Speaker 1: Smith that to his right.
Speaker 2: End zone shot cap.
Speaker 3: For the Scorn.
Speaker 2: First and goal one on one at the top with
Speaker 2: DK metcalp.
Speaker 1: Here is Horker for the touchdown.
Speaker 3: This's what's back tap the other.
Speaker 4: Way Witherspoon, Devin wetherspoone cuts.
Speaker 3: Back one a night for the rookie.
Speaker 2: You think they love him in Seattle.
Speaker 5: How about six points touchdown Witherspoon.
Speaker 1: No flags.
Speaker 4: You know, typically with these Island games, we'd like to
Speaker 4: give you that little buff of highlights and we'll mix in,
Speaker 4: you know, one from one of the losing team and then.
Speaker 2: A couple from the winning team.
Speaker 4: But some games you gotta go triple play for the victor,
Speaker 4: and this was that case for the Seattle Seahawks who
Speaker 4: went to the Medalands and really put the Giant season.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get crazy here, and we'll get
Speaker 4: to it, but to me kind of on ice in
Speaker 4: some ways, with a twenty four to three win in
Speaker 4: front of seventy five let's say about sixty six thousand
Speaker 4: furious Giants fans and about ten thousand delirious Seattle fans,
Speaker 4: or at least that's how it sounded as they took
Speaker 4: over that building in the swamp late in the game.
Speaker 4: A dominating performance by the defense of the Seahawks. Bobby
Speaker 4: Wagner one of four Seahawks to have two sacks in
Speaker 4: this game. I believe they had eleven total, and it
Speaker 4: was that pick six that put the game away. But
Speaker 4: in many ways this was really as one sided as
Speaker 4: it gets, even if the score wasn't quite as dramatic
Speaker 4: as one would say for a total boat race.
Speaker 2: Dan Hans is here with.
Speaker 4: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler on a Monday night. Gregy,
Speaker 4: you love your Seahawks, you love your Geno Smith, but
Speaker 4: this is like, this is a beautiful win for.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's team.
Speaker 4: And you could tell by Carl's reaction on the sideline
Speaker 4: this is right up his alley.
Speaker 2: He's going to sleep well.
Speaker 6: Tonight, yeah, because all he's wanted for what eight years
Speaker 6: now is to bring it back, bring it back to
Speaker 6: those legion of boom defenses that they celebrated in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6: Just a week ago, they had a big celebration in
Speaker 6: Seattle as all the players coming back except for one
Speaker 6: player who's still on the team that they were celebrated,
Speaker 6: and that's Bobby Wagner and him being one of the
Speaker 6: guys with two sacks to me was fitting because they
Speaker 6: had eleven sacks. Just it's just bonkers in a good
Speaker 6: defense this year. I think they have the pieces to
Speaker 6: get better. Stomping on incompetent opposition is a sign of
Speaker 6: a good defense. But Wagner is part of a second
Speaker 6: level of a defense that got those sacks. You mentioned
Speaker 6: that the four guys got too. Jordan Brooks was one
Speaker 6: of them. Devin Witherspoon was one of them. He had
Speaker 6: the game of the year I think any rookie has
Speaker 6: had on defense, and then Nuoso had the other two.
Speaker 6: It was just crazy, and they have playmakers on those
Speaker 6: second level. And when you're playing the Giants, everyone looks
Speaker 6: like they have defensive playmakers because they can't block anyone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it was the perfect storm of like
Speaker 7: absolutely celebrating what the Seahawks did, but you are facing
Speaker 7: a Giants line that already arguably the worst line in
Speaker 7: the league, had no Andrew Thomas, they lost their starting
Speaker 7: center John Michael Schmidt's in the middle of the game
Speaker 7: early on, and it just seemed like a fiery, angry
Speaker 7: boulder rolling downhill because it became almost an absurd.
Speaker 3: Sport event to me to watch because it's, you.
Speaker 7: Know, it's like you're not gonna win this game, like
Speaker 7: you're just simply We're watching Daniel Jones, who is a
Speaker 7: massive athletic man being punished over and over, and it's
Speaker 7: like every couple seconds, another takedown, another sack, And I
Speaker 7: don't really remember a game like that because this was
Speaker 7: only one sack away from the NFL record of twelve
Speaker 7: and this is a very kind of rare event, and
Speaker 7: it like for the Giants, I think, like you know,
Speaker 7: Dan and I were both friends with a ton of
Speaker 7: Giants fans. It's like the hope is receding and disappearing
Speaker 7: with each drive that crumbles into nothingness.
Speaker 3: There's no explosive plays.
Speaker 7: And you can criticize Daniel Jones, I don't really because
Speaker 7: it's like he yes, he's indecisive, Yes he's getting nothing
Speaker 7: done back there, but go find me a quarterback that
Speaker 7: can survive behind the offensive line as it currently stands
Speaker 7: for the Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have.
Speaker 4: It's interesting and it's crazy because no one got more praise,
Speaker 4: and rightfully so, the way Brian Dable took this Giants
Speaker 4: team from dumpster fire under Joe Judge to a really
Speaker 4: co adhesive, strong willed team that played tough every week.
Speaker 4: Even the games the Giants didn't win last year, many
Speaker 4: of them. They were competitive in the losses. They get
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, didn't they got to win in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And you know this team now a year later, they
Speaker 4: look Dare I say poorly coached or is it the
Speaker 4: personnel that's that much worse this year?
Speaker 2: I don't know. And I think when you saw a.
Speaker 4: Great job and it's one of the benefits of these
Speaker 4: primetime games because you have such great coverage and so
Speaker 4: many cameras and you know they're capturing everything, so many
Speaker 4: cutaways to the Giants fans because and just they're stunned,
Speaker 4: they're angry because this was not supposed to be this season.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what you're trying to figure out,
Speaker 4: how this team that with the same coaching staff when
Speaker 4: everybody was saying they are on the right track and
Speaker 4: they're a smart, well coached team that's getting better. Now
Speaker 4: they look like one of the worst teams in football
Speaker 4: through four weeks. And I think that's been one of
Speaker 4: the biggest surprises of the league for me.
Speaker 6: They had a shot of a fan with a brown
Speaker 6: paper bag on and I think this was such a
Speaker 6: perfect night for what you were talking about. I don't
Speaker 6: think Brian Dables a bad coach, but there was one
Speaker 6: team in this game that was missing both starting tackles
Speaker 6: and were playing like late round afterthoughts at tackles and
Speaker 6: then lost both their starting guards in this game and
Speaker 6: won the game twenty four to three. Now, the Seahawks
Speaker 6: offense was no great shakes in this game either. They
Speaker 6: missed some opportunities. They didn't top three hundred yards. They
Speaker 6: scored I guess seventeen points as an offense, but they
Speaker 6: looked like they made sense. They had positive plays. They
Speaker 6: certainly had, you know, a quarterback who wasn't making as
Speaker 6: many negative plays. But I'm with you, Mark, this wasn't
Speaker 6: a game that to me, was on Daniel Jones for
Speaker 6: the most part. And I'm always happy to blame Daniel
Speaker 6: Jones for things because when he was at the back
Speaker 6: of his drop on most of those sacks, the pressure
Speaker 6: was there.
Speaker 1: It was instant like this.
Speaker 6: His first fumble came from one of the many plays
Speaker 6: where he avoided a sack, and that was because there
Speaker 6: was an absolutely free rusher. But it wasn't like a
Speaker 6: creative defensive blitz. It was Uchenna Nuosu, their edge rusher
Speaker 6: who was just completely unblocked and they only rushed four
Speaker 6: on that play, so it was like a total meltdown
Speaker 6: and you lose your center at the beginning of the game.
Speaker 1: That hurts.
Speaker 6: But I think you can give credit to the Seahawks
Speaker 6: for like, look, they're making it work Shane Waldron and
Speaker 6: making their offense very functional and the Giants can't. So
Speaker 6: that's personnel, but that's coaching too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think there's like you ask us
Speaker 7: he is it a Brian table thing? I mean I
Speaker 7: give him credit for last year. I mean coaching his
Speaker 7: human too, and like the locker room presence and who
Speaker 7: he was was like embraced for a lot of good
Speaker 7: reasons and he brought results. But right now they have
Speaker 7: PFF's thirty first ranked offense and defense going into tonight.
Speaker 7: I don't know what's going to happen to the offense
Speaker 7: after that, And I'd argue that the special teams has
Speaker 7: been equally a huge problem. That's the three things that
Speaker 7: make up your organization and your success. Over the course
Speaker 7: of the campaign, they've been getting They've scored three points
Speaker 7: in the entire first quarter. In the first quarter all
Speaker 7: season long, they've been outscored seventy seven to nine in
Speaker 7: the first half, So that changes everything you do coming
Speaker 7: out of half. And like they've had some of the
Speaker 7: worst quarters we've seen by any team. And it's just like,
Speaker 7: to me, it's the it's like the the I don't
Speaker 7: know what to do about this, but these teams should
Speaker 7: not be treating us on national television.
Speaker 3: I don't care what time of year it.
Speaker 6: Is, Sunday night football in two weeks, I know that
Speaker 6: it's even four times in six weeks, and it's it's
Speaker 6: not it's just like it's for their fans and Jets
Speaker 6: fans you know this too.
Speaker 7: It's just like it's we've got to find a solution
Speaker 7: to this. That's a separate topic. But it's just like
Speaker 7: we're we're two quarters into this game, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 7: this is utterly absurd to put in front of an
Speaker 7: international audience.
Speaker 4: With the two New York teams and it's both of them,
Speaker 4: and it's doubled up and they're both having bad years
Speaker 4: so far, and yeah, City.
Speaker 1: Such a beautiful voice.
Speaker 2: It's a sad.
Speaker 4: New York City and I'm wearing my Knickerbockers hat today.
Speaker 4: The New York Knicks, the NBA, the Yankees are out
Speaker 4: of the playoffs this year. The Mets didn't make it,
Speaker 4: had one of the more dissipate pointing years ever for
Speaker 4: their big budget, and the Jets had Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 4: then we know what happened there, and the Giants.
Speaker 2: What's happening here? Now?
Speaker 4: We got to go in all on the Knicks, and
Speaker 4: I guess the Rangers and whatever major League soccer clubs
Speaker 4: happened to be in the Tri state area.
Speaker 2: I'm not you got to ed.
Speaker 6: The WNBA finals team right now, the Liberty versus Tom
Speaker 6: Brady's Aces.
Speaker 4: So okay, do you stay on top of that if
Speaker 4: you can for me and just let me know because
Speaker 4: those flags fly forever as well. That's true, but it
Speaker 4: is it's so frustrating because, like from a New York
Speaker 4: sports fan perspective, it's been a pretty dark ride in
Speaker 4: the wilderness for you know, most of the century for
Speaker 4: the New York sports teams and for the NFL teams.
Speaker 4: This was supposed to be like a great year of
Speaker 4: growth and maybe even the Jets are a potential Super
Speaker 4: Bowl team, and the Giants were going to hang in
Speaker 4: this beastly NFC East And let's face it, like what
Speaker 4: I said at the top of the show is, yeah,
Speaker 4: this feels with the schedule the way it is they have.
Speaker 4: They're in Miami next week, and I think, like you said,
Speaker 4: they got Buffalo Sunday Night Football the week after that,
Speaker 4: and you know you're staring down the barrel at one
Speaker 4: to five and a good night nurse. So Bill, the
Speaker 4: Giants and Dables got a huge job ahead of him
Speaker 4: now to try to keep this locker room from not
Speaker 4: completely burning down under all the disappointment. And for the
Speaker 4: Seattle side of things, yeah, I would be willing to
Speaker 4: stick a fork in the Giants at this stage. It
Speaker 4: just had that feeling to me that it's just not
Speaker 4: going to be their year. And for the Seahawks, you know,
Speaker 4: they had one really bad loss greg one against a
Speaker 4: Rams team that now in retrospect, was not nearly as
Speaker 4: big an upset as it seemed at the time because
Speaker 4: the Rams turned out to be pretty damn feisty this year.
Speaker 4: But since then, they beat the Lions in Week two,
Speaker 4: they took care of business against the Panthers last week,
Speaker 4: they whipped the Giants this week, and now they go
Speaker 4: to Cincinnati and look at you, off to a what
Speaker 4: are you?
Speaker 2: Four? And oh four? O? Okay, well I'm right behind.
Speaker 1: You, baby. They were an underdog at the time.
Speaker 6: I think eventually all the casuals like me kept putting
Speaker 6: money on them and they became the favorite.
Speaker 2: So and with this.
Speaker 4: Pass rush against a week offensive line or a quarterback
Speaker 4: who's compromised like they're getting next week again, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 4: he could be a tasty lunch for this defense the
Speaker 4: way they played today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they get a bye week before that. I
Speaker 6: think that's huge they get they're getting into the buy
Speaker 6: three and one. They've had almost as many injuries as
Speaker 6: any team in football, so the bye week is big
Speaker 6: for them. They have their offensive line, but the pass
Speaker 6: rush and the defense in general has come along. And
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll defenses, even throughout this six or seven years
Speaker 6: of mediocrity, usually start out terrible. There's actually d VOI's
Speaker 6: stats about this where September they're always bottom five, and
Speaker 6: then they improve and they end up being average. They
Speaker 6: usually end up being a little better than average down
Speaker 6: the stretch. And I think there's a very real reason
Speaker 6: for it this year. It's their two cornerbacks. Riek Willin
Speaker 6: missed a couple of weeks. He was back in there today,
Speaker 6: almost had an interception himself, and then Devin Witherspoon. That's
Speaker 6: one of the best games I've ever seen out of
Speaker 6: a cornerback ever forget to run.
Speaker 1: It was just fun to watch.
Speaker 6: I know, like it wasn't all in coverage, you'd have
Speaker 6: to go watch all the coverage snaps, but in terms
Speaker 6: of just making plays on the ball with those sacks,
Speaker 6: those instinctual plays on one that was gonna be a
Speaker 6: trick play where Paris Campbell was gonna throw it and
Speaker 6: he recognized it immediately, and some of the tackles were
Speaker 6: just crazy. That's not what you think of when you
Speaker 6: think of a cornerback. But Devin Witherspoon is just a playmaker.
Speaker 6: And even in his first game, I said he was
Speaker 6: the main character of the game, and it was like
Speaker 6: a lot bad and some good. He's just like he
Speaker 6: pops off the screen. He was incredible last week. He
Speaker 6: was even better this week. And he seems the embodiment
Speaker 6: of whatever Pete Carroll wants in a defender like he's
Speaker 6: Seattle all the way. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 6: Weatherspoon jerseys were sold tonight.
Speaker 7: I also like that from a broadcasting angle, because you're
Speaker 7: righty popped off the screen that Troy Aikman had a
Speaker 7: major win because before the ninety seven yard pick six occurred,
Speaker 7: he mentioned Weatherspoon like probably six or seven times. At
Speaker 7: one point he said, he reminds me of another twenty
Speaker 7: one that I know, Dion Sanders with his profano.
Speaker 3: It's like he kept.
Speaker 7: Propping him up and then bang the pick six happened,
Speaker 7: and like the announcers booth was relatively quiet, and you're like,
Speaker 7: you know that Aikman's up there just being like, yes.
Speaker 4: I nailed that Gino Smith quiet game statistically, and he
Speaker 4: left this game for a series and shout out. Drew
Speaker 4: Locke came in connected with Noah fen on a catch
Speaker 4: and run that really put the game in control for
Speaker 4: Seattle for about a fifty yard game. I like that
Speaker 4: taunting penalty Gino got. He is speaking of feisty. He's
Speaker 4: feisty as well. I think he got admonished by Troy
Speaker 4: by the way for that, which is like, yeah, the
Speaker 4: quarterback he got to be a little more under control.
Speaker 2: But I didn't mind it.
Speaker 4: Greg I thought Gino showing a little fire. He didn't
Speaker 4: like the hit that led to his injury on the sideline,
Speaker 4: and in general seemed to have.
Speaker 2: An issue with some of the Giants defenders.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I think there was a question whether that
Speaker 6: was a late hit or a dirty hit. I started
Speaker 6: just as he was going out of bounds and then
Speaker 6: really continued and rolled up, and so he was angry
Speaker 6: about that. And I think the reason he was so mad,
Speaker 6: and this is just a guest they didn't guess on
Speaker 6: the broadcast, was Tyler Lockett got hit in a very
Speaker 6: similar fashion just as he was going out of bounds,
Speaker 6: right when Gino came back in, and it was that
Speaker 6: play where he ended up getting the penalty. And yeah,
Speaker 6: they didn't they didn't need much out of him. He
Speaker 6: actually made a couple of really nice plays moving inside
Speaker 6: the pocket. But I felt like every nice play he
Speaker 6: made or that they were making was getting called back
Speaker 6: by penalty. I mean, they were sloppy as hell on offense.
Speaker 6: And that's the thing where you're watching this game and
Speaker 6: you're thinking, Man, if the Giants could either make some
Speaker 6: big plays defensively or had any sort of an offense.
Speaker 6: Seattle was leaving the door open, especially in the first
Speaker 6: half of this game for the Giants to show up
Speaker 6: because they were just making so many mental errors and
Speaker 6: the Giants just weren't ready.
Speaker 4: I mean, it could have been if Eli, if Daniel
Speaker 4: Jones doesn't throw the pick six, they're at the five
Speaker 4: yard line. There you got a touchdown and go for two.
Speaker 4: It's a three point game going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: So that was obviously a massive game ending swing the
Speaker 4: pick six. The only person probably not smiling connected to
Speaker 4: the Seahawks tonight, is Jamal Adams, who finally returned.
Speaker 2: This was actually tough to see.
Speaker 4: Just it reminded me when he, you know, he had
Speaker 4: his great moments with the Jets. Things got ugly, gets
Speaker 4: traded there, and it's been a pretty rough ride after
Speaker 4: that first season when he had all those sacks. And
Speaker 4: he finally gets on the field after missing like a
Speaker 4: year and a half, about a year and a quarter,
Speaker 4: and on the first series he gets knead in the
Speaker 4: helmet by Daniel Jones. Clearly woozy, it was the right
Speaker 4: move to pull him out of the game. The Independent
Speaker 4: specialist on the sideline ruled him out and he has
Speaker 4: words with him, and it seemed to be how to
Speaker 4: be separated from the independent neurologists.
Speaker 2: Which I feel like is a first.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever seen like that situation play
Speaker 4: out before, so that was a bit of a bummer
Speaker 4: to see. And then my final takeaway on this rather
Speaker 4: mundane game is I did a double screenwatch.
Speaker 2: On this one.
Speaker 4: I came back to the Manucass for the first time
Speaker 4: in quite a while. It was very it was delightful.
Speaker 4: I just it's such a great product and I'm going
Speaker 4: to continue to screen it for the of the season.
Speaker 4: They even had Will Ferrell on and that was nice.
Speaker 4: And even our NFL media colleague Sean O'Hara stepped in
Speaker 4: and made a joke about Eli putting his hands between
Speaker 4: his legs that old center cornerback humor and stuff, waka wakast.
Speaker 7: I love Maning cast. I think like others have tried
Speaker 7: to duplicate versions of it and you can't.
Speaker 4: But I would say this, but you mean, like us
Speaker 4: on our NFL Plus Monday show.
Speaker 7: I would point to that as something that I'm hoping
Speaker 7: we're not trying to duplicate with this we're.
Speaker 6: Doing recap today's one with Colts Rams was a delight
Speaker 6: for the senses.
Speaker 4: I think it would be intellectually disingenuous to say that
Speaker 4: our Monday stream is not somewhat not modeled after it,
Speaker 4: but you know, visually it would be a striking coincidence.
Speaker 4: And it's it's just there's something really to me, almost
Speaker 4: wholesome about the two brothers just kind of watching this
Speaker 4: game and seeing how they interact with each other and
Speaker 4: talk about the game as two kind of famous quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: one in a legendary star and one even though Greg
Speaker 4: will try to stop it, who will go into the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame one day.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Just a great program.
Speaker 1: Well, I think both of them.
Speaker 6: I saw a clip going around of them just kind
Speaker 6: of admiring and in a real quarterbacky way. Gino Smith
Speaker 6: like play action fakes, like Peyton Manning, who is just
Speaker 6: like the master of the play action fake was just like, oh, Gino,
Speaker 6: like he has been going to play action fake school,
Speaker 6: and it is one of the things I like about you.
Speaker 1: You know, he's good at all the like.
Speaker 2: One hundred and ten yards stay.
Speaker 7: If there was night to pipe down, just a tad
Speaker 7: maybe even three to four percent of this topic.
Speaker 1: I mean he goes back to New York and wins
Speaker 1: a game. Pete Carroll goes to New York and wins literally.
Speaker 2: But you there is no going back to the Giants
Speaker 2: to win the game. It's not a thing.
Speaker 3: Did seem testy against the Giants?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: Did I seem to be something there?
Speaker 4: Little he was somebody trying to give him a double
Speaker 4: acl tair on a tackle on the sideline.
Speaker 6: He's yeah, that I hope that this isn't something that
Speaker 6: you hear afterwards that they do tests and m Ryan
Speaker 6: ends up turning into something more like a sprain that
Speaker 6: that keeps him out the bye week seems well timed.
Speaker 1: What a couple of quick last things.
Speaker 6: Just like the Giants attempted to passes over ten yards,
Speaker 6: they attempted to That's that's insane. For the amount of
Speaker 6: dropbacks that Daniel Jones had thirty four plus the eleven sacks,
Speaker 6: so that's plus the scrambles, he dropped back almost fifty
Speaker 6: times and he didn't have time to throw more than
Speaker 6: ten yards down the field.
Speaker 1: That's a catastrophe.
Speaker 4: Tennessee alum Peyton Manning losing his mind that they're not
Speaker 4: even finding any way to get Jalen High involved, the
Speaker 4: guy who's an absolute playmaker, just just a nightmare evening.
Speaker 3: It's a mess.
Speaker 7: It's hard to get high It involved though when I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know tonight, especially your quarterback Scott right half
Speaker 7: of a second half of millimeter to throw the ball
Speaker 7: like I don't.
Speaker 4: If he'd have good coaching there, there there's a way
Speaker 4: to clean this stuff up during the week. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be a huge test for Dable and the entire Coach
Speaker 4: of the Year platform.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, well, let's let's be real. Coach of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 6: I said, how defense matters a lot in terms of
Speaker 6: the schedule you play. I think if you looked at
Speaker 6: old Coach of the Year winners, I think schedule matters
Speaker 6: a lot. We've had some Dick Geron's and Matt Naggi's
Speaker 6: and it just guys that get to eleven wins off
Speaker 6: of a weird schedule. One tiny fly in the ointment
Speaker 6: for the seahawkss I've been noticing this year. The last
Speaker 6: one for me is just Jackson Smith and Jigba. They
Speaker 6: tried to get him involved. Six targets, five yards couldn't
Speaker 6: be the guy in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so many receivers have come into the league, Mark
Speaker 6: Mark you you smartly mentioned Michael Wilson today. So many
Speaker 6: receivers coming to the league flying, and they've really struggled
Speaker 6: to get any production or anything going from me. And
Speaker 6: I think they really tried tonight and it just it
Speaker 6: wasn't happening.
Speaker 7: That's like the eighth summer long narrative that we basted
Speaker 7: ourselves in. I did on the Jackson Smith and Jigba thing,
Speaker 7: and it's not panning out. I don't know if maybe
Speaker 7: we should be, you know, putting a box in the
Speaker 7: summer because it's just it's becoming embarrassing.
Speaker 4: We will a couple of years, a couple of years,
Speaker 4: we'll just shut it down for the summer. See in September, everybody,
Speaker 4: big old wave. All right, that's it for this game.
Speaker 4: Let's now pivot now and get you caught up to
Speaker 4: date on all of the news.
Speaker 2: I kind of like that as a segment.
Speaker 4: I feel like I brought it up and then we
Speaker 4: never actually do it because it doesn't sound overly pleasant.
Speaker 4: But I feel like in October check in and what
Speaker 4: we were most wrong about in terms of what we
Speaker 4: were talking about ceaselessly and August and into September. Things
Speaker 4: that surprised us that could be something.
Speaker 6: The Steelers offense is up there. They are dead last,
Speaker 6: and any paper playing I was buying it too. Almost
Speaker 6: anything that happened in the preseason now that I'm thinking
Speaker 6: about it, like c J. Stroud was the quarterback people
Speaker 6: were worried about. Everyone thrilled.
Speaker 2: It's so much better with the final week's your summer.
Speaker 2: Just savor them.
Speaker 6: Meaning on the table and in the fantasy spectacular is
Speaker 6: my one main thing to draft Damien Pierce. I guess
Speaker 6: it looks a little better after this last week. I'm
Speaker 6: not totally giving up, but that.
Speaker 7: Look, the Steelers can still win twelve games. I'm not
Speaker 7: completely that.
Speaker 4: The door is not closed. The door is not closed.
Speaker 4: Let's do some news. The door is speaking of the
Speaker 4: Steelers pivot.
Speaker 2: Bro That was good.
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett suffered a knee injury in that dreadful loss
Speaker 4: uh this week to the Texans. Wow, look at all
Speaker 4: these things tying together, and it seemed like a bad
Speaker 4: injury at the time. But here's the good news. Rap
Speaker 4: Sheet reports that Pickett has a bone bruise in his
Speaker 4: knee could miss Week five against the Ravens. It's also
Speaker 4: a muscle according to Rappaport, but he's it's in play
Speaker 4: that he could be on the field this week, but
Speaker 4: they have a buy in week six. So there's a
Speaker 4: pretty decent chance we're gonna see Mitch Trubisky this weekend,
Speaker 4: but also a pretty decent chance unless unless Mitch Trubisky
Speaker 4: balls out, that Kenny Pickett will be back on the field,
Speaker 4: as opposed to a worst case scenario which seemed in
Speaker 4: play when he went down on Sunday.
Speaker 7: It's like the inverse scenario from a year ago where
Speaker 7: we were waiting and knowing that Mitch Trubisky would have
Speaker 7: essentially at some point be benched or injured or remove
Speaker 7: from the lineup, and you come into this season with
Speaker 7: these glowing reports of Kenny Pickett that I fell for
Speaker 7: like a complete rube based off of July action in
Speaker 7: August action, and he's not looked apart, and so I
Speaker 7: have to question like if he if there were no
Speaker 7: injury or no injury, like would he be on a leash?
Speaker 7: Because I thought that Tomlin's comments after that game, we're
Speaker 7: very Mike Tomlin. It was just like, yeah, major changes
Speaker 7: could be coming, and really no one's safe. And it's like,
Speaker 7: I think that when you say that, you're not talking
Speaker 7: about your left defensive tackle. You're talking about the quarterback situation.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I think all right, I think Mitch Trubisky is an upgrade.
Speaker 6: The smallest hill I'll ever die on is that Mitch
Speaker 6: Trubisky when he came back in for the Steelers last year,
Speaker 6: played pretty well. It's very similar to my Andy Dalton
Speaker 6: was sneaky good for the Saints last year, which which
Speaker 6: is another one that feel like.
Speaker 1: It's acts like an an hill, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: It is, but it's aging, okay, because like Derek Carr
Speaker 6: looks a hell of a lot like Andy Dalton are
Speaker 6: worse right now in that offense. I was just like,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, it's not a good situation. I think
Speaker 6: Trubisky could be an upgrade on what Picket is now
Speaker 6: now how much of it is just the offense is
Speaker 6: totally broken. Pickett's taken a huge step back from where
Speaker 6: Pickett was even as a rookie. I mean, that's it's
Speaker 6: not even arguable. He's really struggling. So I think Trubisky
Speaker 6: has been around, could be an up great and if
Speaker 6: he plays well enough, I think Tomlin is I guess
Speaker 6: I don't know what the word is practical enough that
Speaker 6: he would keep Trubisky.
Speaker 2: In blame Canada.
Speaker 4: In other news, Hey, the Cults, they're engine toward getting
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor back on the field, Shane Stike, And we're
Speaker 4: pivoting now to talking to the team of Zeus TL,
Speaker 4: who were covered with great fanfare along with the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles Rams on NFL Plus in our atn Game of
Speaker 4: the Week.
Speaker 2: Which is what is the word? It is.
Speaker 1: Pristine for the senses.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like it is.
Speaker 4: It is a show that is indebted to the Manning
Speaker 4: cast but also cast its own shadow.
Speaker 6: How about that it's not derivative, right, familiar? Right, it's
Speaker 6: it's like a two and a half hour shorter. It's
Speaker 6: not a live game that we're watching.
Speaker 4: Anyway, We did Rams Cults check that out on NFL Plus.
Speaker 4: Shane Stiken, the coach of the Colts, said there's a
Speaker 4: chance Jonathan Taylor could be on the field at Week
Speaker 4: five against the Titans.
Speaker 2: Of course, he started the league the season.
Speaker 4: On the pup list with an ankle injury that may
Speaker 4: or may not still be a thing. Everything, of course,
Speaker 4: is connected to a very gnarly contract dispute between Taylor
Speaker 4: and management. The Colts opened up the twenty one day
Speaker 4: practice window, which means they have three weeks to kind
Speaker 4: of get him onto the field, and it does seem
Speaker 4: like that could happen as soon as this week. Stiken
Speaker 4: said there could be yeah, when asked about the chances
Speaker 4: that he plays.
Speaker 2: Sunday.
Speaker 4: So that's great news for the Colts, and I like
Speaker 4: Zach Moss, but he's not Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was not expecting this because I want
Speaker 6: to hear from Jonathan Taylor first, actually, before I get
Speaker 6: too excited about it. Jonathan Taylor has not spoken to
Speaker 6: the media since July, I believe, and so we haven't
Speaker 6: really known what's going on. But I just was expecting
Speaker 6: this to stay as ugly as possible and if they
Speaker 6: get him back, I mean, this this division's wide open.
Speaker 2: To that point.
Speaker 4: Greg The reporting out there as recently as last week
Speaker 4: was that Taylor was still digging in his heels, So
Speaker 4: maybe either that was erroneous reporting or something had changed
Speaker 4: between then and now. But it's certainly Listen, Taylor has
Speaker 4: as frustrated as he is Mark, he has a reason
Speaker 4: to get back on the field as well, because he
Speaker 4: is playing, trying to get paid at some point, and
Speaker 4: just disappearing for the whole.
Speaker 2: Year is not going to work for him at all.
Speaker 2: So guess it makes sense.
Speaker 7: This tells me like two things. One that the Colts,
Speaker 7: who didn't seem like too hot on trading him or
Speaker 7: doing anything with him, and like you got ownership, sort
Speaker 7: of just digging in their heels as you say, Like
Speaker 7: there were no major trade offers that ever came, even
Speaker 7: behind the scenes. So he's not able to go anywhere else.
Speaker 7: And if he doesn't play, or if he's not physically
Speaker 7: able to perform by week six, then he loses in
Speaker 7: accrued year on his rookie contract and he's not a.
Speaker 3: Free agent after the season.
Speaker 7: So I think he's you know, I don't know, always
Speaker 7: being guided by his agent and stuff, but I think
Speaker 7: there'd be a massive motivation to get back on the field,
Speaker 7: finish out the season if you have nowhere, if you
Speaker 7: can't go anywhere else, and then go to free agency.
Speaker 7: I mean, they're not going to franchise him with this situation.
Speaker 6: A lot of motivation too, I think because he heard
Speaker 6: that I took him in my running back draft and
Speaker 6: they were like that would Mark and Dan really made
Speaker 6: fun of my guy Greg for taking me and Kamara
Speaker 6: and Bijon in the running back draft.
Speaker 1: I want to prove Greg right, that's just what.
Speaker 4: Do they call it when they put the pig on
Speaker 4: the thing and it spins with the apple on him out?
Speaker 2: Is that the spit roast? That was Greg?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Greg when we did the running back draft.
Speaker 4: Just a tough not from us, even Greg. A lot
Speaker 4: of the criticism coming from outside the walls of your fortress, Well.
Speaker 3: It was put up to them.
Speaker 2: You didn't get that right.
Speaker 3: There was a public poll.
Speaker 7: I mean, you can blame the two of us, but
Speaker 7: like the public largely weighed in and they deemed the
Speaker 7: results not the two of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you gotta trust the public.
Speaker 2: They should probably make.
Speaker 1: Decisions in elections. Forget about it.
Speaker 4: We should probably stop honking and check who we all
Speaker 4: drafted and see where that is. Eric Roberts behind the
Speaker 4: virtual glass, can you check in on that and get
Speaker 4: us that info at some point? Also heading back to
Speaker 4: the field for Week five, Desmond Ritter, the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 4: quarterback who has struggled through much of this season and
Speaker 4: really did not do himself any favors in London and
Speaker 4: a tough loss to the Jaguars. It's led to a
Speaker 4: lot of heat around Arthur Smith to make a change
Speaker 4: of QB. But Smith is standing by his guy. Here
Speaker 4: is Smith's comments on the situation.
Speaker 1: Just as a follow up.
Speaker 3: If you did, is this Desmond still your starter to
Speaker 3: be clear by court?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I wouldn't be sitting there and get on
Speaker 5: that antificating about what went on in the game if
Speaker 5: we're making a.
Speaker 2: Change wearing right now.
Speaker 4: But you know, and we saw it happened on the
Speaker 4: sidelines with Mac Collins, which is actually even worse when
Speaker 4: you watched it on replay where he missed Hollands and
Speaker 4: then he went to dap him up and Hollands gave
Speaker 4: him a look like are you even kidding me?
Speaker 2: Right now? Bro? He's losing that locker.
Speaker 4: Room and Smith risks losing the locker room as well.
Speaker 4: So this is I would think guys that this is
Speaker 4: this is it for Desmond Ridder in terms of play
Speaker 4: well this week, or you're gonna take it almost out
Speaker 4: of Smith's hands because he knows they'll have to make
Speaker 4: the change to stave off a revolt. That's kind of
Speaker 4: how these things tend to go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is like if
Speaker 7: you get a coach or an organization that's like sold
Speaker 7: or bought into like draft pedigree, Well he doesn't have that.
Speaker 1: It's it.
Speaker 3: There wasn't much munch.
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of stakes in Desmond Ridder outside
Speaker 7: the fact that you know, we got glowing remarks from
Speaker 7: the owner and the coach all off season, and we've
Speaker 7: got and it's fair to give him a test and
Speaker 7: he's failing, and he's letting the team down a pretty
Speaker 7: talented roster. And I just think it's like if you
Speaker 7: had know him behind him, like when we talk about
Speaker 7: pulling Burrow, and I'm really with you on the concept
Speaker 7: of why they might do That's like the problem with
Speaker 7: him is they've got nothing behind them. But Taylor Heinekey
Speaker 7: just literally a year ago, came in around mid season
Speaker 7: and brought a little bit of life. He's imperfect, I
Speaker 7: get it, but he brought some juice and some energy
Speaker 7: to the Commanders and he's the same guy and It's
Speaker 7: like I think Taylor Heineke and this offense is almost
Speaker 7: a much what must watch sooner than later, and it's
Speaker 7: they're a weird team because they didn't take a bye
Speaker 7: after London. They have to go right back and face
Speaker 7: the Texans, and it's like, I wonder if there was
Speaker 7: a buy and they had more time to marinate in this,
Speaker 7: that maybe they make a change or do we just.
Speaker 3: Need one more terrible ridd or start.
Speaker 6: And that's because of them they request that usually there
Speaker 6: is a bye. The only reason they wouldn't have a
Speaker 6: buye is they say we don't want it then. And
Speaker 6: now they face a team that I'll save for Wednesday.
Speaker 6: But this team's kind of entering my house just saying,
Speaker 6: maybe it's injuring the hoo.
Speaker 4: Stick a pin in it, Greg, I like that. Let's
Speaker 4: go through some other injuries from around the league. Coming
Speaker 4: out of Sunday tough, tough, really one of the worst
Speaker 4: Sundays in recent memory for the Patriots, the worst blowout
Speaker 4: of the Belichick era, and their two best young defensive
Speaker 4: players go out with injuries. Matthew Judan is out indefinitely
Speaker 4: with a biceps injury. It's a lower bicep tendon tear.
Speaker 4: He's gonna miss multiple weeks. He could land on injured reserve,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of a wait and see when they
Speaker 4: get Judon back, if they get him at all. Also,
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez, who's really immediately stepped in and become kind
Speaker 4: of a stud cornerback for this team, he went down
Speaker 4: awkwardly on his shoulder and he is out indefinitely with
Speaker 4: a shoulder injury. With this also, we don't know exactly
Speaker 4: how long he's going to be out, but indefinitely is
Speaker 4: never what you want to hear. And this is the
Speaker 4: defensive player of the month last weekend as a rookie.
Speaker 4: So double setback Greggie. And it's kind of coming from
Speaker 4: all sides for Belichick right now.
Speaker 6: This is you know, the biggest, you know, most unique
Speaker 6: test of Belichick I think since he's been in New
Speaker 6: England in terms of his job security. Now, there was
Speaker 6: a minute when they were zero and two in two
Speaker 6: thousand and one. They were already chattering about it a
Speaker 6: little bit in Boston because he started five and eleven
Speaker 6: then zero and two. But this is everything happening all
Speaker 6: at once. They do have the softest part of their
Speaker 6: schedule coming up. In theory, it's such a hard schedule,
Speaker 6: but they have the Saints and the Raiders. But the
Speaker 6: Saints of the Raiders are also looking at the Patriots
Speaker 6: and being like, ooh, we got a soft part of
Speaker 6: our schedule coming up.
Speaker 1: It's the Patriots.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a defensive built team, which I innately don't trust.
Speaker 7: That lost Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Jonathan Jones, everyone with
Speaker 7: the last name of Jones.
Speaker 3: You've now lost Gonzales.
Speaker 7: Judon had thirty two sacks and thirty five games as
Speaker 7: a really good, you know, free agent pickup. But this
Speaker 7: is their identity and they're losing a piece by piece,
Speaker 7: and like that offense under duress is an eyesore.
Speaker 6: It's possibly their two best players of the team, judah
Speaker 6: On and Gonzales.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's great, not good, not good.
Speaker 4: Other injury news rap Sheet reports that Justin Herbert broke
Speaker 4: a finger on his non throwing hand in that Week
Speaker 4: four win over the Raiders. He not a pleasant thing,
Speaker 4: but the idea is that it is not a serious injury.
Speaker 2: They have a bye in Week five, which is ideal.
Speaker 4: A few of the Week five you're Cleveland Browns mark
Speaker 4: another team that perfectly time by for them as well,
Speaker 4: with their quarterback dealing with some health issues. So he
Speaker 4: gets two weeks before the Cowboys on Monday Night Football, and.
Speaker 2: We'll see where he is by then. I would imagine
Speaker 2: that he will play.
Speaker 4: And I just want to give a shout out to
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert because I did talk about earlier in the season,
Speaker 4: you know, wanting to see him with those big dagger
Speaker 4: plays to put teams away and take his team to
Speaker 4: the finish line.
Speaker 2: And we kind of glossed over it a little bit.
Speaker 4: Just a beautiful deep strike on third and ten to
Speaker 4: put that game away after the Santa Samuel bizarre step
Speaker 4: out of bounds after the interception late game. So that
Speaker 4: was a money throw from a banged up Herbert and
Speaker 4: you love to see it. And they're back to five
Speaker 4: hundred and hopefully they'll have him on the field when
Speaker 4: they play again. Also out Tron Armstead, the Dolphins left tackle.
Speaker 4: He will not play in Week five against the Giants.
Speaker 4: This is an injury plagued player, but a great player
Speaker 4: when he's on the field. McDaniel said that he believes
Speaker 4: that Armstead will play again this season, but this seems
Speaker 4: like a week to week injury.
Speaker 6: When you say they're going to play again this season.
Speaker 6: That always is very concerning, especially for a player that
Speaker 6: I feel like is an injury or two away from,
Speaker 6: you know, wondering if this is worth it because he
Speaker 6: he's crazy. On the injury report, they list Tehran Armstead
Speaker 6: with like four different injuries. I've never seen it before.
Speaker 6: It's like knee, ankle, shoulder, It's like a bunch of
Speaker 6: different things, and this seem one seems serious. It sounded
Speaker 6: like a just reading between the lines that it's probably
Speaker 6: month or month at least, and they're not the same
Speaker 6: without him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was such a I mean it was you know,
Speaker 7: vague in terms of any sort of timeline. He had
Speaker 7: left knee surgery in the off season. Your right, He's
Speaker 7: always banged up, and they were so different without him
Speaker 7: a year ago, and you just wonder how many people
Speaker 7: they can lose on the offensive line, and like he
Speaker 7: is sort of a Jenga piece for them. They have
Speaker 7: Kendall Lamb kind of a quality player, but Toron harm
Speaker 7: Armstead is sort of irreplaceable.
Speaker 4: Other injury news, we saw this coming and you heard
Speaker 4: from the comments from Sean McDermott that it was not
Speaker 4: good news around tre Dave's white. But the veteran cornerback
Speaker 4: did indeed suffer torn achilles in the Bills this week
Speaker 4: four win over those Dolphins, so his season is over.
Speaker 4: He's now suffered season ending injuries in two of his
Speaker 4: last three years. He tore a ACL in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: So you lose an All Pro and that team got
Speaker 4: worse and they have to find a way to make
Speaker 4: it work without him.
Speaker 2: Do they have the dogs to back them up? GREGI?
Speaker 6: I mean they have a first round pick, Kyrie Elm
Speaker 6: who's been a healthy scratch up points this year in
Speaker 6: that they could really use to step up. No, I
Speaker 6: would say cornerback was one of the thinnest positions on
Speaker 6: their team. They have Toron Johnson who's a good slot corner.
Speaker 6: Christian Benford is this late round pick from a year
Speaker 6: ago who's stepped up and has been solid. But that's
Speaker 6: one of their thinner spots and players injured. It's it's something,
Speaker 6: it's something to attack if you're Buffalo or playing Buffalo.
Speaker 2: And guess what.
Speaker 4: The trade deadline is a little less than one month away,
Speaker 4: and we talked about it, Mark, you and I were
Speaker 4: in lockstep on it entering the season. The urgencies through
Speaker 4: the roof for this Bills team, this core. Uh, if
Speaker 4: you think you need it, go get it, go use
Speaker 4: use some draft capital and add some depth to that
Speaker 4: secondary if if need be so.
Speaker 2: They that feels like a potential.
Speaker 1: Area Giants could be sellers.
Speaker 6: A Dorri Jackson is a guy on their team who
Speaker 6: I feel like could still have some good football in them.
Speaker 2: Might be you're the GM. You have the GM. All right,
Speaker 2: let's do.
Speaker 1: That later this month.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just button up a couple other things. So
Speaker 4: Chase Claypool, you know the drama there about the wide
Speaker 4: receiver traded for the number thirty two overall pick just
Speaker 4: last year at the trade deadline, buyer beware. And now
Speaker 4: because of comments he's made in general, lack of effort
Speaker 4: at other times on the field and just being a knucklehead,
Speaker 4: has fallen out of favor with the Bears. And then
Speaker 4: some weird messaging because everything with the Bears is just
Speaker 4: a little messed up these days or a lot messed up,
Speaker 4: where Ibra Flu's first kind of let the media know
Speaker 4: that it was the team's or is the player's decision
Speaker 4: not to be at the Broncos game, and then it
Speaker 4: was clarified that it was the team's decision and Ibra
Speaker 4: Flu said Monday that Claypool will remain away from the
Speaker 4: team ahead of the Week five matchup, but the Commanders
Speaker 4: hear something from fluse.
Speaker 5: To correct the record. For Chase Claypool. We did tell
Speaker 5: him not to be here for the weekend, including the game.
Speaker 5: We told him to be an active and active on Saturday,
Speaker 5: you know, and this morning we informed him he's not
Speaker 5: going to be here this week for the game as well,
Speaker 5: and we just feel that's best for the team at
Speaker 5: this time. So and again Ryan and I have informed
Speaker 5: him of that and that's where it is. So we
Speaker 5: just feel that's best for the team right now.
Speaker 4: Ryan is Ryan Poles, the GM who is probably having
Speaker 4: nightmares about that trade, which I think there, you know,
Speaker 4: I think you could say the San Francisco trade for
Speaker 4: Trey Lance is maybe the worst trade of the decade
Speaker 4: so far, or near the top the Russell Wilson trade.
Speaker 4: The returns are not are dreadful. We mentioned Jamal Adams
Speaker 4: that trade was not great for the Seahawks, but when
Speaker 4: you just look at what they got, what they gave
Speaker 4: up even in the moment, it was like, that's a
Speaker 4: little rich for a guy that has been a little
Speaker 4: spotty as a player, and now what it's turned into,
Speaker 4: which is a three ring circus. One of the worst
Speaker 4: trades of the decade, right near the top of the
Speaker 4: list for me.
Speaker 7: Anyway, Yeah, I throw some of the cults transactions for
Speaker 7: various failed veteran quarterbacks over the past couple of years
Speaker 7: that didn't go well. But I mean I'm watching eber
Speaker 7: flues during that thing, and it's just like sometimes if
Speaker 7: as you get higher and higher up in management, in
Speaker 7: this case, it's like you're going up the food chain
Speaker 7: and it's like, yeah, it's not so bad to be
Speaker 7: a coordinator where no one's asking me the tough questions
Speaker 7: you got to see. I mean, just watching his body
Speaker 7: leguage having to go up and deliver like a essentially
Speaker 7: an editorial retraction. I mean, it's just an uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 2: Feel good, No, like that.
Speaker 1: That was a tough scene.
Speaker 6: I mean, Claypole just probably goes without saying, but he gone,
Speaker 6: He'll be for I'm gonna put the over under on
Speaker 6: a twenty twenty four to sixth.
Speaker 2: Just a hard conditional seventh.
Speaker 7: I have a prediction where he goes okay, because there
Speaker 7: was reports for me and over the weekend that one
Speaker 7: team like that. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but
Speaker 7: we're very actively looking for wide receivers, which was the
Speaker 7: Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3: So maybe they think they can bring that guys.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's a magical leverpole,
Speaker 7: just that I think that I could see the team
Speaker 7: that's desperate for help.
Speaker 4: The guy that is a team that needs talent, But
Speaker 4: do they need like a cancer in their locker room,
Speaker 4: which I get the vibes Claypool because.
Speaker 2: I don't think he.
Speaker 4: I don't think Mike Tomlin was a huge fan of
Speaker 4: Chase Claypool the person either.
Speaker 7: So I don't think any team is saying, you know,
Speaker 7: what we really need is a cancer to destroy our
Speaker 7: locker room.
Speaker 4: So as a surprise the Panthers, it's like that's a
Speaker 4: little bit of a sensitive situation with the rookie there
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean.
Speaker 6: Crazy trades like they put the graphic up tonight when
Speaker 6: you saw the old lock to fant touchdown. By the way,
Speaker 6: I'm still here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and
Speaker 6: Noah Fan was going down the siland I was remembering
Speaker 6: our friend Chris going wild for a little Noah Fan
Speaker 6: catching passes from Drew Locke back when they were in Denver.
Speaker 6: I went through an article I loved you, lock, but
Speaker 6: they got Drew Locke Noahfense Shelby Harris in the number
Speaker 6: five overall pick who turned into Devin Witherspoon, and then
Speaker 6: they what a trade?
Speaker 2: What a trade? How about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Devin Witherspoon's playing like he played tonight, that's
Speaker 4: gonna quiet all the Jayalen Carter stuff as well if
Speaker 4: they nailed that pick all right. Finally, in the news,
Speaker 4: did not see this coming. Nobody was tracking this. Jameson
Speaker 4: Williams was totally off the radar after his gambling suspension,
Speaker 4: but the league amended it's gambling policy on Friday in
Speaker 4: a new a news dump uh, and it led to
Speaker 4: Williams having his suspension changed by nature.
Speaker 2: Of the new wording to the policy.
Speaker 4: Uh, he's a first time offender caught betting on a
Speaker 4: non NFL game from inside team facilities, so that suspension
Speaker 4: now with the rules, it was six now it's two
Speaker 4: and he's already missed four, so that kind of sucks.
Speaker 4: But the good news is he's now activated, and he's
Speaker 4: and he's part of the team, and everyone wants to
Speaker 4: see what happens with Jameson Williams in this offense because
Speaker 4: you know, he's probably the most physically gifted wide receiver
Speaker 4: on that team. It's just now, where is what is
Speaker 4: his role? Like what kind of player is he as
Speaker 4: a professional, because his rookie year was mostly compromised by
Speaker 4: rehab from a knee injury and finding his way.
Speaker 6: I know this is tempting, Mark, but because we do
Speaker 6: work for the NFL, but I think it's different for
Speaker 6: league employees. And so your plans to go to the
Speaker 6: Chargers facility tomorrow and Costa Mesa and start wagering on cricket,
Speaker 6: you know, a non NFL sport, don't do it.
Speaker 2: Don't do it, can't do it. We need you foolish.
Speaker 2: It would be foolish, Mark.
Speaker 3: That's great, Council. I'll follow that. I know we have
Speaker 3: an off data roll.
Speaker 7: I I do feel in a way because like the
Speaker 7: whole point of this was like to try to raise
Speaker 7: awareness among players, which, like I didn't know this.
Speaker 2: Rule or that rule.
Speaker 7: It's like, Okay, why did they need to announce this now?
Speaker 7: And maybe maybe it's just like they went through the process,
Speaker 7: they came up with the results and here we go.
Speaker 7: But it brings these players and Jamison Williams primarily onto
Speaker 7: a sexy team back into our world where you can
Speaker 7: spend two games telling us why he's back and why
Speaker 7: the policy has changed, and all the players see it
Speaker 7: and hear about it, and they found a way to
Speaker 7: double down on awareness for an issue that they don't
Speaker 7: want hanging around NFL locker rooms. So it's like you
Speaker 7: don't have to wait till next offseason for like four more,
Speaker 7: like you know, Dingleberry's to do the same thing and
Speaker 7: get caught and find you know, they were like these
Speaker 7: rash of fines. Now it's like, let's get into everyone's
Speaker 7: head that this is the rule, and like this was
Speaker 7: a great way to do it in the middle of
Speaker 7: the season when everyone's talking about these players in this
Speaker 7: whole entire thing.
Speaker 4: Counterpoint, roll out the policy in a clean way in
Speaker 4: the offseason, and then everybody knows what the situation is
Speaker 4: and that guy like Jameson Williams is back in week
Speaker 4: three instead of week five.
Speaker 6: Counterpoint, This guy, Mark Sessler gets it and he used
Speaker 6: Dingleberry in a big spot.
Speaker 2: One guy that didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we've touched on this on this
Speaker 4: show was Greg Rosenthal, the ATM running backstraft back in June.
Speaker 2: Let's let's take a look at that graphic.
Speaker 4: See where we're at now now that we're working at Ober.
Speaker 4: Check it out on YouTube. Mark I recall having the
Speaker 4: first overall pick, which is an immense advantage for the
Speaker 4: Cesstag and he had Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry,
Speaker 4: and Ramandre Stevenson. Dan uh had actually I think Greg
Speaker 4: had the second pick, as I recall, and he took
Speaker 4: Bjon Robinson, Alvin Kamara, Jonathan Taylor, and Aaron Jones, and
Speaker 4: then Dan took Nick Chubb, Austin Eckler, Josh Jacobs, and
Speaker 4: Berice Hall. Interesting, it's it's kind of interesting. Boys, that
Speaker 4: is anybody doing?
Speaker 7: I don't think there's a runaway here. Now, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of unavailable players.
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 4: Oh no, is this like gonna be used in negotiations
Speaker 4: against running backs? Because I'm not seeing a lot of
Speaker 4: major values here.
Speaker 6: I think Mark wins because he's the one that has
Speaker 6: McCaffrey right.
Speaker 1: And Bson's been great, Bon's been great.
Speaker 4: Yeh, I've been I've been undercut by injuries to Chubb
Speaker 4: and and Eckler unfortunately. And Jacobs finally did something, and
Speaker 4: Halls had moments, but he got Aaron Rodgers, so that
Speaker 4: was that was a tough one. I stand by my draft,
Speaker 4: but Real Football had a harsh reality call for my group.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't put this back out on Twitter, slash x
Speaker 7: or wherever to gain new opinions on this variant.
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff.
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