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Remains committed to 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: seeking justice for wrong individuals and advocating for social justice. 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: My Next Guest was hosted new TV series created by Me, 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Every Innocence on TV one, a series based on citizens 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: convicted of crimes who would later exonerate. Please Welcome to 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations. Attorney Benjamin Crow from good Morning, Good morning, 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: good morning, I love bus ain uping, I'm good, big brother. 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: I first want to play thank you, Sirashaw McDonald, because 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I was one of the first benefactors of the Money 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: Making Conversations before he formalized it. It is because of 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: him that I've been able to raise my platform and 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: go on TV and talk about these important messages about 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: fighting foud, children, speaking up for our charitment, trying to 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: prevent the next halt tag. And that's all because Rashan 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: McDonald had been and to say that you have a 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: voice that we need to get out to the greater society. 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: And so I want to thank you at publicly as 41 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I have to have many times traveling. Ben Uh, where 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: are you based that? It's a little background on me. 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: What w are you based on? Where's your your business based? That? 44 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm based out of Tallahasset, Florida, but I'm expanding my 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: business as we speak. Uh, naturally, I will be having 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: a headquarters in Washington, in Los Angeles, California, and the 47 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: very near it's called it's called money May conversations y'all 48 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: expanded from Talla Askad, the DC, the l like, come 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: on now, that's that was that's the money make prepostion 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: is all about the great thing about you know, I've 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: always was aware of Benjamin and we met two years 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: ago at the Neighborhood Awards in the summertime, and he 53 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: was right. He approached me to Richard, I need you 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to put me on my map. A friend of our attorney, 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Rick answers, like, Rick, is is he serious? He said, 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: he's very serious about you keeping them out. And so 57 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: we sat down and basically what I do is I 58 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: just listen to people, and I tried to make sure 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: I understand your brand. And I think a lot of 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: people fail in that whole situation, not listening, not understanding, 61 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: not thoroughly evaluating the opportunity. So when I sat down 62 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: with him, we just started. He just called me, period. 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't represent Benjamin Crow, but I advise him and 64 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot of advised a lot of people. So you 65 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: called me to reach what about this? What about this? 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: What about this? What about this scenario? And I said, yes, 67 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I know the different scenarios. And finally, finally he said, 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: we shout, I want my own show man. I'm tired 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: of waiting on you. I said, okay, I'll go gil care. 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: So we set aside and we sat down. We created 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: evidence of innocence. With that being said, Vinja McCrow, Was 72 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: it so important that you host evidence of innocence? Absolutely? 73 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: And this really was was showned finished, And I told 74 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: what was important to me what I'm there in America 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and courtroom every day when you go in those courtrooms 76 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: and you don't take my word for it, sitting in 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: the back of the courtroom and you just see that 78 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: justice anything but in America, And so as I was 79 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: talking to him about that, he talked about, well, how 80 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: can we get the methods out better? And I started 81 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: telling him about the workout do on the Illigence Project, 82 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: and that is all these wrongfully and consperrated individuals who 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: have been clear by DNA evidence and clearly convincing evidence 84 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: that they never did the crime, and they had to 85 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: spend ten twenty years of their lives in prison for 86 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: a crime they didn't commit, mostly Black and Hispanic people. 87 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: And so Rashawn said, that is a story and we're 88 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: not gonna tell it as a story uh you know, tragedy, 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: but we're gonna tell it as the story of triumph 90 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: because the individuals never gave up even though the whole 91 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: world was saying they were wrong with saying they were guilted, 92 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: them and their family members kept the faith, they kept praying. 93 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: And so this is a story of inspiration. This is 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: a short of inspiration, and more importantly, hopefully, because TV 95 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: is such a powerful media, it can change their mindset 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: and the mentalities of all those juries that we see 97 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: across America that keep returning these just and believable verdicts 98 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: where we have everdence on video and it's clear, But 99 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: yet they keep saying nobody's gonna be held accountable. So 100 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: that's what we're doing with evidence of innocence. And it 101 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: was all your vision that helped me craft that narrator 102 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: to start trying to impact people in real life, not 103 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: just on TV. Thank you, And he's right, because I'm 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: I am a fan of those crime style dramas, but 105 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: I always felt that I wanted to put myself in 106 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: a position and somebody told me that I did something wrong, 107 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: and because they said, the jail is filled with people 108 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: not you, that's that's the general sentiment. But there are 109 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: people in jail who should be in jail. And when 110 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: I sat down with Benjamin attorney, Benjamin, I went, um, 111 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: what what point in that when I would have given up? 112 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Maybe what point what I've been motivated to say, I'm 113 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: gonna get out? And some of these people have been 114 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: inconcerated for twenty seven years, to imagine twenty seven years 115 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: of your life. At some point on that journey, you 116 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: said I give and these people didn't say that. And 117 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: we we went to with the Dallas. We've been to Atlanta, 118 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: We've been in Portlands, We've been the harder all the 119 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: places we've been. Benjamin, what was your favorite case that 120 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: we that we produced so far. But that's a difficult cause. Say, 121 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean, all of them are the individual cases, and 122 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: I can give a lot of credits for that. What 123 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: people really don't understand about rashand McDonald it's his ability 124 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: to lift. Now he's gonna give me his opinion. But 125 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: he was listening, I mean to every thought, every con sillable, 126 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: everyth you try to explain. And so he told he 127 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: be Warren and the producers as Jupiter, that hey, we 128 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: don't want these crickets on the shows we want. We 129 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: showed the Bigness stand as its own show with a 130 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: different theme and a different method. So whether it's the 131 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: gay and lesbian uh case of in Portland, Oregon, or 132 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: whether it's the brother down and Ballas who got out 133 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: and when he got out him and his mentor that 134 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: he met in prisons on it mouth of freedom was incredible, 135 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: or whether you go to Harford, Connecticut, Uh, and that 136 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: was an incredible story in Atlanta, the sister who was 137 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: wrongful incarcerated for the shape baby syndrome. It was her husband, 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: this black man, this black glove. It wasn't into these 139 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: organships where somebody from outside our community had to come 140 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and save us. It was a husman who stood in 141 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: the gap that never gave up. I mean they re 142 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: mortgaged their home, they are borrowed money from everybody, but 143 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: he just believed and his wife, So I can't pick 144 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: which one is the best person. You gotta watch small 145 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: It's it's amazing that. Then that's what we're trying to 146 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: do with ladies, Jim, That's what I'm trying to do. 147 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to engage with money making conversation. 148 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: Also the stories that I tell I wanted to be impactful. 149 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: Now now you're not just doing things for Rashan McDonald 150 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: evidence and innocence. Now you're involved. They'll become a martial 151 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: movie that's coming out this fall. Correct, you're making a 152 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: camera on that, Yes, sir, A Reginald husband who are 153 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: directed and produced Boomerang and Jane go. Uh, he's doing 154 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: a movie of my personal hero. They're good Marshall and 155 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: he asked that myself and uh Paper our parents who 156 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: are represented. Uh appears in the cameo at the very 157 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: ending of the movie to tie the past to the president. 158 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Because a lot of things that third of Marshall and 159 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the civil rights. Who offers of the past we're doing 160 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: is very relevant happening in the world today, right, and 161 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: he was brought that connection Um and China. Also, as 162 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing who killed on any with just 163 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: six week cockey shippers that everybody is uh greatly anticipating. 164 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: And that was very interesting because you got to talk 165 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: about how Trupop, even though he's one of the post 166 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: well no well of we're respected rappers in history in 167 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: the music industry, he was also a young black man 168 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: and even though he was killed than a very public 169 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: execution probably the most famous drive by student industry were 170 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: with everywhere on the night of a night type of fright, 171 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: he too did not get his due process of the law. 172 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: As many young black men, whether they're the victims or 173 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: their their cues, they don't get due process of the law, 174 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: the fair administration of justice. And that's what we're fighting for. 175 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: And that's why I thank you so much for Chane 176 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: forgiving me this platform to keep making that court. Whether 177 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm on any TV war, whatever we're doing, I'm making 178 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: that point that we too deserve due process. We are 179 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: American senators and we want our Constitution to right five 180 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: theaters too. We want out chair for the American dream 181 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: for our children. And that's the bounder in and out 182 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: the court room. Thank you, right. I just guys, just 183 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: gotta close with this one question with you here because 184 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: of the fact that you know you made a statement 185 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: to me, and I always bring it up, the statement 186 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: that that he made to me. That lets me know 187 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: that I'm going to tea to move forward my platform 188 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: of exposing him information everybody is that he said go 189 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: to He said, go to any court room in America, 190 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: sit in the back of the court room, and you'll 191 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: see that justice is not justice for all that's important 192 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: and that should resonate. And so that's a quote I 193 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: got from him as a quote that I use all 194 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: the time. It's a passion quote for me because when 195 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling my stories that most of my stories are 196 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: gonna be African American driven. You have to important that 197 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: when I say leads back a tone of opportunity to 198 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: tone of success, in a tone of belief that you 199 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: too can be successful. That's the basis of money making conversations. Amen. 200 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: So before we close, Mr Cropper attorney or what what 201 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: what you got all your schedule coming out this week. 202 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: Where I got a creative schedule is always they're going 203 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: over the past to participate on the panel of talking 204 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: about coach just howably we prevent uh our children from 205 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: becoming the death past pad right. And then certainly we're 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: working on the documentary about in the Sheriff Nicles, Woman 207 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: and Motion, which is a great story about how this 208 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: sister not only used to influence on television, but used 209 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: it to recruit minorities and women into the space program. 210 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: So you know, rich you you got me doing all 211 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of things. Now, brother, if you open this door, 212 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and then I have to say this conclusion. Money making 213 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: conversations is such a rivet and concept um. It really 214 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: is tied into what we talked about in the courtroom 215 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: when we talk about the American dream based on the 216 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: U S Constitution has to be uh opportunities for all 217 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: our children. And so when you talk about the American 218 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: dream and you talk about many making conversations, isn't that 219 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: what it's about, trying to write children a better life, 220 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: give out children a better future. Right? And so I'm 221 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: with your brother, your vision is incredible. You about so 222 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: many that you don't know you're inspired. I mean lawyers 223 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: who I'm working with. 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