: football and they just want to see their favorite team win. 647 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: I think you've got to understand that in your business dealings. 648 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: But it also that's why the pr portion of it 649 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: becomes even more important, because you are fighting it up, 650 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: will battle the entire way. 651 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: As inhumane as that sounds to say it out loud, fans. 652 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: Would get over it quickly. They wouldn't like it, they 653 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: would get over it. And if you about the fans, 654 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: it's it's so fascinating to me when you social media 655 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: is not real life. I was actually playing with someone yesterday. 656 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: I sent them a text like praising them for something, 657 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: and they said, they get they get so caught up 658 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: and the negativity on social media, and I said, well, yeah, 659 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: I mean, social media is not real life. Don't worry 660 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: about it, like, don't take it seriously. But people side 661 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: with the billionaire owners all the time over the millionaire players, 662 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: and I get it's a battle between you know, people 663 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: that have more money than most and I get how 664 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: how that would make someone feel. But as an employee, 665 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: you would never take the side of ownership. You take 666 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: the side of the employee. And yet when it comes 667 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: to these negotiations and some of these these things that happened, 668 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: so many people on social media to take the side 669 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: of ownership. I find it so funny, Like they would 670 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: they would in their in their own personal life. They 671 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: would not take the side of ownership at the company 672 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: they work out, they think the side of the employee, 673 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: of the labor and yet for some reason, on the 674 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: Internet they take the side of of of the of 675 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: the of the management all the time. I find it 676 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: so fascinating how that dynamic is. And if players set 677 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: out for a month, the majority of fans, at least 678 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: on the internet would take the side of management, and 679 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: of course when football came back, they'd be football fans again. 680 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: They're not losing any fans over this in the end, right, 681 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: I mean, people would say I'm not watching NFL anymore. Yeah, 682 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: the same thing you said, you know, with with the 683 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: kneeling with COVID, you it's oh they paint and racism 684 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: on the on the ends. I'm not watching it anymore. Okay, 685 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: you all watch come on, don't lie to yourself, don't 686 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: lie to us. But people fits take the side of 687 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: management all the time. Uh, and when they wouldn't do 688 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: that in their own personal life. 689 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: The funniest part about it is it's always entitled players, 690 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: and it's like as opposed to the billionaire that is 691 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the owner. And the other part is I love the 692 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: fact that the fans love to just absolutely destroy Roger 693 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Goodell and all I think the entire time is is 694 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: it really that hard to understand that all Roger Goodell 695 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: is doing is exactly what the owners tell him to do, Like. 696 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 6: He's not out here with his own mind. Yeah, I'll 697 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 6: take I think he's done a good job. I mean, 698 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 6: I look at the NFL growth, you know, I would 699 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 6: imagine that you know he's done a good job. If 700 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 6: you were, say, hey, man, like you know when you 701 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 6: were hired to where you are now, you probably give 702 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 6: an a plus for what he's done. I think there 703 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 6: are missteps along the way when it comes to some 704 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 6: player discipline issues. I think they didn't handle the concap 705 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 6: and anything correctly. Obviously they lost it in court about that, 706 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 6: But as far as just like general things the NFL 707 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 6: has done well. They do a lot of things well, 708 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 6: and they're they're it's the best sports league in America 709 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 6: for a reason. 710 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right. At the end of the day, 711 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 3: people are going to flock to watch it no matter what. 712 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: That's been proven. 713 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: The government's not going to step in and save the NFL, 714 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: but they're trying to step in and say college football 715 00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: will tell. 716 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: You about it. 717 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Next to Jeff Swartz, I'm Jason Fitz hanging out on 718 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. 719 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 3: I'm Fox Sports Radio. 720 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 721 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 722 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 4: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 723 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,959 Speaker 4: listen live. 724 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox 725 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Jeff Schwartz, Jason Fitz hanging out for the guys. 726 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: You know, I always feel better when the government gets 727 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: involved and makes everything easy. Look, I'm just not a political. 728 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: Guy, Jeff. 729 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not like it's not a part of my being 730 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: a bucket rising and I were laughing about that yesterday. 731 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: I am that guy that's pretty pretty honestly out on 732 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: all of it like I just I don't care, and 733 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: it shocks most people. But like the number of times 734 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: I'll get tweets after a show that tells me that 735 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm a liberal idiot and a conservative idiot all in. 736 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 3: The same show, It's just that that's fine. 737 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: Like everybody, everybody wants me to have passionate political opinions. 738 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't. I just don't. 739 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: So I just want to preface that portion of the conversation. 740 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: My friend, Well, I wasn't yet political. I mean, I 741 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: have strong political opinions, but I was. This is not 742 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 2: the I mean, like three hosts to go on this show, possibly, 743 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: but not today, So I'm not this morning. It's time 744 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 2: Saw in the morning. No, I get it, though, I understand. 745 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like to qualify that before I say 746 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: anything that could be conceived like misconstrewed by. 747 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: Anybody to be able sort of a political take. 748 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: So the President's getting involved in an executive order about 749 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: nil in college football, and the first thing I thought 750 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: is what I just said, Like, the government rarely comes 751 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: in and just fixes anything, you know, So I just 752 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: look at this. 753 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 3: And think, man, everything going on in the world. 754 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: We got executive orders about nil and I'm not sure 755 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: what the point of it is. 756 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's start with this. Executive orders in the 757 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: end don't actually mean much, to be honest with you. 758 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 2: They they are directives oftentimes that have to be implemented 759 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: by Congress or by local governments. So like a president 760 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 2: can say whatever they want executive order. They can make 761 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: executive orders being like I want nil to be Uh, 762 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: there would be a salary capin nil, And well, it 763 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a directive oftentimes to 764 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: get things done. And so this is the way I 765 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: look at at at this where you know, the people 766 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 2: in charge want help from the government because they can't 767 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: do it themselves because the n is double A. And 768 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: the people in charge just put their head in the 769 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 2: sand this entire time and thought that the courts would 770 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: help them out. Do you know hardest to lose nine 771 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 2: nothing in the Supreme Court? I follow the politics closely. 772 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: I follow court cases closely because my mom was an 773 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: attorney and I wanted to be a lawyer. And I 774 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 2: find it interesting, you know, the hardest to lose a 775 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 2: case nine nothing, that's doably lost nine nothing, And honestly 776 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: they've lost everything since then. They're not gonna win anything, 777 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 2: because what's ended up happening most likely is, you know, 778 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: there's going we have to be of the union at 779 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: some point of college athletes. But we'll that's down the road, 780 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 2: I think, many years away from now. This is something 781 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: where where the people in charge are hoping that the 782 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: President and Congress can get involved because they didn't take 783 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 2: action when it was necessary. And it's it's interesting when 784 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 2: you think about this whole thing just holistically, right where 785 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: the people that are in charge right now in Congress 786 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 2: and always have been this way. I think you know, 787 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: they're free market fans, right that they believe that all 788 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: of us should have the opportunity to go make the 789 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 2: most money we can in a free market, right except 790 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: when it comes to college athletes. Where when college athletes 791 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: are making money in a free market, it's not a 792 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: fair system. And it might not be a fair system, 793 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: you know, holistically for the entire sport or sport or 794 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: the athletics. But the fact is any any way that 795 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: they try to limit their earning potential of a college 796 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: athlete or almost a professional athlete, same thing without a 797 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: collective bargaining agreement, that is not going to pass. It's 798 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: not courts are not going to let that happen. That's 799 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: not allowed. And so I think no matter what happens, 800 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 2: nothing will be implemented, no matter how many executive orders happen. 801 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: Even if if there's a law put in place, which 802 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 2: seems unlikely in Congress, they'll go to court like it'll 803 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 2: they'll lose. So the people in charge had an opportunity 804 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: to make this happen. They failed to make it happen, 805 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: and there's no going back. There's just no going back. 806 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 2: There's no way to put the genie back in the 807 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 2: bottle unless there becomes a collective bargaining agreement, a union. 808 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: They're laborers. Like all the things that happen, you know, 809 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: down the road, I think they will eventually happen here. 810 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: Which is why I continue to say. If your comment 811 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: is I want college football to go back to what 812 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: it used to be, or if your comment is I 813 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: want to limit the athletes on this or that and 814 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: what they make, if those are the thoughts that you have, 815 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: understand that you have been challenged constitutionally and you have 816 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: lost it every single I. 817 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 2: Don't even know what they do go back to what 818 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: right now? Texas Tech like these teams are. I'll tell 819 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 2: you buying rosters to be competitive. We're getting more parodies, 820 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 2: don't you guys beg all the time for we're getting 821 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 2: more parody all the time. 822 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 1: I would argue college football is better than it's ever 823 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: been in a lot of ways right now, and the 824 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: numbers continue to bear that out. 825 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 3: We'll keep breaking that down. 826 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: Plus a wild proposal for the new college football playoff format. 827 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 3: We'll tell you about it next