WEBVTT - Welcome to the Good Place

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, the daily women's

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<v Speaker 1>sports show you've always wanted. Even more than coach Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>Reeve wants us all to stop asking about the Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>roster at links games.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to tell you all about us at a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few, but first we start every show by giving you

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to know today. The US women's national

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<v Speaker 1>soccer team played its final Olympic sendoff match last night

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<v Speaker 1>against Costa Rica in Washington, DC, and that's it for

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<v Speaker 1>tune ups. Next time they play, it's for keeps. The

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<v Speaker 1>opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics is just over one

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<v Speaker 1>week away on Friday, July twenty six, but Olympic soccer

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<v Speaker 1>actually begins a few days before that, so the US

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<v Speaker 1>opens up its tournament on Thursday, July twenty fifth with

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<v Speaker 1>a Group B matchup against Zambia. Episode two of the

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<v Speaker 1>eight part Docuseriies in the Arena Serena Williams drops tonight

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN Plus, and it details her struggle to keep

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<v Speaker 1>up momentum after her first Grand Slam, and also her

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<v Speaker 1>sperience competing with older sister Venus when she was the

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<v Speaker 1>world number one. It has been really fun to watch

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<v Speaker 1>so far, and it also feels really good to be

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<v Speaker 1>in an era where female legends like Serena are getting

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<v Speaker 1>their flowers while they're still here. We're only two years

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<v Speaker 1>removed from her retirement and we already have this multipart

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<v Speaker 1>doc which is so great. Cameron Brink, former Stanford women's

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<v Speaker 1>basketball star and rookie with the WNBA's La Sparks, did

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing photo shoot and interview with Flaunt magazine. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you should be but if you're not yet familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Brink, I think this tweet sort of sums her up.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote it's like the Cameron Diaz Factory decided to put

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<v Speaker 1>out at Kevin Durant.

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<v Speaker 2>Just check out the photo shoot and it'll make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just another example of the incredible versatility of

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<v Speaker 1>all these WNBA athletes, and especially this rookie class. They're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing so much flavor, so much personality, and really handling

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<v Speaker 1>the bright spotlight so well. And if you just remember

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of the w where players look like

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<v Speaker 1>they were exclusively allowed to shop at Ann Taylor, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like things are just really different now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we wish we were watching Cameron on the court as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's currently out with an ACL tear, and that

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<v Speaker 1>injury also means she's no longer able to compete in

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<v Speaker 1>three x three at the upcoming Paras Olympics, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a super bummer. Speaking of three on three, we're continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to get details about the thirty players that are participating

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<v Speaker 1>in this new Unrivaled Basketball League. We're getting one new

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<v Speaker 1>player named every day. And the league, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard about, is created by the New York Liberties Brianna

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart and the Minnesota Lynx is Nefisa Collier. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a three on three format and tip off

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<v Speaker 1>in Miami in January of twenty twenty five. And the

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<v Speaker 1>cool thing about this is it's going to offer all

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<v Speaker 1>these WNBA players a chance to stay and play in

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<v Speaker 1>the US during the offseason. You could see all the

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<v Speaker 1>players that they've been out so far at www Dot

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<v Speaker 1>Unrivaled dot Basketball. We got two WNBA games tonight, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's before the Olympic break takes over. So Alicia Gray

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<v Speaker 1>in the Atlanta Dream hit the road to face the

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Links. Links are without their star and Olympia and

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<v Speaker 1>Nafisa Colliers. She's missed the last four games with Planner

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<v Speaker 1>fashion pain in her left foot dream are just outside

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff picture right now. Meanwhile, Minnesota's flirting with third

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<v Speaker 1>place in the standings. Game tips off at one Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>on League Pass, So go ahead, take a long lunch

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<v Speaker 1>break and watch that. And we've also got Caitlin Clark

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<v Speaker 1>and the Indiana Fever heading down south to play Arique

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<v Speaker 1>Agunbowalle and the Dallas Wings.

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<v Speaker 2>The Fever are in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Battle with the Chicago Sky for eighth seed, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a last playoff spot come end of the regular season. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Wings are talented, but struggling and inconsistency has pushed

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<v Speaker 1>them down to last place in the league. The only

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<v Speaker 1>good news about that is producer Misha's mystics aren't last anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll talk some about that later. Game tips off

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<v Speaker 1>at seven thirty pm Eastern on ESPN. Also, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA All Star Game is this weekend, with the US

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic team taking on the All Stars. We'll get more

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<v Speaker 1>into that the next couple of days as we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>pumped and excited for Phoenix. Okay, okay, we've waited long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make this about US hi we're so excited you're here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so so pump to get the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you awesome women's sports takes, debates, conversations five days

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<v Speaker 1>a week. As far as I know, there's never been

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<v Speaker 1>a daily women's sports podcast, and if you know of one,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely do not write in and tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know. I really want to consider

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<v Speaker 1>myself your first. Now, usually we'd dive into the day's

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<v Speaker 1>biggest stories or we'd have a guest on.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like that would be a little forward, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't even know me, and I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>can't introduce a whole other person already. I haven't even

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<v Speaker 1>bought you dinner, So I feel like maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>for play, right, It's like, take a little moment to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Sarah Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>You might know me from seeing me on Around the

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<v Speaker 1>Horn on ESPN, perhaps intentionally, or maybe just at an

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<v Speaker 1>airport or a gym or in a restaurant, because that

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<v Speaker 1>show is everywhere and it's the one with the little

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<v Speaker 1>faces in the boxes. If you haven't seen it, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you saw me on Sports Center Outside the Lines. E's

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<v Speaker 1>sixty highly questionable Dan Levittard show, my old podcast on ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what she said, My.

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<v Speaker 1>Old radio shows Spain and Fifth it's Izzy in Spain,

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<v Speaker 1>Spain and Prim the trifecta.

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<v Speaker 2>YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we even listened to back when I started my

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<v Speaker 1>career in Chicago at ESPN one thousand or Mouthpiece Sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we even met at a bar in La in

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<v Speaker 2>my twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is, I have been at this for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty years, and that's included spending the last fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>covering both men's and women's sports for ESPN. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking around as we start this show and thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>how I've really dreamed of the kind of women's sports

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<v Speaker 1>landscape that we have today. And I know that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw ways to go, but it is really awesome watching

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world catch up to those of

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<v Speaker 1>us who knew the product was great and that the

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<v Speaker 1>audience would be there if we just gave it a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And so between media coverage and merch and streaming services

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<v Speaker 1>so we can watch more games, social media accounts dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>solely to women's sports, all of that plus this massive

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<v Speaker 1>shift in societal expectations have really changed the game entirely,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps that biggest change is society. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched the media and just America at large slowly

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<v Speaker 1>stop requiring that women leave their identities at the door

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<v Speaker 1>in order to be welcomed into sports.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bad. It was really bad, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, youngsters, you would not last an hour

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<v Speaker 1>in the asylum where they raised me when I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that if you used to google best female athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>you only got lists of the hottest ones.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not an exaggeration.

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<v Speaker 1>Top results every time, not the best athletes, but the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest female athletes. And the same with media hottest sportscaster

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<v Speaker 1>list or endless blogs about which women you want to

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with and also why women were ruining sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's just my Twitter mentions, just kidding, sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>But for real, I've watched the landscape change, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>stopped demanding the sort of homogenized idea of drinking beer,

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<v Speaker 1>eating a steak, and quoting bro movies as the only

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable identity for people who love sports. Society has started

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<v Speaker 1>to let women, athletes and fans and media be multi dimensional,

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<v Speaker 1>be queer, straight, virtuous, villainous, funny, serious, fashionable, sporty, feminine, masculine,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the secret sauce to all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was never about being one of the guys or

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<v Speaker 1>trying to copy men's sports. It was about being authentic

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<v Speaker 1>and genuine and just letting women's sports be their own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what we want to do here on Good Game.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about how sometimes things look a

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<v Speaker 1>little different in women's sports. Those where else but women's

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<v Speaker 1>sports moments? Where else but women's sports do we see

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<v Speaker 1>a player help launch a brand new professional hockey league,

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<v Speaker 1>lead her team to the first ever championship win in

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<v Speaker 1>that league, and then take a victory lap with her

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<v Speaker 1>ten month old son in her arms. That's Kendall Coin

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<v Speaker 1>Schofield and the PWHL. Where else but women's sports can

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<v Speaker 1>we hear announcers calling to opponents embracing postmatch good sportsmanship

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the truth, which is they're dating and they

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<v Speaker 1>got to go back to the same house.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them's a winner and one just took a

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<v Speaker 2>huge l. I can't wait to get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to talk to some power couples about

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<v Speaker 1>those moments. Those are really cool only women's sports moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Players that are dating married exes who really can hate

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<v Speaker 1>each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to talk about embracing new superstars while

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<v Speaker 1>remembering that what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Now took decades and decades to build.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here because women before me were covering sports when

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't even allowed inside locker rooms. And the athletes

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<v Speaker 1>are here because for centuries women just wanted to play

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<v Speaker 1>without the pay and the fame and the celebrity and

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage and the sponsorships. And because of all those women,

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<v Speaker 1>today's athletes are getting these incredible opportunities. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>segment we're gonna call Yes and because in a previous life,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be a comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I still do.

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<v Speaker 1>So if Louren Michaels is listening, and I'm sure he is,

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<v Speaker 1>I will blow this podcast off to be on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>at Live in a second, won't even think about it twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Very happy about this opportunity, though, so if Lauren is

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<v Speaker 1>not listening, my time at Second City and my time

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<v Speaker 1>in improv taught me these magical words, this way of

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<v Speaker 1>approaching life. Yes and and it's a secret to everything

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<v Speaker 1>right now in women's sports, we need to be coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a place of yes, and both in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of yes, we're getting more investment and attention

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<v Speaker 1>than ever and we still want more, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense of yes, we've been here for decades doing this

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome aboard. We're so glad that you're here now too. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Clark, and let me tell you about maya more. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Simone Biles and do you remember Dominique Dawes. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna yes and some stuff in women's sports so

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<v Speaker 1>we can remember the greats who pave the way and

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<v Speaker 1>give context to what we're watching now. We're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to do some of the mythologizing that we always see

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<v Speaker 1>in men's sports but we don't do enough of in

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<v Speaker 1>women's sports. The Good Game Hall of Fame is going

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<v Speaker 1>to help us spread the word about great women's sports

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<v Speaker 1>lore that should be common knowledge. Stories like if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard this one, the traffic jam and the ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine Ers women's soccer team. The players were stuck on

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<v Speaker 1>their bus complaining about all the traffic that they were

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<v Speaker 1>in as they were trying to get to their World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup opening game at Giant Stadium, only to find no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that the traffic was for them, seventy eighty nine

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy two fans en route to watch their game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a cool story. Faudy talks about it. Julie

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<v Speaker 1>Foudy of the ninety nine ers team, sitting on the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>What is all this traffic? We're going to be laid

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<v Speaker 1>to the game. Oh my god, it's for us. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>If we need to know about I don't know, Derek

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<v Speaker 1>Jeter's infamous gift bags and a Rod's alleged centaur painting,

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<v Speaker 1>then I think we should know about the ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>US traffic jam, and I think we should know about

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<v Speaker 1>so many other great moments in women's sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard in part because we know it can be

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<v Speaker 1>tough to find coverage of those moments of the games

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<v Speaker 1>and the events that you're watching. I know we're all

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<v Speaker 1>sort of trading jokes on social and dipping into group

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<v Speaker 1>chats to spill the tea about stuff, and scanning different

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<v Speaker 1>websites looking to find an update on a roster drop

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<v Speaker 1>or an injury. Well, we want to be all that

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<v Speaker 1>Or you can email us good Game at wondermedianetwork dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can always hit me up. I'm at Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Spain on Twitter or x or whatever we're calling it

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<v Speaker 1>You can also hit up my amazing producers who are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be joining me every day with their insight,

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<v Speaker 1>their experiences, their knowledge. They're very important fact checking. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Azzi and Misha aka MJ Jones. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you that know me well, I did

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<v Speaker 1>not only hire Mish because their name is MJ. But

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't hurt my obsessim with Michael Jordan knows no bounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're gonna be named MJ, you it just

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<v Speaker 1>like bumps up your resume. Just a couple of dotches. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked enough about you. Now talk about yourselves, MJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell everyone everything they need to know about you, your

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<v Speaker 1>entire life story.

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<v Speaker 2>You have thirty seconds or less.

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<v Speaker 3>Woof well first and foremost, just happy to be here. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I am a former d one hooper. That's why I

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<v Speaker 3>claim to fame. Played for about sixteen years now. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to play pickup. I just kind of run corner

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<v Speaker 3>at the corner and shoot threes and try to stay

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<v Speaker 3>out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Not about defense, any defense, Oh never.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't play defense when I was a college athlete. No,

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely not. Yeah, not a defensive stalwart, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up with the WNBA. I grew up watching athletes

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<v Speaker 3>like Serena in Abby Womba and Alison Felix in their prime.

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel so lucky now to be working in

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<v Speaker 3>a job where that's my priority. Women's sports is my priority,

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<v Speaker 3>because I just feel like, you know, this space opens

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<v Speaker 3>up the conversation to so many fun, entertaining, educational and

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<v Speaker 3>important stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That we all need to be talking about. So just

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be here, Happy to be working with.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah and Alex, and can't wait, can't wait, keep doing

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<v Speaker 3>this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it Okay, Alex. Everything that everyone needs to know

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<v Speaker 1>about you thirty seconds least.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, Well, I am also extremely excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>Also a college athlete, though I would say that maybe

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't impact my identity as much as it does for

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<v Speaker 4>other college athletes. I played field hockey at Wellesley, which

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<v Speaker 4>was a women's college, and honestly, the part of it

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<v Speaker 4>that impacted me the most, though, was going to a

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<v Speaker 4>women's college where we didn't have to share resources with

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<v Speaker 4>a football team. We didn't have to share resources with

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<v Speaker 4>men's basketball teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Wellesley, the Lady Anything, the Lady stick holders. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>Wellesley mascot? The blue? The blue? What you ask? We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Cornell's big Red. I'm like, big Red.

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we just have a bear, which no one explains.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that experience impacted my perspective to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to say, what would the world look like if women's

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<v Speaker 4>sports were the priority? And I interned at my first

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<v Speaker 4>Olympics in twenty twelve because I was a huge Olympics

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<v Speaker 4>nerd still am, and I remember on day one of

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<v Speaker 4>that I was like, how do you make this your

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<v Speaker 4>full time thing? And in retrospect, I think I loved

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<v Speaker 4>working on the Olympics and wanted to work on the

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<v Speaker 4>Olympics because it was the only way in the year

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twelve that you could get paid to cover women's sports,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe not exclusively, but certainly more than most sports industry

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<v Speaker 4>jobs at that time. And I'm still around ten years later.

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<v Speaker 1>And still an Olympics expert. I'm so excited that this

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<v Speaker 1>show is starting with the Olympics about to start, because

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<v Speaker 1>Alex is going to shine with every little detail and

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<v Speaker 1>fact and I'm sure great stories about interviews and re

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<v Speaker 1>search and trips and everything you've done around the Olympics

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. So pumped for everything that y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring to the table and the conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>just so excited to get started.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's us, just a.

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<v Speaker 1>Couple of folks standing in front of a podcast Mike

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<v Speaker 1>asking you to love them. We're good game with Sarah Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us. After the break, the Bird's the word,

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<v Speaker 1>Sue Bird. We're back and we have an extra special

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<v Speaker 1>guest that's going to join us on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>But we wanted to give you a little bit of.

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<v Speaker 1>A tease because she's so special and technically I believe

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit my boss in this new endeavor, so

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<v Speaker 1>we want to make sure she feels very appreciated. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the legendary Sue Bird. So a couple things we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that I want to just give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>tease of one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so pumped about.

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<v Speaker 1>I somehow miss this, despite pretty much stalking Sue and

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<v Speaker 1>all of her social media and all of her announcements,

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<v Speaker 1>I had not heard about this new show that she

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<v Speaker 1>and her fiancee, Meghan Rapino, and their production company are

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<v Speaker 1>putting together. And when she dropped this news during our interview, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could basically hear me squealing.

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<v Speaker 2>Here it is.

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<v Speaker 5>We recently announced we're going to do like a reality

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<v Speaker 5>show around the dating lives of of women's athletes.

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<v Speaker 2>No way, where did you announce it? How do miss this?

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a touch more, which is me and Megan's

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<v Speaker 5>production company in partnership with Together, but also partnership with

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<v Speaker 5>Bunna Murray. Does I mean they're like the wizards of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my wait wait wait wait wait more details details.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically yeah, I mean we're going to follow you know,

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<v Speaker 5>any female athlete that wants to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to follow their dating lives. So whether it's

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<v Speaker 5>people who are in relationships mary, partner, husband, white, doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 5>all the above, everything in between, single dating, you know, singing,

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<v Speaker 5>mingled and just like, yeah, we don't want it to

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<v Speaker 5>be it's not gonna it's not gonna start out as

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<v Speaker 5>some salacious thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to turn into Fantasy Island.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to turn Remember you remember that show, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>it Fantasy Island?

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<v Speaker 2>America can't stop talking about Temptation Island.

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<v Speaker 5>I never watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>I never literally watched it with my dad. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird that was when we were growing up. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like they sent couples to a place.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were like, either this will bring you closer together,

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<v Speaker 1>or you'll all start having sex with each other instead,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's like that. I feel like that could be

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<v Speaker 2>this show. It's like, hey, we have a bunch of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have teammates. You might have teammates dating.

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<v Speaker 5>You might have you know, like inter league dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, different sports, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>I also really enjoyed talking to Sue about the current

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<v Speaker 1>state of the WNBA and just how close she was

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<v Speaker 1>to being one of the beneficiaries of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>hard work she put in in her twenty years in

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<v Speaker 1>the league, and whether there was like a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a mixed vibe about just how much the league

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<v Speaker 1>has blown up this year. You really like made the

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA what it is today. You and many many others

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<v Speaker 1>are such a huge part of why these current athletes

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<v Speaker 1>are getting unprecedented levels of coverage and endorsements and support

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<v Speaker 1>and love. What percentage of you, be honest, is proud

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<v Speaker 1>and happy for them, and what percentage of you is

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<v Speaker 1>jealous that you retired right before all of this.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in a pretty good place about it. I'll say,

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<v Speaker 5>like I'll say, like I was gonna say ninety ten,

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<v Speaker 5>then I was gonna say eighty twenty, So we'll go

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<v Speaker 5>eighty five. Just the difference eighty five to fifteen. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>of course there's a part of me that wishes I

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<v Speaker 5>could play, but simultaneously, I don't wish I could play

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<v Speaker 5>at forties three, Like if I was twenty three, Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>forget it. I would love to be able to go

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<v Speaker 5>back in time and be a twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 5>right now. Absolutely. I actually said that recently to someone

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<v Speaker 5>who was like, I was like, dang, I was born

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<v Speaker 5>too soon, and They're like, yeah, but you could have

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<v Speaker 5>been born earlier and it would be even worse. And

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, okay, good point. Yeah, So yeah, of

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<v Speaker 5>course I think someone will be lying if they said

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<v Speaker 5>they wouldn't want to go back like any WNBA player

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<v Speaker 5>who is now retired and play right now. It's everything

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<v Speaker 5>we always thought or always wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>We always knew that.

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<v Speaker 5>The one thing I know, I always said throughout my career.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like at times we will be like what needs

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<v Speaker 5>to change in marketing and in business and in this

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<v Speaker 5>and then that, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>but what I do know is the product on the

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<v Speaker 5>floor like that has sustained like that has not just

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<v Speaker 5>sustained that has gotten better. We've done our part.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear the full interview with the legendary Sue

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<v Speaker 1>Bird on Friday's episode, so make sure to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>But while we're talking WNBA here and this new look

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<v Speaker 1>extra popular, more broadcasts, more eyeballs, more sponsors than ever,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like some ticket holders are starting to feel

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<v Speaker 1>the pain of the league's increase popularity in the worst

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<v Speaker 1>possible way, which is their pocketbook, their ticket prices. And Misha,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to about this. I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>a huge WNBA fan, and I'm sort of torn, as

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<v Speaker 1>I often am with things like this, where when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about teams and folks complaining about so far, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sky and the Mercury sending out messages about increasing season

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<v Speaker 1>ticket prices for next year. When you hear about this,

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<v Speaker 1>you understand people being upset and being like, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to bring my whole family it was affordable. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>here forever supporting the team, and now they're gonna jack

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<v Speaker 1>up the prices. And then you also are like, oh, yay,

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA is making more money and they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>support the players and pay better salaries that take jets

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<v Speaker 1>to the games instead of commercial, Like, what's your initial reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>My initial reaction is it's a necessary evil, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm coming into this from a situation where

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<v Speaker 3>my parents were taking me to WNBA games when I

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<v Speaker 3>was two feet long for you know, five cents in

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<v Speaker 3>a smile from a little baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was that we need a check mark for

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<v Speaker 1>every time me she reminds us of how young she is,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know what, there's gonna be a noise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be like a baby like. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what that was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sound of more like a goat, but you need

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<v Speaker 1>like a baby noise for every time Mesh reminds all

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<v Speaker 1>of us that she's the youngest one here.

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<v Speaker 2>She was in diapers when the WIBA started. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>carry out.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna get a little button that I can press

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<v Speaker 3>every time I come on like that go. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>initial reaction, it's a necessary evil. I hate that it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably going to price people out of certain seats. The

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<v Speaker 3>hope is that they can figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that the gen and Mission big sections that

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<v Speaker 3>most folks who are bringing families those can remain a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more affordable. But then those folks who want

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<v Speaker 3>to sit courtside and flash all the Gucci and Prada

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<v Speaker 3>and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Young can pay a few extra dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I always feel bad for the diehards

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<v Speaker 1>that get priced out, but I think this bothers me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more when it's a men's league that's been

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<v Speaker 1>around forever and they're really just taking advantage of fans

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<v Speaker 1>and doing it repeatedly year after year in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like necessitated by the market or any other reason.

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<v Speaker 2>In this case, it feels sort of necessary. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bummer. It's a bummer for a lot of folks.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you said, you got to get that money.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I think, if you ask those diehard fans

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<v Speaker 1>if they wanted the players that they love to get

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<v Speaker 1>paid more, and they wanted better marketing and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uniforms and merch and all the things that cost money

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, they would say yes. And unfortunately it's

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<v Speaker 1>our money that's paying for it. We'll get into more

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about that as we get more information from the

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<v Speaker 1>different teams that are potentially thinking about up in those prices.

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<v Speaker 1>But we come back we have to probe into the deepest,

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<v Speaker 1>darkest corners of your soul.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just like you know, ask you a question, You're

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