WEBVTT - EYL #49 100 Bars & Running 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.600 An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.480 in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.840 accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.840 filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.680 some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.320 Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:28.120 Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.680 crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.960 one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. 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We're hitting all of 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.800 our major markets, so d C, d M V, Maryland, UH, Virginia. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.760 We are coming December seventh and December eighth. We got 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.440 a whole e y L weekend planned and we're having 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.040 a workshop on December seventh. Were two of our biggest alumni, 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.480 Mobile Homes Elite and I got Wall Street Travelers. So 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.160 we're gonna have a walk, a workshop about investing in 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.360 mobile homes, and a workshop investing in real est stocks 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.360 combined and MG the mortgage that will be there as well, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.400 so you never know, he might talk about Now it's 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.120 gonna be a whole vibe and then and then so 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.560 then that's Saturday, and then Sunday we're going to have 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.760 our very first live podcast ever and we're going to 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.520 do it a Capital One Arena. That's where the Wizards play, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.240 and they're giving us they're giving us the court. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.639 They give us court. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.520 And then what they're gonna do is that anybody that 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.520 comes to the podcast, they get tickets to the game 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.920 right after the podcast. But it's not just a regular game. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.799 They play the Clippers, and the Clippers have one of 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.880 the best teams in the league, one of the best 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.760 players of all time, Kawhi Leonard and Load Management will not. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:35.440 Management. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.200 Kawhi's playing, Paul George is playing, so yeah so and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.920 we're also going to live stream the workshop too for 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.080 fifteen dollars, pretty much giving it away. So if you're interested, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.560 go to unier Lesion dot com under the events tab 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.280 and all of the information is there. So all right, So, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.440 as I said, this is very special because you know, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.400 music is part of our man. We grew up on 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.360 hip hop specifically, and we just love music. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.560 So we talk. We always quote jay Z all the time. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.840 We always call all these rappers and because that's kind 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.440 of how we grew up and just listening to rap, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.400 that's how we learned. Some things we learned good, some 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.640 things we learned bad, but that's how we learned. So 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.799 my man, Mickey Facts is a perfect a perfect guest 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.000 for ey L. So he had a freestyle that about 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.120 three months ago went viral on social media and it 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.000 was with funk Flex and he was talking about credit 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.760 and when I saw the freestyle, a couple of people 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.200 had DM me like, YO, you should post this, you 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.960 should post this. So when I actually sat down because 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.560 a lot of times you get stuff, you only look 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.040 at it. So once the third person hit me, I'm 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.440 like I should Actually, that's three minutes of my time 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.680 to look at this. And then I looked at it, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.280 I'm like, Yo, this is dope. So I reposted it 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.360 and then it went crazy on my page and then 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.520 we connected and I'm like, yo, like, would you be 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.760 interested in coming on the show? He's like, yeah, for sure, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.360 So I'll run it down. He's a veteran, veteran in 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.840 the rap game over a decade of experience. He was 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.720 on the Double Excel Freshman of the Year cover. Yeah 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.040 for sure, two thousand and nine Freshmen. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.440 Right. Yeah, so Bronxe native, we can't forget that. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:22.920 Yeah. Yeah, you know Shout Corey. You know that's that's 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.279 the birthplace of hip hop. That's that's where it started. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.839 So yeah, man, just a veteran in the game. Have 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.920 been on major labels, independent labels, drop projects, worked with 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.840 some of the biggest names of hip hop. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.480 History, from Drake to Kendrick Lamar. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.680 Yeah yeah, so. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.599 You know, it's he's the perfect guest to have because 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.159 you know, when we talk about entertainment, a lot of 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.320 times people have aspirations of being in the entertainment business, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.760 but you know, they don't really know how to how 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.440 that works, right, And I was telling Micky off cameras like, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.159 there's a lot more people that could relate to his 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.200 story that could relate jay Z right, because as far 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.839 as being an independent artist and making a living for 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.040 yourself and going on tour and selling merch and all 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.080 of this stuff, there's all things that are viable career. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.080 You're making a living out of it, right. So it's like, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.280 as an artist, there's no mentorship and there's no blueprint. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.960 You're gonna give us some some some free games. So sir, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.520 first and foremost, Man, thank you, thank you for joining us. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.280 Absolutely, thank you for having me in man excited. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:29.040 Yeah. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.000 So all right, so we're gonna kick it off a 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.320 little different how we usually kick off the podcast. How 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.159 we're kicking it off, all right, So said this all 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.599 started with the Funk Flex Freestyle. So we're gonna try 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.680 to We're gonna have one up on flex, one up 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.720 on Flex. We're gonna very first, breaking history, very first, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.800 y l free style. Yeah, Man's gonna bless us with 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.719 a hundred boss Yeah. Yeah, Lisa and we're gonna and 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.920 we're going through it. So yeah, whenever you're ready. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.080 Man, okay cool. Uh So I'm doing this freestyle you 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.200 know what I'm saying off of band from TV. Shout 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:12.480 out to Norri, Nature, pun I, p Cam and Swiss 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:12.840 for making it. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.560 Thank you, you know what I mean. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.279 And I hit up for Shad. I was like, you know, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.599 I want you to pick the topic. I want you 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.280 to pick the beat, you know what I'm saying. So 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.479 Troy picked the beat. Rashad picked the topic. So you 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.520 know today we're gonna be rapping about you know what 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.840 I'm saying, entrepreneurs. You know what I mean. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:33.680 Man, Let's get it going. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:34.960 Let's do it. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.200 Guys. In nineteen. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:43.320 That's hour. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:45.360 Yeah. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.160 I saw what I did on the Flex Show, helping 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.640 the people get out of debt. Bro Shan gave me 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.000 a call and told me to flex Moe teach him 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.080 how to work for himself to get Joe said, Joe, 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.280 you can think ready for that? He said, Mick, give 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.880 yourself more credit than that. You tell them the facts. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.840 That's when I start remembering back working at a law firm, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.520 sort and mailing the fact going to work very poor. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.760 I'm making twenty k a twenty four. I can't take 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.280 it anymore. So I made it my business to make 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.960 my own business, create my own lane. That the game 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.720 happened witnessed before. I thought, is a good and a 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.480 bad guy, and I'm gonna give you both. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.600 Be a good and a bad guy. Let's start with 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.280 the good. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.200 Because you gotta find a niche example considered with mars 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.160 A Choir Twitch. It was other chocolate bars right in 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.440 the mix, but the company made tools. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.200 Womaning gyro rich. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.920 They saw with the need for something, so they created 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.480 a product who appease the public. But you gotta do 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.680 the same. Convent something in your own lane, create the 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.680 value for the customer you can gain. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:42.760 You could put a. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.720 Barber shop next to a lounge, or start a laundering 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.080 at in the college town. Got to know what you're 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.320 getting into with the creative research. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:51.400 Don't go and blind you. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.840 The your arrogance. A doctors can't start a business without 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.800 knowing its medicine, and author can't start a series without. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:57.400 Knowing the narrative. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.920 Experiment with the benefits of your market. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.480 Know your demographics. Who are you trying to start with? 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:04.120 What is your business plan? 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.240 Here's how you started. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:06.760 What is your company about? 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:07.840 What do you call it? 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.000 Lady out the services, tell us about the product. Flesh 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.560 out the numbers. What's your repende target and that's what 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.360 you make hid now subtract what you spens just to 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.160 make it. That's your profits and loss it yem sure, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.880 hold up. I might be stealing. God might give me 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.320 your ticket from all the speakings. I might get banned 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.960 from TV with this Preacher and Nor We're gonna have 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.320 to re release it as a remix and old sixty 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.599 five and mixtapes with DJ's walk back, he closing and 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.760 toes with a mean face. I had glasses, skinny jeans, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.160 gold supers. Cats saw that to said he had no future. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.079 But they were wrong because people were connected, they brought 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.839 into the brand and it was respected for checker. I 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.840 don't want DVA from the message. Let's get back to 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.319 this entrepreneur lesson. Sometimes people do it to get out 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.520 of stressing. Working for the man to them, whocomes suppressive. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.120 So they start a business for income play. But they 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.960 ain't worried about growth, so the income stays. The problem 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.560 is if they ever see an income raise, the iron 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.280 rest on their back. Now incomes grades. You gotta have 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.080 a good accountant. What does the duck pay yourself? Your 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.440 own salary? What is enough? Don't get too passive with 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.880 the money you clutch, or you gonna be a mechanic 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.320 going under the bus. Now let's talk about the bad 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.000 and what people don't tell your ninety seven percent of 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.000 businesses and the failure not because what they did. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.400 Wrong to other reasons. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.640 Let me breaking down people. You can go to a 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.600 neighborhood restaurant every other weekend the going siste kid because 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.000 the owners with the beegan but he wants to sell it, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.960 so the food is the season. Other customers see that 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.920 and start leaving. Now they gotta shut the business down 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.680 where you're eating because the founder they want to keep it. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.640 Another example to believe. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.600 In is how how you rules the product to those 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.240 who need it? Is it like breathing? Is it worth 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.480 pulling my wild out with the feasons? Or should I 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.760 pass des I ain't got financial freedom. See the things 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.720 you gotta take in account. A real entrepreneur is never 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.360 wait in it out. They start one company, let it 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.520 make in them out, and then sell it before it 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.520 gets placed in the trout and start another company. Every 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.000 couple of years after and you can repeat those steps, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.600 kind of like staying mastered. This is not actually taught. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.240 These are gems that I'm dropping. Hope they actually get caught. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.319 Another thing, Stop trying to ask for support. If your 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.920 product is good, then it's practically brought. So if your 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.520 man done something and you feel that is basic and 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.840 you don't support it, being enforced it with a statement, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.559 invest in their dreams and state this. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.200 The best way to predict the future is for you 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:27.920 to create it. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.480 And this is for the work of bees. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:30.440 Don't get cocky. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.120 You get paid for your work. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.080 Don't be snappy. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.960 Don't ask to be the bossy whole shits sloppy because 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.120 a brand new fighter just won't hit rocky. Ownership's not 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.880 a reward for work. That's the paycheck. The ownerships of 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.120 rewards for risks. That's the apex ostead of double tapping 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.240 asses and muscles. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.920 Google and research the past to the hustling. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.480 Get you a mentor and asks about the struggle and 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:52.600 learn from mistakes. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.160 Don't brag. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:53.960 Keep a subtle. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.880 The last freestyle had the last Nigga puzzle. I ain't 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.880 rap about a ring and how a flash. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:10:59.160 On my knuckles. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.200 A couple of people said that they was trapped in 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.679 the bubble till they heard my freestyle, and they asked 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.000 us to double some education and gets you a portions 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.400 self education and get you a fortunate want to get rich. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.360 It's a passion. Trust me, and some people so poor 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.439 all they really have is money. This verse ain't facetious. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.520 Take that lyric down and break the words and pieces. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.320 Get you a nice life. Work cohesion, get you one 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.160 step closer to earn your leisure. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:35.720 Heard you heard it? Listen, listen, listen, don't ever play yourself. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.080 Listen one take only Nickey Fast is burned down my house. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:43.360 Man. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:49.079 I'm glad I got insurance. Lisia has been earned, y'all 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:56.320 shy man. That was first time ever. Yeah, first time 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.200 ever or alsia. Yeah, they're gonna be hitting us out now. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:05.000 Yeah yo yo, I was the first. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.120 Yeah yeah yo. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.400 Just listen to my demo. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.680 Bro, No, that was dope. That was that was dope 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.240 for me. Man, Once again, thank you for that. I 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:12.920 appreciate it. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:13.280 Absolu. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.800 So yeah, this is gonna be. This is this is 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.200 dope because all so we got the freestyle and just 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.360 burned it, burned it down completely, and now we're gonna 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.280 go into the to the interview part of it to 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.040 let people know who you are, and then also to 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.839 to give information for for artists out there that that. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.520 May not know the game. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.439 We said, it's not something that's taught. There's no manual 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.440 for it. People learning on the fly, and forefathers before, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.600 you know, maybe they were learning on the fly as well, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.160 so they didn't pass it down. So we're gonna get 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:41.720 into that today. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.680 So can we talk about your journey? So it's interesting. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.040 So you were saying you was, you was in college 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.679 and she was in n y U and I guess 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.280 after one year you just figured that school route wasn't 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:51.880 for you, right. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.640 Yeah, I mean I was. I was studying law, you know, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:13:01.880 and paralegal studies specifically, and I remember being in the 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.440 front of criminal justice class drinking a triple shot of 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:12.240 espresso with my coffee still falling asleep, and you know, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.280 I feel like, you know, and just education works for 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.520 some people, but for others is to retain some knowledge. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.200 It's just it just didn't work for me in that way. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.719 So I decided that, you know, I was going to 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.480 take something that I was doing as a hobby seriously. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.200 So I was like, you know what, let me just 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.640 you know, at the time, I managed it and my 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.199 and I was like, yo, if you really want to 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.880 do this, you gotta be serious and quit. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.120 So you started college already doing the music thing. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.760 Yeah, I was already doing music before I went to college. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.200 I had prolonged college for like six years. I had 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.760 went two thousand and seven. I had graduated high school 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.640 two thousand. So as soon as I got to college, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.040 I deal with most black people do they just get 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.559 a job because they want to get to the money. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.280 You know, they want money. So I went and worked 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.760 for six years and then and I was like, all right, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.040 let me go to school to make my mother happy. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.000 But it didn't make me happy. So I just kind 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:06.360 of left. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.200 Twenty four thousand a year. Couldn't take it. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.120 I was, yeah, it was literally and this was five 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.040 four five was making twenty four thousand a year, you know. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.319 So so all right, so you decided to drop out 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.760 of school. What is it like, what's your next steps 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.280 in order to pursue your music career. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.480 I mean at that time, the internet was just butting 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.560 and I buzzn't Yes, I was on MySpace heavy, and 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.480 we were changing top eights. We was making people change 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.160 their top aids, you know what I'm saying. And we 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.640 just kind of we I had a graphic design person 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.920 who knew how to work with the HTML and had 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.600 our backgrounds looking good. So we was, you know, we 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.720 was a kind of ahead of the game in that aspect. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.640 So when people would go to my page, they would 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.720 see it was completely different from what other myndspace pages were. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.760 And we were also utilizing Facebook and Twitter around this time. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.920 This is before it was like what it is today. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.360 So we were using the internet when when hip hop 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.440 wasnouncing the internet like hip hop was denouncing. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.480 It at that time, music is being stolen. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.720 Music was right, it was being pirated still, but people 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.880 were still purchasing. It didn't go into the era of 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.440 free music just yet, like you could get freestyle like 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.480 people who still buy music, but people would go on 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.080 these sites to get freestyles and certain videos, you know 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.200 what I'm saying, Because there wasn't I think iTunes was out, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.720 but it wasn't like concrete just yet. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.920 Yeah, so you built a team around you. Yeah, so 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.800 who's consistent in this team In the early. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.160 Days, it was a Saint he was my manager and 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.480 creative director. Then I had Steve O who was also 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:43.800 creative director, slash A and R. I had a stylist Quas, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.720 I had a producer, Precise. I have my own personal assistant, Lakita. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.080 I had a hype man. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.000 So how did all this come about? 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:53.160 Though? 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.120 As far as like, you leave college, I'm assuming you 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:55.960 don't have any money. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.840 I had ten thousand dollars save, all. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.360 Right, So how do you fund the operation? At the 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:01.160 beginning stages? 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:07.040 I mean in two thousand and seven, from what I remember, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.800 we I put all my money into a project called Flashback, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.720 which was basically wrapping over old school beats, but we 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.720 had my producer remake them to be newer. We wanted 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.400 to get DJs to but DJs were too expensive, so 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.320 we just basically created it and put it on my Space. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.640 When we saw it didn't do anything, we put it 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.480 out July twenty seven, two thousand and seven. We saw 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.080 it didn't do anything, I started working on another project 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.000 called Heaven's Fallout, and I sampled the Geico commercial beat 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.400 you know what I'm saying, and I wrapped over that. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.400 When I wrapped over that, it started to gain attention 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.960 because it wasn't a typical hip hop beat. Then I 0:16:53.080 --> 0:17:01.400 sampled Arms the Arms Race remix which Kanye on it, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:08.360 and the Fallout Boys and Gym Class Heroes. The Gym 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.919 Class Heroes and fall Out Boys management heard that and 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.560 called me up. I was like, okay, we want to 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.600 make you a part of this team, you know, we 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.600 want to manage you. And this is all off my 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.600 space and this is like unheard of around this time. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.359 And then I put another record out called Stop Me. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.399 I sampled Daniel Merriwether and then I sampled another track 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.040 called Tokyo Shit. When I did that, that's when Fader 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.560 picked me up. And then after once Fader picked me up, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.840 mind you, this is no. I didn't have no money. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.439 We haven't spent a dollar yet. Once Fader picked me up, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:48.320 everybody picked me up. You are b Billboard, Rolling Stone, Vibe, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.160 the Sauce Sauce in Double Xcel were actually the last 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:53.040 people to pick me up. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:53.720 But at that. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:59.520 Point we were using the Internet when other rappers really weren't. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.720 Like it was a couple of us like Me Cuddy, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.760 the cool kids, cool kids. Well while a we were 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.160 like the ones using the Internet to get out whereas 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.320 there was like at that time, it was like fifty 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.600 cent Kanye. They were all still doing the traditional. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.800 They were still like a crew love type situation, right, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.600 like the crew was hot and then somebody from that 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.399 crew was goawing off and blow up. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.840 But also the labels just didn't know how to maneuver 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.520 it on the Internet. They tried to fight napster, they 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.640 tried to fight technology. They they tried to fight all 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.919 of that, and they didn't realize like they were guys 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.520 that were more popular than me in the streets. But 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.560 I was touring like I was traveling. I went to Japan, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.520 I went to China before I performed in New York 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.240 City by myself, you know what I'm saying. Because I 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.720 had fans all over the place, and DJ's at the 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.000 time in New York City were charging way too much money. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.080 I just couldn't afford it. So I made the Internet 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.240 my fan base. And then when I did that, I 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.000 started putting a song a week out every week. I 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.119 put a new song out every week for free. And 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.040 when people saw the work ethic on that, it just 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.640 kind of was like a mushroom. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.399 When you say DJs was charging too much, you mean 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.520 in the sense of DJ's playing the records on the radio, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.879 or DJ's making actual records for you. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:18.200 DJ's playing the records on the radio, DJs to take 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.960 your song and put it on a mixtape, DJs to 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.919 host your mixtape, DJs to play the music in the club, 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.000 DJs to play the music at events. DJ is just 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:29.880 they hear the song. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.320 They wanted money, So that's crazy. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.520 Payola, Paola, that's a real thing. Payola is a real thing. 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.480 If anybody's not payola. That's when you pay people to 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.240 play music on radio station. It's a federal offense. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.160 Right, it is a federal offense. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.000 So people really do that, you know. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:50.879 It's one of those things. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.080 It's one of those things where incriminated. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.840 No, no, I mean, I mean, it's one of those 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.560 things where like if you hear a song on the radio, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.560 I'm I mean, first of all, I believe all of 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.840 us in here, we grew up in the era of 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.840 the nineties and the two thousands, Hot ninety seven. It 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.439 wasn't power one five at that time. We all am not. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.280 We all tried to call up the Hot ninety seven. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.280 Any of us ever get through, No, no. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.239 Never, I've never trying to call when when DJ red 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.880 Alert was on Kiss FM, and did you ever get through? 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:22.400 Never? 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.280 Man, never, and you're not gonna you weren't gonna get 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.040 through because it's already a programmed kind of situation. The 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.719 music is already programmed for what they're gonna play. Program director, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.119 they already the songs are already programmed to play because 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.399 of how popular it was already it already was, or 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.679 because the label paid for that. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.919 M So all right, that's interesting. I didn't know that 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.760 even to for the DJ to either hear your record. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.760 All you ever hear is like, yo, I don't take money. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.720 I don't take a DJs have too much power, not anymore, 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:56.320 they used to. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.200 They used to have tons of power. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.440 Yeah, because I would imagine, like and there was a 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.440 certain time when DJs would break the record right right now. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.840 Like the internet's breaking the record. 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:06.720 I mean, people break their own records. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.399 I mean, I mean when I was when I was 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.119 on Jive, I was frustrated because I was like, they 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.040 wanted me to do the DJ stuff and DJ and 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.679 I wanted to say I'm not against DJs, but I 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:24.119 felt like it was archaic because like at some point, 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.680 like people are not going to go to the radio 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.800 to listen to music anymore. They're all now they're listening 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.200 to music on Spotify, they listening to music on Title, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.920 They're listening to YouTube, you know YouTube. So I felt 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.760 like it was archaic and they didn't want to hear 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.440 me at the label. They was like, now you still 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:40.480 gotta do it, You still got to do it. 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.600 I was like, Okay, you know what's crazy is that, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.639 Like the first time I heard about Takashi was like 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.360 I think a year and a half ago, and it 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.960 was Uncle Murders Yearly Week. He does like the Yearly 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:55.320 Reek after so he's mentioned his name. And when he 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.119 mentioned his name, like, I like googled him, Like I 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.920 looked on Instagram. And when I looked on Instagram, he 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:04.280 had two million followers. So I'm like, how does he 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.760 have He's from Brooklyn, he got rainbow head YEP. I'm like, 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.400 that's I say that to say, I was so out 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.359 of the loop. Two million people had already been follow him, 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.560 He's on tour overseas. He was already hot, and I 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.480 only heard about him because of Uncle MURDA said his 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:19.960 name was way bigger than Uncle Murder. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.000 The radio is only playing twelve records. If you listen 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.000 to it, it's just twelve records over and over, just 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:26.800 the time span and then like they have maybe a 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.440 new at two section that's like forty five minutes throughout 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.360 the day. Most people in their cars, it's the same 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.840 records over and over. Unless they're doing like a show, 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.560 like an interview that's coming on, that's it. Yeah. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.560 I mean, I mean, like like with Rashaw just said 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.000 like this, I find new artists and I be shocked 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.040 that they have over five hundred thousand followers. I find 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.280 new artists all the time and they just have tons 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.600 and tons of followers and they sell out venues they don't. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.159 And I'm one million percent sure they didn't pay a 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.680 DJ to be on the radio. They didn't pay anybody 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.760 to make it happen. They just kind of had their 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.160 own following. People brought into their brand, like I said 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.160 in the rap, and they were connected to it and 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:06.440 that's what made them pop. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.639 That's one of the things I think Brooklyn Johny has 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.120 said that He's like, you want to make it get 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.840 hot where you are right in your town, then the 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.760 city will be in love with you, and then your 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.919 state will find you and then by that time the 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:19.200 industry will come get you. Yep. 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:20.399 That's how it works. 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.000 So all right, So in the next second, we're going 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.159 to talk about your experience going from a major to 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:28.479 be an independent or everything in between. All right, So 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.360 you was telling me that you actually have an interesting 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.119 experience because you you've seen all sides of the game. Yes, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.560 from from living the high life being on major labels, 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.840 to having endorsement deals from Fortune five hundred companies yep, 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.440 to be an independent and having to grind it out yourself. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.480 So all right, can we talk about your experience on 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.080 on the major labels and how did that work out 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.280 for you? Is it like because everybody talks about majors 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.399 and majority of people that always talk about majors is 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.359 always it's interesting to me, Like even when Kissing was 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:02.600 on the radio a few years ago and they said 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.160 that they was gonna like throw pop off a roof 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.760 and all that, it's interesting because everybody has bad to 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:17.040 kiss that beautiful, But everybody always has negative things to 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.440 say about major labels, but everybody always signed to major labels. 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.600 Yeah, you know I heard Jim like Jim Jones was 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.800 probably one of the biggest independent artists, right, and he 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.919 had you know, independent independent until recently he's like, yo, 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.080 you need the major because there's certain things that they 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.800 can provide that you can't as an independent artist. 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.200 So your your experience, how was it being on because 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.400 you're on a few majors, how was how was that experience? 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.600 I mean it was it was a great experience, and 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.280 then it was like a weird experience. So the great 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:52.160 experience of it was it was more clout for everybody basically, 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.399 so like once you say a job recording artists mickey facts, 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.600 it's like, ah, everybody's all over you. You know what 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.640 I'm saying. But essentially what it is is a bank loan. 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.200 You know, they give you a lot of upfront money 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:11.120 and you use that money to live off of and 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.439 fund your project. You know what I'm saying. Use that 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.159 and so they give you half upfront and that half 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.760 of whatever you sign for is to live off of. 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:21.640 That's the events. 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.639 That's the events, and then the other half of the 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.480 money is for your marketing budgets and whatever else that 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:35.280 you spend studio time, features, production, things like that. And basically, 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.040 if you run out of your money, of the upfront 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:44.000 advance money. Then you have to kind of grind it out, 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.199 but it's limitations on what you could do because the 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.639 label still owns your name, content and things of that nature. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:52.320 Before. 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.080 But one thing with me, like before I did my deal, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.320 I had to hond a commercial, I had a sponsorship 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.960 with Puma, I had EA sports scenarios, so I had 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.000 my own merchandise. So when I signed to Jive Battery, 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.919 they couldn't take They couldn't three sixty me because I 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.399 was already moving and I was already already had certain 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.400 situations put in place. So that was the good part 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.399 of it, you know, and being able to meet people 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.280 that were in the industry, go to their parties, the events, 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.280 and and you know, eat for free and things like that. 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.359 But you know, when it was time to kind of 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:35.040 put the music out, Jive had folded. So everybody that 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:39.240 was on job at the time, justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, myself, 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:41.720 there was a couple other artists that was on it, 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.679 like big pop artists, like they were a big pop label. 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:49.080 We all were in limbo. So I got moved to 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.880 RCAA and had a whole nother team, a whole nother deal, 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.160 and it was rough because it was people there who 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.399 didn't believe in the project in the first place to 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.600 sign me. You know. So I I did a record 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.480 with John Legend at the time. I did a record 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.359 with Bruno Mars, did a record with Yellow Wolf, and 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.879 they just didn't the an R just wasn't fans. 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:09.720 They didn't understand me. 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.879 They didn't understand it because he wasn't invested into it. 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:14.000 Coach Chilling Labels. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.119 So one thing, one thing that you said was interesting. 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.960 Because, like I said, we we grew up on hip 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.040 hop and like even in my brain like I have, 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.400 it's weird, like somebody else say something and then lyric 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.680 triggers that I remember from fifteen years ago. So one 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:32.439 of the greatest rappers of all time Cannabis right, he 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:32.879 is one of. 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:38.760 The greats from last six It was pretty crazy. 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.119 It didn't work out for him, but people won't remember him. No, no, no, no, 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.119 he's one of the great that boy. But one of 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:46.520 the things that he always said that stuck with me. 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.359 He said, he said, did you actually your label if 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.520 it was with Coopable. I'm sure the vehicle was probably beautiful, 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.160 but did you actually like label if it was with Coopable. 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.840 So you talked about like the events, So can you 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.919 just break that because I'm actually interested to know, Like, 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.680 they give you a million dollars, right, right, but that's 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.879 your budget, yes, So now out of that million dollars, 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:05.920 your studio time is. 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.760 On the second half of the budget. So if you 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.600 get if I had a million dollar deal, I would 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.359 get five hundred thousand up front, and out of that 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.200 five hundred thousand, automatically, my attorney has to get paid, 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.840 my manager has to get paid, my accountant has to 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.760 get paid. They keep the other five hundred thousand dollars 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.280 to do everything that needs to be done in terms 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:30.240 of marketing, studio time, features, and then the other Well, 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.960 if it's five hundred thousand that I keep, I would 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.600 probably keep three seventy five after paying everybody out. And 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.400 with that three seventy five, I shouldn't go and buy 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.280 a chain. I shouldn't go and buy a car, a 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.760 super expensive car. At least I should buy something that's 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:52.000 practical by home by a practical car, and wait until 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.880 you know you're touring and you start seeing publishing and 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.360 things like that, because it's basically a loan and it's taxed. 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.200 Also, it is taxed, So the three seventy five is 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.080 really like two fifty. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.320 I can you could have it taxed, or you can 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.200 take it up front and handle it on your own. 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:10.840 I took it all up front and handled it on my. 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.000 Own and pay the taxes laid on. 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:12.360 Yes. 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.360 So when a label says that when we hit a 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.120 lot of times, they were cooping the money, how's that happen? 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:17.280 Right? 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.800 They're recooping the money off of your record sales? 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.880 All right, So the money that they gave you as advance, 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:24.560 they're taking it back from what you sold. 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.040 Yes, in the event that you sell, In the event 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.080 that you sell, in the event that you don't, in 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.000 the event that you don't, you in the red. They 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.200 could write you off as a tax as a as 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:38.880 a tax right off, or you're in debt, you're on 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:39.960 the label, you're in the red. 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.960 Yeah, So how is it as far as label politics? 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.120 As far as because you said when you switched labels, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.280 the other label didn't believe in in the project the 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.880 way the first label did, right, So, like I always 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.360 wanted it this too. Where it's like people push their 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.200 albums back, Like how did what is it to say? Okay, 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.120 you're green lit for a release in April? 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:00.800 Do you coming out? 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.640 Like how does that look from the inside, Cause a 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.960 lot of people we just see from the outside of fans, 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.040 this person's album keeps getting pushed back or this person 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.920 quick but we don't know, like the single might not 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.120 have worked, or they wanted him to go in a 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.320 different direction, Like how does that work at that right? 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.080 A lot of times it's analytics that people that the 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.000 other people in the office is you know, doing. So 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.360 they'll put a record out for a feeler or you know, 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.040 to to test it at radio to see what's going on, 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.239 what's the response, and if they're not getting another if 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.560 they're not getting a good enough response, they're not gonna 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.760 start putting gasoline to the fire because the fire is 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.640 already out there. When the song is on the radio, 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.920 it's in the DJ pool, it's uh, you you send 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.840 it to the tastemakers or whatever, but the consumer hasn't 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.440 gotten to the record just yet. So they used to 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.760 have a mixed show. Now everything is streaming, you know 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.760 what I'm saying, But before it was all mixed show 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.239 taste makers. You had to do DJ meetings, you know, 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.280 go to the go to different cities and go to 0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.120 the the radio station and talk to the DJs and 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.800 basically beg them to play the record and they would 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.120 play it during the mixed show hour, which would be 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.240 before prime time five to seven. The DJs have free 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.600 range to kind of play whatever they wanted to play, 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.760 and if there was enough impact on the record, they 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.280 were added into rotation. After the label would then put 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:24.680 money behind the song, so the label would make their 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.400 money back off of licensing the song. The label makes 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.840 their money back off of the radio spins. The label 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.920 makes their money back off of the publishing sometimes the 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:38.360 royalties and as well as album sales. So that's how 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.920 the label went. But then when they when they when 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.160 they saw that Napster was coming around, that's when they 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.600 started the three sixty deal. So I need ten percent 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.280 of your taking. I need ten percent. 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.800 Of everything basically, So like when you said they could 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.960 make it back off the album, is that when the 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.240 points come into play. 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.320 Yes, that's what points come into play, and everybody gets 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.920 a point. So basically you give a point to this 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.760 producer for making a beat or if they made like 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.360 if I paid Swiss to do three beats, I would 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.840 give him a point on the album along. It's like 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.640 you get ten to twelve points on an album album 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:17.240 and the points go One point goes to executive producer, 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.760 one point goes to another executive producer, then you give 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.000 one to producers who make beats. You take like two 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:25.640 to three points, and then the label keeps the rest 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.640 of it. Yeah. 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.080 Basically, so a guy like J Cole who produces the 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.400 album has no features and executive producer, he's keeping all 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:33.840 the points. 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.920 Yes, So what's difference between points and masters? 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.600 Masters are the master recordings that you own. So if this, 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.239 let's just say, Earn your Leisure was a studio and 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.800 I didn't sign a record deal. If I pay you 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:53.800 to record here, I own my masters. If I come 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.400 here for free to record here, Troy owns the masters. 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.239 You know what I'm saying. Rashard owns the masters. If 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.400 I sign a record label, if I signed a record label, 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.880 if I signed a record deal, I relinquished my rights 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.640 to the masters, depending on what kind of attorney I have. 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.360 So now black artists are now starting to be a 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.600 little bit more smarter and they want to own their masters. 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.520 But before everyone was intellectual and smart, people signed their 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.280 masters a way to get that upfront money, not knowing 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:26.800 that the master recording is basically and essentially the foundation 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:32.400 of owning your music and your money. So if for example, 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:37.160 I'll use outcasts for an example, I think they wanted 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:42.680 I think there was the label wanted to I think 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.280 license one of their songs for the super Bowl and 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:53.160 it was a very big record and a very big commercial. 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.880 Big Boy signed this licensing thing. The label signed it, 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.240 but Andre didn't want to say on it. So because 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:03.520 Andre didn't want to sign it, because they owned some 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.000 of their masters, because they made so much money, they 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.520 weren't able to use the record. 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.520 People don't even know that, Like Alcaz has the biggest 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.560 hip hop selling out of all time. Right. 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.160 But in the event that they didn't own a portion 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.000 of their masters, the label could have said we're selling, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.360 we're licensing this song, and we're going to keep the 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:27.280 money and they get a piece of the money, right. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.440 And then and then the publishing is when the writing 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:34.480 the writing and right right, So in the composition. 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:39.880 Yes, So a lot of times people get publishing confused 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:40.800 when they read credits. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:41.239 Right. 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.040 So when you consider someone like Drake, right, people say 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.480 Drake has ghostwriters. And right when you look at the 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.520 credits and you see someone like Drake's name, you see 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.040 Aubrey Graham, right, and you see about ten of the names, 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:57.160 they're like, oh, Drake has nine other writers. No, Sometimes 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:01.839 I want to say, I want to say ninety nine 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.120 one hundred percent of the time he's writing his records. 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.239 I feel like that one time that you know. 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.800 He had reference track, say the entire entire song. 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.440 Yeah, that one time, I think I think it was 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.920 I think he was trying to give someone a shot exactly. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.480 You know what I'm saying. He was giving somebody a shot, right, 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.239 and it leaked. But when you see ten names on 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:30.000 the project, music is written, there's a producers write music. 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.160 It's not just producing you you're writing the music. So 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.759 they're writers on the song as well. And if it's 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.640 a sample, the people that they sampled are also in 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.920 the credits. They're writers as well. So I don't want 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.800 people to like you might see like if you check credits, 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.640 you'll see jay Z and and a bunch of other people, 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.400 but that doesn't mean people wrote jay Z's. 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.000 Lyrics probably make more money off the album. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.960 And you well, you see name on other people's but 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.600 you know, I actually listen. I challenged people to look 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:06.440 at them old albums and if you know some of 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.000 these rappers governments names. 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.480 That was That's exactly how I started knowing everyone's name. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.080 I would read the credits and like. 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:15.880 You have to open them up opening and you can 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.880 see who wrote it in the opening credits and all 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:20.960 of that. So all right, So this is an interesting 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:24.600 conversation because it's very complex and you obviously you are 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.399 a very intelligent person, right, but you're taking a kid 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.920 off the street with no education. How is he s 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:36.080 posted to navigate through masters, publishing points, budgets. 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:37.239 How do you have And. 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.799 It's something that nobody taught you when you came in 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:43.040 the game. Nobody taught me to know. 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.240 So it's like but a lot of it was also 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.239 because I was working at a law firm like you 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.040 guys are in the freestyle, So like I would give 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:55.200 my contracts to the junior partners at the firm and 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.000 we will all look at it together and they will 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.239 break things down to me. So I kind of understood 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.320 my contracts. So I had them checking my attorney's work, 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.400 you know, and I'm checking their work. 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Just go 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:49.400 to indeed dot com slash pod Katz thirteen right now 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.320 and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:56.680 on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring Indeed is 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.360 all you need for kids. 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:02.160 I mean, I wasn't taught a lot. I wish I was, 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.440 but you know, in this game, I just feel like, 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.920 you know, black men, for whatever reason, they're just not, 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:14.080 you know, reaching back, or maybe there is a disconnect. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.120 I don't want to say black men are not reaching back. 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.239 Maybe black men do want to reach back. But I 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.719 feel like there's a language barrier that has to be 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.239 kind of severed in order for us to kind of, 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.239 you know, interact with the younger generation. You know what 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.000 I'm saying. I feel like sometimes they're the younger generation, 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.799 they have this pushback to the older generation because they're 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:32.520 the gatekeepers. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:32.719 You know. 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.040 I went through that as a young artist. But if 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.560 an older artist would have came to me and been like, listen, 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:39.840 you need to do this, this, this, this, this is 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.040 that and that and that I would have listened. You 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.840 know what I'm saying. As far as your question, what 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:53.200 does a young kid do? Man, I mean I would suggest, 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:58.240 you know, being headstrong and trying to find a mentor. 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.000 That should be the number one thing to do, someone 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:07.280 who actually cares about your career, someone who actually knows 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.799 the business and knows what to do and how to 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.640 navigate around certain things. Because there is no retirement plan 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.760 in music. There is no fall one K plan in music. 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.280 There is no healthcare in music. There is no dental 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:26.719 plan in music. I have my own separate insurance. I 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.839 have my own I pay a lot for insurance. We 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.360 I have my own four one K plan, own life assurance. 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:36.319 You know, I have to take care of these things 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.640 myself because if I don't, nobody else will. 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.120 It's interesting you said that because like when we spoke off 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.480 camera and I was saying that, like Sequel is one 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.880 of our favorite rappers. So when he said, with no union, 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.879 no dental plan, I can't eat off one honey grant. 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:51.560 I got cavities, and I got cavities. 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.640 I need feeling, yo. So when you when when these 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.000 are things that know? Until Seguel said that I've never 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.960 even thought about it. Like, rappers have no union, right, 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.840 even actors have a union, yep, rappers have no I 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.360 heard nor saying like they like they should try to 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:07.239 have a rappers union. 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.239 It's imperative because. 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.680 It's like even on a label, do they do they 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:12.640 have benefits on a label? 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.319 Yes, you do get benefits on the label, but you 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.319 have to opt into it, you have to pay into it. 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:23.080 And again, once rappers get a check, that's it, man. 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:24.920 And is it the same if they get dropped from 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:26.439 the labels, Like if I get fired for my job, 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:27.960 obviously I'm not part of that anymore. 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.520 That's it what you're doing drop? Yeah, I mean it's 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:39.160 it's one of those things where they're taking uneducated, impoverished 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:44.719 black young men and young girls and throwing money in 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:50.520 their face. So think about us eighteen, nineteen years old, seventeen, 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:55.360 even twenty. If someone offers you a ton of money, 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.279 you're not thinking about four one K, You're not thinking 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.839 about health and arans because that stuff already comes out 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.760 your check. And it's interesting because I feel like most 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:08.359 Americans probably wouldn't think about that shit either if it 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.279 wasn't already taken out of the check. So you put 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.520 this stuff in front of a young black kid, They're 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.799 not thinking that. The first thing they're thinking about is 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:22.680 getting drippy, getting lived how fast can I didn't buy 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.040 a chain, like, I didn't buy a chain with my advance. 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.840 I did not. I wanted I wanted a place to live, 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.680 you know. I wanted my own place to stay, you know. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.360 And that was the first thing that I did, you 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.480 know what I'm saying. I didn't get a chain. I 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:36.880 didn't get a nice car. I had a free call 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.120 shout to Honda. But I didn't want any of that, like, 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.040 because I knew I had to recoup the money, and 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.800 I knew I had to live off of this money, 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:46.839 even though I had a booking agent. I knew at 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.400 some point that the hotness would dissipate, you know what 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:52.800 I'm saying, So I had to save and stack my bread. 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.080 And that's the thing too, Like you said, with the hotness, 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.000 a lot of times you feel like you're in and 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.600 you'll be hot forever, exactly like y'all got this, I'm 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.799 on top of the world, but in three years you're 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:05.680 not on top of the world. 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.120 Are you already spent your bread? Yep. 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.759 So it's like, what do you do You don't have 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:14.600 any formal education, and always said the music business. I 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.560 want to actually this because we like being in like 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.640 we're interviewing people now kind of like making all rounds 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.640 around the music industry. So I told Troy, I'm like this, 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.759 this music industry. I remember Chris Gotti told us this 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:28.400 when you interviewed them. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:28.920 Shout to Chris. 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.120 He was like this, this isn't a real industry. It's 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.000 the only place where you can be a high level 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:34.920 executive with no qualification. 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:36.759 Like you know what I'm saying. 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:38.280 You know that's true. 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.640 I mean it's we run into people and we're. 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.200 Like, really, like, how do you how you call? How 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.880 did this happen to give somebody a million dollar budget? 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.520 You don't, you're just friends with somebody, but you just. 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.040 You was hanging out with them and they. 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.920 Put you on intern and you learn here, and it's like, 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:58.120 we have a good you picked the right record, you 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.600 were there at the right time, and that happened to 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:01.399 a lot of guys, and. 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.520 You're a senior executive because you picked the right guy 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:04.399 at that time. Yep. 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.839 But then somebody else told us that that's kind of 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:13.760 done on purpose because the higher ups keep it unorganized, unprofessional, 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.560 because it's like a bunch of chickens just running with 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:18.040 the heck's cut off. The artist don't really know what 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.520 they're doing, but a lot of executives don't really know 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:23.719 what they're doing either, but the high level executive they know. 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.520 So if you keep if you keep them like kind 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.360 of drugged up, and they don't really know their later meetings, 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.840 and it's very it's not it's not a real business. 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.160 It's not run like a real meeting. No, it's real, 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:36.880 it's not run like a real business. 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.080 Like. 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.440 So I was going into the off I was going 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:43.160 into the label every like twice a week, and it 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.880 was to the point that people thought I was an 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.520 employee there because I just wanted to know what was 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.120 happening with my project every two days. I just needed 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.680 to know, you know what I mean. And that's how 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.279 I was able to have a great rapport with a 0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.520 lot of the people that were there. I was about 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.319 to call them co workers, but they were technically were 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.040 my co workers, you know. And you know, I feel 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.440 like artists just just just let things they just let 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.120 things go how it's supposed to go. 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.520 It's like, I just want to create the music. I 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:10.120 just want to create. 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:11.120 That's what Cheese says. 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.160 Jesz has a clip that's one viral on Instagram saying 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.160 that he got taken advantage of because he wasn't educated 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.279 pretty much paraphrasing, he wasn't educated on music business. He 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.480 had lawyers that screwed him over, and he felt he 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.279 felt intimidated to even let somebody know what was going 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.640 on because he's geezy, he's a snowman, so it's like 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.399 for him to get ripped off, it's embarrassing, and he 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.359 just went with it because he didn't know. 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:37.200 He didn't know what to do. 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.960 How do I tell somebody like I'm the snowman and 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.919 this little guy over here with a bow tie every day. 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.560 I Mean, it's frustrating because this should be some sort 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.919 of educational workshop for new artists that come into the game. 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.560 There's so many people that don't know anything about the 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.319 music business. And a lot of times these guys, they 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.880 some of these guys don't finish high school and they, 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:04.120 you know, they get into the game and they just 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.240 think the money's going to come in forever. But think about, 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.439 like if it comes at all, right, but think about 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.640 ten years ago. Who was here ten years ago then 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.480 and it's not here now, you know what I'm saying. 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.719 Or even twenty years ago like a mill like and 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.399 that's not a fact. That was twenty years ago. Yeah, 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.160 you know, and she was a talented artist, but she's 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.680 not here no more. Like I'm not saying that I 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.240 don't think I want to be here, you know, past 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:35.040 another ten years. But what I'm saying is, utilize this 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:38.440 time to ask questions. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.280 I feel like sometimes we're just so prideful. There's certain 0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.040 things that we just don't want to know or we're 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.799 too afraid to ask, you know what I mean. And 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:49.759 for me, I asked questions. I'm always curious as to 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.800 know why a certain person popped, or how a certain 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.240 person got hot, or how they got hot in their town, 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.560 what did they do to get to that next level. 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.719 I absorbed this information so I can take it. I 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.680 mentor like about ten or fifteen kids, you know what 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.000 I'm saying, young artists, because I feel like that wasn't 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.160 given to me, so I should give it back, you 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.560 know what I mean. And it's imperative that these kids 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:13.720 know these things because this this is our future. 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:15.000 That's a fact. 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:16.920 So that's a perfect sebuay into our last seven, we're 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.040 gonna talk about the independent game, what you got going 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.200 on now? And yeah, educate people want to be talking 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.200 about the major side, we're gonna talk about the Yeah, 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:26.840 all right, So in the last seven, we're going to 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.279 talk about the journey, your journey as an independent artist. 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:31.360 This is something I think is extremely valuable because, as 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.400 I said, there's a lot more independent artists out there, 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.400 especially now, millions of than are major label artists. So, 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.640 all right, how does it work being an independent artist? 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:40.839 Right? 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:46.360 As far as is it is it you fund the 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.800 stuff yourself or is it that they funded a hybrid approach? 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.240 Like, how does that work to be an independent artist? 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:56.560 I mean, there's different ways to be an independent artist. 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:58.920 The best way to just kind of explain is tell 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.120 my story real quick. I mean, after leaving the label 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:05.759 in twenty twelve, at the beginning of twenty thirteen, I 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:09.520 had ninety thousand dollars in the bank, and then at 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.840 the end of twenty thirteen, I had four dollars and 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.759 fourteen cents in my bank. Account. I made a song 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:15.920 about it's called four fourteen. 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:16.160 Yeah. 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.200 I say remember yeah, because I remember looking at the 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:26.279 bank statement like this is that's unbelievable, and that I 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:28.759 think my back was against the wall because, like we 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:34.680 said earlier, I didn't have any job experience from twenty thirteen, 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.520 well from twenty seven to twenty thirteen, so I'm looking 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.480 at six years of just not working, just doing music. 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.120 So I panicked. I tried to get a job. It 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.400 didn't work, so I was like, okay, I have to 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.680 be an artist. Even though I quit, I was like, 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.880 I'm not doing this anymore. And then I was like, oh, 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:54.319 I gotta pay rent. So from that point I had 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:59.440 to kind of figure out and navigate what my supporters 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:07.160 we're going to buy from me as a as a consumer. 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.840 So I realized that they appreciate my lyrics, they appreciate 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.799 my honesty, they appreciate merchandise, they appreciate seeing me. So 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:18.800 I had to create this whole. I had to basically 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.359 start all over again, and but I started all over 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.720 again with a cushion because I had a fan base, 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.680 so I had to make merch I spent all the 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:33.359 money myself. I funded everything myself with a little bit 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.400 of money that I had. You know, I was working 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.080 with new artists, you know, doing features and taking that 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.680 money and reinvesting it to be able to sustain a living. 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.360 And so now I'm in a position where it is 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.080 a hybrid situation where I fund some of it and 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.520 then I have soul Spasm funding some of it as well. 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.120 So it's a partnership would come together and then you know, 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:57.760 we split the costs down the middle. 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.319 Okay, so how is it as far as like, do 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.040 they distribute your music as well? 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.200 Yes, they distribute all my music on all streaming platforms 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.000 and they handle that side of it, so I'm able 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.600 to give them my whole catalog. They take a percentage 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.200 off of that catalog, and I get a check every month. 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.160 So everything you did prior to coming to the independently though, 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:20.160 you have. 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:23.560 I own? Yeah, I own everything, Yeah, even from the label, 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.640 because again I didn't sign a three sixty deal and 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.320 I was in the black. I was not in the red. 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:33.200 So all right, So as far as like press, do 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.600 you do you handle that yourself or is that you 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:36.200 get help with that? 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.440 I handled my press myself. I mean, on my last project, 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.319 we hired a publishers to do the work, and he 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:46.359 got me on you know, some some online sites and 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:51.200 some playlists on some streaming sites, and you know some 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.040 radio on serious satellite and things like that. So that 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:57.359 stuff always helps. But for the most part, a lot 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.960 of it is relationships, having your own relationships, building your 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.720 own relationships, so like I can hit Sway from Swaying 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.439 the morning on my own and be like I want 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.080 to come up there, or just even how I'm up here, 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:11.160 Like I hit Rashard myself and was like, yo, I 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:11.920 want to come up here. 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.600 You know. Yeah, how about Tory, I know you mentioned 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.120 you had a booking agent. That's still true or do 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:18.360 you handle that now yourself? 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.560 Yeah? I handle all my booking now. I mean I 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:23.480 had an agent last earlier this year, but it just 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:25.359 didn't work out the way I wanted it to work out, 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:29.640 and even previously I had agents before. But you know, 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:31.719 I have a baby on the way, I have a 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.680 wife at home, so if they're not booking me the shows, 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.719 I have to book my shows myself, okay. And I 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.960 hired promoters to you know, get the people in there. 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.720 Along with promoting on my own and making it happen. 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.520 And you know, running a van on my. 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.120 Own, you know you're putting the money up yourself. 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:50.680 Yeah, I put it up the money myself. 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:52.359 So all right the road. 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:56.279 So you talk about streaming, how much do you get 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.439 paid for stream Like what's that breakdown? Because I've seen 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.240 a bunch of different numbers on the internet, like a quarter, 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.359 a fraction of a penny for every stream? Is there 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.880 a set number that everybody gets for streaming? 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.400 Or yes, everybody gets the same set number. It's like 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.879 zero point point point point. No, it's point it's zero 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.040 point zero zero zero six. And then the numbers is 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:19.040 like pi three point four world, you know what I'm saying. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.680 But it's basically zero point zero zero zero six. And 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.000 then you have to make you have to stream so 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.279 much in order to see like a decent jack. 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.560 What's the what's the one that you get paid for 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:33.120 the most? Like streaming service? 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:33.720 Is it title? 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:34.239 They say? 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.879 Title is the is the morning the most? You get 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:39.440 paid the most from title? But you still need all 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.920 all streaming sites in order to get a decent jack. 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:47.600 You can't just put on title. So for instance, like 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:52.720 what my when my pay she comes in every month? 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:56.080 You know, it's not just title. It's title, it's Spotify, 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:59.240 it's Pandora, it's Apple Music, it's iTunes when people purchase 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.759 the music, which is always the best because you keep 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.839 eighty percent of the money. So if it's ninety nine cents, 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:09.480 you keep eighty cents of that. Apple takes twenty cents. Okay, 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:14.240 so that's that's the best. And then YouTube as well, 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:19.960 and Vimeo and TikTok. Now, so combine these seven to 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:25.799 eight companies and you should receive a decent check a 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:26.560 decent check. 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:29.080 How do you make it to those curated playlists because 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.920 like I'm not just saying, I'm thinking, like songs just 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.160 pop in there. Like once I download a certain playlist, 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.080 if a new artist comes in it just do you 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.799 have to pay for that? As there's somebody at the 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:40.560 streaming service that actually just says, oh, I like that song, 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:41.480 we're putting that in there. 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.720 I mean, sometimes it's the labels that own the playlist. 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.040 Sometimes if you're very cool with the people that run 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.239 the playlist, you can get lucky. Or if you're a 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.560 very popular artist and the song is very popular, they'll 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:56.920 the person who runs the playlist will put that song 0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.640 on the playlist, but you know, the labels figured it out, 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.040 so they kind of have control of everything. 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:08.319 Again, So like, are your payments coordinated through like all 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.320 seven that come to you streamlined at one time? Yes, 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.640 from and that's from the label that puts it on. Yes, 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:16.920 Then they cut the check, then they take a percentage 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:18.600 out of that, and then they putting all right, So 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.920 it's like CD baby or something like that, right, or 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:22.640 toon Core. 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.360 Or toon Core right. But sol Spasm is my distribution, 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:30.120 so and I guess my checks would be different from 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:34.120 another person's checks because I have sixteen to seventeen projects, 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:39.680 so I'm like steps ahead of someone who might only 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.600 have two or three projects. You have leverage, so like 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.239 I'm getting a substantial amount of money every single month. 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.320 That's mixtapes and albums can combined. 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.200 But the mixtapes all right, so let's talk about mixtapes 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.960 mixtape that's how does that work? 0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:56.520 Same same thing? Could you put mixtapes on streaming services too? 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.560 Right now people are putting them on there, but before 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.359 it was the cool But I think you can put 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.719 them on there now, but it's still it's still like. 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:07.080 What's the difference, Like, like I know Drake put out 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.920 a playlist, then there was there's mixtapes. 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:13.440 And there's albums. He just came out with his first album, 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.800 but he has like six projects. What's the differences. 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:20.080 It's not like. 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.719 The marketing rollout from the label. Okay, that's the only 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.600 thing different. Because he was on he's on Massive Pill 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.000 Deaf Jam, I believe. So massa Pill was handling the 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.040 mixtapes and they were putting that stuff out, so he 0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:35.560 was probably getting financed by mass A Pill. They were, 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.520 they were handling that. But then this big project is 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.080 a death Cham thing, so like deaf Cham is now 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.919 handling the rollout. They're probably taking that budget from when 0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.799 he first signed four years ago or whatever, and now 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.719 they're using that money to push this project. Like how 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:52.200 it is, you know, that's how it works essentially. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.600 How about endorsements that I know you said that you 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:59.239 have one with a Sports and Puma and of course. 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:03.160 Yeah you got the before Yeah, I mean a lot 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.640 of that stuff was before I had did my record deal. 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.840 So they just were interested in the brand they built. 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.600 They bought into who I was, what I represented. They 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:18.000 saw that, you know, this kid is an image that 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.080 can be pushed out there without being too flashy. That 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.200 was one of the reasons why Honda chose me, because 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:26.040 I was not flashy. I didn't have a big chain on. 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:29.080 I didn't have the crazy jewels on. I didn't come 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.040 in there and talking crazy. I was an intellectual. I 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.520 was an everyday person. What is a Honda Hondas for 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.480 everyday person? You know what I'm saying. It's a great 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:39.840 card at lasts, So you know that money was from them, 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.720 and then Puma. You know, I worked with Puma for 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.600 a little while for like two years. They gave me 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:47.760 product that would wear the product and get that stuff 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.040 seen all over because I was a sneak ahead. I'm 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.440 still a big sneak ahead. And then you know I 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:57.320 also did UH. I also did EA Sports. I was 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.200 very cool with the music supervisor with the Rafa Lean 0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:03.720 shot out to her and we kind of just continuously 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:06.080 worked for like five years. I was on like every 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:08.440 EA game you could potentially think of, except for Madden. 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.000 Like I was on like hockey. I was a need 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.520 for speed. I was on FIFA No, no, not FIFA 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.040 part of me. I was on the sims like I 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:16.600 have a. 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:21.840 Sim so you get royalty checks from the game the person. 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:23.880 And now you don't get royalty checks, you just get 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:28.760 up front show. But the commercial you got royalty checks. Yes, 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:32.400 I got as long as the commercial played. Yes, the commercial. 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:36.040 That commercial ran for about four or five years, and 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.360 I was getting checks every day for four or five years, 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:42.320 no part of four five months, four five months, and 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.960 I was getting I was getting checks every single day, 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:45.880 every day. 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.800 So they calculate like how many times it aired, and 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.560 then they send you a percentage of that. 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:55.240 Yes, yes, on top of my music being in it, 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.160 and on top of me acting in it. Like it 0:58:58.240 --> 0:58:59.440 was like three separate. 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.960 Checks, music check, acting check, and then a residual check. 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:04.520 A lot of checks. 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.440 It was a lot of checks. There's a lot of 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:09.640 checks me, all right. 0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:14.440 So if I'm a kid that just loves music, I'm recording, 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.400 can you give me some advice, Like what's the first steps? 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:20.920 I don't have a major break record deal, but I 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:22.200 want to get my music out there? 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:23.640 What do What do I do? 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.520 First steps is to build a team. It's like a 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.920 pyramid scheme. You know that I used to sell Kirby 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.400 vacuums back in the day. You know what I'm saying. 0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:35.880 And even like the Cutcold Knives, and it was I 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:40.440 want to say, you're selling Eastna, But you know, I 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:44.320 would have to go into these wild areas to sell 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:47.280 these things. And whenever we would come back to base, 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.560 they will always say to me, you need to go 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.680 to your friends parents' homes, and you need to go 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:56.560 to their friends parents' homes. And that's how it needs 0:59:56.560 --> 1:00:00.919 to happen. So I would tell a kid start, start 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.120 a team. Start a team of five to six people, 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:07.760 and everybody has to have a specific amount of network 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:11.280 where they, you know, pushing your music consistently and constantly 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.960 to different people, and it has to be music has 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:17.760 to be hot, and they have to concentrate not on 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:21.120 the numbers. You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:23.680 like we're in the era of it's just so much 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:26.640 clout and how many likes you have and how many 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.800 views you have and this, and that they are artists 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.840 that have more followers than me on Instagram, they have 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.600 more views than me on Instagram, more likes, and they're 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:39.480 broke and they don't know what to do with their career. 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.160 They're in a rut. And I know artists that have 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:44.480 less followers than me, that are doing better than me 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.560 when it comes to moving and shaking and getting this 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:53.040 stuff out there. So it's all about focusing on exactly 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:58.120 what your goals are. Have people that are knowledgeable in 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:01.320 your corner as well as having people that have the 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:04.400 same goals and beliefs that you have. And spread this 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:07.360 word out to every and anybody that has ears that 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:12.840 want to hear it, and just create. Create, create content 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.800 that people feel as valuable. You know, if you're not 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:19.040 creating the content that people feel as valuable, then you can, 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:20.560 you know, be a mechanic or something. 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.080 You know what I How stressful is it? How stressful 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:25.760 is it to be a to be an artist? 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:27.760 That's another thing I don't think people fully understand, Like 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:31.920 it's not it's not easy profession, And yeah, how stressful 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:32.200 is it? 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:34.160 I work twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.800 Sometimes my wife is angry at me because I'm always working, 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:41.480 But that's what it takes. I feel like if, like 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.920 you said, some artists do get hot and then they 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.440 stay hot for like two three years, and then that's it. 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:49.320 You don't hear from them no more, you know what 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:52.320 I mean. I'm one of those guys that's been out 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.640 for eleven years now, I'm living off of music. I 1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:57.440 make six figures a year just independently, you know what 1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:02.160 I'm saying. And I know what a little bit more backing, 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:05.480 I could crack seven figures easily because I know exactly 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:06.960 what to do. I know how to do it. I 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:10.360 know how to maneuver. But a lot of guys they don't. 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.040 Sometimes they just don't want to hear. I feel like 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:15.560 sometimes they just don't want to hear these these things. 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:19.360 You know what I'm saying. Artists don't want to hear work, work, work, 1:02:19.360 --> 1:02:20.960 work work. They just want to get to the bag. 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.000 It's all about the fast money. 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:25.160 Fast money don't last too long. You gotta chase it. 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.520 Fast money don't last money. That's a good quote, you 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:29.120 know what I'm saying. It just doesn't. You have to. 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:32.920 You have to diversify, like I don't. I don't just 1:02:33.760 --> 1:02:36.280 rap either, you know what I'm saying. Like I try 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:39.280 to make investments on certain things, like you know, trying 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:41.160 to buy home. You know what I'm saying. Looking, I 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.080 was just telling a man off camera, I'm trying to 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:46.760 get a tesla because it doesn't depreciate. It appreciates in value. 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:52.080 Also just investing in different companies. Like there's a company 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:57.000 that's doing marijuana, cannabis stuff, but it's from the health 1:02:57.320 --> 1:03:00.520 side of it. So it's called Glenn Mayor Farms. You know, 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:05.080 they are a farming agency that's using the medicinal portion 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:09.600 of the cannabis, you know, legally and getting it out 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:11.840 there legally. Because we all know marijuana is just on 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:14.440 the verge of being you know, legalized. I feel like 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:18.240 that's something that you know, as black people, you know, 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:23.160 we're not you know, we're we're drug heads. We're always smoking, smoking, smoking, 1:03:23.200 --> 1:03:26.560 We're always putting into it instead of reinvesting into it 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.120 into the medicinal aspect of it, which is the legal 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:30.920 portion of it and the legal side of it where 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.640 you can invest in making money back on it. You 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:34.760 know what I'm saying, It's gonna be a lot of 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.360 billionaires made if they make the right you know, decisions 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.760 and choices. So, you know, I'm always looking at what's 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:42.200 the next thing is going to happen. Virtual reality, That's 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:46.760 another thing that is on the cusp of the gaming industry. 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:49.400 It's just you have to find the right one, you know. 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:52.240 I think virtual reality is gonna be big. We haven't 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:54.360 spoken about that yet, but I think that virtual reality 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:56.480 is gonna be huge, especially in sports. 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:58.200 Oh yeah, it's going to be I think they tried 1:03:58.200 --> 1:03:59.960 that this year with the NBA Lead Pass, where you 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:02.360 get the virtual reality and you could sit courtside. 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:03.560 It's perfect. 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.880 You think about it, It's like, am I going to 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.840 pay ten thousand dollars that only one percent of America has. 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.960 To watch Lebron? Or will I pay one hundred dollars? Yeah, 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:13.840 it's not bad. 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:18.560 And to feel like I'm literally right there, especially sports 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:24.640 like boxing basketball, you can't that court side feel means 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:24.880 a lot. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.800 Oh yeah, that look is a lot, That's what I said. 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:29.840 But that's one of those sports where it makes sense 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.760 to do it. Like some sports are not great being 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:35.080 viewed live. Right, If I go to a football game 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:37.360 and I'm sitting in the upper deck, I have no 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:40.920 idea what's happening down there. I just know that something stopped. Right. 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.640 It's not like when you're on TV and you can 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:44.640 actually hear the refo that was the call. Oh, we 1:04:44.680 --> 1:04:47.240 can see the instant replay. Some things just aren't made 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:49.680 for consumption, that's true. 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:51.680 No, this is well. I think they're going to do 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:52.720 a combination of both though. 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:54.160 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. If you get the 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:55.880 virtual reality now you can see it, but you. 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:57.560 Can hear a commentators talk about it too. 1:04:57.760 --> 1:04:59.280 Yeah, that's why you hear about the games with the 1:04:59.320 --> 1:04:59.800 headphones on. 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:03.200 Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna get to that level. 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:07.000 I just feel like you can't just want to just 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.720 do music and that's it. It's it has to be more. 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:13.160 It has to get into acting a little bit, get 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:17.000 into creating a merchandise, you know, make something that people 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:21.240 don't you know, or won't create, you know, like be creative. 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:24.480 I feel like these are the things that you know, 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:28.840 artists need to kind of take back, not just their 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.760 ownership and their music, but the ownership and their imagination. 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:33.640 We just said. I just it's funny you just said 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:37.480 the word artists because hey, Buggy he said next project 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:39.800 is last one because he wants to focus on things 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:42.280 outside of music and this is the time now while 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.000 he's hot. I had a quick question. You said you 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:48.200 were trying to get a job right before, Like what what. 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:51.080 Were you gonna try anything? Trying to do anything anything 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.400 anything at that time I was desperate and there was 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.360 nothing for me. There was literally nothing for me. And 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:01.600 you know, I had shows lined up, but I had 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:04.360 to wait to get the second half from those shows 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:07.480 to even you know, make some money. So I had 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:10.120 to kind of I had to thug it out, you know. 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:12.400 I was trying. I was trying to work at I 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:16.240 was too overqualified for burger king and underqualified to work 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:18.800 in the office again. So I was just like, I got. 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:19.240 To do music. 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:20.720 How does that work? I'm glad you said that. 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:22.520 When everybody talks about like getting paid on the back 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:25.280 end for the shows, you get paid up front fifty 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:27.479 and then after you perform you get the fifty percent. 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:30.600 That's usually that standard, Yeah, standard right after you perform. 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:33.760 Sometimes before you get on stage, sometimes after depends that. 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:36.320 I've heard like artists not get on stage because they 1:06:36.560 --> 1:06:37.680 the promoters have money. 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.920 Sometimes the promoters do pay for play, so you know, 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:45.440 they'll charge, you know, artists to sell tickets before the 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:47.840 main act gets on so they can make the rest 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:50.360 of the money to pay the headliner. 1:06:50.440 --> 1:06:52.160 Have you had bad experience promoters before? 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:54.920 Not a lot, but I've had some. I've had some 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:59.000 bad experience. I mean, the best the best shows that 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:02.240 I've had was corporate shows because you're gonna. 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:02.880 Get paid corporate money. 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:05.800 Corporate you that money is guarantee. You can go on 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:08.320 stage without getting paid and you you know you're gonna 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:13.040 get paid eventually, like or you'll sue. So those are 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.600 the probably the best shows. You know, there's contracts put 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.680 in place where you have to sign a contract music agreement, 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:23.439 performing agreement with a buyer talent buyer that you will 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:25.760 get paid before the night is over or at the 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:27.440 end of the night when you settle up, depending if 1:07:27.440 --> 1:07:29.000 you did a door deal or depending on if you 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:29.880 get a guarantee. 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:32.200 Some you ask your music question before we wrap it up. 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:35.800 You work with a lot of artists, like I said, 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:40.280 from Drake to Justin temple A to Andrew Kendrick and 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:43.080 then underground artists as well and mainstream are everybody. 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:45.120 You work with a lot of different people, right Who 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:47.160 who was. 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:50.800 The most enjoyable for you to work with as far 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:52.640 as like the talent level? Like who did because like 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:54.360 I used to play ball, so like sometimes I played 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:58.040 backble somebody I know, like there's special like I played 1:07:58.040 --> 1:07:59.560 like Mike Beasley went to school with me and I 1:07:59.600 --> 1:08:01.840 knew he was younger than me, but I knew like 1:08:01.920 --> 1:08:02.520 he was special. 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:03.800 I knew he's gonna make it to the league. I 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:04.720 just knew he was special. 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:08.200 Did you ever have that type of vibe with anybody 1:08:08.280 --> 1:08:10.440 like that you worked with, Like this dude is different. 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:16.680 Yeah, I mean it's a lot. I can be here 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:20.000 all day. I mean I remember when I got Drake's 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:22.519 verse back for Overdose on Life. We were talking about 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.920 that earlier and I was just like, Yo, this guy 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:27.000 is fucking dope. 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:31.760 Did you see it happening like people saying Drake is 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:32.720 the best rapper ever? 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:35.720 Did you ever imagine he can be put in that category? 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:39.280 No, not the best rapper ever. It was more like 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:44.040 it was more like, this guy's light skinned, he's marketable, 1:08:45.680 --> 1:08:48.400 and he could rap really well. This is before he 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:50.880 was singing really and I was just like, Yo, this 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:54.360 dude is dope. He got a knack for choruses and everything. 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:58.639 And then like after we did that record, he kind 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:01.519 of he kind of just ran into not ran into, 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:03.600 but I remember when he hit me like yo, like 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:06.000 I'm meeting Wayne tonight. I'm about to meet Little Wayne, 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:08.960 and that that changed it all and I was like 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:14.160 that's crazy, bro, keep grinding. But that experience was just 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:16.360 dope because you know, he was a he was an 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:19.280 unknown artist. He was nobody really knew who he was 1:09:19.360 --> 1:09:21.160 when I put him on the record, Like it was 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:23.160 a big deal for him to be on that record. 1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:29.479 Styles p was that was that was an amazing session 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:33.960 where like he was doing features for other artists that 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:37.240 came in the in that day, like and like the 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:38.160 whole locks was there. 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.800 And he doesn't write rhymes, right, that's true. 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:46.120 That's true. He didn't write his rhymes. He so I 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:48.840 was like, I was like, yo, like I want to 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:51.680 do this record, bro, And he was like, I, how 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:52.680 do you want to do it? I was like, I 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:58.800 want to do uh five eight bar versus. And he 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:01.440 knew with my talent level was so he kicked everybody 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:02.200 out the studio. 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.800 He's used to that, going back and forth with Kiss Yeah. 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.960 Yeah, but yeah, but he it was the fact that 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:09.680 he kicked everybody out, Like why do you kick everybody out? 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:12.240 Because it was just too crazy, Like everybody got go 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.880 it's me and you know, but he stayed with other 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:18.240 artists when they did their records, other artists were still there. 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.000 Everybody had to go when it was me and him 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:23.080 and we just we just did that record. That JOm 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:26.720 was wild, you know what I'm saying. For Legends, you 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:30.000 know Royce. Royce was a dope session. I asked him, 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:32.439 asked him to send me like twenty four bars. He 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.160 sent me back like thirty two forty bars. It was 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:36.640 just like, all right, you want to kill me your 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:38.920 my own record happened? 1:10:39.280 --> 1:10:41.160 Well, you got a verse back of me like, damn, 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:42.000 I gotta go rewrite. 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:44.680 I don't rewrite my verses. I try to rewrite them. 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:46.639 But you ever felt like, yo, did he bothered me on? Yeah? 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:48.920 Yeah, you know, but I let it. I let it rock. 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:54.519 I let it rock. Yeah, shout out, you know what 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:57.400 I'm saying. And lastly, John Legend. I mean when I 1:10:57.400 --> 1:10:59.519 worked with John Legend, he was on tour with Shad 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:02.880 day Man and he and he it was an overseas 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:06.120 tour and he came off tour when he had his 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.320 day off in New York and we went in the 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:11.639 studio and made our record and then I asked him 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:13.920 can you do some stuff over? And he was like sure. 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:16.680 Like he was the nicest artist ever, you know, that 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.360 was a super intelligent dude. Oh I love John. John's 1:11:19.479 --> 1:11:22.160 is a good dude man. I appreciate it, just him 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:24.120 taking that time out to work with me, you know, 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:26.799 in that facility and capacity, you know what I mean. 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:31.599 Pow make you appreciate you coming telling people I know 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:32.639 you on tour right. 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:35.200 Yes, yeah, I got a tour coming up. It's called 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:39.040 the Fan Tour. It starts November twenty ninth and the 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:45.160 ends December twelfth. We're doing Boston, New York, Philly, Baltimore, Virginia, 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.120 North Carolina, Atlanta. You know, hopefully we'll put up the 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:51.760 fly here so you guys could check it out. 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Me and Troy are gonna do classes 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:18.960 on Friday. And then starting in January, we're gonna launch 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:27.000 e Yoo every Thursday. Financial in Spanish Latino. 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:27.519 Support this. 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:32.200 Sure and the book tip of this week is the 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:35.120 autobiography of Johnny Cochrane recommended. 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:37.960 I guess Mickey, great book. 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:38.479 Great book. 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:40.599 I promise you really really really good. 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:44.720 Johnny cockin people don't understand how you know what the 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:47.479 thing about Johnny everybody knows him for the oj trial, right, Yep. 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:51.679 He was a high powered lawyer way before. That's exactly 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:54.240 because that was the dream team. But he was the head. 1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:57.160 A lot of people somewhat like some of the lawyers 1:14:57.439 --> 1:15:00.919 felt the way because this is Lloyd, like Johnny Cockrow Shapiro, 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:06.439 like these dudes Alan Dershuis. They was high powered lawyers. Yes, 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:11.560 Johnny Cochran and he's the quarterback. A lot of a 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:14.280 lot of them felt the way about that. And he 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.880 was working on Geronimo Pratt's case when he died. A 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:20.000 lot of people don't know that either. Geronimo Pratt, legendary 1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:23.679 black panther leader who was incarcerated Mike Jack. 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:28.040 Yeah, So he did a lot of social change before 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.519 the old j case. 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