Speaker 1: Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. Here before we launch our next
Speaker 1: season of Here's the Thing at iHeartRadio in January, I
Speaker 1: thought i'd play some of my favorite shows from the archives.
Speaker 1: Next up is my interview with musician David Crosby. Crosby
Speaker 1: is a founding member of Crosby Stills in Nash and
Speaker 1: in adding the Why that is Neil Young created one
Speaker 1: of the greatest quartets in music history. Here's my interview
Speaker 1: with the late David Crosby.
Speaker 2: And here before here before.
Speaker 3: As you know, it makes me wonder.
Speaker 1: What's going on c SN and sometimes why. Some combination
Speaker 1: of David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash played together
Speaker 1: for fifty years until twenty sixteen, but always Crosby. He's
Speaker 1: the constant in some of the greatest songs of the
Speaker 1: twentieth century. His composition, harmonizing and non traditional guitar tunings
Speaker 1: helped create the sound of the sixties and seventies. It's
Speaker 1: a sound he honed with his first big act, The Birds,
Speaker 1: turning counterculture anthems like Dylan's Tambourine Man into mainstream hits.
Speaker 1: David Crosby is famous too for his addiction to cocaine
Speaker 1: and heroin in the nineteen eighties. It almost killed him.
Speaker 1: But even in his darkest moments, Crosbie always had people
Speaker 1: pulling him up, even some of the biggest stars of
Speaker 1: the era.
Speaker 4: All Right, I'm in the middle of my lowest point
Speaker 4: of being a complete waste roll on hard drugs. Right,
Speaker 4: it's a bitch. My phone rings Crosby. Yeah, who's this?
Speaker 4: It's Townsen. I said, bullshit. He says, no, it's Townsen. Listen,
Speaker 4: get off that stuff. Get the off that stuff. I
Speaker 4: have to watch the four letter words, right, you can
Speaker 4: let it rip. Heirs really good podcasting, and so he says,
Speaker 4: you know you fucking get your shit, fucking getta you're
Speaker 4: fucking up. Quit that shit in my face. Really seriously,
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck came my number? I
Speaker 4: still haven't deciphered how this all happened. Lord made him
Speaker 4: think it would work. Everybody else had failed. Somebody put
Speaker 4: him up to it. I'm not sure did it work? No? No,
Speaker 4: what worked was they sent me to prison in Texas
Speaker 4: for a year.
Speaker 1: Right, that worked? So that's what That was a turning
Speaker 1: point for you. Yeah, it got me sober and you
Speaker 1: were largely or you were completely sober since then, I.
Speaker 4: Was completely sober for fourteen and a half years.
Speaker 1: What happened with to prison? What year eighty four? And
Speaker 1: you were how old? Forties? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was born in forty one and I was deeply addicted.
Speaker 4: And the only and I already tried in you know
Speaker 4: rehab places, I think four or five times failed. So
Speaker 4: the prison did it? You know, junk and freebase. That
Speaker 4: that's a prison you carry around with you. You don't
Speaker 4: get to get out prison. You get to get out,
Speaker 4: and I don't regret.
Speaker 1: It a bit. How were you treated by the inmate
Speaker 1: population when you were in prison? Were they kind to you?
Speaker 1: Did they dig you and admire you? A full range
Speaker 1: went all the way from uh.
Speaker 4: I like your music man to uh hey, rock star?
Speaker 4: How you doing now? Bet you wish you had some drugs,
Speaker 4: don't you?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 4: Warn look over here rockstar throwing up a gia some
Speaker 4: bitch oh Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And they didn't give me an aspir They didn't even
Speaker 4: have AA meetings in the prisons, in fact, nothing.
Speaker 1: You had no help at all. You crawled out of there.
Speaker 1: It was bitter. It was bitter, but I woke up
Speaker 1: when you get out of prison. What do you do well? Like?
Speaker 1: Like who comes around? You do if people come to
Speaker 1: you and say, let's get back to work, or what's
Speaker 1: stuff like?
Speaker 4: As soon as I woke up, I started writing again.
Speaker 4: I'm a hugely lucky human being.
Speaker 1: Man. I have a raison.
Speaker 4: Here's a fact about writing and creating and drugs. The
Speaker 4: more drugs I did, the less I wrote. And you
Speaker 4: can plot the two curves crossed at a certain point,
Speaker 4: you know, And I just kept the more drugs identically
Speaker 4: stopped writing. And then about two years went by, and
Speaker 4: then I woke up in prison, remembered who I was,
Speaker 4: and started writing again. And since then it's been a
Speaker 4: steady increase and a steady increase in quality.
Speaker 1: So I can only draw one conclusion. Now this is
Speaker 1: going to sound strange, but you come from a nice family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were comforted when I got to go to
Speaker 4: good schools. I had a red juncle. My dad was
Speaker 4: a cinematographer and a very good one. Not a warm
Speaker 4: and fuzzy guy, but technically excellent. So yeah, I thought
Speaker 4: I wanted to be an actor. You know what's really funny, man,
Speaker 4: Most of the actors I know want to be musicians
Speaker 4: and all the musicians.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be actors, right because no matter
Speaker 1: what you're doing, you can be doing anything, and music
Speaker 1: can be in your life, and therefore music will always
Speaker 1: have a more powerful place in the lives of people
Speaker 1: than any film or TV.
Speaker 4: Any debatable, but I think you get to a lot
Speaker 4: of evidence on your side there music. The way I
Speaker 4: look at it, music all art can be and usually
Speaker 4: is a lifting force. Just as war drags humanity down
Speaker 4: and brings out the very worst in US, so music
Speaker 4: and art lift. They're lifting force. They make things better.
Speaker 4: And so I kind of think, I kind of think
Speaker 4: I'm probably the luckiest guy in the world. I think
Speaker 4: I've got probably one of the best jobs. I try
Speaker 4: to acting. I'm not really good at it, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know why you'd want to act. If I could
Speaker 1: do what you do, you could never you couldn't get
Speaker 1: me off stage with a gun. I just would play
Speaker 1: music if I could do what you do. It's fun.
Speaker 1: When I went to go see the Beatles Love, I
Speaker 1: go to Vegas to go to see the circuslay the
Speaker 1: Beatles Love, And what kits you in the beginning other
Speaker 1: than the really kind of groovy meshing of the songs
Speaker 1: and the kind of overdub and they did was the
Speaker 1: idea of that all of them were born during the war,
Speaker 1: all war babies in London, they were, and you talk
Speaker 1: and talk in the opening of the show kind of
Speaker 1: tips how that affected them and how they affected their
Speaker 1: lives and how they viewed their country and so forth.
Speaker 1: You're a war baby, you were born during the war
Speaker 1: forty one, right, What was life like when you were
Speaker 1: a kid.
Speaker 4: I remember my dad. I remember watching my dad at
Speaker 4: a distance at you know where Burbank Airport is used
Speaker 4: to be, Douglas Field. I remember my dad climbing into
Speaker 4: the belly of a B twenty four and flying away
Speaker 4: to the war. I remember watching he went, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: he was. They commissioned directly into what was then the
Speaker 4: Army Air Corps because he had this he was already
Speaker 4: an Academy Award running.
Speaker 1: You know, cinema photographer.
Speaker 4: So they put him right in the Air Corps and
Speaker 4: put him in this B twenty four that didn't that
Speaker 4: was a camera plane, that's all it was. And he
Speaker 4: went all over the world. He went every sh he had,
Speaker 4: every theater reb there was.
Speaker 1: It was gone for how long five years.
Speaker 4: Well, because he wasn't a bombing thing. You know, he
Speaker 4: had to follow the bombers, but he wasn't bombing, so
Speaker 4: he didn't get thirty five and out. He kept going
Speaker 4: five years, every major theater of the war. And when
Speaker 4: he came back.
Speaker 1: What was he like? You wouldn't ever talk about it.
Speaker 1: So life at home when you were a child is
Speaker 1: with your mother?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: At first, yeah, and then both of them. But my
Speaker 4: dad just wasn't a real homebody, family guy.
Speaker 1: He was off working. Yeah. And you go to boarding
Speaker 1: school I did? Yeah, Kate, what was that like?
Speaker 4: Huh?
Speaker 1: What were you like? Were you always mischievous? Always?
Speaker 4: And it got me in a shitload of trouble.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's definitely true. I got thrown
Speaker 4: out of almost every school I was ever in, including Kate.
Speaker 1: What was music in your life? Then?
Speaker 4: Music came early and well, my mom sang in choirs.
Speaker 4: My dad liked music. He could play a mantle in.
Speaker 4: My brother played guitar. We used to interesting thing when
Speaker 4: we were growing up in the fifties, when TV started
Speaker 4: to really happen. We didn't have a TV, so we
Speaker 4: sang folk songs out of the Fireside Book of Folk Songs,
Speaker 4: and that was where it started.
Speaker 1: Did anybody tell you then you could sing? Did they
Speaker 1: say you're a good singer?
Speaker 4: They did notice that I was singing harmony when I
Speaker 4: was six.
Speaker 1: And what's the first instrument you played? Guitar? My brother
Speaker 1: turned me on the guitar when you were how old?
Speaker 1: I guess maybe ten. What's the best time you think that.
Speaker 1: My son is two and a half years, it's going
Speaker 1: to be three in June. He's obsessed with simulating playing
Speaker 1: the guitar. He actually has a band with my wife.
Speaker 1: He calls her Trista, and he's mister pants, mister pants.
Speaker 1: He'll turn to my wife. Literally, I've got an on video.
Speaker 1: He'll turn to my wife and goes, Trista, what are
Speaker 1: we going to play now? He's two and a half.
Speaker 1: Don't let him be a musician. We wanted to know.
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
Speaker 4: You'll never have a job. Actually let him.
Speaker 1: Do you think that if you didn't When you say that,
Speaker 1: do you think if you hadn't made it as big
Speaker 1: as you made it, you wouldn't have stuck with it,
Speaker 1: or you would have stayed with it just because you
Speaker 1: loved it. I would have because I love it, right,
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Like I can't tell you
Speaker 1: I love singing.
Speaker 4: I'm good at it, but that's not really it's there's
Speaker 4: a joy to singing in and of itself, and it's
Speaker 4: it's an elevating thing. It's totally freaking wonderful. It's very
Speaker 4: tough for me now, man, because I'm really old and
Speaker 4: getting on the road to exhausting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it beats the crap out of me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you never get more than four hours sleep
Speaker 4: in a row, and then in the middle of that
Speaker 4: you hit an expansion joint and you're awake again, and
Speaker 4: you know, and you're eating terrible food and restaurants.
Speaker 1: When when did you when you left home, you didn't
Speaker 1: go to college. No, I went one year and you
Speaker 1: went to.
Speaker 4: City College in Santa Barbara, which is now, oddly enough,
Speaker 4: the highest rated city college in the country. It was
Speaker 4: interesting and good, and I had one really good teacher
Speaker 4: who hooked me up about some really interesting things about
Speaker 4: semantics and language.
Speaker 1: And No, you were sending music then no, in a band.
Speaker 4: Then no, not yet, I was I was bussing tables
Speaker 4: at the local coffeehouse because as a busboy. They would
Speaker 4: let me sing harmony with the guy who was being
Speaker 4: paid to sing.
Speaker 1: And what was the first band you were in?
Speaker 4: Less Baxter's Balladiers Less Baxter, you know, band leader guy.
Speaker 4: He had seen the Christy Mitchels, which at that guy
Speaker 4: who bar his he had. I think he had three
Speaker 4: of them out there, bands like that, all named the same.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It just was a commercial operation. It was really lame.
Speaker 4: But if we was put food on the table. My
Speaker 4: brother and I were in that. And then I ran
Speaker 4: into Roger mcgwyn and Jeene Clark and where a tributaur
Speaker 4: in l a yeah bar, it's a tributary and they
Speaker 4: were singing and it was good and the songs were
Speaker 4: you know, James is pretty good writer. And so when
Speaker 4: those two have they had an act called they have
Speaker 4: an act.
Speaker 1: They were just playing. They were in the bar. You know.
Speaker 4: Roger had been a musician for a while and successful
Speaker 4: and played with other bands, Lime Letders, Chairman's Trio, a
Speaker 4: bunch of different people, so he knew what he was doing,
Speaker 4: and he knew that Gene was talented and that this
Speaker 4: stuff had value because it sounded a lot like Beatle songs.
Speaker 4: And uh, so I started singing harmony to him. They said,
Speaker 4: what's your name? And that works out really well. It
Speaker 4: was a good band, simple good. Roger was extremely good
Speaker 4: at taking Bob Dylan songs and turning them into pop records.
Speaker 1: And you covered tambourine men. Yeah, that was our first hit.
Speaker 1: Well what did you learn about bands in your first band?
Speaker 1: What was that experience?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: I learned that I had a lot to learn. I
Speaker 4: was just a young punk and I really had no
Speaker 4: idea how to actually work with people and accomplish the
Speaker 4: aim that I wanted to. I had an experienced early
Speaker 4: on when I was young. My mom took me to
Speaker 4: see a symphony orchestra in a park free show there
Speaker 4: in LA and they tuned up and they got ready
Speaker 4: and then he started the piece and it was this.
Speaker 1: Huge, beautiful wave that hit me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know anything was like that. You know, the
Speaker 4: symphony orchestra hugely powerful thing and it freaked me out.
Speaker 4: And the thing I've realized, even as a kid, the
Speaker 4: power came from they were all.
Speaker 1: Doing it together. I can't believe you just said that.
Speaker 4: It's the truth, and it really and it penetrated.
Speaker 1: So I've always wanted to be in a band. Yeah, always.
Speaker 1: I love cooperative effort.
Speaker 4: Competitive effort winds up at war, cooperative efort winds up atter.
Speaker 1: I'm watching Tom Petty's band play at a benefit and a
Speaker 1: friend was with me. I turned to him and I said,
Speaker 1: do you see what I'm seeing? My friend said what?
Speaker 1: And I said, they're all doing the same thing at
Speaker 1: the same time. Bingo, I said, they're all in service
Speaker 1: to and feeding. You know, in my business, not everybody's
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. They're kind of doing their own
Speaker 1: thing off in the corner.
Speaker 4: Thereatty's band was doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really really, very very cool. Do you
Speaker 1: find in a band does somebody always need to be
Speaker 1: in charge? Does somebody need to be the boss?
Speaker 4: It can go both ways. And the Birds Roger was
Speaker 4: definitely the leader of the band, and.
Speaker 1: That worked well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he knew a lot more than we did, and
Speaker 4: he's also an extremely talented guy and a good singer,
Speaker 4: and so it wouldn't you know. I challenged it at
Speaker 4: every turn, but he was the leader of the band.
Speaker 1: CSNY.
Speaker 4: None of us was willing to admit anybody else was
Speaker 4: the leader. It was and probably still is one of
Speaker 4: the most competitive situations in the history, and why he goes.
Speaker 1: Really just that simple. And in spite of all the
Speaker 1: incredible success you've had. I mean, who's when you think
Speaker 1: of people, when you think of men harmonizing in a group,
Speaker 1: the first people that come to mind are the three
Speaker 1: of you. Why do you think that that didn't bring
Speaker 1: them any comfort?
Speaker 4: I don't think that's what they went in for, and
Speaker 4: I don't think they realized exactly how.
Speaker 1: Good it was.
Speaker 4: We did really like each other when we started, and
Speaker 4: we were thrilled, you know, by each other's songs.
Speaker 1: So you leave the Birds and and Still's leaves Buffalo Springfield,
Speaker 1: and they bring you with them.
Speaker 4: The well Springfield through fell apart left right, which kind
Speaker 4: of his m Steven was very appealing guitar player and singer.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's really good. Remember how well he played
Speaker 4: acoustic guitar back then? Beautiful, pretty stunning, And so I
Speaker 4: started hanging out with him, and then Cass introduced me
Speaker 4: to Graham.
Speaker 1: But when Nash leaves the Hollies, the Hollies are doing
Speaker 1: very well, aren't they very successful? Yah?
Speaker 4: Why does he leave the Hollies? I stole him, you did?
Speaker 4: I went to work. I went to London and I
Speaker 4: told me she quit.
Speaker 1: And how did you do that? We should quit? Why?
Speaker 1: Because he could join us.
Speaker 4: He was at a very crux point with the Hollies.
Speaker 4: They wanted to do an album of Dylan covers. Now
Speaker 4: there are bands that should do Dylan covers and there
Speaker 4: are bands that should not do Dylan covers. That was
Speaker 4: one of the bands that should not do Dylan covers.
Speaker 4: And they were ignoring his songs. He had already written
Speaker 4: a Lady at the Island and they didn't get it.
Speaker 4: The beautiful song they had already written right between the eyes,
Speaker 4: they didn't get it. He was already outgrowing them. So
Speaker 4: I walked in and I said, hmm, this is pretty ordinary.
Speaker 4: And I was funnier than they were, and I knew
Speaker 4: more than they did, and I did it on purpose
Speaker 4: and they'll probably never forgive me. But it made a
Speaker 4: great sound, the three of us when we heard each
Speaker 4: other same it. It was spectacular. But bands get together
Speaker 4: and you're in love with each other, it's all wonderful
Speaker 4: and its exciting, and then it devolves, and forty years later,
Speaker 4: it's turned on the smoke machine to play your heads
Speaker 4: and you don't even like each other. You don't ride
Speaker 4: the same bus, you do not hang out, and you
Speaker 4: are come peating with the other guys.
Speaker 1: So it's easier to do the touring and get on
Speaker 1: stage and get that on and get that of what
Speaker 1: than it is to be. You don't go into a
Speaker 1: studio anymore because that's more intimate that died quicker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the money still good on the road in a
Speaker 4: band like that, you know that you you want to
Speaker 4: stay there. I mean it's big crowds, big places, big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it got to winbers no fun. Is it
Speaker 1: about when it starts to crack, when it starts to shift?
Speaker 1: Is it because of songwriting? No one's getting that too.
Speaker 1: No one wants to sing my songs. I want my
Speaker 1: songs on that album. Yea, who's the decider? Did you
Speaker 1: guys acquiesce to producers?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: We uh, we always produced our records and uh and
Speaker 4: are we had what we call the reality rule. You'd
Speaker 4: come into the room, you know, virus, just us, nobody
Speaker 4: else and I sing each other or song and they
Speaker 4: either liked it or they didn't.
Speaker 1: And if they liked it, you know.
Speaker 4: Then we'd start figuring out how to sing it, and
Speaker 4: these are hugely talented guys.
Speaker 1: Man, they came with a lot of stuff. So before
Speaker 1: it was the four of you, the three of you
Speaker 1: was basically pretty good. Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, Neil's nickname is sometimes it's CSN sometimes why
Speaker 4: you know, and when it would be CS and Y
Speaker 4: it was a lot bigger that.
Speaker 1: You've got to know that.
Speaker 4: That's the reason the CSNY is always Neil's decision is
Speaker 4: because if there's twenty thousand people in the stadium, Neil
Speaker 4: put ten of them there. That's the truth. And so
Speaker 4: he's he's the one that's that's said that it's done.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to do that anymore, and I don't
Speaker 4: think he needs to do CSM. I don't think you'll
Speaker 4: ever see it again when you say he sometimes and
Speaker 4: he comes and goes. Is that his nature in all things?
Speaker 4: He just has a tough time committing to anything. No,
Speaker 4: he's on his own path and he does not relinquish
Speaker 4: that ever, under any circumstances. And he does not want
Speaker 4: to be dependent on anybody else and probably doesn't wantly
Speaker 4: split the money.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've never asked him, but I think it, you know,
Speaker 4: I had to come to this decision. It's a very
Speaker 4: hard decision, man, this is a very hard time for us.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this, but streaming pretty
Speaker 4: much destroyed our earning power. It took half, at least
Speaker 4: half of our earning power away from us because they folks,
Speaker 4: they don't pay us for records anymore. And that's really sad.
Speaker 4: They got that deal passed us and they It's sort
Speaker 4: of as if you worked your job and they paid
Speaker 4: you a nickel for every two weeks. It's the proportion
Speaker 4: is drastically tiny. So with Neil gone and CSN still earning,
Speaker 4: but really frozen in place and really unpleasant I mean
Speaker 4: incidents that I will not tell you about, but violently bad,
Speaker 4: carefully chosen one.
Speaker 1: David Crosby is having a renaissance, three solo albums over
Speaker 1: the past four years. We hear about his new burst
Speaker 1: of creativity and why he thinks Stills and Nash are
Speaker 1: still out there playing the hits when we come back.
Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the.
Speaker 2: Thing, a besturb.
Speaker 3: Such a long long time, the.
Speaker 1: Madness that's Crosby with Stills and Nash. We've heard about
Speaker 1: the band's disintegration, but not what made it great? What
Speaker 1: was the best time? Every time? Every time?
Speaker 4: For years at the beginning, every time we'd go on stage,
Speaker 4: we would just kill it. We could sing together. Nash
Speaker 4: is a fantastic harmony singer. He absolutely hates my guts.
Speaker 4: That's not fun to work.
Speaker 1: But why do you think that's that's the case.
Speaker 4: I could tell you, but it would be personal stuff
Speaker 4: and be better than be better if he told you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because you know he said, he said, he said, some
Speaker 4: unfortunate stuff happened in his life, some of which is
Speaker 4: his fault, some of which isn't, and he blames me
Speaker 4: for it. And he mostly blames me because I shot
Speaker 4: my mouth off about Neil's girlfriend and pissed off Neil,
Speaker 4: which ended, see us, that's my fault, and it's it
Speaker 4: was so innocent, you know. I finished in an interview
Speaker 4: like this, and we shut the tape off and I
Speaker 4: was walking down and he said, what do you think
Speaker 4: of Neil's new girlfriend? Man? I said, oh, I think
Speaker 4: she's a predator.
Speaker 1: Bam on the net immediately wow.
Speaker 4: And Neil says, okay, that's it, no more than oh wow.
Speaker 4: And I went on stern and he said, why do
Speaker 4: you feel man? I said, I didn't have any right
Speaker 4: to do that. It was I shot my mouth off,
Speaker 4: and he's pissed at me, and so I want to
Speaker 4: apologize to him and Marrow. I want to apologize, sir.
Speaker 4: I'm not really in a position to judge other people.
Speaker 4: I'm the one who wound up in prison.
Speaker 1: A mistake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I did, But you know what mistage?
Speaker 4: These days, everybody's just waiting pounds you never, you never,
Speaker 4: you never.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no forgetting. I mean, everybody knows the story.
Speaker 1: I guess. I was fighting for custody of my daughter
Speaker 1: and I'd have to go to court and spend twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars just to get my kid on the phone.
Speaker 1: You know, they're going to coach the child how to
Speaker 1: answer the phone. She was like eleven. And so I
Speaker 1: leave this message on my daughter's voicemail, screaming at my
Speaker 1: daughter on the phone. I go go nuts because I've
Speaker 1: gone through all these stages of that. Now what I did.
Speaker 1: I had this great therapist say this to me. Once
Speaker 1: he goes, you realize that none of what you suffered,
Speaker 1: no matter what you felt, was unfair, he said, You
Speaker 1: realize that none of that would have happened if you
Speaker 1: hadn't left the message. If you hadn't left the message,
Speaker 1: none of this would have happened, regardless of what you
Speaker 1: think about them leaking it to the press. But the
Speaker 1: point is once that gets out there on the internet,
Speaker 1: if you go online and you read my Twitter feed
Speaker 1: or you go see any of my social media, there's
Speaker 1: not a day goes by, not one that someone doesn't
Speaker 1: throw that in my face. They send me a message
Speaker 1: with it, they'll show me a YouTube tape with a LinkedIn,
Speaker 1: so there's no forgetting anymore.
Speaker 4: No, And it's the people that we're up against here
Speaker 4: are very very good at assaulting any vulnerability they see
Speaker 4: in the people who criticize them. And we do criticize them,
Speaker 4: both you and I do, because they are doing a
Speaker 4: rotten job with this country. But his supporters, the level
Speaker 4: of vitriol against people like you that have a conscience
Speaker 4: and that love this country, and that really love the
Speaker 4: constitution and really look the idea of a democracy which
Speaker 4: we no longer have, they're very very hot to assault you.
Speaker 4: They want that The level of vitriol is indicative it's
Speaker 4: gone up, and I think they're getting uncomfortable because he
Speaker 4: fucks up every day every day.
Speaker 1: But you've been p for a long time, haven't always.
Speaker 1: I mean I read online where you were doing riffs
Speaker 1: on stage. I don't know if it was Monterey or
Speaker 1: where were you riffs about JFK's assassination.
Speaker 4: I said it was an assassination. I said the Warren
Speaker 4: reports a lot. Yeah, and it is. It was absolutely
Speaker 4: not true. But being an activist is kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, I had heroes. Man Secret is a hero
Speaker 4: of mine. Joan Bia is a hero of mine. These
Speaker 4: are people who actually put their lives on the line.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Harry Belafani, he walked from someone in Montgomery, arm in arm.
Speaker 4: It was rifles in the bushes. Plenty of people wanted
Speaker 4: to get them. I did a documentary about music and activism,
Speaker 4: and he's one of my heroes because he was very brave.
Speaker 4: I wrote a book about it. That's why we made
Speaker 4: the documentary. Working on a new book now, got named
Speaker 4: Jeff Benedict. Started out about politics, but I think it's
Speaker 4: going to be about the whole United States of America
Speaker 4: and democracy and what happened.
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen. It's fascinating, man.
Speaker 1: I don't think we know.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we didn't protect our democracy well enough. What's
Speaker 4: gonna happen? I really don't know. I'm very encouraged by
Speaker 4: these kids. I was very hugely encouraged to keep them active.
Speaker 4: Oh they don't let that fire, Doug die out. It's
Speaker 4: not gonna and we don't. We're not in charge of them.
Speaker 4: They are gonna do that, and they are pissed. I
Speaker 4: don't understand. They're being handed a world that's in deep
Speaker 4: danger ecologically and a broken democracy. I don't think they
Speaker 4: don't know it. They're pissed. My son is pissed. He's
Speaker 4: getting handed the short end of the stick, and he
Speaker 4: knows that he's too smart not to know it. They're
Speaker 4: not going to go away. These kids are going to
Speaker 4: see some change. And all politicians think he has always
Speaker 4: been this way and it's all going to be this way.
Speaker 4: We're close to the no while we can get the
Speaker 4: goodies and we're gonna run things.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: Women's March, the women at the United States of America
Speaker 4: may save the United States of America. We need more
Speaker 4: of them in Congress.
Speaker 1: Maybe Stormy Daniels is going to save the country. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that you saw everybody attack
Speaker 1: David Vidout, a kid that was the leader of the
Speaker 1: Florida Movement. It becomes this lightning rod for all these
Speaker 1: right wingers, especially Hannity, who I've always been, you know,
Speaker 1: just just throttled Hannity whatever I can because he just died.
Speaker 1: Because he drives me insane, because because first of all,
Speaker 1: he has no talent none. I mean, as much as
Speaker 1: I detest O'Reilly's positions and as much as I'm sickened
Speaker 1: by the things that O'Reilly did, at least O'Reilly as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster had some talent I had. I had a
Speaker 1: showdown with the with the o'relly. He was using my
Speaker 1: song a long time agoing and I found out, what
Speaker 1: do you do? He came out to a show CSN
Speaker 1: show at out on Long Island. What's his name, man, but.
Speaker 4: At that place Shoe's Beach, Yeah, Jones Beach. He came
Speaker 4: out there and he was very you know, he is peacock.
Speaker 4: You know, he's like very full of himself himself. Hi,
Speaker 4: Bill O'Reilly, nice to meet you. And I said, mister O'Reilly,
Speaker 4: stop using my song. And he said what I said,
Speaker 4: I didn't give you permission. If you use my song anymore,
Speaker 4: I'm going to see you. He said, why don't you
Speaker 4: come on my show and talk about it.
Speaker 1: I said, talk about it?
Speaker 4: I said, you bully. You just interrupted me three words
Speaker 4: in I'm not going to come show. You disgusted me,
Speaker 4: and he stopped. Boy, I don't like him at all.
Speaker 4: I don't like any of them because they're they don't
Speaker 4: really even believe what they're ranting about. They're ranting because
Speaker 4: it makes them money.
Speaker 1: That's how they pay out multimillion dollar settlements. But handed
Speaker 1: the attacks this guy and a lot of people. He's
Speaker 1: a good kid. That's why they attacked me. Because he's effective,
Speaker 1: because it's working. He's believable. These people have They assassinate
Speaker 1: characters of leadership. They have a leadership assassination program. Anybody
Speaker 1: on the other side is going to it. Was going
Speaker 1: to get an attraction and get anything done. They try
Speaker 1: to kill it. They try to kill it.
Speaker 4: They don't like it. And now I'm I'm tiny, I'm
Speaker 4: not really worth coming after it, but they do come
Speaker 4: after me. I'll give you a perfect example, I shot
Speaker 4: may mouth off yesterday whenever it was his hotel got cockcire,
Speaker 4: I said, burn baby, burn, stupid. And then a guy
Speaker 4: dies fifty emails you heartless, worthless son of a bitch.
Speaker 4: Somebody died and you loved it.
Speaker 1: I don't love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to be sometimes, duh. I don't
Speaker 4: want anybody to die fifty like raging. I'm going to
Speaker 4: kill you, you low, cheesy motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You can't communicate in the media at all the way
Speaker 1: you thought you could or wanted to. Yeah, very carefully.
Speaker 4: YEA.
Speaker 1: The place I go where I can speak as long
Speaker 1: as I want to, and I'm completely uncensored, and I'm welcome,
Speaker 1: and nobody's got to is Howard Stern. I whenever I
Speaker 1: want to talk about something, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: an issue. If something's bothered me, I go on Howard.
Speaker 1: It's the best. These are the nighttime shows. Some of
Speaker 1: them are my friends. I like them. They have their
Speaker 1: purpose promotionally, six minutes on the couch and out. They
Speaker 1: have their function in the in the promotional world. But
Speaker 1: Howard is a completely different thing. I have a real
Speaker 1: conversation and he's a kind guy.
Speaker 4: He's a really interesting thing. You know what happened with Howard?
Speaker 4: He grew up right, He started be out being you know, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have strippers on my radio show, all right, Gabie.
Speaker 1: Not so shit?
Speaker 4: And then he kept encountering stuff and learning stuff, and
Speaker 4: you watch him he matured.
Speaker 1: Eventually they realize Letterman and Howard in their own way,
Speaker 1: they realize they're enough them just sitting there talking to
Speaker 1: is enough. You don't need any more of this crap.
Speaker 4: I think Howard learned a lot and became smarter and
Speaker 4: became much He's a serious, a serious guy to talk to.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way you do. I felt completely
Speaker 4: free to say pretty much anything. I honestly felt you
Speaker 4: say the thing about the fire at Trump's building. But
Speaker 4: don't we all get pushed to the point where I mean,
Speaker 4: there's things I almost hit send on Twitter that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't believe, right right in line with what you said
Speaker 4: about Birdie, Yeah it was. We get pushed to that point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well they make us mad exactly. You love this place, right,
Speaker 4: You believed in this democracy all your life. You think
Speaker 4: it's a great idea. We got taught it.
Speaker 1: We're going to ruin.
Speaker 4: Everything, and well they're ruining it, you know, and that's
Speaker 4: really bad. And yes, I get pissed. And every once
Speaker 4: in a while I make a mistake. I'm nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4: I made a mistake that maybe there was one in
Speaker 4: ninety one to two. You're supposed to smile. It was
Speaker 4: a joke.
Speaker 1: But why was it a joke? Because I make mistakes
Speaker 1: every day. I'm sorry. Okay, can I get it now?
Speaker 1: I'm so earnest. Right now, I'm a little too earnest.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your son. His name
Speaker 1: is Raymond, James Raymond, James Raymond, and you were separated,
Speaker 1: didn't see him a while ago, re united.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his mom put him up for adoption, and when
Speaker 4: he was just about to have his first child, his
Speaker 4: parents said, well, you know, I shouldn't know what the
Speaker 4: genetics are. You should find out who your dad is.
Speaker 4: So he tracked and he found it and he said, nah,
Speaker 4: no way, Oh.
Speaker 1: He didn't know. No. How old was he at that point,
Speaker 1: probably almost thirty, So he didn't know you were his father.
Speaker 4: No, No, he did a wonderful thing, Alec. He normally does.
Speaker 4: Meet ups go very badly. You know that somebody brings
Speaker 4: too much baggage. How come you left me?
Speaker 1: And Mom?
Speaker 4: We weren't good enough for you?
Speaker 1: It's usually bitter. It's usually a bitter pill. Well, he
Speaker 1: came and he gave me a clean slate.
Speaker 4: He gave me a chance to earn my way into
Speaker 4: his life, which was one of the kindest things anybody's
Speaker 4: ever done to me. And he and I became very
Speaker 4: close and we write extremely well. Because he's a better
Speaker 4: musician than I am. Anybody tells you it's not genetic.
Speaker 1: Have him come talk. That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: He's a wonderful musician, much better musician than I am.
Speaker 1: A really good writer. We're taking a break. Stay with us.
Speaker 1: Do you still have your band together, CPR?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that band has evolved now into the sky
Speaker 4: Trails Band band. Now I am in two bands, So
Speaker 4: the Lighthouse Band, that's the one I'm working with down
Speaker 4: John right now. It's an acoustic band, mostly vocals. And
Speaker 4: you here recording. Yeah, we're here recording right now. We're
Speaker 4: making our second record. My other band, Skytrails Band. That's CPR,
Speaker 4: me and Jeff p Var and my son James Raymond
Speaker 4: and this jazz bass player from Estonia named my Eigen
Speaker 4: Young really nice, brilliant bass player. And then Michelle Willims
Speaker 4: again because she's a stunning singer. She's an amazing singer.
Speaker 4: But yeah, these two bands are the results of being
Speaker 4: getting out of CSM. And it was a very tough
Speaker 4: decision because streaming was taking away half our money. The
Speaker 4: other half was live performance with CSN and I couldn't
Speaker 4: do it anymore, and so I quit. And are you
Speaker 4: just as happy or do you miss I'm so happy SNN?
Speaker 1: Not at all.
Speaker 4: Really, these people are much better writers and much better
Speaker 4: singer than those guys are now right, These people still
Speaker 4: love it, They.
Speaker 1: Love making music. They're not doing it for a paycheck.
Speaker 1: They're doing it because do you think the other two
Speaker 1: are really just doing it for a paycheck at this point? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing they do. What are
Speaker 1: they going to do? Do you think that they're going to
Speaker 1: follow you inform another band and keep going there? You
Speaker 1: know they're working.
Speaker 4: Stills was working with Judy Collins, he's been a friend forever,
Speaker 4: and Nash be not working.
Speaker 1: Were there people that you wanted to play with? Like,
Speaker 1: was there a dream of somebody you wanted to play
Speaker 1: with you and get to play with who do you
Speaker 1: want to play with? Johnny? Really? And why didn't you?
Speaker 1: She was my old lady.
Speaker 4: I produced her first record. She arguably the finest singer
Speaker 4: songwriter of our times. I think probably pretty definitely the
Speaker 4: best writer, even better than Paul or either one of
Speaker 4: the Pauls or Randy, or even better than James Taylor,
Speaker 4: who is one of my real heroes in life. And
Speaker 4: most people come down to it's her, Bob, And she's
Speaker 4: so much better musician than Bobbs.
Speaker 1: Bob's a great poet. She's a great poet and a
Speaker 1: great musician.
Speaker 4: Wow, stunning singer, which is all over now because she
Speaker 4: got had a really bad thing happened to her.
Speaker 1: Dylan, but I worked with him. What was that like?
Speaker 1: Was it everything you hoped they would be?
Speaker 4: Bob is such a piece of work man. I went
Speaker 4: in and he says, Hi, you do it, And he
Speaker 4: kissed my wife's hand. She's never watched it since. And
Speaker 4: he says, come on, let's.
Speaker 1: Go do it. And I said, Bob, I haven't heard this. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 4: Because he loves to get you out on the edge.
Speaker 4: He wants that edge stuff. He wants it so I said, Bob,
Speaker 4: you got to sing me this song. So he says, okay,
Speaker 4: he sings me the song. I see, okay, now let's
Speaker 4: go to it. So we go in the other room
Speaker 4: and he does it completely different. He's such, he's really
Speaker 4: he's a piece of work, trust me, and I love
Speaker 4: him and I get along great with him because I
Speaker 4: don't butter his toast.
Speaker 1: You know, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's that's comfortable for him. People I'd love to
Speaker 4: work with there are still a bunch man, but I
Speaker 4: think the younger people still have a lot of joy
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's still really exciting for him, and that produces a
Speaker 4: different quality of music.
Speaker 5: Unquestionably, we had build back hold to our hour little
Speaker 5: hard guy here the night.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 5: That's sign from young bird here, that's entry somebody here exactly.
Speaker 1: Right when we returned some of the truly great questions
Speaker 1: you all submitted for this legend of rock and roll,
Speaker 1: and a few of the less than great ones. I'm
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: She shall be As she turned Bougis.
Speaker 1: Down this slope to the hall. We have some questions
Speaker 1: that were posed by people on our here is the
Speaker 1: thing Twitter side. Yeah, you know, we went on on
Speaker 1: our Twitter page and we asked people and it really
Speaker 1: worked like a charm. You were kind of amazed how
Speaker 1: many people We're gonna bring me the questions, bring those
Speaker 1: in here? But ah, is that you, Adam? I want
Speaker 1: to picked us a couple of these that I really
Speaker 1: really liked. One of them is from a woman named
Speaker 1: Barbara Fisher, and she says, one of my all time
Speaker 1: favorite albums of yours is A Thousand Roads. Did you
Speaker 1: have any thoughts of what inspired you to write these songs,
Speaker 1: especially Hero? Was this a generalization? Was it a commendation
Speaker 1: on someone specific that inspired you?
Speaker 4: I wish it were actually Hero. I'm not really sure
Speaker 4: what I was talking about. What happened is I was
Speaker 4: working on that set of words until Collins heard him
Speaker 4: and he wrote the music. And this is the closest
Speaker 4: I came to ever having a hit. Really, I never
Speaker 4: have it because I write the weird shit. I'm not
Speaker 4: really sure what I was talking about. I wish I
Speaker 4: could give you a clear and concise answer what I
Speaker 4: was trying to say, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Bill Vora Nicos and Bill if I mangled your name,
Speaker 1: I apologized Bill Vornicos. I think this is a funny question.
Speaker 1: Who was a rival artist or band during the sixties
Speaker 1: or seventies that you couldn't stand or thought sucked other
Speaker 1: than Jim Morrison. Did you think Jim Morrison sucked? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: really poser, really poser. You thought he was not a
Speaker 1: good singer, not a good singer? No, no, why do you?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't think he was a good singer.
Speaker 1: And when you say that, who is a good singer
Speaker 1: to you? Oh? Man, I mean other than the three
Speaker 1: of you? Who's a good singer?
Speaker 4: James Taylor?
Speaker 1: Wow, brilliant singer? Well, because he's just more honest, more straightforward?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 1: What? Much more talented? Wow? No, Morrison was a poser.
Speaker 4: Anybody that wants up having a wave their dick at
Speaker 4: the audience, you know, it's like they're pretty desperate.
Speaker 1: He was a poser.
Speaker 4: Trust me. I That band was no good. They never swung. Ever,
Speaker 4: they didn't have a bass player. He played terrible bass
Speaker 4: on a keyboard, really badly, and it was awful.
Speaker 1: I don't like him.
Speaker 4: I never There were bands earlier than that that I
Speaker 4: didn't like. Paul Overer in the Raiders. I mean, come on,
Speaker 4: I set the bar pretty high. The people that I
Speaker 4: liked were Jimmy Hendrix and Janis Joplin and cass Ellie
Speaker 4: had Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's those are your basic box set of the greatest.
Speaker 4: Those are all my friends, and there are all people
Speaker 4: that I think are really talented.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't like the doors at all. Well, we
Speaker 1: have a woman here the question. I'm motivated by you
Speaker 1: because you were so blunt about Morrison. I'm so blunt
Speaker 1: about this question. Her name is Renee Champagne. Now that's
Speaker 1: that's a that's a cool name, Renee Champagne. But the
Speaker 1: question is a terrible question. She says, what is the
Speaker 1: most memorable moment of your career so far? And why?
Speaker 1: That's a terrible question.
Speaker 4: When you are terrible question and you get those two
Speaker 4: right now, and we try to explain to him, and
Speaker 4: when you get into the good stuff, it's all apples
Speaker 4: and oranges. There isn't a best. Clapton wasn't better than Hendrix.
Speaker 4: Hendrix wasn't better than Clapton.
Speaker 1: I got another one here that I really really liked.
Speaker 1: John Packer. Is his name? Our contributor here from Twitter,
Speaker 1: John Packer said, Hugh Masekela described how you helped him
Speaker 1: move out of addiction and how that transformed his life.
Speaker 1: How did he find you? Cass?
Speaker 4: Cass Elliott, the same person introduced me to Graham and
Speaker 4: one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: In the world, A truly wonderful woman. Yeah.
Speaker 4: She introduced me to Hugh and he and I and
Speaker 4: she used to hang out together a lot. Hughes was
Speaker 4: a very talented guy. He played on Rock and Roll Star.
Speaker 4: That's his trumpet on Rock and Roll Star.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to answer these questions, but I
Speaker 1: just want to read them to you because that's so
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Jeffrey Paris says, if you had six
Speaker 1: fingers instead of four, what will we hear from your guitar?
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Paris used to be the captain on my boat.
Speaker 1: Is this somebody you know? Oh?
Speaker 4: I know, very somebody you know. He's one of my
Speaker 4: best friends.
Speaker 1: If you have six fingers on your hand rather than
Speaker 1: for what will we hear from your guitar?
Speaker 4: Clapped it?
Speaker 1: Is he somebody you admire? Oh?
Speaker 4: Hell yes, But more than his musicianship, I admire his courage.
Speaker 4: What happened to him, would have put me back on.
Speaker 4: He didn't go. He stayed sober in the face of that.
Speaker 4: My god, man, that's courage. He's a very brave guy.
Speaker 4: And you know, most people just have never really looked
Speaker 4: at it and thought about what it must have taken
Speaker 4: from him. But I admire his courage as much as
Speaker 4: I admire his guitar playing. And I think he's an
Speaker 4: even better singer than he is a guitar player.
Speaker 1: Three last questions. Gloria Bernstein, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Gloria Bernstein wants to know what's your favorite movie of
Speaker 1: your dad's.
Speaker 4: But the one they got the Academy Award for it
Speaker 4: is also a stunner. It's called Taboo, and it was
Speaker 4: a black and white silent movie.
Speaker 1: It's that far back. You ever visit him on the set?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lots of Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to do your job. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you didn't. I'm so it worked out
Speaker 1: well for all of us.
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, it's not easy for every part in
Speaker 4: film and TV. There's a thousand people trying.
Speaker 1: One last question from these, what are five albums you
Speaker 1: could never do.
Speaker 4: With Jony's Blue Asia, Steely Dan, my favorite band, sad
Speaker 4: that he died not I'm friends with Donald and Though
Speaker 4: and I got to give two to Steely.
Speaker 1: Dan, Gaucho.
Speaker 4: Pepper's Starry Peppers loved a classical piece called Theme from Thomas.
Speaker 1: Tallis very fun. William, so you know about that. I'm
Speaker 1: the announcer for the New York Philharmonic. You're on public radio.
Speaker 1: I love that. How is your health and what recommendations
Speaker 1: do you have to people, especially people in your business,
Speaker 1: to take better care of their health. I think a
Speaker 1: lot about that now what I might have done?
Speaker 4: I think, you know, my health has always been a
Speaker 4: very serious issue. I had a hepatitis. See, I had
Speaker 4: to have a liver transplant. I spent seventy two days
Speaker 4: in the hospital at UCLA before they saved my life.
Speaker 4: Oh is it really pretty pretty terrible? I've been a
Speaker 4: diabetic for thirty years at least. My doctor, who is
Speaker 4: a crusty old guy at UCLA named Gary Geitnik, you
Speaker 4: gotta do better with his diabetes.
Speaker 1: Ok, Gary, thank you? How do I do that? He said?
Speaker 1: Eat less food?
Speaker 4: I said, oh, Gary, thanks, that's so simple. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: you cleared it right up for me. You're so kind
Speaker 4: you ask eat less food. I mean it, you're eating
Speaker 4: too much. Turns out he's right. There's a delay period
Speaker 4: between when you're actually full and when you feel ful
Speaker 4: about twenty minutes, and you keep eating because it tastes good.
Speaker 4: So what I do is I order a regular meal.
Speaker 4: I don't order sugar, but I order a pretty regular meal,
Speaker 4: and then I eat half of it. And I went
Speaker 4: from two forty seven and I've been here for two years.
Speaker 1: Do you campaign for people, for candidates ever anymore?
Speaker 4: I am very reticent about it because they turn on you.
Speaker 4: I've been campaigning for a friend of mine named Dena
Speaker 4: Steele down in Texas. She's running where it's home for
Speaker 4: you now you live where Sentien is up by Santa Barbara.
Speaker 4: I've been campaigning for Dana because she's a friend and
Speaker 4: I know she's an honorable person, and she's running for
Speaker 4: Congress in the thirty sixth district in Texas, and I
Speaker 4: think she might win, even though she's an uphill battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: Sometimes if I know the character.
Speaker 1: Of the person, I have to do something with you
Speaker 1: that'd be fun. I'd love it too. Man out Nelly Alchemy,
Speaker 1: I know it. You know, we've got to give it
Speaker 1: a guy.
Speaker 4: I love this country man.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up.
Speaker 4: I Am not going to roll over and put my
Speaker 4: paws in here. I Am going to keep fighting until
Speaker 4: I am dead.
Speaker 1: The inexhaustible creative engine that is David Crosby. He actually
Speaker 1: worked in film. Recently. He and his son James wrote
Speaker 1: a song for the documentary Little Pink House about the
Speaker 1: human story behind the Supreme Court's Kilo decision, where a
Speaker 1: town tried to bulldoze the woman's Little Pink House to
Speaker 1: make room for commercial development.
Speaker 4: They put it in the movie and they're trying to
Speaker 4: you thy can qualify as for an Academy Award.
Speaker 1: We traveled of course love and can put it next
Speaker 1: to my dad, David Crosby. He chose the music for
Speaker 1: today's program, and there's both joy and pain in it.
Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin. You're listening to here's the thing from
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