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Speaker 3: All right, guys, welcome back. E y L.

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Speaker 4: This is an extremely special special edition. I'm excited special,

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Speaker 4: yeah for sure. Before we before we start, we got

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Speaker 4: some housekeeping items. So if you follow E Y L.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've been traveling around. We're hitting all of

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Speaker 4: We are coming December seventh and December eighth. We got

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Speaker 4: a whole e y L weekend planned and we're having

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Speaker 4: And then what they're gonna do is that anybody that

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Speaker 4: Kawhi's playing, Paul George is playing, so yeah so and

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Speaker 4: we're also going to live stream the workshop too for

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Speaker 4: and all of the information is there. So all right, So,

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Speaker 4: as I said, this is very special because you know,

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Speaker 4: music is part of our man. We grew up on

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Speaker 3: So we talk. We always quote jay Z all the time.

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Speaker 4: We always call all these rappers and because that's kind

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Speaker 4: that's how we learned. Some things we learned good, some

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Speaker 4: my man, Mickey Facts is a perfect a perfect guest

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Speaker 4: You know, it's he's the perfect guest to have because

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you for having me in man excited.

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Speaker 6: Man, okay cool. Uh So I'm doing this freestyle you

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Speaker 5: Man, Let's get it going.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Because you gotta find a niche example considered with mars

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Speaker 3: Don't go and blind you.

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Speaker 6: The your arrogance. A doctors can't start a business without

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Speaker 5: Knowing the narrative.

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Speaker 3: Experiment with the benefits of your market.

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Speaker 5: Google and research the past to the hustling.

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Speaker 6: Don't brag.

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Speaker 5: Keep a subtle.

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Speaker 6: The last freestyle had the last Nigga puzzle. I ain't

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Speaker 6: A couple of people said that they was trapped in

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Speaker 6: It's a passion. Trust me, and some people so poor

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Speaker 6: all they really have is money. This verse ain't facetious.

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Speaker 6: Take that lyric down and break the words and pieces.

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Speaker 6: Get you a nice life. Work cohesion, get you one

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Speaker 5: Heard you heard it? Listen, listen, listen, don't ever play yourself.

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Speaker 5: Listen one take only Nickey Fast is burned down my house.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad I got insurance. Lisia has been earned, y'all

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Speaker 5: shy man. That was first time ever. Yeah, first time

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Speaker 6: Yeah yo yo, I was the first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yo.

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Speaker 5: Just listen to my demo.

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Speaker 4: Bro, No, that was dope. That was that was dope

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Speaker 3: Absolu.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, this is gonna be. This is this is

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Speaker 3: May not know the game.

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Speaker 5: We said, it's not something that's taught. There's no manual

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Speaker 3: So can we talk about your journey? So it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: So you were saying you was, you was in college

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was. I was studying law, you know,

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Speaker 6: It's just it just didn't work for me in that way.

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Speaker 5: So you started college already doing the music thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was already doing music before I went to college.

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Speaker 5: Twenty four thousand a year. Couldn't take it.

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Speaker 6: I was, yeah, it was literally and this was five

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Speaker 6: I mean at that time, the internet was just butting

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Speaker 6: we were changing top eights. We was making people change

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Speaker 5: It at that time, music is being stolen.

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Speaker 6: Music was right, it was being pirated still, but people

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you built a team around you. Yeah, so

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Speaker 6: Days, it was a Saint he was my manager and

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Speaker 3: So how did all this come about?

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Speaker 3: As far as like, you leave college, I'm assuming you

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Speaker 6: I had ten thousand dollars save, all.

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Speaker 6: I mean in two thousand and seven, from what I remember,

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Speaker 6: called Heaven's Fallout, and I sampled the Geico commercial beat

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Speaker 6: called me up. I was like, okay, we want to

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Speaker 6: And then I put another record out called Stop Me.

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Speaker 6: We haven't spent a dollar yet. Once Fader picked me up,

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Speaker 3: But at that.

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Speaker 6: Point we were using the Internet when other rappers really weren't.

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Speaker 6: Like it was a couple of us like Me Cuddy,

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Speaker 5: They were still like a crew love type situation, right,

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Speaker 6: But also the labels just didn't know how to maneuver

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Speaker 6: I went to China before I performed in New York

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Speaker 6: I just couldn't afford it. So I made the Internet

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Speaker 5: When you say DJs was charging too much, you mean

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Speaker 6: DJ's playing the records on the radio, DJs to take

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Speaker 6: DJs to play the music at events. DJ is just

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Speaker 5: They wanted money, So that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Payola, Paola, that's a real thing. Payola is a real thing.

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Speaker 4: If anybody's not payola. That's when you pay people to

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Speaker 6: Right, it is a federal offense.

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Speaker 3: So people really do that, you know.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things.

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Speaker 5: It's one of those things where incriminated.

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Speaker 6: No, no, I mean, I mean, it's one of those

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Speaker 6: We all tried to call up the Hot ninety seven.

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Speaker 6: Any of us ever get through, No, no.

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Speaker 5: Never, I've never trying to call when when DJ red

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Speaker 5: Alert was on Kiss FM, and did you ever get through?

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Speaker 3: Never?

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Speaker 6: Man, never, and you're not gonna you weren't gonna get

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Speaker 4: M So all right, that's interesting. I didn't know that

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Speaker 5: All you ever hear is like, yo, I don't take money.

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Speaker 3: I don't take a DJs have too much power, not anymore,

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Speaker 6: They used to have tons of power.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I would imagine, like and there was a

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Speaker 3: Like the internet's breaking the record.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people break their own records.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean when I was when I was

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Speaker 6: I wanted to say I'm not against DJs, but I

439
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 6: felt like it was archaic because like at some point,

440
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 6: like people are not going to go to the radio

441
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 6: to listen to music anymore. They're all now they're listening

442
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 6: to music on Spotify, they listening to music on Title,

443
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 6: They're listening to YouTube, you know YouTube. So I felt

444
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 6: like it was archaic and they didn't want to hear

445
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 6: me at the label. They was like, now you still

446
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 6: gotta do it, You still got to do it.

447
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, you know what's crazy is that,

448
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 4: Like the first time I heard about Takashi was like

449
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 4: I think a year and a half ago, and it

450
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: was Uncle Murders Yearly Week. He does like the Yearly

451
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: Reek after so he's mentioned his name. And when he

452
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: mentioned his name, like, I like googled him, Like I

453
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 4: looked on Instagram. And when I looked on Instagram, he

454
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 4: had two million followers. So I'm like, how does he

455
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 4: have He's from Brooklyn, he got rainbow head YEP. I'm like,

456
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 4: that's I say that to say, I was so out

457
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: of the loop. Two million people had already been follow him,

458
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 4: He's on tour overseas. He was already hot, and I

459
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: only heard about him because of Uncle MURDA said his

460
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 4: name was way bigger than Uncle Murder.

461
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 5: The radio is only playing twelve records. If you listen

462
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 5: to it, it's just twelve records over and over, just

463
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 5: the time span and then like they have maybe a

464
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 5: new at two section that's like forty five minutes throughout

465
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 5: the day. Most people in their cars, it's the same

466
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 5: records over and over. Unless they're doing like a show,

467
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 5: like an interview that's coming on, that's it. Yeah.

468
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, like like with Rashaw just said

469
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 6: like this, I find new artists and I be shocked

470
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 6: that they have over five hundred thousand followers. I find

471
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 6: new artists all the time and they just have tons

472
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 6: and tons of followers and they sell out venues they don't.

473
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 6: And I'm one million percent sure they didn't pay a

474
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 6: DJ to be on the radio. They didn't pay anybody

475
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 6: to make it happen. They just kind of had their

476
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 6: own following. People brought into their brand, like I said

477
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 6: in the rap, and they were connected to it and

478
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 6: that's what made them pop.

479
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I think Brooklyn Johny has

480
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 5: said that He's like, you want to make it get

481
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: hot where you are right in your town, then the

482
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 5: city will be in love with you, and then your

483
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 5: state will find you and then by that time the

484
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 5: industry will come get you. Yep.

485
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 6: That's how it works.

486
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: So all right, So in the next second, we're going

487
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 4: to talk about your experience going from a major to

488
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 4: be an independent or everything in between. All right, So

489
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 4: you was telling me that you actually have an interesting

490
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: experience because you you've seen all sides of the game. Yes,

491
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: from from living the high life being on major labels,

492
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: to having endorsement deals from Fortune five hundred companies yep,

493
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: to be an independent and having to grind it out yourself.

494
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 4: So all right, can we talk about your experience on

495
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 4: on the major labels and how did that work out

496
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: for you? Is it like because everybody talks about majors

497
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: and majority of people that always talk about majors is

498
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: always it's interesting to me, Like even when Kissing was

499
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: on the radio a few years ago and they said

500
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 4: that they was gonna like throw pop off a roof

501
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 4: and all that, it's interesting because everybody has bad to

502
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: kiss that beautiful, But everybody always has negative things to

503
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: say about major labels, but everybody always signed to major labels.

504
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know I heard Jim like Jim Jones was

505
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 5: probably one of the biggest independent artists, right, and he

506
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 5: had you know, independent independent until recently he's like, yo,

507
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 5: you need the major because there's certain things that they

508
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 5: can provide that you can't as an independent artist.

509
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 4: So your your experience, how was it being on because

510
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: you're on a few majors, how was how was that experience?

511
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 6: I mean it was it was a great experience, and

512
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 6: then it was like a weird experience. So the great

513
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 6: experience of it was it was more clout for everybody basically,

514
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 6: so like once you say a job recording artists mickey facts,

515
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 6: it's like, ah, everybody's all over you. You know what

516
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 6: I'm saying. But essentially what it is is a bank loan.

517
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 6: You know, they give you a lot of upfront money

518
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 6: and you use that money to live off of and

519
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 6: fund your project. You know what I'm saying. Use that

520
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 6: and so they give you half upfront and that half

521
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 6: of whatever you sign for is to live off of.

522
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 5: That's the events.

523
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 6: That's the events, and then the other half of the

524
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 6: money is for your marketing budgets and whatever else that

525
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 6: you spend studio time, features, production, things like that. And basically,

526
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 6: if you run out of your money, of the upfront

527
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 6: advance money. Then you have to kind of grind it out,

528
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 6: but it's limitations on what you could do because the

529
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 6: label still owns your name, content and things of that nature.

530
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: Before.

531
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 6: But one thing with me, like before I did my deal,

532
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 6: I had to hond a commercial, I had a sponsorship

533
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 6: with Puma, I had EA sports scenarios, so I had

534
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 6: my own merchandise. So when I signed to Jive Battery,

535
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 6: they couldn't take They couldn't three sixty me because I

536
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 6: was already moving and I was already already had certain

537
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 6: situations put in place. So that was the good part

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 6: of it, you know, and being able to meet people

539
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 6: that were in the industry, go to their parties, the events,

540
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 6: and and you know, eat for free and things like that.

541
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 6: But you know, when it was time to kind of

542
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 6: put the music out, Jive had folded. So everybody that

543
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 6: was on job at the time, justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, myself,

544
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 6: there was a couple other artists that was on it,

545
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 6: like big pop artists, like they were a big pop label.

546
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 6: We all were in limbo. So I got moved to

547
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 6: RCAA and had a whole nother team, a whole nother deal,

548
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 6: and it was rough because it was people there who

549
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 6: didn't believe in the project in the first place to

550
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 6: sign me. You know. So I I did a record

551
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 6: with John Legend at the time. I did a record

552
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 6: with Bruno Mars, did a record with Yellow Wolf, and

553
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 6: they just didn't the an R just wasn't fans.

554
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: They didn't understand me.

555
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 6: They didn't understand it because he wasn't invested into it.

556
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 5: Coach Chilling Labels.

557
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: So one thing, one thing that you said was interesting.

558
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: Because, like I said, we we grew up on hip

559
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: hop and like even in my brain like I have,

560
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 4: it's weird, like somebody else say something and then lyric

561
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: triggers that I remember from fifteen years ago. So one

562
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 4: of the greatest rappers of all time Cannabis right, he

563
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: is one of.

564
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: The greats from last six It was pretty crazy.

565
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: It didn't work out for him, but people won't remember him. No, no, no, no,

566
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 4: he's one of the great that boy. But one of

567
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: the things that he always said that stuck with me.

568
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: He said, he said, did you actually your label if

569
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: it was with Coopable. I'm sure the vehicle was probably beautiful,

570
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: but did you actually like label if it was with Coopable.

571
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: So you talked about like the events, So can you

572
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: just break that because I'm actually interested to know, Like,

573
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: they give you a million dollars, right, right, but that's

574
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 4: your budget, yes, So now out of that million dollars,

575
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: your studio time is.

576
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 6: On the second half of the budget. So if you

577
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 6: get if I had a million dollar deal, I would

578
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 6: get five hundred thousand up front, and out of that

579
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 6: five hundred thousand, automatically, my attorney has to get paid,

580
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 6: my manager has to get paid, my accountant has to

581
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 6: get paid. They keep the other five hundred thousand dollars

582
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 6: to do everything that needs to be done in terms

583
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 6: of marketing, studio time, features, and then the other Well,

584
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 6: if it's five hundred thousand that I keep, I would

585
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 6: probably keep three seventy five after paying everybody out. And

586
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 6: with that three seventy five, I shouldn't go and buy

587
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 6: a chain. I shouldn't go and buy a car, a

588
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: super expensive car. At least I should buy something that's

589
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: practical by home by a practical car, and wait until

590
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: you know you're touring and you start seeing publishing and

591
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 6: things like that, because it's basically a loan and it's taxed.

592
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 4: Also, it is taxed, So the three seventy five is

593
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: really like two fifty.

594
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: I can you could have it taxed, or you can

595
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 6: take it up front and handle it on your own.

596
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: I took it all up front and handled it on my.

597
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: Own and pay the taxes laid on.

598
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 6: Yes.

599
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: So when a label says that when we hit a

600
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: lot of times, they were cooping the money, how's that happen?

601
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Right?

602
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 6: They're recooping the money off of your record sales?

603
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 5: All right, So the money that they gave you as advance,

604
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: they're taking it back from what you sold.

605
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: Yes, in the event that you sell, In the event

606
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 6: that you sell, in the event that you don't, in

607
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 6: the event that you don't, you in the red. They

608
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 6: could write you off as a tax as a as

609
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 6: a tax right off, or you're in debt, you're on

610
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 6: the label, you're in the red.

611
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how is it as far as label politics?

612
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: As far as because you said when you switched labels,

613
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: the other label didn't believe in in the project the

614
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: way the first label did, right, So, like I always

615
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: wanted it this too. Where it's like people push their

616
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: albums back, Like how did what is it to say? Okay,

617
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: you're green lit for a release in April?

618
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: Do you coming out?

619
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: Like how does that look from the inside, Cause a

620
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: lot of people we just see from the outside of fans,

621
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: this person's album keeps getting pushed back or this person

622
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: quick but we don't know, like the single might not

623
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: have worked, or they wanted him to go in a

624
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: different direction, Like how does that work at that right?

625
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: A lot of times it's analytics that people that the

626
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: other people in the office is you know, doing. So

627
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 6: they'll put a record out for a feeler or you know,

628
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 6: to to test it at radio to see what's going on,

629
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 6: what's the response, and if they're not getting another if

630
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 6: they're not getting a good enough response, they're not gonna

631
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 6: start putting gasoline to the fire because the fire is

632
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 6: already out there. When the song is on the radio,

633
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: it's in the DJ pool, it's uh, you you send

634
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 6: it to the tastemakers or whatever, but the consumer hasn't

635
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 6: gotten to the record just yet. So they used to

636
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 6: have a mixed show. Now everything is streaming, you know

637
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, But before it was all mixed show

638
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 6: taste makers. You had to do DJ meetings, you know,

639
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 6: go to the go to different cities and go to

640
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 6: the the radio station and talk to the DJs and

641
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: basically beg them to play the record and they would

642
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 6: play it during the mixed show hour, which would be

643
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 6: before prime time five to seven. The DJs have free

644
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 6: range to kind of play whatever they wanted to play,

645
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 6: and if there was enough impact on the record, they

646
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 6: were added into rotation. After the label would then put

647
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 6: money behind the song, so the label would make their

648
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 6: money back off of licensing the song. The label makes

649
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 6: their money back off of the radio spins. The label

650
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 6: makes their money back off of the publishing sometimes the

651
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 6: royalties and as well as album sales. So that's how

652
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: the label went. But then when they when they when

653
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 6: they saw that Napster was coming around, that's when they

654
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 6: started the three sixty deal. So I need ten percent

655
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Speaker 6: of your taking. I need ten percent.

656
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Speaker 5: Of everything basically, So like when you said they could

657
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Speaker 5: make it back off the album, is that when the

658
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Speaker 5: points come into play.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's what points come into play, and everybody gets

660
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Speaker 6: a point. So basically you give a point to this

661
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Speaker 6: producer for making a beat or if they made like

662
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 6: if I paid Swiss to do three beats, I would

663
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Speaker 6: give him a point on the album along. It's like

664
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Speaker 6: you get ten to twelve points on an album album

665
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Speaker 6: and the points go One point goes to executive producer,

666
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 6: one point goes to another executive producer, then you give

667
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Speaker 6: one to producers who make beats. You take like two

668
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Speaker 6: to three points, and then the label keeps the rest

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Speaker 6: of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Basically, so a guy like J Cole who produces the

671
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Speaker 5: album has no features and executive producer, he's keeping all

672
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Speaker 5: the points.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So what's difference between points and masters?

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Speaker 6: Masters are the master recordings that you own. So if this,

675
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Speaker 6: let's just say, Earn your Leisure was a studio and

676
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 6: I didn't sign a record deal. If I pay you

677
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 6: to record here, I own my masters. If I come

678
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Speaker 6: here for free to record here, Troy owns the masters.

679
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Rashard owns the masters. If

680
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 6: I sign a record label, if I signed a record label,

681
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 6: if I signed a record deal, I relinquished my rights

682
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Speaker 6: to the masters, depending on what kind of attorney I have.

683
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 6: So now black artists are now starting to be a

684
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Speaker 6: little bit more smarter and they want to own their masters.

685
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 6: But before everyone was intellectual and smart, people signed their

686
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 6: masters a way to get that upfront money, not knowing

687
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 6: that the master recording is basically and essentially the foundation

688
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 6: of owning your music and your money. So if for example,

689
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Speaker 6: I'll use outcasts for an example, I think they wanted

690
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 6: I think there was the label wanted to I think

691
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 6: license one of their songs for the super Bowl and

692
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 6: it was a very big record and a very big commercial.

693
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Speaker 6: Big Boy signed this licensing thing. The label signed it,

694
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Speaker 6: but Andre didn't want to say on it. So because

695
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 6: Andre didn't want to sign it, because they owned some

696
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 6: of their masters, because they made so much money, they

697
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Speaker 6: weren't able to use the record.

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Speaker 5: People don't even know that, Like Alcaz has the biggest

699
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Speaker 5: hip hop selling out of all time. Right.

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Speaker 6: But in the event that they didn't own a portion

701
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Speaker 6: of their masters, the label could have said we're selling,

702
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 6: we're licensing this song, and we're going to keep the

703
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 6: money and they get a piece of the money, right.

704
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Speaker 4: And then and then the publishing is when the writing

705
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Speaker 4: the writing and right right, So in the composition.

706
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Speaker 6: Yes, So a lot of times people get publishing confused

707
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Speaker 6: when they read credits.

708
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Speaker 3: Right.

709
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Speaker 6: So when you consider someone like Drake, right, people say

710
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Speaker 6: Drake has ghostwriters. And right when you look at the

711
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 6: credits and you see someone like Drake's name, you see

712
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 6: Aubrey Graham, right, and you see about ten of the names,

713
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 6: they're like, oh, Drake has nine other writers. No, Sometimes

714
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Speaker 6: I want to say, I want to say ninety nine

715
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Speaker 6: one hundred percent of the time he's writing his records.

716
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Speaker 6: I feel like that one time that you know.

717
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Speaker 3: He had reference track, say the entire entire song.

718
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that one time, I think I think it was

719
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Speaker 6: I think he was trying to give someone a shot exactly.

720
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. He was giving somebody a shot, right,

721
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Speaker 6: and it leaked. But when you see ten names on

722
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 6: the project, music is written, there's a producers write music.

723
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: It's not just producing you you're writing the music. So

724
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: they're writers on the song as well. And if it's

725
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Speaker 6: a sample, the people that they sampled are also in

726
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 6: the credits. They're writers as well. So I don't want

727
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 6: people to like you might see like if you check credits,

728
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Speaker 6: you'll see jay Z and and a bunch of other people,

729
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Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean people wrote jay Z's.

730
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Speaker 5: Lyrics probably make more money off the album.

731
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Speaker 6: And you well, you see name on other people's but

732
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Speaker 6: you know, I actually listen. I challenged people to look

733
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Speaker 6: at them old albums and if you know some of

734
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Speaker 6: these rappers governments names.

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Speaker 5: That was That's exactly how I started knowing everyone's name.

736
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Speaker 5: I would read the credits and like.

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Speaker 4: You have to open them up opening and you can

738
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Speaker 4: see who wrote it in the opening credits and all

739
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Speaker 4: of that. So all right, So this is an interesting

740
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Speaker 4: conversation because it's very complex and you obviously you are

741
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 4: a very intelligent person, right, but you're taking a kid

742
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Speaker 4: off the street with no education. How is he s

743
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Speaker 4: posted to navigate through masters, publishing points, budgets.

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Speaker 3: How do you have And.

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Speaker 5: It's something that nobody taught you when you came in

746
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Speaker 5: the game. Nobody taught me to know.

747
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Speaker 6: So it's like but a lot of it was also

748
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Speaker 6: because I was working at a law firm like you

749
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Speaker 6: guys are in the freestyle, So like I would give

750
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Speaker 6: my contracts to the junior partners at the firm and

751
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 6: we will all look at it together and they will

752
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: break things down to me. So I kind of understood

753
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Speaker 6: my contracts. So I had them checking my attorney's work,

754
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: you know, and I'm checking their work. You know what

755
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Speaker 6: I'm saying, check lawyers, and.

756
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Speaker 6: I mean, I wasn't taught a lot. I wish I was,

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Speaker 6: but you know, in this game, I just feel like,

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Speaker 6: you know, black men, for whatever reason, they're just not,

806
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Speaker 6: you know, reaching back, or maybe there is a disconnect.

807
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Speaker 6: I don't want to say black men are not reaching back.

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Speaker 6: Maybe black men do want to reach back. But I

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Speaker 6: feel like there's a language barrier that has to be

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Speaker 6: kind of severed in order for us to kind of,

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Speaker 6: you know, interact with the younger generation. You know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying. I feel like sometimes they're the younger generation,

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Speaker 6: they have this pushback to the older generation because they're

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Speaker 6: the gatekeepers.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I went through that as a young artist. But if

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Speaker 6: an older artist would have came to me and been like, listen,

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Speaker 6: you need to do this, this, this, this, this is

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Speaker 6: that and that and that I would have listened. You

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. As far as your question, what

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Speaker 6: does a young kid do? Man, I mean I would suggest,

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Speaker 6: you know, being headstrong and trying to find a mentor.

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Speaker 6: That should be the number one thing to do, someone

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Speaker 6: who actually cares about your career, someone who actually knows

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Speaker 6: the business and knows what to do and how to

826
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Speaker 6: navigate around certain things. Because there is no retirement plan

827
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Speaker 6: in music. There is no fall one K plan in music.

828
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Speaker 6: There is no healthcare in music. There is no dental

829
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Speaker 6: plan in music. I have my own separate insurance. I

830
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Speaker 6: have my own I pay a lot for insurance. We

831
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Speaker 6: I have my own four one K plan, own life assurance.

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Speaker 6: You know, I have to take care of these things

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Speaker 6: myself because if I don't, nobody else will.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting you said that because like when we spoke off

835
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Speaker 4: camera and I was saying that, like Sequel is one

836
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: of our favorite rappers. So when he said, with no union,

837
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 4: no dental plan, I can't eat off one honey grant.

838
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Speaker 5: I got cavities, and I got cavities.

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Speaker 4: I need feeling, yo. So when you when when these

840
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Speaker 4: are things that know? Until Seguel said that I've never

841
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Speaker 4: even thought about it. Like, rappers have no union, right,

842
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: even actors have a union, yep, rappers have no I

843
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: heard nor saying like they like they should try to

844
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: have a rappers union.

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Speaker 6: It's imperative because.

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Speaker 3: It's like even on a label, do they do they

847
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Speaker 3: have benefits on a label?

848
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Speaker 6: Yes, you do get benefits on the label, but you

849
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 6: have to opt into it, you have to pay into it.

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Speaker 6: And again, once rappers get a check, that's it, man.

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Speaker 5: And is it the same if they get dropped from

852
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 5: the labels, Like if I get fired for my job,

853
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 5: obviously I'm not part of that anymore.

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Speaker 6: That's it what you're doing drop? Yeah, I mean it's

855
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Speaker 6: it's one of those things where they're taking uneducated, impoverished

856
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 6: black young men and young girls and throwing money in

857
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Speaker 6: their face. So think about us eighteen, nineteen years old, seventeen,

858
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Speaker 6: even twenty. If someone offers you a ton of money,

859
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 6: you're not thinking about four one K, You're not thinking

860
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Speaker 6: about health and arans because that stuff already comes out

861
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Speaker 6: your check. And it's interesting because I feel like most

862
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 6: Americans probably wouldn't think about that shit either if it

863
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 6: wasn't already taken out of the check. So you put

864
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 6: this stuff in front of a young black kid, They're

865
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 6: not thinking that. The first thing they're thinking about is

866
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Speaker 6: getting drippy, getting lived how fast can I didn't buy

867
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Speaker 6: a chain, like, I didn't buy a chain with my advance.

868
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Speaker 6: I did not. I wanted I wanted a place to live,

869
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Speaker 6: you know. I wanted my own place to stay, you know.

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Speaker 6: And that was the first thing that I did, you

871
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. I didn't get a chain. I

872
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 6: didn't get a nice car. I had a free call

873
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 6: shout to Honda. But I didn't want any of that, like,

874
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 6: because I knew I had to recoup the money, and

875
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 6: I knew I had to live off of this money,

876
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 6: even though I had a booking agent. I knew at

877
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 6: some point that the hotness would dissipate, you know what

878
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 6: I'm saying, So I had to save and stack my bread.

879
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: And that's the thing too, Like you said, with the hotness,

880
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: a lot of times you feel like you're in and

881
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: you'll be hot forever, exactly like y'all got this, I'm

882
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 4: on top of the world, but in three years you're

883
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: not on top of the world.

884
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: Are you already spent your bread? Yep.

885
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: So it's like, what do you do You don't have

886
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: any formal education, and always said the music business. I

887
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: want to actually this because we like being in like

888
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: we're interviewing people now kind of like making all rounds

889
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: around the music industry. So I told Troy, I'm like this,

890
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: this music industry. I remember Chris Gotti told us this

891
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 4: when you interviewed them.

892
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: Shout to Chris.

893
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: He was like this, this isn't a real industry. It's

894
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: the only place where you can be a high level

895
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: executive with no qualification.

896
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.

897
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 6: You know that's true.

898
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 5: I mean it's we run into people and we're.

899
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: Like, really, like, how do you how you call? How

900
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: did this happen to give somebody a million dollar budget?

901
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: You don't, you're just friends with somebody, but you just.

902
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: You was hanging out with them and they.

903
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 6: Put you on intern and you learn here, and it's like,

904
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 6: we have a good you picked the right record, you

905
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 6: were there at the right time, and that happened to

906
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 6: a lot of guys, and.

907
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 5: You're a senior executive because you picked the right guy

908
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 5: at that time. Yep.

909
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 4: But then somebody else told us that that's kind of

910
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: done on purpose because the higher ups keep it unorganized, unprofessional,

911
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: because it's like a bunch of chickens just running with

912
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: the heck's cut off. The artist don't really know what

913
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: they're doing, but a lot of executives don't really know

914
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: what they're doing either, but the high level executive they know.

915
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 4: So if you keep if you keep them like kind

916
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: of drugged up, and they don't really know their later meetings,

917
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: and it's very it's not it's not a real business.

918
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: It's not run like a real meeting. No, it's real,

919
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: it's not run like a real business.

920
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 5: Like.

921
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 6: So I was going into the off I was going

922
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 6: into the label every like twice a week, and it

923
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 6: was to the point that people thought I was an

924
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 6: employee there because I just wanted to know what was

925
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: happening with my project every two days. I just needed

926
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 6: to know, you know what I mean. And that's how

927
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 6: I was able to have a great rapport with a

928
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 6: lot of the people that were there. I was about

929
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 6: to call them co workers, but they were technically were

930
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 6: my co workers, you know. And you know, I feel

931
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: like artists just just just let things they just let

932
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 6: things go how it's supposed to go.

933
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: It's like, I just want to create the music. I

934
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 5: just want to create.

935
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: That's what Cheese says.

936
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: Jesz has a clip that's one viral on Instagram saying

937
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: that he got taken advantage of because he wasn't educated

938
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: pretty much paraphrasing, he wasn't educated on music business. He

939
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 4: had lawyers that screwed him over, and he felt he

940
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: felt intimidated to even let somebody know what was going

941
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: on because he's geezy, he's a snowman, so it's like

942
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 4: for him to get ripped off, it's embarrassing, and he

943
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: just went with it because he didn't know.

944
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: He didn't know what to do.

945
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 5: How do I tell somebody like I'm the snowman and

946
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 5: this little guy over here with a bow tie every day.

947
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 6: I Mean, it's frustrating because this should be some sort

948
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 6: of educational workshop for new artists that come into the game.

949
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 6: There's so many people that don't know anything about the

950
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 6: music business. And a lot of times these guys, they

951
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 6: some of these guys don't finish high school and they,

952
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, they get into the game and they just

953
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 6: think the money's going to come in forever. But think about,

954
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 6: like if it comes at all, right, but think about

955
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 6: ten years ago. Who was here ten years ago then

956
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 6: and it's not here now, you know what I'm saying.

957
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 6: Or even twenty years ago like a mill like and

958
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 6: that's not a fact. That was twenty years ago. Yeah,

959
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 6: you know, and she was a talented artist, but she's

960
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: not here no more. Like I'm not saying that I

961
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 6: don't think I want to be here, you know, past

962
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 6: another ten years. But what I'm saying is, utilize this

963
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 6: time to ask questions. There's nothing wrong with asking questions.

964
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 6: I feel like sometimes we're just so prideful. There's certain

965
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 6: things that we just don't want to know or we're

966
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 6: too afraid to ask, you know what I mean. And

967
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 6: for me, I asked questions. I'm always curious as to

968
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 6: know why a certain person popped, or how a certain

969
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 6: person got hot, or how they got hot in their town,

970
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: what did they do to get to that next level.

971
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: I absorbed this information so I can take it. I

972
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 6: mentor like about ten or fifteen kids, you know what

973
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 6: I'm saying, young artists, because I feel like that wasn't

974
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 6: given to me, so I should give it back, you

975
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 6: know what I mean. And it's imperative that these kids

976
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 6: know these things because this this is our future.

977
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: That's a fact.

978
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: So that's a perfect sebuay into our last seven, we're

979
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: gonna talk about the independent game, what you got going

980
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: on now? And yeah, educate people want to be talking

981
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: about the major side, we're gonna talk about the Yeah,

982
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 4: all right, So in the last seven, we're going to

983
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: talk about the journey, your journey as an independent artist.

984
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 4: This is something I think is extremely valuable because, as

985
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: I said, there's a lot more independent artists out there,

986
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: especially now, millions of than are major label artists. So,

987
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: all right, how does it work being an independent artist?

988
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: Right?

989
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: As far as is it is it you fund the

990
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: stuff yourself or is it that they funded a hybrid approach?

991
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 3: Like, how does that work to be an independent artist?

992
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 6: I mean, there's different ways to be an independent artist.

993
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: The best way to just kind of explain is tell

994
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 6: my story real quick. I mean, after leaving the label

995
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve, at the beginning of twenty thirteen, I

996
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 6: had ninety thousand dollars in the bank, and then at

997
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 6: the end of twenty thirteen, I had four dollars and

998
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: fourteen cents in my bank. Account. I made a song

999
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 6: about it's called four fourteen.

1000
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1001
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: I say remember yeah, because I remember looking at the

1002
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 6: bank statement like this is that's unbelievable, and that I

1003
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: think my back was against the wall because, like we

1004
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: said earlier, I didn't have any job experience from twenty thirteen,

1005
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 6: well from twenty seven to twenty thirteen, so I'm looking

1006
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 6: at six years of just not working, just doing music.

1007
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 6: So I panicked. I tried to get a job. It

1008
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 6: didn't work, so I was like, okay, I have to

1009
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 6: be an artist. Even though I quit, I was like,

1010
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 6: I'm not doing this anymore. And then I was like, oh,

1011
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 6: I gotta pay rent. So from that point I had

1012
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 6: to kind of figure out and navigate what my supporters

1013
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 6: we're going to buy from me as a as a consumer.

1014
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 6: So I realized that they appreciate my lyrics, they appreciate

1015
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 6: my honesty, they appreciate merchandise, they appreciate seeing me. So

1016
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 6: I had to create this whole. I had to basically

1017
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 6: start all over again, and but I started all over

1018
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 6: again with a cushion because I had a fan base,

1019
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 6: so I had to make merch I spent all the

1020
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 6: money myself. I funded everything myself with a little bit

1021
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 6: of money that I had. You know, I was working

1022
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 6: with new artists, you know, doing features and taking that

1023
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 6: money and reinvesting it to be able to sustain a living.

1024
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 6: And so now I'm in a position where it is

1025
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 6: a hybrid situation where I fund some of it and

1026
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 6: then I have soul Spasm funding some of it as well.

1027
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 6: So it's a partnership would come together and then you know,

1028
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 6: we split the costs down the middle.

1029
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 4: Okay, so how is it as far as like, do

1030
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: they distribute your music as well?

1031
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 6: Yes, they distribute all my music on all streaming platforms

1032
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 6: and they handle that side of it, so I'm able

1033
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 6: to give them my whole catalog. They take a percentage

1034
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 6: off of that catalog, and I get a check every month.

1035
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: So everything you did prior to coming to the independently though,

1036
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: you have.

1037
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 6: I own? Yeah, I own everything, Yeah, even from the label,

1038
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 6: because again I didn't sign a three sixty deal and

1039
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 6: I was in the black. I was not in the red.

1040
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: So all right, So as far as like press, do

1041
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: you do you handle that yourself or is that you

1042
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: get help with that?

1043
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 6: I handled my press myself. I mean, on my last project,

1044
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 6: we hired a publishers to do the work, and he

1045
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 6: got me on you know, some some online sites and

1046
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 6: some playlists on some streaming sites, and you know some

1047
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 6: radio on serious satellite and things like that. So that

1048
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 6: stuff always helps. But for the most part, a lot

1049
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 6: of it is relationships, having your own relationships, building your

1050
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 6: own relationships, so like I can hit Sway from Swaying

1051
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 6: the morning on my own and be like I want

1052
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 6: to come up there, or just even how I'm up here,

1053
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 6: Like I hit Rashard myself and was like, yo, I

1054
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 6: want to come up here.

1055
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, how about Tory, I know you mentioned

1056
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 5: you had a booking agent. That's still true or do

1057
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: you handle that now yourself?

1058
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 6: Yeah? I handle all my booking now. I mean I

1059
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 6: had an agent last earlier this year, but it just

1060
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 6: didn't work out the way I wanted it to work out,

1061
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 6: and even previously I had agents before. But you know,

1062
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 6: I have a baby on the way, I have a

1063
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 6: wife at home, so if they're not booking me the shows,

1064
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 6: I have to book my shows myself, okay. And I

1065
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 6: hired promoters to you know, get the people in there.

1066
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 6: Along with promoting on my own and making it happen.

1067
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: And you know, running a van on my.

1068
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: Own, you know you're putting the money up yourself.

1069
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I put it up the money myself.

1070
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: So all right the road.

1071
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: So you talk about streaming, how much do you get

1072
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 4: paid for stream Like what's that breakdown? Because I've seen

1073
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 4: a bunch of different numbers on the internet, like a quarter,

1074
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 4: a fraction of a penny for every stream? Is there

1075
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 4: a set number that everybody gets for streaming?

1076
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 6: Or yes, everybody gets the same set number. It's like

1077
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 6: zero point point point point. No, it's point it's zero

1078
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 6: point zero zero zero six. And then the numbers is

1079
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: like pi three point four world, you know what I'm saying.

1080
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: But it's basically zero point zero zero zero six. And

1081
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 6: then you have to make you have to stream so

1082
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 6: much in order to see like a decent jack.

1083
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: What's the what's the one that you get paid for

1084
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: the most? Like streaming service?

1085
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 3: Is it title?

1086
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 5: They say?

1087
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 6: Title is the is the morning the most? You get

1088
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 6: paid the most from title? But you still need all

1089
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 6: all streaming sites in order to get a decent jack.

1090
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 6: You can't just put on title. So for instance, like

1091
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 6: what my when my pay she comes in every month?

1092
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 6: You know, it's not just title. It's title, it's Spotify,

1093
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 6: it's Pandora, it's Apple Music, it's iTunes when people purchase

1094
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 6: the music, which is always the best because you keep

1095
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 6: eighty percent of the money. So if it's ninety nine cents,

1096
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 6: you keep eighty cents of that. Apple takes twenty cents. Okay,

1097
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 6: so that's that's the best. And then YouTube as well,

1098
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 6: and Vimeo and TikTok. Now, so combine these seven to

1099
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 6: eight companies and you should receive a decent check a

1100
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 6: decent check.

1101
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 5: How do you make it to those curated playlists because

1102
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 5: like I'm not just saying, I'm thinking, like songs just

1103
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 5: pop in there. Like once I download a certain playlist,

1104
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 5: if a new artist comes in it just do you

1105
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 5: have to pay for that? As there's somebody at the

1106
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 5: streaming service that actually just says, oh, I like that song,

1107
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 5: we're putting that in there.

1108
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes it's the labels that own the playlist.

1109
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 6: Sometimes if you're very cool with the people that run

1110
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 6: the playlist, you can get lucky. Or if you're a

1111
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 6: very popular artist and the song is very popular, they'll

1112
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: the person who runs the playlist will put that song

1113
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 6: on the playlist, but you know, the labels figured it out,

1114
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 6: so they kind of have control of everything.

1115
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 4: Again, So like, are your payments coordinated through like all

1116
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 4: seven that come to you streamlined at one time? Yes,

1117
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: from and that's from the label that puts it on. Yes,

1118
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: Then they cut the check, then they take a percentage

1119
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: out of that, and then they putting all right, So

1120
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 4: it's like CD baby or something like that, right, or

1121
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: toon Core.

1122
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 6: Or toon Core right. But sol Spasm is my distribution,

1123
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 6: so and I guess my checks would be different from

1124
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 6: another person's checks because I have sixteen to seventeen projects,

1125
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 6: so I'm like steps ahead of someone who might only

1126
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 6: have two or three projects. You have leverage, so like

1127
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 6: I'm getting a substantial amount of money every single month.

1128
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 5: That's mixtapes and albums can combined.

1129
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: But the mixtapes all right, so let's talk about mixtapes

1130
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: mixtape that's how does that work?

1131
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: Same same thing? Could you put mixtapes on streaming services too?

1132
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 6: Right now people are putting them on there, but before

1133
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 6: it was the cool But I think you can put

1134
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 6: them on there now, but it's still it's still like.

1135
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 5: What's the difference, Like, like I know Drake put out

1136
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 5: a playlist, then there was there's mixtapes.

1137
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: And there's albums. He just came out with his first album,

1138
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 4: but he has like six projects. What's the differences.

1139
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 5: It's not like.

1140
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 6: The marketing rollout from the label. Okay, that's the only

1141
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 6: thing different. Because he was on he's on Massive Pill

1142
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: Deaf Jam, I believe. So massa Pill was handling the

1143
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 6: mixtapes and they were putting that stuff out, so he

1144
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 6: was probably getting financed by mass A Pill. They were,

1145
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 6: they were handling that. But then this big project is

1146
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 6: a death Cham thing, so like deaf Cham is now

1147
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 6: handling the rollout. They're probably taking that budget from when

1148
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 6: he first signed four years ago or whatever, and now

1149
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 6: they're using that money to push this project. Like how

1150
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 6: it is, you know, that's how it works essentially.

1151
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 5: How about endorsements that I know you said that you

1152
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 5: have one with a Sports and Puma and of course.

1153
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: Yeah you got the before Yeah, I mean a lot

1154
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 6: of that stuff was before I had did my record deal.

1155
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 6: So they just were interested in the brand they built.

1156
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 6: They bought into who I was, what I represented. They

1157
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 6: saw that, you know, this kid is an image that

1158
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 6: can be pushed out there without being too flashy. That

1159
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 6: was one of the reasons why Honda chose me, because

1160
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 6: I was not flashy. I didn't have a big chain on.

1161
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: I didn't have the crazy jewels on. I didn't come

1162
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 6: in there and talking crazy. I was an intellectual. I

1163
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 6: was an everyday person. What is a Honda Hondas for

1164
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 6: everyday person? You know what I'm saying. It's a great

1165
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 6: card at lasts, So you know that money was from them,

1166
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 6: and then Puma. You know, I worked with Puma for

1167
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 6: a little while for like two years. They gave me

1168
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 6: product that would wear the product and get that stuff

1169
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: seen all over because I was a sneak ahead. I'm

1170
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 6: still a big sneak ahead. And then you know I

1171
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 6: also did UH. I also did EA Sports. I was

1172
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 6: very cool with the music supervisor with the Rafa Lean

1173
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 6: shot out to her and we kind of just continuously

1174
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 6: worked for like five years. I was on like every

1175
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 6: EA game you could potentially think of, except for Madden.

1176
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 6: Like I was on like hockey. I was a need

1177
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 6: for speed. I was on FIFA No, no, not FIFA

1178
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 6: part of me. I was on the sims like I

1179
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 6: have a.

1180
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: Sim so you get royalty checks from the game the person.

1181
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 6: And now you don't get royalty checks, you just get

1182
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 6: up front show. But the commercial you got royalty checks. Yes,

1183
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 6: I got as long as the commercial played. Yes, the commercial.

1184
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 6: That commercial ran for about four or five years, and

1185
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 6: I was getting checks every day for four or five years,

1186
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 6: no part of four five months, four five months, and

1187
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 6: I was getting I was getting checks every single day,

1188
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 6: every day.

1189
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 4: So they calculate like how many times it aired, and

1190
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: then they send you a percentage of that.

1191
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, on top of my music being in it,

1192
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 6: and on top of me acting in it. Like it

1193
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 6: was like three separate.

1194
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 5: Checks, music check, acting check, and then a residual check.

1195
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 5: A lot of checks.

1196
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 6: It was a lot of checks. There's a lot of

1197
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 6: checks me, all right.

1198
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 4: So if I'm a kid that just loves music, I'm recording,

1199
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: can you give me some advice, Like what's the first steps?

1200
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 4: I don't have a major break record deal, but I

1201
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: want to get my music out there?

1202
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: What do What do I do?

1203
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 6: First steps is to build a team. It's like a

1204
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 6: pyramid scheme. You know that I used to sell Kirby

1205
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 6: vacuums back in the day. You know what I'm saying.

1206
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 6: And even like the Cutcold Knives, and it was I

1207
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 6: want to say, you're selling Eastna, But you know, I

1208
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 6: would have to go into these wild areas to sell

1209
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 6: these things. And whenever we would come back to base,

1210
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 6: they will always say to me, you need to go

1211
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 6: to your friends parents' homes, and you need to go

1212
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 6: to their friends parents' homes. And that's how it needs

1213
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 6: to happen. So I would tell a kid start, start

1214
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 6: a team. Start a team of five to six people,

1215
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 6: and everybody has to have a specific amount of network

1216
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 6: where they, you know, pushing your music consistently and constantly

1217
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 6: to different people, and it has to be music has

1218
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 6: to be hot, and they have to concentrate not on

1219
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 6: the numbers. You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel

1220
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 6: like we're in the era of it's just so much

1221
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 6: clout and how many likes you have and how many

1222
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 6: views you have and this, and that they are artists

1223
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 6: that have more followers than me on Instagram, they have

1224
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 6: more views than me on Instagram, more likes, and they're

1225
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: broke and they don't know what to do with their career.

1226
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 6: They're in a rut. And I know artists that have

1227
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 6: less followers than me, that are doing better than me

1228
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 6: when it comes to moving and shaking and getting this

1229
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 6: stuff out there. So it's all about focusing on exactly

1230
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 6: what your goals are. Have people that are knowledgeable in

1231
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 6: your corner as well as having people that have the

1232
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 6: same goals and beliefs that you have. And spread this

1233
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 6: word out to every and anybody that has ears that

1234
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 6: want to hear it, and just create. Create, create content

1235
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 6: that people feel as valuable. You know, if you're not

1236
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 6: creating the content that people feel as valuable, then you can,

1237
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 6: you know, be a mechanic or something.

1238
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: You know what I How stressful is it? How stressful

1239
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: is it to be a to be an artist?

1240
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: That's another thing I don't think people fully understand, Like

1241
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: it's not it's not easy profession, And yeah, how stressful

1242
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 4: is it?

1243
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 6: I work twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

1244
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 6: Sometimes my wife is angry at me because I'm always working,

1245
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 6: But that's what it takes. I feel like if, like

1246
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 6: you said, some artists do get hot and then they

1247
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 6: stay hot for like two three years, and then that's it.

1248
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 6: You don't hear from them no more, you know what

1249
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 6: I mean. I'm one of those guys that's been out

1250
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 6: for eleven years now, I'm living off of music. I

1251
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 6: make six figures a year just independently, you know what

1252
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 6: I'm saying. And I know what a little bit more backing,

1253
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: I could crack seven figures easily because I know exactly

1254
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 6: what to do. I know how to do it. I

1255
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 6: know how to maneuver. But a lot of guys they don't.

1256
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 6: Sometimes they just don't want to hear. I feel like

1257
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 6: sometimes they just don't want to hear these these things.

1258
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Artists don't want to hear work, work, work,

1259
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 6: work work. They just want to get to the bag.

1260
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 6: It's all about the fast money.

1261
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 5: Fast money don't last too long. You gotta chase it.

1262
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 6: Fast money don't last money. That's a good quote, you

1263
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. It just doesn't. You have to.

1264
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 6: You have to diversify, like I don't. I don't just

1265
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 6: rap either, you know what I'm saying. Like I try

1266
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 6: to make investments on certain things, like you know, trying

1267
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 6: to buy home. You know what I'm saying. Looking, I

1268
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 6: was just telling a man off camera, I'm trying to

1269
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 6: get a tesla because it doesn't depreciate. It appreciates in value.

1270
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 6: Also just investing in different companies. Like there's a company

1271
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 6: that's doing marijuana, cannabis stuff, but it's from the health

1272
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 6: side of it. So it's called Glenn Mayor Farms. You know,

1273
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 6: they are a farming agency that's using the medicinal portion

1274
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 6: of the cannabis, you know, legally and getting it out

1275
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 6: there legally. Because we all know marijuana is just on

1276
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 6: the verge of being you know, legalized. I feel like

1277
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 6: that's something that you know, as black people, you know,

1278
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 6: we're not you know, we're we're drug heads. We're always smoking, smoking, smoking,

1279
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 6: We're always putting into it instead of reinvesting into it

1280
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 6: into the medicinal aspect of it, which is the legal

1281
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 6: portion of it and the legal side of it where

1282
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 6: you can invest in making money back on it. You

1283
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, It's gonna be a lot of

1284
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 6: billionaires made if they make the right you know, decisions

1285
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 6: and choices. So, you know, I'm always looking at what's

1286
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 6: the next thing is going to happen. Virtual reality, That's

1287
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 6: another thing that is on the cusp of the gaming industry.

1288
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 6: It's just you have to find the right one, you know.

1289
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: I think virtual reality is gonna be big. We haven't

1290
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 4: spoken about that yet, but I think that virtual reality

1291
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 4: is gonna be huge, especially in sports.

1292
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's going to be I think they tried

1293
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 5: that this year with the NBA Lead Pass, where you

1294
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 5: get the virtual reality and you could sit courtside.

1295
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 3: It's perfect.

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Speaker 4: You think about it, It's like, am I going to

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01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 4: pay ten thousand dollars that only one percent of America has.

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01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: To watch Lebron? Or will I pay one hundred dollars? Yeah,

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01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: it's not bad.

1300
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Speaker 4: And to feel like I'm literally right there, especially sports

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 4: like boxing basketball, you can't that court side feel means

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Speaker 4: a lot.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that look is a lot, That's what I said.

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 5: But that's one of those sports where it makes sense

1305
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 5: to do it. Like some sports are not great being

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 5: viewed live. Right, If I go to a football game

1307
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 5: and I'm sitting in the upper deck, I have no

1308
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 5: idea what's happening down there. I just know that something stopped. Right.

1309
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: It's not like when you're on TV and you can

1310
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 5: actually hear the refo that was the call. Oh, we

1311
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 5: can see the instant replay. Some things just aren't made

1312
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 5: for consumption, that's true.

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01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: No, this is well. I think they're going to do

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Speaker 3: a combination of both though.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. If you get the

1316
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 5: virtual reality now you can see it, but you.

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: Can hear a commentators talk about it too.

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why you hear about the games with the

1319
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 5: headphones on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna get to that level.

1321
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 6: I just feel like you can't just want to just

1322
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 6: do music and that's it. It's it has to be more.

1323
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 6: It has to get into acting a little bit, get

1324
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 6: into creating a merchandise, you know, make something that people

1325
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 6: don't you know, or won't create, you know, like be creative.

1326
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 6: I feel like these are the things that you know,

1327
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 6: artists need to kind of take back, not just their

1328
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 6: ownership and their music, but the ownership and their imagination.

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Speaker 5: We just said. I just it's funny you just said

1330
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 5: the word artists because hey, Buggy he said next project

1331
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: is last one because he wants to focus on things

1332
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 5: outside of music and this is the time now while

1333
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 5: he's hot. I had a quick question. You said you

1334
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 5: were trying to get a job right before, Like what what.

1335
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 6: Were you gonna try anything? Trying to do anything anything

1336
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 6: anything at that time I was desperate and there was

1337
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 6: nothing for me. There was literally nothing for me. And

1338
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 6: you know, I had shows lined up, but I had

1339
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 6: to wait to get the second half from those shows

1340
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 6: to even you know, make some money. So I had

1341
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 6: to kind of I had to thug it out, you know.

1342
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 6: I was trying. I was trying to work at I

1343
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: was too overqualified for burger king and underqualified to work

1344
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 6: in the office again. So I was just like, I got.

1345
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 5: To do music.

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01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: How does that work? I'm glad you said that.

1347
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 4: When everybody talks about like getting paid on the back

1348
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: end for the shows, you get paid up front fifty

1349
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 4: and then after you perform you get the fifty percent.

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01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 6: That's usually that standard, Yeah, standard right after you perform.

1351
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 6: Sometimes before you get on stage, sometimes after depends that.

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 4: I've heard like artists not get on stage because they

1353
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 4: the promoters have money.

1354
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 6: Sometimes the promoters do pay for play, so you know,

1355
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 6: they'll charge, you know, artists to sell tickets before the

1356
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 6: main act gets on so they can make the rest

1357
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 6: of the money to pay the headliner.

1358
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: Have you had bad experience promoters before?

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 6: Not a lot, but I've had some. I've had some

1360
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 6: bad experience. I mean, the best the best shows that

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 6: I've had was corporate shows because you're gonna.

1362
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 5: Get paid corporate money.

1363
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 6: Corporate you that money is guarantee. You can go on

1364
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 6: stage without getting paid and you you know you're gonna

1365
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 6: get paid eventually, like or you'll sue. So those are

1366
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 6: the probably the best shows. You know, there's contracts put

1367
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 6: in place where you have to sign a contract music agreement,

1368
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 6: performing agreement with a buyer talent buyer that you will

1369
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 6: get paid before the night is over or at the

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 6: end of the night when you settle up, depending if

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 6: you did a door deal or depending on if you

1372
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 6: get a guarantee.

1373
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: Some you ask your music question before we wrap it up.

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 4: You work with a lot of artists, like I said,

1375
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 4: from Drake to Justin temple A to Andrew Kendrick and

1376
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 4: then underground artists as well and mainstream are everybody.

1377
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: You work with a lot of different people, right Who

1378
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: who was.

1379
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 4: The most enjoyable for you to work with as far

1380
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 4: as like the talent level? Like who did because like

1381
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: I used to play ball, so like sometimes I played

1382
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 4: backble somebody I know, like there's special like I played

1383
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 4: like Mike Beasley went to school with me and I

1384
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 4: knew he was younger than me, but I knew like

1385
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 4: he was special.

1386
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: I knew he's gonna make it to the league. I

1387
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 3: just knew he was special.

1388
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: Did you ever have that type of vibe with anybody

1389
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 4: like that you worked with, Like this dude is different.

1390
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's a lot. I can be here

1391
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 6: all day. I mean I remember when I got Drake's

1392
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 6: verse back for Overdose on Life. We were talking about

1393
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 6: that earlier and I was just like, Yo, this guy

1394
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 6: is fucking dope.

1395
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 4: Did you see it happening like people saying Drake is

1396
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 4: the best rapper ever?

1397
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: Did you ever imagine he can be put in that category?

1398
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 6: No, not the best rapper ever. It was more like

1399
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 6: it was more like, this guy's light skinned, he's marketable,

1400
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 6: and he could rap really well. This is before he

1401
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 6: was singing really and I was just like, Yo, this

1402
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 6: dude is dope. He got a knack for choruses and everything.

1403
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 6: And then like after we did that record, he kind

1404
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 6: of he kind of just ran into not ran into,

1405
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 6: but I remember when he hit me like yo, like

1406
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 6: I'm meeting Wayne tonight. I'm about to meet Little Wayne,

1407
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 6: and that that changed it all and I was like

1408
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 6: that's crazy, bro, keep grinding. But that experience was just

1409
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 6: dope because you know, he was a he was an

1410
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 6: unknown artist. He was nobody really knew who he was

1411
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 6: when I put him on the record, Like it was

1412
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 6: a big deal for him to be on that record.

1413
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 6: Styles p was that was that was an amazing session

1414
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 6: where like he was doing features for other artists that

1415
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 6: came in the in that day, like and like the

1416
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 6: whole locks was there.

1417
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: And he doesn't write rhymes, right, that's true.

1418
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 6: That's true. He didn't write his rhymes. He so I

1419
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 6: was like, I was like, yo, like I want to

1420
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 6: do this record, bro, And he was like, I, how

1421
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 6: do you want to do it? I was like, I

1422
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 6: want to do uh five eight bar versus. And he

1423
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,440
Speaker 6: knew with my talent level was so he kicked everybody

1424
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 6: out the studio.

1425
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: He's used to that, going back and forth with Kiss Yeah.

1426
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, but he it was the fact that

1427
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 6: he kicked everybody out, Like why do you kick everybody out?

1428
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 6: Because it was just too crazy, Like everybody got go

1429
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 6: it's me and you know, but he stayed with other

1430
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 6: artists when they did their records, other artists were still there.

1431
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 6: Everybody had to go when it was me and him

1432
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 6: and we just we just did that record. That JOm

1433
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 6: was wild, you know what I'm saying. For Legends, you

1434
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 6: know Royce. Royce was a dope session. I asked him,

1435
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 6: asked him to send me like twenty four bars. He

1436
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 6: sent me back like thirty two forty bars. It was

1437
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 6: just like, all right, you want to kill me your

1438
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 6: my own record happened?

1439
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 5: Well, you got a verse back of me like, damn,

1440
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 5: I gotta go rewrite.

1441
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 6: I don't rewrite my verses. I try to rewrite them.

1442
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 5: But you ever felt like, yo, did he bothered me on? Yeah?

1443
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, but I let it. I let it rock.

1444
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 6: I let it rock. Yeah, shout out, you know what

1445
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 6: I'm saying. And lastly, John Legend. I mean when I

1446
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 6: worked with John Legend, he was on tour with Shad

1447
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 6: day Man and he and he it was an overseas

1448
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 6: tour and he came off tour when he had his

1449
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 6: day off in New York and we went in the

1450
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 6: studio and made our record and then I asked him

1451
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 6: can you do some stuff over? And he was like sure.

1452
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 6: Like he was the nicest artist ever, you know, that

1453
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 6: was a super intelligent dude. Oh I love John. John's

1454
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 6: is a good dude man. I appreciate it, just him

1455
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 6: taking that time out to work with me, you know,

1456
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,799
Speaker 6: in that facility and capacity, you know what I mean.

1457
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 4: Pow make you appreciate you coming telling people I know

1458
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 4: you on tour right.

1459
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I got a tour coming up. It's called

1460
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 6: the Fan Tour. It starts November twenty ninth and the

1461
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 6: ends December twelfth. We're doing Boston, New York, Philly, Baltimore, Virginia,

1462
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 6: North Carolina, Atlanta. You know, hopefully we'll put up the

1463
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 6: fly here so you guys could check it out. And

1464
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 6: you know, just come check me out mickey fax dot

1465
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 6: com if if you see some merch that you like,

1466
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 6: or is there's some music that you uh yeah, he

1467
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 6: got the Enigma button on everybody hang, I got them

1468
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 6: a button. And you know, if if there's merch, you know, hoodies, shirts, hats,

1469
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 6: thumb drives, what else we got on there. There's a

1470
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 6: lot of stuff on there. You can go there and

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01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 6: cop and also, you know, hit me up on Twitter,

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 6: Twitter dot com, forward Slash, Mickey Fact, hit me up

1473
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 6: on Instagram, Mickey dot Fax, m I C K E.

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 6: Y the period F A, C, t Z, D M ME.

1475
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 6: I talked to every single person that reaches out to me.

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 6: I feel like, if you have you take the time

1477
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 6: out to talk to me, I will definitely take the

1478
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 6: time out to respond to you. I think that's the

1479
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 6: polite thing to do. Except for spam. I don't talk

1480
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 6: to spam, but you know, just reach out to me

1481
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 6: if you feel like there's a question you might have.

1482
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 6: You know, feel free reach out because I feel like

1483
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 6: holding on to information is not the way to get

1484
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 6: information out.

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, bro, Thank you choice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Shot out everybody on patreon dot com. Y'all know

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 5: that's all proud to pay program as five tiers. We

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 5: are at over one hundred patrons, man, so shout out

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 5: to everybody that is joining. Like we said E y

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Speaker 5: L University for our top tier four and five members,

1491
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 5: you're going to be getting access to our webinars. So

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01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 5: make sure that y'all go and check your messages so

1493
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 5: you can have access to the links. Every Wednesday at

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Speaker 5: eight uh and U y L we actually put out

1495
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 5: some new merch man so we got the fire Bloody

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Speaker 5: season is in effect. Every every time we come on.

1497
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 5: We're putting out new merch so the hats will be out.

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 5: Hopefully we get some gloves out there. Man, we were

1499
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 5: preparing for the winter, even though we don't like beings.

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Speaker 5: Is gonna be theres So shout to everybody that's been

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01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: supporting the merch man. We got some new stuff on

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Speaker 5: the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: And then once again don't forget December seventh and December eighth,

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Speaker 4: we coming to d C. We're doing the workshop from

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Speaker 4: Overahoma Elite and Wall Street Trap on the seventh, and

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Speaker 4: then we got our very first live podcast and then

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Speaker 4: the Wizards Clippers game after that, following after that, all

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Speaker 4: of the information is on legia dot com on the

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Speaker 4: events tab. You can loudstream a workshop if you're not

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Speaker 4: damn person. E y l University we have classes every

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Speaker 4: single day. We have a class pretty much. Matt teaches

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Speaker 4: a class on every Monday, on real Estate Wednesday, the

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Speaker 4: class is different. Me and Troy are gonna do classes

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Speaker 4: on Friday. And then starting in January, we're gonna launch

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Speaker 4: e Yoo every Thursday. Financial in Spanish Latino.

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Speaker 3: Support this.

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Speaker 4: Sure and the book tip of this week is the

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Speaker 4: autobiography of Johnny Cochrane recommended.

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Speaker 3: I guess Mickey, great book.

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Speaker 5: Great book.

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Speaker 6: I promise you really really really good.

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Speaker 4: Johnny cockin people don't understand how you know what the

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Speaker 4: thing about Johnny everybody knows him for the oj trial, right, Yep.

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Speaker 4: He was a high powered lawyer way before. That's exactly

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Speaker 4: because that was the dream team. But he was the head.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people somewhat like some of the lawyers

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Speaker 4: felt the way because this is Lloyd, like Johnny Cockrow Shapiro,

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Speaker 4: like these dudes Alan Dershuis. They was high powered lawyers. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Johnny Cochran and he's the quarterback. A lot of a

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Speaker 4: lot of them felt the way about that. And he

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Speaker 4: was working on Geronimo Pratt's case when he died. A

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Speaker 4: lot of people don't know that either. Geronimo Pratt, legendary

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Speaker 4: black panther leader who was incarcerated Mike Jack.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So he did a lot of social change before

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Speaker 6: the old j case. He did a lot of pro

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Speaker 6: bono work because he was also he was also a

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Speaker 6: DA but he did a lot for South central l

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Speaker 6: a man like because he was in the thick of

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Speaker 6: the racial uprising there. So I implore all black people, please,

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Speaker 6: people of color. Please read the autobiography of Johnny Conchran.

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Speaker 6: That was an incredible book.

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