WEBVTT - Part One: Jim Bowie: The Worst Texan

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<v Speaker 1>M podcasts. This is Robert Evans and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>introduction from Behind the Bastards, which is a podcast, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I said the word podcasts. Today with me

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<v Speaker 1>in the room that is a digital room and not

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<v Speaker 1>a physical room because of the plague. Is Mr Billy

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Davis. Everybody, Hey, Billy, how are you doing? How's

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<v Speaker 1>your quarantine going? It's doing pretty good exercising. Yeah. When

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you last over Skype, you look like normal Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly this week you have a mustache and

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<v Speaker 1>a headband. It's coming together. It's been an interesting quarantine

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<v Speaker 1>week for you. I'm embracing it. You've got a cookery now,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a special type of curb Nepalese blade very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to the Gerber to see if I liked it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then now I'm gonna get into Apoll and get

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<v Speaker 1>one proper. Yeah, I have a Nepalese blade smith that

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<v Speaker 1>I can point you towards. This is a podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>the worst pill in all of history. And Billy, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I have developed a couple of different niches for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We're we're we have a lot of niches. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those niches is medical scammers. And this is not a

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<v Speaker 1>medical scammer episode because our other niche is weirdos from

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<v Speaker 1>the South. Today, we're going to talk about one of

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<v Speaker 1>the South's great, all time famous weirdo bastards, Billy Wayne Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you know about Jim Booie? I know the name,

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean? Like growing up in

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<v Speaker 1>the South, You're just like, yeah, you hear it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what he There's like, I don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you did. You've probably heard of I'm gonna guess

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<v Speaker 1>everybody listening to this has at least heard of a

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<v Speaker 1>bowie knife, which is a great kind of knife, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite knives. It's basically a small sword that

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<v Speaker 1>is a dagger because we call it one instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a small sword. UM, with a specific kind of curved

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<v Speaker 1>in point to the top of the blade. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's great for it was initially It's great for hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and skinning animals, and it's also great for waving around

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<v Speaker 1>drunkenly at a house party if you're me and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Um. The one thing I am about him

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<v Speaker 1>is the the giant mutton had the horrifying facial hair.

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<v Speaker 1>He had gigantic mutton chops and he died at the Alumo.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I was I was a Texas boy. So in

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas school, you have a special class called Texas History,

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<v Speaker 1>and every Texas kid learns a lot about Jim Booie

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all wrong because they only teaches about Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Booie at Texas School. I know who Jim Bowie. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yes I do. I just came back. It froze and

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<v Speaker 1>everything came back, and then you said the Alumo and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like immediately on his motherfucker's Yes. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Booie is a giant piece of ship because this

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<v Speaker 1>is my show. But he's also like a frontier legend,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's one of those he's like David Crockett Um

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<v Speaker 1>or like wild Bill Hickock, like he's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>like wild West legends. So this is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>hoot of a tale. Um And yeah, let's just get

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<v Speaker 1>into it. So h James Bowie Um was born on

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<v Speaker 1>March tenth, uh in Logan County, Kentucky, in seventeen nineties six,

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<v Speaker 1>probably because again in Kentucky in seventeen ninety six, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>was super good at like birth certificates and the like. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's that's a good guess as to when he

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<v Speaker 1>was born three or four days ago. Yeah, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>came into the world sometime round round about. Then it

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<v Speaker 1>was the year when we had that big flood on

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<v Speaker 1>the river. Yeah, that's kind of how people talked about

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<v Speaker 1>ship like that back then. So yeah, his brother gives

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<v Speaker 1>March ten six is as James Bowie's birthdays. Older brother

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<v Speaker 1>John gives that as the birthdate. And uh, John is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the source of a lot of our information

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<v Speaker 1>on Jim Bowie's early life. But John and every other

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<v Speaker 1>member of the Bowie family are liars and unreliable narrators.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really we really take this all with a

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<v Speaker 1>grain of salt. I know people like that and they

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that liars do it. Hey, now I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you the story. But keep in mind, I make

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff up. Keep in mind, what would

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<v Speaker 1>the moonshine? I can't keep much much together about my

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<v Speaker 1>own back story. Yeah, the Booe families a bit like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have financial motives for telling a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>saying a bunch of fun ship about Jim Bullie. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they have much in the way of

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<v Speaker 1>financial motives about lying about his birthdates. That's probably more

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<v Speaker 1>or less accurate, at least as well as they could

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<v Speaker 1>remember it. So uh Jim was the ninth of ten

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<v Speaker 1>children born to Resin, which I think was just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of so basically our easy I n is how his

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<v Speaker 1>dad's first name was spelled, and it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be Reason, but they weren't great at spelling in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>back in the seventeen hundreds, so they wrote it out

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<v Speaker 1>as Resin Um. So he was this Yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>not bad for modern Kentucky spelling they're doing right, You

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<v Speaker 1>get the gist of it. So, yeah, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>son of Resin Boo and uh An Elvy Booi and

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<v Speaker 1>his parents came to the United States as part of

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<v Speaker 1>a massive Scottish migration across Appalachia and into the Old

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<v Speaker 1>South Old South. The Booey family were basically the archetypal

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<v Speaker 1>early White Americans pioneers down to the core of their marrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Resin had a habit of moving on to wild land

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<v Speaker 1>in the frontier, developing it by building homes and orchards

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and then when other people would come in

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<v Speaker 1>and move in around him. He would get angry because

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't like being around other people. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be out in the middle of nowhere, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>moved somewhere else and start building a homestead again until

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<v Speaker 1>civilization or whatever caught up with him. This was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like how Jim Bowie's dad liked to live first

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<v Speaker 1>house slipper. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like gentrifying. Yeah, he's like he's basically gentrifying, like

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. Yeah yeah, but then he hates it and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got it. Like, yeah, you could call them early hipsters.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead of like you know, enjoying artists lofts and

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<v Speaker 1>uh artisanal coffee houses, he liked fighting bears with machetes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>every time I see alize of place, these people shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of resins attitude. So the point of making

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<v Speaker 1>is he he wasn't just going about this like make

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<v Speaker 1>a home and a living for himself and his family,

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<v Speaker 1>like he needed to be at the bleeding edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the frontier. And so Jim Booie's early life as a

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<v Speaker 1>child consisted of many moves. You know, they'd spend a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years somewhere, and then his father would grow

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated by the fact that there were human beings within

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<v Speaker 1>a half mile of them, and so they'd move somewhere else. Liked.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized, like these people, there's a there's a level

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<v Speaker 1>of even though all these people are spoilers, slave owners

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<v Speaker 1>and colonizers and monsters, there's a level of respect you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have to anyone who is like, there's people

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<v Speaker 1>within a mile of me, I'm gonna go move out

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<v Speaker 1>to the middle of nowhere with an hatchet and build

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<v Speaker 1>another home, like like they're they're tough, is Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>just keep thinking, I'm like, I'm not as stubborn as

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. There there's there's a TikTok r. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's like where the wife comes in, it's like, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to move. The neighbor said, hi, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>these people. Yeah, yeah, that's resin Booie friends, Billy, what

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<v Speaker 1>were you saying? I'm gonna call you booeye a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times and as I'm certain I like it, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember, Oh good, fantastic. Well, uh yeah. So now

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<v Speaker 1>the Booie family, when Jim was young, tended to live

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<v Speaker 1>all the spots they pick. We're along the Mississippi River,

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<v Speaker 1>and they basically moved down the Mississippi as like people

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<v Speaker 1>filled up the area above them. UM and moving dot

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<v Speaker 1>day for the Booey family meant they would build by

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<v Speaker 1>hand a flat bottom boat, toss all of their ship

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<v Speaker 1>onto it, and then sail down the Mississippi to find

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<v Speaker 1>a new place to live. So that's what. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>like the U haul of the day is, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>just wake up here. Ship Dad's boat. Dad's making a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>God damn it. Yeah. Now Will Jim Bowie's first memories

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<v Speaker 1>probably would have been in the Twapay Township in what

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<v Speaker 1>is now Missouri uh and what was then still under

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<v Speaker 1>French control and part of their new Madrid district now.

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<v Speaker 1>The name Twapati came from the original inhabitants of the land,

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple Creek band of the Shawnee tribe. They'd been

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<v Speaker 1>forced out by white men via unspeakable violence and disease,

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<v Speaker 1>and young Jim would go on to spend much of

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<v Speaker 1>his childhood playing in camps that they had abandoned all

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the forests and swamps around Twapty Township. UM. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>His earliest memories from age four to six would have

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty relaxed. Bowie family children weren't expected to work

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<v Speaker 1>much at that age, and Jim would have spent much

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<v Speaker 1>of his time relatively unsupervised in the middle of the woods. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The Booey men were in general uh given to spending

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time alone in the middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim's formal education would have been basically non existent. His

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<v Speaker 1>mother Elvi, taught her children the alphabet, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>about all she knew, so that was about all they learned. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>After two years in Twopity, it got too developed for

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<v Speaker 1>resident and the family moved now. During this time, much

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<v Speaker 1>of the southeast was still run and owned by France,

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<v Speaker 1>and the French government saw Americans as an ally in

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<v Speaker 1>their endless, bloody war against English people, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>only war that really matters in my opinion. That's that's yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they were happy to allow Americans to settle in the

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana territory, and they offered generous terms on land grants

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<v Speaker 1>for them to do so. The Bowie family kept moving south,

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<v Speaker 1>and by eighteen twelve they'd staked out a claim on

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<v Speaker 1>buyou vermillion in the Atta Kappas parish just south of

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<v Speaker 1>opelousas Uh. They got into the timber cutting business, and

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<v Speaker 1>by now Jim was coming up into a young adult,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was able to help the family business, as

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<v Speaker 1>did all of his many brothers. The Bowie boys were close,

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<v Speaker 1>and for most of his life, Jim Bowie's primary business

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<v Speaker 1>partners would be his kin. He was raised with a

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<v Speaker 1>love of exploration and constant motion, as well as an

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<v Speaker 1>abiding appreciation for owning enslaved human beings. His grandfather had

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<v Speaker 1>owned people, as had his father. The Bowies weren't but

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<v Speaker 1>they did not and did not have large fields full

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<v Speaker 1>of enslaved people, but they kept small families of field

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<v Speaker 1>hands enslave to help them with their work. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna read a quote now from the book Three Roads

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<v Speaker 1>to the Alamo that describes sort of how slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>practiced within the Bowie family. It's gonna sound like it's

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<v Speaker 1>making a different point than it is at first, but

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<v Speaker 1>just just listen to the whole quote. Typically, for land

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<v Speaker 1>owned by small farmer slaveholders, Bowie plantations enjoyed benign, even

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<v Speaker 1>familial relations between blacks and whites. They certainly wore for

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<v Speaker 1>where for Uncle Reza, who never married, but who fathered

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<v Speaker 1>a son named James by a slave mistress around sometime

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<v Speaker 1>around seventeen ninety, and thereafter openly acknowledged him, gave him

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<v Speaker 1>his freedom and the family name, and brought him to

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana with the rest of the clan. The Black James

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<v Speaker 1>Bowie remained in cattle cata Hula while the rest moved south.

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<v Speaker 1>For years to come, he steadily did land and loan

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<v Speaker 1>business with both John Senior and Junior, even buying and

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<v Speaker 1>selling slaves himself, and achieved some minor position in the

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<v Speaker 1>community near Sicily Island, wherever Bowie blood flowed, clanned loyalty followed.

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<v Speaker 1>In later years, the family were remembered well stories of

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<v Speaker 1>resins Young Uh, stories of resins Young James's closeness to

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<v Speaker 1>an old slave woman named Mandy, of the little kindnesses

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<v Speaker 1>he did for her, and of the advice she passed

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<v Speaker 1>on to the boy. There was never any question that

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<v Speaker 1>the Buoye slaves were property, though, and with the exception

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<v Speaker 1>of a few favorites like old Mandy, they were usually

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<v Speaker 1>sold with the land whenever a buoy moved on. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a really complicated relationship with slaves here. To

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<v Speaker 1>the point where some of the Boweymen have children, um

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<v Speaker 1>with with their slaves, and those children are seen as

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<v Speaker 1>Buoy's and are generally live lives as freed people. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have like certain older slaves that are beloved

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<v Speaker 1>and considered almost a part of the family, but also

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<v Speaker 1>almost um includes a lot of wiggle room. And as

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<v Speaker 1>much as the Buoys pretended to have familiar relations with

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<v Speaker 1>their slaves, they sold them, um whenever they would move,

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<v Speaker 1>because these people were in the end property to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of like, this is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>normal sort of master slave relationship to exist in the

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<v Speaker 1>era at the time with among people who are moving

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like we don't we mainly talk about sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the old plantation system, but that hadn't really gotten

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<v Speaker 1>going in a big way at this point. Um. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how the Booey family dealt with slavery. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's yeah, I don't know, it's weird, it sucks,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was bad. It's just it's very clear

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<v Speaker 1>they've viewed them as livestock. They've used that's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's more messed up than even just that though, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the buoys were a close knit family. You

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of different uncles and brothers all living

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<v Speaker 1>together with their families, and when one of them would

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<v Speaker 1>make another human being with a slave, that that person

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<v Speaker 1>was considered to be a buoy and a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the family. Um, but that person's black cousins and and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, half brothers and stuff would be sold

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<v Speaker 1>off as property. So it's this it's really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>weird to wrap your head around. I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even really get into the head of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who would comfortably do that, who could like recognize that, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this one's got my blood, so he's family, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna treat him like family. But these other people who

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<v Speaker 1>have are related to him, but not to me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna sell like a dishwasher. It's really strange. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such a weird flip of the coin in their head

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<v Speaker 1>where they've made this is the line for us. It's bizarre. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to get my head around in anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should note here that because I my longtime

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<v Speaker 1>co worker uh is Sore and Bowie, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>regularly pronounce the Bowie name in a number of different ways,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to frustrate people and they can just

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<v Speaker 1>they can just deal with it. Yeah, deal with it people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna happen. Sorry. Yeah, So the Bowie family

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<v Speaker 1>patriarch had to kill other human beings at least once

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<v Speaker 1>while the Bowie boys were children. When the family moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Louisiana, they found squatters on their land. A disagreement

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<v Speaker 1>in suit, and Resin killed one of the squatters. He

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<v Speaker 1>was jail. Yeah, yeah, and this was not uncommon because, like,

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<v Speaker 1>land ownership was kind of a murky idea back then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, so was the idea of squatting too,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're just say in court you're not you're yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna see me in court. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shoot ye right now. Yeah. So Residin killed one of

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<v Speaker 1>these squatters and like it went to trial and he

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<v Speaker 1>got jailed in the wake of the fight while they

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<v Speaker 1>were waiting for a trial, and his wife actually got

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of guns together and one of her slaves

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<v Speaker 1>and busted him out of jail. So this would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a pretty early memory of Jim's Booie is his

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<v Speaker 1>like mom and one of their slaves busting their dad

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<v Speaker 1>out of jail for murdering a guy. Um, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. That's that's that that puts an imprint on

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<v Speaker 1>your foundation as a person. I think, yeah, that the

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<v Speaker 1>law is something that you can manipulate via having enough guns.

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<v Speaker 1>I think would have been yeah. Yeah. So Jim's their

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<v Speaker 1>brother also named Resin, left home to go have dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>adventures when he was about nineteen, and this was desperately

0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.720
<v Speaker 1>hard for young Jim because he was very close to

0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.000
<v Speaker 1>his brother. A few years later, when the War of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twelve came to Louisiana, Jim was finally old enough

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<v Speaker 1>to follow Resin when he enlisted. Uh James, another one

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bowie brothers, described Resin Jr. As a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>rowdy and Jim hisself was noted to be even wilder

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<v Speaker 1>and even less thoughtful than his older brother. They were

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<v Speaker 1>both very excited for their chance to go off and

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<v Speaker 1>kill English people. Tragically, they arrived too late. The war

0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.720
<v Speaker 1>ended without them having to fire a shot. The Bullie

0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>brothers were still in the militia, though, and they remained

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<v Speaker 1>in it for a couple of months after the battle,

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<v Speaker 1>taking on boring patrol duties and spending their off duty

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<v Speaker 1>time in the city of New Orleans. Somebody, we'll hang

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<v Speaker 1>out for a couple of moments. Yeah, yeah, that's basically

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. But they don't get a chance to shoot anybody,

0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and they muster out with about twenty one dollars each

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<v Speaker 1>for their troubles. So yeah, that's that's kind of Jim's

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<v Speaker 1>a man now, like he he doesn't get his chance

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<v Speaker 1>to murder anybody, but he's got twenty one dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>his pocket. He's like seventeen years old. That's as much

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<v Speaker 1>of an adulthood as you, um, you get at that

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<v Speaker 1>that period in time and his high school graduation and

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans. That's a good place to be seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>with the pocket full of money. That is a good

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<v Speaker 1>place to be then and now, well no, not now

0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:29.640
<v Speaker 1>because of the coronavirus, but then yeah, yeah. Uh so

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<v Speaker 1>Jim was frustrated at the fact that his war experience

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't ended with him getting to shoot anybody. Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>he also, you know, it was exciting still. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he got to do some patrols and stuff as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the militia. He got to get wasted in New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans and his taste of being out in the world

0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.400
<v Speaker 1>made it impossible for him to return home. Um so

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<v Speaker 1>he took to the same basic tactic as the men

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<v Speaker 1>his father had murdered a couple of years back, and

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<v Speaker 1>started squatting on a patch of land above Bayou Booth

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<v Speaker 1>in Opalosis h James Bowie, Jim's older there, and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>The Booey names are all very complicated because there's multiple

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<v Speaker 1>James and multiple Resins and John's. It's very frustrated. We

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<v Speaker 1>forgot what we name the other one. We named him

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<v Speaker 1>the same one. The feeling you get from the Bowie

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<v Speaker 1>brothers names is that they were expecting. The parents were

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<v Speaker 1>expecting most of them to die, and then they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>because the Bowies tended to be pretty tough, and so

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 1>you wind up with a bunch of kids. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the same fucking name name James. Yeah. We didn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>as many of them would make it eight teen, as

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<v Speaker 1>did I'm gonna make a boat. There's people over here,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, so. Uh. James Bowie, another one of Jim's

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<v Speaker 1>another one of Jim Bowie's older brothers, would later describe

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old Jim Bowie this way. Quote he was Yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>John Bowie, Jim's older Ye, Jesus, I'm sorry. The booing

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<v Speaker 1>names are so fucking competent. How many siblings does he

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<v Speaker 1>have to? They all have weird he has Tim has Tim?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they all? Jim just sucks? Jim? John Right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple. There's a resident in there, Yeah, resident Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very frustrating. But Jim Bowie's older brother would later

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>describe Jim at eighteen this way quote. He was young, proud, poor,

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<v Speaker 1>and ambitious, without any rich family connections or influential fringe

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<v Speaker 1>to aid him in the battle of life. After reaching

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<v Speaker 1>the age of maturity. He was a stout, rather raw

0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.159
<v Speaker 1>boned man of six ft height, with a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty pounds, and about as well made as any man

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<v Speaker 1>I ever saw. His hair was light colored, not quite red.

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<v Speaker 1>His eyes were gray, rather deep set in his head,

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<v Speaker 1>very keen and penetrating in their glance. His complexion was fair,

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<v Speaker 1>his cheekbones rather high. Taken together, he was a manly,

0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 1>fine looking person, and by many of the fair ones

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<v Speaker 1>he was called handsome. The fair ones or women he

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<v Speaker 1>was possessed of, and his brother a little bit Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you get the idea that maybe some boowie

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<v Speaker 1>brothers got up to some some things. They were in

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<v Speaker 1>French country. It wasn't weird good looking brother. I got

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<v Speaker 1>some sexy brothers, and I know from sexy brothers. He

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<v Speaker 1>was possessed of an open, frank disposition, with a rather

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<v Speaker 1>good temper unless aroused by some insult, when the displays

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<v Speaker 1>of his anger were terrible and frequently terminated in some

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<v Speaker 1>tragical scene. So he was a friendly guy unless he

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<v Speaker 1>got angry, in which case he got really violent. That

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.360
<v Speaker 1>he had a pretty fair temper unless he made him mad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he just said. That's literally what he's saying. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot. You just learned the alphabet I forgot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your only education. Uh. He was never known to

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<v Speaker 1>abuse a conquered enemy, or to impose upon the weak

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<v Speaker 1>and defenseless. A man of very strong social feelings. He

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<v Speaker 1>loved his friends with all the ardor of youth, and

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<v Speaker 1>hated his enemies and their friends with all the rancor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Indian. He was social and playing with all men,

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<v Speaker 1>fond of music and the amusements of the day. It

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<v Speaker 1>would take a glass in a merry mood to drive

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<v Speaker 1>dol caraway, but seldom allowed it to steal away his

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<v Speaker 1>brains or transform him into a beast. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>his brother claims, and a lot of it's lies because

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<v Speaker 1>he was a famous drunk um. But yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's how his his older brother described him at eighteen UM. Now,

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.919
<v Speaker 1>by any accounts, Jim Booie was a pretty good frontiersman. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He squatted on land, chopped and sold cypress wood, which

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<v Speaker 1>he saw down in the planks, and then floated down

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<v Speaker 1>by the river into town. He also hunted a great

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<v Speaker 1>deal uh and his brother John wrote that he developed

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly painful way of hunting bears uh quote. In

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<v Speaker 1>the summer season, when the bears were constantly ravaging little

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<v Speaker 1>patches of green corn of the early settlers, he adopted

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<v Speaker 1>the following novel plan to entrap them. After finding a

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<v Speaker 1>place where they usually enter the field, he would find

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<v Speaker 1>like a stump, a tree stump that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hollow on the inside, and he'd filled the inside of

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<v Speaker 1>the stump with spikes that were facing inward, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he'd pour honey into the stump, and so the bear

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<v Speaker 1>would stick it snout in the stumps. The stump to

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<v Speaker 1>get honey, and then as it pulled its head out,

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<v Speaker 1>the spikes would gouge into its face, and so its

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<v Speaker 1>head would be trapped inside the log like with with

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<v Speaker 1>iron spikes gouged into its mouth. And then while the

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<v Speaker 1>bear was like in horrible agony trying to free itself

0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and blinded because it's head stuck in a stump, he

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>would just shoot it in the head. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he went a step Barbara for that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's different times, I guess. So, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of hunter Jim is. He's a he's a

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<v Speaker 1>a cunning man and good at surviving, but also clearly

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<v Speaker 1>uh not against horrific cruelty. Um even like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even amongst sort of the ways you hear about people trapping,

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.879
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty rough. Uh yeah. So uh. He was very

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<v Speaker 1>successful at living on the frontier um, and he made

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<v Speaker 1>enough money that after two years living this way, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>saved up three hundred dollars to use as a down

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<v Speaker 1>payment on the land he'd been squatting on um and

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<v Speaker 1>he had enough left over from that nest dagg after

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<v Speaker 1>he bought the land to buy some human beings, a

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<v Speaker 1>family of four that he purchased on credit from his father.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next couple of years, Jim Bowie used their

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<v Speaker 1>unpaid labor and very questionable credit math to work out

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<v Speaker 1>a series of loans and deferred payments for three more

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 1>parcels of land. Now, these were days in which no

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.119
<v Speaker 1>one had much hard currency, and most deals relied heavily

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>on the amount of personal trust the loanie was able

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<v Speaker 1>to gain from whoever issued the loan. Um it like.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like today where you actually had to have

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<v Speaker 1>the money one way or the other, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you got like a bank to front it to you like.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of loans were based on like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>trustworthy guy um and And Jim Bowie was good initially

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<v Speaker 1>at least at convincing people that he was worth taking

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<v Speaker 1>a risk on. Before long, Using only the his own

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.080
<v Speaker 1>elbow greased and the uncompensated labor of four enslaved people,

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Jim was able to turn these four plots of land

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<v Speaker 1>into a productive and valuable piece of property. He would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually sell it for significantly more than he paid for it.

0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 1>What Jim succeeded with was essentially the goal of the

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.680
<v Speaker 1>smartest pioneers. They were land speculators looking to turn labor

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<v Speaker 1>into real estate value and eventually get to the point

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.680
<v Speaker 1>where they could profit from investments without spending three years

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>clearing timber. In the time when he wasn't working, Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Bowie was sociable, as Three Roads to the Alamo notes,

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Society was important to James Bowie. He loved company, and

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>his open, frank manner and even temper attracted others to him.

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>He was also ambitious, and he knew and he knew

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>it to be in his interest to cultivate friendships with

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 1>what John Bowie called the better class of people. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're on rare occasion, when there were too many glasses

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>in the merriment turned to harsh words, his other side

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>might emerge. He would not abide an insult. When enraged,

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.280
<v Speaker 1>James Bowie became entirely single minded in his determination to

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<v Speaker 1>vent his anger on a foe. What observers took for

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 1>fearlessness was as much an entire forgetfulness of his own

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.880
<v Speaker 1>safety in the grips of his fury. He soon acquired

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>a reputation as a man to both respect and fear.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an elegent way to put that. Like, Once he

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<v Speaker 1>got drunk and kissed him off. He would fight you

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>till he couldn't fight you anymore. Yeah, it's this thing

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>where like this is like this constant state of realization

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>as you like go over the stories of like frontier

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.199
<v Speaker 1>legends and wild West heroes and off that, like, oh,

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>if these people were around in twenty you would call

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>them violent drunks who commit murder when they get wasted.

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Like like in there, there's like he was a good

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>friend and a dangerous enemy, which just means that like

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>when he got drunk and he thought you had muttered

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 1>something about him, he would just start shooting, Like yeah,

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and that person a good friend and a dangerous enemy.

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>That shouldn't be the same person. Yeah, Yeah, he shouldn't

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>be your good friend and then in the same day

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 1>also be your worst enemy. That's not that's not a

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>good dude. Yeah, he got piste usually easily, especially when

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:44.120
<v Speaker 1>drinking um, which is it was more of a romantic

0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>thing back then that I think we tend to consider it.

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's fun. Yeah. We we didn't have terms

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>like violent alcoholic back then. Instead, you were, uh, you

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.959
<v Speaker 1>were just known as being rambunctious and a man to respect.

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Didn't fear like that's what you called the guy who

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>was really good with a gun and got drunken angry

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>too often. There's that guy that's gonna feel us. He's

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 1>so funny. He's so funny. I really respect his ability

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>to murder people when he's wasted. I like that we

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know what he's gonna do. Ever, that's my favorite

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>part about him. I like how unpredictable he is with

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that six gun he always carries. Yeah, and also how

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>how talented he is at using it. That part mixed

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>in with the unpredictable is awesome. It's so good. You

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>know what else, he's so good. I was gonna say,

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>you know what, also is unpredictable with a handgun? Sure,

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>let's go with that. The sponsors of this podcast. You

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>can never predict what they'll do with their guns. That's

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 1>how we've had all of our sponsors, is their unpredictability

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>with a firearm. We just throw one at them. See

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:06.479
<v Speaker 1>what happened. You can never predict it. Here's product. Al Right,

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>we are back and we're talking about Jim Booie. So

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>back during his brief time in the militia, Jim had

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>been in near contact with a guy named Dr. James Long,

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>a surgeon who had served in the Battle of New

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Orleans and was pretty well known by the excitable and

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>heavily armed men of Louisiana. In the summer of eighteen nineteen,

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Long began making plans to invade Texas. Uh. Now, then,

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>as in today, Texas was a violent and lawless wasteland.

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Mexico was ostensibly in charge, but they weren't great at

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.439
<v Speaker 1>being in charge, and the United States had only recently

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 1>yielded her claim over Texas in the Adams OWNUS Treaty.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>A lot of her being honest, Mexico was stealing in charges. Yeah,

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>large swaths of texts. Yeah, but they're not there again.

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>They're still not good at it. No one's really ever

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>been good at being in charge of Texas, which is

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>part of Yeah, it's a lot of Texas is charm

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of what makes Texas is such a

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>bad place to be. Um. So you think one person

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>is gonna tell all these dickads what to do? Okay, No, No,

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>they don't even listen to each other. They're now you

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna listen to you? Ye Oh that everyone voted? Okay, okay, yeah, Yeah,

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 1>it's just like people talk about Austin being the capital

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of Texas. The capital of Texas has always been whatever

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the most men with guns in a given part of

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Texas want the law to be. It's just how it works. Yeah,

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>um so yeah, yeah. A lot of southern white dudes

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 1>weren't happy that the US had kind of backed off

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>on attempting to take over Texas, and mainly this was

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to take over a bunch of Texas

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>for themselves because other parts of the Southeast were kind

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of filling up. Um So, this doctor James Long, started

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>putting together a crude militia of what you would either

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>call freedom fighters or violent extremists, depending on you know

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>their complexion and your complexion and how you feel about

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>complexions in general. Uh, and are about seventy five of

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>these guys, and their plan was to launch an expedition

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>through the territory and claim it for the United States.

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 1>They marched through Louisiana on their way over, and Jim

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Bowie could not resist the urge to get into a

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>series of gunfights and maybe also get rich, so he

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>signed up along the way. But wait, white, we're going where?

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Sure you need a violent guy. I'm a violent guy.

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm really bummed that I didn't get into more gunfights

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>when the war happened. I would love a chance to

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>do that again. I never shot over that one before.

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. So by the time Long reached Nakodoches, one

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of every one of the three or four towns in

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Texas that every Texan elementary student learns how to spell. Um,

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it was late June, and Long and his men declared

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>a new government and started proclaiming laws. Now, it was

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a general rule when white folks with guns in the

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere started announcing laws in this period of times,

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>one of two things would happen. One would be a

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>violent ship show, and two would be the United States

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of America. Unfortunately, that had already happened, and so this

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>turned into a violent ship show. Um yeah. So Long

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>knew that his three hundred men or so wouldn't be

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>much of a match for the entire Mexican army, so

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he attempted to draw more filibusters down by offering them

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>land at a dollar an acre, which was a pretty

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>good price. Uh. And so for a couple of months

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he succeeded in drawing in a few hundred guys who

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted very cheap land. Um And Jim Bowie was immediately

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the most popular of these filibusters, mainly because

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>he was really good at getting into gunfights, which happened

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty regularly during this period of time. Um And and

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the various fights that Jim got into around now would

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have been his first taste of Mortal Kombat. But it

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>was pretty obvious that Long was outmanned and outclassed by

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish authorities, and by October of night of eighteen nineteen,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>they'd driven him and his men out of Nakodoches. Within

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a month or so, the expedition was a shambles, and

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Jim Bowie fled back to Louisiana because he didn't really

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>want to get his ass kicked. So we got into

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of gunfights. He gets to have an adventure,

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really work out in the long run.

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I got fled out of magadish this one time. Yeah,

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a write of passage for every Texas Texans. So

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Jim Bowie was a trailblazer in that hammered and they're like,

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you need to leave down. I was like that, now

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>this would not be the last time that James Bowie

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>would try and fail to conquer Texas um. And thankfully

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>there were no consequences at this point for invading another

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>nation's sovereign territory and trying to take over a part

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>of it. Like he and and the other Filibusters just

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of went back to Louisiana and everything was fine

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, it's it's kind of like the Bundy's. Yeah, yeah,

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it is a little bit like that, yeah, with with

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>more gunfire than I heard, Yeah, with the Bundy's. So

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>or Jim would return home and kind of got together

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>with his brothers, John and Resin, and they all kind

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>of agreed that, uh, they were ready to make a whole,

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>big fucking pile of money. Um. And in those days,

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>as now, the best way to make a whole, big

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>fucking pile of money was to sell illegal and desirable products. UM. Now,

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>today that means cocaine. In nearly eighteen hundreds, it meant

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>enslaved human beings. Slavery was obviously a big business and

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a big part of the economy of the South, but

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>by eighteen nineteen, most American slaves had been born in

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>or around the United States. Because The federal government had

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>banned Americans from buying African slaves about a decade earlier,

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen o eight. Now, some of this had been

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>due to moral pressure to in the Atlantic slave trade. Um,

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>but it only happened because America's political leaders assumed that

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>existing slaves would breed enough to you know, settled demand.

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>But the massive growth of the plantation system in the

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>South in this period surprised people, and before long the

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>demand for slaves in the Old South far outstripped the supply.

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>This was obviously christ what that surprises, you know, But

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>just to hear it, yeah, I mean, there's no way

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it's weird, because like these are these are human beings

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>and we should always talk about this as the hime

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that it was. But also I think if you talk

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>about it, I think it actually it actually gets across

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>how horrible it was when we do use terms like

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>supply and demand and product, because that's how these people

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>viewed them. Um. Jim Booie was looking at like the

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>fact that, oh, you know, slaves aren't having enough babies

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to meet for the demands, so someone needs to bring

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in more people to enslave. Um. He was looking at

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it the same way that like today we're like, oh,

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>there's not enough toilet paper. We need to manufacture more

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.479
<v Speaker 1>toilet paper. That's how they thought about human beings who

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>were enslaved at this point in time. And that's the

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>more he thought about it, like, hey, there's not enough

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>prisoners in my prison too for the stockholders to make money. Yeah. Yeah,

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>he would have owned a private prison or at least

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>invested in one if he lived in the modern day,

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't, and so he got up to what

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I can only call like a slave trading con um. So, yeah,

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>this is a complicated business. So I I I have

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to explain some peculiar and some peculiarities of Louisiana law. First, so,

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>slaves smuggling was a big business um and because the

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>state was fundamentally racist, it had no desire to Like,

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the state didn't want people smuggling slaves, right, it had to.

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>It had to try to stop that. It had to erase,

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>arrest slave smugglers, and it had to confiscate the smuggled slaves.

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>But those smuggled slaves were still property. So when illicit

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>slave traders were caught bringing African slaves illegally into the

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>United States. Those slaves were not freed, and they sure

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>as ship weren't returned home. Instead, they were auctioned off

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>by the government for profit. This meant captured smuggled slaves

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>were super profitable for the government because if they you

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>captured a bunch of slaves, you just made a shipload

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>of money as the government. So the government had a

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>real interest and actually people telling them where contraband enslaved

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>human beings were, so they would pay a bounty on

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>people who could turn in contract like who could point out, like, hey,

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of contraband slaves here. Such helpful citizens

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 1>received a percentage of the sale price of the slaves

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>as a reward. Are you seeing how this could be

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the system could be gamed yet? I yeah? Yeah, So

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 1>all this brings me to the story of Jean Lafitte,

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a French pirate who spent half of his year robbing

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>and raping and stealing whole ships full of booty on

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.839
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish main and half of his year hanging out

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>in a fortified compound called Snake Island near Galveston, which

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.319
<v Speaker 1>is objectively cool. It is cool to be a pirate with. Yeah,

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>there's like a couple of things that you shouldn't have done,

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>but everything else sounds awesome. Yeah, Snake pirate with living

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>on Snake Island, that's cool as hell. Like, I mean,

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>it's awful that he's trading and enslaved human beings, but

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Snake Island, you know, yeah, yeah, so uh yeah. He

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>would sell stolen goods from his base in Snake Island,

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and throughout eighteen eighteen eighteen nineteen, Lafitte and his pirates

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>were particularly successful in stealing shiploads of enslaved people bound

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>for South America, and Lafitte's barracks on Snake Island soon

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>held more than six hundred of these people. Now, can

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I just make a terrible just like one of his

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>other projects, like scratching his head on the I like

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>this place used to be a lot more fun. Um

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like all he cares about his money. Now,

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>this is yeah, not what I had in mind when

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I signed up. It used to just be about the

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 1>pillaging exactly. So. Around this same time, Jim Bowie had

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>developed a bit of a reputation in this area um

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 1>as a a rough customer and and an exciting guy.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>He was a land speculator, but He also made cash

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>as a roper and a tamer of wild horses and

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>as an alligator writer, which what do you Understandly everyone

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>around this time was a rough character, so everyone else

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to be like that guy's fucking. The average person in

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>like the southeast Southwest in this period of time who

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>could make it to twenty would have just wiped the

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>floor with any given m M A fighter today, largely

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>because they would have immediately pulled a knife. Yeah, well,

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>he said, I thought this is a fight. I just

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.919
<v Speaker 1>stabbed him. That's how we fight. He did. He didn't

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>stab me back. I don't understand it. He was dumb.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>So Jim Billie was like really popular among like the

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>whole area around Snake Island because he was just this

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>this tough dude who would write alligators and ship who

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>tried to evade Texas. He was a cool seen as

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of a cool guy. So James, you know, his

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>popularity eventually brings him into conversation with Jean Lafitte, and

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the two became instant friends because they were both dangerous sociopaths,

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 1>And eventually the pirate let Jim in on a little secret.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>He had a shipload of slaves but a lot of

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>them were sick um and so he just couldn't sell

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>them um. And he wasn't allowed to legally sell any

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of them in the United States because they were all

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 1>from Africa. Now, at this point in time, a healthy

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 1>slave went for about a dollar a pound, which is

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 1>how Jean Lafitte sold human beings. But again the sick

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 1>ones were unsellable. So Booie came to visit the fit

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>on Snake Island and took a look at his inventory,

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and he returned from the trip, got together with these brothers,

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and together they launched a plan. So gen bow John Bowie,

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>who was part of this plan, would later write, quote,

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>we first purchased forty negroes from Lafitte at the rate

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>of one dollar per pound, or an average of a

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty dollars for each negro. We bought them

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>into the limits of the United States, delivered them to

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>a custom house officer, and became the informers ourselves. The

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>law gave the informer half the value of the negroes

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>which were put up and sold by the United States Marshal,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>and we became the purchasers of the negroes, took half

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>as our award for informing and obtained the marshal sale

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>for forty negroes, which entitled us to sell them within

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the United States. We continued to follow this business until

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>we made sixty five thousand dollars. So you see what

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the scam is here, Billy. They're buying slaves that are

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>illegal to bring into the United States um from their

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>pirate fringe, John Lafitte. And then they turned the slaves

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>into the government and say we caught these illegal slaves

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>being smuggled in and the reward the government gave them

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was half the value of the slaves. And then the

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 1>government would auction off the slaves and they would buy

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the slaves at auction and basically get subsidized for the

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>price of the slaves because they'd get, you know, half

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of the value of them um as a reward. And

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>then once they bought the slaves at auction, they would

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 1>be legal slaves in the United States and they could

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>go on and sell them to other people. And it

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>also worked because Lafitte a lot of his slaves were

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>elderly and old and sick um and so nobody was

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.959
<v Speaker 1>going to buy them from the pirate, but they would

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>buy the slaves, turn them into the United States and

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>get half of the value because they were valued by weight.

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>They'd still get money for these slaves that were actually

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>valueless slaves, and then the government would just be stuck

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>with them. So like, yeah, it was that. This was

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like the slavery con that that Jim Bowie made his

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>fortune in. Wow. Yeah, it's it's like Robin drug dealers,

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>but worse because there's not because you're still a terrible person. Yeah,

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's I don't even really have a word for it,

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 1>but like, slavery is one of the worst things a

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>human being can do, but in this time, it was illegal,

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and so they found out found a way to take

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.839
<v Speaker 1>this horrible legal thing and also break the law while

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>doing it. Like it's yeah, we're doing slavery, but shady.

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah what is that? How did you do that? It's

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a gift? Now, Billy? You know who won't illegally commit

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>tax fraud by sneakily importing slaves in and then turning

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>them into the customs officers in in order to take

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>advantage in a loophole in the law. You know who

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>won't do that? Billy? I don't want to guess the

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>ducks and services that support this podcast. So we're back. Um. So,

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the Bowie Boys spent months engaging in this business of

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>buying slaves from a pirate, taking them into the United States,

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>smuggling them in, and then turning them into the government.

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>And true to form, Jim Bowie had the most personally

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 1>violent task of the whole enterprise. And I'm gonna quote

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 1>now from William C. Davis's book Three Roads to the Alamo.

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Quote James himself did the most dangerous work of conveying

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the contrabands through the swamps and bayous, bringing them in

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 1>lots of forty at a time as many as one

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>or two men could handle. Although the blacks were chained,

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Bowie found little need for fetters. The frightened Africans knew

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>nothing of the country and had nowhere to go. While

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>they were told enough of alligators, snakes, and hostile natives

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>to know to know that safety, if not happiness, lay

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>with the Bowie's. On one trip, a few slaves may

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>have escaped, not to be found again. But for the

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 1>rest James Bowie felt secure that they would not run.

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 1>He even told the feet on one of his visits

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to Campeache that he rarely lost a slave because he

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>was our and he knew they feared him, and stilling

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>fear in others was something James Bowie did with ease.

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like, not with ease, like with pride. He's right, yeah, yeah,

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, I have this gift, then I'll kill you. Yeah.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm really good at scaring chained up people with a

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>gun as I lead them through unfamiliar territory because they

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>look at me and without question, they know that I

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>will murder that. Yeah. I don't give a ship. It

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>means nothing to me. It's like, yeah, people, people tell

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>me it's a gift, but I issues who I am now.

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>James was very much taken with the slave smuggling business.

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>He saw it as an easy way to make outsized

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>profits while committing what he considered to be a victimless crime.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>The state made money, the pirate made money, and he

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>made money. No one got harmed, not one human being

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>got harm. Yeah. Yeah. Now, one thing Jim Bowie was

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>capable of doing was nursing a deep and abiding love

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>for knives. Obviously, Bowie is most famous for the enormous

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>blade that bears his name, which we'll be talking about

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>in detail here. Yep, the old gym knife. Yep, you

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 1>know the old saying, you got a gym on your hip,

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>never go hiking without a gym. Yeah. So, and I

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>have to confess here that my bowie knives are my

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.959
<v Speaker 1>favorite kind of knife. I love. There's nothing like having

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking pound and a half knife on your

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.720
<v Speaker 1>hip and just really fucking up a piece of wood

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>or a severed skull of a cow. Whatever you gotta

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>funk up with a knife when you're hiking around in

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere. A bowie knife can do it.

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>And and I feel it's a shame that these solid

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>knives have gotten tarnished by the name of this slave

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.479
<v Speaker 1>owning monster. And this is the story of why. Because

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>he did not invent the knife. Yeah, but I feel

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>like he probably did it justice he did. He did,

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>And we're going to talk about why his knife got

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>famous here. So the knife was initially the knife that

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.439
<v Speaker 1>he got famous for was initially a gift from his brother.

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Probably you'll hear a couple of different stories about how

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>he got his the first bowie knife from a couple

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>of different people, and it's not really important to get

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>into each of the different stories and detail. Um, but

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the the details we can synthesize that they kind of

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 1>all have in common. Boiled down to Jim Bowie received

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>a really fucking big knife, either as a gift or

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>as a purchased he like commissioned himself from a blacksmith,

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was made by a local Louisiana blacksmith to

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.320
<v Speaker 1>be significantly larger and heavier than most hunting knives of

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the arrow were. So he just gets an unusually large knife.

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.839
<v Speaker 1>Either his brother hasn't made for him, or he pays

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a guy to make it, but he winds up with

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>his huge funk off knife. Um. Now it is a

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>hobbit sword. Yeah. And his brother John would later claim

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.879
<v Speaker 1>that he bought the knife for Jim. And and John

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>had significant financial motivation to making this claim because the

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Bowie family got rich off of the fact that their

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 1>name was attached to a famous kind of knife. Um.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>And John also had a vested interest in making it

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>seem as if his brother was like a knife wielding prodigy,

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like an artist with a blade. Um, and the reality

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>is very different from that. Um Now. J Frank Adbe

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a historian who studied Bowie and produced a pretty fair

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>biography of him in nineteen fifty seven noted big Jim

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Bowie and conveying smuggled slaves, armed himself with three or

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 1>four knives that he could transfix any captive who tried

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to break away. Jerking a knife out was easier than

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>reloading a horse pistol at the muzzle. Both Jim and

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Resident could keep several knives moving in the air at

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the same time without allowing one to touch the ground.

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>At twenty paces. Either could send a knife clean through

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a small wooden target. So that's probably untrue, but these

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:41.879
<v Speaker 1>are the kind of stories people started to tell about

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Jim Bowie that he was like, yeah, like a master

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of the blade. And the reason that he got this

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 1>reputation for being an artist with a knife is because

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.879
<v Speaker 1>of something that happened in eighteen seven, the infamous Sandbar fight.

0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's amazing to me because a lot of people

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 1>get stabbed to death and fights even today, and nobody

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>cares about those fights, and they're kind of written down

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>as like the result of thugs and criminals, um just

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>having access to knives. Uh, But when a bunch of

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>white dudes stab each other to death, this is what happens.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Um well, on a sandbar. Yeah, on a sandbar. So

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it's good to know that people have always been doing

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>nonsense on sandbars in the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah. Yeah,

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and this sandbar, we'll talk about the sandbar. So Jim

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>spent most of the eighteen twenties engaging in a series

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of land cons in Arkansas. Um And basically he had

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>committed dozens of acts of fraud and basically sold people

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>land and to this day in Arkansas business business. Yeah,

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.879
<v Speaker 1>he would sell people land that he didn't have any

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>right to and then take their money and funk off.

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 1>This is not too mad at that he did that

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>for decade. It's like, is a general rule if you're

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>wondering what Jim Bowie was doing during a period of

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 1>his life where we don't have a lot of detail,

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he was scamming people into buying land he didn't known. Um.

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So he did this a bunch of Arkansas and it

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>piste off a lot of people. Um And he also

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>like the only way he was able to get away

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>with it is that he relied heavily on banks to

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 1>lend him the credit to do land speculation. UM. And

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>at one point in the late eighteen twenties, he was

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>infuriated to find that the sheriff of a nearby parish

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>had basically put in a bad word against him and

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>stopped the bank from giving him a loan that he

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.919
<v Speaker 1>needed to continue his cons um So he got into

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.439
<v Speaker 1>an argument with the person who'd put with that sheriff,

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and they got into a fight on the street, and

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff, a guy named Norris Wright, shot at Jim

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Bowie and only failed to kill him because the bullet

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>hit a silver dollar in Bowie's pocket. Jim fired back,

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>but his pistol misfired, and so he charged Norris Right

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>to try to beat him to death with his bare hands,

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>but his friends intervened and stopped the whole thing from

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>ending in murder, and that really pissed Jim off, and

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>he prom after that point that he would never be

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>caught without an enormous knife on his body, so that

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>if that happened again and his gun misfired, he could

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>just stab a guide to death, and maybe stab his

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>friends to death for trying to stop him from stabbing

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 1>a guided death, because those aren't his friends anymore. Yeah, yeah,

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it did not take long for Jim Bowie

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to find an occasion to use his giant funk Off

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>knife to stab a man. So the sand Bar Fight

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is really romanticized in Texas history, although it didn't happen

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in Texas, but it involves Jim Bowie, and so we

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.800
<v Speaker 1>all learned about it. And the short of it is

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.280
<v Speaker 1>that Bowie wound up on one side of a formal

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>duel which was held on a sand bar between Louisiana

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and Mississippi. Dueling was actually illegal in both states, and

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>because the sand bar wasn't really in either state, was

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 1>a popular place for men to get together with their

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>friends and try to murder other men. And they later

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 1>used that same bluephole for gambling. Yes, yeah, it's the

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>same basic idea. Now, one of the fun things about

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the Sandbar Duel is that no one really has a

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 1>good explanation as to why it started. There were two

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>different camps um one camp was focused around two brothers

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>named Wells and their friends, including Jim Bowie and the others.

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>On the other side was a guy named Robert Crane,

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>a doctor named Thomas Maddox, and Bowie's old enemy Norris. Right. Now,

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>all of these people had beef with each other for

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of reasons, ranging from business disputes to allegations

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of voter fraud, and mainly they just didn't like each other.

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 1>William C. Davis writes that quote, chances were that by

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>late summer of eighteen seven, none of them knew the

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>true origins of their feud. So it's just a bunch

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of men who hate each other. And they agree to

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>meet up at the sandbar. Will it's okay to try

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to murder each other, to try to murder each other. Um,

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 1>So they meet up there in the summer of eighteen seven.

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Against any of this at this point, No, No, it

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>sounds like everyone's willing to meet at the sandbar. So, well,

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be on the bank and I'm gonna watch.

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.879
<v Speaker 1>This is the only victimless crime that we've run into.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>So again, two gives a ship and these are all

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>probably monsters, like these are all slave owners, all pieces.

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Yeah, So all these guys meet up

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 1>at the sandbar and they exchange insults, and they waved

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.720
<v Speaker 1>guns at each other in the nearby city of Alexandria

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>first and like, so they all meet in the city

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>near the sand bar first, and they like wave guns

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and yell at each other, and it's kind of like

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a pro wrestling thing, right, Like they all they all

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>get everyone around them fired up. And so the citizens

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in Alexandria like realized, oh, there's a feud got to

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>be happening. And so like when these guys meet up

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 1>at the sands, yeah, that's exactly what this is. This

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.319
<v Speaker 1>is a fucking w w E match. And so when

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.479
<v Speaker 1>they meet up at the sandbar, like hundreds of people

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>surround the sandbar to watch this like fight start. It

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was very very silly. Um is kind of the the

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in summary of what happens. So eventually, on July, like

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the two kind of ringleaders of both groups, uh Norris

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Right and a guy named Hall, agree to have a

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>gunfight the sandbar, and two people show up to observe

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the fight. Yeah yeah, yeah, um, But Norris Wright doesn't

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>show up for the fight. Instead, he gathers a heavily

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>armed posse and shows up near the site of the

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>duel and like sends a representative in to say, like,

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready to fight yet, but we're gonna have

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a big fight in September. That's when we're gonna do

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 1>it September. It's like a fucking I can't get over

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 1>how much like the fucking w W E this is? Um. Yeah,

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 1>So everybody kind of waits until the fall and then

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the alright, alright, okay, so we all come back in

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the fall. Yeah, So the aggrieved parties, I'll gather back

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 1>at the sand bar in September nine seven to try

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.720
<v Speaker 1>to murder each other for reasons which again are completely unclear.

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 1>It's very boredom seems to be the main driver in

0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:00.120
<v Speaker 1>all this. Now, officially the duel was between well and

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Maddox this time, UM, and everyone else was seconds, including

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Jim Booie. But there was so much hatred between all

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the different men on both sides that the organizers of

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the duel started to worry it might turn into a gigantic,

0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 1>bloody fight, and to avoid that, they limited each side

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to bringing three men onto the sandbar. So Wells and

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Maddox face off at ten paces, and because Wells was

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>nearly blind, they had to be extra close. But it

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't matter if they were extra close. They're both terrible shots,

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and they both miss at fucking ten feet away. Um.

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And so the duel ends, and nobody's hurt, and both

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>men shake hands, and Wells and Maddox are actually like

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.479
<v Speaker 1>fine with this, They're like, now we can be friends again.

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>We tried to shoot each other, nobody died. This is

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 1>great and so kind of like at the end of

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 1>when a fucking children's best baseball team finishes a game,

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like both sides convened together to shake hands, and this

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.880
<v Speaker 1>is where things go awry because the other friends who

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>hadn't shot at each other are still really pissed, and

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 1>they start in holding each other, and an argument sparks up.

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>And if we don't know exactly what happens, there's different stories.

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 1>One of them is that uh one of the doctor

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Maddox pulls out his gun and tries to shoot

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 1>another guy and accidentally shoots Jim Bowie in the leg

0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Um three Roads. The Alamo claims that the fight started

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>with when Jim Bowie and another man named Crane both

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 1>drew their guns and everyone else tried to calm them down,

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and then Crane shot at Bowie and missed him, and

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:28.360
<v Speaker 1>then Bowie fired back and missed Crane, and then Crane

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>drew his second pistol and fired again and missed again

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>but hit one of Bowie's friends in the leg and

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>severed an artery. And then Crane realized he fucked up,

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and he ran like hell away, and so Jim Bowie

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 1>drew his second pistol and fired while Crane was running,

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and he missed again. Because none of these guys are

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>good at I have to. I can't. I have to.

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't over emphasize how bad guns are in this

0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>period of time. Like these men are all firing multiple

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 1>shots from tin foot distance and they can't fucking hit.

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.439
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm gonna say. It's like it's I don't

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 1>think it's like a marksman problem. It's like a it's

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a main manufacturing issue. No, they're metal tubes with explosives

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and a ball in them. Like guns are so shitty

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 1>at this point in time. And yeah, none of these

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>people can hit for ship. So Bowie misses with his

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>second shot, and at this point he makes the wise

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 1>decision to stop relying on his guns and go with

0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>an idiot proof killing tool, the gigantic funk Off knife

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that he had strapped to his hip. So, roaring like

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.800
<v Speaker 1>a madman, he draws the knife and he like charges

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.839
<v Speaker 1>into the crowd of his adversaries because the guy who

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 1>shot him like ran back to his friends and Bowie

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>just rushes towards them wielding what is essentially a small sword.

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 1>The survivors describe him as seeming like a tiger as

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he shouted out, Crane, you have shot at me, and

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I will kill you if I can, so proper, pretty proper.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>So Crane panics and he only he doesn't have a

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>loaded gun, but he has an empty gun and it

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 1>weighs like ten pounds because guns are big back then.

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 1>So he throws it at Bowie's Bowie's charging and he

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 1>hits him in the head and like seriously injures him

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's again a heavy piece of metal that he's

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.359
<v Speaker 1>hitting this guy in the face with. This is if

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:16.399
<v Speaker 1>we wrote this kick us out of the network, get

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.320
<v Speaker 1>out here. This is famous for being one of the

0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>most badass fights of the Old West. And it reads

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking Binnie Hill skin. So he probably gives

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Bowie a concussion from this, Like nobody concussions weren't the

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>thing back then. But he like he just based on

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the reports he would like this fox Bowie up getting

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.919
<v Speaker 1>hit in the head with this gun like really hurts. Him. Um. Yeah,

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So he falls down to his knees as a result

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of getting hit in the face with this gun. And

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 1>then Maddox, one of the duellists, the doctor who by

0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>some accounts had accidentally started the fight by accidentally shooting Bowie,

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 1>but who knows. Dr Maddox charges Bowie like just to

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 1>like fist fight him, and Bowie throws him away like

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 1>just because tosses him and so then Crane and their

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.719
<v Speaker 1>other friend, Norris Wright, who is the guy who had

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.800
<v Speaker 1>had a gunfight with Bowie months ago, charge in to

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>try to deal with Bowie, and Right draws another pistol

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and aims at at Bowie, who yells back at him,

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>you damned rascal. Don't you shoot. Don't you dare shoot me,

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 1>you rascal, You damned rascal. Yeah, he swore. Norris Wright

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 1>like stands there with a gun pointed at Bowie and

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the two shout at each other for a while until

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.839
<v Speaker 1>one of Bowie's friends runs up and hands Jim a gun,

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and both men fire at each other at point blank range,

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and of course both miss. Again. Yeah, that's so bad

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:50.320
<v Speaker 1>at shooting each other. So Right pulls his second pistol

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and Bowie yells at him to shoot and be damned,

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and Right shoots again, and of course he misses a

0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 1>second time. Now at this point, one of the few

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:07.360
<v Speaker 1>not dangerously unhinged men present, a guy named Denny, runs

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 1>up in between Bowie and Wright and pleads with Bowie,

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 1>this must be stopped, sir, this must be stopped. He's

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just like, please, for the love of God, stop fighting.

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And he puts a hand on Bowie's chest just as

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Right draws a third pistol and fires again and hits.

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 1>So he finally did hit somebody. Um So the ball

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 1>passes through directly through Denny's hand in it into Jim

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Bowie's lung, and with a concussion and a bullet in

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 1>their lung, most men probably would have stopped fighting. But

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 1>as one of Jim Bowie's friends later noted, if there

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.919
<v Speaker 1>ever lived a man who never felt the sensation of fear,

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>it was James Bowie. It was his habit to settle

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 1>all difficulties without regard to time or place, and this

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it was the same whether he met one or many enemies.

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 1>So Jim Bowie, bullet and his lung and a fucking

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.880
<v Speaker 1>concussion charges Norris Right, waving a gigantic knife. He got

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.279
<v Speaker 1>about fifteen feet when two of Wright's friends arrived with

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.439
<v Speaker 1>fresh guns and opened fire. One bullet hit Jim Bowie

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in the thigh and took him down again. Now Right

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 1>had been running away from the madman with the sword,

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 1>but as soon as Bowie dropped Norris Wright whipped out

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a sword cane and charged him again. Now the guy

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 1>who shot Bowie in the thigh also pulled out a

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>sword cane, and the two just start stabbing Jim Bowie

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to death a bunch. So the next moment in this

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 1>fight is the one that would earn the name Bowie

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Knife a proud place in the long history of human

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>fighting implements. Shot through the lung and the thigh, probably

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>can coast and repeatedly stabbed with sword canes canes, Bowie

0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>draws his giant knife again and fights off both men's

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>sword canes, parrying their jabs with his mighty dagger. He

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>gashed both of them repeatedly on the hands in the arms.

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 1>In response, they stab him through the hands and the wrist.

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote now from William C. David, his book

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.720
<v Speaker 1>on how the fight ended. Quote Bowie got himself up

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to a sitting position. Then in one lunge, he reached

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>up to grab Norris Right by the collar and his

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 1>right tried to straighten himself, he inadvertently helped raise Bowie

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to a near standing position. As Bowie later told the

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>story to Reson in Their Friend, he said in Wright's ear, now, Major,

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 1>you die with a single savage thrust. He drove the

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:23.240
<v Speaker 1>knife through Right's chest, boasting afterwards that he twisted it

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to cut his heart strings. Ah, well he's not, he's not.

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 1>That's not how that works. But yeah, he guts him

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is how most people related. Is he just he pulls

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:36.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy down while being stabbed and just opens his

0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>belly with his gigantic sword knife, and yeah, it kills

0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the ship out of him. Yeah. So Jim Bowie passes

0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 1>out immediately after stabbing Norris Right to death, and the

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:51.520
<v Speaker 1>attending physician who observed him after this found a gash

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 1>on his forehead, seven stab wounds, and two bullet wounds.

0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>They all kind of assumed he was going to die

0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of his injuries, but he didn't, and over the next

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>two months, Jimbowie gradually recovered from his many injuries. Meanwhile,

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the story of how he stabbed a dude to death

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>became national news. So most duels were all like regional stories, um,

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't a common people to die in them.

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 1>But the Sandbar fight became legend for one reason. Jim

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Bowie Davis writes that in typical frontier fights quote, the

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 1>real fighters risked themselves only when they seem to have

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the advantage and happily ran to cover otherwise. But Booie,

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 1>impelled by the rage that blinded him to fear or

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 1>self protection, stood his ground and simply kept fighting. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the sort of thing that turned brutal, pointless brawling

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<v Speaker 1>into legend. Yeah he does, because yeah, you're not human anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's totally human to like stand in front of another

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<v Speaker 1>guy and you both shoot at each other and one

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<v Speaker 1>of you dies, and when he doesn't what Bowie does, Like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he because he's like a fucking superhero, because he does

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<v Speaker 1>he survives this, and because he goes so fucking far

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<v Speaker 1>beyond what any rational person would do in the era.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's also probably he's not the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>like afterwards, while he's like healing, he's also enough the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy I was, like, I got carried away. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just like, yeah, come at me again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you out. And that's exactly what happens. So newspapers write

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<v Speaker 1>huge spreads about the Sandbar Fight, and of course they

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<v Speaker 1>exaggerate everything that happens in it, and people are in

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<v Speaker 1>Americas start talking about Jim Booie, and Booie's canny enough

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<v Speaker 1>to lean into the legend. So he spent weeks bedridden

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<v Speaker 1>like from gunshot wounds, but he would invite reporters and

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to him, and he would tell all of

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<v Speaker 1>them the story of the fight. And he would always

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<v Speaker 1>have his knife strapped to his chest while he was

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<v Speaker 1>in his sick bed so he could show it off

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<v Speaker 1>to reporters and the steady stream of well wishers who

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<v Speaker 1>came by to talk to him. Um. So the bowie

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<v Speaker 1>knife becomes incredibly famous as a result of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly like every guy who feels who wants to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a badass, has to have a bowie knife. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found a fun right up on sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the spread of the Booeye knife in the wake of this,

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<v Speaker 1>by a site called the History Bandits, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good job of tracing how Jim and all

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<v Speaker 1>of his brothers capitalized on the fame of the family

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<v Speaker 1>knife quote. The Bowie family quickly made efforts to actively

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<v Speaker 1>link the Bowie name with the famous knife's design and quality.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowie's older brother, Resin, who would have allegedly given Jim

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<v Speaker 1>his blade before the Sandbar incident, began promoting similar knives,

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<v Speaker 1>which he advertised more trustworthy in the hands of a

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<v Speaker 1>strong man than a pistol, which, given the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone missed at the duel, is not necessarily inaccurate at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of it. Yeah Yeah. Within months of the incident,

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Bowie was forever linked with the large,

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<v Speaker 1>hilted knives of the southern back country. As the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Jim Bowie's feats with his knife spread, blacksmiths across

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<v Speaker 1>the country began to receive requests from customers to make

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<v Speaker 1>them a knife like Bowie's. As far afield as England,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bowie knife became a novelty in knife shops, and

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<v Speaker 1>easterners of the United States purchase Booie knives is a

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of the frontier. Even backwoodsman who were used to

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<v Speaker 1>such knives adopted the new terminology of the eighteen thirties

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<v Speaker 1>and requested buoy knives. It's by name, It's Smithy's from St.

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<v Speaker 1>Louis to the Mexican border. The Red Rible, The Red

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<v Speaker 1>River Herald of Necatochez, Louisiana, claimed that, with hyperbole, that

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<v Speaker 1>all the steel in the country, it seemed, had immediately

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<v Speaker 1>been converted into Booie knives. By eighteen thirty, the Booie

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<v Speaker 1>knife became a staple at forgeries across the American continent.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's cool. Yeah, it's just it's yeah, it's reassuring

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<v Speaker 1>that America has always kind of been like this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun. The right up I found on this actually

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<v Speaker 1>compares the Booie Brothers in particular to Bear Grills Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because Bear Girls has like an incredibly popular series of

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<v Speaker 1>knives UM made just based off the fact that he's

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<v Speaker 1>good at being in the woods and has been on

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<v Speaker 1>camera like using you know, camping knives and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>like the knife companies like Gerber like, hey, what if

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<v Speaker 1>we made a knife and stick your name on it,

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<v Speaker 1>And sure enough, now they're incredibly pop You can find

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<v Speaker 1>them in any outdoorsman story and they're not bad knives. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the hill very much, but whatever, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>so in the Booie Like, what I find interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>this right up is that they kind of say make

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<v Speaker 1>the point that, like the Bowie family is the first,

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<v Speaker 1>the first in that line. Like they do basically what

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Gruels has done. They create a brand with their

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<v Speaker 1>family name for giant fuck off knives. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>neat the duck dudes too, Yeah, like Duck dynasty. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like the very first time that happened in American history, right,

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<v Speaker 1>The Bowie family definitely has some powerful Duck dynasty energy

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Well, it's the same area, yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is the same area. They might in fact be related. Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of people down there because they

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<v Speaker 1>get killing each other. Yeah. So yeah, Jim Bowie, slave trader,

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<v Speaker 1>land con artist, and guy who stabbed a person to

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<v Speaker 1>death becomes a celebrity mainly for stabbing a person to death.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh yeah, we'll talk about what comes next and

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<v Speaker 1>how he gets to the Alamo in part two. But

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Billy, it's time for you to celebrate your

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<v Speaker 1>own knife. What would a Billy knife be, Billy, it

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<v Speaker 1>would probably just be like a form of the kukrie.

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<v Speaker 1>You would want it to be a cookery kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I really I'm enjoying the cookery. I like

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot. Yeah, cookeries are nice. I enjoy the uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy the the feel of a kukery. If I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to have a Robert knife, I would want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be I wanted to be a knife that's

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<v Speaker 1>too large to be wielded. I would like it to

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<v Speaker 1>be like a hunting knife, but one that has to

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<v Speaker 1>actually be mounted to the bed of a truck. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know how they have technicals in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>with machine guns in the back. I want that, but

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<v Speaker 1>with a knife that you have to like drive at

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<v Speaker 1>a target you want to stab it. You just want

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<v Speaker 1>a bayonet for a Humby, Yeah, I want a bayonet

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm more like a bayonet for an eighteen wheeler.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, that would be. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like a Robert knife to be a knife that requires

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<v Speaker 1>as much steel as a small skyscraper. That would be.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be the legacy I'd like to have. If

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<v Speaker 1>they ever give us the TV show, we could make

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<v Speaker 1>that happen. We could make that happen. All right, Well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want me to uh get my own branded knife,

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<v Speaker 1>uh find bear girls on Twitter and send him pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>send him your favorite Simpsons screen grab. Let's make it

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<v Speaker 1>confusing for old bear. Um. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>find us on the internet, you can find us at

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the Bastards dot com. Uh, you can find t

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<v Speaker 1>shirts on t public. And I have a podcast called

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<v Speaker 1>The Women's War that is about Rojava and uh does

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<v Speaker 1>include a little bit about knives. So there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an optimistic podcast. It is optimistic. Also optimistic is

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<v Speaker 1>my co host today, Mr Billy Wayne Davis. Billy, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell the people where they can find you? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I at Billy Wayne Davis on Twitter and Instagraham. If

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<v Speaker 1>I ever start touring again, we're allowed to bet bd

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<v Speaker 1>tour dot com. And then I have a podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>the people that make up cannabis communities and it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Grown Local. In season one is based in Eugene, or

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of both the marijuana industry and Eugene, Oregon. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people getting stabbed to death with large knives.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely lots of that, not in your podcast, necessarily, just

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<v Speaker 1>in the industry and in Eugene, Oregon. Yeah, and probably

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<v Speaker 1>not even related, no no, no, I mean yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode done