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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys football clubs. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February sixteenth, twenty twenty two, Season seventeen,

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Speaker 1: episode number one oh four. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break. We are live from the SWBC Mortgage studios.

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Speaker 1: At the start, We've got a lot we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about today. We're gonna finish up our conversation on the

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Speaker 1: salary cap we started that last week. There will be

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Speaker 1: more questions I have for these guys about guys that

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Speaker 1: could be here and could be not here in the

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Speaker 1: amount of niel take to do both. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into that, though, I would get one to start first

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Speaker 1: with a little opener here, And obviously we usually would

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Speaker 1: give everybody an opportunity to talk about a sports topic

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Speaker 1: from the previous week. But I think this week we

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Speaker 1: got to talk about super Bowl. It was obviously a

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Speaker 1: game that that was. I thought it was a good game.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a fun game. I know some

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Speaker 1: people I've talked to they were like, yah, it's kind

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Speaker 1: good defense. What were you gouts thoughts on the game?

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Speaker 1: Just in general, Logan Wilson did nothing wrong. The refs

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Speaker 1: completely botched the end of that game. It was not

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Speaker 1: it was not defensive holding. They had called three flags

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Speaker 1: all the way through that game, and the subsequent flags

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Speaker 1: were penalties, but that was not and the Rams still

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Speaker 1: or convert. And I thought the refs completely botched what

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Speaker 1: would have been otherwise a really dramatic moment, you know,

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Speaker 1: to give the Rams first and goal on a BS

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Speaker 1: call like that, I just thought tainted it. Obviously I'm

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Speaker 1: a little biased. I wanted the Fingals to win. Just

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Speaker 1: full disclosure, full disclosure. Yeah, I mean if if if

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Speaker 1: have had a reason why that was okay. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ramsey got face masked on the long touchdown to Higgins.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but I just thought that kind of

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Speaker 1: put a damper on you have tattooed his face on

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Speaker 1: you your body, Joe. They wanted to know I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not tattooing another person on me. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: bad idea. That's a lot unless it's like mom, like

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Speaker 1: other than that, maybe Mom just don't. But I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy for Odell, really happy for Andrew Whitworth. Way to

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Speaker 1: it's doing doing the Bengals got there, we're doing. I'm

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Speaker 1: I can't see any fat I can't even fathom the

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Speaker 1: It was a mixture of both, because on one hand,

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Speaker 1: was a mixture of both. But once again, you talk

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Speaker 1: not in it for the cloud. I'm in it for

426
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Speaker 1: the love of the game. Um, but interesting, Uh yeah,

427
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you follow the Cowboys, you're probably aware

428
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago at the Senior Bowl, Jerry

429
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 1: Jones told myself and Jerry Epstein, he just he said

430
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things, namely that you know, maybe

431
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn would like to be the head coach of

432
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys one day. Mike McCarthy won't be the head

433
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: coach forever, by the way, No, that and I thought

434
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: Rich Eisen did a great job of framing it, and

435
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: that was the point of my story. He said a

436
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 1: bunch of things that are factually correct. Still weird to

437
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: hear the owner and general manager of a team that

438
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: just made the playoffs say them out loud, like you

439
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: generally don't start talking about the successor for a coach

440
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: that you're happy with. So anyway, eisn't asked McCarthy about

441
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: all this. I thought he was shockingly transparent. Beam I

442
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: would if you can queue up the one about d

443
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: Q McCarthy. This is McCarthy talking about his relationship with

444
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: Dan and them talking to each other about people speculating

445
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: about Dan taking his job. You know, we talked about

446
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: him staying here. Uh, you know, long before he even

447
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: took it, took the interview. No, obviously when he took

448
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: the interview, and then this, you know, this narrative broke out.

449
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: I think it in reflection to the relationship to Dan.

450
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: I do have you know he just said Hey, man,

451
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: if I'm not comfortable with this narrative, you know, if

452
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: you really feel like I need to take one of

453
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: his jobs, you know, just be honest with him. And

454
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: we kind of laughed about it, and I just said, Dan,

455
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: ten to twelve years ago, i'd tell you please get

456
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. I don't want to deal

457
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: with this. But three l of it is I'm about winning.

458
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: He's about winning, and the best thing for the Cowboys

459
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: is for Dan Quinn to be here, which I love

460
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: the transparency first of all, just like, yeah, we've talked

461
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 1: about this and the idea that Dan was like, Man,

462
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: I can get out of your hair if this is

463
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem for you, And McCarthy was like,

464
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: I can handle it, which I'm going to remember I don't.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that could be famous

466
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: last words, to be honest with you. Just depending on

467
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: how the season goes, like unless he's okay with whatever outcome,

468
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: like that might all be part. This is a veteran coach,

469
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: he's won a championship, like he's he's coached at two

470
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: of the most iconic brands in the National Football League.

471
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: He might be like, I'm not getting slide checked by

472
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: any of this. If at whatever point they make a decision,

473
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm not the coach. I'm good to walk away and

474
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: be fine with that. I guess my point is like,

475
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: it's easy to say that in February, but when if

476
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: you're three and four in October and the noise is

477
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: just beating down on you from all directions, and you're like, right,

478
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: he's just killing you every day. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely,

479
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: and then okay, and then we'll do another one. Which

480
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I thought this was great. Rich Eisen. He was like,

481
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, have you have you talked to Jerry Jones

482
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: about how he kind of dangled your feet over the

483
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: fire like this, And he's like, oh yeah, And he

484
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: brought up Dan and Sean Payton by name, so we

485
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: know now thanks to Mike McCarthy that he has talked

486
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jones about So you know, you're just corton

487
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: retired coaches for my job, give this a listen. But

488
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: we talked about it. We talked about Dan's situation definitely, um,

489
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about Sean Payton's narrative. Also, yeah,

490
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been discussed. You have to discussed that

491
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 1: with him what is what is is anything you can

492
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: share that you have? Really the just the conversation was,

493
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: you know you and I are in this, you know,

494
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: back to back and um, you know it's a partnership

495
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: and you know, just focus on what we need to

496
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: do moving forward. Um. And you know, and he made

497
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: some you know, personal comments about you know, how he

498
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: feels about up as you know that's really for him

499
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and eye. But yeah, I'm very very comfortable with our

500
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: relationship and our dialogue. I mean, it's uh, at the

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: end of the day, we both want the same thing

502
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: and it's uh, and it's you know, to win a

503
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: world championship and Andy and definitely the narratives are unusual. Um,

504
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I think you

505
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: have to You've got to trust the relationships and in

506
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: a communication and a connection that you have. I'm dying

507
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: to know what Jerry's personal comments about how he felt

508
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: about it that Mike didn't want to share work. That's

509
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: my main takeaway from that. Like what did Jerry say

510
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: He's like winner, winner else? Right? I think that like

511
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: his opinion about Sean Payton, like whatever Jerry's thoughts about that.

512
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know I just I mean, you know,

513
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: I ask for the dan Quinn stuff. I think that

514
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: he has to. Um, you know, if he doesn't go

515
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl or to the championship game, I

516
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: think he's probably not going to be the coach here anyways.

517
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really matter. He's got to get there.

518
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: That's the way that he keeps his job is probably

519
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: to have success that this team hasn't had in so

520
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: many years. He said the word narrative a hundred times. Well,

521
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: the narrative is that this team hasn't won a super

522
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Bowl or even been to Super Bowl in twenty six years.

523
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: So that's the only narrative that matters. You fix that then,

524
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: and the best way to do that is to have

525
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: dan Quinn here. So I mean, I don't know, I

526
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: don't know what else I mean, because because he could say, well,

527
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. If you don't get it done, then

528
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: either he comes back or someone else's the coach. So

529
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: so the best way, and he said it, the best

530
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: way for them to have success is for them both

531
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: to be here. Yeah, let me ask you guys this question.

532
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: And I feel free to say, you know, I really

533
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable answering it. But what do you think

534
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: was his motivation behind doing this, because again, he doesn't

535
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: have to meet with the media, This was something that

536
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: he did carry for saying it or Mike Mike from

537
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: Mike actually saying yes, Rich, I'll come on your show,

538
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: knowing that this would probably be part of the versation

539
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and in two in sharing at least some of the

540
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: details of some of this stuff that before, like you said, Dave,

541
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: we didn't know something. We had not had a confirmation

542
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: of some of this stuff until he mentioned it. And

543
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: definitely the comment that he made about Dan and him

544
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: and Dan having the conversation like do you really want

545
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: me to leave? Like, what do you think is the

546
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: motivation that he's of him actually being that transparent with

547
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: the media on this, probably getting out in front of it,

548
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: and well, not really getting out in front of it,

549
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: because Jerry just lobbed that into the news cycle on

550
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: his own. But I do think I think it helps

551
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: or does something to just acknowledge it and again that

552
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: degree of transparency, like, yeah, Dan and I have a

553
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: good enough relationship that we talked about him maybe even

554
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: leaving to spare me the problems of this speculation and

555
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: I think at the very least, the goal, I think

556
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: is at least to dispel the notion that everybody's walking

557
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: around with a knife behind their back, you know, like

558
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's just waiting for him to turn around so

559
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: he can get in there and take the job, and

560
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: so to at least present the idea that there's like

561
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: a unified front between him and Dan and him and Jerry, like, yes,

562
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: I've talked to Jerry about Sean Payton sitting out there,

563
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: like I get it, and to Nick's point, we gotta win. Um.

564
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it, I know for a

565
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: fact doesn't change anything because people are gonna talk about

566
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: this all year, but to at least kind of be

567
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: transparent about like, look, yeah, I got it. This is

568
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: part of the landscape of coaching the Dallas Cowboys, which

569
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: good on you for realizing it. I don't know, at least,

570
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not gonna make it go away,

571
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: but at least he's kind of admitting that he's got

572
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: his blinders off, which Jason Garrett would never Jason Garrett

573
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: would be like, what are you talking about? Like, and

574
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that helps anybody there? Are you with

575
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: a smile like, yeah, I don't think I know what

576
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, I think. Oh I'm not answering

577
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: that question, okay, because you and you don't want me

578
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: to answer, so I trust now I want you to no, no, no,

579
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: Now going for the break. I just want to hear

580
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: the break answering why he did that, because yeah, chicken,

581
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: oh god, please stop stop stop, please stop? No stop stop.

582
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it in the break. Reason, we will

583
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: talk about it in the break, and then I will

584
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: let you guys know, yes, this is appropriate for the air,

585
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: or maybe it's not appropriate for the air, but yeah,

586
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: let's let's what are you thinking, well, I mean I

587
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: just about to say exactly what you would think. You

588
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: probably No, No, I just think that. I mean, once

589
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: you start hearing so much things from outside, whether you

590
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: want to say you don't listen to outside noise or whatever,

591
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: that's a lot. We we're all humans. It happens, it

592
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: does get to you at some point. So I think

593
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: it's just the combination of different things. I mean, we eve,

594
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: whoever watched the NFL onners, I mean, you heard the

595
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: joke and they put Dak Prescott on good point there,

596
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: so level of you hearing so many things and you

597
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: being now kind of turning into a joke. I mean

598
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: I would do the same exact thing. I would show

599
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: up on an interview, speak my mine up, say you know,

600
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: we're very open about the situation. I mean, my McCarthy

601
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: is not blind, he's not deaf, he's not dumb either.

602
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: He sees what's happening. So it just kind of takes

603
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: the fire a little bit. It's not gonna turn it

604
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: off or anything, but at least everyone hears it that.

605
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: He's very well aware of it. He's hurt, he's had

606
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: those conversations with Jerry Jones, with dan Quinn. And at

607
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: the same time, I think it's another thing of like,

608
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's a man, and man are competitive. He's

609
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: in a very competitive industry, very competitive sport. So I

610
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: don't think this is a situation that if ever it

611
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: came out about dan quinn living or whatever, it's like, oh,

612
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: my McCarthy was scared of dan Quinn taking his job.

613
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: At some point it's like, no, Okay, yeah, of course

614
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here. Of course i'm gonna say I

615
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: can do this job. Of Course I'm gonna compete and

616
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: do the best that I can do to show you

617
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: what I got, and if he fails at it, guess

618
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: he got somebody else. I can't take it from him,

619
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: but I think that it was great for him to

620
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: do that, and it was needed rather than go into

621
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: a whole new season with all this speculation and him

622
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: getting bombarded every time at a press conference. So I

623
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: applaud him for actually going out there and saying the

624
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: things that he did. Yeah, I agree with you, I

625
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: think sometimes not sometimes. I'm a big believer in all

626
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: the time, control what you can control, which also includes

627
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: the narrative. So if there's something out there that's being

628
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: talked about that you're a part of, and you have

629
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get in front of microphone and tell

630
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it, then do that. Speak whatever is

631
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: the truth that you know it to be and whatever

632
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: it is that you want people to know about the situation.

633
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Be willing to do that, especially in this organization, because

634
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: as we saw, Jerry got out there and Jerry said

635
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: what he thought. So if Mike says nothing, then it

636
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of just gets left as well. Mike doesn't have

637
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: any thoughts on this, or he's afraid to say what

638
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Speaker 1: he's thinking. So I think it was a situation where

639
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Speaker 1: he could get out there and just kind of and

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Speaker 1: take control of his own narrative to some degree, and

641
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to necessarily match up with everybody else.

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: It's just his thoughts on the situation. Yeah, I thought,

643
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Speaker 1: I thought that's probably the best you could do with

644
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: a not good situation. Yeah, I mean he said it.

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Speaker 1: We didn't play the clip, but he said earlier in

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Speaker 1: the interview, like, of course, I wish we were talking

647
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Speaker 1: about anything but this, And he also said, this is

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: not something I've ever dealt with before. Yeah, he made

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Speaker 1: it clear. There was there were little moments in there

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Speaker 1: where he said things that it seemed like he was

651
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: making it clear, Yeah, this is abnormal. I'm having to

652
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Speaker 1: adapt to it. But this is the Cowboys. He made

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00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: that very clear throughout. The Packers are certainly one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest, most iconic brands in the league, but they

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the Aaron Rodgers circus last year

656
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: was a taste for them of what this is like

657
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: every year. But by and large, like when even the

658
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: coach of the Packers, like Mike McCarthy, used to just

659
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: disappear every offseason, like you get. You have that luxury

660
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: when you coach the Packers, unless your Hall of Fame

661
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: quarterback gets mad about something and turns it into a

662
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: six month news cycle. But that's not the norm in

663
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Green Bay. This stuff happens every year. So yeah, good

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Speaker 1: for him for adapting to it. Another part is that,

665
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Speaker 1: you know, I said this earlier that I don't know

666
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Speaker 1: how close they are to being able to be, you know, perfect,

667
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: to win three or four games in a row. We

668
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. But you know, when you look around

669
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Speaker 1: the NFC and you look at all, right, who's who's

670
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: coming back and who has a chance to do something?

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Speaker 1: Even with all the free agents that they could lose,

672
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should be right there at the end with

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Speaker 1: the chance to go. And that's all you want is

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Speaker 1: a chance. Um, And I think I think that they have.

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Speaker 1: I think you said it the other day, Dave. When

676
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Speaker 1: you look around the NFC, there's other teams with bigger

677
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: question marks than even the Cowboys have, And the Cowboys

678
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: were a good team last year. They're gonna lose some guys,

679
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: but they're gonna they're gonna probably keep some. They're gonna

680
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: probably they're going to bring in a couple guys that

681
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: are gonna help them. I just know that. I just

682
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: know dank Win will do that. If we're being real,

683
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: lay that's the draft. That's That's what I find disconcerting.

684
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Speaker 1: Is like just on paper, the cow I mean, you

685
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: can roll your eyes if you want to, but on paper,

686
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in as good of a spot to

687
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Speaker 1: roll over their momentum and be a good team next year.

688
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Like the Packers might lose Aaron Rodgers, the Bucks already

689
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: lost Tom Brady, the Saints lost Sean Payton. I don't

690
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: know why I included the Saints in there. They weren't

691
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: even good last year. The ramp I mean, Aaron Donald

692
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: might retire. Sean McVay, there are retirement rumors about him,

693
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Speaker 1: which is weird to me. I heard, yeah, I was like, what,

694
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Speaker 1: San Francisco's probably gonna trade their starting quarterback, which you

695
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: can argue how good he actually is, but that they're

696
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna they'll be different. They're gonna move forward with a

697
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: guy that's never really done it before. Problem Minnesota's got

698
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: a new coach. Like you start going down the list

699
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: of all the teams that were in the hunt, in

700
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: the mix, of playoff all that stuff. They're all gonna

701
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: have different thing a lot of them will. But the Cowboys,

702
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: because of who they are and because of stuff like this,

703
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: are going to be in this firestorm that is going

704
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: to make it more difficult than it needs to be

705
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: to just focus on getting better. And that's frustrating, but

706
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Speaker 1: it is what it is. Yeah, Parcels talked about it

707
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: when he got here. He said, you know, it's playing

708
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: working at the Cowboys coaching playing. You have to be

709
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: ready for it. It's the big stage because it is

710
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: that's where like it is a it is a it's

711
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: got a big light shining on it at all times,

712
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Speaker 1: and so there's always going to be extra stuff outside

713
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Speaker 1: of just football that you got to deal with if

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Speaker 1: you're going to play and coach here. This goes against

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm just shouting into the void. It's not

716
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: going to happen, But I'd love to see an offseason

717
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys losing the playoffs and then just sort

718
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: of fade away into the ether for six months and

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Speaker 1: come back at training camp like, Okay, we're ready to

720
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Speaker 1: We're going to try to be better this year. Like

721
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen that way. Instead, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: the GM and the coach going back and forth about

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Speaker 1: whether he'll be the coach here next year. It's just

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Speaker 1: all right, wild, we're gonna take our final break. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we are going to have some cap talk.

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Speaker 1: We got some some guys that you talk about that

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Speaker 1: are that will impact the cap whether they're here or not.

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Speaker 1: a final segment of the Break. Life in SWBC more

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Speaker 1: each studios at the Star, Let's talk some cap salary cap.

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Speaker 1: Last week we got started, we talked about the big names,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the big names. You got your Marii

774
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Coopers and your to Marcus Lawrences and and we kind

775
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: of got through all of that at this one. I

776
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: think is an interesting little take because it's not a

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00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: move you have to make, and it doesn't really wouldn't

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: necessarily in none of these moves necessarily will save you

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Speaker 1: a ton of money, but they could be bits of money.

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Speaker 1: And I say bits of money. I know that's gonna

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00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: sound weird because we're talking millions of dollars, but it

782
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Speaker 1: could be money that if you make a few of

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Speaker 1: these moves all added together, it actually could be a

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00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: significant amount of money for the Cowboys against their Caps.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the cornerback position right now. He

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Speaker 1: got a guy who's gonna be entering his second year

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Speaker 1: in Kelvin Joseph. I would say we probably would all

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Speaker 1: agree that he had some moments this year where he

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00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: flashed where you thought it a pretty good player. That

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00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: all being said, do you is he reliable enough for you,

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Speaker 1: whether that be on the field or off the field,

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00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: is he reliable for enough for you at this point

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Speaker 1: for you to consider cutting either Anthony Brown or Jordan

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Speaker 1: Lewis to save some money. I'm not trying to hate

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Speaker 1: on Kelvin. I think it's a stretch to say that

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: he even flashed. Really, yes, I think he got on

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Speaker 1: the field at the end of the season and seemed

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00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: to hold up pretty well. Like he played against Arizona.

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Speaker 1: He did all right, had a chance at a pick,

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Speaker 1: and then he got to play in the JV game

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Speaker 1: against the Eagles, and he played like seventy snaps and

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Speaker 1: was fine. I don't know if that's enough to say

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Speaker 1: that he flashed. I thought, I don't. I'm not down

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Speaker 1: on him at all. Do you just to clarify that,

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Speaker 1: do you think he was better or worse or the

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00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: same as what you would expect to see from Anthony Brown.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it's nearly enough of a sample

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Speaker 1: size to compare to guys that played like a thousand snaps.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Anthony Brown was out there every week, and

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Speaker 1: Jordan was for the most part as well. This was

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Speaker 1: his most involved season ever. And so you say something

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00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: just combining that with again, you hate on ab all

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00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: you want. You can hate on Jordan all you want.

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Speaker 1: They were serviceable, I would say, at or near replacement level,

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Speaker 1: some weeks above, some weeks maybe a little bit below.

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Speaker 1: But they were serviceable guys by NFL standards. They're not

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: making enough money that they're contract is like blinking at me,

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Speaker 1: you know, like every year you're like, whoof that is

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00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: a contract that is not living up to what it

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00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: needs to be. They are performing right at what you

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Speaker 1: expect for the money the Cowboys gave them, So I

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Speaker 1: just I don't see a reason to tinker with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to compare anybody. But when you

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Speaker 1: think about Treyvon Diggs and his second year, entering his

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00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: second year, he got to play a lot more in

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Speaker 1: his rookie year, and you felt really good about him

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Speaker 1: going into the second year based off of what we've seen.

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Speaker 1: But Kelvin Josephs he didn't give us that because for

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Speaker 1: whatever the reason, because he wasn't good enough really to

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Speaker 1: beat out Anthony Brown or Jordan Lewis and of course Diggs.

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Speaker 1: But also when he was there, he did okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: he got kicked out of a game too for like

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Speaker 1: a fight. I mean like he just well, whatever the reason,

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Speaker 1: he just didn't get a chance to show a lot.

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Speaker 1: And so it's a big offseason for him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but you said, are you comfortable and it may be

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Speaker 1: a situation where you have to do it anyways, you're

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00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: just you're you're you're not going to be comfortable. It's

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Speaker 1: like I guess the people that that bungee jump, I mean,

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00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it because they have they feel like

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00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: they have to, but they're probably not comfortable doing it.

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Speaker 1: But then hopefully it works out. That's that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you might have to cut one of those

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Speaker 1: guys Lewis or Brown and say, well, we drafted this guy,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play. Doesn't mean you're comfortable. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna rely on anyone that I barely remember anything about,

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00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, Like I'm sitting here trying to There's nothing

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Speaker 1: I can really remember. And I watched every single game,

849
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: so there was nothing memorable that he did for me

850
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable enough to say, oh yeah, let's rely

851
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: on this guy on Kelvin Joseph. But at the same time,

852
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: when I look at the money on Anthony Brown and

853
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, and it's crazy because I would love to

854
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: have that kind of money, But at the same time,

855
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: it just looks so little. It's like, okay, we have

856
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: we all, you have to, you have to, we all

857
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: have to agree that there's an NFL standard, and then

858
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: there's a real life you take this. He rolls off.

859
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: That's what I found as comfortable, Like there's five million dollars,

860
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: But if I just look at his five that feels

861
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: better to me than say five, I would faint. I

862
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: would faint if presented with five million dollars. But in

863
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: the world of the NFL, it's nothing. But when you

864
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: look at their money and what the Cowboys would save,

865
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm just like, uh, it's it's nothing. Well, but let's

866
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: let's zeros. I think, man, I want to take two

867
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: zeros off, right, what do I mean? Just just to

868
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: make you feel like it just it just feels more

869
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: natural to just say five versus five million, like for me,

870
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: just feels a little a little more relatable. You have

871
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: to just make the concession that we're way out of

872
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: our depth and you're just like, look this, this is

873
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: not our world. We're just talking about it. And just

874
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: to be clear, Anthony Brown, if they were cut him,

875
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: they would say five billion. And as regardless of if

876
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: they cut him now or they cut him, say I

877
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: said billion. I did not say. I did not. I

878
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: was not trying to say billion. That's way off. Yeah,

879
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: five million, he would. They would say five million against

880
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: the cap, whether it's now or June first cut. And

881
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis would save two point three if they cut

882
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: him now, three point four million if they cut him

883
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: as a June one cut. What I would do with

884
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks? Again, I say this about everything like depth

885
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: is great. I love having depth. Like you look at

886
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: the cornerback chart, maybe the best I've felt about the

887
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: cornerback depth chart for this team and forever, Like you've

888
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: got a superstar, two adequate starters, and then two highly

889
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: drafted guys that maybe you're not thrilled about, but you

890
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about. I mean, it's about as good

891
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: as you can ask for, unless you stumble into Allegian

892
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: in the fu. Yeah, you take those guys to training camp.

893
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: If Kelvin Joseph makes a digs like jump, now you

894
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: got trade bait. Now you have the luxury to cut

895
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: somebody at roster cuts if you need to. You still

896
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: save that money, like you save that money in September

897
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: the same way. Just doesn't help you in free agency

898
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: with trying to resign your own guys or trying to

899
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: get other guys. They don't give you enough money to

900
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: really help you anyway. Like you get more money out

901
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: of restructuring a bigger contract than you do out of

902
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: cutting those guys. Well that's where I think, you know,

903
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: it's it's that whole principle with money, right, Yeah, A

904
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: dime unto itself is not a lot of money, but

905
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: you start collecting dimes and before you know it, you

906
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: got a significant amount of money. I do think that

907
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: five million dollars is nothing that like that that might

908
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: help you resign a guy that you want to be

909
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: able to keep right, that may be ja Ron curse, right,

910
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: So I think it does matter. Even though it's not

911
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: huge money. It's not the twenty million savings. Five million

912
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: is significant. It's not a big enough saving for me

913
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: to go messing with my depth chart. That's just me, like,

914
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: and that's fair, that's fair, that's good to come down

915
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: to the two guys you just mentioned, and Na Sean

916
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Wright and Kelvin Joseph if those guys are ready to

917
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: make that leap. But I but do you know that

918
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: they're ready until you get to like camp or even

919
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: after that? Really no, And I don't think you can

920
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: you can mess with it. They didn't show you enough

921
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: things where you could be like, you know, I mean

922
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: like Diggs. Diggs showed them enough that I mean they

923
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: were excited about him, be honest, showed them enough that

924
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, they thought they could you know, I think

925
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: it was a mistake, but whatever, I mean, But the

926
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: rookies playing but Kelvin Joseph hasn't done that. And I've

927
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: said it a hundred times. I'll say it again. These

928
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: next three or four months are big, big months for

929
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: him because his track record has never been about talent.

930
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: It's about his commitment to where he's at and to

931
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: put the extra work in there to really say, hey,

932
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm a part of this. I want to get better

933
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: and not just live up to my athletic ability. That's

934
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: why I want to see what he comes back in

935
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: the offseason. Has he made this big leap as he does,

936
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: his body look better, as he quicker, Is he taking

937
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: care of himself, committed to it? If if so, he

938
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: could be really good. But yeah, the seat you can't

939
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: predict this to a certainty. But the ab and Jordan

940
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: Lewis deals are small enough that they're probably movable too. Like,

941
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: not for anything crazy, but if Kelvin Joseph is a

942
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: badass at camp, you could trade one of those guys

943
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: for a late round pick, which is better than cutting

944
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: him for nothing. I mean, I know, you forego the savings,

945
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: but again, I'm going to restructure Dak. You can restructure

946
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. You can do a lot of stuff to

947
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: free up that money without having to cut those guys.

948
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I haven't looked out at all the free agents that

949
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: are expected to be this year around the NFL. But

950
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: could there be another guy that's you wouldn't necessarily be

951
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: a grade in the position and spending a ton of money,

952
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: but that could provide you some kind of the different

953
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: like experience from a veteran guy that maybe it's slightly

954
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: better than what you got in Anthony Brown. I don't know,

955
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: like a guy that would be available in March, like

956
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: somebody else's free agent. You mean, yeah, yeah, that maybe

957
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: you're keeping an eye on and you're like, okay, this

958
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: is doable, and he might be slightly better than Anthony Brown.

959
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: We've seen what Anthony Brown has given us and maybe

960
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: it just doesn't theoretically, yeah, I mean that could be possible.

961
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: It will cost you more to sign somebody else's guy

962
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: than to just keep your own, probably, But it comes

963
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: down to what dan quinn can do, and dan Quinn

964
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: will McClay those guys of the players that they've ad

965
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know, Jon Curse wasn't with um

966
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. He just had played against him and seen

967
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: him and said, you know, kind of had an eye

968
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: on him, So yeah, that's what I'm looking at it.

969
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be those guys? We we oh, we talked

970
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: about this on the thing we shot with Brit Johnson yesterday.

971
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Just like after seeing that, the pressures on to do

972
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: it again because yeah, like that's a great point. Jaron

973
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: Curse isn't even a career Quinn guy. Dan Quinn was like, yeah,

974
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: let's sign him, and he's a beast, and Demonte Casey

975
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: was pretty good and Malie Cooker was pretty good. Carlos

976
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Watkins probably doesn't get enough credit for how well he

977
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: played relative to how much he costs, Like, well, go

978
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: do it again, because they're not going to give you

979
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: significantly more funding this year. But now we expect these

980
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: free agents to hit because they did the first year

981
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: under Quinn. If we go back to the norm where

982
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: half of these guys get cut in the other half

983
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: don't really do anything, that's gonna be first, it's gonna

984
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: be a bummer, and it's also gonna impede this team

985
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: from improving, like they have to do at least as

986
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: good of a job this year finding those guys as

987
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: they did last year. Allright, let's slip to the tight

988
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: end position. Right now, you've got Blake Jarwin. He is

989
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: if they were to cut him, they could get three

990
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: point eight million back. If it's June one cut, they

991
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: could get four point eight million back against their cap. Now,

992
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: the entriesting part about that is you got Dalton Schultz,

993
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: who will be a free agent, and not to say

994
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: that you could sign him for that same money, but

995
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: certainly anything could help. Do you think that Number one?

996
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Cowboys should make Dalton Schultz

997
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: a priority as far as a free agent signing? And

998
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: then number two, would you cut Blake Jarwin for the

999
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: purposes of resigning Dalton Scholtz? I would? I would start

1000
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: with Schultz. I would. That would be the first thing

1001
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: that you know, if I'm the Cowboys, I make up

1002
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: my mind there. I'm like, do we feel like we

1003
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: need him to be a part of this? And if

1004
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: they're like, yes, we do. He's got to be here.

1005
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: He helps, you know, all the other guys, then then

1006
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: I would try to resign him. And then if that happens,

1007
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: then I'm going to let go of Jarwin. And the

1008
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: reason why is because I've always thought that they're almost

1009
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: the same player. You know, Neither one of them are

1010
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: great blockers. They're kind of their pass catcher. One's got

1011
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: better hands than the other, one can move a little

1012
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: bit better. One's taller and longer. But whatever, they they're

1013
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: about the same. So I need I need a blocker anyways,

1014
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: So I don't need both of them to do that

1015
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: and cost that kind of money. I could be wrong,

1016
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: I've been. It's it's so hard to predict what these

1017
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: guys are worth on the open market. I remember famously

1018
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I missed the Terrence Williams things so bad, Like I

1019
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: just I thought he would get priced out of here,

1020
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He wound up coming back. So anything's possible.

1021
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think the Cowboys will be able

1022
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: to compete with whatever Dalton Schultz gets offered if they

1023
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: let him hit free agency, which I assume they will.

1024
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: Like you just look at the free agent list, he's

1025
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: one of the better ones hitting this year, and certainly

1026
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Graham Gronkowski, like all those guys are sort of moving

1027
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: out of their prime. Dalton Schultz is entering his prime.

1028
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I just think I think he's going to get an

1029
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: offer that the Cowboys can't really compete with and so

1030
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: that's why I would love to keep him around. But

1031
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: I just think like that's a classic case of like

1032
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a third or fourth round comp for

1033
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: a guy that we spent a fourth round pick on.

1034
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna wish you well. Blake Jarwin has a very

1035
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: similar skill set, was probably going to be our starter

1036
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: before he got hurt in the first place, and we

1037
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: just move on. We just keep the guy that we

1038
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: already gave a small contract to and get a comp

1039
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: pick out of losing Schultz. That would be my guess

1040
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: as to what happens. Yeah, I agree with Dave. I

1041
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: don't think Schultz would be back on here and then

1042
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: asked for Blake Jarwin. I would be like, h I'm

1043
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: good with letting him go. But and I've been always

1044
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: a Blake Jarwin fan. But it's just and it's not

1045
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: his fault. You know, he's dealt with injuries and it's

1046
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: unfortunate he hasn't been what you expected him or thought

1047
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: he would be once Jason Witten went away and all that.

1048
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: But you have to keep certain guys. You cannot go

1049
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: out and start cutting people and save money here and there.

1050
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: You need a tight end you're gonna have to address

1051
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: the position regardless, but by cutting him and saving that

1052
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: little amount of money, you're creating a bigger need on

1053
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: an offense that already has plenty of other needs that

1054
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to reinforce through the draft and hopefully

1055
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: some through free agency. So at this point I'm like, yeah,

1056
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: don't touch you just leaving on here because you need

1057
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: somebody there. Yeah, I kind of agree with all that

1058
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: because I personally what I look at it is I

1059
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: think they're comfortable players. I think, quite frankly, if Blake

1060
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Jarwin had not had the injury, I think he would

1061
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 1: be having exact same kind of numbers as what you're seeing.

1062
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: Yet we'll be sorry from Blake Dalton Schultz. I don't

1063
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: think Dalton Schultz. And this is the part that really

1064
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how other teams look

1065
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: at him. Do they look at him as just the

1066
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: benefactor of the fact that the quarterback for whatever reason,

1067
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: found some synergy with him, tried to dump it off

1068
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: to him a lot because he wasn't really making the

1069
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: kind of plays often that we're like, oh my gosh, wow,

1070
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: that was a crazy athletic play or like he doesn't

1071
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: really have that thing that jumps out to you this like,

1072
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's a really great player at the

1073
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: position other than his production, which is great, like he's

1074
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: catching a lot of balls. But I think if you

1075
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: had Blake Jarwin in the same situation, I think Blake

1076
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: Jarwin probably produces in the same way. And that's where

1077
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, so give me the cheaper of the two.

1078
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: And if Blake Jarwin's a cheaper So I've been in

1079
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: Jarwin Truther since like twenty sixteen, so I'm with you

1080
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: on that. I think he can make all the same

1081
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: types of plays I do think. I don't think Dalton

1082
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: gets credit for his athleticism, Like he can make plays downfield.

1083
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: I can go make you a cut up of him

1084
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: making plays down the scene. He had a great catch

1085
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: against Vegas, touchdowns against Atlanta going down the field, shouts

1086
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: out to our friends at Spotrack, Like the resources in

1087
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: this department have come so far over the years that

1088
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: I've done this. You can go look at their projection

1089
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: for his next contract. It's four years, fifty one million.

1090
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I ain't paying that, That's what I'm saying.

1091
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the Cowboys can will even

1092
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: be able to compete honestly knowing that they're knowing their

1093
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: cap situation and the other things that they've got to

1094
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: get done, I don't think. And so that's it hasn't

1095
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: paid off so far, Like they haven't gotten what they

1096
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: thought they would out of Jarwins since they signed him.

1097
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: But that's why you do deals in advance. You're like, Okay, well,

1098
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: this guy's pretty similar, basically the same tight end, and

1099
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: we've got him locked down for half the value of

1100
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: that contract. Let's just stick with that. I don't think

1101
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: fifty million would be enough to get them a third

1102
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: round comp pick, but it would probably get him a fourth. Yeah.

1103
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: By the way, good for Dalton Schultz if he can LA.

1104
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely I would wish the best for him. But that's

1105
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: just one when you look at all the priorities for

1106
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I just don't know if he would be

1107
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: that off five, that far up my priority list when

1108
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm already worried about if I'm talking, if they are

1109
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: actually having conversations about cutting guys like Amari Cooper and

1110
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: Tank Lawrence, then this is way down the priorities. I

1111
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: would not be wanting to cut those guys in favor

1112
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: of trying to get a deal done with Schultz just

1113
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me completely. And that's I don't

1114
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: I kind of hate these conversations because it makes it

1115
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: sound like I don't think Dalton Schultz is worth it.

1116
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: That's not true at all. I think he's He's had

1117
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: a fantastic two years. Fully in favor of him, Get go,

1118
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: get the bag, dude. I just don't think it's and

1119
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: there's a realistic that it's here now you're like, thank

1120
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: you for your time, you know what you did here,

1121
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: but it's time to move on. And that is that's

1122
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: that's the model that they've built. You can take issue

1123
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: with it if you want to, but you identify the

1124
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: guys that you need, and not everybody's gonna fit within

1125
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: those that that money constraint, and you say, well, we're

1126
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: going to get a draft pick for you, and we

1127
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: appreciate your time here and best of luck. I mean,

1128
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: hopefully it's not With the Eagles. It starts out like

1129
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: there's always one Domino that's scared. Just wouldn't want to

1130
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: have to root against him. Sorry, well, I just it's

1131
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: all about Amari Cooper. I mean he starts every conversation.

1132
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: That's where you get your money, right, Yeah, well that's

1133
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: how you get your money. But also, like Cooper and

1134
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: Lamb and then a pretty good third receiver, whoever it is,

1135
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: all of that helped open up the middle for Schultz.

1136
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: You don't put if Cooper's not there, and then it's

1137
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: just Lamb and then no one else that they're really

1138
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: scared of. So then that they double team him, and

1139
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: then I mean, he's he had a hard time sometimes

1140
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: getting open when he was the second guy, so now

1141
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the first guy. And then I mean,

1142
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: the worst thing you could do is pay twelve and

1143
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: a half thirteen million for Schultz to keep him. But

1144
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: if you did that, you had to cut Cooper. And

1145
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: then now all of a sudden, you're like, why is

1146
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Schultz not really that good? Because he's one of the

1147
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: focal points. And then it's like this other Cedric Wilson's

1148
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: not getting open, right, So it's like, I don't know.

1149
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it all starts with a Mari, and I

1150
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: just think that would be the dumbest thing in the

1151
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: world to cut Amari Cooper. I really do preach, because

1152
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it so they can keep Randy. But

1153
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: was the defense? Was the defense awesome last year? I

1154
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: mean I just relative was the defense awesome? And I

1155
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: don't think it was awesome. I think it was good

1156
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: at times, it wasn't awesome. So you're gonna keep giving

1157
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: you in years, doesn't matter. I'm gonna be like God

1158
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: that we're pretty awesome. Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's

1159
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: a it's a relative comparison, right compared to the year before,

1160
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: they were awesome. But if you just look at them

1161
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: in the pantheon of all the teams in the NFL,

1162
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: and their defense is I don't know that it was awesome.

1163
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: It was good, and it certainly was better. So you're

1164
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna keep Randy Gregory so you can keep that same,

1165
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, defense, But you're gonna lose Amri in this.

1166
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I'm keeping Amri. I'm keeping this

1167
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: offense to be great. I need something to be great,

1168
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: and then I'll figure out the defense and let Dan

1169
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: Quinn figure out the defense. He's getting paid a lot

1170
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: more than he did last year. Figure it out even again,

1171
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: the frustrating thing is that they could accomplish both of

1172
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: those goals. They could push Amar's money back to free

1173
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: up cap space to keep other guys, and they just

1174
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: haven't shown a willingness to touch his money. They'll touch

1175
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: everybody else's money, yeah, every even like guys who, in

1176
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, or not living up to their contract nearly

1177
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: as well as a Marir, But they don't want to

1178
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: touch his money. And I said that last week on

1179
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: the show, and I said, you know the way to

1180
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: do that with a mari and give him twenty million

1181
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: and now you're only going to count about ten or

1182
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: twelve this year, But that does push it up almost

1183
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: twenty eight thirty million next year, So that doesn't necessarily

1184
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: make sense. I mean, you're hoping that the NFL TV

1185
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: contracts come in and push the cap up and all

1186
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But question, and you know, I

1187
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: don't know many things about when it comes to contracts

1188
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: and things like that, but when you're talking about restructuring

1189
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: a player's contract, is that something that the player and

1190
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: his agent have to be an agreement with prior or

1191
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can just do it and socause it's within

1192
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: in some cases, the player has to if you're going

1193
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: to cut his contract, like we're gonna pay you less money. Yeah,

1194
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: that is a separate negotiation. It really doesn't happen that

1195
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: often because players are like, no, screw, you can cut me.

1196
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: But a lot of the cowboys build their contrac tracks.

1197
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,959
Speaker 1: When I say restructure, you can convert their salary into

1198
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: a bonus, which they immediately get. It reduces their cap

1199
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: hit and pushes it into the future, which makes them

1200
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: harder to cut later, but gives you instant relief. And

1201
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: you can do that with a click of a button.

1202
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: It's usually designed into these contracts where you email the

1203
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: agent and say, we're triggering this today. We're not asking,

1204
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: we're just doing it. You know, Amari's check for twelve

1205
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: million will be in the mail by the end of

1206
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: the week. Correct me if I'm wrong. I want to

1207
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: say Jeff Kavanaugh tweeted this, but someone tweeted is you

1208
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: responded to it where basically, if you if they triggered

1209
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: right now, they'd have like sixty six million dollars available

1210
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: to them, which you know I mean, and and a

1211
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: lot of it we talked about it last week. A

1212
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: lot of it is stuff where you're like, I mean, yeah,

1213
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: if you push some money forward, really the only contract

1214
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: you'd probably be really concerned about doing that with Zeke,

1215
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: just because you know, is that the amount of money

1216
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: you're paying to a running back with that level of production,

1217
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: is that work going through the whole contract all the others.

1218
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: You could probably make a case to say, I don't

1219
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: know if I'm really against them pushing money forward on

1220
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: these because a lot of them are gonna come do

1221
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: anyway in the next year or two. I would be

1222
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: nervous about doing it with Tank. How many years he

1223
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: got left on his deal, two or three? Two or three?

1224
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 1: And the injury history makes you nervous. I mean you could,

1225
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: but I don't think it kills you. I guess you

1226
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: just you just have to wait. You don't think it

1227
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: kills you until he tears his labor from in August,

1228
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: and so you're not getting anything for a guy that

1229
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: is killing your cap now and can't be cut later.

1230
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you got to weigh all that stuff.

1231
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: You think He's at a point now where you're worried

1232
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: every year is gonna be an injury for Tank. I

1233
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: hate to dog the guy, but the results are what

1234
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: they are. I mean, yeah, yes he has and it's

1235
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: a testament to his toughness that he hasn't missed more

1236
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: time honestly, because like he's played He played all of

1237
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: eighteen with like his shoulder just screwed up, you know

1238
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, he's played through a lot of stuff,

1239
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: and he's also missed time. But yes, the accumulation of

1240
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: injuries is significant. That it's it would always be in

1241
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: the back of my mind that one makes more sense

1242
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: in two part ways with than Amari to me, just

1243
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: because especially if you're gonna resign Randy, right yeah, I

1244
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: mean yeah, if you resign Randy and then whatever you

1245
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: do with Micah, you know, whatever that is that I

1246
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: could see that being. I won't be surprised if the

1247
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: Cowboys tried to talk to Tank and his people about

1248
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: a pay cut, and I won't be surprised at all

1249
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: if Tank and his people are like, nah, I'm good.

1250
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: He just find hitting the open market if that's what

1251
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: you want to do, right Yeah. So I think that's

1252
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: probably the way, Like it's it. I use the term

1253
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: fun facetiously, but like I think it's I think they're

1254
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna get a little chaotic here over the

1255
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: next like five six weeks. Yeah, crazy, because it feels

1256
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: like it was just yesterday when we were having the

1257
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: press conference and Tank signing that contract and all that.

1258
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: It's like NFL, change is fast. If comes at you fast,

1259
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: change is really fast. All right, appreciate you guys joining us.

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: We had a good conversation today. Next week we'll get

1261
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: back to you. Have more conversation till then. For Nick Even,

1262
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eielton. This

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01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,160
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