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Speaker 3: Back one a night for the rookie.

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Speaker 2: You think they love him in Seattle.

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Speaker 4: You know, typically with these Island games, we'd like to

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Speaker 4: But some games you gotta go triple play for the victor,

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Speaker 4: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler on a Monday night. Gregy,

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Speaker 6: It was just crazy, and they have playmakers on those

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it was the perfect storm of like

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Speaker 4: Even the games the Giants didn't win last year, many

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever seen like that situation play

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Speaker 6: Doing recap today's one with Colts Rams was a delight

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Speaker 1: You know, he's good at all the like.

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Speaker 1: I mean he goes back to New York and wins

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Speaker 7: That's like the eighth summer long narrative that we basted

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Speaker 4: I feel like I brought it up and then we

442
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Speaker 4: never actually do it because it doesn't sound overly pleasant.

443
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 4: But I feel like in October check in and what

444
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 4: we were most wrong about in terms of what we

445
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: were talking about ceaselessly and August and into September. Things

446
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 4: that surprised us that could be something.

447
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 6: The Steelers offense is up there. They are dead last,

448
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 6: and any paper playing I was buying it too. Almost

449
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 6: anything that happened in the preseason now that I'm thinking

450
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 6: about it, like c J. Stroud was the quarterback people

451
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Speaker 6: were worried about. Everyone thrilled.

452
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Speaker 2: It's so much better with the final week's your summer.

453
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Speaker 2: Just savor them.

454
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Speaker 6: Meaning on the table and in the fantasy spectacular is

455
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Speaker 6: my one main thing to draft Damien Pierce. I guess

456
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 6: it looks a little better after this last week. I'm

457
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 6: not totally giving up, but that.

458
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 7: Look, the Steelers can still win twelve games. I'm not

459
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 7: completely that.

460
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 4: The door is not closed. The door is not closed.

461
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Speaker 4: Let's do some news. The door is speaking of the

462
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Speaker 4: Steelers pivot.

463
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Speaker 2: Bro That was good.

464
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett suffered a knee injury in that dreadful loss

465
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Speaker 4: uh this week to the Texans. Wow, look at all

466
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 4: these things tying together, and it seemed like a bad

467
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: injury at the time. But here's the good news. Rap

468
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: Sheet reports that Pickett has a bone bruise in his

469
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: knee could miss Week five against the Ravens. It's also

470
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Speaker 4: a muscle according to Rappaport, but he's it's in play

471
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: that he could be on the field this week, but

472
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Speaker 4: they have a buy in week six. So there's a

473
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Speaker 4: pretty decent chance we're gonna see Mitch Trubisky this weekend,

474
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Speaker 4: but also a pretty decent chance unless unless Mitch Trubisky

475
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Speaker 4: balls out, that Kenny Pickett will be back on the field,

476
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Speaker 4: as opposed to a worst case scenario which seemed in

477
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Speaker 4: play when he went down on Sunday.

478
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Speaker 7: It's like the inverse scenario from a year ago where

479
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 7: we were waiting and knowing that Mitch Trubisky would have

480
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Speaker 7: essentially at some point be benched or injured or remove

481
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Speaker 7: from the lineup, and you come into this season with

482
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Speaker 7: these glowing reports of Kenny Pickett that I fell for

483
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Speaker 7: like a complete rube based off of July action in

484
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Speaker 7: August action, and he's not looked apart, and so I

485
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Speaker 7: have to question like if he if there were no

486
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Speaker 7: injury or no injury, like would he be on a leash?

487
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Speaker 7: Because I thought that Tomlin's comments after that game, we're

488
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Speaker 7: very Mike Tomlin. It was just like, yeah, major changes

489
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 7: could be coming, and really no one's safe. And it's like,

490
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Speaker 7: I think that when you say that, you're not talking

491
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 7: about your left defensive tackle. You're talking about the quarterback situation.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

493
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Speaker 1: I think all right, I think Mitch Trubisky is an upgrade.

494
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Speaker 6: The smallest hill I'll ever die on is that Mitch

495
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Speaker 6: Trubisky when he came back in for the Steelers last year,

496
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 6: played pretty well. It's very similar to my Andy Dalton

497
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 6: was sneaky good for the Saints last year, which which

498
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 6: is another one that feel like.

499
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Speaker 1: It's acts like an an hill, right, yeah.

500
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Speaker 6: It is, but it's aging, okay, because like Derek Carr

501
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 6: looks a hell of a lot like Andy Dalton are

502
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 6: worse right now in that offense. I was just like,

503
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, it's not a good situation. I think

504
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Speaker 6: Trubisky could be an upgrade on what Picket is now

505
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Speaker 6: now how much of it is just the offense is

506
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 6: totally broken. Pickett's taken a huge step back from where

507
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Speaker 6: Pickett was even as a rookie. I mean, that's it's

508
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 6: not even arguable. He's really struggling. So I think Trubisky

509
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Speaker 6: has been around, could be an up great and if

510
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: he plays well enough, I think Tomlin is I guess

511
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 6: I don't know what the word is practical enough that

512
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Speaker 6: he would keep Trubisky.

513
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: In blame Canada.

514
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: In other news, Hey, the Cults, they're engine toward getting

515
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor back on the field, Shane Stike, And we're

516
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: pivoting now to talking to the team of Zeus TL,

517
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: who were covered with great fanfare along with the Los

518
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Speaker 4: Angeles Rams on NFL Plus in our atn Game of

519
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Speaker 4: the Week.

520
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Speaker 2: Which is what is the word? It is.

521
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: Pristine for the senses.

522
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like it is.

523
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: It is a show that is indebted to the Manning

524
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: cast but also cast its own shadow.

525
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 6: How about that it's not derivative, right, familiar? Right, it's

526
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 6: it's like a two and a half hour shorter. It's

527
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Speaker 6: not a live game that we're watching.

528
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Speaker 4: Anyway, We did Rams Cults check that out on NFL Plus.

529
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: Shane Stiken, the coach of the Colts, said there's a

530
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Speaker 4: chance Jonathan Taylor could be on the field at Week

531
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Speaker 4: five against the Titans.

532
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Of course, he started the league the season.

533
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: On the pup list with an ankle injury that may

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 4: or may not still be a thing. Everything, of course,

535
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: is connected to a very gnarly contract dispute between Taylor

536
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: and management. The Colts opened up the twenty one day

537
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: practice window, which means they have three weeks to kind

538
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 4: of get him onto the field, and it does seem

539
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: like that could happen as soon as this week. Stiken

540
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 4: said there could be yeah, when asked about the chances

541
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: that he plays.

542
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Speaker 2: Sunday.

543
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: So that's great news for the Colts, and I like

544
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 4: Zach Moss, but he's not Jonathan Taylor.

545
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm shocked.

546
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I was not expecting this because I want

547
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 6: to hear from Jonathan Taylor first, actually, before I get

548
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 6: too excited about it. Jonathan Taylor has not spoken to

549
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: the media since July, I believe, and so we haven't

550
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 6: really known what's going on. But I just was expecting

551
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 6: this to stay as ugly as possible and if they

552
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 6: get him back, I mean, this this division's wide open.

553
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: To that point.

554
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: Greg The reporting out there as recently as last week

555
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: was that Taylor was still digging in his heels, So

556
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: maybe either that was erroneous reporting or something had changed

557
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: between then and now. But it's certainly Listen, Taylor has

558
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: as frustrated as he is Mark, he has a reason

559
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: to get back on the field as well, because he

560
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: is playing, trying to get paid at some point, and

561
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: just disappearing for the whole.

562
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: Year is not going to work for him at all.

563
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: So guess it makes sense.

564
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 7: This tells me like two things. One that the Colts,

565
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 7: who didn't seem like too hot on trading him or

566
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 7: doing anything with him, and like you got ownership, sort

567
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 7: of just digging in their heels as you say, Like

568
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: there were no major trade offers that ever came, even

569
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 7: behind the scenes. So he's not able to go anywhere else.

570
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 7: And if he doesn't play, or if he's not physically

571
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 7: able to perform by week six, then he loses in

572
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 7: accrued year on his rookie contract and he's not a.

573
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: Free agent after the season.

574
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 7: So I think he's you know, I don't know, always

575
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 7: being guided by his agent and stuff, but I think

576
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 7: there'd be a massive motivation to get back on the field,

577
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 7: finish out the season if you have nowhere, if you

578
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 7: can't go anywhere else, and then go to free agency.

579
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 7: I mean, they're not going to franchise him with this situation.

580
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 6: A lot of motivation too, I think because he heard

581
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 6: that I took him in my running back draft and

582
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 6: they were like that would Mark and Dan really made

583
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 6: fun of my guy Greg for taking me and Kamara

584
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 6: and Bijon in the running back draft.

585
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: I want to prove Greg right, that's just what.

586
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: Do they call it when they put the pig on

587
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: the thing and it spins with the apple on him out?

588
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: Is that the spit roast? That was Greg?

589
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Greg when we did the running back draft.

590
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: Just a tough not from us, even Greg. A lot

591
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: of the criticism coming from outside the walls of your fortress, Well.

592
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 3: It was put up to them.

593
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: You didn't get that right.

594
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: There was a public poll.

595
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 7: I mean, you can blame the two of us, but

596
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 7: like the public largely weighed in and they deemed the

597
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 7: results not the two of us.

598
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you gotta trust the public.

599
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: They should probably make.

600
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Decisions in elections. Forget about it.

601
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: We should probably stop honking and check who we all

602
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: drafted and see where that is. Eric Roberts behind the

603
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: virtual glass, can you check in on that and get

604
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: us that info at some point? Also heading back to

605
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: the field for Week five, Desmond Ritter, the Atlanta Falcons

606
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: quarterback who has struggled through much of this season and

607
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: really did not do himself any favors in London and

608
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: a tough loss to the Jaguars. It's led to a

609
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: lot of heat around Arthur Smith to make a change

610
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: of QB. But Smith is standing by his guy. Here

611
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: is Smith's comments on the situation.

612
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: Just as a follow up.

613
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: If you did, is this Desmond still your starter to

614
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: be clear by court?

615
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: Look?

616
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I wouldn't be sitting there and get on

617
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: that antificating about what went on in the game if

618
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 5: we're making a.

619
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Change wearing right now.

620
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: But you know, and we saw it happened on the

621
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: sidelines with Mac Collins, which is actually even worse when

622
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: you watched it on replay where he missed Hollands and

623
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 4: then he went to dap him up and Hollands gave

624
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: him a look like are you even kidding me?

625
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Right now? Bro? He's losing that locker.

626
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: Room and Smith risks losing the locker room as well.

627
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 4: So this is I would think guys that this is

628
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: this is it for Desmond Ridder in terms of play

629
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: well this week, or you're gonna take it almost out

630
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: of Smith's hands because he knows they'll have to make

631
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: the change to stave off a revolt. That's kind of

632
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: how these things tend to go.

633
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is like if

634
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 7: you get a coach or an organization that's like sold

635
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 7: or bought into like draft pedigree, Well he doesn't have that.

636
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: It's it.

637
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: There wasn't much munch.

638
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of stakes in Desmond Ridder outside

639
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 7: the fact that you know, we got glowing remarks from

640
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 7: the owner and the coach all off season, and we've

641
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 7: got and it's fair to give him a test and

642
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 7: he's failing, and he's letting the team down a pretty

643
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 7: talented roster. And I just think it's like if you

644
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: had know him behind him, like when we talk about

645
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 7: pulling Burrow, and I'm really with you on the concept

646
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 7: of why they might do That's like the problem with

647
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 7: him is they've got nothing behind them. But Taylor Heinekey

648
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 7: just literally a year ago, came in around mid season

649
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 7: and brought a little bit of life. He's imperfect, I

650
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 7: get it, but he brought some juice and some energy

651
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 7: to the Commanders and he's the same guy and It's

652
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 7: like I think Taylor Heineke and this offense is almost

653
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 7: a much what must watch sooner than later, and it's

654
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 7: they're a weird team because they didn't take a bye

655
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 7: after London. They have to go right back and face

656
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 7: the Texans, and it's like, I wonder if there was

657
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 7: a buy and they had more time to marinate in this,

658
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 7: that maybe they make a change or do we just.

659
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: Need one more terrible ridd or start.

660
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Speaker 6: And that's because of them they request that usually there

661
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Speaker 6: is a bye. The only reason they wouldn't have a

662
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Speaker 6: buye is they say we don't want it then. And

663
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 6: now they face a team that I'll save for Wednesday.

664
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: But this team's kind of entering my house just saying,

665
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 6: maybe it's injuring the hoo.

666
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: Stick a pin in it, Greg, I like that. Let's

667
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: go through some other injuries from around the league. Coming

668
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: out of Sunday tough, tough, really one of the worst

669
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: Sundays in recent memory for the Patriots, the worst blowout

670
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: of the Belichick era, and their two best young defensive

671
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: players go out with injuries. Matthew Judan is out indefinitely

672
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: with a biceps injury. It's a lower bicep tendon tear.

673
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: He's gonna miss multiple weeks. He could land on injured reserve,

674
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: so it's kind of a wait and see when they

675
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: get Judon back, if they get him at all. Also,

676
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez, who's really immediately stepped in and become kind

677
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: of a stud cornerback for this team, he went down

678
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: awkwardly on his shoulder and he is out indefinitely with

679
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: a shoulder injury. With this also, we don't know exactly

680
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: how long he's going to be out, but indefinitely is

681
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: never what you want to hear. And this is the

682
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: defensive player of the month last weekend as a rookie.

683
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: So double setback Greggie. And it's kind of coming from

684
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: all sides for Belichick right now.

685
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 6: This is you know, the biggest, you know, most unique

686
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 6: test of Belichick I think since he's been in New

687
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 6: England in terms of his job security. Now, there was

688
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 6: a minute when they were zero and two in two

689
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 6: thousand and one. They were already chattering about it a

690
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 6: little bit in Boston because he started five and eleven

691
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 6: then zero and two. But this is everything happening all

692
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 6: at once. They do have the softest part of their

693
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 6: schedule coming up. In theory, it's such a hard schedule,

694
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: but they have the Saints and the Raiders. But the

695
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 6: Saints of the Raiders are also looking at the Patriots

696
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: and being like, ooh, we got a soft part of

697
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 6: our schedule coming up.

698
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Speaker 1: It's the Patriots.

699
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a defensive built team, which I innately don't trust.

700
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 7: That lost Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Jonathan Jones, everyone with

701
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 7: the last name of Jones.

702
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: You've now lost Gonzales.

703
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 7: Judon had thirty two sacks and thirty five games as

704
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 7: a really good, you know, free agent pickup. But this

705
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 7: is their identity and they're losing a piece by piece,

706
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 7: and like that offense under duress is an eyesore.

707
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 6: It's possibly their two best players of the team, judah

708
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 6: On and Gonzales.

709
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: Right now, that's great, not good, not good.

710
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: Other injury news rap Sheet reports that Justin Herbert broke

711
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 4: a finger on his non throwing hand in that Week

712
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 4: four win over the Raiders. He not a pleasant thing,

713
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: but the idea is that it is not a serious injury.

714
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: They have a bye in Week five, which is ideal.

715
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: A few of the Week five you're Cleveland Browns mark

716
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: another team that perfectly time by for them as well,

717
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: with their quarterback dealing with some health issues. So he

718
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: gets two weeks before the Cowboys on Monday Night Football, and.

719
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: We'll see where he is by then. I would imagine

720
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: that he will play.

721
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: And I just want to give a shout out to

722
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert because I did talk about earlier in the season,

723
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: you know, wanting to see him with those big dagger

724
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 4: plays to put teams away and take his team to

725
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: the finish line.

726
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: And we kind of glossed over it a little bit.

727
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: Just a beautiful deep strike on third and ten to

728
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 4: put that game away after the Santa Samuel bizarre step

729
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 4: out of bounds after the interception late game. So that

730
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: was a money throw from a banged up Herbert and

731
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: you love to see it. And they're back to five

732
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: hundred and hopefully they'll have him on the field when

733
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: they play again. Also out Tron Armstead, the Dolphins left tackle.

734
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 4: He will not play in Week five against the Giants.

735
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: This is an injury plagued player, but a great player

736
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: when he's on the field. McDaniel said that he believes

737
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: that Armstead will play again this season, but this seems

738
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: like a week to week injury.

739
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: When you say they're going to play again this season.

740
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 6: That always is very concerning, especially for a player that

741
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 6: I feel like is an injury or two away from,

742
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 6: you know, wondering if this is worth it because he

743
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 6: he's crazy. On the injury report, they list Tehran Armstead

744
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 6: with like four different injuries. I've never seen it before.

745
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 6: It's like knee, ankle, shoulder, It's like a bunch of

746
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 6: different things, and this seem one seems serious. It sounded

747
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 6: like a just reading between the lines that it's probably

748
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: month or month at least, and they're not the same

749
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 6: without him.

750
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was such a I mean it was you know,

751
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 7: vague in terms of any sort of timeline. He had

752
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 7: left knee surgery in the off season. Your right, He's

753
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 7: always banged up, and they were so different without him

754
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 7: a year ago, and you just wonder how many people

755
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 7: they can lose on the offensive line, and like he

756
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 7: is sort of a Jenga piece for them. They have

757
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 7: Kendall Lamb kind of a quality player, but Toron harm

758
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 7: Armstead is sort of irreplaceable.

759
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: Other injury news, we saw this coming and you heard

760
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: from the comments from Sean McDermott that it was not

761
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: good news around tre Dave's white. But the veteran cornerback

762
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 4: did indeed suffer torn achilles in the Bills this week

763
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 4: four win over those Dolphins, so his season is over.

764
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: He's now suffered season ending injuries in two of his

765
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: last three years. He tore a ACL in twenty twenty one.

766
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 4: So you lose an All Pro and that team got

767
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 4: worse and they have to find a way to make

768
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: it work without him.

769
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: Do they have the dogs to back them up? GREGI?

770
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 6: I mean they have a first round pick, Kyrie Elm

771
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 6: who's been a healthy scratch up points this year in

772
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: that they could really use to step up. No, I

773
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 6: would say cornerback was one of the thinnest positions on

774
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 6: their team. They have Toron Johnson who's a good slot corner.

775
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 6: Christian Benford is this late round pick from a year

776
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: ago who's stepped up and has been solid. But that's

777
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 6: one of their thinner spots and players injured. It's it's something,

778
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 6: it's something to attack if you're Buffalo or playing Buffalo.

779
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: And guess what.

780
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: The trade deadline is a little less than one month away,

781
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: and we talked about it, Mark, you and I were

782
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: in lockstep on it entering the season. The urgencies through

783
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: the roof for this Bills team, this core. Uh, if

784
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 4: you think you need it, go get it, go use

785
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: use some draft capital and add some depth to that

786
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: secondary if if need be so.

787
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: They that feels like a potential.

788
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Area Giants could be sellers.

789
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 6: A Dorri Jackson is a guy on their team who

790
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 6: I feel like could still have some good football in them.

791
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: Might be you're the GM. You have the GM. All right,

792
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: let's do.

793
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: That later this month.

794
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just button up a couple other things. So

795
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 4: Chase Claypool, you know the drama there about the wide

796
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: receiver traded for the number thirty two overall pick just

797
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: last year at the trade deadline, buyer beware. And now

798
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: because of comments he's made in general, lack of effort

799
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 4: at other times on the field and just being a knucklehead,

800
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: has fallen out of favor with the Bears. And then

801
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: some weird messaging because everything with the Bears is just

802
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: a little messed up these days or a lot messed up,

803
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: where Ibra Flu's first kind of let the media know

804
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 4: that it was the team's or is the player's decision

805
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: not to be at the Broncos game, and then it

806
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 4: was clarified that it was the team's decision and Ibra

807
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 4: Flu said Monday that Claypool will remain away from the

808
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: team ahead of the Week five matchup, but the Commanders

809
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 4: hear something from fluse.

810
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 5: To correct the record. For Chase Claypool. We did tell

811
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: him not to be here for the weekend, including the game.

812
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 5: We told him to be an active and active on Saturday,

813
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: you know, and this morning we informed him he's not

814
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 5: going to be here this week for the game as well,

815
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 5: and we just feel that's best for the team at

816
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: this time. So and again Ryan and I have informed

817
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 5: him of that and that's where it is. So we

818
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: just feel that's best for the team right now.

819
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: Ryan is Ryan Poles, the GM who is probably having

820
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: nightmares about that trade, which I think there, you know,

821
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: I think you could say the San Francisco trade for

822
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 4: Trey Lance is maybe the worst trade of the decade

823
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: so far, or near the top the Russell Wilson trade.

824
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: The returns are not are dreadful. We mentioned Jamal Adams

825
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: that trade was not great for the Seahawks, but when

826
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: you just look at what they got, what they gave

827
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: up even in the moment, it was like, that's a

828
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: little rich for a guy that has been a little

829
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: spotty as a player, and now what it's turned into,

830
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: which is a three ring circus. One of the worst

831
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: trades of the decade, right near the top of the

832
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: list for me.

833
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 7: Anyway, Yeah, I throw some of the cults transactions for

834
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 7: various failed veteran quarterbacks over the past couple of years

835
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 7: that didn't go well. But I mean I'm watching eber

836
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 7: flues during that thing, and it's just like sometimes if

837
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 7: as you get higher and higher up in management, in

838
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 7: this case, it's like you're going up the food chain

839
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 7: and it's like, yeah, it's not so bad to be

840
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 7: a coordinator where no one's asking me the tough questions

841
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 7: you got to see. I mean, just watching his body

842
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 7: leguage having to go up and deliver like a essentially

843
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 7: an editorial retraction. I mean, it's just an uncomfortable situation.

844
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: Feel good, No, like that.

845
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: That was a tough scene.

846
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 6: I mean, Claypole just probably goes without saying, but he gone,

847
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 6: He'll be for I'm gonna put the over under on

848
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: a twenty twenty four to sixth.

849
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: Just a hard conditional seventh.

850
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 7: I have a prediction where he goes okay, because there

851
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 7: was reports for me and over the weekend that one

852
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 7: team like that. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but

853
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 7: we're very actively looking for wide receivers, which was the

854
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 7: Carolina Panthers.

855
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: So maybe they think they can bring that guys.

856
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 7: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's a magical leverpole,

857
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 7: just that I think that I could see the team

858
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 7: that's desperate for help.

859
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: The guy that is a team that needs talent, But

860
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: do they need like a cancer in their locker room,

861
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: which I get the vibes Claypool because.

862
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he.

863
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: I don't think Mike Tomlin was a huge fan of

864
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: Chase Claypool the person either.

865
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 7: So I don't think any team is saying, you know,

866
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 7: what we really need is a cancer to destroy our

867
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 7: locker room.

868
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: So as a surprise the Panthers, it's like that's a

869
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: little bit of a sensitive situation with the rookie there

870
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: and stuff.

871
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it.

872
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean.

873
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 6: Crazy trades like they put the graphic up tonight when

874
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 6: you saw the old lock to fant touchdown. By the way,

875
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 6: I'm still here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and

876
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 6: Noah Fan was going down the siland I was remembering

877
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 6: our friend Chris going wild for a little Noah Fan

878
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 6: catching passes from Drew Locke back when they were in Denver.

879
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: I went through an article I loved you, lock, but

880
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Speaker 6: they got Drew Locke Noahfense Shelby Harris in the number

881
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 6: five overall pick who turned into Devin Witherspoon, and then

882
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 6: they what a trade?

883
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: What a trade? How about that?

884
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Devin Witherspoon's playing like he played tonight, that's

885
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 4: gonna quiet all the Jayalen Carter stuff as well if

886
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 4: they nailed that pick all right. Finally, in the news,

887
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: did not see this coming. Nobody was tracking this. Jameson

888
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: Williams was totally off the radar after his gambling suspension,

889
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: but the league amended it's gambling policy on Friday in

890
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: a new a news dump uh, and it led to

891
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Williams having his suspension changed by nature.

892
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Of the new wording to the policy.

893
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: Uh, he's a first time offender caught betting on a

894
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: non NFL game from inside team facilities, so that suspension

895
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: now with the rules, it was six now it's two

896
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 4: and he's already missed four, so that kind of sucks.

897
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: But the good news is he's now activated, and he's

898
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: and he's part of the team, and everyone wants to

899
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: see what happens with Jameson Williams in this offense because

900
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: you know, he's probably the most physically gifted wide receiver

901
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: on that team. It's just now, where is what is

902
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: his role? Like what kind of player is he as

903
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: a professional, because his rookie year was mostly compromised by

904
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: rehab from a knee injury and finding his way.

905
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 6: I know this is tempting, Mark, but because we do

906
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 6: work for the NFL, but I think it's different for

907
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 6: league employees. And so your plans to go to the

908
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: Chargers facility tomorrow and Costa Mesa and start wagering on cricket,

909
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: you know, a non NFL sport, don't do it.

910
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Don't do it, can't do it. We need you foolish.

911
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: It would be foolish, Mark.

912
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: That's great, Council. I'll follow that. I know we have

913
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: an off data roll.

914
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 7: I I do feel in a way because like the

915
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 7: whole point of this was like to try to raise

916
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 7: awareness among players, which, like I didn't know this.

917
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: Rule or that rule.

918
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 7: It's like, Okay, why did they need to announce this now?

919
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 7: And maybe maybe it's just like they went through the process,

920
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 7: they came up with the results and here we go.

921
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 7: But it brings these players and Jamison Williams primarily onto

922
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 7: a sexy team back into our world where you can

923
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 7: spend two games telling us why he's back and why

924
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 7: the policy has changed, and all the players see it

925
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 7: and hear about it, and they found a way to

926
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 7: double down on awareness for an issue that they don't

927
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 7: want hanging around NFL locker rooms. So it's like you

928
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 7: don't have to wait till next offseason for like four more,

929
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 7: like you know, Dingleberry's to do the same thing and

930
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 7: get caught and find you know, they were like these

931
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 7: rash of fines. Now it's like, let's get into everyone's

932
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 7: head that this is the rule, and like this was

933
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: a great way to do it in the middle of

934
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 7: the season when everyone's talking about these players in this

935
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 7: whole entire thing.

936
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Speaker 4: Counterpoint, roll out the policy in a clean way in

937
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: the offseason, and then everybody knows what the situation is

938
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 4: and that guy like Jameson Williams is back in week

939
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: three instead of week five.

940
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 6: Counterpoint, This guy, Mark Sessler gets it and he used

941
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 6: Dingleberry in a big spot.

942
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: One guy that didn't get it.

943
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if we've touched on this on this

944
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: show was Greg Rosenthal, the ATM running backstraft back in June.

945
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Let's let's take a look at that graphic.

946
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: See where we're at now now that we're working at Ober.

947
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: Check it out on YouTube. Mark I recall having the

948
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: first overall pick, which is an immense advantage for the

949
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Speaker 4: Cesstag and he had Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry,

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00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: and Ramandre Stevenson. Dan uh had actually I think Greg

951
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: had the second pick, as I recall, and he took

952
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: Bjon Robinson, Alvin Kamara, Jonathan Taylor, and Aaron Jones, and

953
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 4: then Dan took Nick Chubb, Austin Eckler, Josh Jacobs, and

954
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: Berice Hall. Interesting, it's it's kind of interesting. Boys, that

955
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 4: is anybody doing?

956
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 7: I don't think there's a runaway here. Now, there's a

957
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 7: lot of unavailable players.

958
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: Is this?

959
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: Oh no, is this like gonna be used in negotiations

960
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: against running backs? Because I'm not seeing a lot of

961
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 4: major values here.

962
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 6: I think Mark wins because he's the one that has

963
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 6: McCaffrey right.

964
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: And Bson's been great, Bon's been great.

965
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 4: Yeh, I've been I've been undercut by injuries to Chubb

966
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: and and Eckler unfortunately. And Jacobs finally did something, and

967
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: Halls had moments, but he got Aaron Rodgers, so that

968
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: was that was a tough one. I stand by my draft,

969
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: but Real Football had a harsh reality call for my group.

970
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 7: I wouldn't put this back out on Twitter, slash x

971
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 7: or wherever to gain new opinions on this variant.

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Speaker 2: All right, good stuff.

973
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Speaker 4: We will be out of your hair for a day,

974
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Speaker 4: but don't worry. We'll be back on Wednesday with another EP,

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Speaker 4: another NFL plus EP Thursday Thursday Week five preview TNF

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00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: free cap.

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Speaker 2: A lot of good stuff coming away. Thanks for hanging around.

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Speaker 2: He's the call.