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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. Here before we launch our next

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Speaker 1: season of Here's the Thing at iHeartRadio in January, I

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Speaker 1: thought i'd play some of my favorite shows from the archives.

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Speaker 1: Next up is my interview with musician David Crosby. Crosby

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Speaker 1: is a founding member of Crosby Stills in Nash and

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Speaker 1: in adding the Why that is Neil Young created one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest quartets in music history. Here's my interview

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Speaker 1: with the late David Crosby.

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Speaker 2: And here before here before.

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Speaker 3: As you know, it makes me wonder.

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Speaker 1: What's going on c SN and sometimes why. Some combination

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Speaker 1: of David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash played together

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Speaker 1: for fifty years until twenty sixteen, but always Crosby. He's

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Speaker 1: the constant in some of the greatest songs of the

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Speaker 1: twentieth century. His composition, harmonizing and non traditional guitar tunings

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Speaker 1: helped create the sound of the sixties and seventies. It's

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Speaker 1: a sound he honed with his first big act, The Birds,

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Speaker 1: turning counterculture anthems like Dylan's Tambourine Man into mainstream hits.

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Speaker 1: David Crosby is famous too for his addiction to cocaine

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Speaker 1: and heroin in the nineteen eighties. It almost killed him.

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Speaker 1: But even in his darkest moments, Crosbie always had people

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Speaker 1: pulling him up, even some of the biggest stars of

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Speaker 4: All Right, I'm in the middle of my lowest point

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Speaker 4: of being a complete waste roll on hard drugs. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's a bitch. My phone rings Crosby. Yeah, who's this?

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Speaker 4: It's Townsen. I said, bullshit. He says, no, it's Townsen. Listen,

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Speaker 4: get off that stuff. Get the off that stuff. I

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Speaker 4: have to watch the four letter words, right, you can

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Speaker 4: let it rip. Heirs really good podcasting, and so he says,

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Speaker 4: you know you fucking get your shit, fucking getta you're

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Speaker 4: fucking up. Quit that shit in my face. Really seriously,

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Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck came my number? I

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Speaker 4: still haven't deciphered how this all happened. Lord made him

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Speaker 4: think it would work. Everybody else had failed. Somebody put

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Speaker 4: him up to it. I'm not sure did it work? No? No,

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Speaker 4: what worked was they sent me to prison in Texas

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Speaker 4: for a year.

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Speaker 1: Right, that worked? So that's what That was a turning

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Speaker 1: point for you. Yeah, it got me sober and you

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Speaker 1: were largely or you were completely sober since then, I.

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Speaker 4: Was completely sober for fourteen and a half years.

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Speaker 1: What happened with to prison? What year eighty four? And

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Speaker 1: you were how old? Forties? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I was born in forty one and I was deeply addicted.

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Speaker 4: And the only and I already tried in you know

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Speaker 4: rehab places, I think four or five times failed. So

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Speaker 4: the prison did it? You know, junk and freebase. That

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Speaker 4: that's a prison you carry around with you. You don't

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Speaker 4: get to get out prison. You get to get out,

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Speaker 4: and I don't regret.

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Speaker 1: It a bit. How were you treated by the inmate

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Speaker 1: population when you were in prison? Were they kind to you?

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Speaker 1: Did they dig you and admire you? A full range

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Speaker 1: went all the way from uh.

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Speaker 4: I like your music man to uh hey, rock star?

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Speaker 4: How you doing now? Bet you wish you had some drugs,

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Speaker 4: don't you?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Warn look over here rockstar throwing up a gia some

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Speaker 4: bitch oh Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And they didn't give me an aspir They didn't even

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Speaker 4: have AA meetings in the prisons, in fact, nothing.

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Speaker 1: You had no help at all. You crawled out of there.

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Speaker 1: It was bitter. It was bitter, but I woke up

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Speaker 1: when you get out of prison. What do you do well? Like?

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Speaker 1: Like who comes around? You do if people come to

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Speaker 1: you and say, let's get back to work, or what's

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Speaker 4: As soon as I woke up, I started writing again.

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Speaker 4: I'm a hugely lucky human being.

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Speaker 1: Man. I have a raison.

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Speaker 4: Here's a fact about writing and creating and drugs. The

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Speaker 4: more drugs I did, the less I wrote. And you

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Speaker 4: can plot the two curves crossed at a certain point,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I just kept the more drugs identically

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Speaker 4: stopped writing. And then about two years went by, and

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Speaker 1: So I can only draw one conclusion. Now this is

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Speaker 1: going to sound strange, but you come from a nice family.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were comforted when I got to go to

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Speaker 4: good schools. I had a red juncle. My dad was

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Speaker 4: a cinematographer and a very good one. Not a warm

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be an actor. You know what's really funny, man,

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Speaker 4: Most of the actors I know want to be musicians

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Speaker 4: and all the musicians.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be actors, right because no matter

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Speaker 1: can be in your life, and therefore music will always

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Speaker 1: have a more powerful place in the lives of people

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Speaker 1: than any film or TV.

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Speaker 4: Any debatable, but I think you get to a lot

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Speaker 4: of evidence on your side there music. The way I

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Speaker 4: look at it, music all art can be and usually

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Speaker 4: is a lifting force. Just as war drags humanity down

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Speaker 4: and art lift. They're lifting force. They make things better.

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Speaker 4: And so I kind of think, I kind of think

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Speaker 4: I'm probably the luckiest guy in the world. I think

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Speaker 4: I've got probably one of the best jobs. I try

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Speaker 4: to acting. I'm not really good at it, you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know why you'd want to act. If I could

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Speaker 1: music if I could do what you do. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: When I went to go see the Beatles Love, I

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Speaker 1: Beatles Love, And what kits you in the beginning other

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Speaker 1: than the really kind of groovy meshing of the songs

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Speaker 1: and the kind of overdub and they did was the

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Speaker 1: idea of that all of them were born during the war,

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Speaker 1: all war babies in London, they were, and you talk

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Speaker 1: You're a war baby, you were born during the war

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Speaker 1: forty one, right, What was life like when you were

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Speaker 4: I remember my dad. I remember watching my dad at

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Speaker 4: a distance at you know where Burbank Airport is used

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Speaker 4: the belly of a B twenty four and flying away

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Speaker 4: to the war. I remember watching he went, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was. They commissioned directly into what was then the

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Speaker 1: You know, cinema photographer.

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Speaker 4: So they put him right in the Air Corps and

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Speaker 4: put him in this B twenty four that didn't that

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Speaker 4: was a camera plane, that's all it was. And he

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Speaker 4: went all over the world. He went every sh he had,

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Speaker 1: It was gone for how long five years.

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Speaker 4: Well, because he wasn't a bombing thing. You know, he

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Speaker 4: he didn't get thirty five and out. He kept going

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Speaker 4: five years, every major theater of the war. And when

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Speaker 1: What was he like? You wouldn't ever talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So life at home when you were a child is

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: At first, yeah, and then both of them. But my

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Speaker 1: He was off working. Yeah. And you go to boarding

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Speaker 1: school I did? Yeah, Kate, what was that like?

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Speaker 4: Huh?

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Speaker 1: What were you like? Were you always mischievous? Always?

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Speaker 4: And it got me in a shitload of trouble.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's definitely true. I got thrown

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Speaker 4: out of almost every school I was ever in, including Kate.

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Speaker 1: What was music in your life? Then?

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Speaker 4: Music came early and well, my mom sang in choirs.

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Speaker 4: My dad liked music. He could play a mantle in.

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Speaker 4: My brother played guitar. We used to interesting thing when

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Speaker 4: and that was where it started.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody tell you then you could sing? Did they

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Speaker 4: They did notice that I was singing harmony when I

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Speaker 1: And what's the first instrument you played? Guitar? My brother

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Speaker 1: turned me on the guitar when you were how old?

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe ten. What's the best time you think that.

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Speaker 1: My son is two and a half years, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be three in June. He's obsessed with simulating playing

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Speaker 1: He calls her Trista, and he's mister pants, mister pants.

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Speaker 1: He'll turn to my wife. Literally, I've got an on video.

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Speaker 1: He'll turn to my wife and goes, Trista, what are

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Speaker 1: Don't let him be a musician. We wanted to know.

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Speaker 4: You'll never have a job. Actually let him.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that if you didn't When you say that,

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Speaker 1: I love it so much. Like I can't tell you

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Speaker 4: I'm good at it, but that's not really it's there's

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Speaker 4: it's an elevating thing. It's totally freaking wonderful. It's very

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it beats the crap out of me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you never get more than four hours sleep

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Speaker 1: When when did you when you left home, you didn't

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Speaker 1: go to college. No, I went one year and you

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Speaker 4: City College in Santa Barbara, which is now, oddly enough,

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Speaker 4: semantics and language.

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Speaker 1: And No, you were sending music then no, in a band.

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Speaker 4: Then no, not yet, I was I was bussing tables

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Speaker 4: at the local coffeehouse because as a busboy. They would

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Speaker 4: let me sing harmony with the guy who was being

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Speaker 1: And what was the first band you were in?

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Speaker 4: Less Baxter's Balladiers Less Baxter, you know, band leader guy.

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Speaker 4: He had seen the Christy Mitchels, which at that guy

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Speaker 4: It just was a commercial operation. It was really lame.

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Speaker 4: But if we was put food on the table. My

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Speaker 4: And they were ignoring his songs. He had already written

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Speaker 4: You know, Neil's nickname is sometimes it's CSN sometimes why

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Speaker 4: That's the reason the CSNY is always Neil's decision is

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Speaker 4: he comes and goes. Is that his nature in all things?

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Speaker 4: He just has a tough time committing to anything. No,

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Speaker 4: he's on his own path and he does not relinquish

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this, but streaming pretty

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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the.

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Speaker 2: Thing, a besturb.

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Speaker 1: Madness that's Crosby with Stills and Nash. We've heard about

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Speaker 1: But why do you think that's that's the case.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really in a position to judge other people.

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Speaker 4: I'm the one who wound up in prison.

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Speaker 1: A mistake.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I did, But you know what mistage?

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Speaker 4: These days, everybody's just waiting pounds you never, you never,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's no forgetting. I mean, everybody knows the story.

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Speaker 1: I guess. I was fighting for custody of my daughter

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Speaker 1: You know, they're going to coach the child how to

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Speaker 1: realize that none of that would have happened if you

440
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: hadn't left the message. If you hadn't left the message,

441
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: none of this would have happened, regardless of what you

442
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: think about them leaking it to the press. But the

443
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: point is once that gets out there on the internet,

444
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: if you go online and you read my Twitter feed

445
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: or you go see any of my social media, there's

446
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: not a day goes by, not one that someone doesn't

447
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: throw that in my face. They send me a message

448
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: with it, they'll show me a YouTube tape with a LinkedIn,

449
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: so there's no forgetting anymore.

450
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: No, And it's the people that we're up against here

451
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: are very very good at assaulting any vulnerability they see

452
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 4: in the people who criticize them. And we do criticize them,

453
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 4: both you and I do, because they are doing a

454
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: rotten job with this country. But his supporters, the level

455
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: of vitriol against people like you that have a conscience

456
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 4: and that love this country, and that really love the

457
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: constitution and really look the idea of a democracy which

458
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 4: we no longer have, they're very very hot to assault you.

459
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: They want that The level of vitriol is indicative it's

460
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 4: gone up, and I think they're getting uncomfortable because he

461
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: fucks up every day every day.

462
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Speaker 1: But you've been p for a long time, haven't always.

463
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean I read online where you were doing riffs

464
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: on stage. I don't know if it was Monterey or

465
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: where were you riffs about JFK's assassination.

466
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: I said it was an assassination. I said the Warren

467
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: reports a lot. Yeah, and it is. It was absolutely

468
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: not true. But being an activist is kind of like,

469
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, I had heroes. Man Secret is a hero

470
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 4: of mine. Joan Bia is a hero of mine. These

471
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 4: are people who actually put their lives on the line.

472
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 2: You know.

473
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 4: Harry Belafani, he walked from someone in Montgomery, arm in arm.

474
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: It was rifles in the bushes. Plenty of people wanted

475
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 4: to get them. I did a documentary about music and activism,

476
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: and he's one of my heroes because he was very brave.

477
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 4: I wrote a book about it. That's why we made

478
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 4: the documentary. Working on a new book now, got named

479
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: Jeff Benedict. Started out about politics, but I think it's

480
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 4: going to be about the whole United States of America

481
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 4: and democracy and what happened.

482
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen. It's fascinating, man.

483
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't think we know.

484
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we didn't protect our democracy well enough. What's

485
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: gonna happen? I really don't know. I'm very encouraged by

486
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 4: these kids. I was very hugely encouraged to keep them active.

487
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: Oh they don't let that fire, Doug die out. It's

488
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 4: not gonna and we don't. We're not in charge of them.

489
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: They are gonna do that, and they are pissed. I

490
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: don't understand. They're being handed a world that's in deep

491
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: danger ecologically and a broken democracy. I don't think they

492
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: don't know it. They're pissed. My son is pissed. He's

493
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 4: getting handed the short end of the stick, and he

494
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: knows that he's too smart not to know it. They're

495
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: not going to go away. These kids are going to

496
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: see some change. And all politicians think he has always

497
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 4: been this way and it's all going to be this way.

498
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 4: We're close to the no while we can get the

499
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: goodies and we're gonna run things.

500
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

501
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: Women's March, the women at the United States of America

502
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: may save the United States of America. We need more

503
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: of them in Congress.

504
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: Maybe Stormy Daniels is going to save the country. Yeah.

505
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that you saw everybody attack

506
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: David Vidout, a kid that was the leader of the

507
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Florida Movement. It becomes this lightning rod for all these

508
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: right wingers, especially Hannity, who I've always been, you know,

509
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: just just throttled Hannity whatever I can because he just died.

510
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: Because he drives me insane, because because first of all,

511
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: he has no talent none. I mean, as much as

512
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: I detest O'Reilly's positions and as much as I'm sickened

513
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: by the things that O'Reilly did, at least O'Reilly as

514
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: a broadcaster had some talent I had. I had a

515
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: showdown with the with the o'relly. He was using my

516
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: song a long time agoing and I found out, what

517
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: do you do? He came out to a show CSN

518
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: show at out on Long Island. What's his name, man, but.

519
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 4: At that place Shoe's Beach, Yeah, Jones Beach. He came

520
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: out there and he was very you know, he is peacock.

521
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 4: You know, he's like very full of himself himself. Hi,

522
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: Bill O'Reilly, nice to meet you. And I said, mister O'Reilly,

523
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: stop using my song. And he said what I said,

524
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 4: I didn't give you permission. If you use my song anymore,

525
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: I'm going to see you. He said, why don't you

526
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 4: come on my show and talk about it.

527
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: I said, talk about it?

528
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: I said, you bully. You just interrupted me three words

529
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: in I'm not going to come show. You disgusted me,

530
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 4: and he stopped. Boy, I don't like him at all.

531
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: I don't like any of them because they're they don't

532
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: really even believe what they're ranting about. They're ranting because

533
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: it makes them money.

534
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: That's how they pay out multimillion dollar settlements. But handed

535
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: the attacks this guy and a lot of people. He's

536
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: a good kid. That's why they attacked me. Because he's effective,

537
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: because it's working. He's believable. These people have They assassinate

538
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: characters of leadership. They have a leadership assassination program. Anybody

539
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: on the other side is going to it. Was going

540
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: to get an attraction and get anything done. They try

541
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: to kill it. They try to kill it.

542
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: They don't like it. And now I'm I'm tiny, I'm

543
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: not really worth coming after it, but they do come

544
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: after me. I'll give you a perfect example, I shot

545
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: may mouth off yesterday whenever it was his hotel got cockcire,

546
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: I said, burn baby, burn, stupid. And then a guy

547
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 4: dies fifty emails you heartless, worthless son of a bitch.

548
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: Somebody died and you loved it.

549
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't love it.

550
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to be sometimes, duh. I don't

551
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: want anybody to die fifty like raging. I'm going to

552
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: kill you, you low, cheesy motherfucker.

553
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: You can't communicate in the media at all the way

554
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: you thought you could or wanted to. Yeah, very carefully.

555
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: YEA.

556
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: The place I go where I can speak as long

557
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: as I want to, and I'm completely uncensored, and I'm welcome,

558
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: and nobody's got to is Howard Stern. I whenever I

559
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about something, I want to talk about

560
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: an issue. If something's bothered me, I go on Howard.

561
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: It's the best. These are the nighttime shows. Some of

562
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: them are my friends. I like them. They have their

563
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: purpose promotionally, six minutes on the couch and out. They

564
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: have their function in the in the promotional world. But

565
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Howard is a completely different thing. I have a real

566
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: conversation and he's a kind guy.

567
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: He's a really interesting thing. You know what happened with Howard?

568
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: He grew up right, He started be out being you know, hey,

569
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have strippers on my radio show, all right, Gabie.

570
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: Not so shit?

571
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: And then he kept encountering stuff and learning stuff, and

572
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: you watch him he matured.

573
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: Eventually they realize Letterman and Howard in their own way,

574
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: they realize they're enough them just sitting there talking to

575
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: is enough. You don't need any more of this crap.

576
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: I think Howard learned a lot and became smarter and

577
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: became much He's a serious, a serious guy to talk to.

578
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Now.

579
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: I feel the same way you do. I felt completely

580
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: free to say pretty much anything. I honestly felt you

581
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: say the thing about the fire at Trump's building. But

582
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: don't we all get pushed to the point where I mean,

583
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: there's things I almost hit send on Twitter that you

584
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't believe, right right in line with what you said

585
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: about Birdie, Yeah it was. We get pushed to that point. Yeah,

586
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: well they make us mad exactly. You love this place, right,

587
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: You believed in this democracy all your life. You think

588
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: it's a great idea. We got taught it.

589
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: We're going to ruin.

590
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: Everything, and well they're ruining it, you know, and that's

591
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: really bad. And yes, I get pissed. And every once

592
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: in a while I make a mistake. I'm nineteen eighty nine.

593
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: I made a mistake that maybe there was one in

594
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: ninety one to two. You're supposed to smile. It was

595
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: a joke.

596
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: But why was it a joke? Because I make mistakes

597
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: every day. I'm sorry. Okay, can I get it now?

598
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm so earnest. Right now, I'm a little too earnest.

599
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your son. His name

600
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: is Raymond, James Raymond, James Raymond, and you were separated,

601
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: didn't see him a while ago, re united.

602
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, his mom put him up for adoption, and when

603
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: he was just about to have his first child, his

604
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: parents said, well, you know, I shouldn't know what the

605
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: genetics are. You should find out who your dad is.

606
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: So he tracked and he found it and he said, nah,

607
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: no way, Oh.

608
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: He didn't know. No. How old was he at that point,

609
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: probably almost thirty, So he didn't know you were his father.

610
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: No, No, he did a wonderful thing, Alec. He normally does.

611
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: Meet ups go very badly. You know that somebody brings

612
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: too much baggage. How come you left me?

613
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: And Mom?

614
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: We weren't good enough for you?

615
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: It's usually bitter. It's usually a bitter pill. Well, he

616
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: came and he gave me a clean slate.

617
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: He gave me a chance to earn my way into

618
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: his life, which was one of the kindest things anybody's

619
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: ever done to me. And he and I became very

620
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: close and we write extremely well. Because he's a better

621
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: musician than I am. Anybody tells you it's not genetic.

622
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Have him come talk. That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting.

623
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: He's a wonderful musician, much better musician than I am.

624
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: A really good writer. We're taking a break. Stay with us.

625
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Do you still have your band together, CPR?

626
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: Well, that's that band has evolved now into the sky

627
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Trails Band band. Now I am in two bands, So

628
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: the Lighthouse Band, that's the one I'm working with down

629
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: John right now. It's an acoustic band, mostly vocals. And

630
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: you here recording. Yeah, we're here recording right now. We're

631
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: making our second record. My other band, Skytrails Band. That's CPR,

632
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: me and Jeff p Var and my son James Raymond

633
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: and this jazz bass player from Estonia named my Eigen

634
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: Young really nice, brilliant bass player. And then Michelle Willims

635
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: again because she's a stunning singer. She's an amazing singer.

636
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, these two bands are the results of being

637
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: getting out of CSM. And it was a very tough

638
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: decision because streaming was taking away half our money. The

639
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: other half was live performance with CSN and I couldn't

640
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: do it anymore, and so I quit. And are you

641
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: just as happy or do you miss I'm so happy SNN?

642
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Not at all.

643
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: Really, these people are much better writers and much better

644
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: singer than those guys are now right, These people still

645
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: love it, They.

646
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: Love making music. They're not doing it for a paycheck.

647
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: They're doing it because do you think the other two

648
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: are really just doing it for a paycheck at this point? Yeah? Yeah,

649
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing they do. What are

650
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: they going to do? Do you think that they're going to

651
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: follow you inform another band and keep going there? You

652
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: know they're working.

653
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 4: Stills was working with Judy Collins, he's been a friend forever,

654
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Speaker 4: and Nash be not working.

655
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Speaker 1: Were there people that you wanted to play with? Like,

656
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: was there a dream of somebody you wanted to play

657
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: with you and get to play with who do you

658
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: want to play with? Johnny? Really? And why didn't you?

659
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: She was my old lady.

660
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: I produced her first record. She arguably the finest singer

661
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: songwriter of our times. I think probably pretty definitely the

662
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: best writer, even better than Paul or either one of

663
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: the Pauls or Randy, or even better than James Taylor,

664
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: who is one of my real heroes in life. And

665
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: most people come down to it's her, Bob, And she's

666
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: so much better musician than Bobbs.

667
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Bob's a great poet. She's a great poet and a

668
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: great musician.

669
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: Wow, stunning singer, which is all over now because she

670
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: got had a really bad thing happened to her.

671
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Dylan, but I worked with him. What was that like?

672
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: Was it everything you hoped they would be?

673
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: Bob is such a piece of work man. I went

674
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: in and he says, Hi, you do it, And he

675
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 4: kissed my wife's hand. She's never watched it since. And

676
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: he says, come on, let's.

677
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: Go do it. And I said, Bob, I haven't heard this. Oh,

678
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: come on.

679
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 4: Because he loves to get you out on the edge.

680
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: He wants that edge stuff. He wants it so I said, Bob,

681
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: you got to sing me this song. So he says, okay,

682
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 4: he sings me the song. I see, okay, now let's

683
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 4: go to it. So we go in the other room

684
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 4: and he does it completely different. He's such, he's really

685
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: he's a piece of work, trust me, and I love

686
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: him and I get along great with him because I

687
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: don't butter his toast.

688
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, I.

689
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: Think that's that's comfortable for him. People I'd love to

690
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: work with there are still a bunch man, but I

691
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 4: think the younger people still have a lot of joy

692
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: in it.

693
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: You know.

694
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: It's still really exciting for him, and that produces a

695
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 4: different quality of music.

696
00:36:49,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: Unquestionably, we had build back hold to our hour little

697
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Speaker 5: hard guy here the night.

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Speaker 2: M h.

699
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Speaker 5: That's sign from young bird here, that's entry somebody here exactly.

700
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: Right when we returned some of the truly great questions

701
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: you all submitted for this legend of rock and roll,

702
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: and a few of the less than great ones. I'm

703
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.

704
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Speaker 3: She shall be As she turned Bougis.

705
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Down this slope to the hall. We have some questions

706
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that were posed by people on our here is the

707
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Speaker 1: thing Twitter side. Yeah, you know, we went on on

708
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: our Twitter page and we asked people and it really

709
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: worked like a charm. You were kind of amazed how

710
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: many people We're gonna bring me the questions, bring those

711
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: in here? But ah, is that you, Adam? I want

712
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: to picked us a couple of these that I really

713
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: really liked. One of them is from a woman named

714
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Barbara Fisher, and she says, one of my all time

715
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: favorite albums of yours is A Thousand Roads. Did you

716
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: have any thoughts of what inspired you to write these songs,

717
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: especially Hero? Was this a generalization? Was it a commendation

718
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: on someone specific that inspired you?

719
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Speaker 4: I wish it were actually Hero. I'm not really sure

720
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: what I was talking about. What happened is I was

721
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: working on that set of words until Collins heard him

722
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: and he wrote the music. And this is the closest

723
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 4: I came to ever having a hit. Really, I never

724
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: have it because I write the weird shit. I'm not

725
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: really sure what I was talking about. I wish I

726
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: could give you a clear and concise answer what I

727
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: was trying to say, but I'm not sure.

728
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Speaker 1: Bill Vora Nicos and Bill if I mangled your name,

729
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I apologized Bill Vornicos. I think this is a funny question.

730
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Who was a rival artist or band during the sixties

731
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: or seventies that you couldn't stand or thought sucked other

732
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: than Jim Morrison. Did you think Jim Morrison sucked? Yeah? Absolutely,

733
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: really poser, really poser. You thought he was not a

734
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: good singer, not a good singer? No, no, why do you?

735
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't think he was a good singer.

736
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: And when you say that, who is a good singer

737
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: to you? Oh? Man, I mean other than the three

738
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: of you? Who's a good singer?

739
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: James Taylor?

740
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: Wow, brilliant singer? Well, because he's just more honest, more straightforward?

741
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: What what?

742
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: What? Much more talented? Wow? No, Morrison was a poser.

743
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: Anybody that wants up having a wave their dick at

744
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: the audience, you know, it's like they're pretty desperate.

745
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: He was a poser.

746
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 4: Trust me. I That band was no good. They never swung. Ever,

747
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: they didn't have a bass player. He played terrible bass

748
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 4: on a keyboard, really badly, and it was awful.

749
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Speaker 1: I don't like him.

750
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Speaker 4: I never There were bands earlier than that that I

751
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: didn't like. Paul Overer in the Raiders. I mean, come on,

752
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: I set the bar pretty high. The people that I

753
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: liked were Jimmy Hendrix and Janis Joplin and cass Ellie

754
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: had Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan.

755
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's those are your basic box set of the greatest.

756
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: Those are all my friends, and there are all people

757
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: that I think are really talented.

758
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: No, I didn't like the doors at all. Well, we

759
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: have a woman here the question. I'm motivated by you

760
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: because you were so blunt about Morrison. I'm so blunt

761
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: about this question. Her name is Renee Champagne. Now that's

762
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: that's a that's a cool name, Renee Champagne. But the

763
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: question is a terrible question. She says, what is the

764
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: most memorable moment of your career so far? And why?

765
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: That's a terrible question.

766
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: When you are terrible question and you get those two

767
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: right now, and we try to explain to him, and

768
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 4: when you get into the good stuff, it's all apples

769
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 4: and oranges. There isn't a best. Clapton wasn't better than Hendrix.

770
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: Hendrix wasn't better than Clapton.

771
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: I got another one here that I really really liked.

772
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: John Packer. Is his name? Our contributor here from Twitter,

773
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: John Packer said, Hugh Masekela described how you helped him

774
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: move out of addiction and how that transformed his life.

775
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: How did he find you? Cass?

776
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: Cass Elliott, the same person introduced me to Graham and

777
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: one of my best friends.

778
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: In the world, A truly wonderful woman. Yeah.

779
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: She introduced me to Hugh and he and I and

780
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: she used to hang out together a lot. Hughes was

781
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: a very talented guy. He played on Rock and Roll Star.

782
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: That's his trumpet on Rock and Roll Star.

783
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't want you to answer these questions, but I

784
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: just want to read them to you because that's so

785
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Jeffrey Paris says, if you had six

786
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: fingers instead of four, what will we hear from your guitar?

787
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Paris used to be the captain on my boat.

788
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: Is this somebody you know? Oh?

789
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: I know, very somebody you know. He's one of my

790
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: best friends.

791
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: If you have six fingers on your hand rather than

792
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: for what will we hear from your guitar?

793
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: Clapped it?

794
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: Is he somebody you admire? Oh?

795
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: Hell yes, But more than his musicianship, I admire his courage.

796
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: What happened to him, would have put me back on.

797
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: He didn't go. He stayed sober in the face of that.

798
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: My god, man, that's courage. He's a very brave guy.

799
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 4: And you know, most people just have never really looked

800
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: at it and thought about what it must have taken

801
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: from him. But I admire his courage as much as

802
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: I admire his guitar playing. And I think he's an

803
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: even better singer than he is a guitar player.

804
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: Three last questions. Gloria Bernstein, who's a friend of mine.

805
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: Gloria Bernstein wants to know what's your favorite movie of

806
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: your dad's.

807
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: But the one they got the Academy Award for it

808
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: is also a stunner. It's called Taboo, and it was

809
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: a black and white silent movie.

810
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: It's that far back. You ever visit him on the set?

811
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lots of Yeah, yeah.

812
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: I wanted to do your job. Man.

813
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you didn't. I'm so it worked out

814
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: well for all of us.

815
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, it's not easy for every part in

816
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: film and TV. There's a thousand people trying.

817
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: One last question from these, what are five albums you

818
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: could never do.

819
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 4: With Jony's Blue Asia, Steely Dan, my favorite band, sad

820
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,479
Speaker 4: that he died not I'm friends with Donald and Though

821
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: and I got to give two to Steely.

822
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: Dan, Gaucho.

823
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 4: Pepper's Starry Peppers loved a classical piece called Theme from Thomas.

824
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Tallis very fun. William, so you know about that. I'm

825
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: the announcer for the New York Philharmonic. You're on public radio.

826
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: I love that. How is your health and what recommendations

827
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: do you have to people, especially people in your business,

828
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: to take better care of their health. I think a

829
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: lot about that now what I might have done?

830
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, my health has always been a

831
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: very serious issue. I had a hepatitis. See, I had

832
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: to have a liver transplant. I spent seventy two days

833
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: in the hospital at UCLA before they saved my life.

834
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: Oh is it really pretty pretty terrible? I've been a

835
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: diabetic for thirty years at least. My doctor, who is

836
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: a crusty old guy at UCLA named Gary Geitnik, you

837
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: gotta do better with his diabetes.

838
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Ok, Gary, thank you? How do I do that? He said?

839
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Eat less food?

840
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 4: I said, oh, Gary, thanks, that's so simple. Oh wow,

841
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: you cleared it right up for me. You're so kind

842
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: you ask eat less food. I mean it, you're eating

843
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: too much. Turns out he's right. There's a delay period

844
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: between when you're actually full and when you feel ful

845
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: about twenty minutes, and you keep eating because it tastes good.

846
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: So what I do is I order a regular meal.

847
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: I don't order sugar, but I order a pretty regular meal,

848
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: and then I eat half of it. And I went

849
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 4: from two forty seven and I've been here for two years.

850
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: Do you campaign for people, for candidates ever anymore?

851
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: I am very reticent about it because they turn on you.

852
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: I've been campaigning for a friend of mine named Dena

853
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: Steele down in Texas. She's running where it's home for

854
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: you now you live where Sentien is up by Santa Barbara.

855
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: I've been campaigning for Dana because she's a friend and

856
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: I know she's an honorable person, and she's running for

857
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: Congress in the thirty sixth district in Texas, and I

858
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: think she might win, even though she's an uphill battle.

859
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

860
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes if I know the character.

861
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Of the person, I have to do something with you

862
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: that'd be fun. I'd love it too. Man out Nelly Alchemy,

863
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: I know it. You know, we've got to give it

864
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: a guy.

865
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 4: I love this country man.

866
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up.

867
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: I Am not going to roll over and put my

868
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 4: paws in here. I Am going to keep fighting until

869
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 4: I am dead.

870
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: The inexhaustible creative engine that is David Crosby. He actually

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